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What Normal Users Can Expect From Ubuntu 8.10

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the abnormal-users-can-expect-whatever-they-want dept.

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notthatwillsmith writes "With Ubuntu 8.10 due to be released in just a few days, Maximum PC pored through all the enhancements, updates, and new features that are bundled into the release of Intrepid Ibex and separated out the new features that are most exciting for Linux desktop users. Things to be excited about? With new versions of GNOME and X.Org, there's quite a bit, ranging from the context-sensitive Deskbar search to an audio and video compatible SIP client to the new Network Manager (manage wired, Wi-Fi, VPN, and cellular broadband connections in one place)."

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511 comments

What normal users can expect (5, Funny)

kidde_valind (1060754) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512565)

A brown desktop background?

Re:What normal users can expect (2, Insightful)

LingNoi (1066278) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512679)

Brown is Ubuntu's branding. Your artsy fartsy self might not like it but there are many others that do.

Re:What normal users can expect (4, Interesting)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512783)

And it encourages those that don't like it to explore the customization features.

...there are many others that do [like it]. (0, Flamebait)

snikulin (889460) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513141)

Brown is a new White and MS has Zune to prove it!
But seriously, I always was perplexed by brown Ubuntu background. With so many arrows in the back of Zune... Or was it Shuttleworth first and MS a copycat?

Re:What normal users can expect (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25513181)

In most cultures, brown is associated with shit, scat, gay sex, etc.

Re:What normal users can expect (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512809)

From the article:

Yes. [maximumpc.com]

Re:What normal users can expect (5, Interesting)

solevita (967690) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512839)

Indeed.

When using previous Ubuntu versions, the first thing I would do after installation was the theme to something less brown. I downloaded and installed the 8.10 beta the day it was released and it was beautiful - no need to change a thing - I loved it.

Sadly an update replaced the beta's wallpaper with, what I imagine is, the wallpaper for the final release. It looks like crap so I changed to a solid brown background.

Ubuntu are employing people to do design work now and it really shows. Yes, you get a brown desktop background, no, this isn't what Microsoft or Apple would sell you (unless you've got a Zune, I guess), but yes, it looks wonderful.

An operating system is more than the colour of the background image, of course, so I really shouldn't be labouring the point so hard, or feeding the troll; if you don't like it you could change it - don't judge the whole thing on its theme. Having said that, in 8.10 brown works well.

Re:What normal users can expect (2, Interesting)

Greg_D (138979) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513179)

One of the problems Ubuntu has from a selling standpoint is that Gnome's look, even with the Ubuntu customized settings, look like a dull hodgepodge ripoff of Windows XP and OS X Panther.

If you can't get people to use your distro because it looks like it's way past its prime, then it doesn't matter how useable it actually is. People need to see past ideology and make something that looks like what people are likely to want to use.

In other words, brown is bad in this instance.

Re:What normal users can expect (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25512849)

If the first thing you do isn't change the desktop picture on a new install you must either be boring or dumb and don't know how to do it.

Re:What normal users can expect (2, Interesting)

mackyrae (999347) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513021)

I don't like the 8.10 wallpaper so much, but 8.04 had a beautiful wallpaper around alpah 3. The final one wasn't quite as nice, but I still like it. Feisty and Gutsy's brown wallpapers looked like the brown silk of a lady's dress puddling at the floor. Based on that imagery, I think you can tell I liked those too :)

I like Ubuntu's warm theming. Other distros and OSes are so cold by comparison. I like red and orange as well, though, so right now I'm using the Kin Dust theme created by a member of Ubuntu's art team along with a GNOME wallpaper of a red/orange flower.

The 8.10 wallpaper looks like... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25512885)

...someone's in the process of cleaning dog shit from a floor.

Re:The 8.10 wallpaper looks like... (1)

Daimanta (1140543) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513093)

and have the dog shit coincidentally spread out in the form of an (intrepid?) Ibex.

Re:What normal users can expect (5, Interesting)

alex4u2nv (869827) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513015)

Its either that, or the naked people! (ubuntu calendar) [google.com]

Check the author's name (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25512575)

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My life got flipped, turned upside down,
And Iâ(TM)d like to take a minute, just sit right there,
Iâ(TM)ll tell you how I became the prince of a town called Bel Air.

In West Philadelphia, born and raised
On the playground is where I spent most of my days.
Chillinâ(TM) out, maxinâ(TM), relaxin all cool,
And all shootinâ(TM) some b-ball outside of the school.

When a couple of guys who were up to no good,
Started makinâ(TM) trouble in my neighborhood.
I got in one little fight and my mom got scared,
And said Youâ(TM)re movinâ(TM) with your auntie and uncle in Bel Air.

I begged and pleaded with her the other day
But she packed my suitcase and sent me on my way
She gave me a kiss and she gave me my ticket
I put my walkman on and said I might as well kick it

First class, yo this is bad,
Drinking orange juice out of a champagne glass
Is this what the people of Bel-Air livin' like,
Hmm this might be alright!

But wait I hear the prissy, bushwa and all that
Is this the kind of place that they just send this cool cat?
I don't think so. I'll see when I get there.
I hope they're prepared for the Prince of Bel-Air!

The plane landed and when I came out
There was a dude,looked like a cop,
standin there with my name out
I ain't tryin to get arrested yet I just got here
I sprang with the quickness and like lightening disappeared

Well, I whistled for a cab, and when it came near,
The license plate said fresh and it had dice in the mirror.
If anything I could say that this cat was rare,
But I thought Nah forget it, "Yo home to Bel Air."

I pulled up to the house about seven or eight,
and I yelled to the cabby "Yo homes, smell ya later."
Looked at my kingdom, I was finally there,
To fill my throne as the Prince of Bel Air.

Newbie Question (3, Interesting)

electrictroy (912290) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512579)

Is Ubuntu the easiest version of Linux to set up? I like the ease of just clicking "install" and everything automagically takes care of itself. (Like my Windows XP disc.)

Re:Newbie Question (0)

cpicon92 (1157705) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512629)

It's pretty much as close as you'll get to "just working" (tm apple) in the Linux world.

Re:Newbie Question (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25512669)

It asks for your keyboard type, timezone, login name, password, and whether you want to wipe your harddrive or install alongside windows.

I guess that's too hard for you.

Re:Newbie Question (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25512727)

Is Ubuntu the easiest version of Linux to set up?

No. Try Mandriva and PCLOS for the easiest - they've still got the jump on Ubuntu for "it just works" with no fiddling. And their Control Center feature is better.

Otherwise I prefer and use Ubuntu. Been using it for three years on three boxes.

Ubuntu /does/ seem to work without fiddling for some people, and no doubt a few will flame here that I'm some sort of Microsoft Shill or whatever, but that's my experience. When I install Mandriva or PCLOS, those just work from GO, and I really wish Ubuntu would have a good look at what they're doing different.

Haven't installed Ibex yet. I was one of the approx 25% of beta testers who had a wretched time, so filled out the bug reports and am now going to wait a month or two past release before trying the final.

Re:Newbie Question (5, Informative)

nine-times (778537) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512757)

What version of Windows XP are you using? Any time I've installed XP from a normal disk, it requires at least agreeing to some license agreement, partitioning, formating, configuring your network to some degree, choosing username, clicking "Next" a bunch of times, some other random stupid things I'm preobably not remembering, and then installing several drivers. I'd love a copy of XP that installed as easily as hitting the "install" button.

Anyway, yeah, Ubuntu is about as easy as installing Windows-- potentially easier because it's likely that it will recognize more of your hardware without installing drivers. Also, you can boot up the install CD as a LiveCD and try using the OS before you install.

Re:Newbie Question (3, Informative)

Lennie (16154) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512793)

I think he's probably talking about a restore cd or similair.

Re:Newbie Question (4, Informative)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513155)

Which he'll get, if he buys something like an Ubuntu computer from Dell:

http://www.dell.com/ubuntu [dell.com]

I bought an Ubuntu laptop from Dell and I'm very pleased.

You get support, a restore disk, "legal" DVD playback support and some very nice equipment.

Re:Newbie Question (2, Informative)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512871)

I'd love a copy of XP that installed as easily as hitting the "install" button.

nLite [nliteos.com]

You can slipstream in service packs and hotfixes, set all those little options you always change, chose not to install certain components (even Luna), set your CD-key...

Re:Newbie Question (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25513013)

I can also customise an Ubuntu disk to include codecs, skype, nvidia or ati drivers, etc as well.

It doesn't make for a good comparison and only windows admins know how to slipstream while the rest of the us use the normal xp disk.

Re:Newbie Question (1)

jimdread (1089853) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513157)

That sounds interesting. Does it run off a live CD? Or do you have to install Windows first, then install nlite, then make the super-install-disk, then do the easy Windows install? Because if you have to install Windows and do a whole bunch of other stuff before you can do a quick and easy Windows install, why not stick with your first Windows install?

Re:Newbie Question (1)

cheater512 (783349) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513161)

Isnt that even more work than just clicking Install?

Re:Newbie Question (1)

prestomation (583502) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513187)

Yes, but if you're in the habit of reinstalling XP more then a couple times a year between machines, it is worth it. Especially the ability to include drivers so you don't have to do so much hunting for drivers every time.

Re:Newbie Question (2, Interesting)

kesuki (321456) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512975)

"Any time I've installed XP from a normal disk, it requires at least agreeing to some license agreement, partitioning, formating, configuring your network to some degree, choosing username, clicking "Next" a bunch of times, some other random stupid things I'm preobably not remembering"

any big name OEM install includes about exactly picking your username, waiting while installs tons of garbage, (trial ware everything, stupid OEM software, those drivers you mentioned, etc) and then removing all the crappy software that they preloaded because they got paid $1 to install it, default.

some people don't remove the crappy software, and i don't know how many times i've seen this software not get patched, and wind up letting some hacker get into their system, because they had unpatched software they didn't even know they were running.

the nice thing about ubuntu/kubuntu is that everything updates, if you run the updater. the down side is i've had ubuntu break working systems in updates. ah well.

Re:Newbie Question (2, Interesting)

LingNoi (1066278) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512775)

You never just "click install" on windows xp..

1) Pop in disk
2) First you have to setup a partition to install windows.. lets assume it's an empty disk so you'd press c (create partition) and number the number of disk space for that partition then enter, then you press enter again to install on that partition.
3) Windows installs some files then reboots into a install setup. On this page you setup your computers name, organisation, location and language setup, keyboard setup, etc.
4) Windows installs more files
5) You get to the desktop at which point you have to put in your Microsoft Office disk
6) Follow the installer to get Microsoft office installed
7) Run windows update to install important security updates for Microsoft Office and Microsoft Windows xp

To say that is a one click install is horribly misleading.

Ubuntu on the other hand contains much less steps

1) Pop in disk
2) Wait for desktop to appear and click on the install icon and choose your keyboard, location, username and password
3) If it's an empty disk it'll ask if you want to use the whole disk. No ugly dos based program.
4) Wait for installer to finish then restart taking out the disk.

Re:Newbie Question (3, Insightful)

bonch (38532) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512965)

Posts like yours are always fun because they're always wildly biased. First, you overstate the Windows partition step while over-simplifying the Ubuntu partition step. Second, I love how you include Microsoft Office in the Windows steps just to pad the list, as if most Windows PCs and their factory reinstall discs don't already include some form of Office. You also pad the list with things like "Windows installs more files," as if Ubuntu doesn't also, you know, install files. You even throw in Windows Update, as if Ubuntu doesn't pop up a red triangle on the Gnome menu telling you there are updates to download.

All in all, a biased post that will probably hit +5 instantly.

Re:Newbie Question (2, Informative)

mackyrae (999347) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513035)

Uh, Windows install disks don't include Office. He's right on that.

And Ubuntu's version of the partitioner is that it gives a "use whole disk" option and a "drag the slider to show how much of the disk goes to each OS" thing. There is a more advanced partitioner available, but the user doesn't have to see it.

Re:Newbie Question (4, Insightful)

LingNoi (1066278) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513119)

you overstate the Windows partition step while over-simplifying the Ubuntu partition step.

How so? What I said is exactly that. On an unformatted disk you get three options, 1- use the whole disk, 2- custom partiton, and.. wait. there's only two.

I can't figure out what I mean by me over simplifying it because that's what it is, simple.

Since you didn't include an example of what you mean (no need to backup your claims, right) i'll just have to assume you don't know what you're talking about.

Second, I love how you include Microsoft Office in the Windows steps just to pad the list

I did that because Ubuntu comes with Office software already on the disk.

You do realise that people use office software don't you?

as if most Windows PCs and their factory reinstall discs don't already include some form of Office

This is nonsense, how can you do a fair comparrison of installing the operating system on a custom pc and come up with "the vendor disk".

It's totally irrelevant anyway because it's still not a click install even with the vendor disk. Which was my whole point in the first place.

You even throw in Windows Update, as if Ubuntu doesn't pop up a red triangle on the Gnome menu telling you there are updates to download.

Yes because it would be irresponsible not to download updates for Windows. It's so important that your box can get owned in less then 4 minutes [slashdot.org] .

Re:Newbie Question (1)

wakingrufus (904726) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513195)

decent point to make, however, you should know that Windows never comes with Office if you are installing it from disk.

Re:Newbie Question (4, Informative)

BraulioBezerra (1321253) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512995)

4) Wait for installer to finish then restart taking out the disk.

And meanwhile you can access the Internet (in most cases) or play some games.

Re:Newbie Question (5, Interesting)

jonaskoelker (922170) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512997)

You never just "click install" on windows xp..
1) Pop in disk
2) First you have to [...]

Almost correct.

1-5) as you said.
6) Look at the popup that says lsass.exe will shut down your box in 30 seconds
7) Pull the box off the network
8-12) Do step 1-5 again
13) Download antivirus without connection to the network. Pixies and leprechauns are helpful here.
14) Install the antivirus
15-16) step 6-7

Based on a true story. I can't tell you how much I hated windows when I saw the sasser popup.

5)... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25513023)

...Find out that the resolution is wrong (Intel open SW controller!) and your Realtek GigE NIC does not work.
6) Spend few hours trying to resolve it.
7) Pop in a SUSE disk.
8) GOTO 1

Re:Newbie Question (1)

socsoc (1116769) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513171)

What part of installing Windows XP requires my Microsoft Office disc? I installed XP this morning on this box and am pretty sure it wasn't required. I did have do download sp2 and sp3, but that's because my retail disc is old.

Ubuntu also has a software update that you'd want to run as well after installation.

Re:Newbie Question (1)

Anonymous Cowpat (788193) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512831)

Nope. Ubuntu is a pita to get working the way you want - oh yes, if you just want it working out of the box as the ubuntu developers want it working out of the box it's ok (unless you want some custom partitions, in which case it's a bit hairy), but to make it do what YOU want is damn-near impossible.

I was trying to set up a mythtv box a few weeks ago with mythbuntu, and I could get mythbuntu installed, but could I get control over any of the rest of the system to make customisations? Could I heck - I also couldn't persuade mythTV to actually work - which is impressive for a distro which is supposed to have it all working.

Eventually I wiped it and started again with suse11.0 and slapped the myth packages on top of it and now it works. Yast makes it an absolute doddle to add software and modify system settings - no disro should be allowed into the home without it.

Re:Newbie Question (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513079)

Ubuntu doesn't need to be infinitely customizable. We have Gentoo for that. Anyways, it's not like you can't put together your own distro if you care enough.

Re:Newbie Question (1)

Anonymous Cowpat (788193) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513159)

I mean stuff like getting at the firewall settings so I could be sure that port 22 was open, or getting at the bootloader settings - there's a Yast module for those in suse, in ubuntu you seem to be forced to modify obscure config files - and because there's no sensible way of installing software you can't actually get a useable text editor to edit them with (nor is there an obvious way to start one of the GUI text editors as root).

Re:Newbie Question (1)

guyminuslife (1349809) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512895)

I have to say, installation is one of the areas where Ubuntu really is easier than XP. When I had to reinstall XP on a formatted hard drive, I spent about an hour having to hunt down all the drivers it didn't include.

That being said, try the Ubuntu LiveCD before you install.

Re:Newbie Question (5, Interesting)

marco.antonio.costa (937534) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512927)

In my experience it's more JustWorkish than Windows. My ancient Bt878whatever capture card and Chinese junk Bluetooth adapter were both a pain to set on Windows. On Ubuntu I just get a recognized capture device and a nice little BT icon on the tray. :-)

Haven't looked back since. Kudos to Shuttleworth and employees.

Re:Newbie Question (3, Informative)

ricegf (1059658) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512947)

It's actually easier than Windows, IMHO. It boots into Ubuntu without asking a single question, so you can decide if you like it. If you do, double-click "Install" on the desktop, answer the same type of questions as you would on Windows, and while it loads onto the hard drive, you can continue using it.

Or, if you prefer, stick the disk into a computer running Windows, click "Install", and it will install as if it were a Windows application. After installation, when you reboot, you get the usual grub menu to select either Ubuntu or Windows. If you later decide you don't like it, boot Windows and select Ubuntu and Uninstall from Add / Remove Programs, and it uninstalls.

I really can't imagine anything easier. Well, other than buying [dell.com] it [system76.com] pre-installed [tuxmobil.org] . :-)

Re:Newbie Question (1)

dominious (1077089) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513047)

it supposed to be, but honestly don't expect to have everything running out of the box. A friend of mine installed it and now she asks why she can't connect wireless, why the graphics card is so slow, how to install flash, why the sound doesnt work and so on..well guess what? It will take the whole weekend to install the damn wireless drivers, the graphics accelerators etc to set the whole thing up..and I can see my self in a few days saying to her: "well the wireless works now but is not fully functional because "this" and "that" and all that kind of shit..but then again once you got everything installed it's the best operating system!" The moral of the story: If the drivers are not there by default (probably because it's a new laptop) then you are screwed!

Lots o' New Stuff (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25512585)

But nobody would mistake this for a lean mean Linux machine. It's Vista Lite

kubuntu? (1)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512589)

and what about kubuntu users?

most of the features seam gnome centric. use KDE fans make up ~30% of the *buntu userbase

Re:kubuntu? (4, Informative)

Kjella (173770) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512693)

KDE4. No more KDE3, if you want that stick with hardy. So if you have already made the jump with KDE4 packages on hardy I'd guess "not that much", if you haven't well better read up on all the news in KDE4.

Re:kubuntu? (4, Informative)

kesuki (321456) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512773)

kubuntu 8.10 is coming along too, i've got the beta running, because the 8.04.1 update hosed my system. broke the x.org server, sigh.

8.10 kubuntu although still in beta has been pretty stable, there was one program that crashed on me, but didn't affect me, and there is an annoying bug with trying to configure the ethernet manually using the 'tray icon' (it won't ask for a password, and the ethernet can't be configured without a password) although, it seems like that icon is mysteriously gone today (there were some 27 updates today) plasmoids are really cool, they let you put useful widgets anywhere on the desktop, on the system bar, etc. but there aren't very many plasmoids right now.

Re:kubuntu? (1)

marco.antonio.costa (937534) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512935)

plasmoids are really cool

Man I totally agree. Incinerate and Hypnotize Big Daddy are my favorites, what's yours? :)

Re:kubuntu? (2, Informative)

Artifakt (700173) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513073)

I'm running in Kubuntu 8.04 - I just added what KDE4 files I could using adept literally yesterday, and rebooted to it to try it out, then went back to 3.5.
Biggest issues I saw:
1. When you say there aren't many plasmoids yet, its an understatement. A lot of the useful desktop applets, i.e. local weather, haven't been added yet. There's just about nothing in the way of marginally useful but neat applets such as moon phase converted to plasmoids. You could use a third party applet program until more stuff gets integrated in KDE, but you can do that with 3.5, and there's already at least 2 good ones to choose from.
2. Dual desktop support is limited - I couldn't extend the taskbar across both monitors. Having more applets/plasmoids might drive this feature, and having more space available in the taskbar might drive the plasmoids feature. (Although as I understand it, the real point of plasmoids is to be able to put these tiny programs anywhere and not just in the bar, so maybe not). Not having either just yet makes me think it might be quite some time before there's progress.
3. A lot of the fine tweaks are disabled. If you like being able to do things such as independently set the width of your taskbar hiding buttons and whether there is one at each end of the bar or not, again you'll have to wait and hope somebody gets to that, or bone up on your coding. I don't see all of the fine tweaks making it into the next 6 monthly release, or even a year out.

Total system freezes, for one (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25512593)

along with a broken liveCD which can't resize the NTFS partition to make room for the install because the liveCD requires the NTFS partition to be mounted.
 
Then, after you finally use a third-party tool to make room, your boot sector will still be all fucked up from the garbage the LiveCD left on your drive.

Re:Total system freezes, for one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25512651)

Sounds like you've found a bug. Did you report it? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/

Re:Total system freezes, for one (1)

F1re (249002) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512899)

No point. I have posted about 5 bugs and nothing gets fixed.

Re:Total system freezes, for one (1)

jadedoto (1242580) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512677)

That doesn't make sense... To resize a partition it needs to be unmounted... Are you sure you're doing it right?

I think it was a troll for the moderators. (5, Insightful)

khasim (1285) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512715)

#1. As you mentioned, you need to unmount a partition to modify it.

#2. "...the garbage the LiveCD left on your drive."
But the LiveCD does not leave anything on your drive.

#3. "...because the liveCD requires the NTFS partition to be mounted..."
But the LiveCD does not require that any partitions be mounted.

I think that it was just a troll and one of the moderators did not know any better and mod'ed it up.

Re:I think it was a troll for the moderators. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25512847)

It is not a troll. All of you please Re-read the damn post. The install/live CD WILL NOT unmount the NTFS partition because, for some reason, the install NEEDS IT TO RUN. This is because the install CD boots into liveCD mode and starts the install from there, as opposed to just starting the install(a la Windows installs).

Re:I think it was a troll for the moderators. (1)

mackyrae (999347) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513057)

Bullshit. Neither Ubiquity (the actual installation application) nor the live cd need the NTFS drive to run.

LiveCD does not leave anything.... (1)

snikulin (889460) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513095)

Why, it does!
I like my systems text-only, thank you very much. All Linux Live CDs known to me insist on installing all that clickity-click crap. Then I have to spend hours removing all traces of X11 and such.

Re:Total system freezes, for one (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512741)

If I've understood it correctly (I didn't use that option) it'll mount the file system, move the data on the filesystem together, shrink the filesystem, unmount the filesystem then shrink the partition. You can't just go chopping off a part of a partition, everything would break.

Re:Total system freezes, for one (1)

rugatero (1292060) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512707)

Personally, I've never liked installing from a liveCD. Not sure why - maybe I somehow feel that it's more 'complete' - but I've always preferred a dedicated installer disc.

print me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25512617)

print me

http://www.maximumpc.com/print/4018

PowerPC Ubuntu Help (2, Interesting)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512635)

We can also expect the PowerPC distro to fall further behind, unless the outside community helps the ubuntu-cell project [ubuntu.com] , which has taken over from the main Ubuntu project (run by Canonical,Inc) in maintaining that architecture's distro. Which means not just PS3 Ubuntu, but also PPC ubuntu on other platforms, including rack servers and workstations, and embedded PPCs that might use a stripped-down downstream distro (but benefit from Ubuntu's APT repos), or any other Cell machines, from workstations to supercomputers.

If you've got a PPC machine, please try installing the current ubuntu-cell snapshot, as the project explains. At the very least you can file bug reports. If you can, you can patch some bugs. That's why the source is open, after all. And what the community is really for: not just getting free SW, but giving something back so everyone can get some free SW, including you.

Re:PowerPC Ubuntu Help (4, Informative)

JackieBrown (987087) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512905)

Not be be a fanboy, but you can use Debian for a PPC supported distro.

Not true- quit spreading rumors (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25512987)

PowerPC releases from Ubuntu are continuing as normal. Get the latest here:

http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily-live/current/ [ubuntu.com]

True: Get a Clue (0, Flamebait)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513071)

As I said, the Cell arch port is a community supported port [ubuntu.com] of Ubuntu, not an officially supported one from Canonical:

We need developers! It's very early days for this community supported port and we need all the hands we can get to physically make the port stable and current.

The community is a real one that develops the port available from the ubuntu.com website. But it's community supported, not by the Canonical team, and they need developers. Just like I said.

So, Anonymous FUD Coward, take back your attempt to monkeywrench this community effort and scare off needed developers. You're exactly the opposite of what FOSS projects need.

Re:PowerPC Ubuntu Help (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513091)

Here [ubuntu.com]

Ubuntu is for niggers (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25512647)

That's why the default background is goatse [goatse.cz] .

I love the antivirus tag, so funny! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25512659)

Like linux doesn't have a bunch of rootkits out there. But even better, because of the attitude that linux doesn't require AV, you'll almost never realize you've been rooted until all your data is stolen and months later you realize you spent 20k dollars in Bulgaria...

Re:I love the antivirus tag, so funny! (4, Insightful)

LingNoi (1066278) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512833)

Unless there is a rootkit in an ubuntu or debian package you're not making a lot of sense.

Even if there were you got the name and email address of the people who made the package and also the people who were responsible for checking the package.

You can even take that package and compare it to the original upstream version using diff.

You are just talking bullshit. Hence why you're probably posting anonymous, because you know you're talking nonsense.

Re:I love the antivirus tag, so funny! (1)

Goaway (82658) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513101)

Because nobody ever broke into a Linux machine over the net. Especially not because Debian left security holes big enough to drive a truck through open for years.

Re:I love the antivirus tag, so funny! (1)

kesuki (321456) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512917)

there are rootkit detectors, like http://www.chkrootkit.org/ [chkrootkit.org] which is in the synaptic's database, but not the adept one, because the adept installer is still beta quality. at least syanptic is in the adept db because it would be a pain to get software in linux if i had to use adept from kde4... *cough* i was forced to go kubuntu 6.10 beta by the 8.04.1 patch that hosed my x.org config.

as far as credit card theft goes, there are some major issues now, because for 2 some years, 'debian' and thus ubuntu, had a nasty flaw in the 'secure' connection software, so bad they made a wireshark plug in that lets you decrypt secure transmission to any affected debian/ubuntu system. the flaw is patched in debian an ubuntu, but there are still could be compromised servers running on the net. especially if a server wasn't hardened but was feature frozen based on the effected versions. if the company that had the servers set up as a one time deal, they might not even know they're affected.

Re:I love the antivirus tag, so funny! (1)

kesuki (321456) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513053)

whoops, meant '8.10' not 6.10 sigh.

Been usin' (1)

jadedoto (1242580) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512663)

I've been running Intrepid for a while... There are some things (such as the lack of a patch for ASUS laptops with >3GB RAM + NVIDIA cards) I'm missing... But otherwise, the Darkroom theme is pretty nice (I actually ditched my custom theme for it), and I love the new Network Manager. I think it's a nice step forward. Plugdev seems to be a little buggy, as the Anonymous Coward stated, but that's not necessarily an Ubuntu problem (nor is that patch in the kernel...). But Intrepid is a nice release already.

What about Kubuntu 8.10? (4, Informative)

jdb2 (800046) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512667)

I recently upgraded my Kubuntu 8.04 install to 8.10 and although there are many new features, specifically the main one being KDE 4.1.x, I experienced constant segfaults, lock-ups, and crashes, mostly associated in some way with KDE4 . Also, there were the "little" bugs , a multitude of minor but very annoying UI glitches. So, I went back to my old 8.04 install. I don't see how they could have managed to fix all the above problems in just a few weeks.

I'm sticking to 8.04 until I hear otherwise.

jdb2

Re:What about Kubuntu 8.10? (1)

jdb2 (800046) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512797)

For the grammar Nazi's ;) : s/are/were/ ; s/bugs ,/bugs :/

jdb2

Re:What about Kubuntu 8.10? (1)

kesuki (321456) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512821)

weird, i've only had one application crash on kubuntu 8.10 beta, then again i only installed it on wednesday.

and there are tons of updates every day, something like 30 or so a day minimum. if you've got systems that are crashing, you should at least find a scratch drive, and report all the bugs you can find. they can't make it better if people aren't reporting bugs.

Windows apps (0, Troll)

zymano (581466) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512703)

Should include Wine. People want their games and some apps to work on linux.

I am more a small kernel fan like minix. Linix kenel is way too huge.

What I noted about upgrading from 8.04 to 8.10 (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25512779)

It broke my sound settings and bluetooth settings. Some Python libraries started to fight and it broke pgdesigner/gambas.

Upgrading Ubuntu is far from as safe as upgrading with a windows service pack.

The new wallpaper (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25512837)

makes it look like someone has headbutted their monitor.

The one Ubuntu feature I want most: (5, Interesting)

Cordath (581672) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512841)

Proper Bluray media support.

I don't care if I have to pay for it. I just want to be able to play all Bluray media, including stuff with only HD audio codecs that are currently unsupported in Linux.

Now, I know some of you think this is unnecessary fluff. However, if Linux wants to compete with Windows it has to tackle the crucial stumbling blocks that force people to continue using Windows. Linux has lots of great home theater software and many aspirations towards filling that niche, but they amount to a hill of beans without support for all HD media.

Bluray == laserdisk. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25512923)

Just download 720p / 1080p divx like the rest of the universe.

Re:The one Ubuntu feature I want most: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25512945)

I don't care if I have to pay for it.

Heretic!

Re:The one Ubuntu feature I want most: (3, Insightful)

Mascot (120795) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512979)

I see a few stumbling blocks between Blu-ray and Linux being licensed to play it.

1. The distro would likely have to rewrite most of the driver architecture to support the required media path protection.

2. It would almost certainly have to go closed source.

Somehow I don't see that happening.

Personally, I'm not touching Blu-ray with a ten foot pole due to the DRM. DVDs were bad enough, but at least they would never tell me "sorry, I don't like your TV so I won't let you watch me". Once region free DVD players became the norm, I was ok with spending money on them. As for Blu-ray.. Until they are willing to sell me a product I feel comfortable buying, I'll enjoy HD content via mkv on my Tvix.

Re:The one Ubuntu feature I want most: (2, Interesting)

Kjella (173770) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513051)

It's a problem, but I'm not sure it's a technical one. Even though AACS is trivially broken by AnyDVD, Cyberlink probably doesn't get a HD license for Linux because of piracy BS. They do sell a regular DVD player in the Ubuntu Store if you didn't know. On the open source side there's some progress going on, but it's slow work and to be honest I don't think there are that many Linux PCs with a Blu-Ray drive. But there are interesting developments going on, hardware acceleration is coming soon [phoronix.com] to ATI cards. If we want to talk multimedia, I'd much rather get rid of flash.

Re:The one Ubuntu feature I want most: (0)

/dev/trash (182850) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513139)

you said Ubuntu and then went into a rant about Linux. Troll much?

Re:The one Ubuntu feature I want most: (4, Interesting)

Directrix1 (157787) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513193)

Does VLC not support this yet?

ubuntu release coincides with election. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25512859)

to get you all in the mood for nigger. because that's what it's going to be for the next four years. nigger. you'll be arrested for a hate crime if you question his administrations. labeled a racist you'll lose all your rights. your women will be gang raped by niggers as punishment for your crimes. it's the african way.

hopefully 3d acceleration on the 945gm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25512863)

because it was seriously fucked in hardy with the ubuntu forums confirming it.

yea, i ended up going back to XP.

Re:hopefully 3d acceleration on the 945gm (1)

mackyrae (999347) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513089)

Uh, what? 3D has almost always worked fine on 945GM. Intel started making 945GMs with a different PCI ID early this year, and those didn't have 3D in Hardy until I think June, maybe July, but a simple one-liner update fixed that.

Ekiga isnt new (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25512907)

Incorrect information up there, they seem to have not noticed Ekiga has been included for a long time!

New wallpaper (1)

guyminuslife (1349809) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512919)

Is it just me, or does the new Ubuntu wallpaper look like a skull?

Disclaimer: I give really messed up answers on Rorschach tests.

Re:New wallpaper (1)

mackyrae (999347) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512983)

I thought it was a splotch at first, but it's the ibex's head and horns

Re:New wallpaper (1)

L0stm4n (322418) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513105)

I thought it looked like a coffee stain at first. Then I realized it was a stylized ibex

Very little apparently (5, Informative)

dlevitan (132062) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512959)

I'm using Kubuntu 8.04 right now. The article claims "The last six months of development have brought tons of new functionality that make running Linux easier for all users". I hardly see anything awe-inspiring. Here's my perspective as a current KDE user:

1. GNOME: I see nothing revolutionary or even exciting here. Ekiga is their picture for this. That's definitely a niche app. Better bluetooth support and resolution controls are good I guess. I've had the on KDE for a few years now I believe.

2. X.org: Hotplugging mice/keyboards "works now"? Well, it works now for me with 8.04. They must've had to dig deep to find something like that. So does resolution switching and xrandr support for multiple displays (which is a huge deal, but has already been around for a year).

3. New kernel: always good for my laptop which typically get a few more things running more smoothly with each kernel release

4. Network manager: Anyway who has a 3G connection probably has a laptop. And laptop's need network profile. I need one for work and one for my apartment. Ubuntu doesn't support these and this article doesn't mention anything new. Everything listed is minor improvements. Personally, I have to use wicd, which is decent, but isn't quite as well integrated as networkmanager.

5. Guest account: I see no point for this. Either you trust the person or you don't. And you can create your own guest account if you really want to and switch to it. At least I can do that from KDE. I suppose one click is nicer than click, type in guest/guest, and log in. So maybe a worthwhile feature, though hardly earth-shattering

6. Flash video: Eh, what was stopping things from working before? I assume this just means version 10 is supported. Which is great, but 64 bit support is still lacking so I'll still have problems with it. No, not an ubuntu problem, but I can complain anyway.

7. Secret hidden folders: Just use truecrypt. This doesn't even encrypt your home directory based on the article. And you need to go to the terminal to set it up?

8. Config-less x.org: Now this is nice. Hopefully it'll work well. I haven't had to use an xorg config file for a few years now beyond the default, though to support multiple monitors I've had to include a virtual screen line. Hopefully this will fix that problem.

Personally, I'm more intereted in Kubuntu dropping KDE3 in 8.10. KDE4 can be set up well, but it certainly doesn't support everything that's in KDE3 and still isn't quite as smooth (though I actually like it a lot).

Re:Very little apparently (2, Interesting)

Chlorus (1146335) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513065)

2. X.org: Hotplugging mice/keyboards "works now"?

What's truly sad is that Windows 98 had that feature, and it took the Xorg people so long to implement it. Its XFree86 all over again.

Re:Very little apparently (1)

MenTaLguY (5483) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513129)

It's XFree86 still. XFree86 left the codebase and architecture in such a mess that it's taking this long for Xorg to get this stuff straightened out in the codebase they inherited.

Re:Very little apparently (1)

mackyrae (999347) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513175)

TrueCrypt makes an encrypted OS, though, doesn't it? eCryptFS lets you just have one encrypted directory. The way it's being used is that people can put their ~/.evolution as a symlink to one inside ~/Private/ so most things aren't encrypted (thereby using less resources) while the necessary things are. Hardy had config-free X too. Don't know what you mean about network profile. NM does 3G now though. Supposedly it works (but I don't have the hardware to test). The guest account is generated each time it is called with a temporary drive, so the current guest can't see what the last guest did, and so on. There's also no password, and it keeps you from having an account sitting around. It's not a good idea to have a guest account sitting there, because usually the password sucks (guest, password, password01) more than "real" passwords, and so it becomes an easy entry point. Once an intruder is through that door, they just need local privilege escalation--something much easier to achieve than getting into the computer when a strong password is used for every user.

Eclipse (5, Interesting)

epine (68316) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512981)

I wish Ubuntu would get their act together on Eclipse.

From http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/1265/ [ubuntu.com]

msarro wrote on the 25 Mar 08 at 01:50

This has almost 550 vote ups, more than just about anything else on this place, and yet according to launchpad this isn't even supposed to make the hardy release? C'mon guys, 3.3 is a year old, and 3.4 will be in testing shortly after hardy. Some of us like to have a scripted install so we can get ubuntu installed, run our shell script, come back an hour or two later and have everything installed. Yes, it can be downloaded and run from a folder, but we can do that with everything. So if that's the retort people are going to keep kicking back at us why are we even bothering to include apt?

My attempt to run Ganymede from a folder was unsuccessful. Maybe it was the AMD64 thing, I never figured it out, and I don't want to.

Ibex appears to be stuck at 3.2.2. That's Callisto from July 2006. If Jaunty remains stuck at 3.2 in April 2009, I'll begin to seriously wonder about things. Does July 2002 to June 2005 ring any bells with Ubuntu management?

I've read other threads which suggest that Fedora enjoys a small monopoly on the developers who are proficient at packaging Java applications.

[[Had some problems posting from a public terminal. Sorry if my repost ends up becoming a dup.]]

No Joystick Support (1)

Chlorus (1146335) | more than 5 years ago | (#25512991)

8.10 won't support joysticks, because of yet another bug in Xorg. http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=49721 [phoronix.com] But hey, we don't need that feature! We should just buy consoles anyways, because PCs aren't for gaming! Right? Guys?

No Exchange 2007/MAPI Connector (1)

devman (1163205) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513037)

While only tangentially related to Ubuntu. I've been following the OpenChange project and there work developing a MAPI plugin for Evolution. Unfortunately it has been pushed back to the GNOME 2.26 release which we will probably not see until Ubuntu 9.04.

This makes me a sad panda as one of the only things in the way of moving my workstation over to Linux is exchange access.

The article is... not so great (2, Interesting)

jonaskoelker (922170) | more than 5 years ago | (#25513191)

X.Org 7.4 [...]. Hotplugging support for input devices actually works now, so you can plug in mice and tablets and use them without having to reboot.

Having to reboot? Wouldn't that be a kernel issue and not an X.org issue? I can imagine why you'd have to restart the X server, but the kernel? Haven't the kernel had hotplugging support with hotplug or udev for a few years now?

Improvements to X.Org also allow for the easier to manage display control panel, which allows users to adjust resolutions and screen placement for single and multiple monitor displays easily.

This is next to this image: http://www.maximumpc.com/files/u7/resolution.jpg [maximumpc.com] . Who wants to bet that the control panel is part of GNOME, not X.org?

The new Network Manager is a great improvement over the previous release. It allows your Ubuntu machine to connect to the network before a user logs in.

Still no easy bonding? I submitted a request for that [/me feels indignant].

A bit seriously though: bonding rocks. Wanna pick up your laptop and not break the sshfs connection to your file server? Sure. Wanna have bandwidth that doesn't suck while you're tethered down by the ethernet cable? You can have that too.

But not with NetworkManager unless you hack some of its dispatcher scripts. Only for the techies.

Better Support for Web Video and Audio
Ubuntu now supports the high-quality setting in YouTube! We shall celebrate by watching videos of other people's animals at a better quality level. Additionally, now Ubuntu users can view the programming the BBC puts online in Totem. That's right, you can enjoy fine shows like Scotland Outdoors and The Archers from your Linux PC.

Cool! Uhh... what was updated again? Firefox? Flash? GStreamer? Totem? firefox-gstreamer-totemish-flv-plugin?

Type ecryptfs-setup-private in the Terminal, and you can hide and encrypt a folder in your Home directory. [...] This folder gives a secure location that you can use to store sensitive files, without paying the performance penalty that full-disk encryption incurs.

I wouldn't trust that. Applications may not know to keep data secret beyond umask, and so will store stuff in /tmp. Or your secret data will be put on the non-encrypted swap partition. And in my experience, full-disk encryption works fine, very little is noticable; a few .5s-delays when saving in emacs.

Config-less X.Org

Awesome!!1!

No seriously, I really think it is. Not much use to me now, but it'll probably be in the future.

[I'm still going to have an xorg.conf because it's a great place to cast spells that makes my trackball kick ass. EmulateWheel springs to mind, which is really a must with a Logitech Marble Mouse that has scroll _buttons_ instead of a wheel; no repeated scrolling otherwise, but with EmulateWheel I have it, and I have horizontal scrolling. Check out Battle for Wesnoth with horizontal scrolling, I wrote that :)]

Not the greatest written article. But I look forward to upgrading. Last time I did that, though, something broke. My plan is to pick a new package each day [or maybe every eight hours or so] and upgrade just that one. Then, when something breaks, I can limit it to one package plus dependencies, instead of all $BIGNUM packages.

Has it been half a year already? :)

-- Jonas K

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