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Microsoft Considers "Instant On" Windows

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the catch-up dept.

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Barence writes "In what might be a glimpse of things to come in Windows 7, Microsoft is asking customers whether they would be interested in a new 'Instant-on' version of Windows. 'We would like your feedback on a new concept,' the Microsoft survey states. 'The Instant On experience is different from "Full Windows" because it limits what activities you can do and what applications you can have access to.' Sounds interesting but hardly new: Asus and Dell have produced laptops that provide swift access to apps and data using Linux subsystems."

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Finally some progress... (2, Funny)

Vadatajs (1367737) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402227)

Now it doesn't even have to boot to bluescreen?

Hype and Power management failure. (0, Troll)

twitter (104583) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402559)

This is an admission of failure from M$. Ordinary power management should be able to bring you the full OS quickly but it does not under Windows. GNU/Linux does work, despite intentional sabotage [slashdot.org]. This intentionally limited "instant on" won't be able to compete, even if they can make it work. Right now, it's just more vaporware.

Next Windows should be Windows Verde (4, Interesting)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402629)

The green os. 12-18% better power savings for 'always-on' desktops. Sell it to the CFO, not the CTO, and leverage half the marketing budget to the Windows Green campaign. Don't bother with other features or capabilities. They are unneeded, and do nothing to drive adoption or deployment. (Sorry, feature teams.)

Re:Next Windows should be Windows Verde (2, Insightful)

butalearner (1235200) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402795)

The green os. 12-18% better power savings for 'always-on' desktops. Sell it to the CFO, not the CTO, and leverage half the marketing budget to the Windows Green campaign. Don't bother with other features or capabilities. They are unneeded, and do nothing to drive adoption or deployment. (Sorry, feature teams.)

You got modded funny, but that's a pretty damn brilliant marketing gimmick. Better than anything Microsoft has come up with recently, that's for sure.

Green for Windows Verde, then brown for ... (5, Funny)

zooblethorpe (686757) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402869)

Presumably the box and ads would be green, too? Then maybe they could have a color-coded release scheme, instead of the letters and numbers used to date. A green campaign for Windows Verde, followed by a brown campaign for the upgrade to Windows Merde! :D

Cheers,

Re:Next Windows should be Windows Verde (4, Interesting)

Missing_dc (1074809) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402991)

You are forgetting the benefits of instant login machines. Instant on and instant login saves 5-15 minutes per day of user time. GEICO used to insist that their employees were logged in and ready to take calls when their shifts started. This got them a class-action lawsuit over the non-paid work and overtime accrued by their phone reps. (are your company's practices as unfair?)

My opinion (5, Insightful)

harris s newman (714436) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402229)

In all honesty, I love the multiple minutes it takes to bring up windows now. Instant on would be a detriment.

Re:My opinion (1)

Spazztastic (814296) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402255)

I see some of these expectations to be ridiculous. It takes me 20 seconds for my work laptop -- Compaq 2510p -- to come back from hibernate. I don't need anything faster then that.

Standby isn't actually being powered off, but the laptops we distribute to employees standby when the lid is closed, and they come right back up once you open the lid again.

Re:My opinion (5, Funny)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402293)

In all honesty, I love the multiple minutes it takes to bring up windows now. Instant on would be a detriment.

Oh my God, the fucking Comcast turtle posts to Slashdot.

Re:My opinion (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25402985)

"Instant On" Would be the worst thing EVER!!!

Windows is a great excuse to get up, get some coffee or tea, and spend the first 15 minutes of your day doing NOTHING.

Yes because as we all know... (5, Insightful)

i_want_you_to_throw_ (559379) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402241)

ANYTHING that Windows wants to do to improve sucks and linux has already done it, done it better, cured cancer, etc.

Seriously is there anyone on /. that isn't a "me too, me too" Microsoft sucks, Linux is good person?

Jesus this is like Digg more and more everyday.

OK bitches mod me down now.

Re:Mod parent down (-1, Offtopic)

lorenzino (1130749) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402275)

Mod parent down!

Uptime... (0, Offtopic)

matt4077 (581118) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402243)

...19:21 up 30 days, 20 hrs, 3 users, load averages: 0.52 0.32 0.32

That's a Macbook Air. Why does anybody turn their notebooks off?

Re:Uptime... (5, Funny)

thewils (463314) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402379)

System Up Time: 0 Days, 21 Hours, 32 Minutes, 58 Seconds

Why does anybody turn their notebooks off?

Windows Update :( Not "off" but restart.

Re:Uptime... (5, Interesting)

Jake73 (306340) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402897)

System Up Time: 0 Days, 21 Hours, 32 Minutes, 58 Seconds

Why does anybody turn their notebooks off?

Windows Update :( Not "off" but restart.

Hm. I run both Windows and Mac. I can't remember the last time I did any update to a Mac that didn't require a restart. It's really pretty annoying.

Windows has gotten much better about not requiring restarts for updates. A huge change from its Windows 95/98 and NT days.

If you wanted an uptime contest... (4, Insightful)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402443)

Look, I can beat you in an uptime contest. Observe:
  1. 13:27:54 up 29 days, 19:11, 8 users, load average: 0.01, 0.06, 0.07
  2. 13:33:46 up 101 days, 4:32, 1 user, load average: 0.20, 0.05, 0.01

But I can think of plenty of reasons to turn a notebook off. For example, a kernel update (we get those a lot in Fedora). Or a hardware upgrade. Or a low battery. Or extended storage. Or, if you are using a dual-boot system, to switch OSes.

Re:If you wanted an uptime contest... (4, Funny)

thewils (463314) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402587)

FreeBSD box :) up 465 days, 1:48, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

Re:If you wanted an uptime contest... (1)

matt4077 (581118) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402655)

With those loads, Al Gore would like to talk to you. But seriously, I was just trying to make the point that the hardware is able to handle standby well, so why don't they work on improving that? Or is standby working perfectly on windows, but it's the users that feel they have to turn the machine off for every coffee break (I've seen that quite a few times with Mac users, where I KNOW it's ridiculous).

Re:If you wanted an uptime contest... (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25402673)

That's it?

Re:If you wanted an uptime contest... (3, Funny)

Trashman (3003) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402697)

FreeBSD box :) up 465 days, 1:48, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

Bah, HPUX 11.0:

    2:00pm up 613 days, 19:43, 17 users, load average: 0.19, 0.19, 0.19

Re:If you wanted an uptime contest... (2, Funny)

Ramjet350 (582868) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402931)

Bah, Suse ES10 2:06pm up 642 days 20:26, 3 users, load average: 0.30, 0.22, 0.18 :)

Re:If you wanted an uptime contest... (3, Interesting)

JustinOpinion (1246824) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402727)

Uptime contests are fun and all. But I'm always suspicious of systems with very long uptimes: they probably haven't had a kernel update since that last reboot... meaning that they are a highly vulnerable box.

My Ubuntu machine has uptimes that are about 30-90 days, which is entirely based on new kernel releases. I've never had an unintended reboot (e.g. from a freeze or crash).

(Yes, there are methods [slashdot.org] of updating the kernel without rebooting... but most people with massive uptimes seem to achieve it not by using these tricks but rather by not touching the box.)

Re:If you wanted an uptime contest... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25402783)

I see your FreeBSD and raise you, um . . . FreeBSD

su-2.05$ uptime
10:57AM up 737 days, 1:11, 11 users, load averages: 0.01, 0.07, 0.07

Re:If you wanted an uptime contest... (5, Funny)

butalearner (1235200) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402925)

I see your FreeBSD and raise you, um . . . FreeBSD

su-2.05$ uptime 10:57AM up 737 days, 1:11, 11 users, load averages: 0.01, 0.07, 0.07

You guys are all weak. Windows Vista Ultimate:

11:03:42 up 1010 days, 8:11, 1 user, load average: 0.99, 0.99, 0.99

I'm almost completely booted up now!

Re:Uptime... (4, Interesting)

FrankSchwab (675585) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402659)

Because I have a secondary monitor to the left of my Microsoft Windows Vista laptop. Why is that an issue?
  - Because after undocking, Microsoft Outlook insists on opening on that (non-existent) monitor.
  - Because after re-docking, Microsoft Windows insists on logically placing my external monitor to the RIGHT of my Laptop, and swapping the screens that the start bar and sidebar show up on.
  - Because after undocking, carrying my laptop to the conference room and plugging it into the projector, all kinds of weird things happen.

That's why I shutdown daily.

Re:Uptime... (4, Insightful)

timeOday (582209) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402735)

Bingo, the real world is that people have to reboot their laptops far too often because of problems with docking and un-docking. Instead of instant booting to a toy OS, I'd rather MS focus their resources on getting ALL the corner cases of hibernation to work right (multiple/external displays, intermittent network availability, external and network hard drives, etc).

The only practical way this will ever work is coercing hardware manufacturers to stick to more specific standards. In practice, ACPI hasn't solved it.

Re:Uptime... (1)

halsver (885120) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402743)

You need a Thinkpad, its the only laptop I've used that manages switching displays moderately well.

No, I don't work for IBM/Lenovo.

Re:Uptime... (1)

Jerrry (43027) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402971)

...11:07 up 472 days, 21 hours, 3 users, load averages: 1.23 0.44 0.17

This is my PowerMac G4. I never shut it down, just put it to sleep. Longest I've ever been able to keep a Windows laptop up was a week.

Instant on UI (5, Funny)

rlp (11898) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402249)

The UI for the new "Instant-On Windows" is a black screen with the text "C:\>".

Re:Instant on UI (1)

the_B0fh (208483) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402349)

I would have thought it would be:

Your group is currently "mkpasswd". This indicates that
the /etc/passwd (and possibly /etc/group) files should be rebuilt.
See the man pages for mkpasswd and mkgroup then, for example, run
mkpasswd -l [-d] > /etc/passwd
mkgroup -l [-d] > /etc/group
Note that the -d switch is necessary for domain users.

goodb0fh@b0fhmobile ~

That way, I can run mplayer and other things too.

Re:Instant on UI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25402595)

Ugh, i keep reading mkpasswd as "mmmmkay password".. mmmkay?

Re:Instant on UI (2, Funny)

noidentity (188756) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402369)

Close; the instant-on feature allows you a myriad of options, including a) continuing to boot into windows (2 minutes), or b) turn off computer. This will take a few years to implement, though.

Re:Instant on UI (4, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402771)

And if you choose A, you'll get three pop-ups:

"Are you sure you want to boot to application? Yes/No"

"Windows needs your permission to use this program: Windows. If you do not trust the source do not use this program. This program can potentially harm your computer. Allow/Cancel"

"Confirm boot-up to Windows: Yes/No"

Re:Instant on UI (5, Funny)

mangu (126918) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402733)

How cute, an emoticon of a frowning bald guy with a goatee! What does it mean?

WinTerm (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402291)

Sounds like a windows terminal to me. You can be instant on, and lease all your applications from microsoft.

Of course, now that we have metered service back, that will again kill the ASP business model off, this time once and for all. ( just in time for us all having enough bandwidth to make it finally work, the rug was pulled out from underneath us )

Sounds like MinWin (1)

Valtor (34080) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402299)

That sounds like MinWin, which is a very good thing. I would love to have the option of booting in a very minimal Win32 OS !

Re:Sounds like MinWin (1)

hvm2hvm (1208954) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402775)

My friend customized XP and got it to run only 2 services (which he couldn't disable). It was very small and ran really well. He couldn't install things or access the network though. Still, it had awesome FPS ratios in games :D

Re:Sounds like MinWin (3, Informative)

mangu (126918) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402919)

Try end it all [google.com]. It doesnt affect boot time, you do a normal boot and then run end-it-all, but its great for games, you get more fps and, more important, less crashes.

Why give an option? (4, Insightful)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402301)

Certainly there must be a way to offer these "instant on" apps while the rest of the subsystems load in the background. And if that's true then there's no need for an option, just always do it. It sounds like it's only an all-or-nothing proposition because they're copying the way others are currently doing it.

Re:Why give an option? (4, Funny)

OglinTatas (710589) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402681)

"...because they're copying the way others are currently doing it."

because they're innovating the way others are currently doing it.

Re:Why give an option? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25402781)

Certainly there must be a way to offer these "instant on" apps while the rest of the subsystems load in the background.

Yes, because the "Log me in and show my desktop, but don't let me do anything while you load everything in the background" is great right now. If they try to go "instant on" and load the rest of the subsystems in the background, then you'll have to stare at your desktop for 8 minutes instead of 3, hoping your boss doesn't come over and see you staring at an empty desktop. Granted, part of this problem is corporate crapware installed on my box by corporate IT, but not all of it.

Re:Why give an option? (1)

fermion (181285) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402861)

I agree. Windows should just boot up quickly, and be instant on from sleep. I think this is a minimum requirement. I think in the bad old days, the it was good to have the windows logo sitting there for multiple minutes for branding purposes, unlike the MS DOS days when one did not even know what the OS was a the diagnostics and loading were done in seconds.

Now that MS does not need to brand MS Windows, and in fact ran away from the brand with MS Vista, some work was done to get move to the desktop quickly. But that just deferred some work until after the user logged in. Honestly, if the machine was responsive 15-30 seconds after the desktop loaded, it would not be so bad. Some it may be an XP issue fixed in Vista. Some of it should be solved when MS has 100% of the OS code threaded and optimized for multicores. I think this would be much better use of time than hacking a PDA on top of the OS.

Nothing new here.... (2, Interesting)

FutureCIS (1382381) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402303)

Why is it that Microsoft has no original ideas of their own? Have you ever noticed that whenever Microsoft puts out a new product/service/concept there is substantial proof that it has already been done by someone else? The worse part of this whole thing is, Microsoft convinces the public that their idea is something new!!! Whats wrong with all the Sheeple!!!

Nothing new here....Headlights. (4, Insightful)

Ostracus (1354233) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402401)

"Why is it that Microsoft has no original ideas of their own?"

One could very well ask FOSS the same question. Any takers?

"The worse part of this whole thing is, Microsoft convinces the public that their idea is something new!!!"

Like Apple?

Re:Nothing new here....Headlights. (1, Interesting)

FutureCIS (1382381) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402483)

"One could very well ask FOSS the same question. Any takers?" You can ask but I guarantee you that FOSS has more original ideas then Microsoft. "Like Apple?" Apple at least embraces the open source community and plays an active role in it.

Re:Nothing new here....Headlights. (4, Informative)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402713)

"One could very well ask FOSS the same question. Any takers?"

You can ask but I guarantee you that FOSS has more original ideas then Microsoft.

"Like Apple?"

Apple at least embraces the open source community and plays an active role in it.

Apple embraces the open source community with the most locked down systems and electronics made by any vendor not working on a defense contract. That must be a tight embrace.

Re:Nothing new here....Headlights. (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402785)

Like Apple?

Apple borrows a lot from existing technology but I have never seen them claim that they invented it. Where people see Apple as a leader is that they have at times been a pioneer in implementing it before others have. For example, PCs started coming with USB (which was invented by Intel) around 1993, however Apple was the first to drop all their other peripheral ports besides USB (and Firewire) starting with the original iMac. To this day, most PCs motherboards still come with legacy PS/2 and serial ports that are rarely used.

Things that I remember Apple being the 1st in laptops: trackpads, integrated camera and microphone, magsafe power adapter, slot optical drives, multi-touch trackpads.

Re:Nothing new here.... (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402489)

Why is it that Microsoft has no original ideas of their own?

I would think it comes from having almost no competition for nearly a long time. Look at what happened to IE after they won the browser wars. Now that there is competition, they have to shift from the strategy of defense to offense. The problem is in the meantime, MS has added multiple lines of businesses and find themselves unfocused without a clear strategy of what to do with so many fronts. A strong leader might be able to point them in the right direction. My personal opinion is that Ballmer is not such a person.

Re:Nothing new here.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25402645)

Simpsons did it!

Instant On (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25402313)

Ok, so, you can get Windows instantly, but note that it says you will be limited to the applications and what you can do.

I'm not another "me too, me too" Linux fan, I've been using it as my main desktop for 18 months. And the Linux instant on desktops are fully featured. Not cut down. Sorry Microsoft, you fail.

Re:Instant On (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25402419)

Only because Linux ISN'T fully featured.

Obligate smartypants reply... (1, Funny)

catdevnull (531283) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402317)

"...it limits what activities you can do and what applications you can have access to..."

Sort of like Vista, eh?

[hit 'submit' before changing my mind...]

Nope. (5, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402321)

Instant on is useless if you can't do everything you want; which is what this is.

How about an don't need to reboot version?

Re:Nope. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25402625)

you'll always need to reboot occasionally to clear up (and defragment?) RAM.

Re:Nope. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25402823)

AGREED!!! I hate having to reboot! And Instant on is already available.. its called SLEEP MODE!

Instant on while it loads up the rest? (2, Insightful)

slysithesuperspy (919764) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402335)

Can't we have best of both worlds? Perhaps booting instantly a browser and basic apps, and then loading up other stuff in the background?

Or how about it loading up bits that you need, when you need them?

What an original idea - NOT! (2, Informative)

gabrieltss (64078) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402345)

What joke!

We did this with an 68020 Amiga 2000 back in the early ninties. We bought an eeprom board and burned the whole Amiga OS (all 6 880K floppies and the rom image) to eeprom then plugged the board into the rom slot. The Amiga came up within milliseconds with the Workbench screen. Of course if you tried to do this with windows you would need 100 gigbytes of memory to do it...

Ok, next original idea from Microsoft please....

Re:What an original idea - NOT! (3, Insightful)

jonnythan (79727) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402527)

No one said it was an original idea.

Does it need to be an original idea for them to implement it? Are only original ideas worth adding to an OS?

Re:What an original idea - NOT! (3, Insightful)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402641)

"Does it need to be an original idea for them to implement it?"

Only if it is Microsoft - the bar is higher for them because nobody likes the company.

Re:What an original idea - NOT! (5, Informative)

butalearner (1235200) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402671)

No one said it was an original idea.

Does it need to be an original idea for them to implement it? Are only original ideas worth adding to an OS?

Nobody, that is, except Microsoft in the actual survey. From TFA:

"We would like your feedback on a new concept," the Microsoft survey states, according to a leaked version sent to Engadget.

Re:What an original idea - NOT! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25402757)

Not only does it not be original for them to use it, it doesn't have to be original for them to pattent it! Which I'm sure they will...

Re:What an original idea - NOT! (1)

qoncept (599709) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402947)

Was a 6mb eeprom any less expensive in "the early 90s" than 100gb of RAM would be now? And how is writing a 6mb operating system to an eeprom comparable to loading only bare essential libraries to do basic tasks with a modern (scratch that; future) operating system? Get a life, man. Girls like sensitive guys, but they want you to be sensitive to them, not Bill Gates.

Full windows? (2, Interesting)

superphreak (785821) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402347)

From the article:
The concept is called 'Instant On'. 'Instant On' takes your computer from being completely powered down or 'turned off' to being usable for a few specific activities in a very short amount of time."
Glad they clarified that powered down and turned off are the same thing. S3, anyone? Small power draw and "instant on" with "full features." I wonder if instant on will be (much) faster than resuming from hibernate. It would be hard to justify an instant on for limited features unless it's a whole lot faster than resuming from hibernate.

"Obviously the systems that are greater than 60 seconds have something we need to dramatically improve- whether these are devices, networking, or software issues."
So, instant on will shave it down to... 30 seconds? Also have to wonder if this will be standard in 7 or something you get to pay extra for.

Wow! What a novel idea! (1)

butalearner (1235200) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402351)

I'm glad we have Microsoft to come up with these innovative ideas, because Linux developers could never come up with something like this on our own [splashtop.com]! Thanks Microsoft!

Re:Wow! What a novel idea! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25402383)

Right, because this was all about Microsoft claiming a new idea. Slashdot retards attack!!!

Re:Wow! What a novel idea! (5, Informative)

butalearner (1235200) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402463)

Right, because this was all about Microsoft claiming a new idea. Slashdot retards attack!!!

I know this is Slashdot, but you could at least try to RTFA:

We would like your feedback on a new concept...The concept is called 'Instant On'. 'Instant On' takes your computer from being completely powered down or 'turned off' to being usable for a few specific activities in a very short amount of time.

Quick! Slashdot Microsoft apologists to the rescue!

Re:Wow! What a novel idea! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25402491)

I think you mean "Slashdot fucktards", we don't want to insult actual mentally challenged folks who usually operate at a higher mental capacity than is displayed by many of the comments on Slashdot. :)

Re:Wow! What a novel idea! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25402447)

Obviously the Linux developers traveled into the future, stole Microsoft's idea, brought it back in time and implemented it! Like many Microsoft innovations, this idea has been stolen by their sneaky time-traveling competitors!

Re:Wow! What a novel idea! (1)

thewils (463314) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402501)

Hey, I want that Splashtop Toaster that they have in their video demo. Apparently it's a no-wait one. You just turn it on and up pops the toast, no waiting whatsoever!!

Cool! At least that's probably what the toast is. It's a bad analogy worthy of slashdot, even my windoze box boots faster than it takes to toast a couple rounds of bread. Or even a bagel. But I digress.

Vista loading times *Configuring updates* (1)

jadedoto (1242580) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402363)

After sitting through "Please Wait. Configuring Updates" every time that I would shut down and boot Vista, this would in fact be a welcomed change. Well, I switched to Linux anyway... But okay.

Ok, and now get me an instant-off feature please. (1)

anomnomnomymous (1321267) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402429)

They might as well get to work on an instant-shutdown feature too: Whereas I know the sortof exact time it takes my machine to boot up (to the point where you recognize the beeps and clicks of the HD ;-) ), it's always different in how much time it will take to turn off.

I can't really pinpoint why it sometimes takes ages for it too shut down: I have a habit of closing all my running programs first (not the ones in the trays), so the shutdown times shouldn't be too different.

Re:Ok, and now get me an instant-off feature pleas (1)

mrhthepie (1387337) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402899)

I know my computer's startup far too well as well. It sends me into paranoia overdrive when it's different because it updated at last shutdown.

New? (1)

I.M.O.G. (811163) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402475)

So maybe it's not the first time it's been done... Speaking as someone whose stuck on Windows in certain regards of his job, I would absolutely be interested in an instant-on subsystem which allows some utility in a standard Windows install without all the overhead that comes along with it.

My needs when running to meetings, on the road, and taking notes in seminars do not call for much more than a pen and paper, but my handwriting sucks. If its packaged into a standard windows install, its more likely that it might see the light of day in my corporate environment - third party options from specific vendors are far less likely to see usage, and they aren't offered by the vendor we go thru.

Thats because... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25402503)

Thats because you have automatic updates set to download/install... Turn them off and you wont get that message.... just hax0red

Well, that explains it all again (4, Insightful)

yttrstein (891553) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402549)

The very fact that Microsoft as an organization cannot see that an "instant on" operating system would be a really, really major boon for them (my god, its so obvious my CAT is nodding) casts the entire company in a very, very bleak light.

Easy Lazy Instant-On/Off... (4, Interesting)

nweaver (113078) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402563)

Boot the system. Now snapshot a memory image (a'la hybernate).

Now for "instant on", set up the page table and start running, and in the background, lazily swap in the rest of the memory. Anything you need immediately gets paged from disk, and the rest of the state gets swept up over the next 30 seconds.

Also, in the background, do "lazy write" as well: Any page that is stable for >X seconds but the disk is still active, write it out, so that going back to sleep (rehibernating) can be fast as well.

Instant Off (1)

RemoWilliams84 (1348761) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402615)

How bout an instant off windows. I know I wish for one of these everytime I boot up Vista. I think instant on would just make the pain begin sooner.

I'd enjoy it if they focused it on... (2, Insightful)

ceosion (991657) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402617)

I'd enjoy an "instant-on" version of Windows if they focused it on productivity software and casual access to the internet. I'd also need to see it improve laptop battery life by a fair amount. Let's speculate: if this version of Windows allowed you to run Microsoft Office, Internet Explorer (with overhead plugins turned off, such as FlashPlayer) and gave you access to file servers (FTP, SSH, etc.) and sported a 50% battery life improvement, I'd use it! This is a perfect setup for what I need from my laptop when I'm going about my day from classes and meetings.

linux subsystems? (1)

the unbeliever (201915) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402711)

I can attest to the fact that Dell uses XP Embedded for Dell Media Direct, and always has. I don't know about Asus.

Suspend-to-disk... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25402741)

"Limited activities"? No. Why not use suspend-to-disk as the default way to power off?

Instant On? (1)

johnshirley (709044) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402825)

So it can suck sooner and recover from its daily reboots faster? Glad I don't have to do daily (or even weekly or monthly) reboots on my *nix boxes:

11:57:02 up 291 days, 23:16, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

[Yeah, it's working hard.] 'Course, on that box it takes about four minutes for a reboot. Most of that time is waiting for system BIOS and RAID controllers to start.

bi7Ch (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25402871)

800 mhz mA1chine

Is this really a software issue? (1)

netruner (588721) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402937)

How much would it take for RAM modules be made such that they persist their state (like flash ram)? Or even have a motherboard that matches the size of RAM with flash and does a "hardware initiated hybernate". Granted, some work would need to be done to speed up the process, but "instant on" seems to be a missing hardware feature that is exacerbated by software using more time than necessary to start up.

Older computers ran fast with simple software and less and slower RAM. Has our capability scaled at the same rate as our system requirements?

How about we just fix the existing sleep mode? (2, Informative)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 5 years ago | (#25402977)

Normal Windows would be fine if it could sleep/wake up without locking up or losing half the devices and forcing a reboot.

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