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President Signs Law Creating Copyright Czar

kdawson posted about 6 years ago | from the ip-con dept.

Government 555

I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "President Bush has signed the EIPRA (AKA the PRO-IP Act) and created a cabinet-level post of 'Copyright Czar,' on par with the current 'Drug Czar,' in spite of prior misgivings about the bill. They did at least get rid of provisions that would have had the DOJ take over the RIAA's unpopular litigation campaign. Still, the final legislation (PDF) creates new classes of felony criminal copyright infringement, adds civil forfeiture provisions that incorporate by reference parts of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970, and directs the Copyright Czar to lobby foreign governments to adopt stronger IP laws. At this point, our best hope would appear to be to hope that someone sensible like Laurence Lessig or William Patry gets appointed."

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Fist Prose (-1, Troll)

sexconker (1179573) | about 6 years ago | (#25363189)

Fist Prose.

Also, this seriously sucks.
What countries should I consider moving to?

Re:Fist Prose (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25363209)

Might consider Canada depending on how the election goes tomorrow.

Just don't bring your pen and ink to border. (1, Interesting)

twitter (104583) | about 6 years ago | (#25363627)

How much worse can it be than this, where an artist was detained for her pen and ink drawings [slashdot.org] ? It's like they trained up the border patrol for the inevitable rubber stamp.

Re:Just don't bring your pen and ink to border. (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | about 6 years ago | (#25363807)

In case you haven't noticed, Immigration and Customs enforcement have also been delegated to handle all of the child porn black-ops as well. We're talking nationwide, interstate trojans-on-your-computer enforcement and not just border searches. They are the sixth reich.

Re:Fist Prose (0, Offtopic)

Krneki (1192201) | about 6 years ago | (#25363221)

Caribbean Islands, hhaarrrr!

Re:Fist Prose (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25363229)

1. Countries without extradition treaties to the US, as the act makes pirating a criminal offense - one that you can be extradited for.
2. Countries without friendly relations with the US, as part of this act involves convincing other nations to join.

That's about it on requirements, I think...

On a serious note, it's nice to know that with the economy in the crapper, rather than trying to correct problems with the US banking system, they've instead decided that the US's biggest concern is people downloading MP3s.

Uh, no. The US probably wants to forget that the industrial revolution started in the US thanks to one massive effort in corporate espionage. Cracking down heavily on IP actually harms the economy.

The US has signed its death warrant, again. This act can only hurt the economy, and it really doesn't need to be kicked while its down.

Re:Fist Prose (0)

Lumpy (12016) | about 6 years ago | (#25363467)

No it's just that GW Bush wants to be the last president in history.

The USA will implode in upon it's self Dec 31'st. We will be a giant swirling sink hole between Canada and Mexico.

Re:Fist Prose (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25363531)

No it's just that GW Bush wants to be the last president in history.

The USA will implode in upon it's self Dec 31'st. We will be a giant swirling sink hole between Canada and Mexico.

That's not certain yet.

Obama could still lose.

Re:Fist Prose (0)

grcumb (781340) | about 6 years ago | (#25363575)

The USA will implode in upon it's self Dec 31'st. We will be a giant swirling sink hole between Canada and Mexico.

Jeez, you mean Perot was right? There really is a giant sucking sound [wikipedia.org] ?

Now you're really scaring me.

Re:Fist Prose (5, Funny)

owlnation (858981) | about 6 years ago | (#25363235)

Don't worry, look how successful the Drugs Czar is. Money well spent.

Re:Fist Prose (2, Insightful)

arstchnca (887141) | about 6 years ago | (#25363255)

I'll bet he thinks so while he's driving around in his car(s).

Re:Fist Prose (1)

Cheerio Boy (82178) | about 6 years ago | (#25363567)

Posting to remove accidental mis-mod.

Re:Fist Prose (3, Insightful)

QuantumG (50515) | about 6 years ago | (#25363285)

They are successful. So long as you remember that the goal is to make the police force so big that a dictator can rely on them to keep the population in check.

BTW, if we weren't all criminals yesterday, and we're aren't all criminals now, you can be sure we will all be criminals soon.

Re:Fist Prose (1)

moniker127 (1290002) | about 6 years ago | (#25363325)

I thought the goal of the police force was to make money?

Re:Fist Prose (4, Insightful)

ScrewMaster (602015) | about 6 years ago | (#25363339)

They are successful. So long as you remember that the goal is to make the police force so big that a dictator can rely on them to keep the population in check.

BTW, if we weren't all criminals yesterday, and we're aren't all criminals now, you can be sure we will all be criminals soon.

We've all been criminals for a long, long time. It's just that nobody has bothered to prosecute us yet.

Re:Fist Prose (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25363661)

look what the (RI|MP)AA got! Money well spent.

Re:Fist Prose (4, Funny)

ChromeAeonium (1026952) | about 6 years ago | (#25363671)

The Russian czar was eventually replaced by communists who believed in free stuff for all.

Open source advocates believe in free software for all, and will likely try to destroy the position of Copyright Czar.

This isn't just money wasting legislation, someone has actually set up a very elaborate experiment to test if history repeats itself under controlled conditions.

Re:Fist Prose (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25363839)

I thought the same thing! But look at how much of our taxes go to fund that absolutely unwinable stupid war on drugs. It's supply and demand, and we've got so much demand that there is no way it'll ever be stopped. Now, if you let some farmers grow it, and taxed the hell out of it, the farmers and the government would be making the cash, instead of some more nefarious groups.

Several years back, when there seemed like a groundswell to legalize marijuana, I told my wife it'd never happen. If you grow/sell marijuana and make many millions of dollars off essentially a weed, wouldn't you be tempted to spend a few millions on "anti-drug" ads on American TV to ensure your profits? If everyone could grow pot in their yards...the cost would be about $1 a pound, so a few million donated to antidrug campaigns is well spent by the growers and dealers.

Re:Fist Prose (5, Funny)

boarder8925 (714555) | about 6 years ago | (#25363239)

What countries should I consider moving to?

Ones that don't have extradition agreements with the United States.

Re:Fist Prose (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25363411)

Curiously, I think this includes Norway. As far as I remember we don't extradite to countries with a death penalty, even when it's not a possible punishment for the crime in question.

We're also considering a flat fee and making file sharing legal, but until that happens it's still not very risky here - you'll be safe unless you run a FTP ring or something.

not making money off "criminal" behavior? (1)

v1 (525388) | about 6 years ago | (#25363673)

For it to be considered "criminal", they would most likely have to show you are making a profit on your pirating, such as selling burned copies of IronMan at a streetcorner stand or something like that on a larger scale.

Most IP infringement occurs between groups such as those on piratebay, none of which make any money (profit) from the infringement. I wonder where we can find some actual real numbers that tell what percentage of copyright violation is for profit or not, or honest numbers as to what the cost of 'casual piracy' is? (specifically, numbers that don't automatically assume every copy made costs the artists 100% of the retail cost of the item)

Re:Fist Prose (1)

aplusjimages (939458) | about 6 years ago | (#25363849)

Man that's a lot of trouble to go through just because I downloaded Celine Dion's "My Heart Will Go On".

Re:Fist Prose (1)

timmarhy (659436) | about 6 years ago | (#25363345)

any country you moved to that they could extradite you from is going to be more of a hell hole than just staying in the USA.

Re:Fist Prose (4, Insightful)

Foobar of Borg (690622) | about 6 years ago | (#25363377)

any country you moved to that they could extradite you from is going to be more of a hell hole than just staying in the USA.

Said the geek who has rarely left his mother's basement, let alone the USA.

Re:Fist Prose (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25363611)

I think the OP got the words mixed up, but he's probably right either way.

Most of the countries that don't extradite to the US aren't that great. We're talking about countries like Rwanda, Botswana, Sudan, Senegal, Saudi Arabia, etc. Mostly countries that have median incomes a fraction of the United States', have rampant wars, or are ultra-religious theocracies. Have fun. I'll stick with the US for now.

On the other hand, countries that will extradite to the US are likely headed the same way as the US anyway, so might as well stay here because at least we're wealthy from when we were a super power. That's probably going to be changing soon, but for the time being you're probably better off just hoping you don't get caught.

Re:Fist Prose (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25363347)

Sorry, but I have a copyright on all combinations and permutations of both Hand and Fist Prose.
I suggest that you find another country soon because the Czar is coming after you.

USA + Bush = FAIL (0, Troll)

Macfox (50100) | about 6 years ago | (#25363237)

Your government is out of control. Perfect timing. This will get zero media attention.

Re:USA + Bush = FAIL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25363279)

You are an idiot. You clearly have no idea how the US gov't works. Please refrain from expressing anymore stupid opinions until you have educated yourself.

Re:USA + Bush = FAIL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25363619)

Please refrain from voting in anymore stupid presidents until you have educated yourself.

There... Fixed that for you.

Re:USA + Bush = FAIL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25363725)

this is the usa!, neither side can avoid the vote-blind demographic. Please vote for "x".

I am anonymous coward, and I approve this message.

Re:USA + Bush = FAIL (5, Informative)

TubeSteak (669689) | about 6 years ago | (#25363369)

Your government is out of control. Perfect timing. This will get zero media attention.

In the subject, you name Bush.
In your post, you name "your government"

Guess what, they are not one and the same.
Bush has issued 12 vetoes during 8 years.
4 of those vetoes were overridden.

The blame for this rests on the Senators and Congressmen who allowed themselves to be lobbied into passing such industry serving legislation.

Re:USA + Bush = FAIL (4, Insightful)

arth1 (260657) | about 6 years ago | (#25363527)

The blame for this rests on the Senators and Congressmen who allowed themselves to be lobbied into passing such industry serving legislation.

No, let's be fair. The blame is with those who voted them in.

Fellow people of the United States of America: You do a horrible job of voting. I don't expect clairvoyance, but I do expect you to see past the fit of the suit and the quality of the dentistry.
And when you make a wrong choice, I do expect you to take responsibility for having voted in the evil-doers.

Re:USA + Bush = FAIL (4, Interesting)

tepples (727027) | about 6 years ago | (#25363813)

No, let's be fair. The blame is with those who voted them in.

I didn't vote for Bush in 2004, nor did I vote for Rep. Mark Souder (R-IN) in 2006. What should I have done, other than vote for other candidates and encourage friends and family members to do the same?

Re:USA + Bush = FAIL (3, Insightful)

cheater512 (783349) | about 6 years ago | (#25363841)

The problem is that both sides are equally bad.
No matter who they vote for, they are screwed.

Oh well. Doesnt affect Australia *too* much. :D

Re:USA + Bush = FAIL (5, Funny)

russ1337 (938915) | about 6 years ago | (#25363541)

Bush is like Ronald McDonald.

When I get a bad Cheesburger, I don't blame the Server, I dont blame the Cook, I don't blame the store manager. No I blame Ronald. He is the figurehead that represents everthing about McDonalds so he is to blame. Also, when I get nice tasty fresh fries, he gets my high-five.

When the Government is out of control, the President is accountable. Just like Ronald.

Re:USA + Bush = FAIL (1)

Phantom of the Opera (1867) | about 6 years ago | (#25363615)

Mod Parent up! Love the analogy.

I'll never misunderestimate Ronald again.

Re:USA + Bush = FAIL (5, Insightful)

The Grim Reefer2 (1195989) | about 6 years ago | (#25363719)

Bush is like Ronald McDonald.

When I get a bad Cheesburger, I don't blame the Server, I dont blame the Cook, I don't blame the store manager. No I blame Ronald. He is the figurehead that represents everthing about McDonalds so he is to blame. Also, when I get nice tasty fresh fries, he gets my high-five.

When the Government is out of control, the President is accountable. Just like Ronald.

So instead of faulting anyone who had a hand in the making of your cheeseburger, you place the blame solely on a fictional clown that was invented by marketing people? That's an interesting philosophy you have.

Re:USA + Bush = FAIL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25363545)

I think he meant that our government is "currently" out of control. So yes, that's Bush.

Re:USA + Bush = FAIL (5, Insightful)

Repton (60818) | about 6 years ago | (#25363641)

The world: America, you've got a corrupt lunatic for a president. You suck!

America: Actually, half the stupid stuff we do is because our senators and congressmen are corrupt lunatics too.

The world: Uhh...

Re:USA + Bush = FAIL (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | about 6 years ago | (#25363741)

America: No really! We didn't vote them! It was all Diebold! Honest injun!

the world: Damn. You guys need to lay off the drugs. Seriously.

Re:USA + Bush = FAIL (1)

nomadic (141991) | about 6 years ago | (#25363773)

The blame for this rests on the Senators and Congressmen who allowed themselves to be lobbied into passing such industry serving legislation.

Probably going to provoke some outrage here, but while I agree this legislation is problematic and don't believe it should have been passed, I can understand what a lot of congresspeople would have been thinking.

Let's be honest here: our country has lost its manufacturing base. Our financial base took a huge hit, and even a lot of those companies had already evolved from American corporations to international ones. The eternal optimists here and other places predict a glorious service-based economy, but on a global level that's self-destructive; you can't have a sustainable economy where people just sell hamburgers to each other without actually producing something worthwhile.

The only thing we're really still successful at in terms of exports is entertainment. Widespread illegal copying can kill that. In a lot of countries it's already killed that.

Re:USA + Bush = FAIL (1)

jlarocco (851450) | about 6 years ago | (#25363851)

Sad but true.

There's no better proof that both major parties are in the pocket of business than the Wall Street bail out. They'll dick around forever discussing education or health care or public safety, or any other bullshit. But try getting an extra billion dollars for education. Never happen. It'd take the better part of a decade, and you'd be lucky to come away with $100 million.

But suddenly their lobbiest funding is at risk, and they can't throw money at the problem fast enough. $850 billion, backed by both parties, in less than a week. Amazing.

That's why it's so important to keep the government as small as possible.

Curious but too lazy to read 63 pages of legalese (0)

philspear (1142299) | about 6 years ago | (#25363251)

I don't really have time to do a proper investigation on my own, so I'll just ask: What does one have to do to get a felony charge under this, and what does it take to get your computer seized?

Possibly optimistic assumption that Sally Ipod ripping a Flo-Rida album won't get charged with a felony, but might get her computer siezed.

Re:Curious but too lazy to read 63 pages of legale (1)

davester666 (731373) | about 6 years ago | (#25363535)

Why, do a single P2P transfer of even part of a movie that is copyright by a member of the MPAA OR a song that is copyrihgt by a member of the RIAA.

You are still free to trade the movies or songs of small, independent labels.

This czar ONLY deals with IP of company's with a market cap of over $500 million.

Re:Curious but too lazy to read 63 pages of legale (1)

philspear (1142299) | about 6 years ago | (#25363653)

Why, do a single P2P transfer of even part of a movie that is copyright by a member of the MPAA OR a song that is copyrihgt by a member of the RIAA.

I'm not sure I understand. Was the comma supposed to be there?

You're asking why I would download a movie that was MPAA or song that was RIAA? Well, I don't download music or movies, that's for people who have personal time. So we're not talking about me.

If I did have time, I wouldn't be interested in indie movies or songs mostly because I wouldn't know of them unless I went searching for them, which sounds like a lot of work to go through to be entertained. Even then, I would hear songs or hear about movies I would like that are owned by the MPAA or RIAA. I can't change my tastes based on who owns what, that's ridiculous.

Re:Curious but too lazy to read 63 pages of legale (1)

TechMadJack (1384785) | about 6 years ago | (#25363777)

It means anything George the 2nd wants it to. You can't tell b/c that's how they want it, the subject, amongst all the 'whereas not withstandings' and 'subsection A redesignated as subsection b', 'striking x/whatever/whoever and inserting y/whoever' so that you don't know what it means unless you read ALL it's predecessors, the word 'felony' seems to be the active change in wording from 'offense' to 'is a felony offense', aka anything they decide to pursue will be a felony. (a) IN GENERAL.--Section 503(a) of title 17, United 15 States Code, is amended to read as follows: 16 ''(a)(1) At any time while an action under this title 17 is pending, the court may order the impounding, on such 18 terms as it may deem reasonable-- 19 ''(A) of all copies or phonorecords claimed to 20 have been made or used in violation of the exclusive 21 right of the copyright owner; 22 ''(B) of all plates, molds, matrices, masters, 23 tapes, film negatives, or other articles by means of 24 which such copies of phonorecords may be repro25 duced; and 6 O:\GRA\GRA08B64.xml S.L.C. 1 ''(C) of records documenting the manufacture, 2 sale, or receipt of things involved in any such viola3 tion, provided that any records seized under this 4 subparagraph shall be taken into the custody of the 5 court." Which means they can impound your computer AND all your discs anytime the MPAA and RIAA feel like coming after you, though it'll prolly only be if you attract major attention to yourself by putting your entire music & video library on YouTube for everyone to download, or more likely Only If the label in question is targeting copies of specific albums or movies, they don't have time to chase down every Joe & Jane mp3er that rips a cd (Notice, for example, how WB DRM encodes every DVD & CD it presses, while most others don't even bother. Though, with WMP 11's spyware, that could change....) "For purposes of this title, the term ''intellectual prop11 erty enforcement'' means matters relating to the enforce12 ment of laws protecting copyrights, patents, trademarks, 13 other forms of intellectual property, and trade secrets, 14 both in the United States and abroad, including in par15 ticular matters relating to combating counterfeit and in16 fringed goods." Which, especially while it's so new a thing to the beaureaucracy, it can mean what whomever is making the decisions wants it to mean. Just as it always has. Lawyers wrote it, and lawyers will decide who gets gone after. Though, except for changing 'offense' to 'felony offense' and adding the undefined 'intellectual property' to the general category of more substantial (aka actual material goods), it doesn't seem to do anything except satisfy the lawyers so that they can go and satisfy their clients that they're on top of things. The only substantial section in this refers to: " ''The Secretary of Homeland Security shall issue regula23 tions by which any performer may, upon payment of a 24 specified fee, be entitled to notification by United States 25 Customs and Border Protection of the importation of cop14 O:\GRA\GRA08B64.xml S.L.C. 1 ies or phonorecords that appear to consist of unauthorized 2 fixations of the sounds or sounds and images of a live mu3 sical performance.''. Importation? That would be difficult to apply, at best. And Customs has bigger fish to fry than GI Joe coming home with bootleg tapes (or now CDs) he bought from a music store in Dubai or Qatar while on liberty during a deployment overseas; back when cassettes were the preferred media, EVERY copy you could lay your hands on over there was an illegal copy. I don't know of any occurrence where Customs officials actually went through the belongings of an entire troop or ship's company and confiscated every tape or disc that was clearly not pressed by the label. In sum, it's just more legalese to make conditions mean whatever they want when the time is right. Cuz there are far too many little fish in the sea to even begin to take them all on and deprive everyone of our PCs, MP3 players, and all our files and copies.

Re:Curious but too lazy to read 63 pages of legale (1)

TechMadJack (1384785) | about 6 years ago | (#25363855)

btw, all, sorry about the format, just copied and pasted the pertinent sections w/o editing.

war in infringement (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25363259)

is your neighbor a pirateist? call the department of copyright infringement today!

Re:war in infringement (1)

Cheerio Boy (82178) | about 6 years ago | (#25363599)

is your neighbor a pirateist? call the department of copyright infringement today!

We prefer Piratologists.

Perfect. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25363265)

This is excellent news. As the law drifts farther and farther from practice, it brings the entire dysfunctional system closer to collapse.

Re:Perfect. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25363319)

So the suffering endured between now and then is perfectly acceptable?

Czar (4, Funny)

religious freak (1005821) | about 6 years ago | (#25363269)

Ok, outside the copyright debate, am I the only one that is extremely skeptical when someone is the "czar" of something? What the hell does that actually mean, and what can they actually do?

If it doesn't sound like an utterly useless, powerless post, it sounds like we should be running for our lives from this all powerful czar - neither is particularly good, from my perspective.

Re:Czar (5, Informative)

Foobar of Borg (690622) | about 6 years ago | (#25363349)

Ok, outside the copyright debate, am I the only one that is extremely skeptical when someone is the "czar" of something? What the hell does that actually mean, and what can they actually do?

Establish a secret police to rout all revolutionaries and anti-royalists. Establish a serfdom and enforce it with an iron fist. Confiscate the property of radicals and starve them and their families. Get lined up against a wall and shot when the revolution comes.

Re:Czar (3, Insightful)

ScrewMaster (602015) | about 6 years ago | (#25363481)

Ok, outside the copyright debate, am I the only one that is extremely skeptical when someone is the "czar" of something? What the hell does that actually mean, and what can they actually do?

Establish a secret police to rout all revolutionaries and anti-royalists. Establish a serfdom and enforce it with an iron fist. Confiscate the property of radicals and starve them and their families. Get lined up against a wall and shot when the revolution comes.

{sigh} unfortunately, we're talking about an unelected bureaucrat, not a real Czar.

So, this guy won't get shot, much as he'll probably deserve to be. He'll be in office until the next President fires his happy little ass and installs a new model.

The people responsible for this travesty won't suffer at all. That's the downside of being a civilized nation. How does the joke go? "Some people are alive only because it is illegal to kill them."

Re:Czar (1)

moxley (895517) | about 6 years ago | (#25363745)

Can you repeat that last sentence...uh, several times???.....It just feels so good to think about these kleptocratic oligarch-pig-fellators being shot.

Re:Czar (4, Funny)

meringuoid (568297) | about 6 years ago | (#25363379)

Ok, outside the copyright debate, am I the only one that is extremely skeptical when someone is the "czar" of something? What the hell does that actually mean, and what can they actually do?

They get shot, bayonetted, dunked in an acid bath, then thrown down a mineshaft, by Communists.

A spectre is haunting America - the spectre of Piracy ;-)

Re:Czar (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | about 6 years ago | (#25363489)

Ok, outside the copyright debate, am I the only one that is extremely skeptical when someone is the "czar" of something? What the hell does that actually mean, and what can they actually do?

They get shot, bayonetted, dunked in an acid bath, then thrown down a mineshaft, by Communists.

A spectre is haunting America - the spectre of Piracy ;-)

Actually, it's the specter of fascism ... corpratism at its finest. I wonder who will be selected to serve in this post as the anti-geek?

Re:Czar (5, Insightful)

Jafafa Hots (580169) | about 6 years ago | (#25363763)

I've said it before, I'll say it again. When hundreds of millions of children can "manufacture and distribute" copies of works more easily than they can tie their shoes, with no cost to themselves, then the only way to stop it is with a government powerful enough to know when they do it and stop them or prosecute them.

The only government that could have such power is a global totalitarian state. I used to use that as an argument for why copyright law cannot be enforced.

Now we have a copyright "czar," felony charges, and a push for global synchronicity of copyright laws... why am I not comforted?

Re:Czar (2, Insightful)

Nimey (114278) | about 6 years ago | (#25363453)

It means we've got another unaccountable political appointee running things.

Re:Czar (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about 6 years ago | (#25363479)

It means they get a 6 figure income and a great parking spot for doing absolutely nothing of value.

Re:Czar (4, Informative)

MrBigInThePants (624986) | about 6 years ago | (#25363517)

Because departments tend to be ultra-introverts and power crazy zealots a "Czar" is sometimes created to cross these boundaries to encourage (and enforce) cooperation to a common goal. (e.g. Drugs, terrorism and now copyright)

It has more impact and is (arguably) more cost-effective than creating a new department to carry out tasks which are the same as other departments. This also assumes that the departments will fail to work together effectively and squabble over funding and power.
Sometimes there is a double up. There is a department that deals with drugs specifically, so the Czar's main role would be to coordinate all the interested departments.

Re:Czar (1)

KingTank (631646) | about 6 years ago | (#25363709)

It means they have little to no oversight, and no checks or balances against them. Sort of like an actual czar.

What this looked like in the legislature: (3, Insightful)

CorporateSuit (1319461) | about 6 years ago | (#25363313)

All those who have already spent the large amounts of money placed conveniently on their doorsteps from an "Anonymous DonoRIAA" last week, say "Aye" -- any opposed? The Ayes have it. Send it to the president!

It's easy to start a grassroots campaign to get a new bill instated that will have this one eclipsed or overturned. We just need everyone we know to write letters to their congressmen -- Letters written on hundred dollar bills.

Re:What this looked like in the legislature: (2, Insightful)

nhtshot (198470) | about 6 years ago | (#25363383)

It's also easy to write prospective presidents and urge them to not appoint this position.

Civil damages require civil remediation. The governments job is to issue patents and copyrights, and provide a court system to litigate them within. Without regard to what I might think of the RIAA's tactics, they are at least using the system somewhat as intended. Civil damage, civil remedy.

Let's tell our leaders to be exactly what we think of these shenanigans.

Re:What this looked like in the legislature: (1)

QuantumG (50515) | about 6 years ago | (#25363451)

Civil damages require civil remediation.

wow, after all this, you're still a sucker.

What part of this is still beyond your comprehension? There is no damage. The only way the copyright owners can sell their warez is by creating artificial scarcity. They've failed to do this by consent. They've failed to do this by technological means. They've failed to do this by nefarious litigation. Now they've turned to criminal penalties. Soon the jackboots will be at the door.

Re:What this looked like in the legislature: (5, Interesting)

slashqwerty (1099091) | about 6 years ago | (#25363501)

We just need everyone we know to write letters to their congressmen -- Letters written on hundred dollar bills.

Why would politicians care about money? They are only allowed to use campaign contributions for their campaigns. What will their campaigns spend the money on? Publicity!

Who do you think lobbied congress for this law? It was the major media conglomerates that control 95% of all the media we are exposed to. What would happen to a politician that challenged the media? They would be torn apart in the press. This is why politicians always vote in favor of the media.

By the way, this bill went down just like the DMCA. Less than a month before a major election the bill came up for a vote. Virtually everyone in congress blindly voted for it with effectively no debate. The major media companies didn't publish anything on it.

In summary, congress did not vote for this law to get campaign contributions. They voted for it to keep the press from shafting them. Any attempt to persuade congress to create balanced copyrights will have to take that into consideration. This is not about campaign funds!

A far better option. (1)

jd (1658) | about 6 years ago | (#25363613)

Leave the bill in place, much as the amendment for Abolition was left in place, but supersede it. We already have an Internet Czar position (currently vacant). If said Czar were to regulate those who do the monitoring (the RIAA/MPAA and lackeys thereof), say by banning their access to the Internet, the bill can remain in place and harm no-one.

and back in the real world (3, Insightful)

westlake (615356) | about 6 years ago | (#25363783)

It's easy to start a grassroots campaign to get a new bill instated that will have this one eclipsed or overturned. We just need everyone we know to write letters to their congressmen -- Letters written on hundred dollar bills.
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The production budget for WALL-E was $180 million.

If you know a congressman who doesn't like to see hundreds of millions of dollars being invested in clean industry, skilled labor and high-paying jobs in his home district, I would very much like to meet him.

I doubt you are going to find him in California, New York, or Florida - not in this election and not in an economy where every export dollar matters.

Just like a Drug Czar eh? (4, Funny)

hurfy (735314) | about 6 years ago | (#25363331)

Does that mean copyrights will now be available on every street corner?

Whaddaya mean the wasn't the goal?

Re:Just like a Drug Czar eh? (2, Funny)

Widowwolf (779548) | about 6 years ago | (#25363357)

No no it means every street corner will be copyrighted. No making a song anymore, it could be a copyrighted street name!

Re:Just like a Drug Czar eh? (5, Insightful)

ScrewMaster (602015) | about 6 years ago | (#25363449)

Does that mean copyrights will now be available on every street corner?

Whaddaya mean the wasn't the goal?

Those who forget history and all that. Prohibition doesn't work, no matter what country you happen to find yourself. Well, it doesn't work in terms of forbidding access to products or services that the people really want. It may work when it comes to illegitimately extending government authority.

What this debacle should teach us (as if we didn't already know) is that the levels of corruption, malfeasance in office, and influence peddling in Congress are much higher than was previously thought. "Elected" leaders of banana republics whore themselves out in similar fashion, and really, not for much less money.

Depressing, really.

Re:Just like a Drug Czar eh? (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | about 6 years ago | (#25363761)

What this debacle should teach us (as if we didn't already know) is that the levels of corruption, malfeasance in office, and influence peddling in Congress are much higher than was previously thought. "Elected" leaders of banana republics whore themselves out in similar fashion, and really, not for much less money.

If you didn't already know this, you haven't been paying attention. Seriously.

So who do you vote for? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25363363)

McCain, the perpetual war, Bush Lite? OR Obama, who has the **AA polesmoker as his running mate? We're fucked.

Luckly... (1)

TheDarkMaster (1292526) | about 6 years ago | (#25363365)

... DMCA, pro-IP and others american bullshits laws means nothing on my country

Re:Luckly... (0)

ScrewMaster (602015) | about 6 years ago | (#25363401)

... DMCA, pro-IP and others american bullshits laws means nothing on my country

Yes! And fortunately for us, none of your country's "bullshits laws" mean squat over here.

So there.

*Middle Finger* (0, Troll)

Dragonshed (206590) | about 6 years ago | (#25363385)

Damn I hate my government so much.

How many copyright cases criminal court standards (1, Insightful)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | about 6 years ago | (#25363397)

How many copyright cases are at criminal court standards?

jury trial.

Just having a ip is weak evidence as they are many was for the ISP mess it up and tieing it people who don't have HSI but do have cable / digital cable and the CO may of some how tied to some one who was on the same node just like how you can see / pay for other people VOD / PPV.

Re:How many copyright cases criminal court standar (3, Informative)

QuantumG (50515) | about 6 years ago | (#25363555)

In criminal cases they send the police to kick down the door of the accused, and they present such evidence as "we caught him red handed".

They get the name and address of the accused, not by an absentee discovery order, but by a search warrant. Or, with new legislation that is likely to follow, by just looking up the data that ISPs are required to retain without even the need for a warrant.

This is what happens when you appoint a Czar.. a fuckin' WAR is declared and any allusions that people have about their rights go quickly out the window.

Re:How many copyright cases criminal court standar (4, Interesting)

ScrewMaster (602015) | about 6 years ago | (#25363825)

This is what happens when you appoint a Czar.. a fuckin' WAR is declared and any allusions that people have about their rights go quickly out the window.

Well, the only saving grace here is that the Justice Department (who, after all will be responsible for prosecuting these "cases") is dead set against it. As they said in their rather concise letter to Congress, they have better things to do with their time and our money.

All in all, I have the feeling this probably won't go anywhere. If they start successfully screwing over too many people it's going to be political dynamite. Most likely this is just a step up in the RIAA's terror campaign, "Okay, so maybe you weren't afraid of us, but we're betting that you're just terrified of the United States Federal Government, so there!" This is one of those things for which you're not going to find much popular support. Drug dealers? Sure, why not: nobody likes them (even if they are supposed to have the same civil liberties as everyone else.) But ... music lovers?! Huh. Just wait until all the voting public using P2P realize that they're now subject to criminal prosecution. It's gonna get ugly: they're making yet another run at Prohibition, and it didn't work the first time.

So, they'd better play this very carefully. Not too many people are aware of the DMCA, or it's implications ... but this is going to be different. It will have to be higher profile if it is going to have the desired effect: keeping it out of the public's eye won't do any good at all.

Who cares... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25363407)

As of a few weeks ago my country's future is tied to China and India, not the USA. Been nice knowing you guys. Have fun with the copyright stuff.

Re:Who cares... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25363565)

Irrelevant law, in a now irrelevant country. Sadly the free Chinese buffet has ended... Cheque please!

Civil Asset Forfeiture = Really Bad (5, Insightful)

corsec67 (627446) | about 6 years ago | (#25363421)

http://fear.org/ [fear.org]

Assets should only be forfeited when the owner of said assets has lost a case (civil or preferably criminal).

Cases such as "County of X against $10,000" are just wrong and evil, and should be in violation of the 4th Amendment.

Re:Civil Asset Forfeiture = Really Bad (1)

Ihmhi (1206036) | about 6 years ago | (#25363623)

Re:Civil Asset Forfeiture = Really Bad (1)

corsec67 (627446) | about 6 years ago | (#25363759)

I would actually go so far to say that police benefiting from tickets/seized assets will ALWAYS lead to corruption.

Forfeiture (1)

Drubber (60345) | about 6 years ago | (#25363445)

Great. Now they'll be able to seize your house for copyright infringement. Keep in mind that there are much lower thresholds in place now thanks to the drug laws put in place since the 80s.

Re:Forfeiture (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | about 6 years ago | (#25363579)

Great. Now they'll be able to seize your house for copyright infringement. Keep in mind that there are much lower thresholds in place now thanks to the drug laws put in place since the 80s.

Yeah. RICO and that.

Seems to me somebody with the proper skill- and mindset should crack an RIAA executive's home computer and stuff it with a few thousand illicit media files (preferably non-RIAA music, so they can't weasel out of it) and turn him in to the new "Czar". Maybe after a few of those assholes lose their property they'll think this over, particularly after they've been taken to the cleaners by a horde of angry indies.

This is such an out-and-out, in your face, absolutely blatant example of Congressional corruption that it just makes me want to throw up. It's amazing that they had the huevos to ram this through right smack in the middle of an even bigger demonstration of unbridled governmental quackery, the current banking crisis. Of course, maybe that's the point ... this will get lost in the shuffle, even though it's arguably just as serious with longer-term consequences.

Not as serious you say? When we've destroyed property rights to the degree where eminent domain can be used to transfer personal property to the private sector, and where the mere possession of music can result in the loss of one's home and assets ... well. I'd say we're in for a hell of a ride.

Christ. And we thought the War on Drugs was bad.

Is that two in a week? (2, Insightful)

WheelDweller (108946) | about 6 years ago | (#25363459)

Ya know, if this were Friday, this would make the second Czar appointed this week.

The Bailout Bill (AKA Death of Capitalism, Comrad) created a man, the Treasury Secretary with more power than the president: the power to, and I quote "Ensure the prosperity" of the American people.

I don't know what to tell ya; voting Republican doesn't stop this anymore, and voting democrat only makes it 100 times worse. MAN, I wish the media hadn't picked our candidate.

So, in short... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25363513)

"Bite the pillow, kids - it's goin' in dry."

As if parents needed another "war" to worry about (4, Insightful)

nightfire-unique (253895) | about 6 years ago | (#25363521)

With the war on drugs, the war on sex, the war on common sense, and now the war on "IP theft", the risk of raising a child in the US skyrocketing. :(

Young people often fundamentally don't understand the economic incentives, implications and justifications for copyright (regardless of whether or not they are still valid today). Couple that with very low purchasing power, and this new war-on-sharing is a disaster waiting to happen.

Mark my words. A lot of families will suffer terribly because of this.

Re:As if parents needed another "war" to worry abo (5, Funny)

jessica_alba (1234100) | about 6 years ago | (#25363755)

Young people often fundamentally don't understand the economic incentives

A public hanging of Santa Claus will teach the little bastards a thing or tw0.

Re:As if parents needed another "war" to worry abo (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | about 6 years ago | (#25363837)

I think it's time we all go to our local Congressman's house, ring the doorbell ... and piss on his foot.

They've sure been dumping on us lately.

America is dying (5, Funny)

rezalas (1227518) | about 6 years ago | (#25363563)

Hello mr. Constitution, my name was Paul. However, I was sued by the RIAA for infringing on their copyright of the letter "P" and now I'm known as inmate 5675. Unfortunately, God-King Bush said I also violated his copyright on free speech with my first letter so they took my Kidneys since I don't have anything left after my legs were taken for speaking against the media's word.

Country Suggestions? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25363621)

As the USA continues its bi-polar swing between Fascism and Marxism, I'm wondering if a country exists whose governments better balances the rights of the individual with the need of the population? I think I might need to move before they start setting up internment camps here.

Mission accomlished (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25363639)

Another mission accomplished by the wise and all knowing bush. Man i wish my country could have such an incompetent retard running it. O wait canada has steven harper who is Bush jr pretty much. Just when you thought it was unpossible for them to screw up the USA anymore HE DOES IT AGAIN!

I really hope the USA votes(or just have the supreme court spit in face of voters again and just elect whoever they feel even if the other person got well over 500k more votes) Mcain in so he can die in his first year and Palin can run the USA into complete ruin so that other nations learn that just cause the corrupt states of America do something does not mean they should just blindly follow what they do. After all they are not even a real democracy its a 2 party system or retarded n worthless tards who could not lead their way out of a paper bag let alone make good choices.

Unintended consequences. (4, Insightful)

cwsulliv (522390) | about 6 years ago | (#25363669)

The intention: Since very little is manufactured in the USA any more, one of the few things we have to sell to the outside world is our IP, so we have to protect it.

The Unintended Consequences: As Lawrence Lessig has pointed out, draconian copyright and patent laws are a strong disincentive to building on the works of others, so there will be less IP to sell.

I guess we're sunk.

what's next? (4, Insightful)

DragonTHC (208439) | about 6 years ago | (#25363707)

Are they going to make a fast food czar?

How about an SUV czar?

I mean, people are buying less SUVs than ever before, so we must have a cabinet level position to figure out how to get people to buy more SUVs right?

And people need to buy more fast food too. Let's create a cabinet position for that.

This is not unprecented. I mean, there's already a banking czar who is taking over the banks now.

Next will come the porn czar. "Sir, put your hands up and your penis back in your pants!"

Bush certainly is tying up the loose ends in the fascism loop ins't he?

You're kidding, right? (5, Insightful)

DogDude (805747) | about 6 years ago | (#25363833)

At this point, our best hope would appear to be to hope that someone sensible like Laurence Lessig or William Patry gets appointed

I hope you're kidding. In case you've been asleep for 8 years, the US has gone further and further towards Big Brother to the point where having our rights suspended in a city where there's a Republican National Convention is no longer shocking. Whoever is appointed to this post will be as dumb, vicious, and bloodthirsty as possible. I mean, really, do you think for a second that Dick Cheney and Karl Rove are going to appoint someone like Lessig?

No, they'll pick someone who is about law enforcement and headlines. Somebody who probably works or worked as a lawyer for the MPAA or RIAA. It's going to be a real shitstorm. Expect to see new, harsher mandatory sentence laws passed soon. There's money in prisons and fines!
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