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Slashdot's Disagree Mail

samzenpus posted more than 5 years ago | from the well-here's-your-problem dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 202

Slashdot has one of the best discussion systems there is. It's grown and adapted over the years to meet various challenges and suit the needs of our users. A lot of time and effort has gone into it and we are always open to user input to help make it better. Some of our best ideas start as user suggestions and we appreciate the feedback. Of course they can't all be gems and sometimes the suggestions we get are unworkable or just bizarre. Here are a few of my favorite unhelpful, helpful suggestions.

On Wed Sept 6, 2006 ********* wrote:
"I can't help but notice the huge amount of trolls posting comments the past few days. I know you guys work hard to keep them down but it's a losing battle. You should make people post comments in groups to get rid of the trolls. Everyone would have a "comment buddy" that has to agree that your comment is worth posting. You could make it part of the preview process. This way trolls wouldn't be able to post because nobody else would mark their comment as worth posting. Maybe if two trolls got together they would be able to defeat the "buddy" process but that seems unlikely to me as I don't think they work in groups do they? Maybe this isn't as good an idea as I think for working against large groups but it might work for lone trolls."

I love the idea of a comment buddy. It reminds me of "Posture Pals" from the famous MST3K short. The next mail comes from a lady who doesn't mind clicking on things, in fact she loves it. If she had her way, everyone would have carpal tunnel syndrome.

On Mon May 7, 2007 ******* wrote
"Instead of a confusing bunch of numbers and some adjectives that don't mean anything why not just have a list of everyone who has posted a comment that a user can go through. That way you could click on a name and then click on their comments until you decided if you liked what they had to say. You could then click on them again and click on a ACCEPT COMMENTS link. Then you could click on them again and let them know that you like what they write so they will probably like what you write. That way it would save some clicking. After a bit you will have clicked on enough people that you could see a dozen or so comments in a story because you can't read much more than that anywy. You'd just have to click on a dozen people for a dozen or so stories and you will have your own little community with only the people who were worth clicking on. Just a thought."

Finally we have someone who thinks speech should cost something. In this case, a nominal fee on an upsliding scale.

On Fri Jan 5, 2007 ******* wrote:
"I have a suggestion to help solve the flame problem you seem to have here. It's simple and will make you enough money that you can get rid of ads. You charge 1 cent for the first 2 comments in a day 3-10 comments cost 5 cents and anything over 10 comments cost 25 cents (nobody but flamers post more than 10 times in a day). People would probably complain at first but they'd get used to it just like I'm sure people complained about stamps but accept it now. I don't think people would be willing to flame if it cost a couple $. keep up the good work."

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202 comments

For the Non-Mysties (4, Funny)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330145)

"I love the idea of a comment buddy. It reminds me of "Posture Pals" from the famous MST3K short. The next mail comes from a lady who doesn't mind clicking on things, in fact she loves it. If she had her way, everyone would have carpal tunnel syndrome."

"Ms. Martin! Tommy drew a bong! [youtube.com] "

Non-Obvious & Novel? (5, Funny)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330165)

"Instead of a confusing bunch of numbers and some adjectives that don't mean anything why not just have a list of everyone who has posted a comment that a user can go through. That way you could click on a name and then click on their comments until you decided if you liked what they had to say. You could then click on them again and click on a ACCEPT COMMENTS link. Then you could click on them again and let them know that you like what they write so they will probably like what you write. That way it would save some clicking. After a bit you will have clicked on enough people that you could see a dozen or so comments in a story because you can't read much more than that anywy. You'd just have to click on a dozen people for a dozen or so stories and you will have your own little community with only the people who were worth clicking on. Just a thought."

Has she approached Amazon with a draft for a 9-click patent?

Re:Non-Obvious & Novel? (1)

SleptThroughClass (1127287) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330617)

Part of what she described is already in the /. Relationship system.

And for this comment I'm getting a narrow window which is about 24 characters wide. Maybe that's another way to limit comments, although it was not in the above suggestions.

Re:Non-Obvious & Novel? (2, Insightful)

jeepee (607566) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330641)

What i find funny about that suggestion... is if
you dont browse all the thread only your
favorites posters how can you add your favorites
posters in the first place ?

UID (5, Funny)

mfh (56) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331099)

I suggest capping the comment abilities of posters with a UID over #56.

Re:UID (4, Funny)

abigor (540274) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331471)

No offense, but aren't you the guy who bought his Slashdot account on eBay or somewhere?

Re:UID (1)

mce (509) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331643)

That is easy to fix. Put the cap at 509 and exclude no. 56. The size of the remaining crowd would be about the same in both cases anyhow.

Re:Non-Obvious & Novel? (1)

malkavian (9512) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331627)

Hey, I though Slashdot was about growing a big, wide community.. So what say we put the cap at about 10k?

Please stop. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25330167)

Dear semenpus,

Please stop.

- slashdot


Tagged "semenpus"

costly words (5, Funny)

emart (1343753) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330197)

charging for comments??! that's one of the worst ideas i have heard in a while. i don't think this comment is worth a penny! and i bet a lot of people would agree with me!

Re:costly words (3, Insightful)

grub (11606) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330233)

The mod system is good enough, IMHO. It has enough 'mob mentality' that the end users can modify their settings enough to not see down-modded tripe.

The buddy system would bring a tyranny of the majority to slashdot.

Re:costly words (5, Funny)

spazdor (902907) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330357)

The buddy system would bring a tyranny of the majority to slashdot.
Agreed! The letter mentioned that trolls work alone, but...

Imagine the discord if suddenly all Slashdotters were required to have a friend!

Re:costly words (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25330573)

A "friend"? Oh, you mean a second email account? Or a sockpuppet? I think that means Twitter can be his own "comment buddy".

Re:costly words (5, Funny)

spazdor (902907) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330601)

Poppycock. Trolls never abuse multiple accounts.

Re:costly words (1)

Malevolyn (776946) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330709)

"I think that means Twitter can be his own 'comment buddy'."

So that's what they call it these days.

Re:costly words (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25330675)

The buddy system would bring a tyranny of the majority to slashdot

Well, I for one, welcome our new tyrannical groupthink overlords!

Re:costly words (5, Interesting)

DiegoBravo (324012) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330977)

I think you should be tired of suggestions about the mod system, but anyway....

About each six/twelve months I read a comment that compulsively deserves to be modded (and nobody cared.) I think you may provide anyone (or maybe anyone who ever cared to mod) with a single extra *persistent* and non-renewable mod point... call it your semestral "gold mod point", just for those cases of flagrant urgency. This also may avoid the redundant (and ubiquitous) sentence "If I had mod points!..."

Re:costly words (1)

smashin234 (555465) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331497)

Great idea IMO!!
And to top it off: Even More Irony today !! If I had mod points!....

But seriously, theres always that one comment for us all that we just simply wish we could mod up just once....

and now for even more irony, this comment would be +2 if only someone who liked me had that extra point.

Re: it wouldn't work (4, Funny)

danieltdp (1287734) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331555)

People will use the gold mod point on the first week and spend the rest of the semester posting "If I had my gold mod point..."

Re:costly words (1)

Tink2000 (524407) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331479)

The mod system is good enough, IMHO.

Speaking as someone who thinks the mod system is horribly broken (no mod points in over 5 years), your opinion is not only humble, it sucks.
IMO, of course.

Re:costly words (1)

grub (11606) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331633)

I went for years without mod points then they suddenly started rolling in. No idea what happened there.

Re:costly words (2, Funny)

Starteck81 (917280) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330795)

"Charging for comments??! that's one of the worst ideas i have heard in a while. i don't think this comment is worth a penny! and i bet a lot of people would agree with me!"

It could work, but that's just my two cents. ;-)

Crazy changes (0, Redundant)

Wamoc (1263324) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330205)

Maybe implement all these ideas. It would get rid of all extra random posts...

Re:Crazy changes (0, Redundant)

Malevolyn (776946) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330719)

I love how this is modded redundant.

Ditch under/overrated as mods (1, Insightful)

Reality Master 201 (578873) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330219)

Over- and underrated don't say anything about the post. Insightful means that the moderator finds it insightful, troll means they think it's a troll. Those are positive traits.

Over- and underrated aren't meaningful characteristics, so much as they are lameass cop outs. They often seem to get used by moderators on posts expressing controversial opinions. Instead of someone having the balls to call out something as being a troll or flamebait, they're just a way of sinking a rating without having to commit oneself.

Re:Ditch under/overrated as mods (2, Insightful)

ShadowRangerRIT (1301549) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330291)

Perhaps requiring those mods to actually apply to a previous mod would make sense? So you select "Overrated" and then choose to use it to cancel an "Insightful" mod? It is a bit weird that a post can be Overrated or Underrated if noone has actually rated it.

Re:Ditch under/overrated as mods (1)

Intron (870560) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330659)

mod parent underrated.

Re:Ditch under/overrated as mods (2, Interesting)

YttriumOxide (837412) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330305)

Rather than getting rid of "overrated" and "underrated", they should simply only apply to pre-existing mods. So, if a post has +2 Insightful (for example), it couldn't be modded "overrated" more than twice. That keeps the original purpose of these mods and limits their abuse somewhat. All mods can be abused of course, but I really do think it's less of a problem than a lot of people seem to make out.

Re:Ditch under/overrated as mods (4, Insightful)

apathy maybe (922212) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330309)

Over and under rated also don't affect a person's karma.

A person might think that a post is interesting, just not the current +5 interesting (and thus the overrated). Or, alternatively, they might think it is errm, interesting, but aren't willing to mod it interesting. Maybe underrated isn't needed.

Perhaps it could be made that overrated can not be used to push a post below 2 (or 1, depending on who you ask), which would mean that it can't push a post to oblivion, but a mod can still express the opinion that it isn't such a great post (though not a troll or flame).

Since when does Overrated not affect karma? (2, Interesting)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330725)

"Over and under rated also don't affect a person's karma."

Since when? Or do I just not see the effect of a modreasons change because I've had this account pegged at Excellent for years? (Slashdot has changed the modreasons from Slash's preset "slashcode/slash/plugins/Moderation/mysql_dump.sql"; for one thing, Funny differs.)

Re:Ditch under/overrated as mods (4, Informative)

nahdude812 (88157) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330791)

Maybe it's changed, but I know a while back there was a stink about the fact that +1 Funny doesn't affect karma, but -1 Overrated did; so if you posted something which was controversially funny, you could end up losing a lot of karma as you got repeated karma hits from the overrated's, and no bonuses from the funny's which were being down-modded.

If it's the way you describe, you could get a lot of bonus karma by posting an insightful yet controversial opinion (lots of +1's boosting your karma, and lots of -1 Overrated's raising the cap of how many +1's you can get).

Re:Ditch under/overrated as mods (1)

OglinTatas (710589) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331351)

how about, say, a +3/-3 karma cap per comment?
(+1 alliteration)

Re:Ditch under/overrated as mods (3, Informative)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330975)

"Over and under rated also don't affect a person's karma."

Nope. They do affect a person's karma. They don't get meta-modded either. That's why they get used. If someone has a vendetta against you because you said something mean about their favorite toy or their favorite superhero or whatever and they have mod points, they can mod you down by modding you overrated, but metamods can't "fix" it, because under and overrated are not subject to metamod. So, the person with the vendetta can hurt your karma, but no one can hurt theirs for moderation abuse.

Re:Ditch under/overrated as mods (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25330311)

Parent is modded down overrated

Re:Ditch under/overrated as mods (1)

SCPRedMage (838040) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330693)

Hey Bob, remember last week when you asked what the definition of "irony" was...?

Re:Ditch under/overrated as mods (1)

Skrapion (955066) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330679)

I'm pretty sure Slashdot discourages the use of over/underrated mods somewhere in their modding guidelines.

They are kind of weird mods, and I tend not to use them because it seems like it would make meta-moderating a mess. If something is modded +5 Insightful, and I think it only deserves a +4 Insightful, then I can mod it overrated. But once I do that, then it's no longer overrated, which makes my mod unjust!

I do wish there were antonyms for each mod. But then I'd probably end wasting all my mod points on "not funny".

Re:Ditch under/overrated as mods (1)

KGIII (973947) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331531)

I don't moderate but I do meta-mod quite a bit. I've never really felt that I'd be that good at it, just don't think I can be unbiased enough.

Re:Ditch under/overrated as mods (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25330699)

Over- and underrated don't say anything about the post. Insightful means that the moderator finds it insightful, troll means they think it's a troll. Those are positive traits.

Over- and underrated aren't meaningful characteristics, so much as they are lameass cop outs. They often seem to get used by moderators on posts expressing controversial opinions. Instead of someone having the balls to call out something as being a troll or flamebait, they're just a way of sinking a rating without having to commit oneself.

I think your comment is a perfect example of the need for the 'overrated' mod. It isn't trolling, or flamebait, it isn't redundant because nobody else has bothered and it is ontopic, but it's faintly wrong in a 'why did you bother typing all that out' kind of way, and somebody has promoted it.

Re:Ditch under/overrated as mods (1)

Reality Master 201 (578873) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331381)

Ok, how about "Dumb" or "Pointless"?

Those are affirmative statements.

Some suggestions that made it? (3, Insightful)

apathy maybe (922212) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330235)

The Firehose (and by extension, Index v2), came about from people saying that they wanted to vote down stories. But that's the only one I can think of, can you think of any others?

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As for paying to post, well that would rule me out. I don't even have a credit card (the two times I've tried to get one, the bank in each case refused, I think due to the lack of sufficient income on my part). Not to mention, I'm not about to hand over my details for a few cents a day. (And PayPal doesn't like me for some reason, something to do with my combination of NoScript, not accepting cookies and FireFox?)

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I don't even understand the second suggestion.

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And I just don't think the first suggestion could work. There are enough trolls who would vote each others posts up, even if they don't know each other. And of course, one person's flame is another's insightful post.

Re:Some suggestions that made it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25330367)

(the two times I've tried to get one, the bank in each case refused,...

Count yourself lucky.

Re:Some suggestions that made it? (1)

mangu (126918) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330381)

There are enough trolls who would vote each others posts up, even if they don't know each other

The troll group would quickly grow to be the largest group in /.
Or do you know of any other particular subject that draws so much interest from so many people here?

Re:Some suggestions that made it? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25330403)

I don't even understand the second suggestion.

I think what she wants is some system where you can mark people that you consider to be good commenters, that is to say they'd be your "friend". Then you can have some settings to change what types of posts you see, maybe call it something like showing posts by their "score". Then we could setup a system where you always adjust the scores of your friends' posts. Oh, wait...

Trolls do not work in groups (4, Funny)

77Punker (673758) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330241)

Clearly he has not heard of Something Awful. Yes, we^H^H they do work in groups.

Idea for improving Slashdot (5, Funny)

camperdave (969942) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330279)

Here's an idea. Make the
idle comment box wider. One
can barely type more than
half a sentence in it the
way it is set up now.

Re:Idea for improving Slashdot (2, Informative)

Warll (1211492) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330717)

Really? You sure that isn't only you? For me the comment box ends around--Filter error: Please use fewer 'junk' characters"---"Filter error: Please use fewer 'junk' characters"-------"Filter error: Please use fewer 'junk' characters"------------here

Heres a picture to prove it: http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/warll/Wide-eh.jpg [photobucket.com]

Re:Idea for improving Slashdot (1)

uberdave (526529) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331517)

It happens with
my other account
too. I think the
comment window is
even narrower in
IE7 than in firefox

So, three different browsers, two different usernames, and three different machines, with two different operating systems, all give me a narrow comment box.

Somehow I don't think it's just me.

Re:Idea for improving Slashdot (1)

WalksOnDirt (704461) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331539)

It's not just him. I get the small comment box too.

Re:Idea for improving Slashdot (-1, Redundant)

Skrapion (955066) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330771)

For me, the idle comment box spans the whole width.

Actually, I kind of wish the comments section was narrower. On my widescreen monitor I can write a whole paragraph in two lines or less.

another idea: anti-threadjacking (3, Funny)

OglinTatas (710589) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331151)

Amen on the comment box, bro.

One way to improve slashdot and reduce comment clutter would be to have a way for the reader to collapse entire threads which have drifted off topic, without changing the comment threshhold. Does anyone have a greasemonkey script that does this?

The best example I can think of where this would be necessary, are the articles about evolution, fossils and such related stuff. Early in the discussion the evolutionist, creationist, and intelligent design trolls post, stirring up a whole hornets nest of other trolls and genuinely earnest posters, all of which get modded to +5 insightful. Then you have pages of meaningless comments obscurring any real discussion.

If I could collapse entire threads when they veer off topic, I can then see the two or three comments which might have something meaningful to say.

In the meantime, I just skip those articles entirely because other articles go off topic, but nowhere nearly as badly.

Also, sorry for the offtopic/threadjack, Dave.

Re:another idea: anti-threadjacking (1)

Bullet-Dodger (630107) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331679)

You might want to try clicking on a comment's title. It does exactly what you suggest.

Re:Idea for improving Slashdot (1)

AioKits (1235070) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331173)

Your post needs commas, and lots of them. Having the regular voice read it back to me just isn't cutting it. I want to hear it from William Shatner!

4chan faggots (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25330285)

4chan faggots work in groups and have cancer-aids and they accidentally 400 MB of troll comments.

Good suggestion (2, Informative)

gzipped_tar (1151931) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330345)

I like the idea.
Just my 2c, literally.

re Comment Buddy (4, Funny)

Xelios (822510) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330379)

I think the correct term is accountabilibuddy.

NAKED and PETRIFIED (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25330383)

WE need MORE posts ABOUT people TURNED to STATUES or THINKING about BECOMING a ROBOT and HAVING sex WITH someone

Re:NAKED and PETRIFIED (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25330429)

I turned INTO a ROBOT and then FUCKED your dirty old FATHER in the ARSE

I think he enjoyed it more then your mother who watched. Though she did fiddle herself a bit. But dude, have you considered putting them in a home? They both quite old.

Re:NAKED and PETRIFIED (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25330783)

THANK you I enjoyed THAT entertaining STORY

disagreement over planet/population rescue... (-1, Offtopic)

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Stupid (1)

Hairy Heron (1296923) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330433)

"I can't help but notice the huge amount of trolls posting comments the past few days. I know you guys work hard to keep them down but it's a losing battle. You should make people post comments in groups to get rid of the trolls. Everyone would have a "comment buddy" that has to agree that your comment is worth posting. You could make it part of the preview process. This way trolls wouldn't be able to post because nobody else would mark their comment as worth posting. Maybe if two trolls got together they would be able to defeat the "buddy" process but that seems unlikely to me as I don't think they work in groups do they? Maybe this isn't as good an idea as I think for working against large groups but it might work for lone trolls."

Or it will do nothing but squash unpopular opinions.

Re:Stupid (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330763)

Yeah, because the current moderation system never squashes unpopular opinions.

Don't believe me? Try making a comment that casts Apple, Linux, or Windows in negative light. (Except Vista. It's okay to disparage Vista. ;)

Re:Stupid (1)

Hairy Heron (1296923) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330937)

They may get squashed to -1 by moderation, but they still get posted and if you set the filters right you can find the post. The outlined proposal wouldn't even let the post get made at all.

Re:Stupid (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331043)

True. But if you say something the editors don't like, you can get 'bitchslapped' -- they run a script which mods a whole bunch of your posts to -1 so that you end up with negative karma. In essence, all your posts start out as -1. Still not the same as not being able to post -- unless they decide to ban your IP. But you have to do something pretty egregious to get bitchslapped or banned.

This is horrible (0, Flamebait)

LordKaT (619540) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330435)

Will you just stop posting this shit already? It's not funny. It never has been funny. It never will be funny.

Slashdot is run by super-geeks: YOU HAVE NO APPRECIABLE SENSE OF HUMOR. You can't do "funny" because YOU'RE NOT GODDAMN FUNNY.

And for fucks sake, get a new goddamn theme on Idle. It's ugly and hard to read.

Re:This is horrible (3, Funny)

Tridus (79566) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330621)

I used to wonder if a comment could be both flamebait, and 100% correct at the same time.

Now I know.

Trolls (4, Informative)

AlpineR (32307) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330441)

Does the first writer really mean "trolls" or something else? I thought a troll was someone who intentionally posted an unpopular comment to get a frenzy of reactions. A good troll actually requires intelligence and creativity. It's the humorless automatons who reply to trolls that really clog up message boards. But I don't think that writer meant trolls at all.

Re:Trolls (1)

uberjack (1311219) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330683)

I thought a troll was someone who intentionally posted an unpopular comment to get a frenzy of reactions.

Trolls were elves once. Or was that 'orcs'? Damn you, Tolkien!

Re:Trolls (1)

jcrousedotcom (999175) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331241)

Orcs. [wikipedia.org]

Re:Trolls (1)

VeNoM0619 (1058216) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330765)

Because she got a response out of you (hell 1/3 of an article!) and a whole discussion. I would say she successfully trolled the slashdot mailbag... mission accomplished!

Re:Trolls (1)

Intron (870560) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330801)

I thought that was flamebait. Are you some kind of moron?

Re:Trolls (1)

Bwana Geek (1033040) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331125)

"It's the humorless automatons who reply to trolls that really clog up message boards."

Exactly. Moderators should spend less time wasting their mod points on anonymous trolls and mod down the slashdotters that reply to them instead. In fact, wouldn't it be great if we got extra mod points specifically to punish people for feeding trolls? That way we'd still have 5 points to reward people for being insightful, interesting, etc.

Re:Trolls (1)

93,000 (150453) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331421)

I'd settle for a '-1 Troll Feeder' mod.

Re:Trolls (1)

Bwana Geek (1033040) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331579)

I was going to say exactly that in my post and completely forgot. It would be helpful if there was an obvious and relevant moderation for those who feed trolls. I usually go with Flamebait, but it just doesn't sound right.

Please keep tagging trolls as trolls (1)

danieltdp (1287734) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331721)

It is important to tag trolls. I, for one, don't even bother to read posts tagged as such. The sooner they get tagged the better

Unnecessary changes. (1)

eniacfoa (1203466) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330445)

you will never get rid of trolls 100%, like a war on terror you technically cant win...The system here works great. Making people pay to post comments will only drive them to another site. Many people throw the word troll around when they find someone who disagree's with them. That is just as annoying as a real troll. Discussions are also meant to include negatives, like it or not. You mite find a flaw in your brilliant plan that you hadn't thought of. If a bunch of people sit around completely agreeing with each other, is it even a discussion?

Re:Unnecessary changes. (1)

fucket (1256188) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331153)

They didn't print my letter which suggested a "-1, Misuse of Apostrophe's" moderation option.

webpage rendering is breaking (maybe just me) (1)

malignant_minded (884324) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330503)

Why does idle not have the sectional navigation panel on the left side but every other saction does. This forces you to press back on the browser rather than just Main?

Why is idle's scheme so different from the rest?

Why do the tags get cut off when logged in Anonymous and disappear entirely when logged in?

How funnty that this comes 51 minutes after (0, Flamebait)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330583)

my posting:

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=991147&cid=25329509 [slashdot.org]

(most of it, at least...)

"You know what is painful? That a thread starting out at 0 (because i intentionally disable the karma bonus (without bragging that it's turned off)) is knocked to -0 or -0, Off-topic (either before or after others' comments are added), then through sloppy non-tracking and dodgy code of Slashdot, other comments can be appended, gain bonus points, and even quoted the original/slammed/ridiculed gp, and yet the gp does not get automatically "raised" commensurate to (but not necessarily higher than) useful comments of others.

In other words, someone comments, is punished, then quoted by another, who in effect validates the ridiculed/punished commenter, and then Slashdot's coded does not close the loophole exploited by those on a "kill/vendetta" mode of operation.

This hurts, and it CAN be dealt with, but for economic or political reasons, Slashdot "seems" contented with just leaving things this way (for now, but hopefully not forever...)."

Re:How funnty that this comes 51 minutes after (1)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331303)

(*&)$#*^)@#$ @ why you ()*&)(&)

How that was flamebait just completely boggles my mind. ALL i was saying the timing (51 minutes or so apart) was INTERESTING. I did NOT say that someone at /. read my comment and slapped together something to counter my post. Goddamnit. Why in the FUCK are some ingrates trolling around here looking to crush people instead of chiming in to FIX a problem, rather that just out to frag people?

Did i not make in my referenced comment a valid comment? Did i or did i not in my then subsequent comment point out a coincidence? With all those posts, causing my comment to be lost in the background noise, would it be reasonable or likely that it was picked up and then /. felt some overriding compulsion to do a write-up *just to dick with meeeee*.

I swear, some people on this site have no sense of respect, no humor, no compassion, no depth of thought beyond slamming people, and just out for sheer thrill of satisfying vengeful compulsion.

But, i'm going to go and maybe do a walking meditation, because that's one way of not having a thrombosis overrule my own sensibilities when i almost blow as gasket over invisible, distant fools.

Re:How funnty that this comes 51 minutes after (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25331581)

Holy christ, man, it's the internet. Calm down.

Make it tastier (5, Interesting)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330605)

Getting a comment modded to +5 results in free pudding.

Re:Make it tastier (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331221)

Dang, I wish I got mod points.

Re:Make it tastier (1)

dauwhe (562291) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331617)

Wouldn't delivering the pudding clog up the tubes?

First try at Idle! (-1, Offtopic)

juuri (7678) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330715)

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The very stars began to twinkle as styx, the band, started to play a cover of pink floyd's wish you were here (dontchaknow that just got all the pigs excited) and then JEsus he did come down.

Below his mighty man legs of girth was none other than a TREX bathed in sweet sweet black oil. Jesus struck a match, to light his smokes, and the oil arose in a fire of cleansing for all the dirty users of the linux. And HARK what do we hear? JEsus has begun to speak to us, to impart his wisdom for our humanity to grow upon:

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An explanation to #2 (1)

Wiarumas (919682) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330731)

I think I can explain suggestion 2. First, you toss out the current modding system and hide all comments. Then you click like crazy to befriend people whom you share similar ideas with. Once you befriend them, you will be able to see each other's comments. How will you know whom to befriend? Not entirely sure, but I would assume it would involve clicking.

And the third suggestion almost seems like a clever way to DoS attack online banking. Can you imagine all those penny transactions? Good lord!

Slashdot Poll Suggestion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25330879)

samzenpus should be: A. Boiled alive B. Drawn and quartered C. Keel-hauled D. Dragged behind a pick-up truck E. All of the above

Comment Buddy (1)

Orig_Club_Soda (983823) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330939)

Thats a pretty lame idea. That's socializing opinion. "It's ok to speak as long as some one agrees with you"

I like the pay per comments idea, but maybe make ithe first 3 comments in a day free. With this solution YOU decide if you comment is worth posting, not someone else.

As Someone with Experience.... (1)

penguin_dance (536599) | more than 5 years ago | (#25330959)

As one who has been on both the receiving of mods and moderating sides: Trolls are often in the eye of the beholder. There are a lot of modders who mod down opinions they simply disagree with--especially political ones--as trolls, flamebait and overrated.

I think there needs to be someone modding the modders. Can the overseers not discover who's consistently moderating unfairly and just not give them moderating points? I know meta-modding sometimes helps correct unfair mods. But is anything done if a person who is unfairly modding people down? Can they find out who and not allow them to have modding points?

Trolls and flamebaiters are generally those who are posting totally off-topic and/or vile, bigoted rhetoric, not simply disagreeing. And they're usually anonymous. Posting the reason(s) you disagree with someone's opinion whether it's another slashdotter or the person, place or thing discussed is NOT trolling or flamebaiting. I know, I've had to mod or meta-mod people back up--even some I disagree with, because they made a legitimate point. And I've had some of my posts fluctuate similarly.

Re:As Someone with Experience.... (1)

fprintf (82740) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331521)

Nice summary of metamoderation!

Or is that a whoosh going over my head?

Mail before stamps? (1)

omnichad (1198475) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331013)

That last comment was my favorite part

Ok. Before stamps there was no mail delivery. Wait, that's wrong. It was paid by the recipient. At least here in the US, I think. I'm sure that people all around like stamps better. Who complained?

Re:Mail before stamps? (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331629)

actually, before that the sender paid someone to deliver it when they travelled to a port. You would give a seafarer a few coins and a letter and they would drop it off when they got to that port.

So it was paid by the sender. Sometimes the person delivering would be paid as well (a courier), or tipped handsomely, mind you.

Re:Mail before stamps? (1)

omnichad (1198475) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331691)

Well...ok...I was thinking domestic mail, and right before the use of stamps. Not that it really matters.

Re:Mail before stamps? (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331731)

That also happened for domestic mail - someone would be riding to the next town and you'd pay them to take a letter with you. Usually the recipient would tip you, depending on local customs.

How about... (1)

HikingStick (878216) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331195)

Pay me a nickel every time I read a comment attached to disagree mail?

Didn't idle used to show tags with the stories? (1)

cheftw (996831) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331201)

You know, where it reminded us that "idleispants". I liked that

best? (0, Troll)

denalione (133730) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331403)

Slashdot has one of the best discussion systems there is.

Personally, I think it sucks.

I hate the commenting system (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25331409)

I find it hard to read and archaic in style. Therefore I rarely comment or read comments. I like the stories, though. Keep 'em coming! BTW, Gizmodo has started some kind of retarded comment system where only pre-approved accounts can comment. You have to submit a series of comments then they judge whether you are worthy of public comments. I quit reading Gizmodo when they started that. Engadget has all the same articles.

We need an automatic Pudge blocker (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 5 years ago | (#25331601)

Seriously, for those of us who have him deny reality and post things to us, it would be nice to be able to disallow specific individuals from being able to reply to a thread more than once, since they never get the hint that 99.9 percent of all scientists think he's wrong, and he should just STFU.

Hmmm, how about call it the STFU thread block - make it an option available to Journal authors or Post authors when someone just won't take the hint and stop posting replies that ignore reality.

Or, to be even more Crystal, call it a PudgeBlock.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion - once.

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