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Alternatives to Daylight Saving Time?

timothy posted about 6 years ago | from the even-ben-franklin-made-some-whoppers dept.

Earth 755

Wellington Grey writes "Daylight saving time almost upon us. The arguments about its possible benefits and drawbacks come up twice every year. Does it save energy or lives? Possibly, but it does definitely cause a great deal of inconvenience. My question is this: what do you think would be the best possible system to replace DST with? What is the best way for humans to deal with the inconsistent amount of light over the year and still foster coordination over disparate time zones?"

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Let's just use Zulu time... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25487369)

...and be done with it. Semper Fi! Oooh-rah! Gung-ho, Gung-ho, Gung-ho, sir!

Re:Let's just use Zulu time... (1)

IcephishCR (7031) | about 6 years ago | (#25487409)

OH YEAH!

Re:Let's just use Zulu time... (1)

bb5ch39t (786551) | about 6 years ago | (#25487627)

Totally agree! And, if we go ultimate "green", we can all live in caves and not be dependent on the silly sun light, anyway.

Re:Let's just use Zulu time... (5, Funny)

CRCulver (715279) | about 6 years ago | (#25487637)

Nah, I think we should use Swatch Internet Time [wikipedia.org] . Did you know that sales of Swatch Internet Time watches doubled between 1998 and 1999? If these trends continue, the lame 12-hour and 24-hour clocks will go the way of the dinosaur.

Firts Post... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25487377)

Move everything 30 minutes, problem solved

Re:Firts Post... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25487621)

zero minutes in Newfoundland.

Move to Arizona (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25487381)

We don't do DST in John McCain country.*

*Unless you're an Indian, in which case you might.

Re:Move to Arizona (5, Insightful)

stoolpigeon (454276) | about 6 years ago | (#25487641)

I grew up in AZ - moved to a state that does daylight savings a couple years ago. I hate it. I never felt any lack for not having it or thought, "Gee, I wished we messed with the clocks twice a year."
 
We should replace it with nothing. Just eliminate it. It would simplify life at no cost.

Re:Move to Arizona (1)

0100010001010011 (652467) | about 6 years ago | (#25487881)

Hear Hear. I grew up in Indiana which recently switched (And I moved to Illinois). After 2 years it still twists my head around trying to think if I'll get more light now or less or when is 'savings time' and when is 'normal' now that 'savings time' is the majority of the year.

Re:Move to Arizona (5, Insightful)

ArsonSmith (13997) | about 6 years ago | (#25487919)

Sorry, once the government has adopted something you can't get rid of it. You can change it for better or worse (usually worse) but it is there for ever.

No replacement... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25487385)

Why does it need replacement? Just get rid of it altogether...

May be ... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25487395)

Nightdark Wasting Time ?

umm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25487397)

Actually, isn't STANDARD time upon us?

Internet Required (5, Interesting)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about 6 years ago | (#25487399)

"9-5" business hours is a convention because there's no easy way to do anything different in a pre-wired world.

Now that we have or are about to have ubiquitous Internet everywhere, companies should publish smbmeta [trellixtech.com] files at domainname.foo/smbmeta.xml with their hours in it, and have every useful directory service (Google Local, Yellowpages.com, that iPhone thing, etc.) understand a linkage between a domain name and store (oh, and the phone thing too, which can usually be used as the 'foreign key'). Good VOIP phones could easily do the same. The cost is practically nil for everybody and we get past the need for conventions.

Of course there are clustering reasons to coordinate business hours on a geographical basis, but individual businesses can make those decisions and either profit or lose business by them.

Re:Internet Required (4, Interesting)

JeffSh (71237) | about 6 years ago | (#25487673)

I'm afraid I must disagree. 9-5 business hours are becoming even more important in a connected world because of our desire/need for immediate responses.

Businesses must be open during similar hours so that we may respond to each others requests. For instance, call cenders in India are open and running at night for them in order to service our requests from the states..

I am not interested in dispatching an email and expecting a response. People talk to one another still and always will. 9-5 business hours are here to stay and will only get more important.

Re:Internet Required (1)

zeropointentity (746750) | about 6 years ago | (#25487857)

I doubt it. More than likely, global 24/7 response time is what will be required, with additional people working during peak hours. Shipping docks run like this. Most people on 8-8 and one or two at night. "Peak Hours" will simply depend on the economics of the moment.

Re:Internet Required (4, Insightful)

Stiletto (12066) | about 6 years ago | (#25487975)

The worldwide inter-connectedness of business is a strong argument AGAINST the 9-5 schedule. What good is standardizing on "9-5" when your customer on the west coast and your partners in India, Japan, and England all have their own, different 9-5?

Who the hell even picked 9 and 5, and what makes those particular numbers so special that everyone has to change our entire time system twice a year to make sure those are always work hours?

If every business adopted a very simple "go to work when you have to and leave when you have to" policy, we wouldn't care what the damn clock said, and would need neither time zones nor daylight saving time.

Re:Internet Required (1)

YrWrstNtmr (564987) | about 6 years ago | (#25487781)

"9-5" business hours is a convention because there's no easy way to do anything different in a pre-wired world.

And because you are bowing to the results of several millenia of evolution.
(cue the legions of /.ers relishing their midnight coding sessions at 110% efficiency)

This is not a problem (5, Insightful)

slashname3 (739398) | about 6 years ago | (#25487417)

Do away with DST. If people want/need to get up earlier or later to take advantage of the daylight then JUST GET UP EARLIER OR LATER! There is no good reason to change the clock backward and forward. Lots of places don't do it and they don't have any problems. STOP DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME!

Re:This is not a problem (3, Insightful)

Fear13ss (917494) | about 6 years ago | (#25487545)

I agree, do away with it, and the 9-5 business model dates back to the days of bartering. It was implemented before mankind had the ability to control light. First we need to make more environmentally sounds lighting sources. Then the answer to a lot of our current problems can be resolved by moving to a 24 hour society. It would create jobs, reduce traffic thus improving fuel efficiency and reducing accidents. It will allow people to work during hours which may increase productivity. Personally even though I live on the east coast, I still feel my body is stuck on PST. I've lived in this time zone for about 20 years now, but my ideal day would be 11 to 8.

Re:This is not a problem (5, Insightful)

pixelpusher220 (529617) | about 6 years ago | (#25487689)

DST served a useful purpose at one time. It *does* reduce energy usage...for lighting. Back in the early part of the 20th century, the largest portion of home electrical usage was for lighting. Nowadays it's such a small part this savings has no measurable effect.

The effect it does have is actually increasing energy usage as people crank on the AC when they get home earlier in the daylight of afternoon and it's hotter. And AC is vastly more expensive to operate than a bulb.

Get rid of it (5, Insightful)

frank_adrian314159 (469671) | about 6 years ago | (#25487419)

See subject. Then make everyone talk in UTC. That should do it.

Re:Get rid of it (5, Insightful)

camperdave (969942) | about 6 years ago | (#25487847)

Then make everyone talk in UTC. That should do it.

Almost. Everybody should be using 24 hour time as well. ie, it's now 20:40.

Forget about it (5, Interesting)

djupedal (584558) | about 6 years ago | (#25487429)

> "What is the best way for humans to deal with the inconsistent amount of light over the year and still foster coordination over disparate time zones?"

Russia has a dozen time zones and fares just fine - as does China, with only one. This business of claiming that 'light' is a problem needing a solution is the only issue here...

Re:Forget about it (2, Funny)

tsalmark (1265778) | about 6 years ago | (#25487585)

I propose we use artificial light, either incandescence, halogen, LCD, CFL or bonfires to solve the lack of light issues.

DST is ending (5, Informative)

self assembled struc (62483) | about 6 years ago | (#25487443)

Actually, DST is coming to an end. The summer is when the hours are artificially moved ahead. The winter time is the actual "accurate" earth time.

Re:DST is ending (1)

skerit (1182237) | about 6 years ago | (#25487601)

That's true, and in Belgium lots of people have said they wanted to cancel DST, summer time. I actually rather have more light at the end of the day then in the beginning. Winters are so depressing.

Re:DST is ending (3, Funny)

internerdj (1319281) | about 6 years ago | (#25487981)

That makes no sense. If you think winter is so depressing why cancel summer time?

Re:DST is ending - only in Northern hemisphere (2, Interesting)

yabos (719499) | about 6 years ago | (#25487947)

Southern hemisphere will be coming into summer soon and lots of countries appear to use DST in our northern winter months.
http://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst2008b.html [timeanddate.com]

My proposal (4, Funny)

Waffle Iron (339739) | about 6 years ago | (#25487453)

My ask slashdot question is this: what do you think would be the best possible system to replace DTS with?

A system just like the current DTS, but with a monetary fine for whiners.

Come on, how hard is it to set a damned clock? Just do it.

Re:My proposal (3, Insightful)

oldhack (1037484) | about 6 years ago | (#25487525)

Come on, how hard is it to set a damned clock? Just do it.

OR. Just don't do it. I like my idea much better.

Re:My proposal (2, Informative)

theNetImp (190602) | about 6 years ago | (#25487583)

It's not just about setting the damn clocks, it's about messing up sleep schedules, having to re-adjust how you deal with international customers. My girlfriend lives in Japan, and for me it sucks to have to adjust twice a year.

Re:My proposal (3, Funny)

cecille (583022) | about 6 years ago | (#25487897)

Not to compare cats and girlfriends, but my cat gets cranky about it too. He gets fed at a specific time at night, so he doesn't start whining too early in the morning. Now that it gets darker way earlier, he starts bugging me to feed him just about 1h earlier than normal. It would be great if animals could tell time.

Re:My proposal (1)

theNetImp (190602) | about 6 years ago | (#25487949)

No worries, my friend's cat is the same way. My cat bugs me for food all the time so that doesn't affect me too much. lol

Re:My proposal (5, Funny)

Waffle Iron's VCR (1392565) | about 6 years ago | (#25487633)

12:00, 12:00, 12:00, 12:00

Re:My proposal (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25487999)

Where is the blink tag when you need it?

Re:My proposal (0)

UnHolier than ever (803328) | about 6 years ago | (#25487685)

Am I the only one to actually like the present system? I like to see the sun when I wake up in the winter, but there's no point in having the sun rise at 3AM in the summer, so I move the clock to have the sun later at night. I could achieve the same by moving my working hours, but moving my clock twice a year is much less of a hassle.

Re:My proposal (1)

bb5ch39t (786551) | about 6 years ago | (#25487733)

My clock has a DST button. I set it to "standard" time. When DST comes around, I push the button and it changes to DST. When DST ends, I push it again and it changes back. My DVR automatically changes. My computer automatically changes. What doesn't automatically change is my damn wake-sleep cycle!

Re:My proposal (1)

Wellington Grey (942717) | about 6 years ago | (#25487785)

Come on, how hard is it to set a damned clock? Just do it.

Well, I asked the question because while setting a clock isn't hard, getting everyone to synchronize is. Check out this map [wikipedia.org] of who follows the rules and who does not. I live in London, which follows DST, but not at the same time that the US does. I have family living in North Carolina which follows DST and Arizona which doesn't. It's a real pain trying to figure out when to call people, especially when England switches the clocks, but the US won't for another week.

-Wellington Grey

Don't like DST? Do what I did... (2, Funny)

Wee (17189) | about 6 years ago | (#25487467)

...move to Arizona. Problem solved.

-B

Re:Don't like DST? Do what I did... (1)

PhotoJim (813785) | about 6 years ago | (#25487527)

Or Saskatchewan. We don't do DST either. Actually, a good solution is to just be on DST all-year long. Portions of Saskatchewan have done exactly that. Astronomically where I live should be MST/MDT. (The sun is at its zenith at 12:57 pm and it should be there at 12:00.) This way a person gets more sunlight later in the day in the summer, and the days in winter are short enough that it doesn't really matter anyway.

Re:Don't like DST? Do what I did... (1)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | about 6 years ago | (#25487703)

Good idea. Actually scary timing on that comment (and this thread). Want to help me finish loading my pod as I return to the Valley of the Sun? I always like to point out that DST never does any favors to a state where the summer months need extra sunlight like John McCain needs extra sunlight.

Don't like DTS? Do what I did... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25487795)

I replaced all my DTS with SSIS [wikipedia.org] .

How about NST? (1)

davidsyes (765062) | about 6 years ago | (#25487469)

How about "Night-Light Savings Time"?...

CowboyNealTime (1)

davidwr (791652) | about 6 years ago | (#25487471)

It's the closest thing to God's time this side of Silicon Heaven.

How about this? (5, Funny)

TheNecromancer (179644) | about 6 years ago | (#25487475)

What is the best way for humans to deal with the inconsistent amount of light over the year and still foster coordination over disparate time zones?

Turn on a lamp.

Re:How about this? (1)

kingsteve612 (1241114) | about 6 years ago | (#25487671)

Best answer so far.

Re:How about this? SAD (1)

Haoie (1277294) | about 6 years ago | (#25487829)

Too much artificial light isn't good for you, as most of you would know.

It's attributed to to Seasonal Affective Disorder.

And also, pasty faced nerd syndrome.

I have the answer! (1, Redundant)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | about 6 years ago | (#25487515)

Oh, I know! I know! Swatch time! [swatch.com]

No no -I- have the answer! (2, Funny)

philspear (1142299) | about 6 years ago | (#25487797)

Here are a few real alternatives to daylight savings time:

-Daylight wasting time
-Nightlight saving time
-Dayheavy saving time
-Some permutation of the above terrible puns

Abolish it..... (1)

theNetImp (190602) | about 6 years ago | (#25487521)

It's very inconvenient for those of us who deal with people internationally on a daily basis, messing up sleep schedules. It's a pain, I'd like to see it go away.

Re:Abolish it..... (1)

pathological liar (659969) | about 6 years ago | (#25487737)

... you'll still be messing up sleep schedules. It's not like they're going to go nocturnal because it's pitch black at "9-5"

Re:Abolish it..... (1)

theNetImp (190602) | about 6 years ago | (#25487867)

Sure my sleep schedule will probably still be out of whack, but if you set up meetings so you get x hours of sleep before you have to be up and then the clock changes giving you less time to sleep before you have to get up,

Ah... first time I've been early for work... (1, Funny)

phatvw (996438) | about 6 years ago | (#25487533)

Except for all those 'daylight savings' days... lousy farmers!

Standard Time is Upon us! (5, Informative)

Saint Stephen (19450) | about 6 years ago | (#25487539)

Actually, we are in Daylight Savings Time right now. We are getting ready to go back to Standard Time.

Just shift business hours. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25487543)

Just shift business hours.

Wrong! (5, Funny)

eln (21727) | about 6 years ago | (#25487557)

The issue with DST is not that it's inconvenient, it's that it's insufficiently precise! We should be changing the time every day (at least!) to make sure our time is as accurate as possible to the length of the day. Every day, 12 noon should be when the Sun is directly overhead, no matter where you are.

Sure, this means changing time zones almost continuously while travelling, and at least daily while remaining stationary, but at least we won't have to deal with the confusion that comes from discovering that the Sun is directly overhead at 12:00:34 instead of 12 noon sharp! How can we call ourselves intelligent beings when our time system is so woefully inaccurate most of the time?

So, scrap daylight savings time and replace it with a system of several thousand time zones, each updated daily based on the predicted "high noon" for that particular day at that particular location. If the prediction ends up being off by a few microseconds on a particular day, just change the time to correct it right then and there! Sure, wristwatches will become orders of magnitude more complex, but it's the only way to have a truly sane and accurate system of time measurement. And after all, isn't that what we all really want here?

Re:Wrong! (1)

pete-classic (75983) | about 6 years ago | (#25488009)

The sun is never directly over head on most days in most places.

-Peter

We should all wear Atomic Clocks. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25487559)

Grab a cesium atom and slap it on your wrist.

Saves lives? (1)

skirmish666 (1287122) | about 6 years ago | (#25487563)

You can't eliminate daylight savings and still have the power savings it brings. Setting the time forward permanently means people will be using lights at 7AM instead of PM. Moving to an equatorial region would eliminate the need for DST but it's more convenient to set your clocks back / forward every six months.

Re:Saves lives? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25487807)

> You can't eliminate daylight savings and still have the power savings it brings.

Silly rabbit - of course you can. You just change your *schedule* instead of changing all the clocks!

Re:Saves lives? (1)

ArsonSmith (13997) | about 6 years ago | (#25487971)

If my daylight savings account had better interest rates I'd be all for it. Really I suggest we migrate to good growth stock daylight mutual funds.

DST Ending (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25487565)

Shouldn't that be "Daylight savings time is about to end"?

Orbital Mirrors (3, Funny)

schwit1 (797399) | about 6 years ago | (#25487567)

Give me daylight 14 hours per day, 6am - 8pm. Move them between hemispheres or to emergency locations as needed. Productivity goes up, which pays for the mirrors.

DST becomes unnecessary.

Picture this... (4, Informative)

qoncept (599709) | about 6 years ago | (#25487569)

You're a farmer, or construction worker, or anyone who does his business in daylight. During the months of short days, you are up and ready to work at sun up every day and need to work for 8 hours. In the summer, you can still get to the bank and do your business. But in the winter, without DST, you're stuck at work until 5:00pm and can't. DST isn't baseless. It caters to a small group of people that can't adjust their hours.

Re:Picture this... (1)

theNetImp (190602) | about 6 years ago | (#25487743)

Most banks are open until at least 7pm one day a week. Most banks have drop off boxes to drop off money, there are also ATMs for depositing money. This may have been the case 15 years ago, but there are plenty of options for construction workers and farmers and anyone who does business during daylight that this excuse is now invalid.

Re:Picture this... (2, Informative)

Cadallin (863437) | about 6 years ago | (#25487751)

Yeah, not so much.

See we have this new thing called "Electric Lighting." It seems now that crazy cat edison has enabled us to pretty much light up any outdoor area; no matter what time it is! Crazy, I know, but true.

Re:Picture this... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25487865)

Outdoor lighting for farming and construction would require some hefty light.

One thing sunlight comes with, is a low cost price tag. Oh, right... that's 'free'.

Re:Picture this... (1)

Romancer (19668) | about 6 years ago | (#25487831)

That's why a lot of banks like wells fargo and bank of america and US bank have asjusted their hours to extend past the 5pm standard. It serves them since they get more happy customers and your example is now moot. Wells Fargo closes at 7pm in the three locations I know of in Reno NV. Just have the banking world acknowledge that there is no longer a set time they need to be open physically since their online presence and a reasonable call center can handle most anything already. Have a couple tellers available 24hrs through the tube driven drive through. No risk and all gain once people get used to it.

Re:Picture this... (1, Troll)

ericrost (1049312) | about 6 years ago | (#25487863)

Hell, I work in an office and can't "get to the bank to do my business" much less the podunk post office. The bank is open 10-5 and the Post office 9-3. Wish I could make a full time salary for those hours. Ever heard of saturdays?

Re:Picture this... (4, Funny)

residieu (577863) | about 6 years ago | (#25487905)

These places close at around 2 on Saturdays, who is even AWAKE at that point?

Re:Picture this... (1)

dreamer-of-rules (794070) | about 6 years ago | (#25487887)

DST affects the summer, get it? The winter daylight hours will still be short, and the times at which the sun rises and sets, in winter, won't change with or without DST.

Re:Picture this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25487977)

Um, farmers don't work 8-hour days. They work 14+ hour days during busy times, and less other times. They could care less about DST.

Re:Picture this... (1, Insightful)

UnanimousCoward (9841) | about 6 years ago | (#25488007)

I take it you don't have kids? The not-so-small group of people who do would rather have their kids going to school in the morning in daylight, not darkness.

Throw away all the clocks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25487573)

Clocks and watches cause stress. Let's abolish time zones altogether.

It's about to END! (1)

csoto (220540) | about 6 years ago | (#25487625)

Not begin! you insensitive CLOD!

No it isn't (4, Interesting)

sesshomaru (173381) | about 6 years ago | (#25487629)

Standard Time is nearly upon us, Daylight Savings Time is ending.

Here's my favorite anti-daylight savings time page:

End Day Light Savings Time [standardtime.com]

I don't like Daylight Saving Time, or as I call it "Pretend it's an hour later than it is," and will be glad when the clock in my car doesn't make me do addition to remember what time it is (I refuse to adjust it for this nonsense.) This silly dance we do every year twice.

My alarm clock is a self-adjusting atomic model (not internally of course, it readjusts itself via radio signal from the U.S. Atomic Clock in Colorado).

Alternative system (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25487639)

My ask slashdot question is this: what do you think would be the best possible system to replace DTS with?

The most commonly accepted alternatives to DTS are Dolby Digital and SDDS.

Daylight? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25487657)

What is this daylight you speak of? I thought slashdotters just lived in their server farms?

DST is useless (3, Insightful)

Talgrath (1061686) | about 6 years ago | (#25487713)

As others have pointed out (http://irc.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/pubs/fulltext/nrcc49212/nrcc49212.pdf), Daylight Savings Time likely doesn't save us any energy. This, of course, makes sense as if people are getting up earlier to avoid it being dark when they get home, they're still using electricity in the morning which is now dark. In short, the only way that daylight savings time in the modern day is beneficial to anyone is people who want to play sports or do something else outdoors after work. Not only that, but studies have shown that Daylight Savings Time often actually costs companies money due to needing to change clocks, employees who show up late/early to work during time changes and computer errors resulting from time changes. The solution, is to abolish Daylight Savings Time and save us all some time, money and bother.

One Time to Rule Them All (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25487715)

AKA Farm Time. Tell all time using GMT+5. Let people adjust to the fact that time is just a number and it shouldn't change the way they live and work.

Live near equator (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25487719)

The solution is that all world population live near Equator

Re:Live near equator (1)

philspear (1142299) | about 6 years ago | (#25487869)

Of the sun.

Universal Metric time (1)

bonkeydcow (1186443) | about 6 years ago | (#25487729)

Some sort of universal time. I mean who says we need to go to work at 8am. If should matter to me if I'm going into the office at 18:00 UMT.

Why have time zones at all? (1)

doroshjt (1044472) | about 6 years ago | (#25487793)

Why not have everyone on UTC? If you in New York Open your store 0900 in the morning, why can't you just open the west coast store at 1200 in the morning in LA? Just becaue we are use to having things open 9 - 5 in a local time zone there is no reason why that hours can't shift? It'll probably happen after the US switches to metric, but thats my dream.

End the Madness. No Timezones. (1)

monk (1958) | about 6 years ago | (#25487805)

Let's just all use 24 hour UTC. Who cares if sunrise is at 12:00? Or better yet use a decimal system [hynes.net] . Why are we still using a base 60 system invented by the Sumerians?

Well, duh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25487815)

I propose replacing DTS with DST.

Just an idea... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25487835)

Why not make an 1/2h switch instead of a whole hour and keep it so all year long?

DTS already replaced... (5, Funny)

jddj (1085169) | about 6 years ago | (#25487845)

what do you think would be the best possible system to replace DTS with?

I think DTS disappeared with the release of SQL Server 2005. I'm pretty sure it's all .NET code now...

There are better ways of handling this (1)

MobyDisk (75490) | about 6 years ago | (#25487855)

DST is the worst possible way to handle the daylight difference. Instead of changing the clocks, businesses should just say "Summer hours: 9am-5pm, winter hours: 8am-4pm. It's the same dang thing, except you don't have to be going "oh, they are in Arizona, and they don't observe DST" or "Wait, UK DST starts a week later, so they aren't in the office yet..." etc.

The way we do DST now is like saying that the centimeter is a little too small for measuring fence posts, so let's just add one centimeter to the measurement. So now 1cm=2cm, and 2cm=3cm. But then someone else says they should add .5cm, and someone else wants the rule to apply to gear boxes AND fence posts...

Just how old is DST? (1)

Timberwolf0122 (872207) | about 6 years ago | (#25487891)

What is the best way for humans to deal with the inconsistent amount of light over the year and still foster coordination over disparate time zones?"

Yes how on Earth did we survive the 2 billion year evolution to the point where we could develope DST???
I this if we just plain scrapped it everything would go on as usual, most of us work in a building of some form and they come with lights these days. As for farmer I think the 5,000,000 candle power on a combine haverister just about does the trick.

Standardize World Time (1)

Efialtis (777851) | about 6 years ago | (#25487913)

In this day and age, there is no reason we should even still be cut up into time-zones. There is no need for a leap year (or a leap anything...) and we should definitely not have "daylight savings". We should go to something like "internet time" where the day (currently 24 hours) is equally divided and the time is measured at the exact moment around the world. So instead of having 5 pm Mountain time be 6 pm central, it would simply be 17, or 85, or whatever the numeric representation is... 1 might be in the middle of the night, or in the mid morning, or in the evening...but it would always be 1 at that very instant/event every day, and it would be for everyone. Then there is no worry about daylight savings... companies can decide when they want to open, when they want to do business (we are open from 8 to 16 - which would be the same 8-16 all over the planet...) and if a company decides to be open an hour earlier or close an hour later...then that is their deal...everyone will still be working within 2 hours of eachother, really no different than things are right now...

Nuke it! (4, Insightful)

jordandeamattson (261036) | about 6 years ago | (#25487927)

Daylight Savings Time has enormous costs and very little value in return.

We should get read of it and say, "Good riddance..."

If there are issues with available daylight in a particular area, then the times of events should be adjusted accordingly. If it is to dark at 7 AM for kids to go out in order to reach school at 8 AM, then push back the start time of school, etc., to 9 AM.

In reality, this is what Daylight Savings Time does, but at much greater cost.

Not to be a troll... (2, Insightful)

kellyb9 (954229) | about 6 years ago | (#25487931)

...although some will call me one. I couldn't care less, this arguement comes up twice a year, and twice a year I don't really care. I've heard all the arguements and everything, but truth be told, the switch doesn't bother me that much. The only day that really concerns me is the one where we turn time back, the extra hour is always nice. The winter time is just a pain because I like to leave work and still have some daylight - but that's just me.

Where did that S come from (2, Interesting)

onkelonkel (560274) | about 6 years ago | (#25487941)

In the interest of Getting Things Right, I'll point out that it's "Daylight Saving Time" not "Daylight Savings Time".

Just make sunrise 6am (1)

misterjava66 (1265146) | about 6 years ago | (#25487959)

Although it has been sudjested that this was ben franklin's idea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time [wikipedia.org]

I say, just make sunrise 6am everywhere.
We did not have the technology to do this in pre-industrial times, but
we did do this in ancient times, and we can do it again.

It would maximize light saving, it would maximize night availability,
and only result in the fact that it is a different time in EVERY town in the world
just about.

So what, it would just require some websites where you could enter where you are, where they are,
and know the time and time-diff. If I'm in Michigan and you are in Alabama. Sometimes I ahead of
you, sometimes you are ahead of me. Sweet!

Perfect time for everyone.

And two chickens in every pot! :-()

Lived in Korea for a year and a half (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25487973)

and never missed DST. They seem to get business done very well without it.

fixith the axith (2, Funny)

darinh (1392583) | about 6 years ago | (#25487983)

we need to remedy that tilty-axis-syndrome that the earth has and straighten that crap up.

Giant orbiting mirrors. (3, Funny)

IWood (1380317) | about 6 years ago | (#25488015)

Alternately, a mission to Jupiter that will trigger the monolith's sun conversion program.

Adapt (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25488021)

Ditch DST already

Adaptability is an amazing human trait. we will get use to the extra hour (OHH NOOO 60 munites) of adjusted light/dark.

Plenty of other developed countries have ditched DST with not too many humans dying off, i think we can manage it.

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