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Indian Moon Mission Launched

CmdrTaco posted more than 5 years ago | from the to-the-moon-alice dept.

Moon 305

hackerdownunder writes "India's maiden lunar mission (Chandrayaan-1) got off to a flying start today. Describing the launch as 'perfect and precise,' the chairman of the Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO), G Madhavan Nair, said that it would be 14 days before the satellite would enter into lunar orbit. Chandrayaan carries eleven payloads: five designed and developed in India, three from the European Space Agency, one from Bulgaria and two from NASA."

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f1r5t m00nlanding (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25466823)

You didn't believe the other ones did you?

Re:f1r5t m00nlanding (5, Funny)

martin_henry (1032656) | more than 5 years ago | (#25466925)

About 18.2 minutes later, ISRO Chairman G Madhavan Nair declared the launch successful which sent over a 1000 space scientists into a bout of jubilation. ( Watch )

Yeah that party sounds like it would be 'off the hook'!

How things are turning out. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25466887)

The Third World is exploring space, developing scientists and engineers, and developing their economies.

Here in the US, we're developing our military, discouraging the study of science and engineering, discouraging all rational thought (God did it!), spending resources on some nebulous terrorist threat the will come some day (or so we're told), and developing industries based on chance and moving money around.

I wonder which society has better long term prospects for its people, economy, and Government?

Re:How things are turning out. (4, Insightful)

Spazztastic (814296) | more than 5 years ago | (#25466995)

India still also has a huge problem with poverty. There's still disease, unclean water, etc.

My parents spent a month there visiting friends and despite how quickly they're building up there are still many problems that need resolving. Maybe the moon mission is a good idea in some eyes, just as we are spending money on building weapons both of us should be putting it towards building schools, hospitals, and getting average Joe six pack health insurance so he can take care of that knee that has been bothering him.

Re:How things are turning out. (1)

xNukEx (1387121) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467055)

you could just as easily say that about many of the already-built up countries,america for instance. We have many people in urban areas that really dont deserve the position thier in.

Re:How things are turning out. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25467151)

Not only did you use the wrong "their", but you misspelled it.

Old-Fashioned Navel-Gazing (5, Insightful)

sanman2 (928866) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467371)

India's economy has turned around due to technology outsourcing to India by the rest of the world. This outsourcing started happening when Indians began showing the outside world that Indians aren't just the hungry clamouring mobs always shown on TV. As the world realized this, they began to see value in sending work to India. By accomplishing things like Chandrayaan, or building the Tata Nano, etc, Indians demonstrate to the world their talents and abilities, which increases the world's willingness to trade and work with India, creating jobs and economic growth in the country. Some Indians commenting here are unfortunately the backward navel-gazing types, who will never understand the basis for economic growth and alleviation of poverty. They still think in the most primitive backward terms about how to bring development, prosperity and relief to the masses. The lost opportunities and economic stagnation of the past 50 years under the social welfare state show how such narrow mindsets can wreak havoc on a country. The answer lies in Indians showing each other and the world how to be achievers, instead of just beggars forever clamouring with their palms outstretched.

Re:Old-Fashioned Navel-Gazing (5, Informative)

HungryHobo (1314109) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467607)

Cut down version of the above:

They made it easier for companies to outsource to india and invested in education so they had something to sell(labour).

Back to the Moon shot.... (1, Funny)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467823)

I thought this space shot was for a much simpler reason...

First Quickie Mart on the moon!!!

Thank you...come again....

Re:How things are turning out. (3, Insightful)

JohnnyKrisma (593145) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467791)

if you're really comparing the poor in this country are living in anywhere near the same conditions as the poor in India or many many other countries on the planet you should travel more. When's the last time your neighbor got Cholera?

Re:How things are turning out. (4, Insightful)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467075)

The moon shot is one way to address the poverty. There is a huge market to launch payloads into the orbit. If India uses the prestige created by the moonshot to grab a significant stake in that market that will bring in money and pay for the infrastructure projects.

The idea that India should focus on poverty first and eschew other areas has shackled the country for many decades. Nehru and his daughter followed that philosophy. Grandson Rajiv broke out in 1984 but was very naive and reversed himself by 1988. It took Narasimha Rao and his finance minister Manmohan Singh to really put India on the right path. BJP govt instilled the country with some pride. India has to become the world leader in a few areas and then use the wealth it generates to alleviate the poverty.

Re:How things are turning out. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25467137)

> ...and then use the wealth it generates to alleviate the poverty.

Almost sounds like "trickle down" Reaganomics.

Hopefully India will do a better job of it.

Re:How things are turning out. (1)

HungryHobo (1314109) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467683)

Depends how you do it, if your goal is to encourage people to set up companies and generate wealth/jobs then it's great, if your goal is to let your friends make a killing exploiting the poor then it's much much worse.

Re:How things are turning out. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25467739)

The difference is, the Indian economy has much more Government control and regulation than the US, so rather than just hoping that the market will work it out, they can directly intervene in the trickling down process. Whether this will happen or not is another matter, of course.

Re:How things are turning out. (4, Insightful)

olman (127310) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467091)

Someone might even go as far as to say that investing in high tech will create jobs that will pay (through taxes) for all the feel good social services.

You know. Give a man unemployment pay and you feed him for a month. Teach a man to design radiation hardened telecom transceivers and you feed him (and 100 others) for life.

Re:How things are turning out. (5, Funny)

trongey (21550) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467687)

...Give a man unemployment pay and you feed him for a month. Teach a man to design radiation hardened telecom transceivers and you feed him (and 100 others) for life.

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll spend his days in a boat, drinking beer and getting sunburned.

Re:How things are turning out. (1)

Carewolf (581105) | more than 5 years ago | (#25468143)

You are not proposing free education, the third tenant of the welfare state, are you?

Re:How things are turning out. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25467093)

Joe the plummer doesn't need no stinkin' health insurance! Especially not paid for by the government. Even though he and his parents have been on welfare [youtube.com] a couple of times, doesn't mean we shouldn't scrap these damn "safety nets" and cut the damn taxes and healthcare. I'm sure Joe wouldn't have minded being on the streets with no home, no health insurace, and no prospects - after all, it's the American way!

BTW this was snark, for the sarcasm impaired...

Re:How things are turning out. (5, Insightful)

ashraya (632661) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467135)

Whats with morons bringing up the poverty side of things everytime a scientific achievement of India is brought up? Yes there is poverty and Homeless in India. I see hobos in the UK too. There are more people in that country, so the ratio of Hobos is more. Whats to be appreciated is this - With the kind of pressure that a democratic government faces, imagine the budget pressures an organization like ISRO has? Even NASA is buckling because of budget cuts. If ISRO can achieve things despite poverty, despite such tight budgets, its a much bigger achievement! Remember, this is not China we are talking about where scientific progress can sometimes come at the cost of the people. India is a democracy - Lives are being improved. I used to live in whats a slum - in my childhood. Millions like me got a chance to improve because of an education system, flawed as it is, that is cheap. Dont deride the scientific achievements in face of other difficulties the country faces. The country thrives despite adversity, and sometimes because of adversity!

Re:How things are turning out. (1)

Spazztastic (814296) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467249)

Like it or not, poverty will always be a talking point when large amounts of money are being spent. This will continue until it is fixed.

Re:How things are turning out. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25467879)

It's interesting to me how people use anything and everything as a soap box for their views.
- No one in the US discourages science and engineering, we just have a flawed, patchwork education system. It isn't difficult to reconcile religious and scientific views, but everyone just defends "their side" automatically, without any real thought.
-In what way is China's scientific progress at the cost of its people? That doesn't even make sense. Their farmers are worse off than ours, but they aren't starving or anything. Other than that, they have homes, kids, cars and TV, just like us. Don't make it sound like their government is using slave labor deep in some deadly "mine of science". They do most things the same way as us, just with better roads and education (and more pollution, granted).
To the subject at hand! - go India! maybe this will encourage everyone else to get back into pushing the envelope, and stop sitting on our collective hands! :)

Re:How things are turning out. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25468033)

It is fun to watch ignorant Americans who always talk about it. Clueless about the path to remove poverty goes through education and infrastructure building. These kind of achievements not only motivate youngsters, but also help Movies and Television industry, which is one of the strongest medium to educate people, and India seems to be scores ahead fighting this battle against poverty.

One of most important aspect of education is population control. It is tough to have extra reserves for 2 crore people India produces every year.

Re:How things are turning out. (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25467319)

India still also has a huge problem with poverty. There's still disease, unclean water, etc.

From my limited understanding, that has to do with the Indian Caste System, [wikipedia.org] and doesn't represent the overall economic well being of India.

The only cure for the poverty in India is a social revolution similar to the one in the US during the 1960s.

Re:How things are turning out. (1)

nic.stage (892944) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467573)

In an admittedly extreme and roundabout way, you could say that projects like this are akin to spending money on school. Research findings will help everyone (In India and elsewhere) learn more about space. I have to agree that putting these things in contrast with where 1st world countries are spending their money is startling. It makes you wonder what smaller countries would do if they had the money that countries like america have. If they spent it like america does I really don't think the earth would exist anymore.

Re:How things are turning out. (2, Insightful)

arthurpaliden (939626) | more than 5 years ago | (#25468009)

And 40 million Americans have no healthcare, so what.

Re:How things are turning out. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25466999)

Not true. All the Indian and Chinese grad students are right here in the States; we're competing with their home countries for their talents and winning. This is what makes America the best; we get the best from the whole world to come here. I read that Harvard and MIT are so rich they're going to give scholarships to the best high schoolers from anywhere in the world to come here. Exactly what we need, IMHO. Let the stay-behinds work in call centers and script monkey jobs and whatever, and fair play to them, it's probably a decent job over there. But we must do even more - everything we can to get the best from there over here!

Re:How things are turning out. (2, Interesting)

MrNaz (730548) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467245)

So you're essentially saying:

"We can pay them to come and be smart on our behalf because we have lots of money."

I could use economic phrases like "unsustainable trade deficit" or anthropological terms like "secondary loyalty", but something tells me that you'd need to hire someone to say something smart back.

If you want to know how well America's long term policy is serving it, look at the historical trend in US national (public and private) debt vis a vis its trading partners. Those figures will say far more about the first world's long term sustainability than I could hope to here.

Re:How things are turning out. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25467899)

You are wrong. About 90 to 95% of IIT graduates are deciding to stay in India to start their careers. Even among tier 2 and tier 3 engineering institutions I noticed top candidates preferring NOT to come to USA. With rising US college fees, and declining(or stagnating) US salaries Indian youth will quickly see that USA doesn't offer them the best path.

you forgot one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25467045)

The US exports its financial crisis to other countries.

Re:How things are turning out. (5, Interesting)

dspolleke (1139333) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467059)

India is not / no longer part of the third world. Wake up and smell the coffee. It is Asia that is going to rule the world this century. China and India are both in a race into space, both large players in the world economy (outsourcing of technical staff to india, industry to China). Besides, India and China have 1 billion+ innhabitants each so a third of the world population is living there.. Where America fails to deliver payload to the ISS (where Russia is succeeding) Asia is quickly catching up. The whole world should turn their economy towards renewable energy and towards Asia instead of Oil and America. As european i don't understand where the american arrogance (and ignorance) comes from.. No flamebait intended

Re:How things are turning out. (1)

xNukEx (1387121) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467129)

Being a youth in this time and country Ive wondered about the same. I really dont get it, I guess its somthing in the water so-to-speak.

Re:How things are turning out. (3, Insightful)

ashtophoenix (929197) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467231)

Yes its true that there are many opportunities in Asia now, let me talk specifically about India. The population may help in some respects but its a big problem as well. Most of India's population is in rural areas and is still quite poor. I think 8 yrs before America wasn't looked at as badly as it is now, was it? Some bad decisions (by politicians and by Americans by electing those politicians+Wall St and whatever else) marred America's view and economy. But that doesn't mean it isn't still a great country. I am sure American will bounce back and my faith in America comes not from the politicians but from the hard-working and sincere American people (and Yes there are quite a few). Not to undermine that India is going to do well nonetheless since the youth in India are waking up now, but there's still a lot of inertia. To put things in some perspective, I am an Indian who's been in the US since a while.

Re:How things are turning out. (2, Interesting)

dspolleke (1139333) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467679)

I've read about india's rural area's. If only one person "escapes" from poverty the entire village benefits of it. It was a news story a few months ago about a preteen girl that turned tricks and by her first trick she was able to build her family a brick house..(how regrettable it is that she chose prostitution as a way out it WAS a way out and she chose to do so herself) But there are numerous stories. If one "peasant" starts working as a clerk for an multinational he does not only funds his village school but also inspires his neighbours to escape from poverty. India and China are the world fastest growing economies.. And about that flamebait rating.. No flamebait intended..

Re:How things are turning out. (1)

ashtophoenix (929197) | more than 5 years ago | (#25468041)

That is true, as in the words of Aurobindo Ghosh, "One man's perfection can still change the world".

Re:How things are turning out. (5, Informative)

partenon (749418) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467525)

India is not / no longer part of the third world.

I agree with everything you said, excepted the quote above. India *is* part of the Third World in all the definitions I know:

- Not aligned with either the West or East in Cold War
- Not a country with high HDI (Human Development Index)
- Is a "developing country"

But maybe you have another definition for it?

Re:How things are turning out. (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 5 years ago | (#25468019)

I agree with everything you said, excepted the quote above. India *is* part of the Third World in all the definitions I know:

- Not aligned with either the West or East in Cold War

Wow, I had no idea that was part of the definition [wikipedia.org] of third world.

I guess I've never really thought about the specifics of the origin of the term.

Cheers

Re:How things are turning out. (1)

Carewolf (581105) | more than 5 years ago | (#25468183)

Yes, there is one definition more: The Old World (Europa) and the New World (Americas), with the third world being the rest. Still India fits though.

Re:How things are turning out. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25467065)

Sigh, I agreed 100% until you had to bring religion into it. Science and religion are completely compatible. Look at the history of science. Modern science an the scientific method itself was founded by strong theists. For the Theist Scientist, the "God did it" argument against research will be met by the reply "So what? God did everything. Science is the study of discovering what God did because in the discovery we can understand the mind of God. Research is a form of worship."

Re:How things are turning out. (1, Offtopic)

MrNaz (730548) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467337)

I am a Muslim, I fully agree with your uncommonly succinct and eloquent expression of this concept. I only wish more non-theists could understand this point rather than blindly (dogmatically!) disregarding religion as incompatible with modern scientific investigation.

Re:How things are turning out. (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467717)

Uh, maybe the reality is that the more people accept science, the less they are theists. I think theists tend to not understand that concept.

Science and god are opposites. The whole god concept has only been around a few thousand years, and yet the planet has existed for millions (and we are certainly not the oldest planet in the galaxy, as there is empirical evidence to back that up). If you believe some "being" in some form or another that cannot be scientifically explained at all is a reason for our planet's existence, then I have a bridge I would like to sell to you.

Of course, if you like to believe in magical sky wizards, please go ahead, but don't dare bring your beliefs on anyone else in the world. They are your personal beliefs and you should be entitled to that, but not to bring that upon other people.

Re:How things are turning out. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25467943)

They are your personal beliefs and you should be entitled to that, but not to bring that upon other people.

Then why are you telling people what you believe? Shouldn't you keep YOUR beliefs quiet?

Re:How things are turning out. (1)

bheer (633842) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467161)

> Here in the US, we're developing our military

Yup, but the military (and offshoots like the DARPA) gives us a lot of very cool technology.

Look, I respect what the Indians and Chinese are doing, more power to them, let's get some competition into space-faring.

But it's also true that they're essentially using 40-year old tech. Like it or not, public money will only come your way if you're doing cool new stuff, not just going to the moon again and again without anything concrete to show for it. Which is why I hope NASA gets its Mars mission underway soon.

I know who you were aiming at (0, Offtopic)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467913)

but really it just gets old to hear this same tired line. It also is very easy to exaggerate issues so they appear as if everyone who could be bad is being bad but that is far from the truth. The last part about developing industries on the chance of making money is directly the fault of the Congress preventing oversight into Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac. Hell they are resisting now investigations into those two companies and only those two until AFTER the election - why is that?

As for the rational thought comment, ever wonder why it gets so highlighted in papers when it occurs? BECAUSE IT IS SO RARE. If it were common then the papers and such would rate it to page three if that. The fact is that the most likely interference into education (read public schools and college) comes from religions claiming to be discriminated against because school falls on the wrong day, pork is served, or cheer leaders show some leg.

The only thing discouraging science and engineering in the US is the public school system because its too hard and therefor not fair. We had an interview in the local paper recently where they talked about reducing the math test requirements because it wasn't "fair". Some have suggested the rigorous testing was "racist". How do you expect ANY education system to operate under the fear of being branded racist? Then top it off with the fact that some tenured teachers aren't worth squat but are untouchable means if our kid gets a good math teacher we chalk it up to luck.

The US is exploring space, we are just far past the mundane stuff. Mundane meaning landing on things we can see with the naked eye. We have put probes on planets other countries aren't even considering. Would that be a waste in your book because no one else is doing it? When it comes to the military, well our science and space exploration go hand in hand with technical innovations. Please don't tell me you do understand that this launch mechanism India developed can be easily adapted to deliver payloads anywhere on Earth as well. Its not like they have great relations with Pakistan and I do believe if we were not buying off both there have been some really rotten incidents already.

Frankly I am quite fine with the terrorist threat remaining nebulous, it was all too real a few years back.

Which society is better long term, the US is thank you. For every failing I can attribute to the US I can usually find them elsewhere as well. It just comes down to who is trying to score the points as to when its important or not.

Re:How things are turning out. (1)

need4mospd (1146215) | more than 5 years ago | (#25468031)

And in 40 years they'll be thinking the same thing about Zimbabwe.

Re:How things are turning out. (4, Interesting)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 5 years ago | (#25468089)

Here in the US, we're developing our military,

Are you really trying to separate India's civilian rocketry program from their defense spending?

Re:How things are turning out. (2, Funny)

u-235-sentinel (594077) | more than 5 years ago | (#25468133)

I wonder which society has better long term prospects for its people, economy, and Government?

So are you saying rather than complaining about the US and stating we're moving to Canada we should say "That's it! I'm moving to India!"?

Doesn't have the same ring to it

first post (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25466903)

yeah, i know its lame, but i could not resist :D

Only $ 80 Mn (5, Insightful)

ami.one (897193) | more than 5 years ago | (#25466917)

At around Rs. 400 Crore / USD 80 Million, it must be the cheapest unmanned moon mission and.... 1st post

mission control transcript (5, Funny)

retech (1228598) | more than 5 years ago | (#25466921)

"This is Chandrayaan-1 we have a problem."

"You have reached mission control. Your call is very important to us. Please hold and the next available representative will be with you shortly."

"This is Chandrayaan-1 we are losing thrust and are off course."

"Remember, mission control is here for you. Have you heard about our latest service pack upgrades and special licensing agreements? Press one now if you'd like to hear more. If not, continue holding and your call will be answered in the order recieved. Thank you for calling mission control!"

Re:mission control transcript (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25467247)

That's funny!

Re:mission control transcript (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25467345)

and you forgot, "Sorry, we cannot cross sheep reblacement barts without a major credit card"

Re:mission control transcript (2, Funny)

No-Cool-Nickname (1287972) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467661)

'Thees ess Bahb. I am bery glad to be helping you today. I understand that you are habbing a problem with your thrusters?'

-Yes. Thruster 2 failed and we are .9% off course, we anticipate impact with the moon surface in 13 hours. We have attempted a manual restart and noted the ignition coil of thruster 2 had failed.

'Mmmm. Have you attempted to restart the thrusters?'

-Yes, dammit. I attempted a manual restart and the ignition coil has failed.

'Hmmm. Uh-huh. Could we attempt a manual restart of the thruster now?'

-We could but the DAMN IGNITION COIL has failed!!!

'Yes. I understand. So go ahead and restart the thruster, using the manual restart. To initiate a manual restart, press the manual...'

-OK, OK, OK. I did it. It still failed.

'...restart button on the engine control panel. The manual restart will fire the ignition coil in approximately 30 seconds.'

-THE IGNITION COIL HAS FAILED!!!

'So how is the weather there?'

-WTF?!!?! I'M IN SPACE. It's cold, and black, and I am hurdling at a big rock.

'Yes, it does not get very cold here. I am in Bangalor, India.'

-Listen Bijay. This is Sandeep. We had lunch in the cafeteria together two days ago. Set down the script and help me restart this thrust.

'Mmmmm. Did the thruster restart?'

Re:mission control transcript (1)

IchNiSan (526249) | more than 5 years ago | (#25468139)

Please hold, I have to open a ticket to escalate this case. Do you have a pen? Hello, Hello?....

Re:mission control transcript (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25468195)

"This is Chandrayaan-1 we have a problem."

"You have reached mission control. Your call is very important to us. Please hold and the next available representative will be with you shortly."

"This is Chandrayaan-1 we are losing thrust and are off course."

"Remember, mission control is here for you. Have you heard about our latest service pack upgrades and special licensing agreements? Press one now if you'd like to hear more. If not, continue holding and your call will be answered in the order recieved. Thank you for calling mission control!"

This is Ecostar, transfering you call to Chandrayan-1 because your call is too costly for us but important for us.

Giant interplanetary call centre (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25466929)

I can envisage the giant interplanetary call centre they're planning to build now. Something like this [youtube.com] , but in space.

"Please to hold!"

Obama!! (-1, Offtopic)

Garette (206805) | more than 5 years ago | (#25466933)

Do not be that disheartened... As soon as we get Obama into the office... all will be good...

MOD PARENT OFFTOPIC (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25466955)

Can we have ONE FUCKING DISCUSSION without Obamamaniacs chiming in about their Messiah?

Re:MOD PARENT OFFTOPIC (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25467113)

I think he was making fun of them.

Re:MOD PARENT OFFTOPIC (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25467165)

Please ignore the Republican trolls.

Also there's a cab-driver joke in here somewhere, I just can't seem to find it (maybe wooden beads and air-fresheners in the landing module).

MOD PARENT DOWN (then vote McCain) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25467169)

Can we have ONE FUCKING DISCUSSION without Obamamaniacs chiming in

Yes. because when McCain wins the firehose election, and CmdrTaco publishes him to the post of President, we will all be able to comment on the win. No Obamamaniacs will want to chime in.

Re:MOD PARENT OFFTOPIC (1)

MrNaz (730548) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467359)

Obama is a messiah? I thought he just liked to dress like that.

Great - More to know about moon but what about (2, Interesting)

slmdmd (769525) | more than 5 years ago | (#25466961)

Our current knowledge of moon is infinitely superior than the knowledge of our own ocean. They say, Grass is always greener on the other side or may be it is the quest to build more powerful missiles in the guise of moon missions. Not blaming India, six others did that too.

Re:Great - More to know about moon but what about (1)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467243)

To be fair, trying to explore space is a lot simpler than trying to explore the ocean. Under the sea, you have all the same problems of trying to maintain life in an airtight box, but that box is under significantly higher pressures, visiblity is a lot poorer, and there are a lot more things to run into. That's not to say that space exploration is easy, or even easier (especially on long trips), just that there are more unresolved engineering challenges to properly exploring the sea. And to be blunt, there's a lot less on the moon to analyse than there is down here.

Re:Great - More to know about moon but what about (1)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467735)

may be it is the quest to build more powerful missiles in the guise of moon missions. Not blaming India, six others did that too.

Well, no. Evidence is that the rocket scientists in Russia and the USA built ICBM's because they could use them to launch things into space, and then spent a lot of time trying to convince their political masters that the OTHER side was about to start launching things into space, and so they should too.

In other words, it wasn't space shots -> icbms, it was the other way around.

Re:Great - More to know about moon but what about (4, Informative)

hcdejong (561314) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467939)

Not that old chestnut again.
We've had 6 manned missions and a few probes to the moon, all commissioned by a handful of governments. Our oceans are being surveyed constantly, by both satellites and survey ships (including submersibles) sponsored by governments, research establishments and commercial operators alike.
The moon missions just generate more publicity (ignoring the outliers like Jacques Cousteau).

Re:Great - More to know about moon but what about (1)

ryanguill (988659) | more than 5 years ago | (#25468117)

Our current knowledge of moon is infinitely superior than the knowledge of our own ocean.

[citation needed]

Oh, man. (-1, Redundant)

Caspian (99221) | more than 5 years ago | (#25466965)

This outsourcing trend is getting insane.

(It's a joke, people!)

Nice to see... (0)

linuxg0d (913436) | more than 5 years ago | (#25466983)

... India is finally catching up to the rest of the world.

Re:Nice to see... (1)

TheCycoONE (913189) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467021)

You have a fairly narrow view of the rest of the world. "To date only three countries have sent missions to the moon -- the United States, Russia and Japan." - http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/08/13/india.moon/index.html [cnn.com]

PROGRESS!!!.... maybe. (1)

xNukEx (1387121) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467003)

Its pretty great to see other countries add something to the spacey happenings on our rock.

Re:PROGRESS!!!.... maybe. (2, Insightful)

Wiarumas (919682) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467139)

The reason why I think this is progress is because India is a developing country. Their situation may be insightful due to their perspective on the situation. The materials they use, the way they manage it, the funding, the management, etc. Consider it a huge, multi million dollar case study for the world. Another example of this, the Tata Nano, is a revolutionary vehicle IMHO due to the audience it appeals to - developing countries. Another one I'm waiting on is mobile devices. These will, in many ways, will drive innovation (probably not compete) in developed countries.

Reaching the Moon while milllions go Hungry (-1, Troll)

thesaintkhalsa (1327575) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467023)

A sad truth but India is now reaching for the moon while millions in the nation (just recently been there) are still dying from hunger and live in seriously abject poverty. And I mean real poverty.

Re:Reaching the Moon while milllions go Hungry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25467089)

I've been there too and it is real poverty, not the "I don't have a flat screen TV" poverty that we have in the united states

Re:Reaching the Moon while milllions go Hungry (1)

dspolleke (1139333) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467119)

A sad truth but the United States of America is now reaching for mars while millions in the nation are still dying from hunger and live in seriously abject poverty. And I mean real poverty.

Re:Reaching the Moon while milllions go Hungry (1)

Notquitecajun (1073646) | more than 5 years ago | (#25468049)

Define "poverty" and "hunger," please, so we know which definitions you're working with.

Re:Reaching the Moon while milllions go Hungry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25468221)

google is your friend search usa hunger or usa poverty

Re:Reaching the Moon while milllions go Hungry (2, Interesting)

Piyush Srivastava (1151625) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467127)

But also take into account that the cost of the mission is a really tiny fraction of what the Indian Government spends on Poverty Alleviation programs. Also, ISRO's programs have also had an enormous role to play in some of these objectives, specially by providing weather forecasting and communication facilities. In other words, any criticism of India's space program on the basis of its other economic or social problems does not seem to hold water.

Re:Reaching the Moon while milllions go Hungry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25467143)

If it makes you that sad, why don't you change your comfortable western lifestyle and feed a few hungry people. If you're not prepared to do that, it doesn't make you sad, you don't give a damn. Then stop judging others. You have no idea how stupid you look sitting behind your desk shouting 'Oh look at all those hungry people, someone feed them'.

Re:Reaching the Moon while milllions go Hungry (0, Flamebait)

thesaintkhalsa (1327575) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467279)

Your tone suggests that you yourself need analysis of your grey matter. If you are willing to accept the serious level of real poverty in India (and other countries) and not US or UK related poverty (no flat screen, not enough Ketchup) then you too would agree with what I have said. Indians have a habit of showing off and copying everything else and the fact that they can ignore (for so long) the majority of the population (that is poor) proves my own intentions. For the record - I am an Indian too - and Yes I do look after the poor - SHUT IT

Re:Reaching the Moon while milllions go Hungry (1)

VJ42 (860241) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467197)

A sad truth but India is now reaching for the moon while millions in the nation (just recently been there) are still dying from hunger and live in seriously abject poverty. And I mean real poverty.

Long term this is a money maker for India; there's a huge market for commercial satellite launches and other payloads; by going to the Moon India is showing that they're serious contenders in that market "We've been to the Moon, getting your satellite into orbit is easy compared to that. It'll cost you $xx million that's $x million cheaper than NASA or ESA".

Re:Reaching the Moon while milllions go Hungry (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25467205)

So? What are you trying to say? That India should wait until their problems are all solved? And for the rest of the world to move on?

And did you know that India is now a serious emerging player in the satellite launch market? If money is all you understand, please be informed that they will MAKE more money than they have spent on this mission. The reputation that the Indian Space Research Organization will gain from this will get them more launch orders. And that means more money.

And don't forget the technological spinoffs that will help make them better. And they have said they will share this knowledge with other industries.

I was watching the launch today, and they interviewed school kids about what they thought, and you know what? There's a whole horde of young people that have been inspired to pursue careers in space science, just because of this. The intangible benefits are far too many to enumerate here.

Grow up, man.

Re:Reaching the Moon while milllions go Hungry (4, Insightful)

francium de neobie (590783) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467397)

Then how are you going to help those poor people? Give them free money and food so they'll continue to do nothing and further your poverty problem?

How about actually setting up a sensible education system, then a sensible industrial sector, and then a sensible R&D sector for future industries; so that people can be productive and build wealth for your country?

Doesn't that sound a lot like what India is trying to do?

It's economics 101 (1)

Kupfernigk (1190345) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467639)

And the Indians are very good economists. Trickle down doesn't work, but what does work is moving the economy upwards in the tech chain. First you mine resources. Then you process what you mine. Then you make widgets. Then you put widgets together. Then you write the software to control the widget assemblies. Then you invent new things that need widget assemblies and software.

A country like Australia works because the population is tiny and the extraction of resources is large, but even so they have developed a high tech industry. Germany has most of its industrial base far up the food chain, Switzerland even more so. Mexico makes cars, cars are made in the UK regions, but the UK industrial heartland is more interested in the R&D around Formula 1 racing because the value added is better. The US has tried to take the process a stage further with banking and intellectual property, which requires few reources but has a high value added; unfortunately as we are seeing this value added, because it has so little real asset behind it, is extremely vulnerable to fashion and obsolescence.

The Indians know all of this. The faster they can move their industry up the chain, the more they can spend on getting the peasants past a 500BCE living standard.

Re:It's economics 101 (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467957)

and intellectual property, which requires few reources but has a high value added;

      No no no! That would be high LAWYER added. But who said lawyers add value to anything except themselves?

Re:Reaching the Moon while milllions go Hungry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25467653)

So India should stop all technological advances until poverty is rooted out?

Re:Reaching the Moon while milllions go Hungry (1)

nightsweat (604367) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467697)

*cough* Appalachia in 1969 *cough*

Outsourcing. (1, Interesting)

bigattichouse (527527) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467109)

I am extremely happy that space missions are gaining importance on the world stage, as I see living offworld as the key to human survival in the long run.

Part of me wonders if the trend in outsourcing provided the economic base and not too small a technological leg up that India needed to succeed. I realize they have an amazing (and selective) university system that makes many of ours silly by comparison, but I wonder if our "American Spirit" had no small part in enabling this. I wonder if what we have to offer the world has more to do with that spirit than any other tangible asset.

This then would give us some clues to our role in the world as our "empire" fades during this next century. We are to become the skunkworks for the world.

Re:Outsourcing. (2, Insightful)

ILoveCrack83 (1244964) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467407)

Yes, in the nineties maybe. And you might get this spirit back through a future president. For now though, I feel like the world is a bit fed up with the USA trying to be the World's Knight in Shining Armor of Morale. It's also a bit weird: Everybody has guns and violence is abundant on television, but God forbid (pun intended) that a breast is shown on tv.

Re:Outsourcing. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25467635)

I realize they have an amazing (and selective) university system that makes many of ours silly by comparison,

WTF No!!!!! The Engineering programs in most universities outside of select good ones like BITS, NITs and IITs is deplorable at best. The undergrad programmes just get the bare minimum done in terms of imparting wisdom and a hands-on approach to the students.

Why do you think the guys here in US are constantly moaning about the lack of quality in the work that had been outsourced to India? Doesn't that speak volumes about the kind of skillset, workers that are being employed by those firms possess?

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Why moon? (1)

ashtophoenix (929197) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467329)

I am just a bit disappointed they chose to do a moon mission. US landed on the moon in 1969. Choosing something different, even a Mars mission or something feasible but on the same scale, even if it took another 5-10 yrs would probably be better from the morale/enthusiasm perspective of the country since it wouldn't be outdated.

Re:Why moon? (2, Interesting)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467375)

I think they need to take a step at a time to get the funding. They may well do a Mars mission in the next decade, but if they had asked for 15+ years funding before any visible results were seen it would be hard to justify to the electorate.

Re:Why moon? (2, Insightful)

francium de neobie (590783) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467447)

And don't forget doing a single 15-year project means you're going to put 15 years worth of mistakes into a single project, which means the project will most probably fail after all the hype and fanfare.

It is much more sensible to go in small steps first, so that any problems will be solved before the big project.

Re:Why moon? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25467749)

Isn't it clear? They are going to moon to remove that American flag! :-)

But Wait... (1)

bmwEnthusiast (1384289) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467531)

7-11 is already the biggest chain on this planet, will i really be able to get a big gulp when i visit the moon the first time?

Hope they are smarter (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25467553)

If their rocket engineering is anything like their software engineering, they will probably blow themselves up or end up in Nevada and think it's the moon.

Indian flag before Chinese on moon? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25467651)

Have the Chinese put a flag on the moon till now, or is India beating them to it?

NASA Projects conspiracy...er, links... (1)

Amigori (177092) | more than 5 years ago | (#25467901)

To start the fire of the moonlanding conspiracy flame war (that will inevitably start somewhere in this thread), here goes -

The two NASA instruments are designed to layover images and data readings where the landers and equipment are or are thought to be. Whether through some fancy electronic trickery/photoshop, or they built a scale model that hangs in front of the lenses at adjustable distances, or some other kooky theory. [sidebar] Perhaps the ISRO could snap a few photos of the sites in question to prove, yes or no, that we've been there and end this conspiracy.[/sidebar]

The actual projects by NASA are the Moon Mineralogy Mapper (M^3), here [nasa.gov] , and the Mini Synthetic Aperture Radar (Mini-SAR), here [nasa.gov] .

Congratulations to the ISRO! This really is a great achievement. Plus, my ulterior motive being that I hope to see a Space Race reignited.

Until they realize .. (0, Redundant)

s74ng3r (963541) | more than 5 years ago | (#25468111)

That's no moon!
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