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Apple Announces New MacBook, Pro, Air

kdawson posted about 6 years ago | from the must-have dept.

Portables (Apple) 774

Steve Jobs just got through announcing new MacBook lines in Cupertino. The MacBook, the Pro, and the Air all got revved. The old line of plastic-body MacBooks drops in price by $100, to $999. The new MacBooks have a metal body and multi-touch trackpad, just like the new Pros. The Pro features two NVidia graphics chips. Quoting Jobs: "With the 9400M, you get 5 hours of battery life, with the 9600M GT you get four hours of battery life. You choose." In summary: "We're building both [MacBook and Pro] in a whole new way. From a slab of aluminum to a notebook. New graphics. New trackpad, the best we've ever built. And LED-backlit displays that are far brighter, instant on, far more environmentally responsible." They are shipping today and should be in stores tomorrow. Oh, and one more thing: Steve's blood pressure is 110/70.

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But all glossy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25371753)

And goodbye DVI.

Re:But all glossy... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25371831)

The Mini DisplayPort is downsized from the full sized DVI connector. The Mini DisplayPort can drive everything the big DVI can (30-inch displays).

Re:But all glossy... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25372043)

The Mini DisplayPort is downsized from the full sized DVI connector. The Mini DisplayPort can drive everything the big DVI can (30-inch displays).

...if you buy the $30 adapter for it.

Re:But all glossy... (5, Insightful)

Cobalt Jacket (611660) | about 6 years ago | (#25372275)

Do you understand that DisplayPort is capable of more than DVI? I believe it surpasses HDMI as well. Furthermore, /.-ers should be overjoyed at a connector that is royalty/license-free.

Re:But all glossy... (4, Insightful)

demonbug (309515) | about 6 years ago | (#25372327)

Furthermore, /.-ers should be overjoyed at a connector that is royalty/license-free.

And yet still costs more than those royalty/license-laden connectors... funny how that works.

Re:But all glossy... (5, Insightful)

0100010001010011 (652467) | about 6 years ago | (#25372423)

It was also JUST ANNOUNCED TODAY. Wait until it shows up on Monoprice.

Re:But all glossy... (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | about 6 years ago | (#25372407)

So... why didn't they just do HDMI, like everyone else?

Refurb Price Drops! (2, Insightful)

0100010001010011 (652467) | about 6 years ago | (#25371759)

Woot. I've been looking to get an upgrade to my MBP (1st gen). This means all the 'old' stock is going to get dropped into the refurb store or sold cheaply through other channels.

Re:Refurb Price Drops! (4, Informative)

0100010001010011 (652467) | about 6 years ago | (#25372125)

Yesterday a refurb (current generation) 15.4" MBP was $1699 (Discounted from $1999). Right now it's at $1349.

Multitouch, matte screen, etc.

Store.apple.com.
Refurbed Macs (Lower left)
Scroll down.

First post? (5, Insightful)

line-bundle (235965) | about 6 years ago | (#25371761)

It's amazing how AAPL stock drops after an announcement.

Buy on rumor. sell on fact.

Re:First post? (5, Insightful)

anaesthetica (596507) | about 6 years ago | (#25371799)

If I had the money, I would have a standing short on every day that Apple has a conference. There's always a speculative run-up in the price and a drop when the actual announcement is made.

Re:First post? (2, Interesting)

norminator (784674) | about 6 years ago | (#25371961)

I am not an economist (IANAE), but shouldn't that be sell on rumor (when it's high), and buy on fact (when it's low)?

Re:First post? (0, Redundant)

Atti K. (1169503) | about 6 years ago | (#25372021)

He gave an "advice", not announce his actual strategy ;)

Re:First post? (1)

MrHanky (141717) | about 6 years ago | (#25372211)

Or he described what is actually happening, and what happens happens to be stupid.

Re:First post? (5, Informative)

HansF (700676) | about 6 years ago | (#25372035)

It's called short selling. Check wikipedia [wikipedia.org]

Re:First post? (2, Insightful)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about 6 years ago | (#25372303)

Yes, I was going to post that ... but to add a little more, it is the difference between "investing", and "speculating." Short selling is "speculating" ... buying low is "investing."

Have you ever heard someone call Warren Buffet a speculator?

He's an investor.

Re:First post? (0, Redundant)

GweeDo (127172) | about 6 years ago | (#25372041)

And loss money in the process? Buy when it is high...sell when it is low is a very poor idea.

Glossy only? (3, Informative)

VValdo (10446) | about 6 years ago | (#25371763)

From what I've been reading on the liveblogs, these new notebooks are available in glossy screens only, even for the MBP. If that's the case, I think a lot of people will be pretty upset.

W

Re:Glossy only? (4, Informative)

VValdo (10446) | about 6 years ago | (#25371809)

Answering my own query [engadget.com] :

11:01AM Q: Concern about the glossy screens. Are you going to offer another option?
A: Steve: We're going all glass -- we won't offer another version. Phil: You offset the reflection by the brightness, and consumers love it. One of the great things about a notebook is you can turn it however you want!

Uh, yeah. Great. Guess I'm keeping my matte for a while.

W

Re:Glossy only? (4, Informative)

falcon5768 (629591) | about 6 years ago | (#25371919)

be ready though, even Dell is dropping their matte options. Pretty soon none of the laptops will have it.

Re:Glossy only? (5, Interesting)

Utini420 (444935) | about 6 years ago | (#25372133)

Why?
I'm not trolling, honest question. Why are so many manufacturers going to glossy LCDs? Cheaper to build, what? 'Cause every end user I support hates the things. Except one, and he always likes to be different anyway.

What benefit, real or imagined, do hardware makers think/believe/want us to believe, is to be had from glossy screens?

media (4, Interesting)

Reality Master 201 (578873) | about 6 years ago | (#25372221)

A lot of people use their laptops as portable media players - watching movies on the couch, looking at pictures, etc. Glossy screens give the impression of better colors for that kind of use, so they're increasingly used in laptops in the consumer market.

I'm kinda disappointed to read about this, frankly. I'd at least like the option to not have one, cause they're fucking terrible.

Re:media (1)

falcon5768 (629591) | about 6 years ago | (#25372267)

thats the only thing i can think of too, I much prefer my 1st Gen pro's matte screen over the glossy one and always recommended that over glossy for either Mac or Dell to my fellow staff-members.

Re:Glossy only? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25372231)

They seem brighter due ambient reflection. Brighter = Better to a lot of people. Same with music. Louder = Better.

Re:Glossy only? (0, Redundant)

Utini420 (444935) | about 6 years ago | (#25372335)

OK, I figured it was something stupid.

Re:Glossy only? (1)

4D6963 (933028) | about 6 years ago | (#25372137)

My sister just bought a VAIO and she was telling me how awesomely glossy the reflective screen was... I guess people just love shiny things...

OSX only Runs on Macs (1, Funny)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about 6 years ago | (#25372155)

A: Steve: We're going all glass -- we won't offer another version.

I'm going all-Linux then. Thanks for the ride.

Re:Glossy only? (3, Interesting)

SilentChris (452960) | about 6 years ago | (#25371835)

Not really. Apple's marketshare has switched from Mr. Graphic Designer to Joe Collegestudent. Mr. Graphic Designer wants older matte screens because they supposedly reproduce colors better (the same reason they held onto CRTs well after LCDs debuted). Joe Collegestudent wants "popping" colors for photos, deeper blacks, etc. In other words, they want their computers to be modeled after consumer devices like LCD TVs -- they could care less about color reproduction.

Me, personally, I like the glossy screens. My laptop purchases are purely for home use where I look at photos, watch movies and play games. I think most of Apple's buyers are similar in their interests now.

If you want a matte screen, there's plenty of other laptops choose from. Apple wouldn't be selling new laptops with glossy screens if the old ones weren't selling reasonably well.

Re:Glossy only? (5, Interesting)

pz (113803) | about 6 years ago | (#25372027)

Mr. Graphic Designer wants older matte screens because they supposedly reproduce colors better (the same reason they held onto CRTs well after LCDs debuted).

I'm Mr. Dabbles in Graphic Design Person. You need to remove the "supposedly" in your statement above, especially when it comes to CRTs vs LCDs. High end LCDs are almost as good as decent CRTs, mostly because LCDs significantly change color with viewing angle. When you're worried about graphic design or photography, getting the color right is really important, and even slight color shifts are unacceptable.

I'm also Mr. Professional Visual Neuroscientist Who Does Some Colorimetric Work. No serious colorimetric work is yet being done with LCDs for the very same reason: a green dot needs to be exactly the same green whether it's presented in the middle of the screen or at the edge. With CRTs that's the case. With LCDs, assuming the viewing position is the same, the viewing angle changes slightly between those two screen locations, and the color is altered.

I had cause to use a glossy screen laptop recently. Couldn't wait to get rid of it, as I was distracted by my own reflection, or a reflection of the things behind me, or the lights, or whatever else was at the right (or wrong?) angle. Until LCD screens get some really good antiglare coating, matte is the way to go.

Re:Glossy only? (4, Insightful)

SilentChris (452960) | about 6 years ago | (#25372157)

Simple question: do you think Apple is marketing the new Macbooks for Mr. Joe Collegestudent or Mr. Professional Visual Neuroscientist Who Does Some Colorimetric Work?

Apple spends 9/10 of their time marketing. Always hasl. Mr. Professional Visual Neuroscientist Who Does Some Colorimetric Work arguably won't get the laptop marketed for its Word processing and gaming use.

Re:Glossy only? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25372309)

Yes...gaming...on a Mac...

Sorry, but WoW doesn't really need a good graphics card. No real high-end games are playable on a Mac, unless you're running Windows anyway.

Re:Glossy only? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25372359)

CRTs are prone to convergence issues. There's no way you can rely on the border being the same as the center. The further from the middle you get the worse it gets, the bigger the screen, the worse it gets. Unless you're spending an hour each day recalibrating, you're not going to get consistent coloring over the full screen, unless you are limiting to a single R G or B gun.

Re:Glossy only? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25371917)

I won't buy a laptop with a glossy screen. The reflections make it much harder to see. Apple claims you can crank up the brightness to see better, but this is a no-no for those of us that stare at a monitor all day long.

is there some kind of film you can apply? (1)

Reality Master 201 (578873) | about 6 years ago | (#25371987)

Or something? Not optimal, I know (and if you're forking out that kind of money, it's kind of wrong to have to resort to it), but is there anything you can put on a glossy screen to eliminate the glossiness?

I hate glossy screens on laptops - they look like shit and are impossible to use for long periods of time. I think I read that these are glass screens(?), so maybe it'll be less annoying than the plastic ones.

Re:is there some kind of film you can apply? (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | about 6 years ago | (#25372223)

The problem with these screens is not what they are made of, or whether they are gloss or matt, its their resolution. Not one of Apples laptops had a bump in screen resolution with these announcements, the 15.4" Pros *still* suffer with 1440x900 when most people are looking for 1600x1050 minimum these days. I won't be buying another Apple laptop until the screen resolutions get a decent bump, thats for sure.

Re:is there some kind of film you can apply? (1)

Reality Master 201 (578873) | about 6 years ago | (#25372357)

Well, what I meant was that all the glossy screens I've seen have been plastic coated. Since the plastic isn't rigid, the surface is slightly uneven and there's odd reflections all over. I'd still prefer the matte screen (or a decent anti-glare coating, like on CRTs), but maybe the glass would make the reflections a bit less distracting.

As for resolution, I guess it depends on what you're using it for. 1440x900 is fine for my use.

Re:is there some kind of film you can apply? (1)

Trashman (3003) | about 6 years ago | (#25372399)

Or something? Not optimal, I know (and if you're forking out that kind of money, it's kind of wrong to have to resort to it), but is there anything you can put on a glossy screen to eliminate the glossiness?

I hate glossy screens on laptops - they look like shit and are impossible to use for long periods of time. I think I read that these are glass screens(?), so maybe it'll be less annoying than the plastic ones.

Here's a better idea. Why don't you buy a Matte screen appropriate for your purposes, and be done with it.

Why are you so willing spend time and money to modify this thing when you could just buy one that meets it? Does your work require apple HW?

No 3g? (1)

seanadams.com (463190) | about 6 years ago | (#25371769)

One thing I'm surprised they did not announce (yet?) is a 3g wireless interface. As a satisfied iPhone+Macbook user already, that would be the only thing that might be compelling enough to get me to upgrade sooner.

Re:No 3g? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25371807)

You have ExpressCard, use it.

Re:No 3g? (1)

seanadams.com (463190) | about 6 years ago | (#25371983)

You have ExpressCard, use it.

Yes, I'm well aware there are all kinds of clumsy bolt-on solutions with dongles hanging off the side or little protruding antennas. What was implied in my suggestion would be a fully integrated radio with no visible antenna, built-in software support, and an easy way to add the Macbook to my existing iPhone plan.

Re:No 3g? (1)

jonbryce (703250) | about 6 years ago | (#25372209)

But all the 3g modems I've seen are USB, except for one which is Wifi.

Re:No 3g? (1)

Dekortage (697532) | about 6 years ago | (#25372319)

But all the 3g modems I've seen are USB, except for one which is Wifi.

Maybe you should look [3gstore.com] harder [3gstore.com] .

No affiliation with them -- just a satisfied customer.

Want! (0)

quixote9 (999874) | about 6 years ago | (#25371803)

I've used Linux for almost 10 years, and I want one. This is bad.

Re:Want! (1)

bb5ch39t (786551) | about 6 years ago | (#25372019)

I am also a Linux user. I got a Mac MINI last year just to see. I rarely power it up any more. Being an old fart, I don't much care for laptops. Bad eyes and arthritic hands just don't seem to go with laptops.

Re:Want! (3, Insightful)

jasonbowen (683345) | about 6 years ago | (#25372425)

I wanted one bad too. Now I wish I didn't pay the premium when I discovered just how easily the case of my MacBook Pro is damaged. I have three dents including on that has rendered my optical drive unusable. I paid $2000 for a laptop that is not as durable as advertised. I'm going back to a non-apple laptop with Linux when this one has gone through it's useful life. The only thing that brought me over to Apple was OS X and now the quality is pushing me back. The smugness of the Apple Store and the Apple Authorized repair shops has also driven me away. The asking price of $610 to replace the bottom case was also a deal breaker for me. Apple just isn't worth it and I feel stupid for having taken a drink of the kool-aid.

Uneven coverage? (-1, Troll)

b96miata (620163) | about 6 years ago | (#25371819)

Are we going to start seeing frontpage articles here on slashdot when all the other notebook manufacturers come out with new models?

Please, be the one site that doesn't feed into the "omg apple news must be reported WITHIN 30 SECONDS" mentality. It's a glorified press release. With all the crap apple as a company pulls that's anti-developer and anti-consumer, does /. really need to be yet another extension of their marketing dept?

Re:Uneven coverage? (5, Insightful)

Cochonou (576531) | about 6 years ago | (#25371869)

You need to get over the fact that Apple, just like Linux, or Google will get a special treatment on Slashdot. These are products/brands that the typical slashdot reader are interested in. You will see that this "article", even if it is nothing more than a glorified press release, will get a large number of comments, justifying its place on the slashdot frontpage.

Re:Uneven coverage? (0, Troll)

manekineko2 (1052430) | about 6 years ago | (#25372189)

I'm not so sure number of comments is a good metric of justification to be on the front page. By that rationale, everytime Slashdot posts some story about snake oil free energy (see e.g. this [slashdot.org] ), and it gets 800 replies talking about how the article is total trash, Slashdot has no editorial standards, and that even the editors of /. apparently don't read or think about the articles before publishing, those posts justify their place on the frontpage too.

Of course, Slashdot continues to post all of this, and the ad money continues to flow in from all the commentators, so maybe you're right. Maybe traffic is the only metric that matters.

Re:Uneven coverage? (1)

manekineko2 (1052430) | about 6 years ago | (#25372109)

And don't forget about the fact that besides the announcement at the conference today, we also got a Monday article [slashdot.org] and a Friday article [slashdot.org] on rumors on what would be announced at the conference, both on the front page.

Re:Uneven coverage? (4, Informative)

multisync (218450) | about 6 years ago | (#25372151)

Are we going to start seeing frontpage articles here on slashdot when all the other notebook manufacturers come out with new models?

Start? As the saying goes, you must be new here. I'm sure at least some of these made fp:

http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/16/1246240&from=rss [slashdot.org]

http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/30/1540203 [slashdot.org]

http://mobile.slashdot.org/mobile/08/08/19/1222226.shtml [slashdot.org]

http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/16/1246240&from=rss [slashdot.org]

http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/04/1953225&from=rss [slashdot.org]

http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/02/21/2036240&from=rss [slashdot.org]

http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/12/0518244&from=rss [slashdot.org]

So, in answer to your question, nothing will change. We will continue to get whatever stories happen to be in the geek press posted to the front page (sometimes more than once!), and people with axes to grind will continue to whine that Slashdot is either giving too much attention to the target of their derision, or not enough to their platform of choice.

Re:Uneven coverage? (2, Insightful)

4D6963 (933028) | about 6 years ago | (#25372193)

Because, at least Apple goes at great lengths to hype their new products. You won't report on the latest Lenovo notebook because their press release would be incredibly flat. Steve Jobs just knows how to make the most mundane upgrades sound exciting and newsworthy.

Boring (4, Interesting)

MarkoNo5 (139955) | about 6 years ago | (#25371821)

I really don't care if my macbook pro is made of a single block of aluminium or not. I do however care about non-glossy screens, and not having to lug around a connector for a mini display port. Both of these, however, seem to be a thing of the past. In addition, I think the black border around the screen is ugly as hell.

13" MP (3, Informative)

truthsearch (249536) | about 6 years ago | (#25371841)

The new metal 13" macbook is very similar to the pro, just smaller. For a $700 price difference this new model is probably worth it if you don't mind it being a little smaller.

Re:13" MP (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25371925)

Unless you need Firewire, in which case you're up a creek sans paddle. Typical Apple, a couple steps forward, one step back, one step to the side. Never end up exactly where you want to be.

Re:13" MP (1)

TheBig1 (966884) | about 6 years ago | (#25372317)

Mod parent up! I thought it was a troll until I looked on the Apple tech specs page myself - no mention of firewire, either 400 or 800! What in the world was Apple thinking?!?! Most external drives are firewire (if they have USB too, the firewire performance is still far better). I won't be getting this one any time soon!

Cheers

Re:13" MP (2, Informative)

tulmad (25666) | about 6 years ago | (#25372003)

And with a slower CPU (2.0ghz vs 2.4ghz on the lower model), no secondary GPU 9600M GT, and no expresscard slot.

Re:13" MP (1)

Kelson (129150) | about 6 years ago | (#25372177)

This might be my next notebook.

I've got a 12" PowerBook, which at the time was the bottom of the high-end range. One of the things that bothered me about the Intel switch is that Apple shifted the line between low-end (MacBook) and high-end (PowerBook/MacBook Pro) upward, so you can't get a MacBook Pro any smaller than 15" or cheaper than $2000. I want something that will fit in a backpack and cost less than two grand, but I hate, hate the plastic keyboards on the current MacBook line.

So if they've redesigned the MacBooks with a new keyboard, I'm all for it. I'll just have to get down to a store once these are in stock and see how I like typing on them.

So what? (-1, Troll)

Carson Napier (1045596) | about 6 years ago | (#25371871)

Apple cracks me up! Steve Jobs is like some messiah that comes out to the mountain top every so often to give a sermon and everything he says and does is perfect and right and never questioned!! br> For me, Apple is too "look at me I'm different". Right. Different, anlong with all the other fanboyz.
I can't say I'm that excited about anything new here. This doeesn't make me want to run out and drop a grand on a laptop... sorry.
By the way, Steve Jobs needs to get some new clothes!!

$999 laptop only 1gb of ram? at least it is ddr2 (1, Informative)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | about 6 years ago | (#25371889)

$999 laptop only 1gb of ram? at least it is ddr2 and gma video?

The new systems.

$150 to go from 2gb to 4gb of ddr3

Mini DisplayPort to DVI Adapter $29

Mini DisplayPort to Dual-Link DVI Adapter $99

Mini DisplayPort to VGA Adapter $29

Re:$999 laptop only 1gb of ram? at least it is ddr (2, Informative)

i'm lost (1247580) | about 6 years ago | (#25372013)

You're looking at the price of RAM from the Apple store, right? It's a ripoff, buy it from somewhere else and put it in yourself. Most Apple-fanboy forums will even give this advice, and it's easy enough that non-technical people don't have problems following the directions to upgrade their own RAM.

Re:$999 laptop only 1gb of ram? at least it is ddr (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | about 6 years ago | (#25372047)

just listing also they dropped fire wire from the mac books.

Re:$999 laptop only 1gb of ram? at least it is ddr (1)

Atti K. (1169503) | about 6 years ago | (#25372105)

...

put it in yourself.

...

I'm just wondering if a RAM/HD upgrade will be as easily doable on these made-of-a-single-piece-of-sh^H^Haluminium MacBooks as on the old ones...

Re:$999 laptop only 1gb of ram? at least it is ddr (1)

daveywest (937112) | about 6 years ago | (#25372383)

www.dealram.com is where I've found all the ram currently in my Macs.

No HDMI? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25371891)

sucky sucky

Re:No HDMI? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25372077)

Fret not. An HDMI display can be driven easily with a DVI to HDMI cable, available cheaply from just about any consumer electronics store. Unless you're craving HDCP (DRM) support, you're not missing much by not having a HDMI port.

Usage (1)

almost_lunchtime (1370619) | about 6 years ago | (#25371921)

A lot of money and technology, and most of these will just be used to run iTunes and a browser...

guess how many mouse buttons it has (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25371931)

0.

no mouse buttons. what a joke.

Tilt. Tilt. Tilt. Tilt. (2, Insightful)

argent (18001) | about 6 years ago | (#25372071)

OK, my next OS X Notebook is probably going to be a Thinkpad.

I'll Pay Apple what they want for OS X, I'll buy a Mac Mini and not use it if that's what it takes to make my idiot conscience shut the **** up, but I've had it with Apple's passive-aggressive relationship with multi-button mice.

Re:Tilt. Tilt. Tilt. Tilt. (1)

iMacGuy (199233) | about 6 years ago | (#25372229)

It has a multitouch trackpad, so it has infinite buttons!

Re:Tilt. Tilt. Tilt. Tilt. (1, Insightful)

argent (18001) | about 6 years ago | (#25372293)

The current trackpad already supports multiple finger taps, and it so doesn't cut it for me. Tap-to-click-in-the-wrong-place is already not working for me, on any laptop, but at least I haven't been forced to use it.

Re:guess how many mouse buttons it has (5, Informative)

LostCauz (121686) | about 6 years ago | (#25372219)

The glass trackpad *is* the buttons, and not like tapping to do a click.

It works in a similar way to the ipod wheel, the corners move down when you press it. Watch the video on the macbook page. I was afraid of that too, but it really is quite nice.

Argh... (2, Insightful)

PortHaven (242123) | about 6 years ago | (#25372233)

Well there went my hope that they'd finally offer us two-buttons.

*sighs*

There is nothing I hate more than having to use a trackpad as a click-button. You try to move the cursor and open up half a dozen links accidentally.

I nearly sent back my Dell until we found drivers that let me turn that feature off. :(

Steve...YOUR A TWIT!!!

The $1600 system should of had 128-256 of vram (0)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | about 6 years ago | (#25371947)

The $1600 system should of had 128-256 of vram that does not use system ram and 4gb of ram.

Re:The $1600 system should of had 128-256 of vram (1)

SaDan (81097) | about 6 years ago | (#25372117)

Exactly what I was thinking. Dedicated VRAM is a must, especially if the new video chipsets are supposed to be worth anything. What a joke.

Zero updates to their iMac and MacPro lines.

Oooo... The MacBook is now ONLY $999! I'll be interested in Mac laptops when their entry is around $599.

Execution at 3pm by public hanging (1)

mi (197448) | about 6 years ago | (#25372305)

system should of had

Should have had, you bloody idiot!! Chew some dough or something...

Lighted keyboard (1)

Fastfwd (44389) | about 6 years ago | (#25371969)

I was hoping for it and it is finally there but just on the 2.4ghz version. IF I had to buy a laptop today that would be it. Or a cheaper MB air.

glass touchpad? (2, Insightful)

kisrael (134664) | about 6 years ago | (#25371975)

is a glass touchpad that much better?
I ahve an iphone but the only plus I see is that i can see an LCD through it...

Dual Video Cards? (5, Interesting)

0100010001010011 (652467) | about 6 years ago | (#25371979)

Is anyone's interest peaked by the new dual video cards? Especially with OpenCL [wikipedia.org] possibly being the 'next big thing'. I'd be very interested in Photoshop CS4 benchmarks too.

Second, is this the next big competitive 'edge' (now that everything is dual core). Apple was one of the first companies to put dual processors in consumer products. I remember debating between a Dual 800 MHz or a Single 866 when I went to college and ended up spending the extra on the dual. I swore to myself then that I'd never go back to a single processor. Now everything is dual core, dual processor, quad core, etc.

Re:Dual Video Cards? (2, Interesting)

0100010001010011 (652467) | about 6 years ago | (#25372059)

Airport was one of the first Consumer 802.11b solutions. Apple provided both the Base Station (router) and their wireless card.
Gigabit ethernet still isn't on most computers you buy from anywhere else.
iSight built in, don't all the new Dells have this?

Even if no one cares about Apple shit or shiny new over priced products. Expect somethings you've heard today to trickle down into every other brand.

No firewire on the MacBook (non-Pro) (2, Informative)

sjonke (457707) | about 6 years ago | (#25371985)

See the tech specs: http://www.apple.com/macbook/specs.html [apple.com]

Re:No firewire on the MacBook (non-Pro) (4, Insightful)

daveywest (937112) | about 6 years ago | (#25372301)

I'm wondering about the rational behind that decision. After all, isn't the ability to use iMovie to make your own home movies a big selling point for the consumer level Macs?

Without a firewire interface, iMovie (and by extension iDVD) seems like it would be useless.

Re:No firewire on the MacBook (non-Pro) (1)

SengirV (203400) | about 6 years ago | (#25372341)

I know, it's an insanely bad idea.

Fingers (2, Insightful)

lilo_booter (649045) | about 6 years ago | (#25372049)

And the entire trackpad is the button. It gives you more area on the trackpad and keeps you from hunting for that button. You can get multi-button support from software. And we've added some new four-finger gestures that are really nice.

I have a nice 2 finger gesture in response to that.

ugh (3, Insightful)

SuperBanana (662181) | about 6 years ago | (#25372051)

Failtastic in so many ways:

  • Despite all this we're-environmental crap, it's worse off, because it requires enormous amounts of electricity to make the larger quantity of aluminum, it requires more electricity to machine it, and the vast majority of material is milled right off. The scrap needs to be heated up and melted down AGAIN to "recycle" it. Since they're made in China, the electricity for that is coming directly from coal.
  • Still ExpressCard/34, which is useless for many things, particularly CompactFlash readers used by pro photographers.
  • Huge black border around the screen, which is wasted space.
  • #$@$!ing annoying square, flat keys from the Macbook, and they're black. Am I the only one who thinks it looks incredibly ugly?
  • Glossy screen only. To which Phil said, "You offset the reflection by the brightness, and consumers love it. One of the great things about a notebook is you can turn it however you want!" No, douchebag, we HATE the glossy screen, and you've still got to SIT SOMEWHERE with it, and turning up the brightness requires more battery power. Apparently Phil has never tried using one of the glossy screens with something bright behind him. There's a reason almost every TV and computer monitor on the planet has a matte screen.
  • Yet another video adapter. We've got a BIN full of these things for when people need to use a projector. Here's another one, for absolutely no particular good reason.
  • Security slot in FRONT of the side-mounted DVD drive. Great. So if you want to lock your laptop up, you've got this big cable blocking the drive, and if you eject a CD, it'll eject into the cable. And probably break the drive. Why couldn't it go in the corner?

Re:ugh (3, Informative)

Microlith (54737) | about 6 years ago | (#25372135)

No, douchebag, we HATE the glossy screen,

To be sure, -you- hate the glossy screen. However, if Dell/HP/Toshiba et. al. are any indication, the market as a whole prefers the glossy screens.

So Apple makes laptops with glossy screens. Good luck finding new laptops without them from ANY maker.

Re:ugh (1)

slaker (53818) | about 6 years ago | (#25372179)

My completely serious answer to almost all of your complaints is that you should look at Lenovo's Thinkpad offerings. Matte screens, awesome keyboards, standard VGA output, full size expresscard slots (depending on the model). Plus they're built like tanks and they don't get red-hot on the bottom like Macbook Pros seem to.

Of course, they're made in China as well, so the environmental factor is still an issue, but they do run OSX tolerably well if you absolutely have to have it.

Mod parent up (1)

ameline (771895) | about 6 years ago | (#25372239)

I agree with all of your points -- especially the glossy screens. Looks like I'll be holding on to my 17" MacbookPro until it dies (which will probably be sooner than I'd like due to the faulty bonding materials in the 8600M gfx chip :-( )

Balony (0, Troll)

PenGun (794213) | about 6 years ago | (#25372067)

"Oh, and one more thing: Steve's blood pressure is 110/70."

  I really doubt it. /Digs out meter. Mine goes from 112/65 to 120/75 in a normal day. It changes constantly ... noone has a "blood pressure".

  He's just a baby anyway, 10 years younger than me. I'm probably in better shape but then I use Lunix exclusively, none of that evil DRM stuff to clog my arteries.

Re: Balony (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25372099)

I'm probably in better shape but then I use Lunix exclusively, none of that evil DRM stuff to clog my arteries.

While you're probably right it's not for the same reasons you think.

You're probably in better shape because it takes 20 times more work to do anything with Linux than it does with Mac or Windows. It keeps you on your toes.

No mention of 17" notebook on site. (1)

PortHaven (242123) | about 6 years ago | (#25372115)

Did they drop the 17"? not update it? or just not mention it....

Apple site currently crawling and serving up server errors. So I can't see if it's listed as a new product.

Re:No mention of 17" notebook on site. (1)

TB42 (259911) | about 6 years ago | (#25372199)

It took a while, but I finally got through to the "Buy" link. It looks like the 17" has not been upgraded (yet?). Bummer.

Will the mini move to the new nvidia chipset? (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | about 6 years ago | (#25372129)

As it is still over 1 year old with THE SAME PRICE!

And it should have 128-256 of vram + 2-4gb of desktop ram with a 3.5 hd.

Re:Will the mini move to the new nvidia chipset? (1)

argent (18001) | about 6 years ago | (#25372333)

No, Apple's plan for the desktop is apparently to abandon it as unprofitable-enough. :(

gestures (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25372165)

Ok, so first it was 1 finger, then 2, then 3, and now finally 4. What's next, fisting?

(Yes, I know I am a terrible person, why do you ask?)

Is the new case going to be more durable? (1, Redundant)

jasonbowen (683345) | about 6 years ago | (#25372167)

I have a MacBook Pro that is less than a year old. It took a 3 foot drop on to padded carpet and the bottom case corner by the optical drive got bent. The machine works fine, just no use of the optical drive for me now since the fragile case bent. The drive itself works, it is just that every disk inserted and ejected gets a scratch on it now. Apple wants $610 to replace the bottom case pan. I think I'll be looking back to a non-Apple laptop running Linux the next time I'm in the market for a laptop. $2000 laptops shouldn't have such fragile cases. I've dropped many a laptop in my day and never had a case get bent.

Style over function in announcements (2, Interesting)

justinlindh (1016121) | about 6 years ago | (#25372203)

The thing that bothers me is that the metallic body announcement is somehow the big headline on most of the news sites, while the announcements of trackpad changes and specs seem to take a backseat. It really emphasizes that Apple wants to appeal to style possibly even more than function.

I'm sure that angle works, as it's now "hip" to own Apple products, but it concerns me that we may start seeing more flash than substance in Apple product lines, which would be a big disappointment since they've been known to be innovators in functionality in the past.

17-inch MBP still with 8600M (2, Interesting)

roskakori (447739) | about 6 years ago | (#25372215)

From the Q&A [engadget.com] :

10:57AM Q: What's up with the 17-inch?
A: Tim: It's being refreshed today as well.

According to the Apple Store [apple.com] , it already has a "New" flag, but the graphics card still is the old 8600M instead of the new 9600M.

Non-replacable battery? (1)

slart42 (694765) | about 6 years ago | (#25372401)

They moved the battery indicator to the computer case, instead of being part of the battery. That, together with the "new unibody enclosure", makes me wonder: Did they hard-wire the battery, as in iPods and other devices? Because, that would sort of suck!

Touchscreens (1)

jruschme (76180) | about 6 years ago | (#25372403)

11:03AM Q: You've put a lot of work into the new touchpad, do touchscreens not make sense?
A: Steve: so far it hasn't made a lot of sense to us.

I confess that I don't get this one. It seems like ever major manufacturer has at least one tablet or convertible. It there really that little call for the technology in the real world? I'd think that that class full of Macbook toting students would be well served by a tablet and the handwriting recognition that has already been in the OS for quite a while.

Where's my 8GB of RAM? (1)

justcauseisjustthat (1150803) | about 6 years ago | (#25372405)

When is Apple going to start supporting 8GB of RAM in their laptops?
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