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Nintendo Already Anticipating Holiday Wii Shortages

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the demand-and-supply dept.

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As we approach the holiday season, Nintendo has already said that they don't expect to keep up with demand for the Wii console. In an interview with the LA Times, Nintendo president Reggie Fils-Aime said they're ramping up production by 33% already, with further increases planned. They're hoping to avoid the scarcity of Wii's that occurred last year, which cost them a great deal of money in potential sales. "We're now producing 2.4 million units a month worldwide. Last year, we made 1.6 million a month. So we've made a 33% increase. One of our competitors projects they will sell 10 million consoles worldwide this year. For us, that's three months of production. We're producing an unprecedented level of hardware to try to meet demand."

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In other news... (3, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537155)

...water is wet, the sky is blue, and Macs and PCs use the same hardware. i.e. There is nothing surprising here. The demand for the Wii has been mercilessly out of whack with what is possible (or at least practical) to manufacture, since day one. I know a lot of people thought the shortage was over when Wiis temporarily became available during the summer. (Note that I said "available", not "abundant".) The problem is that console sales always cycle during the summer. The best sales are obviously around Christmas, both before and after. (After for all the folks who couldn't get one during the Christmas season.) Being at the opposite end of the year, summer is obviously going to be the low-point for sales. Consumers are spending their money on vacations and outdoor fun rather than game consoles.

What I find far more interesting is the extreme vitriol [computeran...ogames.com] expressed by those who commented on the ComputerAndVideoGames.com story. It seems the more successful the Wii becomes, the more the hardcore gamers hate it for its success.

Re:In other news... (1)

denmarkw00t (892627) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537403)

Goddammit - you beat me to the punch - 14 comments in. Touche. I mean, the term "shortage" is no stranger to the Wii crowd, and X-mas is no stranger to selling things people love to buy.

!story by my count.

Re:In other news... (0, Troll)

theaveng (1243528) | more than 5 years ago | (#25539159)

Sony was able to meet the demand, and manufacture over 100 million PS2s during the previous generation. Likewise Nintendo was able to keep-up with demand for its Super Nintendo when it sold 50 million between 1991 and 1996.

I don't understand why Nintendo can not do the same with its Wii console. Could it be that Nintendo is purposely not expanding manufacturing lines, in order to create a deliberate shortage on the market? Hmmmm. I'm not sure why they'd want to do that, except possibly to inflate the retail price $50 above actual cost of manufacture.

(shrug)

I'll do the same thing I did last-gen. I'll buy whichever is the most-popular console when it hits $199. And I'll buy the Nintendo Wii if it's either $100 flat or $150 with a free game. (Last time I got a Cube for just $100 + a free Zelda NES/N64 Collection. Sweet deal.)

Re:In other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25537409)

Actually I'm kind of surprised they expect high demand. I mean, I've heard recently about some kind of money problems world wide. Nothing major, just stuff that might put us in a major recession and possibly a depression as all the consumers lose their jobs. I figure that might mess with sales for stuff intended strictly as entertainment for a little bit, but what do I know?

Re:In other news... (4, Insightful)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537813)

Perhaps the money problems mean that people will give up on plans to get a PS3 or 360 and a widescreen tv, and just opt for the Wii? Most people will still spend a few hundred dollars on their family this Christmas... but they might shy away from BIG luxury expenditures.

Re:In other news... (1)

digitalunity (19107) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537527)

I used to live in WA state and was able to get a Wii after just a few weekends of calling retailers. However, I moved to MN state recently and you can't get a Wii here.

I asked the electronics dude at target and he said they get a couple units a week and they all sell out the same day they arrive. I really don't understand why they can't ramp up production even more. At this point, scarcity isn't doing them any favors so there is no reason to limit supply. They should simply make as many units as possible and saturate the market to ensure licensing revenues are steady for some time to come.

Re:In other news... (5, Interesting)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537623)

I don't think you understand how many Wiis Nintendo is producing. Let me draw a comparison for you.

In the eight years that the PS2 has been available, it has sold about 140 million units. That's a lot by game console standards. In fact, it's a lot by the standards of pretty much any electronic device ever mass marketed. The PS2 is the most popular console in the history of video games.

To reach that lofty level of 140 million in 8 years, it would have taken a manufacturing capacity of ~1.5 million units per month. Nintendo is producing 2.4 million units per month. If Nintendo maintains that rate, they will produce 115.2 million consoles in the next 4 years. That's in addition to the 30 million consoles already on the market. That right there is over 145 million consoles in 6 years.

I will reiterate that the assumption is that production stays steady. However, Nintendo has already promised additional increases in production! Unless there is a massive and sudden drop-off in demand, Nintendo will not only be exceeding the record set by the PS2, they will shatter it to pieces.

I hope that clarifies the situation.

Re:In other news... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25537919)

"Unless there is a massive and sudden drop-off in demand, Nintendo will not only be exceeding the record set by the PS2, they will shatter it to pieces."

So far, they've sold 30m units in two years; and have yet to be able to keep them in stock.

And yet, the PS2 in eight years sold 140m. 140/4=35m units in the same window as the Wii. And the Wii is in its infancy and prime, when most attention will be focused on it.

And yet still, the PS2 was not difficult to find in-stores after roughly one year.

Not saying it won't exceed PS2 sales ... that's hard to say, and depends on what Nintendo does in the future. But I think you're being a bit over-optimistic. I doubt production will keep steady at 2.4m units/mo for the next six years. But we'll see ...

Re:In other news... (2, Funny)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537957)

Nintendo will not only be exceeding the record set by the PS2, they will shatter it to pieces.

Several reasons have been proposed for this:

  1. The Wii is slightly cheaper...

Re:In other news... (4, Funny)

MadKeithV (102058) | more than 5 years ago | (#25538371)

Just imagine how much it would sell if it reassuringly said "Don't Panic!" in large blocky lettering on the front!

Re:In other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25539165)

Or they up up burying them next to copies of ET..

Re:In other news... (1)

theaveng (1243528) | more than 5 years ago | (#25539223)

>>>To reach that lofty level of 140 million in 8 years, it would have taken a manufacturing capacity of ~1.5 million units per month.

Your statistical analysis doesn't hold-up, because the PS2 sold its first 100 million in just four years time. That's over 2 million per month. The Wii has sold "only" 30 million in two years; which would be 60 million in four years.... far short of what the PS2 did.

Even if the Wii continues its current rates it won't reach 100 million until the middle of year 6... 2012... by which point its SD-quality graphics will start looking rather aged, so it's unlikely to keep-up with its present pace. I predict the Wii will outsell both the Super Nintendo and the Original Nintendo, but not surpass the 100 million mark.

- posted with LYNX, a Commodore 64 web browser (using a 2 kbit/s modem)

Re:In other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25537541)

And in other news, Sony expects not to sell out of PS3s and have a large supply hanging around that no one wants.

Which would be funnier if it weren't true: Sony really has lowered their expected earnings report for this quarter.

Meanwhile, the Wii and Xbox 360 continue to sell out - including in Japan.

I guess not even LittleBigPlanet can save the PS3 - which isn't too surprising, given that users are giving it a 6/10 on MetaCritic, despite what the critics say.

Re:In other news... (1)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537807)

If we ever get a picture of Bush playing a Wii, the amount of internet posts spewing hatred will take down servers all over the world.

I imagine Nintendo is aware that this will all end... eventually... and don't want to be stuck with hundreds of millions of dollars worth of wasted manufacturing capability. Now, will it end after this Christmas, next Christmas, or will be be like the gameboy and dominate the market for ten years? Who knows.

Re:In other news... (2, Funny)

maliabu (665176) | more than 5 years ago | (#25538109)

The best sales are obviously around Christmas, both before and after. (After for all the folks who couldn't get one during the Christmas season.) Being at the opposite end of the year, summer is obviously going to be the low-point for sales. Consumers are spending their money on vacations and outdoor fun rather than game consoles.

We celebrate summer Christmas you insensitive clod!

Re:In other news... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25538185)

Ok who owns a wii? I do, all my friends do.
The only reason why i keep it is because I payed so damn much for it. Its not fun for more then 5mins. And playing alone is well, playing alone.

Seriously the Wii is not a console, or a next gen console. Its a toy, for kids. And thats it.

Re:In other news... (2, Insightful)

ciderVisor (1318765) | more than 5 years ago | (#25538631)

I own a Wii. When I first saw one, I HAD to get it. Pure irrational lust. Haven't regretted it one iota. As a family, we're pretty much casual gamers and it's 'party games' which hold our attention longest. Youngest daughter has a slimline PS2 and will hack away for hours on serious games, but she's very much the exception. Even on the PS2, the most popular games with the family have been Eye-Toy, Singstar and Buzz variants - ie, kids' party games !

Hardcore gamers are in the minority.

Nintendo's masterstroke was to make a killer application which appeals to gamers and non-gamers alike (Wii Sports), to manufacture the only hardware that supports it, and to sell that hardware for a profit, not as a loss-leader. They did exactly the same thing with the original Gameboy and Tetris combo.

Re:In other news... (1, Troll)

zerocool^ (112121) | more than 5 years ago | (#25538451)

I dunno, I think as more people get high def TV's, there's going to be less demand for the Wii.

Case in point:
A year ago, I *really* wanted a wii. Like, had to have. Couldn't find one.

Now, I have a high def TV, and find myself much more interested in something that doesn't just push 480p.

There's a lot good to say about the wii, but it's 2 years old now, and people are starting to see some issues with it, like:
* the lack of high-def output 2 years ago was not really that big a deal, and I'm the first to say that graphics aren't everything, but in 2008, and edging into 2009, a console that can't even output 720p or use HDMI just looks lazy.
* the fact that it's grossly underpowered for some games. Don't believe me? Play mario kart with 4 people, and watch the massive decrease in visual quality and frame rate. Look at Zelda for the wii, and realize that the exact same game came out simultaneously for the gamecube. Then you really start to get the idea that the Wii is just a Gamecube with a neat trick. Which makes it an 8 year old console, really.
* the fact that there have been essentially no killer titles out in months for the thing. While xbox360 and PS3 continue to have blockbuster games come out, the last "must have" for the Wii was either Mario Kart or Smash Bros. Brawl, and those were over the summer. Before that, it was Metroid, what was way earlier. All in all there's a lot of "fun games" for the wii, but killer titles? Not many.

I'm kinda Meh on the wii right now. A playstation3 looks awfully good, especially with blu-ray movie releases ramping up, and little big planet coming out soon...

~X

Holiday Wii shortages (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25537159)

People who would buy a Wii most definitely do have a shortage of wii down there.

Mac users may or may not have a small penis but 100% of them are sexually attracted to men.

Windows users may be straight and get pussy, but at the expense of having a double-digit IQ.

Linux users have the big dicks, voluminous brains, razor wits, and they get to fuck all of the female instances of all of the above.

Re:Holiday Wii shortages (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25537223)

Linux users fuck hermaphrodites and lesbians? Yikes.

Re:Holiday Wii shortages (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25537465)

Hah, like a Linux user would know how without a man page.

Re:Holiday Wii shortages (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537487)

"man page" sounds much cooler than "help". Seems that while the "man" is already in bed with the woman, the other users are over by the Windows trying to scrawl in their Notepad

Re:Holiday Wii shortages (1)

jonaskoelker (922170) | more than 5 years ago | (#25538527)

Small Vito Corleone face appears on the screen, with a speech balloon:

I'm de man around these parts. It looks like you're trying to reconfigure the Barzinis. I'mna make you an offer you can't refuse:

  • Provide weapons
  • Give information on wereabouts
  • Lend horses
  • Check for spelling errors

If you neednything, just come tode man.

Re:Holiday Wii shortages (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25538167)

>man lesbian
No manual entry for lesbian :( guess I'm shit out of luck... if only I was girl

Re:Holiday Wii shortages (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25538179)

Hey, forget the man pages. If I'm going to fuck multiple hermaphrodites and lesbians simultaneously with my big Linux-user dick, I'm gonna need an engineer to work out the logistics and placements!

This ain't no simple tab a->slot b thing we're talking about, man!

Must be ramping down production (-1, Troll)

SpaceLifeForm (228190) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537163)

They are dreaming if they think sales are going to be good.

Re:Must be ramping down production (5, Funny)

Atriqus (826899) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537357)

Tell me about it, I mean just look at their sales for the last two years... oh wait.

Re:Must be ramping down production (1)

bonch (38532) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537427)

Why do you say that? They're still in demand and hard to find.

Re:Must be ramping down production (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25537779)

Hey fuck you.. every time I get enough money to buy a wii it's fucking sold out you assholes!!! Who's wii do I have to suck to get a Wii??

So has Nintendo won the console war? (3, Funny)

chebucto (992517) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537169)

Is it official yet, or do the other contenders still have a shot at avoiding humiliation?

Re:So has Nintendo won the console war? (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537447)

Yes, no.

Everything went as expected, but atm Xbox360 in it's simplest form sells at a much lower price than the Wii so at the current prices I don't really know if the winner would had been so obvious.

Even though I wished Nintendo all well and they have new controllers one can't deny the 360 has benefits over Wii as well.

The PS3? Even better but cost twice as much as the cheapest 360 which is a factor. Also as long as it don't have a lot of games only for PS3 obviously less people will be interested.

Re:So has Nintendo won the console war? (5, Insightful)

Lulfas (1140109) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537473)

The 360 in its simplest form is missing quite a bit of capability. Notably, Live Arcade and such is mostly useless without a hard drive. PS3 is the most robust system, but costs so much and has so few games it is hard to sell. Wii is kind of perfect, even with the large quantity of shovelware crap 3rd parties are putting out.

Re:So has Nintendo won the console war? (1)

RogueyWon (735973) | more than 5 years ago | (#25538253)

Yes and no.

They have a similar units-sold lead to that which Sony established last cycle with the PS2. However, while Sony's lead in console sales was matched by a roughly equivalent lead in game sales (which is where the real profit is in this industry), Nintendo is actually significantly behind its competitors in this field this time around. So the huge installed base isn't actually equating into a "win" per se. A wii that is bought by a non-gamer, used for a month and then sits forgotten in a cupboard (which is, like it or not, not an uncommon occurance) is a one-off shot of cash for Nintendo, but that's not how you win the console-wars, as it doesn't really do much to attract developers to your system and does less to secure you a long-term profit stream. It's already clear that the predictions that most developers would focus on making their AAA titles for the Wii was false. A quick look at the (impressive) list of big releases this holiday season shows that simultaneous 360/PS3 releases (sometimes with a PC version thrown in) is the most common model. In fact, looking at the September through December releases, I can't see a single game that most gamers (as in, the people who are likely to buy games beyond what comes with their initial bundle) are likely to get out of bed for.

Basically, with the PS3 making some steps in catching up with the 360's initial lead, unless Nintendo can sort out its long-standing (3 console generations now) problem of not actually having enough games worth playing on its non-handheld systems, the most likely outcome of this round of the console wars is a rough 3-way tie. Unless it can convince the non-gamers who picked up the console when it was the "hot, trendy new thing" to go out and start buying some games, Nintendo may find the second half of this cycle to be very lean years. By contrast, MS and Sony will continue to benefit from the slow but steady turnover of the home-TVs market into HDTV.

Of course, this isn't to deny that Nintendo has done better than during the last cycle, when a late spurt by the 360 pushed it into 3rd place globally. It does, however, demonstrate that despite a hugely successful launch for their new hardware and controller (where the mainstream media seemed to fall over itself to generate Nintendo's hype for it), the same structural weaknesses that hindered the N64 and Gamecube still remain.

Re:So has Nintendo won the console war? (1)

RogueyWon (735973) | more than 5 years ago | (#25538903)

Bah, this is what I get for making posts first thing in the morning.

Last sentence of the first paragraph should read:

"In fact, looking at the September through December releases, I can't see a single game coming out on the Wii that most gamers (as in, the people who are likely to buy games beyond what comes with their initial bundle) are likely to get out of bed for."

And the first sentence of the last paragraph should read:

"Of course, this isn't to deny that Nintendo has done better than during the last cycle, when a late spurt by the Xbox pushed it into 3rd place globally."

Who doesn't have a wii at this point? (2, Interesting)

philspear (1142299) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537177)

What, are they EATING wiis? They've been selling out for over a year now, by my calculations that's 3 wiis per everyone.

Re:Who doesn't have a wii at this point? (2, Funny)

NoobixCube (1133473) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537213)

Three Wiis? With twelve, I could set up a Beowulf Cluster and run Linux to calculate Pi to the 50 billionth decimal place!

Re:Who doesn't have a wii at this point? (1)

nacturation (646836) | more than 5 years ago | (#25539059)

Three Wiis? With twelve, I could set up a Beowulf Cluster and run Linux to calculate Pi to the 50 billionth decimal place!

The 50 billionth decimal place of pi is 2. (Source: http://www.geocities.com/hjsmithh/Pi/Record51.html [geocities.com] )

Re:Who doesn't have a wii at this point? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#25539419)

With twelve, I could set up a Beowulf Cluster and run Linux to calculate Pi to the 50 billionth decimal place!

What you could do with twelve Wii consoles you could probably do with one Cell Broadband Engine in PS3 Linux, and you wouldn't even have to run anything like Twilight Hack.

Re:Who doesn't have a wii at this point? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25537291)

Children's toys get broken easily. There's probably a higher casualty rate for Wii's than for the systems made for mature people.

Re:Who doesn't have a wii at this point? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25537313)

Four Words: Red Ring of Death

At least "children's toys" are built for resilience.

Re:Who doesn't have a wii at this point? (1, Insightful)

aliquis (678370) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537475)

No news that Nintendo consoles live long and that the service is excellent. That many people have replaced their PS2 multiple times due to messed up laser, and the same for many people with their ring of death 360s as you mention.

Though I guess if one want to be evil one could say that's only because Nintendo update their (portable) consoles so you just "have" to buy the new version before the old one bites the dust so they get more sales that way instead :D

Re:Who doesn't have a wii at this point? (1)

Atriqus (826899) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537499)

When did the definition of mature people become "15-year-old beating a virtual hi-def hooker while giggling"?

Re:Who doesn't have a wii at this point? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25537579)

Well it's a step up on the maturity scale from "30-year-old bachelor playing games designed for 10-year-olds".

Re:Who doesn't have a wii at this point? (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537671)

Immaturity is when you seek out the things you were forbidden from as a child.

Maturity is when you're not afraid of what other people think. Especially when you base your choice of entertainment on such unpopular concepts as "fun", "uplifting", "social", and "family friendly".

Re:Who doesn't have a wii at this point? (1)

Atriqus (826899) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537673)

I'm going to have to disagree with you because I find those two situations to be on an equal plane of disappointment.

Re:Who doesn't have a wii at this point? (1)

philspear (1142299) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537711)

Children's toys get broken easily. There's probably a higher casualty rate for Wii's than for the systems made for mature people.

Hey, that's a bit far even for trolling. In fact, let's give a hand to nintendo for consistently making the most bullet proof consoles. Millions of years from now, after the nuclear apocalypse, alien scientists will come to earth and find nothing but slightly radioactive, still completely functional game boy advances.

Re:Who doesn't have a wii at this point? (4, Funny)

Coraon (1080675) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537303)

No, people arn't eating them, but I hear that their CPU when ground up makes a powerful aphrodisiac.

Re:Who doesn't have a wii at this point? (4, Informative)

Killjoy_NL (719667) | more than 5 years ago | (#25538461)

Wiiagra? :D

Re:Who doesn't have a wii at this point? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25539077)

I don't have a Wii at this point, would like one, but I scored a PS3 60 gig...the good one, for only US $200.00 2nd hand slightly used from a friend, so I'm not complaining. Besides the Wii takes too much space to play, my living room isn't very big.

Re:Who doesn't have a wii at this point? (1)

RobDollar (1137885) | more than 5 years ago | (#25538783)

Last Christmas, when everyone wanted a Wii and Nintendo was publicising the fact they couldn't have one, everyone I knew who wanted one got one.
That's with no exception, absolutely everyone had no problem aquiring one from a normal retail outlet.
Even the BBC reports [bbc.co.uk] were saying how hard it is to get one, just fuelling the need. I'm convinced it's 100% marketing, there's no actual basis to claim a shortage.

Re:Who doesn't have a wii at this point? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25538911)

In the last 10 months, I have seen a whole 2 Wii units on store shelves. I bought one of those - that was in June. I haven't seen any since (and I always look). They are not impossible to get, especially if you "want" one, but they aren't just sitting on store shelves collecting dust. At least not in any area where anyone I know lives. Maybe your area is different.

They're actually making 50% more (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25537271)

1.5*1,600,000 = 2,400,000

Re:They're actually making 50% more (1)

egburr (141740) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537327)

Whoever said that can't do math. If 10 million units is just 3 month's production, that is about 3.33 million a month, far in excess of their ramped up 2.4 million a month.

Re:They're actually making 50% more (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25537721)

Whoever said that can't do math. If 10 million units is just 3 month's production, that is about 3.33 million a month, far in excess of their ramped up 2.4 million a month.

There are 12 months in a year you nitwit

Re:They're actually making 50% more (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25537353)

And 2.4m/month * 3 months != 10m...

Re:They're actually making 50% more (1)

Walpurgiss (723989) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537491)

Yeah, math related brain fart I'd think. Can see how they got it though, since 8 + 8 = 16, and 8 + 8 + 8 = 24. 8/24 being 33%.

So I guess, the difference between the new number and old number is 33% of the new number is what they are saying, which is a pretty stupid and non-intuitive way to compare numbers. Most people, as above, would see 16 + 50% * 16 = 24 as a 50% increase.

Clone Machine (1)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537289)

2.4 million units a month worldwide

Short of building a cloning machine, what more can Nintendo really do? 2.4 computers a months seems like no small amount to me, especially considering that Nintendo often has good quality.

Re:Clone Machine (1)

NJRoadfan (1254248) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537343)

The first Wii my parents bought was a dud. Powered up to a blank screen or garbage video. Even with Nintendo's high level of QC, a few bad eggs slip into the channel. We rolled the dice and returned the unit (since there were none to exchange with), my aunt and uncle 4 states over found one at a store a week later and shipped it up to us. The other problem is finding the popular games. I lucked out finding Mario Kart Wii. Good luck finding Wii Fit though.

Re:Clone Machine (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537483)

Ompa-Lompa-Dibidi-Doo

Re:Clone Machine (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 5 years ago | (#25538669)

Short of building a cloning machine, what more can Nintendo really do?

Building a cloning machine for Wiis isn't that difficult. They're called factories.

The maths don't stack up. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25537315)

"We're now producing 2.4 million units a month worldwide. Last year, we made 1.6 million a month. So we've made a 33% increase. One of our competitors projects they will sell 10 million consoles worldwide this year. For us, that's three months of production.

Let's see. Three months of production, at 2.4 million units a month, is ... carry the one ... 7.2 million units.

Now if they'd said four months of production, I could accept it - they'd be slightly out, but it'd be within a reasonable margin.

Re:The maths don't stack up. (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537347)

In an interview with the LA Times, Nintendo president Reggie Fils-Aime said they're ramping up production by 33% already, with further increases planned

Reggie Fils-Aime said they're ramping up production by 33% already, with further increases planned

they're ramping up production by 33% already, with further increases planned

33% already, with further increases planned

further increases planned

Zoom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25537625)

Chanisms on /. That's a paddling.

I am a wii owner so spare me condemnation.. but.. (5, Interesting)

sleeponthemic (1253494) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537349)

To me, there is a serious problem with the Wii.

I've not checked many review sites so if I'm bringing up a biased, poor review site by all means, reject what I'm saying:

2 years in and according to Gamespot [gamespot.com] only 8 games have made a score over 8.5 - 12 if you count 8.5

This is woeful. You go to the Wii section in any store and the shelves are stocked with what I deem "exploitware". That is, poorly designed games attempting to sucker the Wii mass market into buying games based on advertised novel mechanics (that rarely work).

A year ago, you could forgive this type of situation on the industry having not caught up with the prolific popularity of the console. Now, I find myself losing faith in the Wii. With all the Mario lineup accounted for and Smash Bros done, a "not completely awesome" Metroid. What do we have to look forward to?

Url may or may not work for you (localised) http://au.gamespot.com/reviews.html?type=reviews&platform=1031&mode=all&sort=score&dlx_type=all&sortdir=asc&official=all [gamespot.com]

Re:I am a wii owner so spare me condemnation.. but (4, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537493)

I've not checked many review sites so if I'm bringing up a biased, poor review site by all means, reject what I'm saying

One comment I'd like to make is that Gamespot is useless. They have no journalistic integrity, and their reviews are awful to boot. Check IGN or MetaCritic instead.

You go to the Wii section in any store and the shelves are stocked with what I deem "exploitware".

I do not disagree with this statement. However, I would caution you to think carefully about the PS2 before you derive too much from it. How much PS2 software was AAA stuff? How much of it was excellent stuff that didn't get the attention it deserved? How much of it was pure, unbridled crap? (Even worse, do you know how much of the last category has been ported to the Wii to "cash in"?)

The biggest issue with the Wii is that some of the best games fall into the category of "don't get enough attention". Gamers pay attention to Monkey Ball Wii when Mercury Meltdown Revolution is the superior title. Zach and Wiki bring back the point and click adventure genre, but no one can be bothered to buy it. Geometry Wars Galaxies is several dozen shmups in one, but hardcore gamers ignore it. Pinball Hall of Fame: Williams Collection is the most amazing pinball simulation EVER, but it goes directly to the bargain bin. Boom Blox... well... Boom Blox is just overpriced IMHO.

And then there's WiiWare. Awesome, great, terrific, incredible games like Defend Your Castle, Toki Tori, Strong Bad, World of Goo, Wild West Guns (if you like light-gun games), Mega Man 9, Bomberman Blast, and LostWinds, yet most of the Wii owners I see don't even bother to hook up their Wii's Wifi.

I don't know if this is a failure to market on Nintendo's part or what. Obviously Nintendo's stuff sells well enough, so one has to wonder what gives. In part, I have seen publishers take a defeatist attitude toward the Wii. (e.g. The only reason why anyone heard of Zach and Wiki was because IGN tried to jump-start a grass roots movement. Capcom spent diddly squat on advertising and promotion.) Which, unsurprisingly, becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Still, you'd think that publishers would want to nail their support for this machine while the iron is hot.

I honestly don't think they "get" it. Until they do, a Wii owner has to be a discerning owner. Because that's the only way you're going to find the good games. And there are PLENTY. From Excite Truck to Wario Shake It, the games are there. They're just not getting much attention.

Re:I am a wii owner so spare me condemnation.. but (1)

ragethehotey (1304253) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537635)

And then there's WiiWare. Awesome, great, terrific, incredible games like Defend Your Castle, Toki Tori, Strong Bad, World of Goo, Wild West Guns (if you like light-gun games), Mega Man 9, Bomberman Blast, and LostWinds, yet most of the Wii owners I see don't even bother to hook up their Wii's Wifi.

I don't know if this is a failure to market on Nintendo's part or what. Obviously Nintendo's stuff sells well enough, so one has to wonder what gives.

What is so hard to understand that the whole reason these downloadable small-market games are able to be profitable is because they DONT spend an amount greater than the budget for the game itself to advertise, which would be exactly the case if they advertised them in any major media outlet.

Re:I am a wii owner so spare me condemnation.. but (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537727)

In the case of WiiWare, I was thinking about promoting the online capabilities of the console rather than the individual titles themselves. At least then users might hook up their consoles and Nintendo could realize better royalties across ALL WiiWare titles. Beyond that, I think that sites like WiiWare World [wiiware-world.com] already do an excellent job promoting the titles themselves.

Re:I am a wii owner so spare me condemnation.. but (1)

macshit (157376) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537787)

Obviously Nintendo's stuff sells well enough, so one has to wonder what gives. In part, I have seen publishers take a defeatist attitude toward the Wii.

I think part of the problem is that many game makers bought big-time into the idea that the ps3 would inherit the ps2's title. When the wii ended up eating the ps3's lunch, it was kind of hard for many of them to adjust.

Even where they do end up releasing games for the wii, the games often seem rushed and to lack the full attention of the company. I get the impression that some companies view their wii games almost as a kind of stopgap until the ps3 "catches up" and they can get back to their original plan...

Re:I am a wii owner so spare me condemnation.. but (1)

FornaxChemica (968594) | more than 5 years ago | (#25538421)

The press average on Meta Critic for the two games you mentioned isn't exactly outstanding:

  • Excite Truck: 72%
  • Wario Land Shake It: 78%

If these are hopes for the Wii players, the hopes are thin.

2 years in and according to Gamespot only 8 games have made a score over 8.5 - 12 if you count 8.5

About the same on Meta Critic [metacritic.com] according to their All-Time High Scores:

  • games > 85% : 10
  • games >= 85% : 13

And for the record:

  • games >= 90% : 7

The trend is quite similar on GameStats [gamestats.com] too (which is to IGN what Meta Critic and Game Ranking are to GameSpot -- no one is independent).

I very much agree with the original poster, there is a serious problem with the Wii, but it's not just with the hardware, it's with Nintendo and it started before the Wii. However, when you could -- rightfully or not -- put the blame for the sometimes mediocre software quality on a variety of reasons graviting around the below-average GameCube sales (unsupportive 3rd party, hasty development time, tiresome reliance on tried and true franchises), you can't do the same with the Wii. The Wii is a hugely successful console with a bunch of uninteresting games and the regular quality titles from Nintendo, Capcom, maybe a few others.

Even if those two usely live up to modern gaming standards, a majority of their games for the Wii lack surprise and excitement. What are exactly those top games on Meta Critic / Game Stats ? It's quite simple, really:

  • Mario
  • Zelda
  • Nintendo characters galore (SSBB)
  • PS2 port (Okami)
  • Metroid
  • GameCube port (RE4)
  • Mega Man, Paper Mario, Mario Kart, Mario everything...

GameCube ports, which is becoming a well-loved trend among publishers, has to be one of the most obnoxious, shameful idea to ever hit game consoles; for Gumpei's sake, the console is compatible with GC games! The so-called original games are all these pretty lousy Wii Something titles that appeal an awful lot to the heretical casual gamer. Between that and the remakes, the ports and the franchises ad nauseum, what's left?

To compete with used (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#25539561)

GameCube ports, which is becoming a well-loved trend among publishers, has to be one of the most obnoxious, shameful idea to ever hit game consoles; for Gumpei's sake, the console is compatible with GC games!

The old GameCube games are out of print. If publishers are going to spend money on putting games back into print in order to compete with used, they might as well add accelerometer support while they're at it.

Re:I am a wii owner so spare me condemnation.. but (1)

psst (777711) | more than 5 years ago | (#25538481)

Add Wii Pro Evolution Soccer [youtube.com] to this list. Best soccer game ever.

Re:I am a wii owner so spare me condemnation.. but (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537513)

Sadly enough most people are probably not to bothered with that since they end up buying all the same games anyway. (Mario galaxy, Zelda, maybe smash bros as you mention, metroid, mario kart, whatever more.)

Over here in Sweden the only games advertised for the DS is still Nintendogs and New super mario bros (and earlier mario kart). Sure there is a lot of games for the DS, sure there are better titles than those, sure there are newer titles than those, sure there are more interesting and fresh titles than those... Doesn't matter, it seems, because everyone seem to buy what they recognise / their friends have anyway.

But if I was new to the DS I would be wondering if that was all it had and if there never came any new games and such. I can't understand why they show the same old crap. Where is castlevania, megaman, kirby, advanced wars, final fantasy, the new probotector and so on?

Re:I am a wii owner so spare me condemnation.. but (4, Informative)

PhrostyMcByte (589271) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537515)

Now, I find myself losing faith in the Wii. With all the Mario lineup accounted for and Smash Bros done, a "not completely awesome" Metroid. What do we have to look forward to?

One thing I am looking forward to is the MotionPlus wiimote attachment. You know those lightsaber games we where promised? All the great game ideas that turned out lackluster because the wiimote's motion detection isn't that great? This will make all that possible. The MotionPlus gives 6 degrees of freedom, registering motion and rotation.

Re:I am a wii owner so spare me condemnation.. but (1)

nlawalker (804108) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537617)

The motion detection is the much smaller problem. One-to-one motion simply isn't possible because there's nothing to stop you from swinging when your sword hits your opponent's.

Re:I am a wii owner so spare me condemnation.. but (3, Interesting)

NothingMore (943591) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537631)

And how do we know that the "motion plus" add on wont also be a POS? Since that same argument that except using the wiimote was used before the release of the wii "well it cant be done with a controller but it would be with the wiimote" when in reality the motion controls remain for the most part a novelty. very few games ACTUALLY take advantage of the wiimotes motion sensing capabilities currently and i dont think an add one is going to change that.

Re:I am a wii owner so spare me condemnation.. but (1)

WillAdams (45638) | more than 5 years ago | (#25539315)

Given the tracking problems which Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors have, improving the accuracy of tracking would be a welcome improvement --- which isn't to say that I haven't enjoyed DQS a lot, but it would be more enjoyable if it wouldn't occasionally inexplicably register a thrust and break the hit chain, or if it would more accurately track diagonal slashes.

I'm sure that the developers invested a great deal of effort to get it to the point where it is --- making that easier for them (and the gamer) will help the game experience a lot.

William

Re:I am a wii owner so spare me condemnation.. but (1)

tibman (623933) | more than 5 years ago | (#25539389)

mmm, not being trying to be nit-picky but without the motion sensing you only have like.. 4 buttons? Pretty sure every game uses motion sensing.

Re:I am a wii owner so spare me condemnation.. but (3, Insightful)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537553)

Remember how long it took the PS2 to build up a solid library of titles?

Sure, there were dozens of titles at launch, but it took ages for it to build up its now-formidable library, while Microsoft rested on its laurels with Halo.

Re:I am a wii owner so spare me condemnation.. but (1)

nlawalker (804108) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537747)

The Wii's problem is that it isn't getting any "epic" games on a regular schedule, which are what are getting all the hype and praise right now.

Gears of War 2
LBP
Rock Band and GHWT
Fallout 3
Dead Space

These are the games that get magazine covers, breathless previews, dedicated forums, etc. They have big budgets, huge graphics, and online features out the wazoo. They pop up every couple of months on the 360 and PS3, and there are a ton right now because the holiday season is approaching. How many Wii games get this treatment? To my eyes, the answer is 0.

I like to think I've got a pretty good perspective on this. I have a Wii that's been sitting unplugged now for months, and a 360 that I haven't played in a month or so. I like games, but lately I've been too busy or lazy to play them. I still keep up with game news though, so I do graze those magazine covers, Metacritic reviews, and I see the forums that spring up dedicated to a single game.

So if all that is the case, why does the Wii do so well? That "hype and praise" I mentioned in the first paragraph doesn't mean *shit* to a lot of people buying Wii games. Someone that sees Wii Music or Wii Fit on TV once, thinks "oh a new disk for my game box!", has the cash and picks it up for the *experience*, even if that experience only gets revived from the closet floor once every two months when friends are over (they didn't really think about that when they got it - these aren't the cash-starved teenagers and college kids that seem to dictate the market and the web climate for the "serious" games).

The Wii is a toy. I don't mean that in a bad or degrading way, but it's the best way to compare it to the other consoles. It's a toy with different marketing and audience goals than the consoles. It's a toy that's sold like gangbusters and really shows no signs of slowing. We've hit the Internet age and computers still intimidate the hell out of a huge amount of people - the friendly white box plugs straight into your TV, and you don't need to buy anything else, read instructions, or figure out what the 15 buttons and analog sticks do to start waving the magic wand around and having fun.

If you're a "hardcore" gamer, the "Wii problem" is simple. Unlike the 360 and the PS3, you need to look at the Wii games that are available and what's on the horizon - look past the magazine covers, read some reviews. See a few things that are interesting and willing to spend the money? Get one. Otherwise don't. People need to get it through their heads - Nintendo doesn't care about you. They care about selling systems and games, and they are doing a pretty damn good job despite the "teeming masses" of people online complaining to them - those masses in actuality are a minority, and not even a vocal one at that, because most people can't hear them.

Re:I am a wii owner so spare me condemnation.. but (1)

jalet (36114) | more than 5 years ago | (#25538225)

> a "not completely awesome" Metroid

Are you joking ?

On again, off again (1)

Vandil X (636030) | more than 5 years ago | (#25538605)

I own a Wii, and pretty much it just sits there unused unless a good game comes out that I'm interested in. For me that was Super Mario Galaxy and Mario Kart.

Most of the rest of the titles I see in stores are gimmick/exploitware games that aren't even worth $10, let alone $49.

Much of the WiiWare games seem like mediocre crap that look like ports of flash games -- I've only picked up Mega Man 9 from the crop for its retro appeal (though I think they went a little too heavy on the difficulty.. the older games were not this difficult).

The Virtual Console started off strong with big name releases and now it seems like we get weak releases more often than good ones.

In fact, i'll likely not even power on my Wii again unless Mega Man 3 comes out on the VC.

Re:I am a wii owner so spare me condemnation.. but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25539003)

We've been having a blast with the Lego series and I've been addicted to World of Goo (wiiware).

At the risk of getting beaten up.... (1)

Conspiracy_Of_Doves (236787) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537363)

I walked into a store a few weeks ago and bought one.

Ok, yeah. I was shocked as hell that they actually had them in stock.

what?! (2, Insightful)

skam240 (789197) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537375)

Seriously? People are still into this fad system?

Don't get me wrong, there were few people who were stronger supporters of the Wii when it was first coming out with it's new motion control setup. Unfortunately, it seems like all that developers have been able to do with it is create a bunch of crappy mini games where the only point seems to be to flail ones limbs around. The only thing the system does well is shooters (given that every other system has given up on the light gun) while they have been unable to come up with anything compelling in terms of sequels for their major franchises. Shoot, they even managed to release sequels to major franchises (I am thinking of Paper Mario and Mario Kart specifically here but I am sure there are others) that were significantly worse than their Gamecube counter parts.

Re:what?! (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537517)

Super Paper Mario was supposed to come for Gamecube, evil Nintendo releasing it for Wii only. I want my super paper mario damnit! ;/

Re:what?! (2, Insightful)

Atriqus (826899) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537619)

from wiktionary:
fad: n, A phenomenon that becomes popular for a very short time.

Average Span between nintendo consoles: ~5 years

So I ask you this: when a system is still scarce for half of its shelf-life, can we please stop calling it a fad?

Re:what?! (4, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537709)

Unfortunately, it seems like all that developers have been able to do with it is create a bunch of crappy mini games where the only point seems to be to flail ones limbs around.

Unfortunately, it seems like all that developers have been able to do with the PS3 is create a bunch of crappy first person shooters where the only point seems to be to fire guns in random directions and hope you hit something.

I don't know how up to date you've been keeping with the Wii, but the age of mini-games is over. Save for Rayman Raving Rabbids 3, I can't think of a single title in recent memory that's based on mini-games. If any exist, it is probably a shovelware title that you should avoid. Spend your money on Boom Blox, Wario Shake It, Zack and Wiki, or one of the many excellent WiiWare titles instead.

Re:what?! (4, Insightful)

nlawalker (804108) | more than 5 years ago | (#25537761)

To a lot of people complaining, those games you list *are* mini-games. As in, not beefy games - the blockbuster ones that really drive things. In this context, the definition of mini-game has changed, and has glommed together with portions of "casual game," "low budget game, "shallow game" and "simple game."

Re:what?! (2, Insightful)

melatonin (443194) | more than 5 years ago | (#25538871)

The Wii has changed the definition of what makes a good game. Nintendo proved that there was a huge market waiting for games that are relatively easy to produce, fun to play, and very profitable (and unfortunately, a lot of business players have forgotten how to make and sell those).

Metal Gear Solid 4 and Metroid Prime 3 are great. Those kinds of games aren't going anywhere. But myself, and a lot of other people, are glad that games based on fun gameplay concepts have a home again.

I love Heavenly Sword, but it was written off largely because people consider it short. If the developer's hadn't wasted so much money (and consequently lost it) on making it a cutting edge blend of technology and art, there couldn't have been a hell of a lot more fun gameplay in it.

Re:what?! (1)

melatonin (443194) | more than 5 years ago | (#25538875)

d'oh. could have been a lot more fun gameplay.

Re:what?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25539031)

Pray and tell, what is the limit of gameplay hours would you consider a game "non-minigames"? To me, the games listed above are *NOT* mini games.

Re:what?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25539421)

To a lot of people complaining, those games you list *are* mini-games.

Yeah, but those are probably the same kind of people that complain when a movie cost less than 50 million bucks for special effects alone, and who look for big budgets, big names etc. rather than good stories, compelling acting, and so on.

It's certainly their right to prefer that, but that doesn't mean we should listen to them. Not that big-budget, big-name movies can't be good - far from it! -, but it's not a guarantee, and neither are smaller, "independent" movies necessarily bad or boring.

The same goes for games. There's great shooters out there, for instance - but someone who automatically treats everything that doesn't match a very narrow stereotype of what games "should be like" with contempt is really only cutting into their own flesh.

Re:what?! (4, Insightful)

powerspike (729889) | more than 5 years ago | (#25538181)

i think the system is great, and it fills something that wasn't around at all, me and my friends will play wii for 10minutes (what ever game * people) while we wait for a taxi, or someone to get back with pizza and a movie etc. One of the best features of the system is that you can pick it up, play it for 5-10 minutes, AND have fun. it's hard to do that with almost anything else on the market. Your welcome to call it a fad system, but be aware, to alot of people that own one, the power is in been able to play it for 5-10minutes and put it down. Hardcore gamers might see it as a fad, but not every one is addicted to gaming

Re:what?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25539597)

And you hit the nail on the head. It isn't hardcore gamers that created the initial buzz, it was the Joe Sixpack that doesn't have time to spend hundreds of hours trying to get to the next level or beat the game on superincrediblyhard setting. But even for me, a former avid gamer, I find that there are a few games that can force me to revert to that mentality and I suspect over the next few years the number of really good games will increase and more traditional gamers will make the switch. Plus it is nice to have a game console that your family, friends and children can play without having to be a gaming junkie.

Re:what?! (1)

jonaskoelker (922170) | more than 5 years ago | (#25538495)

While they have been unable to come up with anything compelling in terms of sequels for their major franchises.

Everytime I look, I see good things being said about LoZ Twilight Princess and SM Galaxy.

That's also my own experience: Z:TP sucked me in like a vacuum, playing it every spare moment, loving it all the way. The puzzles are just hard enough to push me without leaving me stomped for too long [nice graphics, well-composed music, same old story but with a nice twist; slightly less fun second time you play it, though].

The graphics, sound, level and boss design for SM Galaxy: awesome [I love(!!) the daredevil run of the stony guy in the circular arena]. I've got some bad things to say about controls and camera, but I may be the exception rather than the rule.

I bought and loved both, and I haven't played any of the previous games that much. Not compelling? It is subjective, but a lot of people hold a view different from yours.

--Jonas K

I must be missing something here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25537601)

Why don't they just raise the price? If there's this huge demand for the thing, just raise the price until supply = demand?

Re:I must be missing something here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25539065)

because in what we call the "real world", people get pissed off when they're forced to pay $500 for something which costs $150 to make.

Nearly One Per Second (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25537685)

2.4 million a month is about 54.8 per minute. Nearly every second there is a complete new WII console produced. Like, we're talking over 9000 here.

It's Christmas (2, Informative)

EdibleEchidna (468353) | more than 5 years ago | (#25539185)

Stop pussyfooting around with the phrase "holiday season". If you mean Christmas, say Christmas!

this basically describes (2, Insightful)

nimbius (983462) | more than 5 years ago | (#25539235)

the reason i never bought a wii. i couldnt find them in my area for 7 months, and if i could they were at the low low price of $600. by the time i could, every store had jacked up the price and required pre-registration again.

i dont want to be treated like cattle for something like this. in my opinion nintendo's first venture at this bordered on blackmarket extortion.
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