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Hands-On With the New MacBooks

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the nice-look-see dept.

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Paige Philuer writes "Macworld has a hands-on article examining the new MacBook and MacBook Pro — not a quickie look from Tuesday's event, but a lengthy, in-depth look with laptops they actually have in their offices. Some interesting observations: No FireWire on the MacBook; the TrackPad doesn't feel like you're running your finger across a pane of glass, though that's what it is; and switching between graphics cards in the MacBook Pro requires you to log out." Reader Bourbon contributes three links at CNET related to the new models, too: a positive written review (giving a score of 8/10 to the new MacBook), a video review, and a behind-the-scenes look at how the new models are machined.

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NO!!!! Don't! (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25390915)

Keep your hands off! They'll get all smudgy. MacBooks are for looking at, not using.

Macbook aesthetics (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25391009)

'books even less masculine(is that possible for Mac?)

They feel rigid and sturdy

But they had to keep at least one feature which reminds Mac users of their boyfriends

Yeah, it'll be more work and more cost, but it's not as if there isn't an option out there if you just can't stand the glossy look. (Me, I love it.)

Shiny lips weren't meant to be on men. Next!

The MacBook Pro's prominent...grille holes on both sides...are now much smaller

Because the hole in Mac users is way too big as it is.

The sensation of moving your fingers across it is a little disconcerting; there's friction but not a lot of texture.

That's what happens after years upon years of receiving anal sex.

The gestures supported by the past generation...are still there, including two-finger scrolling, pinching and spreading fingers... and swiping three fingers to navigate...

That's a little extreme for the newer crowd but its necessary for MacFag(tm) indoctrination.

Am I the only one who thinks (4, Interesting)

dancingmad (128588) | more than 5 years ago | (#25391057)

I'm a huge Mac fan (I'm typing this on an older MacBook Pro), but man, I really think these new laptops are ugly as sin. I really prefer the look of previous model MacBooks and MacBook Pros, though when the Air came out it was probably inevitable that the other laptops would follow its lead.

Re:Am I the only one who thinks (4, Interesting)

aliquis (678370) | more than 5 years ago | (#25391283)

The black border isn't that great imho, but it's ok. Same for keys I guess.

But new macbook vs old one? Definitly. Way better than plastic.

Re:Am I the only one who thinks (4, Interesting)

MojoStan (776183) | more than 5 years ago | (#25394859)

But new macbook vs old one? Definitly. Way better than plastic.

Way better than the white plastic MacBook, which looks like a tacky toy IMO. OTOH, I think the black plastic looks pretty good.

I must be the only one who thinks Apple's white plastic products (iBook, iPod, iMac, MacBook) look lame. I like Apple's current move away from white plastic and toward uncolored (MacBook, iMac) and colored (iPod nano) aluminum.

Re:Am I the only one who thinks (2)

quadrox (1174915) | more than 5 years ago | (#25395471)

You are NOT alone. I have hated these white plastic toy things they produced forever. Nobody ever agreed with me before though.

Personally I think the new look is an improvement, at the very least over the white ones, as you said.

Re:Am I the only one who thinks (3, Funny)

Jerry Rivers (881171) | more than 5 years ago | (#25392215)

You're not the only one. I personally think these look pretty tacky, especially compared the sleek/slick, classy look of the previous model MBP.

In two years these will look like even uglier, like that K-car your stuffy old man used to drive. Of course by then all the others notebook manufacturers will have copied the design and nobody will notice that they all look cheesy.

Re:Am I the only one who thinks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25392285)

And am I the only one who is wondering just who would be buying one of these shiny MacBooks in such a harsh economic climate?

Re:Am I the only one who thinks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25392423)

you are obviously not in the design or creation field.

Re:Am I the only one who thinks (1)

tyrione (134248) | more than 5 years ago | (#25394395)

I'm a huge Mac fan (I'm typing this on an older MacBook Pro), but man, I really think these new laptops are ugly as sin. I really prefer the look of previous model MacBooks and MacBook Pros, though when the Air came out it was probably inevitable that the other laptops would follow its lead.

I never figured Jobs for a closet Raiders fan.

Re:Am I the only one who thinks (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 5 years ago | (#25397891)

Yeah...might be something to do that they look much more like any generic, shiny laptop on the market.

Re:Am I the only one who thinks (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#25399199)

Yup, one of the other manufacturers (Asus?) makes laptops with a shiny black border around the screen - I've seen a few around campus - and so they manage to look both ugly and derivative at the same time. Not a good combination. I'm also totally unimpressed by the Mini DisplayPort. My old PowerBook had a DVI port and an S-Video port, with an S-Video to composite adaptor in the box. My newer MBP has a DVI port and they charge for a DVI to S-Video / Composite adaptor. Now they are charging for both DVI and VGA adaptors - apparently plugging the machine into anything other than a new Apple display is a luxury. Sure, the Mini DisplayPort is smaller than the DVI port, but it's not like they're actually short of space on the side. I'm also not a fan of the removal of FW400 - I have a couple of FW800 disks, but I come across a lot more FW400 devices than FW800, and so this is yet another adaptor to carry around (also not included in the box, so it's another one you need to buy).

I quite liked the old Apple Display Port. It was a proprietary connector, but carrying DVI, USB and power in the same cable at least meant it was a proprietary connector that had advantages over standard ones. Mini DisplayPort doesn't seem to have any compelling advantage over HDMI, other than the ability for Apple to sell adaptors at stupidly high prices (£16.45 for DVI or VGA and a massive £61.10 for dual-link DVI). If I want to plug my current MBP or my PowerBook into a 30" display, I just plug in the cable. If I want to do the same with a new MBP I need a £61.10 adaptor.

Brightness (5, Interesting)

victim (30647) | more than 5 years ago | (#25391083)

Great! The displays are bright.
How about dim? Can they be dim too? My 24" iMac is painfully bright to use in a dark room at its lowest backlight setting. Some people resort to software that puts a neutral gray, transparent window over the whole screen just to keep the pain down at the expense of color resolution. I keep sunglasses by the computer so I can see to work on late night emergency calls while my eyes adapt to the light.

Re:Brightness (3, Insightful)

von_rick (944421) | more than 5 years ago | (#25391275)

Bright displays might be a necessity, given the glossy screens. Though I'm not quite sure if bright back light can offset reflection of bright objects.

Re:Brightness (1)

RichiH (749257) | more than 5 years ago | (#25395875)

If anything, glossy displays let _more_ light through. And offsetting reflections is not a concern when you are in a dark room.

Re:Glossyness (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25397353)

I'm seriously unhappy about the glossy screans it makes using the computer in many brightly lit areas difficult.
I really dont care if it looks nice. Its impractical and uses up more power because you have to increase the display brightness just to see properly

Re:Brightness (4, Informative)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 5 years ago | (#25391997)

The LED backlights seem to dim better than the old fluorescent ones did. My not-quite-latest-generation-now MBP with LED backlight works just fine in a dark room and goes nice and bright for a non-dark room.

Re:Brightness (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25393867)

You guys are missing the whole point of getting a Mac. You guys haven't remodeled your room to match the design aesthetic of these babies? The plans should incorporate matching multi-mode "daylight"/"nighttime"/"coffee-shop ambience" lighting schemes. And they should all be controllable via keyboard, because only the keyboard knows how much light you will need at that time when you lift the lid.

Re:Brightness (4, Informative)

CODiNE (27417) | more than 5 years ago | (#25393685)

It's not a real solution but holding control option command and 8 inverts the color making the screen a negative. Works well at night when you want to keep the light level down.

Re:Brightness (2, Funny)

Anonymous Slacker (607727) | more than 5 years ago | (#25395959)

That's a neat trick...can't wait till the next time I stop by an Apple store... (wonder how long it'll take the geniuses there to fix it)

Re:Brightness (2, Funny)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#25399231)

Hold down control and scroll up with the mouse. This zooms in. Do it just a little bit, and everything is slighly out of focus (subpixel AA doesn't work right when zoomed) and wobbles when you move the mouse. Really confusing to novice Mac users...

Re:Brightness (0, Redundant)

Spydr (90990) | more than 5 years ago | (#25394229)

for times like this, i like to reverse the display colors... hit ctrl + option + command + 8 and it flips the display colors (white becomes black, black becomes white, etc.)

Re:Brightness (2, Informative)

kliklik (322798) | more than 5 years ago | (#25397105)

There's a great tool called Nocturne [blacktree.com] , you should check it out.

Two separate NVIDIA GPUs? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25391211)

I guess that's so when the first one de-laminates you have a backup. *Bah-dum-bump*

Actually it's pretty cool to have both high- and low-power options. Too bad they can't switch on the fly. But since the GeForce 9600M GT can do CUDA, maybe you could use it as a compute accelerator while you use the 9400 for display.

Re:Two separate NVIDIA GPUs? (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 5 years ago | (#25391297)

Uhm, I guess both can do Cuda/OpenCL?

hybrid sli non gefore boost. (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 5 years ago | (#25392441)

hybrid sli non gefore boost.

Re:Two separate NVIDIA GPUs? (3, Informative)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 5 years ago | (#25393797)

I'm frankly rather surprised at the limitations on switching. Sony has been pushing the dual GPU stuff on their higher end laptops for a while, and if Sony, who basically shoves other people's hardware and software into pretty boxes, can get an Nvidia part to work properly on a Microsoft OS(Vista no less), than I would have expected Apple to have it together on their own OS.

I assume it'll come sooner or later.

Apple is "cool" (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25391243)

Although I really like Apple and the proprietary software, I think that we have to accept the crushing truth.

In these times it really doesn't matter if is launched the iPod nanomillimeter or Mac OS Iguana, because while both products (and others with less weight like Mac G4 Cube) were trying to impress with "cool" stuff, Apple was consolidating its position as the leader in the field of systems with DRM and privation of liberty, first with the iTunes (that have approximately 90% of the market on the US) and later with its advanced successor, the recently iPhone, that doesn't let the client to install applications written in Java, using Cingular network problems as a excuse.

The reality is that Apple has little to offer to the intelligent user. The same intelligent that is seen disconcerted by the impossibility to do a simple mp3 transfer from the iTunes to music player different to the iPhone. If you don't believe me, go out and ask to the people how they transfer a mp3 file to a player no supported by Apple: burning the file on to a CD, and then ripping this file to a free format, like OGG. THAT IS A SMART THING TO DO!

Then what we suggest to this user is that he needs to buy the last iPod version (spending a fortune) , which he will change every year to be cool (because of Steve Jobs recommendation), which he can't use with a free firmware, like RockBox, because of DRM.
How many people get to do it? Only Derek Zoolander is so faithful to the brand. We persist in THAT is the normal thing... nothing more far from reality.

Explain him why his black color MacBook is 200 bucks more expensive than the same white laptop, why he gets Windows support (thanks to Bootcamp) but he can't use Linux, why Mac OS X is still stealing from 6 years ago using Exposé like a killer feature, why he needs to pay 130 bucks for each segurity patch (although they call it "new version", it is just a patch), etc.

And the developers? Obviously they'll return to Linus, because no one will tolerate the pain of develop in a platform that threat us with stupid patents like the "spring folders", that were deleted from GNOME. By each Mac OS X application we have 5000 that run on Linux, becuase they are free as a in speech.

The proof of the Apple failure is seen also in the Windows world, either in areas like P2P and cracking (because there is not applications), computer sells (1500 bucks for a computer that doesn't run games? fuck you Apple), etc.

if Mac OS X is so cool, why it doesn't work on computers different from a shitty Mac? It cannot be that if I want to run Mac OS X in a PC I have to download from the eMule a patched version made by a juacker with a nick like moo, cow, or whatever. Who will install that with entirely confidence? And, furthermore, once it get installed, the 50% of the hardware doesn't work (unless the hardware are things with "cool" neon lights approved by Apple).

The battle for the most stupid user is lost for Linux, because Apple users are to far away in that race, even it seems like they train for that matter.

They make fun of Linux users because we go to listen to Stallman, but they go to a Keynote to listen to Steve Jobs, who sell them products, and they fight between each other just for a three button mouse (a funny thing, due to the fact that they got a shitty experience because of the one button mouse that they bought from Apple itself).

You keep defending the apple. You keep defending Safari as something unique while you read the impressed newspaper because you can't even read the BBC. You keep thinking that the people look at you with envy because of the iPods but the reality is that they think that you are just stupids. You keep insulting Windows and then you go as fast as you can to buy Bootcamp plus a Windows license. You keep insulting Intel and praising IBM to find out later that there is a new "cool" Mac. You keep attacking the free software while Apple search on Google where to get free software under permissive licenses. Keep just like that.

And You? What have you bought on Itunes today?

Thanks for you attention.

Re:Apple is "cool" (-1, Troll)

aliquis (678370) | more than 5 years ago | (#25391465)

I don't really like Apple, but whatever.

1) Don't buy AAC tracks if you have no device which can play them.

2) Just a retard would buy a black macbook for a premium. Of course you can use Linux, how is Expose stealing? Now OS X releases have new features, sure I'd also argue they are not worth the full price.

3) Of course there exist cracked OS X software.

4) It doesn't run because Apple don't want it to run.

5) Yeah, x86 isn't that cool but since it's better for now I understand them.

The rest was even more useless junk which even less deserves to be answered and is such a waste of everyone time.

Re:Apple is "cool" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25391615)

If I could post ASCII art on slashdot, I'd post the one with the cute little fat man holding the 'Don't Feed The Trolls' sign.

Heck, here's a whole gosh darned page of those cute critters [sdf-eu.org] . Enjoy!

Re:Apple is "cool" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25392445)

I know but I don't care, I don't have much of a life and I have time for replying so. / aliquis

Re:Apple is "cool" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25393689)

2) Just a retard would buy a black macbook for a premium.

Sure, and only retards buy red/yellow sports cars right?

There are lot's of "retards" out there that want the style they like best, even if it does cost a premium. Calling them retards just makes you look poor, because they really don't give a fuck about the extra money. Just take my word on this, calling rich(er) people names because they spend more money on things with the same functionality as yours sure as hell doesn't make them feel bad - about themselves. Frankly, they think you can go circle jerk with all your poor friends and do whatever you want with your own money.

- smug asshole with money

P.S. I'm going to order a $100 red bezel for my 46" Sony XBR-5 and write your name on it. HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Re:Apple is "cool" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25394641)

Smug asshole with credit card debt is more likely. But asshole either way.

Re:Apple is "cool" (1)

orclevegam (940336) | more than 5 years ago | (#25391719)

Wow, where to even start on this rant. First of all, people are more inclined to listen to your points when they're written in well formed sentences free from typos. Take a minute to read over your post before you hit the submit button and make sure you've eliminated most if not all of your mistakes. It's almost painful trying to read your post due to the typos in every third word (not to mention entire sentences that are mangled). Second most of your points are flawed in one way or another. Just as an example, it is possible to get an mp3 out of iTunes, it's just a royal PITA to do so. You also can't fault Apple for non-Apple hardware failing to work properly on a cracked version of OS X that's been jury rigged to run on generic hardware. I mean at that point you're not even dealing with Apple software really. It's like hacking up a copy of Chromium so that it manages to run under Linux and then bitching that Google sucks because Chromium crashes when you try to visit some website. Now, you could complain that Apple sucks because they won't release a version of OS X for non-Apple hardware, but that's different than the point you made.

Eh, who am I kidding, I'm arguing with an AC about the quality of his post, I might as well be arguing with a tree for all the effect it will have. Also, before grammar nazis descend in droves to pick apart my post be forewarned that I don't care, and I invoke muphry's law (and no that's not a typo).

What will apple do with the mini? If they mess up (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 5 years ago | (#25392555)

What will apple do with the mini? If they mess up then EFiX and Psystar will have a field day.

The $800 mini better have a real video card with 256 of vram that is not from system ram.

Also if they put mini display port on it. It better have ship with the mini Display Port to DVI Cable Adapter and a mini DisplayPort to DisplayPort.

makeing you pay $30 for a Adapter to be able use your display on a DESKTOP is a slap in the face.

The mini should drop down to $500 with 2gb of ram and super drive.

Re:What will apple do with the mini? If they mess (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 5 years ago | (#25393827)

My good man, you don't need an adapter to connect a system with mini-displayport to a monitor!*



*if and only if your idea of "monitor" is "New Apple Cinema display" which, incidentally, comes only with a mini-displayport connector.

IF you have a 24 $900 display. (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 5 years ago | (#25393863)

IF you have a 24 $900 display then you don't need one.

Re:IF you have a 24 $900 display. (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 5 years ago | (#25393931)

I fully agree, my post was intended as part joke, part "WTF, Apple shipped a monitor with only mini-displayport?"

I can only assume that their market research guys determined that essentially all buyers of Apple monitors are Apple laptop users.

Re:What will apple do with the mini? If they mess (1)

bestinshow (985111) | more than 5 years ago | (#25398439)

Apple need to update the Mini. They will use the NVIDIA 9400M chipset I imagine, but no discrete graphics.

I agree about Mini DisplayPort - either ship with an adaptor, or include a HDMI in addition (as HDMI -> DVI cables are cheap still).

I expect that they will drop Firewire.

I wouldn't be surprised if they got rid of the SODIMM slot and put the 2GB on the motherboard directly.

Re:Apple is "cool" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25391747)

Mac OS Iguana

Your Missing an X and igunas arent cats

The same intelligent that is seen disconcerted by the impossibility to do a simple mp3 transfer from the iTunes to music player different to the iPhone.

Babelfish? I hope to god that is electronic translation talking.

If you don't believe me, go out and ask to the people how they transfer a mp3 file to a player no supported by Apple: burning the file ohttp:n to a CD, and then ripping this file to a free format, like OGG. THAT IS A SMART THING TO DO!

I just drag it out of itunes into a folder works fine. Oh, right I'm forced to use the Itunes Store.

Graphics switching disappointing beside Lenovo (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25391261)

The Lenovo laptops running Vista with two graphics cards can switch completely on the fly. It's a bit disappointing that Apple, with full control over everything, couldn't manage the same. See http://lenovoblogs.com/insidethebox/?p=154 [lenovoblogs.com] .

Re:Graphics switching disappointing beside Lenovo (0)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#25391319)

Part of it could be with the UNIX base though. I don't think X really likes you switching much on the fly. Sure, Apple might be able to work through it, but how often are you going to change them?

Re:Graphics switching disappointing beside Lenovo (5, Informative)

niteice (793961) | more than 5 years ago | (#25391443)

Apple doesn't use X. They probably didn't have time to fix WindowServer before launch, but I'd imagine that it will be fixed for Snow Leopard.

Re:Graphics switching disappointing beside Lenovo (1)

johanatan (1159309) | more than 5 years ago | (#25393715)

Given the looks of some of their products, I'd say they use X and possibly LSD too!

MOD PARENT -1 TRYHARD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25394797)

lame

Re:Graphics switching disappointing beside Lenovo (1)

Jerry Rivers (881171) | more than 5 years ago | (#25392251)

The third-party patch will be out within a month ;-)

Re:Graphics switching disappointing beside Lenovo (1, Troll)

p0tat03 (985078) | more than 5 years ago | (#25394711)

That's the difference between Windows and OS X. On Windows (XP anyways, not too sure about the new graphics architecture in Vista) all GUI drawing is handled directly by the CPU. So switching the GPU would just entail having to redraw everything all over again, something that the OS can push through fairly easily.

On MacOS X though, every single window, every little widget you see is directly tied into OpenGL (hence the purty animations without killing your CPU)... it's a bit more involved, since each app is now holding onto oodles of resources tied *directly* to the hardware. Switching your GPU becomes a lot more difficult then, and it looks like Apple has taken the route of simply shutting off your graphics subsystem and rebooting it on a new device.

Re:Graphics switching disappointing beside Lenovo (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25396077)

Complete nonsense, GDI graphics are hardware accelerated on Windows XP and lower.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms794599.aspx

On Windows Vista GDI is CPU drawn, but composition etc. is done via the 3D engine, hardware accelerated. I believe Windows Presentation/Graphics Foundation is also hardware accelerated on Windows Vista.

A lot of stuff on OS X used to be CPU drawn, but this was improved in OS X 10.3 and 10.4.

If they are made of metal they will cause cancer (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25391293)

Steve Jobs wants you to die, I heard it on the radio and then I saw this thing, Elvis he was one smooth operator. But what do you Republicans on Slashdot care about that anyway? Apples Computers are for straight heretosexuals.. I am not gay.

Environmentally Friendly? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25391337)

Watching the video, the Mac guys talk about all of the innovations that have gone into making the computer friendly to the environment. But the aluminum machining looks like a pretty energy intensive and wasteful process. Does anyone know if this is a true observation, relative to the process used to make other laptops?

Re:Environmentally Friendly? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25392879)

It isn't necessarily physically wasteful in that all the aluminum they machine out of the block is said to be recovered and reused. But I'd be curious about the amount of electricity (carbon) and water required to mill one of these things.

There is an ease-of-recycling benefit to having the case be fewer pieces of solid aluminum rather than the more typical multiple bonded materials including synthetics.

Re:Environmentally Friendly? (2, Informative)

icegreentea (974342) | more than 5 years ago | (#25394169)

The flip side is that an aluminum body is completely recyclable. Also, 'waste' aluminum from milling can just get recycled right off the bat. If you look at the carbon footprint for just making one plastic and one metal laptop, the plastic will probably win. But if you look at the carbon footprint of a plastic laptop and its 3 plastic replacements, and a metal laptop and its three metal replacements, the metal ones just might do better.

Yes, I am aware that the metal from one laptop will not directly go into that next chassis, but hey, if they they're all recycled and made from recycled, it works out the same in the end.

They cost more (1)

chebucto (992517) | more than 5 years ago | (#25391453)

The Canadian price for the low-end used to be $1250, now it's $1400. Whatever happened to the maxim that computers get faster & cheaper over time?

Then there's connectivity. One of the mixed blessings of apple is their place on the avant-guard of computer ports; sometimes they're annoying (proprietary video), sometimes not (usb on iMac). All I know is that there's no hope of using an external monitor without shelling out an Elizabeth for an adapter. That, and the newfound lack of firewire (and thus target disk mode) on the most popular apple notebook will result in tears.

I'm half-considering buying an old macbook - the CPU is just as fast, and it's got firewire. My only real concern is whether I'd be able to run Civ4 on the integrated graphics card. Anyone know?

Re:They cost more (2, Informative)

aaarrrgggh (9205) | more than 5 years ago | (#25391953)

CAD:USD exchange rate isn't as favorable as it used to be. They priced aggressively before, and with the rate change they have to re-price. Won't be good for ROW sales in a recession...

Re:They cost more (2, Informative)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 5 years ago | (#25392043)

Our dollar slipped 20% (rather, the US dollar recovered 20%). That makes the difference.

CIV 4? Should work great on the integrated graphics. I'm pretty sure I've run it on my mini.

The integrated graphics is only slow compared to a cutting edge dedicated board. CIV 4 is a few years old.

Re:They cost more (1)

Nyeerrmm (940927) | more than 5 years ago | (#25392755)

I'm not so sure about Civ IV. It's barely usable on my Macbook Air, which has the same integrated graphics. Of course, it could be that the slower CPU really does it in; I also haven't retried it with CoolBook, so it may be hitting a core shutdown issue.

Re:They cost more (1)

friedgoat (1386647) | more than 5 years ago | (#25392055)

Actually .. more like used to be $1350 for the midrange macbook (the better white one) I know - I just picked one up on Saturday (silly me, didn't know of the pending model refresh ... meh) The entry model was $1095 (I think ..) So ........ Its only a jump of $50

Re:They cost more (1)

chebucto (992517) | more than 5 years ago | (#25392229)

You're right... I just checked my (two week old) price list and it was $1350 for the mid range model. $1150 for the low end.

Low end price (2, Informative)

AlpineR (32307) | more than 5 years ago | (#25392299)

I've been checking out the MacBooks to console my sister who I advised to buy a white MacBook two weeks ago (d'oh!). I can't speak for the Canadian dollar, but in USD there's been a branching among MacBook models.

Before there were two: a $1049 model with 1 GB memory, etc and a $1299 model with 2 GB memory, etc. Both were white plastic. If you go to the store now there are two aluminum versions: a $1299 model with 2 GB memory, etc and a $1599 model also with 2 GB memory plus a 90 GB larger drive and a 2.4 GHz CPU versus 2.0 GHz for the cheaper model. If you look closely, there is also a $999 white plastic version with 1 GB memory, etc like before.

So the low end model did get cheaper. But it's still plastic, not the unibody aluminum. (So much for that being a cheaper process.) The old high-end model is the same price but with faster graphics. Then there is a new top-end model that is bigger, faster, and more expensive.

Re:Low end price (2, Informative)

chebucto (992517) | more than 5 years ago | (#25392471)

I fracked the price up, but I was right about the increase - at least for the mid and high end ones!

Before, the Canadian prices were $1149, $1349 and $1549. Now, the prices are $1149, $1399 and $1749. The current lowest-end one is the same as the old lowest-end one, except the former combodrive been upgraded to a superdrive. The mid- and high- end ones are the new models. So, it's not as bad as I said, but the trend is definitely upwards.

Re:They cost more (1)

el_munkie (145510) | more than 5 years ago | (#25393737)

Civ 4 works fine on my May 2007-era Macbook. I'm not sure what revision it is, but it has integrated graphics, the 2Ghz Core 2 Duo, and a gig of RAM. I imagine it'd work fine on a new machine.

Re:They cost more (1)

thompson.ash (1346829) | more than 5 years ago | (#25397573)

I didnt think its was Faster and Cheaper.

I was taught that what you get for a set amount of money will double every 18 months.

Moore's Law isn't it?

CBA to look it up. I'm supposed to be working :D

Who cares about the hard drive (0, Offtopic)

fermion (181285) | more than 5 years ago | (#25391595)

Everyone is saying, Look! it is easy to remove the hardrive! Yeah!

This is stupid. I think the most insane thing about any laptop is easy harddrive removal. It screams of a manufacturer that is going to save money using defective harddrives since they will be so easy to replace. Even if they go up in smoke after a year, the user will be able to replaced it.

Here is why I think this is a bad philosophy. First, the hard drive is where my data is stored. Even with a backup, I want to know that when I turn it on, it will work. Especially with a laptop. It is not like I am going to carry my backup with me? The naysayer will remind me that drive do not fail often. I reply that I buy macs because I do not want this critical component to fail at all. In all my years, I have only had three mac drives fail on me, and only after a few years of use. Ports, DVD drives, power adapters, fine. I can still get what I need to get done, then get it to the shop. Skimping on hard drives is unacceptable.

Second is security. I love the way that Apple has always built physical security into the products. Lockable lathes on the back of desktops, kensington lock on laptops. expensive components not trivial to reach. The only thing easy to steal on a pro laptop is the battery and sometimes the memory, which is a reasonable compromise as these are things that maybe switched out somewhat often. Ram at least requires a few screws being removed, which I think is good.

(note: it is possible that the latch is locked when the kensington cable it in. I can't tell, in which case this paragraph is not valid)
But why in the world would anyone want a hard drive that could be stolen in 30 seconds. This is data. This is some people life. I know it is not a huge security issue, but really. I see some HP laptops that could be stripped in a minute. The Ti Powerbook was the perfect compromise. Several screws, mostly of the same size, to remove the bottom cover, then a few more screws to remove the hard drive. I know from experience that the 12" powerbook is insane, and the Apple designer that did that should be flogged. Hard drives do fail, so one should not have to disassemble the whole machine to fix a part that is not likely to last the lifetime of the machine. I don't know how it is in the Mac Pro machines. Exposing the hard disk every time the battery is changed is just plan silly.

For that matter, making a battery change a two step process is silly. I know I just ranted on security, and how things might get stolen, but there has been times when I changed the battery every day. I am willing to risk a hundred dollars for an easier change out. I am not willing to trust Filevault to protect my data when someone steals the hard disk from my tethered and locked machine.

And what is it about hiding the memory. Apple must be really hard up for money if they are going to hid memory in hopes that users will buy Apple memory. There is only one thing that is still over priced at Apple. The memory. I will do without rather than pay apple prices. Non replaceable battery and memory in the macbook air, fine. No SD slot in the iPhone, fine. But making the HD a user replaceable part and the memory not, that is just silly.

In any case, the new mac books are something different, and will take some time to digest. I kind of like the mac book air if these are the compromises that are going to have to be made on the pro line. I guess we will wait and see what happens with the 17", if it ever appears. Maybe they will follow the rest of the industry and make it 18". That might be worth some shenanigans with memory.

Re:Who cares about the hard drive (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25391851)

Hiding the memory? What? It seems like its also a user serviceable part. It's not quite as easy to get to as the hard drive, but its still on the under side of the computer. You just unscrew it and bam, there it is.

Here's a picture:

http://images.macworld.com/images/news/graphics/136063-inside-top-door_original.jpg

Re:Who cares about the hard drive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25391921)

The latch locks with a kensington lock, and the memory is only 2-4 screws away.
Documented.

In other words, most of your post is worth shit.

Re:Who cares about the hard drive (3, Funny)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 5 years ago | (#25392071)

Maybe they designed it for people who want to cross the US border a lot?

Re:Who cares about the hard drive (4, Insightful)

catch23 (97972) | more than 5 years ago | (#25392201)

One doesn't only replace the hard drive due to failure. The last time I replaced my laptop hard drive was when I discovered I needed more room and didn't want to carry around another drive. I'm guessing most people upgrade their laptop drives for this reason.

Re:Who cares about the hard drive (1)

p0tat03 (985078) | more than 5 years ago | (#25394733)

On Apple laptops you do :) My MacBook Pro has had a failed hard drive (barely a year old), and out of the other Mac users I know there have been at least 5 other HDD failures. I don't know what causes it, maybe Apple uses shoddy parts, maybe it's bad thermal design... But Apple HDDs seem to die more often than the rest.

Re:Who cares about the hard drive (3, Informative)

Jophiel04 (1341463) | more than 5 years ago | (#25392433)

You should take a gander at the user manual for the new MacBooks, as the RAM is user replaceable. http://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/MacBook_13inch_Aluminum_Late2008.pdf [apple.com] As for your rant about the hard drive, this is a great move.

Do you realize what the most likely component on any given laptop to fail is? Setting aside occasional bad crops of GPUs, logic boards, the most likely component in a laptop to fail is the hard drive. Making replacing that simpler and easier is a great idea. In addition, apple charges ridiculous prices on their upgrades, so making yet another component in the machine readily user replaceable is both technically useful and empowers the consumers to make more relevant choices for themselves.

Re:Who cares about the hard drive (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 5 years ago | (#25392853)

The 12" Powerbook is one of the most jam-packed packages that I've ever seen, and is not user serviceable, for sure, but I've done a few HD replacements in various 12" PB's and a new Superdrive in one. You just have to keep track of the screws and use the Apple service manual to track which seemingly strange piece you need to remove next. I think they designed the internals with a spoon and a comedy foam hand.

These laptops though, have the two most commonly replaced items within a few easy-to-remove phillips screws.

At the very least it's going to make upgrades to all my family and friends' machines pretty easy in a couple of years.

I've only done two "dead drive" repairs (both on 12" PB actually), most of the hard drive changes I've done have been simple upgrades. I have a stack of 2.5" HDs in my desk that I use like removable disks in an external FW enclosure.

Re:Who cares about the hard drive (1)

merreborn (853723) | more than 5 years ago | (#25393029)

This is stupid. I think the most insane thing about any laptop is easy harddrive removal. It screams of a manufacturer that is going to save money using defective harddrives since they will be so easy to replace.

Or, you know, they're aware that harddrives follow the moore's law curve closely, and users frequently want to upgrade them.

I replaced the harddrive in my macbook, not because the old one failed, but because I just couldn't stand working with only 80 gig of space on a dual-booting machine anymore. I got a 250 gig drive for about $150. 18 months ago, when I bought the macbook, there was no such thing as a 2.5" 250 gig 7200 RPM drive. And if this thing's still kicking in another 3 years (which it may well be), I'll probably stick a 1.0 TB drive in it, which will cost about $100 by then.

But why in the world would anyone want a hard drive that could be stolen in 30 seconds.

No matter how difficult you make removing the drive, it only takes 3 seconds to just walk off with the whole laptop, much less the drive.

know from experience that the 12" powerbook is insane, and the Apple designer that did that should be flogged. Hard drives do fail, so one should not have to disassemble the whole machine to fix a part that is not likely to last the lifetime of the machine.

Wow, there's no satisfying you, is there? If it's hard to remove, it's too hard, and if it's easy, it's too easy.

User serviceable components are a good thing.

Re:Who cares about the hard drive (1)

gutter (27465) | more than 5 years ago | (#25394397)

The latch is locked when the kensington cable is in. I don't remember where I read this, but I'm 100% positive.

Re:Who cares about the hard drive (3, Informative)

MojoStan (776183) | more than 5 years ago | (#25395227)

The latch is locked when the kensington cable is in. I don't remember where I read this, but I'm 100% positive.

Just to make other readers 100% HIV positive, here's one place I read this: "Hands on with the Macbook/Pro's removable hard drive" [arstechnica.com] .

From TA:

  • "First, the battery cover is now removed with a latch instead of the old rotational lock that required a coin to turn. Secondly, the Kensington lock port, when activated, will also lock this latch and keep anyone from stealing your battery, and more importantly your removable hard drive."

I'm surprised anyone would complain about an easy-to-replace hard drive on a Mac. Some current and previous model Macs make it a pain in the arse to replace the hard drive.

Re:Who cares about the hard drive (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 5 years ago | (#25395575)

And what is it about hiding the memory. Apple must be really hard up for money if they are going to hid memory in hopes that users will buy Apple memory. There is only one thing that is still over priced at Apple. The memory. I will do without rather than pay apple prices. Non replaceable battery and memory in the macbook air, fine. No SD slot in the iPhone, fine. But making the HD a user replaceable part and the memory not, that is just silly.

You're being generous. Apple has been making lots of really bad hardware decisions for a couple years. I've eyed every Apple laptop upgrade since my Powerbook 170 with envy, occasionally succumbing (the pre-G3 PPC units being a marked exception). I've had Powerbooks, iBooks, I'm currently using a lovely MBP, but this current line is just problem after problem. It's like with the latest iMac revision when they went to a junk-quality screen - Apple's always had high margins, but you used to get a great computer for your money. I'm a value shopper, not a cost shopper, so they were my manufacturer of choice.

In any case, the new mac books are something different, and will take some time to digest.

Apple isn't stupid - they're clearly going after a different market - one that doesn't include me anymore.

Re:Who cares about the hard drive (1)

M-RES (653754) | more than 5 years ago | (#25398177)

Actually, up until yesterday I would have agreed with you about Apple's RAM pricing 100%. I'm in the market for a new laptop - the G4 PBook is about 5 years old now. So yesterday I had a look at the Apple Store. Checked the new MBP and had a look at how much it would cost to upgrade the RAM from 2Gb to 4Gb when I buy - 100 GBP. I did my usual comparison check on crucial's website, and rather than the half-price I'd normally expect them to be charging, they have a 4Gb kit for 96 GBP. Only 4 quid cheaper than Apple!!! This must be a first, heh. Mind you, I suppose if you buy from Crucial you can always sell the old 2x1Gb sticks on th'ebay to offset the cost, but still! Maybe Apple have taken note of how many people aren't buying their RAM 'upgrades' anymore.

Firewire (5, Interesting)

bladx (816461) | more than 5 years ago | (#25391691)

Wish the low end still had Firewire, though.
Even if you get the new display that can fit along with the new MacBooks... it has three USB ports in the back yet no Firewire!

I wonder if it's a power issue...

Pre-loaded with iMovie, but no DV camera interface (1)

zerocircle (559005) | more than 5 years ago | (#25392463)

Power issue or not, the lack of FireWire now officially makes the portable consumer-level Mac incompatible with the standard DV camera interface. I guess Steve really is pushing those memory-card HD cameras.

Re:Pre-loaded with iMovie, but no DV camera interf (1)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 5 years ago | (#25392999)

> I guess Steve really is pushing those memory-card HD cameras.

Nope. Steve figures if you can afford a camera with a firewire port you will spring for the MBP. You might piss and moan but in the end you will pull out the credit card. It's all about the money.

Re:Pre-loaded with iMovie, but no DV camera interf (1)

log0n (18224) | more than 5 years ago | (#25394529)

Not really.. firewire/DV has been fading over the last few years for consumer products. Flash/tapeless/USB transfer is pretty standard now in the consumer world. Old stuff won't really be useful, but Apple has never been about holding on to the old longer than necessary.

(fwiw i own mbp and am pro cam operator)

Re:Pre-loaded with iMovie, but no DV camera interf (2, Informative)

pizzach (1011925) | more than 5 years ago | (#25394977)

Nope. Steve figures if you can afford a camera with a firewire port you will spring for the MBP. You might piss and moan but in the end you will pull out the credit card. It's all about the money.

I think it's a general sign of Firewire disappearing from general consumer products. The first major sign that I noticed was the lack of easy backwards compatibility between Firewire 800 and Firewire 400. Now the port is disappearing from Apple computers too.

I wonder if Target Disk mode and such will be implemented for USB in Mac OS X? External hard drives were nice with Firewire because of how it in didn't burden the cpu like USB. But as with SCSI/ATA, chips are invented that offload the work from the CPU (sometimes diverging from the technology's spec to do so).

Meh.

Re:Pre-loaded with iMovie, but no DV camera interf (1)

M-RES (653754) | more than 5 years ago | (#25398241)

I think you can already target disk mode with a USB port... (would have to get back to you on that though). I know you can definitely boot off a USB drive, even though officially they claim you can only boot from a FireWire - just hold down Option at boot and select the USB drive (I know, it's not automated like Firewire, but it still works), so there's a good chance they'll have allowed USB to target-disk too.

Re:Pre-loaded with iMovie, but no DV camera interf (1)

EricWright (16803) | more than 5 years ago | (#25398543)

No, actually I won't. The wife's video camera is several years old and works just fine. I really want one of the new MacBook's (not the Pro), but the lack of a firewire port kind of sucks. I'm not going to toss out another $6-700 for a port (the rest of the upgrades really don't matter to me).

Now I don't know what I want...

No Firewire? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25392281)

What, no Firewire on the MacBook?!?! That's completely unacceptable...afterall Apple pretty much invented Firewire (in conjunction with TI, if memory serves me correct).

I think rush out and buy and "old" MacBook while its still available.

Shame on Apple For No Firewire MacBooks (1)

Apple Acolyte (517892) | more than 5 years ago | (#25392559)

The MacBooks, with their int-degraded graphics, were always lame, but axing Firewire 400 and not adding Firewire 800 is hella-lame. And this is coming from an "Apple Acolyte." Perhaps I need a different /. name.

Re:Shame on Apple For No Firewire MacBooks (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#25399407)

My last two laptops have been Macs, but looking at the new lineup I seem to be in a market segment Apple doesn't cater to anymore. Looks like my next laptop is going to have to come with a painful OS switch too. Something like the OpenPandora system looks nice. Give me one of those with a dual-core Cortex A9 and HDMI out and I'll be happy.

Apple following rather than leading? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25392749)

Calvin lay there in bed, next to his tiger. His fourteenth birthday was tomorrow. He was getting older, puberty striking at his mind, voice, and body. He kissed Hobbes on the cheek, puling him closer and thanking him for being his friend.

Then it happened. It had been happening often since he was thirteen and he had no control over it. His erection tented his boxers, pressing against his friend's rump.

"Stop.." Hobbes mumbled with a growl, pushing him away.

Calvin turned onto his back, pulling his under shorts down and revealing his standing pillar, about five inches. Average, he figured.

He shook Hobbes awake. He didn't wake easily and grumbled and growled, but eventually sat up. "What, Calvin?" He asked angrily, wanting very much to go back to sleep.

"I love you."

"I love you too.." Hobbes said awkwardly. 'What is this about?' He wondered.

"Do you really love me?"

"Yeah, why?" Hobbes sat up further, sleep forgotten.

"I want to mate with you.." Calvin blushed.

"Wait! What?"

"I love you so much, I want to show you how much I love you, how much I appreciate how you've cared for me over the years, and been there for me. Now I want to be there for you."

Hobbes looked perplexed, he stared at Calvin, and then at the corner of his eye, there he saw it, Calvin's standing erection, dead toward his face. He knew instantly.

"Oh..."

There was a pause, for a moment they did nothing but lay there, Calvin staring hungerly toward Hobbes' beautiful fuzzy face as he in turn looked directly at Calvin's smooth young cock. A feeling stirred inside of Hobbes that he'd never felt before, not even through all of the years they had been friends. He bit his lower lip.

"Calvin, I.."

"Please, just kiss me."

"I-"

"Please, just once. If you don't like it, I'll never bring it up again. Just once, please, for me."

Hobbes was silent, but then slowly replied.

"Okay. For you."

Calvin's hand reached up behind Hobbes' whiskered, furry neck, and slowly drew their faces closer to each other. His lips parted softly and a soft moaning emanated from them, anticipating the taste of his friends wet tiger mouth to come.

Hobbes resisted, but that only made Calvin pull him in harder. Their lips met sideways, mouths open, their labored breaths mixing with each others.

Calvin pulled away slightly as they fully contacted with each other.

"Oh, Hobbes. Hobbes..."

A wave of sensation filled Hobbes' entire body, every muscle quaked with a shock of pure pleasure, his body melted, his lips quivered as they moved wet and hot against his friends'. With each passing of their tongues, he became more ravenous. More hungry. More like a tiger. He suddenly pulled away, his claws extended, accidentally scratching Calvin across the cheek.

"Oh god, Calvin. I, fuck."

"Just let it come to you, old buddy."

"Fuck, I.. Fuck me."

"What?"

"I said fuck me. Fuck me now"

"Turn over."

Hobbes immediately and excitedly turned over onto his stomach, his ass facing toward Calvin, the muscles of his tail causing it to lift high in the air, exposing the bright pink, smooth asshole that poked through the fuzz of his tiger-cheeks. He moaned in soft anticipation. He was afraid Calvin's mother might hear.

"FUCK ME. PLEASE. PLEASE DON'T MAKE ME WAIT."

Hobbes was nearly crying, as Calvin's hesitation was like a thousand stabs to his heart. He felt like his world was tearing apart, lest his old childhood friend fucked him in the ass, right then and there.

"Sure thing, buddy." Calvin grasped the base of his cock, touching the top to the base of Hobbes' bright pink asshole.

From the depths of Hobbes' throat came a mighty roar like that which had never been witnessed, as Calvin's hard, 13 year old cock slid roughly into the depths of his ass. Calvin's hips began to jerk, he felt the warmth of his friend's insides, he was fucking Hobbes in the ass. He knew this, but he just couldn't believe it. But he always came back to that warmth, and it shocked him back to the pleasure of his present reality.

"OH GOD" Hobbes roared out, his English words were barely intelligible through his native animal tongue. Calvin pumped faster, harder, deeper into his tiger's asshole, feeling the warm, wet suction as it pumped in and out. Hobbes' asshole began to bleed, and it only made Calvin hornier.

"Oh God, oh Jesus. I love you, Hobbes. I love you."

"I love you too. Oh God I do."

Calvin's thrusting was so frantic, that neither had any room for words after so many minutes. They simply fell into the pleasure, into the depth of the feeling. Two friends, deeply rooted in fun and adventure, in the science of box transmogrify, time travel, Film Noir, it all came rushing to them. Calvin thought back on so many memories he'd had with this dear cherished friend, and came back to the moment at hand, and he realized that all of those beautiful moments finally had a focal point. He finally got what he wanted. He finally was making love to Hobbes. He continued to thrust, unthinking, until Hobbes turned, stared into his eyes.

"Remember the time your house was robbed while you were away on vacation? When I was in the house? Oh god, I was so scared. I thought I would never see you again. I wanted to tell you so many things. That night, god, I wanted you to make love to me. I thought I would never have you again. Please come. Come in me like I always wanted you to that night. COME IN ME"

Calvin's PENIS contracted in 5 spasms that shook the very depths of Hobbes' small, tight ass. He filled Hobbes to his stomach with his loving cum. He filled his ass. And he filled both of their hearts.

"GOD I FUCKING LOVE YOU. OH GOD."

"I LOVE YOU TOO. I LOVE YOU SO MUCH."

They screamed to the heavens, these two, best friends, becoming one.

Re:Apple following rather than leading? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25394517)

That is so wrong but yet so damn funny.

MacBook Hardware (5, Informative)

SLOviper (763177) | more than 5 years ago | (#25393055)

More information at ifixit.com with complete tear-aparts as usual:
MacBook: http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/First-Look/Mac/MacBook-Unibody [ifixit.com]
Pro: http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/First-Look/Mac/MacBook-Pro-Unibody [ifixit.com]

Re:MacBook Hardware (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25393803)

Here's why I've nearly given up on Slashdot (and yes I am posting as an AC because I don't give a shit). The parent is an awesome post that shows me precisely what I'm interested in: real nerd data about what the innards of these new and different machines are like. The score? +3 informative. Yet, the first post I can see that's highly rated is somebody bitching about how ugly the laptops are and is rated +4 insightful. Insightful? Give me a break! Have you even seen a thinkpad? Hello?! It's hard to compete with that kind of ugly, even a bottom of the line compaq is pretty relative to those and these apples looks like the Mona Lisa in comparison.

I personally don't like the look of these laptops, but that's the very last thing I'm interested in! As a geek, I'm interested in the exchangeable hard-drive and battery and the the monolithic aluminum frame/cover which presumably is going to limit flex and improve the lifetime of my laptop.

Slashdot is pathetic -- a bunch of nerds who care more how Apple markets itself than the computers they're making.

Re:MacBook Hardware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25394741)

It used to be better than this - kernel developers like Alan Cox posted here, along with developers at various companies, etc. But since Slashdot got mainstream coverage, a lot of people joined who really should have just stayed away (note the number of posters with uids over 700,000). Now the signal to noise is so bad that the situation you noticed has become the norm.

One particular idiot up above thought OS X uses the X Window system. The other day, some other moron thought Sun owned Oracle. And so on.

Mini DisplayPort is not a standard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25393513)

Apple turns a royalty-free standard connector into an Apple adapter-taxed unnecessarily necessary accessory.

Re:Mini DisplayPort is not a standard (3, Informative)

p0tat03 (985078) | more than 5 years ago | (#25394745)

I don't buy it either. Has Apple seen an HDMI port? It's downright tiny AND carries audio data (would work great if you want to put a movie on your TV!)... DisplayPort might be the new hotness, but HDMI is well-established, with lots of hardware and software support, and is small enough that Apple really wouldn't miss the room.

Re:Mini DisplayPort is not a standard (1)

Hannes2000 (1113397) | more than 5 years ago | (#25395623)

...and even the standard DisplayPort would fit into a notebook.

Re:Mini DisplayPort is not a standard (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25397225)

HDMI only supports resolutions up to 1920x1200. Apple's 30" displays use greater than this.

Re:Mini DisplayPort is not a standard (1)

bestinshow (985111) | more than 5 years ago | (#25399079)

DisplayPort can tunnel HDMI and DVI signals with a cheap adaptor (if Mini DisplayPort is a standard, then adaptors will appear for much cheaper than Apple's soon enough). It needs an active adaptor for VGA and dual-link DVI however (including in-line hardware for conversion).

It supports higher resolutions and bit-depth, unless you are using HDMI 1.3a.

Even the full size DisplayPort, err, port is about the same size as a HDMI port.

Glossy screen [--] (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25393587)

The glossy screen is a deal-breaker for me. I have looked at MacBooks with glossy screens several times and always came to the conclusion that I cannot work with such computers. All MacBooks with glossy screens means for me that I won't buy a MacBook - never ever. Will order a Dell Latitude tomorrow...

Just bought the 15" MacBook (3, Informative)

mlts (1038732) | more than 5 years ago | (#25393989)

My quick comments while I'm erasing the hard disk and reinstalling it: (I always erase the HDD on all new machines to check for any SMART errors, and to know that the install is clean)

First, the package it comes in is 20% smaller than the black MacBook's tote box. Styrofoam is a thing of the past, replacing it is plastic. Its easy to pull out the MacBook and peel off the plastic on it, easy to yank out the power adapter, but you have to use a thin piece of cardboard to pull the OS media box out as it is set flush, with no fingertip grips to make it easier. This is a very minor thing, though.

Second, the MacOS CDs are not 10.5.0 as with the black MacBook. You get 10.5.5, and a DVD with the applications.

Third, like every article says, if you need FireWire for mLAN or other music tasks, go for a Pro, or hit Apple Refurb for a previous model. FireWire is a thing of the past with this model. For what I'm using it for, the two USB ports are good.

Fourth, its noticably thinner than the MacBook it replaced. Its not thin enough to slide into an envelope, but its definitely able to be slipped in a briefcase. Its definitely a nice student notebook for sling through classes.

Fifth, I personally have not noticed any significant changes to the screen between the previous generation, but I'm glad Apple went this route, because LEDs supposedly have a much longer life than the CCFL backlights.

Those are my first impressions for now, while I blank the disk on it. Overall, for what I need it for (slinging it around campus) it should do the job well.

We can machine aluminum??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25395249)

Wow, Apple is making a huge deal about finally discovering that one can use a CNC milling machine to cut a part out of an aluminum billet. I hate to break it to them, but this has been done for decades in the aircraft industry. How about a real improvement like a rounded edge on the front of the lower shell so it doesn't cut into the user's wrists.

brb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25397817)

I just watched the videos attached to this article....

I need to go home and change. I just came so hard.
My spew was so huge that my entire office is coated. I need to run home for new clothes and towels.

brb

The cost, fucking cost, fu Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25397989)

I'm keeping my $699 because that is how much your hardware costs. Someone messed up the sticker price and pasted $2499 on it.

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