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OpenOffice.org 3.0 Is Officially Here

CmdrTaco posted about 6 years ago | from the who-needs-office-anyway dept.

Software 284

SNate writes "After a grinding three-year development cycle, the OpenOffice.org team has finally squeezed out a new release. New features include support for the controversial Microsoft OOXML file format, multi-page views in Writer, and PDF import via an extension. Linux Format has an overview of the new release, asking the question: is it really worth the 3.0 label?"

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fp! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25353771)

Fact: William Ayers ghostwrote Barack Obama's first book.

Re:fp! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25354553)

You can mod it down but you can't change the truth.
Fact: Bill Ayer's autobiography (Fugative Days) is written at 12th gade level and averages 23 words per sentence. Obama's first "autobiography" (Dreams from my father) is also written at a 12th grade level and averates 23 words per sentence. His second autobiography is written at a 9th grade level and averages 29 words per sentence.

Barack Obama, who had never written any previous works other than some "really bad poetry" was given a contract to write a book on race relations. Four years and one publisher later, he delivered an autobiography. Along the way, he met Bill Ayers, an English Professor who had experience writing autobiographies. He also helped launch his political career.

(He was also a terrorist in the 60s, but nobody gives a shit).

Bill Ayers helped edit his autobiography.

Re:fp! (-1, Offtopic)

asdir (1195869) | about 6 years ago | (#25354741)

I hate to pick up on trolling, but Germany's former foreign Minister, Joschka Fischer, was also strongly associated with leftist terrorists and even took part in street battles. However, he did a formidable and more than respectable job, since he had the discipline, power and will to change himself. Who is to say that Ayers could not have changed as well? If a university can recognise that he did, you might be able to do so too, just give it a try.
Besides: How can you be so arrogant as to think that you know how Ayers' background reflects on Obama, even if it is true that they are somehow connected?

Re:fp! (1, Offtopic)

gary_7vn (1193821) | about 6 years ago | (#25354911)

You obviously don't know anything about the 60's. At the time, people under 40 mostly supported the Weathermen, because they knew then that their government did not represent them and was in the employ of the military industrial complex. And he was not a "terrorist" -- he was a revolutionary. There is a difference. Washington was a revolutionary. The difference between them is that Washington won. As for your analysis as proof. Are your really that stupid? Yes, yes, you are.

Forbidden (2, Informative)

liquidpele (663430) | about 6 years ago | (#25353775)

Great link!

Forbidden

You don't have permission to access /servlets/ContentHelmNoodle on this server.
Apache Server at www.openoffice.org Port 80

Re:Forbidden (5, Informative)

entgod (998805) | about 6 years ago | (#25353805)

It's not really the summary at fault. Seems like the whole http://www.openoffice.org/ [openoffice.org] is giving the same response.

Re:Forbidden (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25353855)

Content Helm Noodle? Sounds like some kind of off-brand tinfoil hat ...

Re:Forbidden (5, Funny)

sammyF70 (1154563) | about 6 years ago | (#25353917)

I think liquidpele just uncovered that Open Office is actually subsidized by the Pastafarian Church [venganza.org] .

NO ! It's a miracle ! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25354153)

Despite your atheist propaganda, you cannot deny that we whitnessing a miragulous miracle of HIs widsom and glory in full extend.

HIs noodle appendages haveth thouched the server and thus it displays his words to enlighten the unbelievers.

Behold the word: "ContentHelmNoodle"

In this time of unrest and crisis his tells us to trust in his tomatoe sauce and that we will be protected by his mercy and meatballs.

Re:NO ! It's a miracle ! (1, Funny)

MindKata (957167) | about 6 years ago | (#25354383)

Despite your noodley Pastafarianism propaganda, you cannot deny the miragulous miracle of Natural Selection Soap, which cleans the shallow end of the gene pool, spotless of your tomatoe sauced up followers.

Behold the word: "Soap"

Re:Forbidden (5, Funny)

nmg196 (184961) | about 6 years ago | (#25354475)

ContentHelmNoodle?! WTF?

The next thing we'll be serving our pages with ParkingBrakeTurboAubergines.

Re:Forbidden (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25355087)

Looks like OpenOffice already is.

Great (1, Interesting)

rimcrazy (146022) | about 6 years ago | (#25353793)

/. ed already.

Pre-Slashdotted (3, Informative)

KingSkippus (799657) | about 6 years ago | (#25354105)

Actually, it was down before Slashdot posted the story. I tried to access it a couple of hours ago, and it was down then. (Albeit without the ContentHelmNoodle error.)

Check your local friendly mirror. ;-)

Re:Pre-Slashdotted (0, Redundant)

whatUrunning.com (1358393) | about 6 years ago | (#25354257)

It has been getting hammered for the last 5-6 hours, there is plenty of interest in it so far.

Re:Pre-Slashdotted (4, Funny)

not already in use (972294) | about 6 years ago | (#25354641)

THATSWHATSHESAID!

As always, KDE leads the way (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25353807)

is it really worth the 3.0 label?

Look, it's simple: 3.0 is not really 3.0, but it should be considered 3.0-developer-alpha-gold. The next release will be 3.2-beta-silver-GTi, followed quickly by 3.1.1.0-gold-gold-always-believe-in-your-soul, which may (or may not) be ready for end users. Provided no show-stopper bugs are found in that (& if they are they'll just be re-classified as "WORKSFORME" and the submitter flamed), the final 3.0.1.45 version will be released to end users (apart from those in Arizona and Ohio. They have to wait for 3.1.5)

This is so obvious you'd have to be an idiot not to understand it! Duh!

Johnny Walker (4, Funny)

Ukab the Great (87152) | about 6 years ago | (#25354147)

They should just kill the minor versioning altogether and move to a "red label"/"black label" system.

Re:Johnny Walker (1)

deniable (76198) | about 6 years ago | (#25354695)

Always bet on black?

Google Cache of Mirror List (5, Informative)

xaoslaad (590527) | about 6 years ago | (#25353813)

The main page is ./'ed but it appears the mirrors are still fine. Just use the mirror list in Google Cache.

http://74.125.113.104/search?q=cache:chsA7FTyP3wJ:distribution.openoffice.org/mirrors/+mirrors+openoffice&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us [74.125.113.104]

Re:Google Cache of Mirror List (1)

Jabadia (911351) | about 6 years ago | (#25353897)

The main page is ./'ed but it appears the mirrors are still fine. Just use the mirror list in Google Cache. http://74.125.113.104/search?q=cache:chsA7FTyP3wJ:distribution.openoffice.org/mirrors/+mirrors+openoffice&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us [74.125.113.104]

I dont understand your suggestion, how do i get a link to download the new openoffice ?

Re:Google Cache of Mirror List (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25353929)

The mirror list contains a list of download sites; just look at the cached page on Google since openoffice.org is down.

Re:Google Cache of Mirror List (2, Insightful)

Hurricane78 (562437) | about 6 years ago | (#25354303)

A link? Simply do:

eix-sync && emerge -autv openoffice

Do you still live in the stone age or what? ;)

Re:Google Cache of Mirror List (1)

JustKidding (591117) | about 6 years ago | (#25353913)

As of April 2008, OpenOffice.org does NOT NEED any NEW mirrors from regions that already have a strong download network. We currently ONLY search for new mirrors in areas where the number of download sites is quite low. As of now, this is especially true for Africa or India.

No, they don't need any mirrors... I'm rather surprised by the OOXML support; does OpenOffice now support it, even before MS does?

Re:Google Cache of Mirror List (1)

Chatterton (228704) | about 6 years ago | (#25354175)

Now that OOXML has an implementation. Could we hope that the Microsoft implementation will be compatible ?
But my biggest question is how do they have managed to implement all these "do it like Wordperfect 0.9 alpha developper release" ? (Yes I know I am little bit sarcastic here :D)

Re:Google Cache of Mirror List (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25354433)

No, OpenOffice now supports (presumably a subset of) Office 2007 XML. Office 2007 XML is not the same as OOXML though some of the OOXML documentation could be useful in implementing Office 2007 XML.

Re:Google Cache of Mirror List (1)

mrscorpio (265337) | about 6 years ago | (#25355025)

filehippo.com is also a good bet.

Re:Google Cache of Mirror List (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25355277)

"The main page is ./'ed"

Why do so many people shorten "Slashdot" to "./" instead of "/."?

Re:Why do .. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25355313)

they're lysdexic.

Great ... err ... (4, Interesting)

Selanit (192811) | about 6 years ago | (#25353931)

Or it will be once the openoffice.org sysadmin fixes their server. Major egg on the face there.

Anyway, this release has one feature that I've been longing after for years now: proper support for marginal comments.

While OO.o has long been capable of opening documents with comments in them, the user interface for reading those comments sucked HARD. The presence of a note was indicated by a tiny, light yellow rectangle at the end of the sentence. Easy to miss. And then if you wanted to actually read the comment, you had to hover your mouse over it to trigger a small yellow pop-up box containing the comment text (which would be cut off if it was a long comment). Basically, actually READING a commented document in OO.o was not practical.

This new version is much, much better. I tried it out using one of the copies that hit the mirrors before the official release, and it's soooo much better. Comments now actually show up in the margins, they've got little lines connecting them to the section of the document they apply to, and they're color coded by author. Hallelujah! Now I can finally quit depending on Word for grading student papers.

Re:Great ... err ... (1)

apodyopsis (1048476) | about 6 years ago | (#25354045)

You don't have permission to access /servlets/ContentHelmNoodle on this server.

Hmmm. Egg, Noodle. Add some bacon cubes and some HP Original Brown sauce and I'll convert.

Anybody in the know care to elaborate what a contentHelmNoodle is? Just curious... I love the names developers give things sometimes.

Yeah, yeah, I know - It's off topic, but kinda interesting.

Re:Great ... err ... (2, Interesting)

electrictroy (912290) | about 6 years ago | (#25354185)

So as a newbie to this free software; open software paradigm:

- Can I use OpenOffice to create "Word formatted resumes" and forward them to potential employers? Or is this like when I used GEOSwrite, and nobody could read the file, except another Commodore 64 user?

Re:Great ... err ... (4, Informative)

fabs64 (657132) | about 6 years ago | (#25354261)

I've used OO.o for my resume for a few years now with no issues, but that may be because I try to keep a resume plain and simple.

Btw, unless word is specifically requested, pdf resume's look a lot nicer.

Re:Great ... err ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25355389)

Converting formulas to pdf doesnt always work right. I usually have to submit hw in PS format.

PDF (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25354269)

Send your resume as PDF. As long as even different Word versions can't open other Word files correctly there is no hope formatting will be preserved.

And if 'they' insist on Word files, you wouldn't want to work there anyway, as they are clearly deluded and stupid beyond measure.

Not kidding either, actually.

Re:PDF (4, Insightful)

ozphx (1061292) | about 6 years ago | (#25354371)

And if 'they' insist on Word files, you wouldn't want to work there anyway

Wrong. It means they are used to paying more than they should for things. Sounds like a great environment for negotiating a starting salary in.

Re:PDF (5, Insightful)

dmbasso (1052166) | about 6 years ago | (#25354829)

If you only look for money, instead of quality of life...

Re:PDF (0, Flamebait)

ozphx (1061292) | about 6 years ago | (#25355315)

Someone saying "We use Word here, and this is your copy" will reduce your quality of life?

Or were you planning on using OO3 because its Free? If so, were you planning on working on the code during company time? If so... take your goddamn compiler and GTFO.

Re:PDF (2, Insightful)

Beat The Odds (1109173) | about 6 years ago | (#25355211)

Wrong. It means they are used to paying more than they should for things. Sounds like a great environment for negotiating a starting salary in.

I think you have it wrong. Since the spend too much for software, they save by offering lower salaries. Look elsewhere.

Re:PDF (4, Insightful)

Zashi (992673) | about 6 years ago | (#25354639)

Wrong Wrong Wrong. Sorry. When I was applying for the job I have now I had to send in my resume in word format after initially sending it in PDF format. Big deal. I saved as a .doc file and sent it in. I prefer pdf because I can be sure it'll look right but OO.o usually gets MS doc format right for me.

As for not wanting to work for a company that insists on MS docs... well. That really only speaks to how HR works. I work for a staffing company that mainly supplies employees for IBM. I'm a tester in IBM's superlab. I get to play with big iron servers: stuff like quad 6-core machines (yeah, 24 cores in a rackmount system). I use linux for my workstation with no problems. I come in and leave when I wish (we report our time via a webapp) and as long as my work is done and I'm here when I say I'm here management has no problems.

Don't be so quick to judge a company.

Re:PDF (1)

Whiteox (919863) | about 6 years ago | (#25354909)

Are IBM bringing out the equivalent version of Star Office soon? - Just wondering....

Re:Great ... err ... (3, Informative)

pipatron (966506) | about 6 years ago | (#25354271)

I think GeoWrite existed for Apple-II as well.

Anyway, yes, you can export them to a Word-compatible format, and since OpenOffice is using a standard file format, MS Word should be able to read it as well. Also, OpenOffice will create smaller and nicer Word-files than Word.

Re:Great ... err ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25354307)

export to pdf is your friend : as far as I know most computers are able to open and render PDF in a way or another

Re:Great ... err ... (1)

apathy maybe (922212) | about 6 years ago | (#25354333)

You can use OpenOffice.org to forward documents in [i]PDF[/i] to potential employers. Any potential (IT related) employer that insists on MS Word format for resumes isn't worth the bother.

However, if you do want to bother, OpenOffice.org can open and save MS Word Document formats since at least MS Word 6.0 (the first version I ever used, and I still have files from that time).

And, if that doesn't satisfy you, OOo can also open a variety of other "legacy proprietary file formats" 1 [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Great ... err ... (1)

not already in use (972294) | about 6 years ago | (#25354663)

No, don't use it to save word docs unless that you can verify they look normal in word first.

Re:Great ... err ... (1)

sveard (1076275) | about 6 years ago | (#25355355)

Or is this like when I used GEOSwrite, and nobody could read the file, except another Commodore 64 user?

Peter Griffin, is that you??

Re:Great ... err ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25355111)

I've just always used text-boxes and then saved the result to PDF to send to students. As PDFs they become pretty much fixed against student tampering, and no-one can say: "but I did have that uncertainty listed. You just missed it."

That said, this is an improvement (for collaborative purposes, I'm thinking). Now for those of us who haven't used Word on a daily basis in, oh, 7 or 8 years cause we haven't needed it, will such comments automatically be visible in Word versions 2000+?

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PDF (4, Interesting)

ledow (319597) | about 6 years ago | (#25353943)

The only thing of any interest, then, is the PDF import/editing/export. Ironic, considering that the ad's on /. for this article seemed to consist mostly of Adobe Acrobat ads...

But if it really *can* import any PDF, allow basic editing and export, that could really be a boon. Other apps that allow that are either incredibly expensive, horrible to use or just too out-of-date. Does it support "encrypted" PDF's if you have the passwords, etc.? Does it allow image/text editing/extraction from a PDF? If so, then this update would be worth it for that alone.

The rest is just eye candy and basic bug fixes (e.g. >256 columns in Calc).

Re:PDF (5, Insightful)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | about 6 years ago | (#25354121)

What's an ad?

Re:PDF (5, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | about 6 years ago | (#25354219)

It's one of those things that used to pop up and ask us to buy stuff before adblocker came out.

Re:PDF (2)

digitalderbs (718388) | about 6 years ago | (#25354169)

The opposite of irony is not irony. It's logic. You're stating that acrobat PDF ads are not surprising and a logical consequence for an article featuring PDF functionality. I'm only griping about this because the misuse of irony is prevalent in comments.

(Also, it's 'ads' and PDFs -- plural form, and not possessive form or a conjunction.)

Indeed, poor word usage and grammar in a posting about an office suite is ironic.

Re:PDF (4, Informative)

Ynot_82 (1023749) | about 6 years ago | (#25354477)

Yes, it can really import PDF's
tested this out on the RC's (haven't tested the final release yet) and it worked OK
not great, but OK

there seemed to be no problem at all loading a simple PDF'd document or spreadsheet
importing took a little longer than I'd have hoped, but I got a fully editable document, formatting intact

just for kicks, I loaded the PDF of my motherboard manual into OO.o just to see
and while I did get editable text, it did not do particularly well on complex formatting
in particular, changes in page orientation & dimensions threw it, resulting in some pages being malformed

Just from briefly playing around with it, I've found the following:
- Importing a PDF'd spreadsheet gets you a tabulated word processing document, with spreadsheet rows & columns made up of drawing lines and text in textboxes

- sometimes (haven't been able to narrow down what causes it) random spaces are inserted into words
"Some text" may become "Som e te xt"

- Borders around objects (textboxes, shapes) are sometimes inconsistent

- no support for transparent PNG's (alpha channel turns to solid black)

Re:PDF (2, Interesting)

domatic (1128127) | about 6 years ago | (#25354977)

But if it really *can* import any PDF, allow basic editing and export, that could really be a boon. Other apps that allow that are either incredibly expensive, horrible to use or just too out-of-date. Does it support "encrypted" PDF's if you have the passwords, etc.? Does it allow image/text editing/extraction from a PDF? If so, then this update would be worth it for that alone.

It imports into Draw. Short edits to text and filling in forms is simple. If you're wanting to make extensive changes to the formatting and style of the document then it is more difficult but possible. The PDF is treated as a vector image with text layers and objects for graphics and table elements. Upcoming versions of the PDF Import Extension will import into writer which will make extensive edits easier but at the expense of fidelity.

Its useful to update version numbers... (3, Interesting)

ashraya (632661) | about 6 years ago | (#25353969)

I have not RTFM. Nor the link. In true /. spirit, Let me state this - A new version number is sometimes needed for other reasons than adding more features. At work I use Office 2007 from MS. Of the five systems at home, all but one use a flavour of linux with Ooo 2.x (mostly Ubuntu, but have an OLPC too). I recently decided to work on a work doc from home, but only when I wanted to open it, I realized it was docx format. I had almost given up - Ooo 2.x came before the 2007, so I did not expect support. But some desparate googling brought me to a filter that I could add, and lo presto, I could use the doc in Ooo! I had honestly not expected the functionality in Ooo 2.x! I had given up based on version numbering and release dates, and most would too. A newer version number might prompt more of us to try harder. It helps! Ashraya

Re:Its useful to update version numbers... (1)

lagfest (959022) | about 6 years ago | (#25354391)

Yes, for instance the subversion project increments the major version number to indicate a break in backwards compatibility.

Get the new Subversion 2.0! it breaks stuff.

Obviously they never had the guts to actually do so :)

Re:Its useful to update version numbers... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25354437)

Why off-topic has he is on-topic? Has he express his opinion on the numbering of this new version with an anecdote. Continuing on the question of "Linux Format" about if the version can or can't be a 3.0...

OOXML (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25354021)

How could they possibly implement OOXML support in OpenOffice? We've been hearing over and over how the OOXML spec is so convoluted and ill-specified that it is impossible for anyone but Microsoft to implement!

Re:OOXML (1)

rodrigoandrade (713371) | about 6 years ago | (#25354055)

It's a MS technology, so likely it'll soon become an imposed standard. ActiveX anyone??

Re:OOXML (4, Insightful)

waferhead (557795) | about 6 years ago | (#25354095)

"How could they possibly implement OOXML support in OpenOffice? We've been hearing over and over how the OOXML spec is so convoluted and ill-specified that it is impossible for anyone but Microsoft to implement!"

I know you're a troll, but I'll bite back...

This may be be the first actual OOXML IMPLEMENTATION in a release version of ANY office suite... ;-)

Re:OOXML (3, Insightful)

jcupitt65 (68879) | about 6 years ago | (#25354157)

A basic level of OOXML support is pretty easy (you can base something off the existing .doc importers), a complete implementation is very, very hard.

People say that it's a bogus standard because no one but Microsoft can really ever claim to have 100% compatibility.

Re:OOXML (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25354291)

Except Microsoft isn't even compatible...

Re:OOXML (1)

abigsmurf (919188) | about 6 years ago | (#25354811)

People say that it's a bogus standard because no one but Microsoft can really ever claim to have 100% compatibility.

The W3C's been churning out bogus standards for years then :P

Re:OOXML (5, Informative)

Clueless Nick (883532) | about 6 years ago | (#25354329)

The Linux Format article says it can import docx, pptx etc., which means they are Microsoft Office 2007 XML files, and not OOXML, the Published Standard.

Flawed summary.

I'll wait a few days for fixes (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25354047)

In a few days 3.01, 3.02 and 3.03 will be coming out, so I'll wait for those fixes to come out before I put down my hard-earned money

Re:I'll wait a few days for fixes (1)

pagaboy (1029878) | about 6 years ago | (#25354113)

Hope you get a nice cheap deal!

Re:I'll wait a few days for fixes (1)

Chatterton (228704) | about 6 years ago | (#25354327)

I know that your money go 'POOOF' with the financial crisis. But is $0 too much for you that you must ask for a budget line, having the autorisation of the financial authority before contracting a negotiation with an http/ftp server to buy the product ?

Re:I'll wait a few days for fixes (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25354463)

You jest, but $0 here, $0 there might start to add up. Sure it's not much money to some, but unlike many other computer users I already spent $0 on my operating system, $0 on my DVR software, and $0 on nearly every application I run. Now OOo is asking for yet another $0 just to run their little "Office suite".

Re:I'll wait a few days for fixes (1)

Chatterton (228704) | about 6 years ago | (#25354489)

Ok, I must admit that could add in the end :D

Re:I'll wait a few days for fixes (4, Funny)

dreamchaser (49529) | about 6 years ago | (#25354557)

You're the reason the economy is tanking! You must consume and spend lots of money! All this irresponsible zero expenditures are the cause of all our woes! Oh I'm sure the overspending by Congress plays a small role, but you are just plain EVIL!!!

Re:I'll wait a few days for fixes (2, Funny)

dmbasso (1052166) | about 6 years ago | (#25354895)

I'd like to moderate you "+2 Insightful+Funny" :)

Re:I'll wait a few days for fixes (1)

kamochan (883582) | about 6 years ago | (#25354631)

What's the difference between 3.01 and 3.1? A big, fat zero?

Best feature for me? (3, Insightful)

apodyopsis (1048476) | about 6 years ago | (#25354085)

Best feature for me? New support for viewing a document as two pages side by side on the screen.

That alone for me is worth the upgrade for me, as I can now see two full size A4 pages on my monitor at home whilst typing. Thanks guys! that was a major annoyance with me.

OOXML *is* controversial and I expect a flame war - but they have read-only and I suspect it is a justified inclusion simply to keep abreast of current MS Office and help encourage adoption. I predict MS will be coming out with lots of new versions of this format, so lets see them keep pace....

Re:Best feature for me? (3, Interesting)

JasterBobaMereel (1102861) | about 6 years ago | (#25354159)

Ah OOXML support - So now even though I have licences for 4 different versions of MS Office I can now only read the documents people send me, by using a free program..... don't you just love Microsoft ....

Re:Best feature for me? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25354399)

even though I have licences for 4 different versions of MS Office I can now only read the documents people send me, by using a free program

This might be more down to your own lack of knowledge [microsoft.com] than any failing of Microsoft.

Re:Best feature for me? (1)

EvilRyry (1025309) | about 6 years ago | (#25355337)

Which is why Microsoft has that free addon for MS office 2000+ that allows you to read and write MSOOXML. And no, I really do hate Microsoft.

Re:Best feature for me? (3, Insightful)

Penguinisto (415985) | about 6 years ago | (#25354343)

Hell, .docx can't be opened by half of a typical office staff now, even sans OOo (you know, where the execs and wannabes thereof rush out and get/requisition MS Office 2k7, but the rest of the office gets by on Office 2k3? Yep - I know there's patches for it, but apparently MSFT hadn't bothered to push it via Windows Update... I think they're kinda torn between wanting to sell 2k7 licenses and trying to push the format.)

Even now, any document that you want to send outside of the company or for others' use, you send in "Office 97-2003" (plain ol' .doc) just to make sure the recipient has at least some hope of reading the thing... I just do PDF; makes it easier all around.

To be honest, read-only of the .docx format is all that OOo actually needs. Then if you get a file ending in .docx, you send back the changes in PDF, then watch as the recipient gets all red-faced and demands to know why you did that (evil grin).

Methinks it'll come to a head sooner or later.

/P

Re:Best feature for me? (1)

Anonymous Conrad (600139) | about 6 years ago | (#25355237)

Yep - I know there's patches for it, but apparently MSFT hadn't bothered to push it via Windows Update... I think they're kinda torn between wanting to sell 2k7 licenses and trying to push the format.)

Actually Office 2003 will give you an explanation prompt and the URL to download the format convertors from when you try to open an Office 2007 document.

Old news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25354109)

The list of mirrors was already up somewhere. I've been using this stuff for a week. ;p

Faster loading? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25354125)

Have they addressed the painfully slow loading times? That is the biggest problem with OOo from my point of view.

Re:Faster loading? (1)

LingNoi (1066278) | about 6 years ago | (#25354251)

It's because you haven't configured your memory settings in OOo correctly otherwise it'd load almost instantly.

Re:Faster loading? (1)

Chrisq (894406) | about 6 years ago | (#25354341)

I think he is probably referring to the time to load a large complex writer document, which though it was a lot faster in the 2.x releases than 1.x is still slower than word.

Re:Faster loading? (2, Insightful)

ozphx (1061292) | about 6 years ago | (#25354401)

Sounds like the default settings suck.

Its a fucking word processor - you shouldn't have to nergle your snerds correctly to get it working.

Re:Faster loading? (1)

LingNoi (1066278) | about 6 years ago | (#25355239)

You're right, OOo should release two versions, one for old computers and one for newer computers.

Startup time seems fixed (3, Informative)

davide marney (231845) | about 6 years ago | (#25354583)

On a stock Dell low-end Dimension C521 running Vista Business, Open Office Writer loads in 9 seconds the first time, and in 1 second thereafter. Not really an issue anymore. Most of my apps take 5-10 seconds to start on this box.

Native Aqua support (1)

pbulteel73 (559845) | about 6 years ago | (#25354247)

Finally! I can now recommend it to all my Mac friends.

-P

Re:Native Aqua support (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25354577)

I'm really looking forward to trying this out, as I've been using NeoOffice on my Mac until now. It'd be nice to go back to the "official" OpenOffice instead. Not for any technical reason really, as NeoOffice quite simply "just works", but more for the warm fuzzy feeling of using OpenOffice proper.

Re:Native Aqua support (1)

Teilo (91279) | about 6 years ago | (#25354923)

I've been using the betas of 3.0 on my Mac for a while now. I invariably have switched back to NeoOffice. I will still likely stay away from the official build, because there are too many things still broken, most notably fonts.

I tend to use a number of large OpenType font families, such as Warnock or Minion. For whatever reason, OOo 3.0 has serious trouble with them. It gets the styles mixed up constantly. Regular comes out as Italic. NeoOffice just plain works and does not have these issues. (Yes, I filed a bug.)

Patrick has put so much work into making NeoOffice work like a Mac application should — work with which the official build will likely never catch up. Windows behave as expected. Tool windows look like tool windows, not document windows. Command-~ switching works properly. The regular File, Edit, Tools, etc. menus are still there even when no documents are open. (In OOo, the Recent Documents menu goes away once you close all open documents.) Printing and fonts are far more integrated. The native Mac Media Browser is integrated. Leopard grammar checker support is integrated. To top it all off, the screen drawing code in NeoOffice has been reimplemented as native Mac code instead of hacked into place. As a result the windows and documents redraw several times faster than OOo. In fact, almost everything is faster in NeoOffice than in OOo. Add this to the fact that NeoOffice has backported the MS Office 2007 filters, and VBA support, and I really have no compelling reason to switch.

And, work on NeoOffice 3.0 is well under way.

I tell you, the people over at Sun who shun Patrick and his work are cutting off their nose to spite their face.

Hardly Impressive (1, Funny)

sleeponthemic (1253494) | about 6 years ago | (#25354503)

I "squeeze out a new release" several times a day. From different repositories, too.

Re:Hardly Impressive (2, Funny)

moderatorrater (1095745) | about 6 years ago | (#25354873)

Yeah, but you don't make it publicly available via http, ftp and torrent.

Re:Hardly Impressive (0)

mrpacmanjel (38218) | about 6 years ago | (#25355291)

.."squeeze out a new release...several times a day.."

Wow, maybe you should see a doctor!

Ohhhh, you meant software...sorry.

Mind you Microsoft have .."squeezed out" a few releases (it would explain a lot!)

Writer (2, Interesting)

motang (1266566) | about 6 years ago | (#25354549)

Well I only use the Writer for majority of the time and I really welcome all the nifty changes that are in place. Good thing it is finally released, so when will the Linux distributions start to update OO 2.x to 00 3.0?

Re:Writer (2, Interesting)

Knuckles (8964) | about 6 years ago | (#25354735)

Depends on the dates of their next releases, I would think. Ubuntu 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex) might have a fighting chance to have it included in its release at the end of October, there are already testing previews (ppa's). But then, 8.10 is an in-between release that does not promise maximum correctness, so they can afford to take some risks.

Re:Writer (1)

Koohoolinn (721622) | about 6 years ago | (#25355335)

Mandriva 2009, which was released last week, already includes a very late release candidate and then will soon provide the update to the final release. Source [mandriva.com]

Is it worth getting instead of Office? (1)

MoeDrippins (769977) | about 6 years ago | (#25354787)

I work for a company that buys me MS Office. Given that I am out $0.00 for either OO or MSO, is it worth giving this a try?

Re:Is it worth getting instead of Office? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25354863)

Stop asking slashdot and just download and install it yourself. The time it takes to install it is the time it took for you to write that and the time it takes for you to reply to this.

Best Feature? Improved Mac support. (1)

mathx314 (1365325) | about 6 years ago | (#25355067)

I didn't RTFA (the Linux one) on account of being slashdotted, but I'd presume based on the summary that they don't think 3.0 is a big leap forward. I'm not surprised, since they're not on Mac. As a recent Mac convert, I was incredibly disappointed that OO.o, my favorite office suite, was very bad on this OS for version 2.x, on account of running in a very slow and ugly X11 window. The new version runs locally, meaning that I can finally return to using the suite I know and love.

Still Has The 6.5-Year-Old Lethal Bug? (3, Interesting)

occamboy (583175) | about 6 years ago | (#25355263)

I registered a bug with OO 6.5 years ago [openoffice.org] , still unfixed, that causes spreadsheets to give utterly wrong results in even the simplest calculations. Sometimes OO treats a number as a string, and assigns it a value of "0" in calculations, e.g., 1+1 could equal 0 or 1.

Either OO should throw an error "can't treat a string as a number" or it should guess the number of the string is a valid number. But a major undetectable error like this is murderous, as has been testified to by the folks reporting the same bug after I did.

(Note the OO bug tracker seems to be having problems at this moment, so the link doesn't work.)

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