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BSDanywhere Announces First Release

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 5 years ago | from the anywhere-that-has-an-optical-drive-that-is dept.

Operating Systems 97

The call of ktulu writes "Good things come to those who wait. After eight months of work the relatively new project BSDanywhere has announced its first final release 4.3. BSDanywhere is a bootable Live-CD image based on OpenBSD. It consists of the entire OpenBSD base system (without compiler) plus enlightenment desktop, an unrepresentative collection of software, automatic hardware detection and support for many graphics cards, sound cards, SCSI and USB devices as well as other peripherals. Give it a spin."

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97 comments

BSOD Anywhere??? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25417195)

Why in God's name would I want a BSOD anywhere...?

cd Enilightenment-dr0.13 (2, Funny)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 5 years ago | (#25418003)

mkxmf

make enlightenment

(hmmnn. I've got 15 minutes. I wonder what's on "Chips'N'Dips"?)

BSD? (5, Funny)

stim (732091) | more than 5 years ago | (#25417197)

BSD? Whats that, some type of lunix?

Re:BSD? (1)

Windows_NT (1353809) | more than 5 years ago | (#25417457)

BSD is a type of oral Sex, geez dont you watch any porno?
j/k ... It think this is great, because OpenBSD is a great OS and is worth downloading an ISO of a live version.
What i dont understand is why you would make it live? this software cant be something you would use for surfing the web or something. More for breaking and entering i would think. thats what im going to use it for ... System repairs, although im not sure is BSD supports NTFS? Some quick googling shows that NTFS is not enabled by default and requires a custom kernel .. So did they include it? and do i get a copy of rainbowCrack with it? [antsight.com]

Re:BSD? (2, Interesting)

stim (732091) | more than 5 years ago | (#25417493)

Yeah, i can't really fathom why one would need a livecd for BSD other than ease of install... Unless they are gunning for desktop use, which BSD isn't exactly famous for, unless you count OS X (which I don't).

Re:BSD? (1)

Chemisor (97276) | more than 5 years ago | (#25419447)

Nah, it stands for Blue Screen of Death.

Re:BSD? (1)

DaVince21 (1342819) | more than 5 years ago | (#25423121)

Rather just "Blue Screen Death" - the action of causing and displaying a BSOD. :P

no compiler? (2, Interesting)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 5 years ago | (#25417223)

No compiler? What, why?

Re:no compiler? (2, Informative)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#25417365)

Because CDs can only hold what -- 700 MB? Compilers take space. The purpose of the LiveCD is attract new users into the fold, not to preach to the choir.

Re:no compiler? (3, Insightful)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 5 years ago | (#25417445)

Shame. Who would use OpenBSD beyond system admins and developers I can't really see. And as another post noted below, you still have to roll your own install media or fork over money.

(oh, and the instructions on making your media are not very clear. Basically says "look at the files here, and have fun)

Re:no compiler? (3, Informative)

Piranhaa (672441) | more than 5 years ago | (#25417943)

Sorry, you are mistaken:
http://sunsite.ualberta.ca/pub/OpenBSD/4.3/i386/install43.iso [ualberta.ca] (203M)

They've had a bootable CD ISO for quite some time, but would be required to do a net install. It's not a big deal since the whole download is just over 100MB. If you couldn't do that you, would need to supply another CD or USB with the install files on it. In the last 2-3 releases, the OpenBSD started created a pre-compiled bootable ISO with all the files included.

Installs removed - - Was: Re:no compiler? (2, Interesting)

MrZaius (321037) | more than 5 years ago | (#25422695)

Actually, it looks like the last prerelease beta's big "feature" was that it stripped away an already extant installation routine.

There's a reason I don't bother with source-based Linux distributions anymore, and I've never seen one that made installation anywhere near the level of sheer PITA that you see in OpenBSD. User friendly LiveCDs like this are built to pitch an OS as a desktop OS, not a server OS. To strip away a user-friendly installation routine and call it a "feature" seems like a joke to me.

It's intentionally thumbing your nose like this to users that drives them away. I'm at an absolute loss as to why this is supposed to be a decent alternative to a modern BSD and Linux based LiveCD with fully functional installation routines, limiting your level of hassle to one download or purchase. Again, PITA/not going to bother, although I would in a heartbeat if properly packaged ala an Ubuntu LiveCD.

Re:no compiler? (2, Funny)

OrangeCowHide (810076) | more than 5 years ago | (#25418103)

I did fork over the money for a OpenBSD 4.3 CD, and I installed it on one machine. A few months later I was going to install it a second time, and the CD was nowhere to be found. I suspect they send out Daemons to sneak into your house and steal copies of your CDs so you have to buy it again (note: yes I am aware that they have downloadable ISOs now, that doesn't stop me from wanting to contribute to a good project).

Re:no compiler? (4, Insightful)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 5 years ago | (#25418231)

Who would use OpenBSD beyond system admins and developers I can't really see.

What's wrong with OpenBSD? The latest release comes with a lot of software, including a recent(-ish) version of KDE. While it's not my first choice for a desktop, I wouldn't cry if someone told me I had to use it.

Re:no compiler? (4, Insightful)

BPPG (1181851) | more than 5 years ago | (#25418313)

Shame. Who would use OpenBSD beyond system admins and developers I can't really see.

Think kids. As in smart, curious kids. Yes, they still make those.

Re:no compiler? (2, Interesting)

Spit (23158) | more than 5 years ago | (#25419607)

OpenBSD has distrbuted the full install iso online for a few releases now. But if you're not a jerk you'll support the project by buying the official package.

Re:no compiler? (1)

cl0s (1322587) | more than 5 years ago | (#25420565)

Aye, I contribute by testing.

Re:no compiler? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25424465)

"Who would use OpenBSD beyond system admins and developers I can't really see."

I agree, you are certainly limited in your thinking and shortsighted. I didn't expect you to be so clear about your lackings. I applaud you for coming out on /. and openly admitting it. It's rare to see such honesty of one's ignorance.

I do have to say though, that if your're indeed happy with your selection of an OS or kernal, fine, but that doesn't mean your way is the only way.

For example, OpenBSD users tend to be those...

...people who believe in consistent standards.

...who believe in not just good code, but excellent code.

...who want to use a system that has seeded good projects to nearly every other OS out there, including Linux.

...who care about a more free licensing scheme.

...who frankly are sick of everyone on the Linux bandwagon and slowing it down.

...who don't want to be owned/hacked/spied on.

Look much beyond what is in front you to explore other options are there. But admitting that you lack the time, effort, and intelligence to do so is really admirable.

Re:no compiler? (3, Insightful)

mi (197448) | more than 5 years ago | (#25417417)

No compiler? What, why?

Why would you want a compiler on a read-only system? A text-editor may be useful to craft an e-mail (in /tmp), but results of compilation are typically expected to survive a reboot or two...

Re:no compiler? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25418457)

I actually ran into this situation yesterday: I'm testing a Fedora Live CD on my XO. I need to download something before I bring up X, but I don't have a way to give NetworkManager my WPA creds without the applet. I find a tarball of something that will work, copy it over on a USB stick, but the installer requires Make.

And who would ever need Make on a livecd? Aaargh.

Of course it's a rare enough thing that I do agree with your point.

Re:no compiler? (4, Insightful)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 5 years ago | (#25419005)

What about something like a student lab. The system boots to an always clean environment, you do some programming exercises including compilation and save the results to a USB flash drive. Next student reboots so nothing nasty is left over from previous users (except filth sneezed onto the keyboard).

Re:no compiler? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25420037)

What about something like a student lab. The system boots to an always clean environment, you do some programming exercises including compilation and save the results to a USB flash drive. Next student reboots so nothing nasty is left over from previous users (except filth sneezed onto the keyboard).

Just mount the directory that the compiler lives in over NFS (along with the student's homedir).

Re:no compiler? (2, Insightful)

mi (197448) | more than 5 years ago | (#25421739)

Student labs tend to be administered by professional admins. Those people neither need nor will accept a one-size-fits all solution made by someone else. And they can devise a read-only boot-from-the-network solution, that works better, is easier to maintain, and is otherwise superior to a pre-made CD.

But yes, there may be cases, where a compiler could come handy even on a read-only system. Yet, when deciding, what to throw out to save space, the compiler toolchain is the obvious first candidate — right after the UUCP subsystem (if OpenBSD still includes that even in the full distribution — FreeBSD no longer does, for example).

Re:no compiler? (4, Informative)

Piranhaa (672441) | more than 5 years ago | (#25417505)

It's not a big deal. You can simply extract comp43.tgz from any OpenBSD mirror.. Just for the record, it's 75MB gzip COMPRESSED. But ya, why would you need a compiler for a bootable CD?

Found here: http://sunsite.ualberta.ca/pub/OpenBSD/4.3/i386/comp43.tgz [ualberta.ca]

Re:no compiler? (2, Informative)

bhima (46039) | more than 5 years ago | (#25417561)

It's just a rescue CD anyway...

I am trying think of a time I needed a compiler on a box I was using a rescue CD on and I'm pretty sure I've forced the experience from my memory. I have a pretty low tolerance for that sort of thing anyway. So usually I just go in grab the data and config files, then reinstall current. But I haven't done that recently either. Knock on wood...

Also I am not sure of the utility of having an "unrepresentative collection of software" on a rescue CD. I guess this must be significant to someone...

heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25417225)

Just 15 minutes ago I received my CDs of OpenBSD 4.4

Re:heh (1)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 5 years ago | (#25417255)

Can you pleasepleasepleaseplease post some ISOs somewhere?

Re:heh (2, Insightful)

bhima (46039) | more than 5 years ago | (#25417833)

They've been up on a variety of torrent sites for a while and you can get them from the OpenBSD website. I've been using it off and on for years and I think it's worth ponying up for the install disks. I keep coming back so I guess they're doing something right.

They also have a rather small CD image you could download and then do the rest of the install via FTP.

Re:heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25418033)

ISO on the fridge

ISO on the cabinet

ISO on the window sill, need anymore?

Re:heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25418339)

Here you go. [openbsd.org] (It's 4.3; 4.4 isn't out on ftp yet).

Re:heh (2, Insightful)

grub (11606) | more than 5 years ago | (#25420109)

I received 3x copies of 4.4 today as well (we order a few at work). November 1 they'll have the ISOs up (they do that now).

Just IMHO, though, if you're a *nix weenie and don't use OpenBSD it's almost a certainty that you use OpenSSH. It's a good gesture to toss them a few bucks for an ISO set or donate.

A LiveCD ... (5, Funny)

upside (574799) | more than 5 years ago | (#25417249)

... of a dead OS? (Netcraft etc.)

Re:A LiveCD ... (2, Funny)

Piranhaa (672441) | more than 5 years ago | (#25417699)

OpenBSD is far from dead, buddy. PF, OpenSSH, OpenCVS.. all being widely adopted and ported across OS'. Hell, even windows uses OpenBSD code BSD Licensed code in its OS (traceroute anyone?). The code is solid and highly audited before AND after release. There's a reason there have only been a couple of remote holes in over 10 years. There are NO binary blobs in source and drivers are reverse engineered if necessary to add to the OS. And on another note, the BSD license is a very easy license to follow if needing to reuse the code. There are 3 clauses, and the last one is optional by the author(s) of the code:

* Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer.
* Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution.
* Neither the name of the nor the names of its contributors may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software without specific prior written permission.

After having used OpenBSD now for 7 or 8 years, I REFUSE to put anything else facing my internet connection. It just doesn't make sense.

Re:A LiveCD ... (2, Funny)

stim (732091) | more than 5 years ago | (#25417745)

WOOSH!

Re:A LiveCD ... (3, Funny)

JustOK (667959) | more than 5 years ago | (#25417753)

you must be new here.

Re:A LiveCD ... (1)

Wraithlyn (133796) | more than 5 years ago | (#25418503)

"Netcraft confirms it, BSD [or other] is dying" is kind've a running joke around here (which is why OP is modded "funny").

It's pretty much a rubber-stamp troll post designed to elicit responses like... well exactly like your post. ;)

Read more about common Slashdot memes [wikipedia.org] . And yes, you must memorize every single one before posting another byte to the hallowed halls of /. ;)

Re:A LiveCD ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25424789)

I applaud those who disregard the in-jokes and tired memes, and respond with a straight face. Keep it coming! Eventually, the "you must be new here" and "woooosh" remarks will get old and annoying, and the annoyance will rub off on the memes.

Memes are viruses of the mind. They don't need or deserve eternal life.

Re:A LiveCD ... (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 5 years ago | (#25427437)

I think this confirms it: Netcraft is dying!

Re:A LiveCD ... (1)

The Moof (859402) | more than 5 years ago | (#25418427)

The name should've been ZomBSD.

Re:A LiveCD ... (1)

BobNET (119675) | more than 5 years ago | (#25420121)

The name should've been ZomBSD.

I agree, it is undeadly [undeadly.org] ...

Re:A LiveCD ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25418993)

We're safe unless it figures out how to open doors...

Re:A LiveCD ... (1)

grub (11606) | more than 5 years ago | (#25420219)


I don't know about the OS being dead, I've used it for many years.

But there's another side to OpenBSD most geeks don't realize, I'll relate my experiences here.

Many years around the early 2.x releases I read until my eyes were bleeding about OpenBSD. The ferocity towards 'noob' questions on the lists was legendary, even back then. I bought a copy of the CDs and installed it a Pentium I had.

The next morning when I woke up I felt something odd around my nether-regions.

My penis had grown at least 10 cm (4") overnight, and that was just in girth. I was hung like a stallion.

Staggering to the bathroom for a shower I saw in the mirror that my facial features looked more chiselled, for lack of a better word. My jaw was prominent. Then I realized I lost all my geek belly fat.

I hadn't looked that good since I was 20.

Hoping into the shower I was lathering up and I smelled mint coming from somewhere. Wasn't the soap, wasn't the shampoo. What the hell? I realized then that the smell was coming from under my nose.

OpenBSD even made my breath minty fresh. Permanently. I threw away my toothbrush several days later.

I don't need to tell you about what happened with my Holmesian nether-regions but a few hints: peanut butter, latex gloves, cloven hooves.

OpenBSD made me what I am today.

Re:A LiveCD ... (1)

Raenex (947668) | more than 5 years ago | (#25420727)

OpenBSD made me what I am today.

A dork?

Fun, but not installable from this CD (3, Informative)

gardyloo (512791) | more than 5 years ago | (#25417265)

Many live CD systems now have taken to being installable from those same CDs. According to the release announcement, one still has to acquire an OpenBSD release set to install to hdd. Too bad.

Re:Fun, but not installable from this CD (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25417541)

It's supposed to encourage users to purchase the real set from the project.

Re:Fun, but not installable from this CD (1)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 5 years ago | (#25417581)

Lower the price and I might consider. At that price and the hassle it is to deal without forking cash over, I'll give OpenBSD a pass.

Re:Fun, but not installable from this CD (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 5 years ago | (#25418461)

Uhm, huh? Firstly I think this post just perfectly symbolises the 'any price is too expensive for me' mindset that some Slashdotters seem to have, and secondly, downloading a prepackaged ISO is too much 'hassle'? How do you manage to get out of bed in a morning?

Re:Fun, but not installable from this CD (4, Funny)

BobNET (119675) | more than 5 years ago | (#25420315)

How do you manage to get out of bed in a morning?

Morning routine:

  1. Wake up
  2. Start BSDanywhere download
  3. Get out from under the covers

Laptops are weird.

Re:Fun, but not installable from this CD (1)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 5 years ago | (#25421277)

Last I checked, a prebuilt ISO was not available.

$40 is too much for me. $20 is my psychological turning-point with software.

Re:Fun, but not installable from this CD (1)

ir (104) | more than 5 years ago | (#25422631)

Maybe they'll accept food stamps, just for you.

Re:Fun, but not installable from this CD (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 5 years ago | (#25423469)

You must have 'last checked' quite a while ago, prebuilt ISOs have been available for at least the last two releases -

http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/4.3/i386/install43.iso [mirrorservice.org]

http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/4.2/i386/install42.iso [mirrorservice.org]

Re:Fun, but not installable from this CD (1)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 5 years ago | (#25428481)

Yes.. it's been a while.

Re:Fun, but not installable from this CD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25418015)

You can download OpenBSD now. Since release 4.2, a year ago, actually. In a few months you will be able to download 4.4. If you do download it, you will notice how it is UNIX done right, if that is even possible and will want to have more money to buy the CD sets and all the merchandising you can get.
They ask you to give money to the project because they cannot give more without starving to death. Because OpenBSD is really that good.

Re:Fun, but not installable from this CD (1)

eudaemon (320983) | more than 5 years ago | (#25419251)

OpenBSD -- It's what is on my firewall and should be on yours. My only complaint about OpenBSD?
I can't afford to contribute enough $$ to get listed in the liner notes anymore.

Re:Fun, but not installable from this CD (1)

e9th (652576) | more than 5 years ago | (#25421217)

Don't worry about the liner notes - they stopped including the list of donors after 3.6, referring you here [openbsd.org] instead.

Re:Fun, but not installable from this CD (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 5 years ago | (#25418755)

Full-featured live CD/DVDs with installers are very handy.

It's nice to surf for more information while you install, especially if you run into problems. Dual-use install media are a great convenience for Linux users. It is reasonable to expect other OS to be offered that way if their proponents are serious about market penetration. It works for Ubuntu/Kubuntu/other 'buntus.

Get the Beta 3 and earlier. (1)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 5 years ago | (#25421077)

The final version removed some of the stuff that's needed, just grab the betas.

Re:Fun, but not installable from this CD (1)

wdef (1050680) | more than 5 years ago | (#25423317)

With a bit of fiddling it should be possible to hack this cd to copy the system onto a hard drive and get a boot loader set up. Though I'm not familiar with the initial stages of BSD boot, it can't be that hard to unravel? But you're right - it should have an install script to do that for you. Plus a knoppix-based live cd like Damnsmalllinux can run all from ramdisk (fast!), or can do a "frugal" install in addition to a conventional hd install. All automated. What options does this provide?

Firewire Support? (1)

TheNecromancer (179644) | more than 5 years ago | (#25417279)

Yeah, but does it have FireWire support?

http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/10/17/1331229 [slashdot.org]

Re:Firewire Support? (4, Funny)

Windows_NT (1353809) | more than 5 years ago | (#25417355)

Cmon now, BSD isnt some flakey OS [apple.com] you put on a MacBook [apple.com]

Re:Firewire Support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25417403)

Yeah, but can it run Doom?

Re:Firewire Support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25417677)

Yes [nabble.com] , now go away.

Re:Firewire Support? (1)

BobNET (119675) | more than 5 years ago | (#25420361)

Thanks, I hadn't seen that port yet. Looks like the same guy has created ports for several editing tools as well as PrBoom-plus, but none of them have been included in the ports tree yet. (Too close to 4.4 release time, maybe...)

First release version 4.3?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25417321)

Looks like this story [slashdot.org] was a precursor to this one.

Joe The Plumber, +3, PatRIOTic (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25417357)

One, John McCain is essentially brain-dead. All you have to do is listen to him blabber his response to any question. I was a "P.O.W.". Two, Joe The Plumber is just an abstraction of the proletarian stooges who believe
in the non-issues of McCain.

I have two orders of business regarding Joe The Plumber. In the first place, I find The Plumber's reification of irrationalism a tad disconcerting. Of course, this sounds simple, but in reality, the real issue is simple: He should stop playing verbal games and tell us what he really means.

The Plumber's goons are tools. Like a hammer or an axe, they are not inherently evil or destructive. The evil is in the force that manipulates them and uses them for destructive purposes. That evil is Joe The Plumber, who wants nothing less than to effectuate the downfall of all that is decent and civilized. He likes to compare his causeries to those that shaped this nation. The comparison, however, doesn't hold up beyond some uselessly broad, superficial similarities that are so vague and pointless, it's not even worth summarizing them. What do we owe The Plumber? Nothing, absolutely nothing. If he claims otherwise, we have to stand firm and point out that because of The Plumber's obsession with charlatanism, in my effort to uncover his hidden prejudices, I will need to introduce an important but underrepresented angle on his phlegmatic quips. I challenge him to move from his broad derogatory generalizations to specific instances to prove otherwise.

The Plumber's statements such as "The Plumber's way of life is correct and everyone else's isn't" indicate that we're not all looking at the same set of facts. Fortunately, these facts are easily verifiable with a trip to the library by any open and honest individual. Ladies and gentlemen, in order to put an end to The Plumber's evildoing, tremendous sacrifices and equally great labors will be necessary. An equal but opposite observation is that I wish that one of the innumerable busybodies who are forever making "statistical studies" about nonsense would instead make a statistical study that means something. For example, I'd like to see a statistical study of The Plumber's capacity to learn the obvious. Also worthwhile would be a statistical study of how many sniffish meatheads realize that The Plumber seems to have recently added the word "superultrafrostified" to his otherwise simplistic vocabulary. I suppose he intends to use big words like that to obscure the fact that the few pestiferous, pouty blackguards who deny this are not only wrong, they are willfully stuck-up. That should serve as the final, ultimate, irrefutable proof that The Plumber writes a lot of long statements that mean practically nothing. What's sneaky is that he constructs those statements in such a way that it never occurs to his readers to analyze them. Analysis would almost certainly indicate that to the extent that my own age and health will permit, I will criticize the obvious incongruities presented by The Plumber and his pals. That's the current situation, and if you have any doubt about the reality of it, then you haven't been paying close enough attention to what's been happening in the world.

To put a little finer edge on the concept, The Plumber has spent untold hours trying to shame my name. During that time, did it ever once occur to him that he has deported himself as an enemy of peace and harmony? Well, while you're deliberating over that, let me ask you another question: Is his incessant burbling about the wonders of emotionalism supposed to convince us that militarism can quell the hatred and disorder in our society? Now, not to bombard you with too many questions, but no one likes being attacked by self-deceiving jackanapes. Even worse, The Plumber exploits our fear of those attacks -- which he claims will evolve any day now into biological, chemical, or nuclear attacks -- as a pretext to undermine the current world order. If you think that's scary, then you should remember that an axiom among The Plumber's fans is that The Plumber can convince criminals to fill out an application form before committing a crime. And let me tell you, there is an unpleasant fact, painful to the tender-minded, that one can deduce from the laws of nature. This fact is also conclusively established by direct observation. It is a fact so obvious that rational people have always known it and no one doubted it until The Plumber and his legates started trying to deny it. The fact to which I am referring states that The Plumber once tried to advocate his remonstrations amid a hue and cry as asinine as it is uncompromising. If you consider this an exception to the rule then you surely don't understand how The Plumber operates. I hope, however, that you at least understand that he shouldn't keep us perennially behind the eight ball. That's just plain common sense. Of course, the people who appreciate his morals are those who eagerly root up common sense, prominently hold it out, and decry it as poison with astonishing alacrity.

Who could have guessed that The Plumber would rewrite history to reflect or magnify an imaginary "victimhood"? To put it another way, has anyone ever seen him working instead of plundering, stealing, and living off the sweat of others? We must decidedly ask ourselves questions like that before it's too late, before The Plumber gets the opportunity to reconstitute society on the basis of arrested development and envious malevolence. He often uses the phrase, "Studies show that...", to introduce statements that wind up being chiefly about ideology, hunch, or preference, at least insofar as this essay is concerned. It may be obvious but should nonetheless be acknowledged that honest people will admit that he wants to accelerate the natural tendency of civilization to devolve from order to chaos, liberty to tyranny, and virtue to vice, even though, for most people, this desire is neither necessary nor instinctive. Concerned people are not afraid to fix our sights on eternity. And sensible people know that if we were to let The Plumber get away with plaguing our minds, that would be a gross miscarriage of justice. He doesn't want us to insist on a policy of zero tolerance toward anarchism. He would rather we settle for the meatless bone of vigilantism.

I am worried about a new physiognomy of servitude, a compliant citizenry relieved of its burdens by a "compassionate" Joe The Plumber. It's hard to spot the compassion when you notice that The Plumber worships his own ignorance. That's clear. But to The Plumber's mind, war is peace, freedom is slavery, and ignorance is strength. So that means that it is his moral imperative to organize a whispering campaign against me, right? No, not right. The truth is that it has been said that The Plumber confuses entertainment with learning. I believe that to be true. I also believe that if you'll allow me a minor dysphemism, the longer we delay action, the harder it will be to combat the temperamental ideology of neocolonialism that has infected the minds of so many crafty common criminals. Or, to phrase that a little more politely, The Plumber never tires of trying to extinguish fires with gasoline. He presumably hopes that the magic formula will work some day. In the meantime, he seems to have resolved to learn nothing from experience, which tells us that he is totally superstitious, as he has proved to my complete satisfaction.

Perhaps The Plumber has never had to take a stand and fight for something as critical as our right to build a coalition of stouthearted people devoted to stopping him. But he takes things out of context, twists them around, and then neglects to provide decent referencing so the reader can check up on him. The Plumber also ignores all of the evidence that doesn't support (or in many cases directly contradicts) his position. One doesn't need a finely developed sense of irony to note that he has announced his intentions to put increased disruptive powers in the hands of incomprehensible slubberdegullions. While doing so may earn The Plumber a gold star from the mush-for-brains anti-intellectualism crowd, he can get away with lies (e.g., that bad things "just happen" (i.e., they're not caused by The Plumber himself)) because the average person cannot imagine anyone lying so brazenly. Not one person in a hundred will actually check out the facts for himself and discover that The Plumber is lying.

As far as I'm concerned, I once had a nightmare in which The Plumber was free to promote oligophrenic ideologies such as jingoism. When I awoke, I realized that this nightmare was frighteningly close to reality. For instance, it is the case both in my nightmare and in reality that I want nothing more -- or less -- than to pave the way for people of every sex, race, and socioeconomic status to fulfill their own spiritual destiny. To that task I have consecrated my life and I invite you to do likewise. As a matter of policy, feckless rascals should not make us less united, less moral, less sensitive, less engaged, and more perversely supercilious but this has never stopped The Plumber. He's up to his neck in criminal activity. Get that straight, please. Any other thinking is blame-shoving or responsibility-dodging. Furthermore, The Plumber deeply believes that the Earth is flat. Meanwhile, back on Earth, the truth is very simple: We must work together to free The Plumber's mind from the constricting trammels of antagonism and the counterfeit moral inhibitions that have replaced true morality. What can you do to help? For starters, you might want to promote peace, prosperity, and quality of life, both here and abroad. I personally derive great satisfaction in doing that sort of thing because The Plumber fervently believes that his blessing is the equivalent of a papal imprimatur. This shows that he is not merely mistaken about one little fact among millions of facts but that The Plumber has gotten away with so much for so long that he's lost all sense of caution, all sense of limits. If you think about it, only a man without any sense of limits could desire to force us to do things or take stands against our will.

Why does The Plumber want to lobotomize everyone caught thinking an independent thought? Psychologists might suggest that he is not just conceited but proud of it. Counselors might warrant that I, unlike The Plumber, refuse to usher in the rule of the Antichrist and the apocalyptic end times. Sociologists might point out that only The Plumber could possibly avouch that Man's eternal search for Truth is a challenge to be avoided at all costs. I agree with the above assessments, but this is not Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia, where the state would be eager to criticize other people's beliefs, fashion sense, and lifestyle. Not yet, at least. But by brainwashing his helots with despotism, The Plumber makes them easy to lead, easy to program, and easy to enslave. He has an almost mystical faith in cameralism. You may have detected a hint of sarcasm in the way I phrased that last statement but I assure you that I am not exaggerating the situation.

By putting tactless thoughts in our children's minds, The Plumber reveals his ignorance about Maoism's polyvocality. He probably also doesn't realize that his secret agents have tried repeatedly to assure me that he will eventually tire of his plan to rip off everyone and his brother and will then step aside and let us establish democracy and equality. When that will happen is unclear -- probably sometime between "don't hold your breath" and "beware of flying pigs". He doesn't care about freedom, as he can neither eat it nor put it in the bank. It's just a word to him. Even though The Plumber gained ascendancy through monstrous abuse of his coadjutors, this does not negate the fact that many people are shocked when I tell them that The Plumber seems to enjoy making unfounded statements and jumping to conclusions. And I'm shocked that so many people are shocked. You see, I had thought everybody already knew that this is betrayal of the many by the few. Excuse me; that's not entirely correct. What I meant to say is that The Plumber's words are continually evolving into more and more dodgy incarnations. Here, I'm not just talking about evolution in a simply Darwinist sense; I'm also talking about how The Plumber has certainly never given evidence of thinking extensively. Or at all, for that matter. So you see, Joe The Plumber's prophecies appeal to people who are fearful about the world's political and economic situation and long for simple solutions to complex problems.

Cordially,
Kilgore Trout

Re:Joe The Plumber, +3, PatRIOTic (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25417613)

Hi, I am an IT person. I make mirrors for living. I made a mirror for that previous comment for easier access. I also look for a job as a senious executive.

Mirror starts here:

One, John McCain is essentially brain-dead. All you have to do is listen to him blabber his response to any question. I was a "P.O.W.". Two, Joe The Plumber is just an abstraction of the proletarian stooges who believe
in the non-issues of McCain.

I have two orders of business regarding Joe The Plumber. In the first place, I find The Plumber's reification of irrationalism a tad disconcerting. Of course, this sounds simple, but in reality, the real issue is simple: He should stop playing verbal games and tell us what he really means.

The Plumber's goons are tools. Like a hammer or an axe, they are not inherently evil or destructive. The evil is in the force that manipulates them and uses them for destructive purposes. That evil is Joe The Plumber, who wants nothing less than to effectuate the downfall of all that is decent and civilized. He likes to compare his causeries to those that shaped this nation. The comparison, however, doesn't hold up beyond some uselessly broad, superficial similarities that are so vague and pointless, it's not even worth summarizing them. What do we owe The Plumber? Nothing, absolutely nothing. If he claims otherwise, we have to stand firm and point out that because of The Plumber's obsession with charlatanism, in my effort to uncover his hidden prejudices, I will need to introduce an important but underrepresented angle on his phlegmatic quips. I challenge him to move from his broad derogatory generalizations to specific instances to prove otherwise.

The Plumber's statements such as "The Plumber's way of life is correct and everyone else's isn't" indicate that we're not all looking at the same set of facts. Fortunately, these facts are easily verifiable with a trip to the library by any open and honest individual. Ladies and gentlemen, in order to put an end to The Plumber's evildoing, tremendous sacrifices and equally great labors will be necessary. An equal but opposite observation is that I wish that one of the innumerable busybodies who are forever making "statistical studies" about nonsense would instead make a statistical study that means something. For example, I'd like to see a statistical study of The Plumber's capacity to learn the obvious. Also worthwhile would be a statistical study of how many sniffish meatheads realize that The Plumber seems to have recently added the word "superultrafrostified" to his otherwise simplistic vocabulary. I suppose he intends to use big words like that to obscure the fact that the few pestiferous, pouty blackguards who deny this are not only wrong, they are willfully stuck-up. That should serve as the final, ultimate, irrefutable proof that The Plumber writes a lot of long statements that mean practically nothing. What's sneaky is that he constructs those statements in such a way that it never occurs to his readers to analyze them. Analysis would almost certainly indicate that to the extent that my own age and health will permit, I will criticize the obvious incongruities presented by The Plumber and his pals. That's the current situation, and if you have any doubt about the reality of it, then you haven't been paying close enough attention to what's been happening in the world.

To put a little finer edge on the concept, The Plumber has spent untold hours trying to shame my name. During that time, did it ever once occur to him that he has deported himself as an enemy of peace and harmony? Well, while you're deliberating over that, let me ask you another question: Is his incessant burbling about the wonders of emotionalism supposed to convince us that militarism can quell the hatred and disorder in our society? Now, not to bombard you with too many questions, but no one likes being attacked by self-deceiving jackanapes. Even worse, The Plumber exploits our fear of those attacks -- which he claims will evolve any day now into biological, chemical, or nuclear attacks -- as a pretext to undermine the current world order. If you think that's scary, then you should remember that an axiom among The Plumber's fans is that The Plumber can convince criminals to fill out an application form before committing a crime. And let me tell you, there is an unpleasant fact, painful to the tender-minded, that one can deduce from the laws of nature. This fact is also conclusively established by direct observation. It is a fact so obvious that rational people have always known it and no one doubted it until The Plumber and his legates started trying to deny it. The fact to which I am referring states that The Plumber once tried to advocate his remonstrations amid a hue and cry as asinine as it is uncompromising. If you consider this an exception to the rule then you surely don't understand how The Plumber operates. I hope, however, that you at least understand that he shouldn't keep us perennially behind the eight ball. That's just plain common sense. Of course, the people who appreciate his morals are those who eagerly root up common sense, prominently hold it out, and decry it as poison with astonishing alacrity.

Who could have guessed that The Plumber would rewrite history to reflect or magnify an imaginary "victimhood"? To put it another way, has anyone ever seen him working instead of plundering, stealing, and living off the sweat of others? We must decidedly ask ourselves questions like that before it's too late, before The Plumber gets the opportunity to reconstitute society on the basis of arrested development and envious malevolence. He often uses the phrase, "Studies show that...", to introduce statements that wind up being chiefly about ideology, hunch, or preference, at least insofar as this essay is concerned. It may be obvious but should nonetheless be acknowledged that honest people will admit that he wants to accelerate the natural tendency of civilization to devolve from order to chaos, liberty to tyranny, and virtue to vice, even though, for most people, this desire is neither necessary nor instinctive. Concerned people are not afraid to fix our sights on eternity. And sensible people know that if we were to let The Plumber get away with plaguing our minds, that would be a gross miscarriage of justice. He doesn't want us to insist on a policy of zero tolerance toward anarchism. He would rather we settle for the meatless bone of vigilantism.

I am worried about a new physiognomy of servitude, a compliant citizenry relieved of its burdens by a "compassionate" Joe The Plumber. It's hard to spot the compassion when you notice that The Plumber worships his own ignorance. That's clear. But to The Plumber's mind, war is peace, freedom is slavery, and ignorance is strength. So that means that it is his moral imperative to organize a whispering campaign against me, right? No, not right. The truth is that it has been said that The Plumber confuses entertainment with learning. I believe that to be true. I also believe that if you'll allow me a minor dysphemism, the longer we delay action, the harder it will be to combat the temperamental ideology of neocolonialism that has infected the minds of so many crafty common criminals. Or, to phrase that a little more politely, The Plumber never tires of trying to extinguish fires with gasoline. He presumably hopes that the magic formula will work some day. In the meantime, he seems to have resolved to learn nothing from experience, which tells us that he is totally superstitious, as he has proved to my complete satisfaction.

Perhaps The Plumber has never had to take a stand and fight for something as critical as our right to build a coalition of stouthearted people devoted to stopping him. But he takes things out of context, twists them around, and then neglects to provide decent referencing so the reader can check up on him. The Plumber also ignores all of the evidence that doesn't support (or in many cases directly contradicts) his position. One doesn't need a finely developed sense of irony to note that he has announced his intentions to put increased disruptive powers in the hands of incomprehensible slubberdegullions. While doing so may earn The Plumber a gold star from the mush-for-brains anti-intellectualism crowd, he can get away with lies (e.g., that bad things "just happen" (i.e., they're not caused by The Plumber himself)) because the average person cannot imagine anyone lying so brazenly. Not one person in a hundred will actually check out the facts for himself and discover that The Plumber is lying.

As far as I'm concerned, I once had a nightmare in which The Plumber was free to promote oligophrenic ideologies such as jingoism. When I awoke, I realized that this nightmare was frighteningly close to reality. For instance, it is the case both in my nightmare and in reality that I want nothing more -- or less -- than to pave the way for people of every sex, race, and socioeconomic status to fulfill their own spiritual destiny. To that task I have consecrated my life and I invite you to do likewise. As a matter of policy, feckless rascals should not make us less united, less moral, less sensitive, less engaged, and more perversely supercilious but this has never stopped The Plumber. He's up to his neck in criminal activity. Get that straight, please. Any other thinking is blame-shoving or responsibility-dodging. Furthermore, The Plumber deeply believes that the Earth is flat. Meanwhile, back on Earth, the truth is very simple: We must work together to free The Plumber's mind from the constricting trammels of antagonism and the counterfeit moral inhibitions that have replaced true morality. What can you do to help? For starters, you might want to promote peace, prosperity, and quality of life, both here and abroad. I personally derive great satisfaction in doing that sort of thing because The Plumber fervently believes that his blessing is the equivalent of a papal imprimatur. This shows that he is not merely mistaken about one little fact among millions of facts but that The Plumber has gotten away with so much for so long that he's lost all sense of caution, all sense of limits. If you think about it, only a man without any sense of limits could desire to force us to do things or take stands against our will.

Why does The Plumber want to lobotomize everyone caught thinking an independent thought? Psychologists might suggest that he is not just conceited but proud of it. Counselors might warrant that I, unlike The Plumber, refuse to usher in the rule of the Antichrist and the apocalyptic end times. Sociologists might point out that only The Plumber could possibly avouch that Man's eternal search for Truth is a challenge to be avoided at all costs. I agree with the above assessments, but this is not Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia, where the state would be eager to criticize other people's beliefs, fashion sense, and lifestyle. Not yet, at least. But by brainwashing his helots with despotism, The Plumber makes them easy to lead, easy to program, and easy to enslave. He has an almost mystical faith in cameralism. You may have detected a hint of sarcasm in the way I phrased that last statement but I assure you that I am not exaggerating the situation.

By putting tactless thoughts in our children's minds, The Plumber reveals his ignorance about Maoism's polyvocality. He probably also doesn't realize that his secret agents have tried repeatedly to assure me that he will eventually tire of his plan to rip off everyone and his brother and will then step aside and let us establish democracy and equality. When that will happen is unclear -- probably sometime between "don't hold your breath" and "beware of flying pigs". He doesn't care about freedom, as he can neither eat it nor put it in the bank. It's just a word to him. Even though The Plumber gained ascendancy through monstrous abuse of his coadjutors, this does not negate the fact that many people are shocked when I tell them that The Plumber seems to enjoy making unfounded statements and jumping to conclusions. And I'm shocked that so many people are shocked. You see, I had thought everybody already knew that this is betrayal of the many by the few. Excuse me; that's not entirely correct. What I meant to say is that The Plumber's words are continually evolving into more and more dodgy incarnations. Here, I'm not just talking about evolution in a simply Darwinist sense; I'm also talking about how The Plumber has certainly never given evidence of thinking extensively. Or at all, for that matter. So you see, Joe The Plumber's prophecies appeal to people who are fearful about the world's political and economic situation and long for simple solutions to complex problems.

Cordially,
Kilgore Trout

-1, redundant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25417669)

They already covered this on Saturday Night Live: Weekend Update. -1 redundant.

Re:Joe The Plumber, +3, PatRIOTic (0)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 5 years ago | (#25417705)

If you think any of that will get read, your on crack. Don't you have something else to do?

Your assertion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25417741)

has been falsified.

What exactly about the software... (2, Insightful)

TheModelEskimo (968202) | more than 5 years ago | (#25417703)

...is it that makes it "unrepresentative?" Is this like those people who hand you their resume and say, "actually this doesn't really represent me so please feel free to call if you have any questions?"

Booo (0)

Thelasko (1196535) | more than 5 years ago | (#25417763)

I'm interested in running BSD, but let me know when they make a version that's as easy to install as Ubuntu and doesn't use KDE. I'm not a KDE fan, and it seems that with BSD you have an option of KDE or CLI and that's it.

There are plenty of LiveCD versions of BSD, but you can't install any of them! Honesty, I really like FreeSBIE. [freesbie.org] I just wish they would make it capable of installing itself on a hard disk.

IMHO BSDanywhere is completely pointless.

Re:Booo (1)

dragonmantank (992476) | more than 5 years ago | (#25417981)

Gnome is in packages and there are lots of other Window Managers ported to OpenBSD...

Re:Booo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25418123)

If you're too stupid to install to install Gnome from ports, you're too stupid to care what Window Manager you're using.

Re:Booo (1)

Thelasko (1196535) | more than 5 years ago | (#25418199)

If you're too stupid to install to install Gnome from ports, you're too stupid to care what Window Manager you're using.

Ladies and Gentlemen, the reason BSD is dying is because people are too stupid!

Re:Booo (1)

BPPG (1181851) | more than 5 years ago | (#25418451)

Try out PCBSD [pcbsd.org] , based of FreeBSD, aiming to be a alternative to Ubuntu.

If you are really that interested, you should be able to stomach installing GNOME on your own. Heck, google around, maybe somebody has already made a PCBSD remix with gnome as default.

Re:Booo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25419209)

Next you'll be want an install process that shakes your dick for you after going to the bathroom. OpenBSD It is easy to install even without their purchased disks. How spoiled and lazy can you be?

Re:Booo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25422839)

cause it ... ehm .. doesn't use KDE?

Who is Dany where (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25418017)

and why is he or she selling their BS?

Frost 4ifst (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25418121)

Re:Frost 4ifst (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25418809)

Somebody is working on his candidate for the next "Turing test" contest. How cute! And impressive, it is likely more intelligent than its creator.

Great initiative (2, Interesting)

chrysalis (50680) | more than 5 years ago | (#25418255)

Nowadays, anyone who wants to discover a new operating system wants to try a live CD first.

Although there were other live OpenBSD CDs (like OliveBSD), yet another one, especially based upon something original like Enlightenment, is a great thing.

OpenBSD is often described as a server-only (or network-stuff-only) operating system. Actually, it can also be a decent desktop OS.

I'm using OpenBSD on my primary workstation for 7 years and I'm quite happy with it. The only thing I *really* miss, especially as a web developper, is the lack of Flash support (except crappy support with Opera). nspluginwrapper + linux emulation is still as stable as nitroglycerine.

Re:Great initiative (1)

nawcom (941663) | more than 5 years ago | (#25418973)

Nowadays, anyone who wants to discover a new operating system wants to try a live CD first.

Although there were other live OpenBSD CDs (like OliveBSD), yet another one, especially based upon something original like Enlightenment, is a great thing.

OpenBSD is often described as a server-only (or network-stuff-only) operating system. Actually, it can also be a decent desktop OS.

I'm using OpenBSD on my primary workstation for 7 years and I'm quite happy with it. The only thing I *really* miss, especially as a web developper, is the lack of Flash support (except crappy support with Opera). nspluginwrapper + linux emulation is still as stable as nitroglycerine.

Not to be an OSS whore, but check out the latest development sources for gnash [gnashdev.org] . If definitely improved since the last time I've used it. I've also heard that some flash 9 apps are starting to load just fine, but what do I know.

bzr branch http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/gnash/trunk [gnu.org]

If you can try it out tonight, reply to this because i'm curious on how it works out on OpenBSD

Re:Great initiative (1)

fgaliegue (1137441) | more than 5 years ago | (#25422779)

While I've never contested the fact that any *BSD can be a decent desktop OS given enough time to fiddle with it, I'm downloading it for yet another reason: I've never tried any *BSD OS.

I'm a man of old habits and have been using Linux for 12 years now. Time to discover what's "out there" ;)

In fact, I've been looking into OpenBSD at some time, but was rebuked by its user community, which I found quite unhelpul (an OpenBSD IRC channel which I went on to gather information about the OS likened me to a "Gentoo ricer", since yes, I use Gentoo).

Hey, somehow like... You know... When a Windows user goes and asks for help on quite a few Linux IRC channels around the world...

Anyway, that's good news, and will certainly help spread the word.

Downloading the ISO now (2, Interesting)

ducomputergeek (595742) | more than 5 years ago | (#25418795)

I was waiting for this as we have a need for a few digital signage/internet kiosk application and I can't think of a better OS that OpenBSD on the default security side. Now to see if I can get it to boot off a Compact Flash card.

Re:Downloading the ISO now (1)

Lincolnshire Poacher (1205798) | more than 5 years ago | (#25419509)

> Now to see if I can get it to boot off a Compact Flash card.

Posting this from OBSD 4.3 booting from a Toshiba 1GB CF for the system and a 4GB generic CF for writable partitions. With the CFs in an IDE adapter ( or even a Cardbus adapter ) the OBSD installer just treats the CFs as IDE disks.

Re:Downloading the ISO now (1)

peacefinder (469349) | more than 5 years ago | (#25421441)

I dunno about this repackaging, but I've been booting OpenBSD off of CF cards since 3.5 or so.

'Course, the latest one hasn't shut down and rebooted in 600-ish days, so I guess I haven't been testing that very well. :-)

CD Thumbdrive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25418937)

I for one am glad our new overloads decided the CD is still better than the thumbdrive.

seriously (1)

Icegryphon (715550) | more than 5 years ago | (#25419819)

I ask this of course I am will probably get bumped down for it. Does anyone really use OpenBSD or NetBSD anymore? I mean the main stream of BSD is FreeBSD which has had the most growth and development. Why do people keep these projects alive? It is like Whitebox Linux which doesn't even have release 5 yet while CentOS does. Is it pride?

Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25420217)

Who is Dany, why does he spell his name with only one "n" and why is it BS wherever he is?

theo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25422391)

just hope you don't have any problems with it, because theo and co. won't be of any help at all.

4.3 as 1.0? (1)

DaVince21 (1342819) | more than 5 years ago | (#25423075)

First version: 4.3? Something weird's going on with the versioning here...

Re:4.3 as 1.0? (1)

kace (557434) | more than 5 years ago | (#25440123)

Not weird. It's just a live-CD version OpenBSD, so it's following their versions. Definitely the best way to do it. PC-BSD (based on FreeBSD) is doing that now, too.

Oh, and RTFA. :-P

Honest question (1)

sbillard (568017) | more than 5 years ago | (#25423851)

Need to wipe and reload my primary home computer. I've been thinking about permanently booting from CD and then launching virtual OS, OS, OS,... from there. I like the idea of a read-only OS. Virtual instances are much easier to backup/deploy.

I'm going to take a performance hit. Other than that, what sort of problems am I going to have? Why is this a good/bad idea?

Thanks, SB

Re:Honest question (1)

kace (557434) | more than 5 years ago | (#25440295)

It's a good idea because OS's may need to change and you can easily keep all of your data on the HD (on a widely supported file system, on its own primary DOS partition) across OS changes.

It's a bad idea because of performance (as you note). On a live-CD system I'm familiar with, FreeSBIE, the files are compressed to save space so access is slowed by both the CD drive and decompression (first access of each file, at least).

It's also a bad idea because you lack the flexibility of easily updating the OS and third-party SW, and adding third-party SW. It's doable, of course, by using the hard drive, but then you're kind of defeating the purpose of CD-based OS's in the first place and adding a small management headache.

A good way, given enough HD space, might be to have a data partition plus one or two OS partitions. You could still run live-CD OS's, too.

Re:Honest question (1)

sbillard (568017) | more than 5 years ago | (#25446867)

Thank you for the thoughtful reply. You're right, I would lack the flexibility of updating the OS. But then again, so do the "bad guys" . I'm currently running XP and I think I've been rooted and so there is the source of my paranoia and desire to boot WORM. Happy to say no more windows for me after this. I think I'll go with your last statement. Works out nice since I have an 80 GB IDE and 400 GB SATA.

The jggimi OpenBSD LiveCD / LiveDVD (1)

Sunnz (1120513) | more than 5 years ago | (#25453639)

jggimi's OpenBSD is quite good as well, you can choose between Gnome KFD Xfce or FluxBox; and they come up usually one week after the official release rather than waiting for months. http://jggimi.homeip.net/livecd/downloads.html [homeip.net]
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