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Second Penny Arcade Game Due Out This Week

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the long-titles dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 68

Hothead Games has announced that the second episode of the Penny Arcade: On the Rain-slick Precipice of Darkness series is coming out this Wednesday, and they've released a trailer showing off some of the gameplay. ACG has an interview with Hothead's Joel DeYoung discussing the series and explaining some of the decision-making that went into its development. The game will launch for Linux, Mac, PC, and Xbox Live, with a PS3 version coming later. Feedback from players of the first game in the series inspired a $5 decrease in price this time around.

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FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25522251)

Eat my asshole

Re:FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25522267)

Nutrition Info? I'm on a diet.

Re:FP (0, Offtopic)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 5 years ago | (#25522465)

Menudo [wikipedia.org] - 180 Calories per cup.
Pho [wikipedia.org] - 698 Calories per every 784 grams

Re:FP (0, Offtopic)

retchdog (1319261) | more than 5 years ago | (#25523139)

I can't speak for menudo, but if eating pho is wrong, I don't want to be right!

(Also, you forget andouillette [mcmuffin.co.uk], the sausage not only wrapped in, but made completely from, intestine.)

Re:FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25523645)

Menudo's alright. I'll have to try pho. Maybe we could mix both to make the ultimate asshole dinner. =D

Re:FP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25522421)

Sorry I'm too busy eating Obamas turds.

Chris Matthews, is that you? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25522949)

Or perhaps Kieth Olberman? Hey Kieth, how does it feel to lose your spot to that shrill twat Maddow?

Re:Chris Matthews, is that you? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25524397)

Unlike Olbermann, Maddow is intelligent, funny, and not a pompous loudmouth. Keith is the Bill O'Reilly of the left. Rachel is actually worth listening to, even if you disagree with her.

Re:FP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25525417)

10/10. Direct and to the point. The demand to eat out your asshole invokes a caste system where you are on top and everyone else is a rim jobbing loser.

DRM (0, Troll)

GrimLordJesus (1394523) | more than 5 years ago | (#25522361)

Will it be DRM-free? I'll lurk on tehpiratebay for a week or so...

Re:DRM (3, Funny)

cjfs (1253208) | more than 5 years ago | (#25522515)

That sentence almost makes it sound like you'd pirate if it didn't contain drm. If so, you're doing it wrong.

Re:DRM (4, Insightful)

XaXXon (202882) | more than 5 years ago | (#25522519)

if it's DRM-free, you'd better fucking BUY it to support people that make proper PC games.

Re:DRM (-1, Offtopic)

GrimLordJesus (1394523) | more than 5 years ago | (#25522729)

Relax XaXXon you're virtual aggression is getting the better of you. TO be honest, I am more of an http://xkcd.com/ [xkcd.com] man. Afterall, it is teh funz0rs..

An RPG of romance, sarcasm, math, and language in stick figuration would be the best thing evar. And would run most definitely on my 1133MHz Pentium III compaq notebook...

Re:Not DRM related (3, Interesting)

Firrenzi (229219) | more than 5 years ago | (#25524087)

Actually this is one of the few games I have bought. I felt that after years of producing comics that gave me a good laugh ( though I wish fruit fucker and the divx player would make appearances again), i felt not just a relationship with the authors; and emotional investment if you will, in the characters that are portrayed through Penny Arcade. Playing the game was like reliving the comics

Further to that, the price of the game wasn't too bad either.

Re:DRM (5, Informative)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 5 years ago | (#25522605)

I would imagine it would follow the last release, but I'm not sure anyone really knows.

The last release was available in two forms, that I know of:

  - Xbox Live Arcade. The strictest DRM possible (they lock down your entire system and pretend it's an appliance (console) rather than a computer), but it generally works. It's not like you'll be running into "You're not allowed to have this program installed" bullshit with this.

  - Greenhouse, their own digital distribution system. Light DRM, somewhat less than Windows XP -- when first installed, or when there's a significant hardware change, it phones home. Unlike XP, this "phoning home" doesn't force you to call someone in India and insist that it's the same computer -- you can install it as many times as you like. But they do reserve the right to notice if you're installing it on a few thousand of your best friends' systems, and disable your key in that event.

So no, not DRM-free, but what I would call an acceptable level of DRM. For example, it's not exactly going to refuse to run because Daemontools is installed.

Re:DRM (2, Insightful)

sleeponthemic (1253494) | more than 5 years ago | (#25522811)

I don't see light DRM as being acceptable if it is just going to be continuously broken days after it comes out. I'd be fine with DRM IF it remains uncrackable (and obviously, not restrictive). As soon as it is cracked, only the paying customers are being inconvenienced.

Re:DRM (3, Insightful)

Aereus (1042228) | more than 5 years ago | (#25522983)

You act as if the DRM companies intentionally make it crackable. The fact is that any DRM a company makes is cracked.

This DRM sounds innocuous -- it just tracks how many times you install your key in case you try giving it to 30 of your friends or something. I would call that not restrictive...

Re:DRM (4, Insightful)

sleeponthemic (1253494) | more than 5 years ago | (#25523095)

You act as if the DRM companies intentionally make it crackable.

Not really, I act as if DRM companies knowingly provide solutions to publishers that are essentially nothing more than than exercises in "investor/board member reassurance" (Rather than truly effective pieces of DRM). Waste of investor money and perpetuation of the time honoured, "board amazement" principle.

I'm not against DRM. I'm against incompetence and time-wasting. Too much of current DRM is nothing more than snakeoil for publishers.

Re:DRM (2, Insightful)

nine-times (778537) | more than 5 years ago | (#25523253)

I'm not against DRM. I'm against incompetence and time-wasting. Too much of current DRM is nothing more than snakeoil for publishers.

But all DRM is going to be crackable. The purpose of DRM is (a) to prevent casual copying and/or (b) to encourage legitimate users to buy multiple copies. In the best case, DRM is unobtrusive enough in operation and difficult enough to crack that people won't really bother to find a way to crack the DRM.

Uncrackable DRM is a fantasy, but if the "snakeoil" successfully prevents casual copying, it's about as effective as DRM is going to get.

Re:DRM (3, Insightful)

complete loony (663508) | more than 5 years ago | (#25523263)

DRM is an attempt to hand out usable copies of a binary file to paying customers, while trying to prevent those customers make further usable copies. This is the equivalent of trying to make water not wet.

So let me take your position and follow it to its logical conclusion; All DRM is snakeoil.

Re:DRM (1)

Chaos Incarnate (772793) | more than 5 years ago | (#25525647)

In this case, from what I understand, the publisher developed the DRM themselves. So it's not snakeoil—or at least, not meant to be.

Re:DRM (4, Insightful)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 5 years ago | (#25523115)

I don't see light DRM as being acceptable if it is just going to be continuously broken days after it comes out. I'd be fine with DRM IF it remains uncrackable...

Is that really relevant, though?

I have a limit to what I will tolerate, as a customer. Whether or not it's effective is between the developer and the pirates.

But so far, I've had to enter a CD key exactly once -- I think it was even copied and pasted. I'm sorry, but the moral outrage simply isn't worth it when that's all that's at stake.

Re:DRM (2, Interesting)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 5 years ago | (#25523807)

I don't see light DRM as being acceptable if it is just going to be continuously broken days after it comes out. I'd be fine with DRM IF it remains uncrackable (and obviously, not restrictive).

This position is isomorphic to the position that all DRM is unacceptable.

Re:DRM (2, Informative)

Bios_Hakr (68586) | more than 5 years ago | (#25523329)

It was also available on Steam. Other than the Steam platform, no other DRM was included.

Re:DRM (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 5 years ago | (#25523471)

I vaguely remembered Steam, and I Googled for it, but all I found were references to the Penny Arcade strips themselves being available on Steam, which seems like a retarded idea. (Why would you want them via Steam, rather than via Firefox?)

I'll take your word for it. Irrelevant to me, as I bought it for Linux.

Re:DRM (2, Informative)

philspear (1142299) | more than 5 years ago | (#25523633)

Just to point out that the makers of this game, pennyarcade and whoever else, the DRM of XBLA was beyond their control. They never said "let's put DRM into the XBLA version." My impression is that microsoft puts it automatically on everything. I would wager that even the stuff that is free is technically locked to one console.

But you have to be clear that the game shouldn't be dinged points because it has XBLA "DRM." It's not a choice in that case.

Re:DRM (2, Informative)

fyrewulff (702920) | more than 5 years ago | (#25525397)

I would wager that even the stuff that is free is technically locked to one console.

Correct. Everything you download to a 360, free or not, is locked to your console and gamertag. I imagine this makes it harder since you can't compare a DRM'd file with an unDRM'd file.

Re:DRM (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 5 years ago | (#25550123)

They never said "let's put DRM into the XBLA version."

They did, however, say "let's put out an XBLA version."

But you have to be clear that the game shouldn't be dinged points because it has XBLA "DRM." It's not a choice in that case.

Again: They could have simply boycotted that whole platform.

As it is, it's like any other dev shop working for any other major label. It seems likely the developers would read Slashdot, and, being developers, would also understand the inherent flaws in any attempt at DRM. But at the end of the day, the label is writing your check, so they call the shots.

Re:DRM (1)

philspear (1142299) | more than 5 years ago | (#25551899)

Again: They could have simply boycotted that whole platform.

Oh please. They were more interested in making a game than a political stand. Penny arcade has always had a healthy perspective on DRM, that there are more important things out there if it's not actually a problem. XBLA DRM is not draconian.

Re:DRM (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 5 years ago | (#25563973)

Try reading my entire post, next time... If they truly were "more interested in making a game", why not go with one of the major labels? Greenhouse is a political stand.

And this is a laugh:

XBLA DRM is not draconian.

The Xbox itself has some pretty draconian DRM. To put this in perspective:

The DRM in Bioshock, and in Spore, wouldn't let you run a specific list of programs, such as Daemon Tools. That's a blacklist.

The Xbox won't let you run anything but a specific list of (signed) programs. That's a whitelist.

So yes, I'd call a whitelist more draconian than a blacklist, any day of the week.

Also: Read my sig, and read my post again. Nowhere have I said they should have boycotted the whole platform. Only that they could have. The fact that they didn't -- that they went out of their way to port it -- is a statement that they're actually OK with XBLA DRM.

Re:DRM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25523671)

It was also available on Steam and Direct2Drive. With Steam at least you can install it on any and as many computers as you damn well please, and no amount of hardware changes are going to screw you over.

Re:DRM (2, Interesting)

MaWeiTao (908546) | more than 5 years ago | (#25523429)

If you don't like DRM you shouldn't touch the game, period. That sends a stronger message than acquiring the game illegally. Otherwise you're just justifying to these companies the need for DRM.

And to make things worse, you make it seem like you'll download the game illegally even if the game has no DRM.

Re:DRM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25525277)

"If you don't like DRM you shouldn't touch the game, period. That sends a stronger message than acquiring the game illegally."

And there I was, thinking informing the developers why you didn't buy the game would inform them better than anything.

Re:DRM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25533103)

While I'm not advocating piracy I think it's been sufficiently proven that not buying the game while refusing to download has no real impact on the publishers. Someone once claimed on /. that boycotts only work on widely purchased products, like Coke, frozen vegetables, or prepackaged cookies (there's probably some non-food examples to be found as well). Supposedly this was an understood economics principal. I'm too lazy to look it up, but that seems sound as an idea. What I do know is that many people do refuse to buy games like Bioshock and Half Life 2 and it hasn't changed anything for the better, despite most of us not having pirated those games either.

It always amazes me (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25523381)

They actually made a good game that doesn't get in your way, is available on all the major platforms, actually includes humour and avoids ultramacho bullshit stereotypes except in high caricature, and costs as much as a night at the movies (with popcorn). What the fuck do people need in order to satisfy them? Let me stop you before you answer that: Nobody's going to include a free blowjob in the box.

This is about as good as it gets, you cunts. Get over your holy wars and buy the game, because it's the worst thing except for basically everything else that's going to be released this year.

Re:It always amazes me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25523535)

Hey, fuck you!

I'm not going to buy the game.

Don't like it? Tough crap.

Re:It always amazes me (1)

Goldberg's Pants (139800) | more than 5 years ago | (#25523681)

So you're saying we should all but the game, even if we have no interest? I mean seriously, if I was actually fan of Penny Arcade, I might have, but I'm not, and have MORE than enough games sitting here unplayed that I really don't need to add yet another one to the fray.

Re:It always amazes me (0, Flamebait)

liquiddark (719647) | more than 5 years ago | (#25524373)

No. I'm saying Stop Your Fucking Bitching You Wretches. Even if you don't buy the game, admit that it's a closer effort than the vast majority, and it happens to be a bankable, visible property to boot. Be thankful for once in your life.

Re:It always amazes me (2, Insightful)

FornaxChemica (968594) | more than 5 years ago | (#25524409)

Yeah, I don't understand either why there has to be a news item on Slashdot every time they release a game. Is there really a consensus about Penny Arcade being so great? I guess it's a matter of opinion but their famous web comic is so unfunny to me I'm trying hard to imagine someone laughing at it and at what point of the story that could happen.

Re:It always amazes me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25524813)

Yeah, I don't understand either why there has to be a news item on Slashdot every time they release a game.

Yeah, you're right, maybe we should stop posting articles every time Linus farts, or every time RMS speaks out against something. Because, you know, those articles don't interest me very much. Oh wait, we can actually ignore those articles we're not interested in, and simply not choose to nag about them.

Is there really a consensus about Penny Arcade being so great? I guess it's a matter of opinion

Yes, it's a matter of opinion. It's like how some people like Dilbert, and yet others don't. Or chocolate ice cream, vanilla ice cream, and even garlic-pistachio-squid flavoured ice cream.

their famous web comic is so unfunny to me I'm trying hard to imagine someone laughing at it

It's like ctrl-alt-del [ctrlaltdel-online.com] (the webcomic, not the three-fingered salute). I don't know when it's supposed to be funny, and I dread the kind of people laughing at it. For crying out loud, he drew a comic about a miscarriage (haha, dead babies). Yet somehow there seem to be people that religiously follow that comic, and I'm sure if Buckley ever made a game (and I pray that he doesn't, see the dead babies remark) it would sell to those people.

As for your taste... Well, you just have to suffer ours, just like we have to suffer yours, and his [escapistmagazine.com].

Re:It always amazes me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25527615)

For crying out loud, he drew a comic about a miscarriage (haha, dead babies).

<sarcasm>
Yeah, it's like M*A*S*H - it's supposed to be a comedy, but a bunch of episodes had people dying! How is that supposed to be funny? And to top it off - they didn't even include the laugh track! Or that "Friends" show - Ross and Rachel broke up, and it was soooo unfunny I couldn't believe it!
</sarcasm>

To be a little more blunt, what specific psychological condition do you have that you believe that strip was intended to be funny?

Re:It always amazes me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25529109)

To be a little more blunt, what specific psychological condition do you have that you believe that strip was intended to be funny?

It's not intended to be funny, it's attention-whoring at best, and tasteless at that. Enjoy your shitty comic.

You might want to ease up on the sarcasm tags, most people recognize it on sight, but you seem to be incapable of that.

Re:It always amazes me (-1, Troll)

jalefkowit (101585) | more than 5 years ago | (#25525009)

Hey, there are people out there who find XKCD funny. So clearly there's an audience out there for any damn thing.

Re:It always amazes me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25523789)

HAHAHAHA.

I'm sure it's a fine game if you like Penny Arcade, perhaps even if you don't, but please spare me your "game of the year" bullshit.

Re:It always amazes me (3, Funny)

discord5 (798235) | more than 5 years ago | (#25524669)

Nobody's going to include a free blowjob in the box.

Ah, goddamnit. Ripped off again.

DRM (4, Insightful)

nEoN nOoDlE (27594) | more than 5 years ago | (#25524279)

What is with EVERY SINGLE THREAD about video games turning into anti-DRM rants. Sorry, DRM is today's copy protection. Copy protection has been in games since they put spin wheels and decoder cards into the game box. This will not be going away. Yes, some of you will refuse to buy games because of it, but you're not gamers. Playing the original Zork over 20 years ago doesn't qualify you as a gamer. CDs were their very own copy protection when they first came out since nobody had the patience to transfer 650 megs over their 9600 baud modem. Then came security keys, and then DVDs. Now it's DRM since people will gladly download 8GB games, and it will take a single night. Enough already. I came in here to read about the game and there isn't a single post about it.

Re:DRM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25524641)

I came in here to read about the game and there isn't a single post about it.

I'm glad your contribution deviates from that.
Ohwait...

Re:DRM (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25525491)

Yeah, what happened to the good ol' days when EVERY SINGLE THREAD about video games turned into a rant against JACK THOMPSON???

Re:DRM (-1, Flamebait)

vadim_t (324782) | more than 5 years ago | (#25525573)

Go away, shill.

If there's DRM, I don't buy it. The message finally got through to MP3 stores, so it will eventually reach gaming companies, no matter how much you or they insist it won't. If enough people get sick of it, it'll finally show up as a big red number on the balance sheet. I bought several copies of NWN 1 (for myself and friends) because it works on Linux and doesn't have DRM, but won't pay a cent for say, Spore.

Linux may not have many games, but it's sure nice. I've yet to see one with annoying restrictions. No stupid CD/DVD requirements. No hardware lockin. I can easily copy the game from one box to another without issues.

And no, being too big to easily copy is not a copy prevention method. That doesn't work for very long.

Re:DRM (2, Insightful)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 5 years ago | (#25525723)

Yes, some of you will refuse to buy games because of it, but you're not gamers

I am, in fact, a gamer, and I have refused to buy a game because of its DRM. How many hundreds of dollars per year do I need to spend on games before I pass your mystical threshold?

Enough already. I came in here to read about the game and there isn't a single post about it.

Because there's nothing to discuss. We've got a teaser video and a price drop; what's to discuss in this that hasn't already been said? Besides, people are talking about something that's important to them and important to video games as a whole. The issue of what DRM ships with the game is as or more pertinent than discussing the pricing structure.

If you hate it that much, maybe you should make a greasemonkey script to automatically hide posts that include the word "DRM".

It's not the same thing. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25526797)

Today's DRM is -not- the same thing.

spin wheels weren't installed on the sly and didn't leave their tendrils in my computer for all time, even after I'd uninstalled every game that used them.

decoder cards didn't cripple disk drives from time to time.

CD checking didn't stop working when some remote server went offline or my internet connection went out.

People are making a big deal out of this new DRM technology because it's -fundamentally different- now.

Happy that they listened to cystomer feedback (3, Insightful)

arikol (728226) | more than 5 years ago | (#25524297)

I'm just happy that they listened to cystomer feedback. We said $20 was a little steep for 4 episodes and they listened. Most said around $15 would be a fair price point and voila!
I enjoyed the first one and will buy this one.
As for the DRM, come on folks, the PC/Mac/Linux version gets installed pretty quickly. I can't even remember if I needed to input my license key except to download it. I can install it at home like I want and play. No worries. No activation through internet or other crap. No intrusive sending data to the base (Spore).
I think DRM is silly, but having some way of allowing paying customers to download the full version and letting non-paying customers download a demo version is acceptable so long as you don't try to push it further.

Again, thank for listening to feedback. Responding to it means that I will buy this one (in one or two weeks, when my exams are finished)

Re:Happy that they listened to cystomer feedback (1)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 5 years ago | (#25527767)

I'd say it's just smart. They couldn't know if they were going to have a successful game to start, and they had to give it a price bump to make some of their money back.

The drop reflects that the game was reasonably popular, and that their likelihood of making a modest profit meant that they could afford to drop the price and still make their money back.

Ooooh, this is really bad timing. (3, Interesting)

Sarusa (104047) | more than 5 years ago | (#25524407)

Well, I kind of liked the first game (it was worth my $20 at the time), but I'm goddamn drowning here in Fable II, Fallout 3, Saint's Row 2, a Dead Space I haven't even opened, the new Castlevania...

Just bad timing, guys. Your amusing writing but mediocre gameplay just can't compete with that. Maybe later?

Re:Ooooh, this is really bad timing. (3, Interesting)

MWoody (222806) | more than 5 years ago | (#25524811)

Not to mention the next installment in the Homestar Runner game coming out, er, today. And Little Big Planet. And Far Cry 2. And King's Bounty (which is remarkably awesome - it's like the Russians are the only ones who remember how to do good PC RPGs these days). And World of Goo. And the stuff at gog.com, crying "download me" directly into my subconscious. It'll be 2009 by the time I finish the stuff coming in the next week, and that doesn't take into account November's wave of gaming goodness.

Re:Ooooh, this is really bad timing. (1)

bukowski01 (901465) | more than 5 years ago | (#25532521)

mediocre gameplay?!?! The game was great, and the game play was more original than any of the titles you listed. I'm not sure how long you've been playing games, but from you post not long enough to find a good one.

As I said before ... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25524897)

I am not a Penny Arcade fan at all and I bought the first one merely for the native Linux support but it was fun as hell. Will buy the second ep for sure. It's about time they released it. I almost started feeling sorry for Mimes again.

I wonder if they tweaked the gameplay any? (1)

jandrese (485) | more than 5 years ago | (#25533631)

The first game was pretty fun, but the difficulty depended almost entirely on how good you were at hitting the spacebar at just the right moment to counter. Once you got good at that the game became way too easy. If you weren't, then your characters were going to be repeatedly maimed about 20' into the second stage. It was either get your block/counter timing down (and make the game way too easy) or die horribly. Items were for the most part a waste of time.

I'd like to see a re-balance in the second issue to make full blocks/countering harder (reduce the timing windows or don't give us the flash or randomize it a bit or something), but to also make it less necessary (not every enemy attack needs to do 3/4 of your HP worth in damage!).

Re:Ooooh, this is really bad timing. (1)

clint999 (1277046) | more than 5 years ago | (#25535637)

Yeah, I don't understand either why there has to be a news item on Slashdot every time they release a game. Is there really a consensus about Penny Arcade being so great? I guess it's a matter of opinion but their famous web comic is so unfunny to me I'm trying hard to imagine someone laughing at it and at what point of the story that could happen.
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