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World Bank Under Cybersiege In "Unprecedented Crisis"

kdawson posted more than 5 years ago | from the wolf-really dept.

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JagsLive sends in a Fox News report on large-scale and possibly ongoing security breaches at the World Bank. "The World Bank Group's computer network — one of the largest repositories of sensitive data about the economies of every nation — has been raided repeatedly by outsiders for more than a year, FOX News has learned. It is still not known how much information was stolen. But sources inside the bank confirm that servers in the institution's highly-restricted treasury unit were deeply penetrated with spy software last April. Invaders also had full access to the rest of the bank's network for nearly a month in June and July. In total, at least six major intrusions — two of them using the same group of IP addresses originating from China — have been detected at the World Bank since the summer of 2007, with the most recent breach occurring just last month. In a frantic midnight e-mail to colleagues, the bank's senior technology manager referred to the situation as an 'unprecedented crisis.' In fact, it may be the worst security breach ever at a global financial institution. And it has left bank officials scrambling to try to understand the nature of the year-long cyber-assault, while also trying to keep the news from leaking to the public." Update: 10/11 01:15 GMT by T : Massive spyware infestations might be good cause to reevaluate the TCO of non-Windows systems on the desktop.

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This was bound to happen. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25329025)

These days financial institutions consider IT (and other) security as something that costs them money, without giving them any benefit.

Will this wake them up?

I hear the question "Can we afford"? when talking about security in IT shops. The question that I am coming back with is "Can we afford not to"?

Just how many more banks machines are compromised? How about Federal and Local Government's machines and networks.

If you had enough financial data somebody could cause an economic collapse - I wonder what it would look like.

Re:This was bound to happen. (5, Insightful)

g0es (614709) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329291)

These days financial institutions consider IT (and other) security as something that costs them money, without giving them any benefit.

Will this wake them up?

I hear the question "Can we afford"? when talking about security in IT shops. The question that I am coming back with is "Can we afford not to"?

Just how many more banks machines are compromised? How about Federal and Local Government's machines and networks.

If you had enough financial data somebody could cause an economic collapse - I wonder what it would look like.

For most financial institutions their primary goal when it comes to information assurance is to pass audits. As you stated security is usually a cost center and they do what ever they can to keep that cost down. This generally means doing just enough work to make them compliant and as well all know, compliant != secure. I do not beleive these incidents will change anything unless the financial institutions are forced to a higher standard. I will continue to hope that they will see the light.

Re:This was bound to happen. (5, Insightful)

wkk2 (808881) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329499)

Why wasn't all traffic limited to white listed addresses and that traffic limited to VPN connections using tamper resistant encryption hardware?

Re:This was bound to happen. (2, Insightful)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329761)

These days financial institutions consider IT (and other) security as something that costs them money, without giving them any benefit.

Will this wake them up?

I hear the question "Can we afford"? when talking about security in IT shops. The question that I am coming back with is "Can we afford not to"?

Just how many more banks machines are compromised? How about Federal and Local Government's machines and networks.

If you had enough financial data somebody could cause an economic collapse - I wonder what it would look like.

For most financial institutions their primary goal when it comes to information assurance is to pass audits. As you stated security is usually a cost center and they do what ever they can to keep that cost down. This generally means doing just enough work to make them compliant and as well all know, compliant != secure. I do not beleive these incidents will change anything unless the financial institutions are forced to a higher standard. I will continue to hope that they will see the light.

Under ordinary economic circumstances you would be absolutely correct, i.e., why should they care about security, leaks don't cost them anything. Right now, though, they're being hit in the parts of their anatomy they love best ... their wallets. Furthermore, as many people have pointed out the survival of banking institutions is as much a matter of perception as it is liquidity, and I know how I perceive the World Bank Group right about now. It doesn't take much for already-skittish investors and bank customers to start shifting their money elsewhere. In this case, WBG has taken a big hit in the trust department, and the only way out of this is to invest big in security, and hope people believe them when they say they've fixed the problem.

Re:This was bound to happen. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25329515)

I wonder what it would look like.

you've seen fightclub, right?

Re:This was bound to happen. (3, Interesting)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329571)

If you had enough financial data somebody could cause an economic collapse - I wonder what it would look like.

Probably something like this [msn.com].

Re:This was bound to happen. (2, Insightful)

dcollins (135727) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329681)

"Will this wake them up?"

Highly doubt it. The problem with IT security breaches is that they're like earthquakes, flooding, or stock market crashes. They're too rare, too big, and too uniformly disastrous -- there generally won't be enough people left who remember it next time to do anything about it.

Re:This was bound to happen. (1)

conlaw (983784) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329721)

It's not just financial institutions; every company I or a friend has worked for, has considered legal, accounting and IT "as something that costs them money, without giving them any benefit."

Obviously, we workers in those areas aren't making money for the company and it's virtually impossible to get them to understand how much money we have saved them by refusing to assent to a bad contract or by preventing the spread of malware by requiring strict adherence to the rules about what programs may be used on a machine.

As Pete Seeger wrote, "When will they ever learn?"

Good (1)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329065)

Sounds good. Hope it ends up on Wikileaks. I predict there will be some highly deserving people burnt at the stake if that information gets out to the public.

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25329643)

Yes! What will happen IF this information that we're all reading about on Slashdot gets out to the public??? I bet IF the public finds out, there will be quite the uprising about privacy concerns. Maybe the hackers will post an announcement on the Yahoo! home page so people know this is happening.

Re:Good (1)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329695)

Do you know what was in the files that were stolen? Can you name names and numbers? Can you give me a list of participants?

No. So, shut the fuck up. The only thing that's been made public is that there was a breach. Not what the breach revealed.

I Hope They Destroy This Monster (1, Insightful)

Philip K Dickhead (906971) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329067)

It is an evil instrument, of human enslavement and degradation.

It is empire, with shackles of dependency and credit.

It kills children by starvation, as it extracts demands for medicines.

It is Satan's rectum, poised over the third-world.

Before anyone mods the parent down.... (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25329193)

Jim Rogers [wikipedia.org], Adventure Capitalist and Fox News business commentator, has said the same thing. What I'm trying to say is that the parent is not some leftist nut.

Re:Before anyone mods the parent down.... (4, Insightful)

Angostura (703910) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329423)

Actually, I never assumed for a moment that the parent was a left wing nut. I assumed he was a right wing nut. There is a certain section of conservative opinion that believes any international multilateral body (I'm looking at you, U.N) is the spawn of satan.

Re:Before anyone mods the parent down.... (4, Insightful)

flitty (981864) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329783)

The World Bank and the IMF are infamous for requiring Countries to De-Nationalize resources, requiring that foreign Nationals can buy up once publicly owned companies, and turning social Democracies into lasse-faire capitalist countries in return for their "aid". See: Poland, Indonesia, Chili, Argentina, South America, etc. This usually causes real wages to fall, unemployment to increase, and the reduction of land ownership by locals.

Re:I Hope They Destroy This Monster (5, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329297)


It is Satan's rectum, poised over the third-world.

Best slashdot line in ages.

Urgent message to mods re: Satan's rectum (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25329707)

It is Satan's rectum, poised over the third-world.

Best slashdot line in ages.

Please, please, please mod parent comment down. The last thing we need is for the phrase "It is Satan's rectum, poised over ..." to become a new Slashdot meme.

I mean can you imagine:

- an item about Linux and posts like "It is Satan's rectum, poised over capitalism";

- an item about fascism and posts like "It is Satan's rectum, poised over our freedoms";

- an item about the Cheney/Bush government and posts like "It is Satan's rectum, poised over privacy and the U.S. Constitution"

- an item about a new Windows version and posts like "It is Satan's rectum, poised over the computer world";

Yech! Please stop it before it starts!

so the chinese orchestrated the market meltdown (4, Funny)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329073)

previously, i thought the markets were melting down due to gay marriage

perhaps this is the obvious run up to 2012 and the end of the mayan calendar

paranoid schizophrenics, want to help me out here?

Re:so the chinese orchestrated the market meltdown (2, Informative)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329129)

Psychologically, you don't need schizophrenics, and their paranoid delusions are probably too far out there to be what you're looking for. Just stop with someone with delusional disorder.

Re:so the chinese orchestrated the market meltdown (0, Flamebait)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329153)

They're melting down due to birth control, dumbass. You can only usurp the labour of other cultures children to sustain a childless and decadent lifestyle for so long before they decide not to play ball. That's what this is about. China has been the powerhouse of the world for a long time because they have the population. They've been sitting back and allowing us to depend on them further and further for a long time, but that's almost done. Eventally, they too will fall, and it will be their one child per couple policy that created the conditions, at which point places like India will become the world power.

Re:so the chinese orchestrated the market meltdown (1)

Gizzmonic (412910) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329189)

Help out? Why, I'd love to!

Jesus is coming...in his magic spaceship. Holy Lord will unleasher...rivers of blood will melt..aAAAAGgGH AAGGGH MY FACE! STAY AWAY FROM MY FACE! ...

Hey mister, ya got 50 cents for bus fare?

Re:so the chinese orchestrated the market meltdown (0, Troll)

Philip K Dickhead (906971) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329295)

The "World Bank" is neither a 'world' institution, nor is it a Bank. [worldbank.org]

the World Bank has a corrupting influence over those in the rich world, especially the U.S. government, who have tended to use the Bank as a tool of "diplomacy by other means". Bribery, in short. Oh, nobody calls it that in polite society, but that is most assuredly what it is. It must be extremely expedient for Western governments to punish recalcitrant governments in the developing world by withholding World Bank and IMF "assistance"; and conversely reward compliant ones.

http://www.zambia.co.zm/articles/world_bank.html [zambia.co.zm]

The World Bank is a prestigious and large international financial institution. Since its foundation it has widened the scope and the size of its activities. One interpretation of what the World Bank is doing is the provision of public goods. If we take this interpretation seriously the comprehensiveness of the Bank's activity suggests that the Bank is assuming more and more the functions of a world government in the making. An alternative interpretation would look at the World Bank as a huge bureaucratic organization, acting on its own behalf. This interpretation can not be endorsed fully by the available information, but only in the sense of bureau-shaping. The Bank itself is proud of being a knowledge bank. But its actual activity is the popularization of ideas on development and not the application of research outcomes in its day-to-day operations. The most appropriate interpretation of the activity of the World Bank is that its changing scope and size is shaped heavily by pressure from different interest groups.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=588648 [ssrn.com]

What is banking? (1)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329505)

It must be extremely expedient for Western governments to punish recalcitrant governments in the developing world by withholding World Bank and IMF "assistance"; and conversely reward compliant ones.

This is the nature of all (fractional reserve) banking.

Have you noticed the calls for co-ordinated action? For a world response? Next it'll be a world council.

 

Funny the Email is referencing External webmail (5, Informative)

phantomcircuit (938963) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329091)

Well of course I can't be certain but this appears to be ntohing more than a breach of their email system (encrypt your damn email people).

From the leaked memo "MD and CIO has directed that all external Webmail accounts be disabled immediately for all staff who have not changed their passwords yet"

Re:Funny the Email is referencing External webmail (1)

piemcfly (1232770) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329239)

"a minimum of 18 servers have been compromised," including some of the bank's most sensitive systems â" ranging from the bank's security and password server to a Human Resources server "that contains scanned images of staff documents."

seems like a lot more than an email server to me.

In the official report it says:

We do know that 3 main servers have been breached (...) an HR server that contains scanned staff documents (...)
As of 09/09 we have determined that 5 of the compromised servers contain sensitive data

Re:Funny the Email is referencing External webmail (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25329387)

Uhh you fail at reading, from TFA:
"In plainspeak: "They had access to everything," says the source. "They had the keys to every room at the bank. And we can't say whether they still do or don't until we fully and openly address what's happening here."

Fox is like the National Enquirer (4, Insightful)

NobleSavage (582615) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329101)

I'd really like to read about this from a source other than Fox news.

Re:Fox is like the National Enquirer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25329147)

I second that.

Re:Fox is like the National Enquirer (5, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329207)

Hi.

Apparently, the World Bank is under cybersiege in an "Unprecedented Crisis". Turns out they've been hacked repeatedly, apparently from China.

I have a 5 digit Slashdot ID, so I think you can count on me being a reliable source. I got the information from a Slashdot story as well, so you can be pretty certain it's completely accurate.

Re:Fox is like the National Enquirer (5, Funny)

binaryspiral (784263) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329331)

I'd mod you up, but I read on Fox News that Slashdot was full of Chinese hackers.

Re:Fox is like the National Enquirer (5, Funny)

iplayfast (166447) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329493)

I'd mod YOU up but I heard that moderators were full of Chinese hackers.

(oops did just say that out loud?)

Re:Fox is like the National Enquirer (5, Funny)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329629)

And I'd mode you up, but I heard that the moderators are Chinese hackers.

Which would probably explain a lot.

Re:Fox is like the National Enquirer (5, Funny)

doomicon (5310) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329443)

To add more credibility, I concur with my fellow poster with my 4 digit ID.

Re:Fox is like the National Enquirer (4, Funny)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329645)

Yes, well, all that 4 digit ID means is that you've wasted that much more of your life than I have.

Re:Fox is like the National Enquirer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25329685)

To add more credibility, I concur with my fellow poster with my 4 digit ID.

Do you have the 4 digit ID to make up for your tiny penis?

Re:Fox is like the National Enquirer (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25329727)

To add more credibility, I concur with my fellow poster with my 0 digit ID.

Re:Fox is like the National Enquirer (1)

CRiMSON (3495) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329775)

Being a 4 digit Slashdot ID, I can honestly tell you my comrade above me has no idea what he's talking about.. move along nothing to see here..

It really is (1)

snspdaarf (1314399) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329283)

I still look at the FoxNews web site, but damn, one has to pick through a lot of crap to find information. It seems to be more gossip than anything else. I keep expecting to see a hot story about Brittney Speers' lovechild with Bat Boy.

On the other hand, almost all news outlets seem to want to lead the parade down to the circus side show, so maybe they are just a sign of the times.

Good night, Chet. Good night, David.

Re:Fox is like the National Enquirer (0, Redundant)

BountyX (1227176) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329305)

You mean Faux news? That's french for 'fake' haha.

Re:Fox is like the National Enquirer (2, Funny)

msuarezalvarez (667058) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329425)

Wow. The way you skillfully explained the joke for the idiotic audience is simply awe inspiring!

I can only guess you have authored at least half the the last 10 years of Hollywood films, haven't you?

Re:Fox is like the National Enquirer (1)

xerxesVII (707232) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329565)

That's pretty clever, BountyX! Too bad I don't have any mod points for you.

Re:Fox is like the National Enquirer (1, Insightful)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329337)

Let me guess, you would believe it if it were on MoveOn.org, right?

Re:Fox is like the National Enquirer (2, Informative)

dmeranda (120061) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329339)

> I'd really like to read about this from a source other than Fox news.

You are, it's called /. -- It's about the furthest thing from Fox you can find.

And if you wait a few moments until the global news oligopoly passes the story to all the other rags it owns, you can read the exact same text elsewhere too: http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=world+bank+computer+intrusion [google.com]

Oh, I'll one-up-you on the Troll...at least it's not the New York Times; there's a chance that this story is not made up fiction.

Blaming the Chinese is useless (4, Insightful)

Progman3K (515744) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329111)

First thing I would do is launch my attack from a compromised host in country X while being in country Y

Re:Blaming the Chinese is useless (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25329235)

First thing I would do is launch my attack from a compromised host in country X while being in country Y

Lastly, I would blame China. With most countries bring in a financial crisis, China would take the fall and bail us out.

Re:Blaming the Chinese is useless (2, Funny)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329245)

Sure, that's that they'd expect you to think.

Re:Blaming the Chinese is useless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25329567)

"Sir, shouldn't we turn on the search lights to guie them?"
"No. ... That's just what they'll be expecting!"

(Airplane)

Re:Blaming the Chinese is useless (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25329293)

The Jews are behind it. Obama is anti-China.

Re:Blaming the Chinese is useless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25329667)


First thing I would do is launch my attack from a compromised host in country X while being in country Y

For years I've been sitting in my rice paddy fooling teh intarwebs into thinking Canadians are beer drinking, left leaning pricks with a lame sense of humour.

reputable source? (4, Insightful)

Bearpaw (13080) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329115)

Does anyone have a link to a story on this from a reputable news source?

Re:reputable source? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25329453)

I could link the story from CNN but all they have are stories about Obama.

Re:reputable source? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25329465)

can you support the position that they are not a reputable news source?

citations + evidence please.

Re:reputable source? (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25329555)

Ah, using the typical Obamist tactic of shooting the messenger before you read the message.

Ooh... Fox News says the IP address is from China! (1, Insightful)

MarkvW (1037596) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329133)

Does the IP address indicate a Chinese intrusion, or is that just a spin?

Re:Ooh... Fox News says the IP address is from Chi (1)

djupedal (584558) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329341)

> Does the IP address indicate a Chinese intrusion, or is that just a spin?

Just a spin. Look for WB information to be sold soon on Craigslist Seoul.

0wn3d (5, Informative)

modemboy (233342) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329137)

Damn, they got owned completely, 3 different times. Someone in their security department needs to get a clue. Somehow their offsite data store got accessed, then an IT consultant worker key logged them, and finally they got in again through a third party and escalated to admin rights.

3 different attack vectors, all completely successful. That is just kinda pathetic...

Re:0wn3d (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25329275)

Seriously! How can the admins at the world bank be that incompetent? Scary.

Re:0wn3d (3, Insightful)

necro2607 (771790) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329355)

Frankly, it doesn't surprise me. As far as I've ever determined, if someone with extremely sophisticated knowledge of computer networks and OSes wants to get into a system, they will find a way. Especially a country with the population of China - can you imagine the size of computer-based espionage departments they could have going no problem? I used to know guys who were insanely skilled with finding exploits by just browsing through source code. I thought it was insane - I'd never know how to figure that out, but they would always find some minor flaw that was exploitable. Imagine a freaking team dedicated to doing that. Or even a team that takes network hardware components that are known to be used by this bank (that information can be easily gained via social engineering, no question). Reverse engineer the network hardware's firmwares etc., or even better, social-engineer the manufacturer to get in-detail system specs. I mean.. seriously, I'm not surprised at all, because someone (or some group of people) who's determined, organized and skilled enough could break into any damn system they wanted. That said, it's still fucking horrible and frustrating that such ultra-sensitive data is basically a "free-for-all" for someone for the past year or however long.

Re:0wn3d (1)

HappySmileMan (1088123) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329581)

Or even a team that takes network hardware components that are known to be used by this bank (that information can be easily gained via social engineering, no question). Reverse engineer the network hardware's firmwares etc., or even better, social-engineer the manufacturer to get in-detail system specs.

They don't need to reverse engineer OR social engineer, They just need to make an outright demand.

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/business/20080919TDY01306.htm [yomiuri.co.jp]

Of course this hasn't happened quite yet?

Re:0wn3d (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329679)

can you imagine the size of computer-based espionage departments they could have going no problem?

Yes well, maybe it turns out that this newfangled Internet-thingy wasn't such a good idea after all. History will be the judge.

Re:0wn3d (1)

hesaigo999ca (786966) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329381)

When you think they decide the worlds economy and how things relate on an international level,
it is VERY pathetic and scary at the same time!

does anyone else think (1, Flamebait)

nimbius (983462) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329159)

its suspicious that fox news, arguably one of the least reputable news agencies on the planet, has been tapped as the groundbreaking authority on this story?

wondering if this will come with a CERN alert any time soon.

Re:does anyone else think (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25329559)

its suspicious that fox news, arguably one of the least reputable news agencies on the planet

O'rielly and Hannity != Fox News. Your hatred has made you ignorant.

Dear World Bank (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25329205)

I hear you have an opening for a security expert...

Re:Dear World Bank (5, Funny)

Narnie (1349029) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329377)

I know this one admin from SF that's a real whiz about network security. They even fired him for it.

Dr. Evil? (1)

Gotung (571984) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329213)

So this story coming out at the same time as a world-wide financial crisis.

Has hollywood finally become reality? Is there some scarred super-villain out there somewhere petting a hairless cat laughing like a maniac as the world falls into economic ruin?

Simple solution (1)

InsaneProcessor (869563) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329227)

The simple and total solution is to disconnect any country that has these attacks and do not re-connect until the government of that country solves their problem. I am sick and tired of China blocking content from their own citizens but, allowing illegal activity to the outside world. They need to be shut down.

Re:Simple solution (1)

somnum (1339249) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329543)

You'd need to have every country in the world agree to that in order for it to be effective, and that's simply not going to happen.

First post??? (2, Interesting)

hesaigo999ca (786966) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329249)

As the possible first post, I want to make sure no one thinks this is in anyway related to the markets crashing, as it stands if china did originate the attack, they are losing as much as the USA right now, and are still losing dealing with their own problems(with the food illnesses).
I was one to believe that Chinese were doing a lot of hacking on purpose to advance in cyber tactics, however this move if were caused by them, ended costing them more then it returned.

It may more have been a Russian hacker rerouting through china using tor or something.

Re:First post??? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25329489)

Look!

China knows Jews want to control the world. The Chinese know they are a threat.

And the Jews ant the Russian are closely linked:

http://catholicvoice.co.uk/khazar.htm [catholicvoice.co.uk] (their genetic origin)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethel_and_Julius_Rosenberg [wikipedia.org]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_spy [wikipedia.org] (most of them Jews)

http://www.white-history.com/hwr64iv.htm [white-history.com] (Jew communist activity in Germany)

http://www.examiner.com/a-849555~Soros_drives_Democratic_Party__Author.html [examiner.com] (George Soros is a billionaire Jew)

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm [biblebelievers.org.au]

Re:First post??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25329535)

I blame the only one with everything to gain...

That's right...

RON PAUL DID IT!

creators poised to badtoll unprecedented evile (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25329279)

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It Doesn't Matter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25329281)

It doesn't matter what the crackers learned. It's obsolete now.

Security? (4, Insightful)

cdrguru (88047) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329321)

Face it, no matter how secure a system is, if it is usable by humans it can be breached. Easily.

There is anywhere from a 100 to 1000 hackers/crackers/slimeballs out there that are ready and willing to take on each and every system. Ones that claim to be "secure" are just a bigger target. There is no such thing as a completely "secure" system that is usable and accessible by ordinary humans. True security would require controlled physical access, multiple authenticating factors, and so on. None of this is going to happen for an accessible system usable by "ordinary humans".

About all that is realistic is to minimize the damages. Face the fact that if you are a target you are going to lose. Try not to lose too much.

Prosecution of the break-in? Forget it. It's the Internet. It is International. If it looks like it is coming from China, it could be real or it could be a proxy. There are no effective International laws that will assist in any sort of prosecution. There is no supra-national police force that will break down the door of the cracker and haul them away. Nothing is going to happen. Unless the guy is a complete idiot that brags about it.

Re:Security? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25329429)

Steve Ballmer, is that you? That sounds like a great defense for the M$ security track record.

But seriously, a banking representative from Beijing just called. He says he wants to sell foreign state financial secrets, hold on. . . .

Worldwide financial crisis? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25329449)

Maybe this - and other security breaches - might be (partially) behind the current worldwide financial crisis? Strangely, here in Canada in the past month I heard just in my close circle of colleagues, family several cases when entire bank accounts were cleaned out. I never heard such a high concentration of cases before.
It just makes you wonder... could it be, that all the suddenly escalating "bad debts" crisis is actually based on or at least related to full-scale security breakdown at financial institutions?

Just makes me wonder.. (1)

vaedur (1357815) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329451)

Why networks with such sensitive data have internet access. I know it makes it easier and accessible, but shouldn't something this important be used for internal record keeping? I know that's usually not possible, but the fact everything is online will come back to bite everyone.. To quote Forest Gump "then something bit me in the buttock.. they say it was a million dollar wound, but the government must keep that money, cause i didn't see any of it...."

Sensitive data? (3, Insightful)

Bromskloss (750445) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329473)

sensitive data about the economies of every nation

What's so sensitive about the economy of a nation that it must be kept secret, thereby not even allowing the nation itself (the people) to know about it?

Fox News? You trust Fox News? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25329485)

Fox News? I always thought it was spelled Faux News.

Shameful (1)

Bromskloss (750445) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329517)

bank officials [...] trying to keep the news from leaking to the public.

They should be slammed for that! Trying to cover up their mistakes. Shameful.

Time for an upgrade . . . (1)

arizwebfoot (1228544) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329525)

Wonder if they've ever heard of Linux?

Oh wait . . .Bank . . .Micro$haft . . .common
denominator . . .$$$$$

--

Oh Well, Bad Karma and all . . .

Re:Time for an upgrade . . . (1)

TinFoilMan (1371973) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329661)

Dude, doncha know, if it's free it's no good!!!
Of course banks think Linux means:
Less
Intelligence
Needed
Unless
Crossed (x)

More Targeted Attacks (1)

duplo1 (719988) | more than 5 years ago | (#25329537)

I'm really not surprised to hear this. According to Verizon Business' 2008 Data Breach Report, 46% of reported attacks, while somewhat opportunistic, are directed towards a specific victim with knowledge of how to exploit a specific weakness. While only 15% of the reported attacks were fully targeted, I strongly believe that this number will rise. With usage of social networking sites on the rise (think Linkedin.com), it really isn't difficult to identify well-placed targets within an organization. Find enough information about an individual, make contact, gain a level of trust, and owning them at work can be trivial. From this point, the attacker can use the victim's trusted relationship in the company (e.g., electronic access) to proceed to take ownership of the network.

Ummmm ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25329641)

"And it has left bank officials scrambling to try to understand the nature of the year-long cyber-assault ..."

Windows, duh!

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