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DRM-Free Classic Games Store Opens To Public

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the give-the-people-what-they-want dept.

PC Games (Games) 122

arcticstoat writes "With all the controversy surrounding DRM in games at the moment, one games store has decided to buck the trend, proudly proclaiming that all its games are DRM-free. First announced back in July, Good Old Games is now in the public beta stage, which means that anyone can now access the site's archive of classic PC games, and you can do what you want with your game when you've bought it, too. 'You won't find any intrusive copy protection in our games; we hate draconian DRM schemes just as much as you do,' says the site. 'Once you download a game, you can install it on any PC and re-download it whenever you want, as many times as you need, and you can play it without an internet connection.'" In related news, Stardock, the company responsible for the Gamer's Bill of Rights, is apparently working on a new copy-protection solution that will be friendlier to consumers than current schemes.

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122 comments

Whoa (5, Informative)

Xtense (1075847) | more than 4 years ago | (#25507995)

I'm pretty surprised that they managed to get all these out on the start. I expected one or two good games, but whoa, Descent? Earthworm Jim? Fallout? Gothic? MDK? Operation Flashpoint? Shogo?

It's like I died and got zombified in the better part of the 90's!

Re:Whoa (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 4 years ago | (#25508233)

I've been reading magazines that occassionally came with a free game for so long that I already have most of the games you listed without going out to purchase them...

Re:Whoa (2, Interesting)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#25508471)

A good selection and a good price ($6 each). The one question remaining is, what platform do they require? A lot of the games I saw were originally released for DOS, and so would run nicely in DOSBox. Are these the originals, or are they updated versions that I can't run because they require Windows? Looking at Battle Chess (a game I remember playing on a 286), it says compatible with Windows XP and Vista, so apparently I'm not in their target market. Possibly they just include the original games and bundle a DOS emulator (much easier than porting to Windows), but if this is the case it would be nice if they'd advertise it.

Re:Whoa (3, Informative)

the_arrow (171557) | more than 4 years ago | (#25508613)

I just downloaded the Descent and Descent 2 package, and yes they do indeed use DOSBox.

IGNORE SLASHVERTISEMENTS. Just look around. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25510843)

This has been possible on perhaps a hundred classic computer gaming websites. I found out the sad way that classic Commodore entertainment was of higher quality than classic PC. PC in MS-DOS was where the commercial entertainment built-up because of Apogee.

The older RPG's are much better than all the modern emo horror the junkwad editors and writers try to pass as story and character. The greater writers never relied on advanced technology to entertain a thought, and so now modern gamewriters are doing what they could to emulate this by embracing folklore once again. A good example of superior balance in an old title classic could be known as Darklands from MicroProse: best RPG I've ever seen, taking place in medievel Germany after the standpoint of Roman Catholicism influence. It's kind of a sad game in that point, and if you look through the bias of gameplay in some of the effects then people would know what kind of propoganda title it realy represents, perhaps like how Catholic influence has caused a great deal of trespass in every direction it wanted to claim for its own. It's outstanding how ignorant and sociopathic the Roman Catholic Church has professed itself to the degredation of science back in those days. I would doubt it if RCC were the ones that thinned the population of sasquatch as no different than a species of Wicca or Alchemy (unregulated Chemistry).

Re:Whoa (1)

Loibisch (964797) | more than 4 years ago | (#25508631)

They apparently all run under XP and Vista:
http://www.gog.com/en/about_us/#4 [gog.com]

4. All games are Vista and XP compatible.
Thanks to our handsome programming team, the classics are now Windows Vista and Windows XP compatible. Now you can use your lightning-fast PC to unleash the full potential of those games you just couldnâ(TM)t play properly on that busted old 386.

Re:Whoa (2, Interesting)

mcvos (645701) | more than 4 years ago | (#25508741)

A good selection and a good price ($6 each). The one question remaining is, what platform do they require?

You mean: does it run on linux?

That's what I'd like to know too, actually.

Re:Whoa (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25510993)

Some probably do, some probably don't. But if they run under dosbox, they may well work under qemu or kvm with freedos too (or, hey, dosbox on linux)

Several of the games (Descent! Yay!!!) have native linux open source opengl engines now, but still rely on nonfree game data files - that you can now get legally again. Others, e.g. Descent 3, had technically great but closed-source Loki linux ports the first time around that may still lurking on the net somewhere - the data files from windows descent3 and descent3:mercenary should work fine with Loki linux Descent 3, which should still run on modern machines.

Re:Whoa (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25508949)

A good selection and a good price ($6 each).

Good price? You can get most of them free off old magazine cover discs or off ebay for a lot less.

Re:Whoa (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25511083)

Magazine w/cover disk is around $10.
Even if you get the game for $1 on ebay, you're probably looking at $5 shipping or more, depending on where you are, plus you're going to wait a few weeks for delivery.

GOG: $6, decent selection, no DRM, and you get it in the time it takes to download. Pretty fucking decent!

Re:Whoa (1)

spyrochaete (707033) | more than 4 years ago | (#25509933)

I'm fairly positive the entire store is dedicated to making older games run on XP and Vista only.

Re:Whoa (1)

spyrochaete (707033) | more than 4 years ago | (#25509941)

Oops, hit submit prematurely.

Just wanted to add that I bought Descent Freespace 2 from GoG and was able to use a FOSS third party interpreter to run the game asset files with a different executable. I don't remember the exact interpreter I used (I think it was on Sourceforge) but it's multiplatform including Linux and maybe Mac. Many of the games on GoG include the unmodified asset files which might be compatible with various community projects.

Re:Whoa (1)

Pommpie (710718) | more than 4 years ago | (#25510219)

Most of them advertise XP/Vista compatability, but that's not always entirely true. Freespace and Freespace 2, for example, say that they work with XP and Vista and do so long as your computer doesn't have more than three gigabytes of RAM. Their support was unhelpful as well: I sent in the bug report, got one message back asking me a question, I sent back an answer, and never heard from them again.

I eventually found the cause of the problem via Google, luckily. Now, in this particular case the Freespace open source project meant that I could play it anyway, but it's something to bear in mind when you're dropping six bucks on 'Redneck Rampage'.

Re:Whoa (1)

Exanon (1277926) | more than 4 years ago | (#25508721)

I completely agree, this is like walking down Memory Lane. Hostile Waters, Giants: Citizen Kabuto etc.

But the most interesting thing is this: Soldiers: Heroes of World War 2. This game used to have Starforce on it. Wouldn't it be great if it sold more now than before the DRM was removed? Seriously, check the game out, the level of destruction and interaction is almost crazy.

Re:Whoa (1)

click2005 (921437) | more than 4 years ago | (#25509035)

But the most interesting thing is this: Soldiers: Heroes of World War 2. This game used to have Starforce on it. Wouldn't it be great if it sold more now than before the DRM was removed? Seriously, check the game out, the level of destruction and interaction is almost crazy.

I bought this game recently. Its now also available to download off the codemasters website (1400Mb).

Re:Whoa (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25511133)

Check the main executable's PE header, see if the word "reloaded" shows up in it...

Re:Whoa (1)

mcvos (645701) | more than 4 years ago | (#25508745)

I'm pretty surprised that they managed to get all these out on the start. I expected one or two good games, but whoa, Descent? Earthworm Jim? Fallout? Gothic? MDK? Operation Flashpoint? Shogo?

Fallout 1 and 2 are particularly nicely times with the release of FO3. Lots of people will want to play the originals again.

It's like I died and got zombified in the better part of the 90's!

They don't have Baldur's Gate and Torment yet, but I hope they soon will.

Re:Whoa (1)

fastest fascist (1086001) | more than 4 years ago | (#25508905)

Fallout 1 and 2 are particularly nicely times with the release of FO3. Lots of people will want to play the originals again.

I wonder who the money goes to, though... In the case of Fallout 1 and 2, certainly not the developer, since Black Isle is long gone. So.. whoever hold distribution rights now, is that sill Interplay or did they sell everything to Bethesda? My point being, if your rationale for paying for games is supporting the devs, then buying some of these classics may not do that at all.

Re:Whoa (3, Insightful)

mcvos (645701) | more than 4 years ago | (#25508931)

I wonder who the money goes to, though... In the case of Fallout 1 and 2, certainly not the developer, since Black Isle is long gone. So.. whoever hold distribution rights now, is that sill Interplay or did they sell everything to Bethesda? My point being, if your rationale for paying for games is supporting the devs, then buying some of these classics may not do that at all.

Could be. Supporting the devs is probably best done by buying within a year of release. But by buying you might still give a signal that there's a demand for this kind of game.

Re:Whoa (5, Insightful)

Haeleth (414428) | more than 4 years ago | (#25508951)

if your rationale for paying for games is supporting the devs

Since when did one need a rationale for paying for things that cost money?

It's pirates who have to go to extra lengths to justify their behaviour, not purchasers.

Re:Whoa (0, Redundant)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#25509435)

Since when did one need a rationale for paying for things that cost money?

Ummm... Because I can buy all the games listed for about $5 on Ebay or pirate them all for free. If the money doesn't support the devs, why should I pay the new price for it when I can either buy it used or pirate the thing.

Re:Whoa (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25509521)

why should I pay the new price for it when I can either buy it used or pirate the thing.

Yes, because we all know that downloading shit off the net is totally safe, especially with warez. After all, there is absolutely no way that Ivan in Soviet Russia has popped a few select patches into the torrent version.

Re:Whoa (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#25509551)

Its a risk you have to take if you are going to pirate something. And honestly, Ivan from Soviet Russia would have less need to root your box than say, Sony from Soviet America (yes, world headquarters are in Japan, but it was mostly American CDs). Honestly, I trust the "cloud" who might want to annoy me more than the corporation who tries to squeeze every cent out of me.

Re:Whoa (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25509639)

And honestly, Ivan from Soviet Russia would have less need to root your box than say, Sony from Soviet America (yes, world headquarters are in Japan, but it was mostly American CDs).

That's a pretty stupid comment.

Tell us that when he's installed a custom vnc server on your box to steal your SSN, credit info, etc. As nefarious as Sony is they're not going to steal your identity.

Re:Whoa (1)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 4 years ago | (#25509949)

Yes, because these are selling for the "new" price.

Read. The games are all 5.99.

Re:Whoa (2, Insightful)

phorm (591458) | more than 4 years ago | (#25510131)

Because piracy is not proper an alternative to purchasing. Not buying is a good alternative. Pirating a game - especially one that's available in a convenient form at a more-than-reasonable price - just proves that really no matter what argument you use, you're just a cheap loser who doesn't want to shell out cash and has to come up with stupid arguments to justify your behavior.

Buying on eBay is another story, but really I doubt the prices on there are much better than most of the games on this site.

Re:Whoa (1)

Kneo24 (688412) | more than 4 years ago | (#25510429)

Yes, $5 on eBay, and now what about the shipping costs? Oh, wait, it comes out to about the same. So why wait for it when you have it slightly later than now?

Re:Whoa (3, Insightful)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 4 years ago | (#25510453)

You'd rather pay $5 (plus shipping) and deal with ebay, paypal, and an unknown seller than pay $6 to download them?

Re:Whoa (1)

Mr. Slippery (47854) | more than 4 years ago | (#25509501)

Since when did one need a rationale for paying for things that cost money? It's pirates who have to go to extra lengths to justify their behaviour, not purchasers.

Does not economics presume a "rational actor", acting in his or her self-interest? If I can choose between getting X for free and paying for X, then if I'm acting in my rational self-interest, I've got to take the free version unless there's some other consequence.

Re:Whoa (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25512239)

Since when did one need a rationale for paying for things that cost money?

Fine, I'm now charging $5 for every word of yours that I read. Since you apparently don't need any rationale, pay up: I just read a couple dozen words that you wrote.

Because Incentives Influence Behavior (2, Insightful)

Aragorn DeLunar (311860) | more than 4 years ago | (#25509849)

How about this rationale: By increasing the profit potential for really good games (even a decade after their original release!), we encourage game companies to make more really good games. Otherwise they'll just focus on short-term gains with yet another Sims expansion pack.

Rationale for not paying vs... what? (0, Redundant)

phorm (591458) | more than 4 years ago | (#25510111)

Uh... no, you don't actually *NEED* a rationale to pay for something. It comes with a price-tag, which, if it's within your means, you pay.

I assume you're stating the alternative as "piracy" but frankly I think you've got your wires crossed as the whole "well the publishers don't get any money anyhow" is simply a thin argument *for* piracy (as opposed to against purchasing).

Besides, perhaps looking back at what made these games good will make current publishers produce games that don't suck.

Re:Whoa (1)

Yremogtnom (774179) | more than 4 years ago | (#25509121)

And Sacrifice! That was a completely under-rated game!

Re:Whoa (1)

ksd1337 (1029386) | more than 4 years ago | (#25510873)

It's like I died and got zombified in the better part of the 90's!

So that was you in that Micheal Jackson video!

I can't believe (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25508011)

It's not goatse [goatse.cz] !

And why buy when you can just pirate?

Re:I can't believe (0, Offtopic)

fi1th (1090847) | more than 4 years ago | (#25508037)

Nothing has anything on goatse man. Be a good dev and do the man a favour, make an old school RPG of goatse, with all the intimate details the man has given us. Afterall, we all love looking at his gaping anus stretched out before us as if he is offering his sanctuary... Maybe too far..

No DRM? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25508033)

Good news for pirates!

Re:No DRM? (2, Insightful)

91degrees (207121) | more than 4 years ago | (#25508047)

You can probably download most of these games anyway. And it's not like DRM ever stopped pirates.

You're Missing A Point (3, Insightful)

Kneo24 (688412) | more than 4 years ago | (#25508273)

Yes, but how well will the pirated versions play on XP or Vista? They might do ok on XP, but it seems with each newer iteration of Windows, compatibility mode works less and less. With GOG, you don't have to worry about downloading a few programs just to get them to work. You can pay a small fee and just have the game work. That's the intent. A cheap classic without DRM that will be guaranteed to work on Vista? Yes please!

Re:You're Missing A Point (0, Troll)

OeLeWaPpErKe (412765) | more than 4 years ago | (#25508303)

Hmm there's a new dir on this ftp server that ... you know ... I know nothing about ...

GOG games [all of them] [full version]

Wonder what's in there.

Re:You're Missing A Point (4, Interesting)

somersault (912633) | more than 4 years ago | (#25508875)

for the sake of $6-$10 I'd just pay it. If that is more money going to the original creators, or even just stores that explicitly sell their games as DRM free, then I think it's a good thing.

Anyone could get virtually any game, movie, album or TV program for free if they wanted. It's just that not everybody is a dick.

Re:You're Missing A Point (-1, Troll)

OeLeWaPpErKe (412765) | more than 4 years ago | (#25509103)

I'm "a dick" to you anyway, whether or not I steal any games. You see, I do not share your opinions and I exist, therefore you are forced to deal with me.

And that's enough to make me "a dick" to you.

You see it's all the same. Whether or not I make those people's lives impossible. Oh right and there's that I don't give a fuck about your opinion, since you're "a dick" for suggesting I am one.

Re:You're Missing A Point (1)

Rennt (582550) | more than 4 years ago | (#25510127)

Huh? I'm not saying you're a dick, but your post don't really make sense.

Onward regardless, some of us would like to support a business model that gives us what we want without treating us like criminals.

You don't have a right to have these games for free, the price is fair, and there are not any limitations on the product. Why NOT pay for them? at $5.99 per game you could easily be paying that for your warez just in bandwidth!

Re:You're Missing A Point (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 4 years ago | (#25510281)

I'm "a dick" to you anyway, whether or not I steal any games. You see, I do not share your opinions and I exist, therefore you are forced to deal with me.

That makes no sense. I wasn't forced to deal with you, I chose to reply.

I actually am friends with plenty of people who have differing opinions on this matter - some who despise downloading, some who do it all the time with no remorse. I have even downloaded stuff illegally sometimes (I didn't say I can't be a dick sometimes too *shrug*), but these days I prefer to actually support those who make content that I enjoy. I said that people who download things for free are being dicks because they are leeching off of others, not because they have differing opinions to me.

I don't see how it's the "same". You seriously are such a tight bastard that you would rather not pay $6 for the hours of enjoyment that you are going to get out of a game? I make $6 in 15 minutes. I'm happy to give back 15 minutes worth of my time to reward a team that has spent months making a great game, which will give me days, weeks, or perhaps years of enjoyment. I can understand not wanting to pay $80 for a game, but if I don't consider a game worth that, I wait until it comes down in price. You can't really get prices much lower than $6 when it comes to computer games. I spend more than that on lunch each day.

It is of course up to you how you act in life, go do what you want. But if you keep being a leech then I and the rest of decent society are perfectly entitled to refer to openly antisocial people like you as "dicks". If everyone pirated, we wouldn't get commercial quality games. A lot of people have the ability to get free games, music and movies, but they choose not to because they want to encourage the creators to make more of the same, like I said.

If you don't give a fuck, why even bother to reply with your nonsense? It's funny to watch though I guess. Thanks for the entertainment and non sequiturs :)

Re:You're Missing A Point (2, Insightful)

Kneo24 (688412) | more than 4 years ago | (#25510391)

So? What's your point? How long will those torrents or FTP servers stay up? GOG has a longer chance of being active than either of those two options. So essentially GOG is still easier to use than the alternatives. Everything is done for you. You pay a small fee.

The time you spent trolling on here, you could've spent that time earning $6.

Re:You're Missing A Point (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#25508493)

Most of the originals will work in DOSBox. Battle Chess ran happily on a 286, for example. As such, it will work in DOSBox nicely without issues. This means I can run it on Windows, *NIX, or OS X. The versions they are selling only work on Windows - and only recent versions of Windows at that.

Re:You're Missing A Point (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25509641)

For the DOS games they're selling, they're actually using a bundled version of DOSBox anyway. It's the same kind of setup as the DOS games available through Steam.

Assume for a moment that I don't already own a copy of one of these games, and I don't want to pirate it. Buying a copy from GoG is much simpler than trying to track down a copy of the original.

Once you have that (and I don't see any requirement for using Windows to download the games themselves) you can take the original files and do whatever you want with them. Run them in your own copy of DOSBox on any OS you like. Run them in a VM. Copy them onto floppy disks, and load them onto an old DOS machine.

As for only supporting newer versions of Windows, they've done pretty much what I would have done. That is, not bother testing it on older versions of Windows, and don't claim that they're supported. Yeah, they'll probably work, but the extra effort involved in actually verifying that they work is probably too much. Testing on two OSes is bad enough.

Re:You're Missing A Point (2, Interesting)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#25509695)

It wouldn't cost them anything to add a DOSBox logo next to the games that they ship with DOSBox though, and then I'd know I could play them in DOSBox on platforms I use.

Re:You're Missing A Point (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25512587)

That's a good idea. I'll put your suggestion on GOG's forum unless somebody (you, maybe) beats me to it.

Re:No DRM? (5, Insightful)

jonaskoelker (922170) | more than 4 years ago | (#25508051)

No DRM? Good news for pirates!

No, good news for honest buyers.

Let's divide people into three groups: those who buy, those who make the pirated (DRM-free) version, and those who pirate.

Those who buy will now get a better product.

Those who pirate never see the DRM in the first place.

Those who make the pirated version will have an easier time; this benefits the pirates ever so slightly, but DRM is often defeated faster than you can say Yo-Ho, so the benefit is ever so slight.

The real winners, whenever DRM is removed, are the honest consumers.

Re:No DRM? (-1, Flamebait)

Ash-Fox (726320) | more than 4 years ago | (#25508087)

Let's divide people into three groups: those who buy, those who make the pirated (DRM-free) version, and those who pirate.

There are plenty of games on TPB which have DRM, they just use those CDROM emulators to trick TAGES, Starforce etc.

Don't believe me? Just search for "x3: Terran Conflict" on TBP (I actually own a legal copy in you check my games list [steamcommunity.com] ).

Those who pirate never see the DRM in the first place.

Sure they do, I just proved it to you.

Those who make the pirated version will have an easier time; this benefits the pirates ever so slightly, but DRM is often defeated faster than you can say Yo-Ho, so the benefit is ever so slight.

What? Mounting a cd image? Err.. If it still has the DRM, I don't see how.

Re:No DRM? (1)

ghostdoc (1235612) | more than 4 years ago | (#25508789)

Those who pirate never see the DRM in the first place.

Sure they do, I just proved it to you.

yeah, but if you're a pirate, then mounting a DVD image of one more game isn't a huge effort, as you've already got the relevant software set up for your other pirated games.

The original point still holds true...DRM is more of a hassle to legitimate purchasers than it is to pirates.

Re:No DRM? (2, Insightful)

Haeleth (414428) | more than 4 years ago | (#25508999)

DRM is more of a hassle to legitimate purchasers than it is to pirates.

That really does depend on the DRM, though. I quite agree that the best option is no DRM, but that's not to say that all DRM is equally bad.

The DRM in Mass Effect was a right pain. Forget the limited-activations issue -- it nearly prevented me from activating the game once, thanks to a locale-related bug that suggests that the underlying code is incredibly poorly written. I shall never play another game that uses SecuROM, period.

On the other hand, the only way I know Valve's games have DRM is because I've been told it. I'd never have noticed otherwise, because buying from Steam has been completely hassle-free.

Re:No DRM? (1)

Ash-Fox (726320) | more than 4 years ago | (#25509151)

yeah, but if you're a pirate, then mounting a DVD image of one more game isn't a huge effort, as you've already got the relevant software set up for your other pirated games.

They would still have the DRM and suffer any weird problems the DRM gives you. Such as SecuROM's numerous bugs, issues starting games because certain software is installed, wrecked disc drives from anti-piracy checking tools etc.

Re:No DRM? (1)

Ash-Fox (726320) | more than 4 years ago | (#25511691)

How was this flamebait?

Re:No DRM? (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 4 years ago | (#25509771)

Nonsense. We pirates have had free access to all these things for years. I guarantee you there's not one game in their catalog that's not freely and easily available on the internet. So really, there's absolutely no point to putting DRM on it.

But I'm not sure there's much point to selling these old games either. Everyone involved with their creation got paid and moved on many years ago, so there's not really a moral imperative to reward the creators. I'd feel guilty if I pirated a new retro style game, like Al Emmo [himalayastudios.com] , but not these.

I'm sure someone will want to pay for these though, so someone might as well sell it. I suppose there's always a possibility that if enough people buy Freespace 2 we might see a Freespace 3, but that seems slim.

Re:No DRM? (1)

CopaceticOpus (965603) | more than 4 years ago | (#25511781)

Actually, bad news for pirates. Much of the motivation for those who crack games is the challenge of defeating copy protection, and the kudos they get for supplying the game to others. Defeating DRM is a game in itself. Where's the challenge now?

Furthermore, it's easy to justify pirating a game when it is sold for a high price with intrusive, annoying copy protection schemes. You can make the case that it could be damaging your computer, or that you hate being forced to play off of the CD, or that the game is too expensive. Whether or not these arguments are valid, they make for great excuses.

But now when the games cost 6 bucks and have no protection, pirating will just make a person feel like a real cheapskate.

Freespace FTW (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25508067)

I bought Freespace 1/2 off of GOG and played it on my Mac through FS2_Open, the open sourced FS engine... a kick ass game, in beautiful high res graphics. This is how all abandonware should work ;).

And it sure as hell beat the X-Wing / Tie-Fighter series out of the water in terms of innovative mission design.

Plus, their site is really slick, clean and easy to use.

a little high for some of these old games... (1)

crossmr (957846) | more than 4 years ago | (#25508175)

The price is a bit on the high side for some of the old games. Battle chess for $6?
Now that the canadian dollar has tanked again, that's closer to $20.

I might be a little more interested in buying some of the really old games for something more in the neighbourhood of $3.

You can get a sale on steam sometimes for some new indie games around $6-$8.

Re:a little high for some of these old games... (3, Insightful)

Kneo24 (688412) | more than 4 years ago | (#25508293)

And how would they make a profit from that price? I imagine the publisher / developer needs to get a slice of the pie too. And then there's the cost of the servers, etc... That $3 would be eaten up fast with likely little to not profit being made.

Re:a little high for some of these old games... (1)

crossmr (957846) | more than 4 years ago | (#25508453)

its a 44 mb file.. storage is trivial, bandwidth is trivial on that. The other more recent games (games as recent as 2004 and actually worth $10). I imagine that the publisher/developer takes a percentage and not a fixed fee per game. You make it up in volume that is how business works. You don't make the same profit on every single item in your store.
Some items you sell few of but are high margin, other items are low margin but you move in high volume. At $3 battle chess is an impulse buy with some other game, at $6 I'm going to take fall out before I take battle chess.

Re:a little high for some of these old games... (1)

vux984 (928602) | more than 4 years ago | (#25508823)

At $3 battle chess is an impulse buy with some other game, at $6 I'm going to take fall out before I take battle chess.

-shrug-

meh, 3$ 6$, whatever. Either is an impulse buy price for me. And I like the single price point model for classic games.

Sure I might buy twice as many games at 3$ than I would at $6... but so what? That doesn't make THEM any more money... and indeed will cost them more in overhead... transaction fees, bandwidth etc. $5.99 is a pretty solid price.

When I went to the site, although I was quite impressed and pleased with the selection I was really actually hoping for some OLDER stuff. Ogre, X-Com, 2400AD, Gunship 2000, Wing commander I/II, MechWarrior, in particular. I'd pay $5 for each of those, for a version that run smoothly without issues under Windows XP/Vista (with usb joystick support in relevant titles)

Re:a little high for some of these old games... (1)

crossmr (957846) | more than 4 years ago | (#25509161)

Yes, but with some $3 games you might be more inclined to buy a $3 game and a $6 game. than just 1 $6 game. There is nothing wrong with targeting various price points and frankly you'd have a hard time trying to convince me that fallout and battle chess have the same value as far as a video game go.

Re:a little high for some of these old games... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25509207)

Give it time. By starting the store at these prices, they can then have sales later, "buy one $6 game, get one from this other set for $3."

Re:a little high for some of these old games... (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 4 years ago | (#25509371)

Indeed, $6 has been more or less the agreed upon price for the last couple decades. Which is really less expensive now than it was back then.

Re:a little high for some of these old games... (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 4 years ago | (#25510037)

They'd just ship them in Dosbox anyway. Might as well download them if they're not going to sell them to you. Dosbox should even support your USB joystick.

Re:a little high for some of these old games... (1)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 4 years ago | (#25512807)

I'm pretty sure you can get X-com on Steam now. Don't remember the price.

Re:a little high for some of these old games... (1)

Kneo24 (688412) | more than 4 years ago | (#25510331)

I never stated they would get a fixed fee, just that other people have to be paid besides the people at GOG for this service to even be available.

I'm not entirely sure loss leaders would work in this type of environment for an extended period of time.

And you still don't address how GOG would make money from that $3 price tag. What? Because you mention a little about volume and percentages? Why would a developer even choose to sell their IP on this service if they're not going to be making a decent amount of money?

A game titled "Battle Chess" is only an impulse buy to a set audience of people. A game like Fallout on the other hand, would be more of an impulse buy at that price. Why? Because everyone has heard the name, and if you hadn't tried it before, $3 is pretty damn cheap to try a classic that people speak so fondly of.

Re:a little high for some of these old games... (1)

sheath (4100) | more than 4 years ago | (#25509617)

Not sure what part of Canada you live in, but where I am, $6 US is about $7.65 Canadian. (With the dollar at 78.5 cents today...)

If an extra $1.65 is a big problem, you might want to save your money for more Kraft Dinner...

Re:a little high for some of these old games... (1)

crossmr (957846) | more than 4 years ago | (#25509709)

I'm not anymore, but the rate is far different from when I left 4.5 months ago when we were sitting at par. I hadn't been paying much attention to it at all until I went to make a web purchase recently and found out that the exchange was vastly different on my credit cards now. But that does bring paying for Battle chess to almost $8, which is far and above what a 20ish year old game is worth.

Re:a little high for some of these old games... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25513011)

is far and above what a 20ish year old game is worth.

..to you, apparently.

Trojan Asshats... er horses (-1, Troll)

dexomn (147950) | more than 4 years ago | (#25508301)

Stardock? Look at the bullshit they have released over the years that was more intrusive and less cool... fuck these guys.

Re:Trojan Asshats... er horses (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25508387)

Stardock != Starforce

The revolution. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25508411)

The rigth way of things, more "collaboration"!
It is the rigth attitude in a world that now money and control is nothing.

Fallout:Tactics works for me in Crossover Games (1)

adriccom (44869) | more than 4 years ago | (#25508757)

So, it's probably fine in standard Wine too once you have your configuration solid.

Oh, and this is on my Mac , CrossOver Games 7.1 from codeweavers.com :D

Thanks GoG!

Re:Fallout:Tactics works for me in Crossover Games (1)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 4 years ago | (#25509979)

Do you know if Crossover will run on a PS3? It's got a PPC core...

Re:Fallout:Tactics works for me in Crossover Games (1)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 4 years ago | (#25510259)

Crossover (or Wine in general) isn't an emulator, just a program loader and a bunch of libraries (the Win16, Win32, and NT DLLs) that are all x86 and designed to link with x86 applications. Short answer: No.

On the flip side, a lot of these games are DOS based, and DOSBox, an open-source 286/386 emulator, does work on PPC. True emulation costs performance, of course, but given the speed these games were designed to run at any modern CPU should have more than enough clock speed.

Does anybody know if it's possible to extract the DOS game from the bundle that you get from GoG, and run it in DOSBox on another platform?

Wait, isn't Freepace 2 already free? (1)

NotSoHeavyD2 (1382727) | more than 4 years ago | (#25508767)

I mean I thought Volition officially released it as a free game for anybody to play. I thought it was released as Freeware a couple of years ago.

Re:Wait, isn't Freepace 2 already free? (1)

rsmith-mac (639075) | more than 4 years ago | (#25508811)

As far as anyone can tell when reading the EULA, it is free. But that doesn't mean Interplay can't sell it as part of their back catalog.

Re:Wait, isn't Freepace 2 already free? (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 4 years ago | (#25510067)

Yes, according to the EULA it can be freely redistributed. But since GOG started selling it, it looks like the places that were hosting it stopped in favor of directing people to GOG. $6 is plenty reasonable anyway.

Really good! (1)

holiggan (522846) | more than 4 years ago | (#25508805)

I've been using GOG since they released the private beta, and it's really good!

Being an "old-but-not-pacman-old-school" gammer, I just loved the fact that I can get some old favorites for a very reasonable price, and without DRM!

I even got the chance to buy Messiah, wich I never got to play, although I can remember the hype quite clearly ;)

It's a really great project and I'm looking forward to see even more oldies-but-goldies on GOG.

The industry should really wake up and realize that we the people still enjoy the old games and will pay money for them, as long as the companies don't try to extort us or push DRM down our throats.

Javascriptless fallback missing from website (0, Troll)

evanh (627108) | more than 4 years ago | (#25508821)

Wasn't able to buy anything without Javascript. :( Not likely I'll be back.

Re:Javascriptless fallback missing from website (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25509067)

And nothing of value was lost.

Slightly off-topic (1)

TDyl (862130) | more than 4 years ago | (#25509225)

Does anyone know if I can get any of the Tex Murphy games (preferably just Under A Killing Moon & The Pandora Directive) anywhere? TIA

DRM free? (1)

heptapod (243146) | more than 4 years ago | (#25509441)

Very interesting. So in 10 years I can get Spore or Bioshock from them and it won't have any DRM?

From the Ashes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25509447)

So this is Interplay's solution to getting solvent again? Selling games that people like without treating the consumer that might be their salvation like a criminal?

It's like the anti-Brian Fargo is now the CEO. Maybe they'll pay their employees this time too!

NO mention of their use of dosbox on their site. (-1, Troll)

Truekaiser (724672) | more than 4 years ago | (#25509541)

Means NO dollar of mine will enter their bank account, while i am not a F/oss zealot Taking other people's work that they do just for fun and using it to make a profit without thanking them or compensating them is wrong.

Re:NO mention of their use of dosbox on their site (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25509793)

Don't hurt yourself while getting off your high horse:
http://www.gog.com/en/thanks/ [gog.com]

Their thanks page specifically mentions DOSBox.

Are you going to part with some of those dollars now or do you just like to complain?

Re:NO mention of their use of dosbox on their site (-1, Troll)

Truekaiser (724672) | more than 4 years ago | (#25510195)

.. a TWO word link on the very bottom of the front page only does not mean they are giving proper thanks to the people they are standing on top of. consider that most of their games are dos based they should have a note of thanks at the TOP of EVERY order page for EVERY dos game saying 'This game is run in Dosbox(link)'. it doesn't bode too well on their attitude that their 'thanks' page is hidden. Though i have to admit it's better then NO mention.

Re:NO mention of their use of dosbox on their site (-1, Flamebait)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 4 years ago | (#25510477)

douchebag much?

Re:NO mention of their use of dosbox on their site (2, Interesting)

Kneo24 (688412) | more than 4 years ago | (#25510515)

Yup, you just like to bitch.

The fact is, 99% of the people using GOG aren't going to care about DOSBOX. The only thing they care about is that they have a hassle free way of getting their favorite classics to run on their newer PC. That little thanks that you expect on every single page will just clutter the layout

Besides, their thanks page isn't hidden. Using hyperbole to drive home your bitchiness doesn't make it your point any more valid.

Re:NO mention of their use of dosbox on their site (1)

Gadget_Guy (627405) | more than 4 years ago | (#25510543)

Well, I guess that answers the grandparent's question to you. The link to the Thanks page is on the bottom of every single page, including for their forums. It seems quite appropriate to me.

If the Dosbox team didn't want this sort of thing to happen then they could have specified that it was free for non-commercial use only.

That took me a whole 2 minutes. (3, Informative)

Macthorpe (960048) | more than 4 years ago | (#25509889)

Look harder. [gog.com] Linked from the front page and everything.

Needs more (2, Insightful)

etherlad (410990) | more than 4 years ago | (#25509891)

Looks good so far, but their library is still a little limited. I still have copies of most of the games I'd want to buy.

Now if they get access to Sierra and LucasArts' back catalogue, then we're in business.

Re:Needs more (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25511695)

I totally agree with you.

I've got a lot of the Lucas Arts stuff. But I want play Half Life 2! But I will never, ever buy it encrusted with DRM like Steam.

Let me buy a copy for my own use on my own home computers, single player, and I am so there.

No DRM is all that won't annoy me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25510095)

"So the publishers are telling us, 'Put your money where your mouth is. Why don't you guys develop something that you think is suitable that would protect our IP, but would be more acceptable to users?'

Already invented. It's called copyright law. Now fuck off.

perfect for netbooks (2, Interesting)

Dimble ThriceFoon (567451) | more than 4 years ago | (#25510327)

all those DRM'less digital download games are perfect for netbooks without optical drives. a jolly good idea that i will be supporting.

this site is tops (3, Informative)

Bobtree (105901) | more than 4 years ago | (#25510437)

I signed up and bought Hostile Waters on Thursday.

GoG.com is easily the best online buying experience I have ever had.

The selection is quite good but currently limited (I already own 20 of the 40+ titles). Most titles are $6, with a few more recent ones at $10.

The site design itself is excellent, with a global wishlist, ratings, reviews, and forums. Buying was totally painless.

Games are DRM-free downloads, pre-patched, XP/Vista compatible, come with installers, have extra download materials (like manuals), and get game-specific support sections and forums.

I'll definitely be shopping there again.

Any news on Blood? (1)

Nurgel (1354309) | more than 4 years ago | (#25511995)

The old game by Monolith? Tough to get running on Windows XP correctly, I'd pay good $$$ for a working port.
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