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Researchers Decentralize BitTorrent

CmdrTaco posted more than 5 years ago | from the only-a-matter-of-time dept.

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A Cow writes "The Tribler BitTorrent client, a project run by researchers from several European universities and Harvard, is the first to incorporate decentralized search capabilities. With Tribler, users can now find .torrent files that are hosted among other peers, instead of on a centralized site such as The Pirate Bay or Mininova. The Tribler developers have found a way to make their client work without having to rely on BitTorrent sites. Although others have tried to come up with similar solutions, such as the Cubit plugin for Vuze, Tribler is the first to understand that with decentralized BitTorrent search, there also has to be a way to moderate these decentralized torrents in order to avoid a flood of spam."

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fp tip (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25544453)

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Re:fp tip (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25544731)

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Re:fp tip (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25545081)

Don't cut my testicles! I'm serious!

Re:fp tip (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25545813)

why so ssserious?

It's a good start... (5, Interesting)

Smidge207 (1278042) | more than 5 years ago | (#25544481)

...and hopefully with this companies will start to use BT as an alternative to http/ftp. The downside is that you have to have a client, but I bet that browsers will have integrated BT support soon (the new Opera does, FF has a plugin). And the savings for the server range from a LOT to none, and even none can't hurt, since if nothing else you at least have a great download client able to resume downloads, download huge files, etc.

=Smidge=

Re:It's a good start... (4, Informative)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#25544539)

Opera has had bt support for a while. If you know what a torrent is, you're probably better off with a dedicated client, but for joe average clicking on a link to download, it's usable.

Re:It's a good start... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25544671)

And exactly how many joe averages run Opera?

Re:It's a good start... (3, Funny)

philspear (1142299) | more than 5 years ago | (#25544733)

Me, for one.

Re:It's a good start... (5, Funny)

bistromath007 (1253428) | more than 5 years ago | (#25544763)

You're replying to a slashdot comment saying that you run Opera. What makes you think you qualify as Joe Average?

Re:It's a good start... (4, Funny)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545017)

You're replying to a slashdot comment saying that you run Opera. What makes you think you qualify as Joe Average?

He said "Me, for one" instead of "I, for one"?
No /. elitist would munge their grammar in such a fashion

Re:It's a good start... (4, Funny)

Qzukk (229616) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545155)

No /. elitist would munge their grammar in such a fashion

I propose that the poster is so elite that he is completely out of touch with Joe Average. Alas, due to this, his attempt at pretending to be average failed.

The correct response should have been

ME TOO

Re:It's a good start... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25545645)

True Americans (Joe Sixpack)do not use Opera.

Re:It's a good start... (0, Offtopic)

Dystopian Rebel (714995) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545243)

No /. elitist would munge their grammar in such a fashion

Don't profess to know the mind of an Elitist Slashdot Grammar Nazi until you can write correctly.

Re:It's a good start... (1)

youthoftoday (975074) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545363)

But that's correct.

Re:It's a good start... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25545607)

It's not correct. "Their" is the plural pronoun. "No /. elitist" is a singular subject. The correct form is to use "his", "her", or some alternate form like his/her.

Re:It's a good start... (1)

Inner_Child (946194) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545959)

The problem with that is that using a plural possessive to refer to a singular subject of unknown gender is widely accepted.

Then again, this is Slashdot...

Re:It's a good start... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25546015)

Due to the fact that "his" and "her" are supposedly both sexist, and "his/her" and various replacements are generally considered awkward and useless, "their" is now recommended when referring to an unspecified individual. So y'all can jest get off yer horse and learn the new rule.

Re:It's a good start... (1)

Radres (776901) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545397)

Was he supposed to write there or they're? Get out of here!

Re:It's a good start... (1)

kdemetter (965669) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545575)

No /. elitist would munge their grammar in such a fashion

Don't profess to know the mind of an Elitist Slashdot Grammar Nazi until you can write correctly.

It seems correct to me , but it might be a trap.

Re:It's a good start... (1)

andymadigan (792996) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545613)

I would say the same to you, it's difficult to recognize proper grammar when you see it, isn't it?

Re:It's a good start... (4, Funny)

kv9 (697238) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545651)

He said "Me, for one" instead of "I, for one"?

I, for one welcome our new Joe Average Opera-using overlords.

Re:It's a good start... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25545739)

Wrong!

No /. elitist would ever use the phrase "I, for one" unless he is welcoming new overlords.

Re:It's a good start... (3, Funny)

Darth Cider (320236) | more than 5 years ago | (#25546009)

"No /. elitist would munge their grammar in such a fashion" That should be, "No /. elitist would munge HIS grammar in such a fashion." Not knowing this will cost you 50 points on the SAT test.

Re:It's a good start... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25545237)

Trying to steal the thunder of (average) Joe the plumber!

Re:It's a good start... (1)

philspear (1142299) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545469)

My forged passport which reads "Joseph P. Average, citizen of Guatemala"

Re:It's a good start... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25545931)

We know Joe Average doesn't use Opera. But does Joe the Plumber?

Re:It's a good start... (5, Funny)

BlowHole666 (1152399) | more than 5 years ago | (#25544815)

Opera and myself have been browsing the web for porn since 2000 :) I never leave my pants on the floor without it :)

Re:It's a good start... (4, Funny)

Amouth (879122) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545133)

funny you mention that.. people whos computers i have had to clean viruses and crap off of because it was obvious they where browseing porn with IE.. install opera and inform them to use it instead... they have a odd face but hey i havn't had to touch any of their comps again (thankfuly)

Re:It's a good start... (5, Funny)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545327)

Opera and myself have been browsing the web for porn since 2000 :) I never leave my pants on the floor without it :)

Uhh, too much inf... No wait

-1, Informative ;)

Re:It's a good start... (2, Interesting)

KovaaK (1347019) | more than 5 years ago | (#25544937)

My mom recently told me that I should switch to Opera, and she just turned 60 a few days ago. But, she also plays WoW and is more active in web development than I am... so I guess my family isn't exactly "average".

Re:It's a good start... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25545819)

At first I read this as "she also plays WoW and is more attractive".

Re:It's a good start... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25545971)

>My mom recently told me that I should switch to Opera, and she just turned 60 a few days ago.

Time to look into placing her into the old folks' home, I guess. :(

Re:It's a good start... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25545835)

Don't you mean "Joe the Computer Guy?"

Re:It's a good start... (4, Interesting)

Goaway (82658) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545857)

Yeah, this is pretty much exactly the opposite of what companies looking to replace http/ftp want.

See, here's the thing:

Bittorrent only does file transfer. All other p2p clients do file transfer and search.

Bittorrent is massively popular. All other p2p clients are struggling to get anyone to use them.

And what lesson do people learn from this? Apparently that Bittorrent needs search. These are hardly the first people to have tried this, and found that nobody wants it.

Re:It's a good start... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25545239)

No, Ie will never have bittorrent support. Because Ie will never have bittorrent support, most websites won't offer a download via that format. And if I were in charge of things for IE, it wouldn't get support until the browser supported all of css3 spec.

Re:It's a good start... (-1, Offtopic)

aliquis (678370) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545419)

Operas is really slow for me though so I try to avoid it as plague. I don't run a firewall or so so I don't really know why either.

Centralisation is why BT is so popular (4, Insightful)

AmiMoJo (196126) | more than 5 years ago | (#25544513)

BT is popular because you can go to a reputable listing site, find a well seeded and good quality torrent with comments by others to back it up and download it quickly. Compared to the chances you take searching traditional P2P systems, full of dodgy encodes, fake file names and incompletes it's obvious why people turn to BT first.

Re:Centralisation is why BT is so popular (4, Informative)

MasterOfMagic (151058) | more than 5 years ago | (#25544583)

Yes, and you can still do this even with Tribler. They're not mutually exclusive.

Re:Centralisation is why BT is so popular (2, Interesting)

thepotoo (829391) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545217)

Yeah, but the interface is clumsy (pretty, but still clumsy) and there doesn't seem to be any way to read comments on the torrents. The ability to sort by seeders is nice.

But, what I really want is a way to sort by seeders AND 4 or 5 star ratings AND filter by category AND quickly view tags (dupe, spam, nuked, wrong category, etc) on a torrent. No site lets me do this, but Demonoid comes pretty close with filters.

Decentralization is a pretty good idea, but it's certainly a long way from being ready for prime time - things may change, and there do seem to be sort boxes for heart (which I assume is rating) and magnifying glass looking at a person's neck (which might be comments, but doesn't seem to do anything anyway).

I was hoping this could become a great way to find legal inde mp3s (people rate and comment, I filter by good rating and read comments then download, but it doesn't look like it's going to replace Demonoid without a pretty large critical mass of people.

Re:Centralisation is why BT is so popular (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25544595)

Shut your face, as someone who is actually still stuck on dialup I find your comments offensive and insensitive; you know full well on your dialup days the downloads you attempt would have taken weeks. And even try to liken it to our suffering when you see speeds in the lower half of a hundred K that might take a couple of hours. For Shame Good sir, For Shame.

(Yeah, I'm planning on suing the government and AT&T for retributions for the hardships and suffering our modem bound people have had to endure.)

Seriously though, the answer to the rare file dilemma is that the website that is hosting the torrents needs to have a server running Bittorent and all the files with intelligent prioritizing of the worst seeded files. So when there are other people to take the load the website can outsource it, when its rare the website will have to share the burden like it would have had to via http anyways.

Re:Centralisation is why BT is so popular (1)

imroy (755) | more than 5 years ago | (#25544743)

The eMule network has ed2k URI's [wikipedia.org] which use a hash function to identify a specific file. I don't see them used much, but I'm not a big P2P'er.

Re:Centralisation is why BT is so popular (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25545599)

And there's the related Magnet URI [wikipedia.org] which is more general, but is also hardly used at all.

Yay! The Pirates SCORE AGAIN !! Yay!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25544533)

Yay!! I got mail!! Yay!!

Re:Yay! The Pirates SCORE AGAIN !! Yay!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25544887)

For a slashtard you spell pretty good.

Re:Yay! The Pirates SCORE AGAIN !! Yay!! (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545463)

Yay! The Pirates SCORE AGAIN !! Yay!!

Yay!! I got mail!! Yay!!

And the ignorant are fed for another day.

Let me see if I have this straight... (2, Interesting)

bconway (63464) | more than 5 years ago | (#25544609)

Full decentralized, search capabilities, with many people able to share pieces of the same file... I think we already have something like that [wikipedia.org] .

News flash: Centralisation is a strength of BitTorrent.

Re:Let me see if I have this straight... (1)

zwei2stein (782480) | more than 5 years ago | (#25544893)

News Flash: New feature does not remove older.

I just don't see how this would hurt torrents in any way. (unless you talk about cliques of people worried about their private trackers, who might be exposed to public by some seach feature, in which case solution is not use client that does that.)

Also, Torrent was hardly centralized lately, popular cients support several tracers per torrent, user-to-user peer exchange and tracer discovery. Hell, those "centralized servers" usually just offered torrents with trackers from other domains with quite shamefull quality. Even tpb has its share of fakes.

Quality torrents will still be avaiable thought miracle of .torrent files at directories. ED2K network worked exactly like this before life was sucked from it by torrent/rapidstuff. and it was flawless: get link from trusted source first, try search if it fails. win/win

Re:Let me see if I have this straight... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25545815)

What are these tracers you speak of? Do you mean trackers?

Re:Let me see if I have this straight... (1)

Goaway (82658) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545915)

I just don't see how this would hurt torrents in any way.

It wouldn't, and nobody said it would. The point is just that nobody wants this.

Why? (1)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545841)

News flash: Centralisation is a strength of BitTorrent.

What makes you think centralisation is a strength? I liked gnutella just much better for actually finding stuff, except that BT is faster for downloading.

Newsflash: with a decent client that let you ban junk, and enough common sense to see the junk patterns, gnutella was (and still is) very reliable.

It's *AA payback time... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25544641)

1. Subpoena universities world wide

2.

3. Profit ???

Find torrents or people? (1)

jb.cancer (905806) | more than 5 years ago | (#25544687)

So can this plugin be used to find people hosting files and do away with centralized servers hosted in no-you-can-sue-in-this-country?

Re:Find torrents or people? (1)

blueg3 (192743) | more than 5 years ago | (#25544749)

There are already decentralized mechanisms for finding peers given a torrent -- the problem that this is trying to address is a decentralized mechanism for finding torrents.

Everyone should be aware... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25544691)

According to the website, Tribler will exchange torrent downloading history by default.

Re:Everyone should be aware... (3, Informative)

EncryptedSoldier (1278816) | more than 5 years ago | (#25544905)

Yeah, and it also states it can be easily turned off by "disabling the recommender in the Preference menu".

Researchers plans (1, Insightful)

philspear (1142299) | more than 5 years ago | (#25544747)

1. Decentralize bittorrent
2. Share pirated stuff
3. ???
4. profit
5. Cure cancer?

Re:Researchers plans (-1, Redundant)

ArsonSmith (13997) | more than 5 years ago | (#25544909)

1. Decentralize bittorrent
2. Share pirated stuff
4. profit
5. Cure cancer?

Question: What's step 3?
Answer: Step 5 will cure cancer.

I always feel the need to correct this joke. Get rid of the ??? step as part of the joke is that it doesn't exist and ruins the entire thing. By adding the ??? step it's as if you are looking for the step when the idea is that you deny it is even needed.

Hey, I take my jokes very serious.

Re:Researchers plans (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25545051)

I always feel the need to correct this joke. Get rid of the ??? step as part of the joke is that it doesn't exist and ruins the entire thing. By adding the ??? step it's as if you are looking for the step when the idea is that you deny it is even needed.

If you're always "correcting" a joke did you ever stop to think maybe you just don't get it?

Re:Researchers plans (1)

Goaway (82658) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545957)

Do you know why he doesn't get it? Because it's not actually funny. It's just a reference, it has no humour value on its own.

Re:Researchers plans (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25545099)

The joke comes from South Park. In the South Park Episode, "Gnomes", the following sign explains the gnomes' plan to steal underpants: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dd/Gnomes_plan.png [wikimedia.org] .

Re:Researchers plans (1)

philspear (1142299) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545539)

I always feel the need to correct this joke.

Well then the joke is partially on you.

Re:Researchers plans (1)

squizzar (1031726) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545965)

I suggest you correct:

      joke -----> %

                      0 /|\ You
                    / \

My ASCII art is terrible, and I don't take it seriously.

It's a terrible shame when one with such a low uid falls from such a great height...

Re:Researchers plans (1)

squizzar (1031726) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545997)

Arrgh!! Muphry's Law in action... I'll be in the corner sobbing if anyone needs me.

Ivy League (-1, Troll)

bugeaterr (836984) | more than 5 years ago | (#25544799)

Good to see the best minds of this generation have chosen to benefit humankind with... ...a better way to steal stuff!

Re:Ivy League (3, Informative)

BlowHole666 (1152399) | more than 5 years ago | (#25544841)

Good to see the best minds of this generation have chosen to benefit humankind with... ...a better way to steal stuff!

Bit Torrent is not always used to steal stuff. Its how some game updates are downloaded, and most versions of Linux offer a Bit Torrent download.

Re:Ivy League (1)

SkankinMonkey (528381) | more than 5 years ago | (#25544885)

Guns aren't always used to kill things either. I mean, you can use them for target practice, right?

Re:Ivy League (1)

compro01 (777531) | more than 5 years ago | (#25544999)

You seem to be implying that killing something is never a correct course of action. I can think of several not-uncommon instances where it is a correct action.

Re:Ivy League (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25545329)

I cannot.

Re:Ivy League (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25545481)

You don't think that if someone is about to end your life it's correct to end theirs first, to preserve your own?

Re:Ivy League (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25545031)

Are you suggesting that the use of P2P networks can kill people?

Re:Ivy League (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25545041)

Guns are used for legal reasons ridiculously more often that BT is. Your comparison is retarded.

Re:Ivy League (1)

Amouth (879122) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545247)

i don't know.. i bet more people play wow than download movies via BT

Re:Ivy League (1)

YojimboJango (978350) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545109)

Your analogy doesn't stand up to this circumstance because guns are used for target practice a lot more than they are to kill things.

Re:Ivy League (1, Redundant)

albertost (1019782) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545287)

how can you kill 'things'?

Re:Ivy League (1)

Mikkeles (698461) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545545)

Well, you show me your 'thing' and I'll kill it!

Re:Ivy League (1)

gnick (1211984) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545669)

Guns aren't always used to kill things either. I mean, you can use them for target practice, right?

Guns are often used for hunting - A legal, useful, and environmentally friendly way to gather food. Sometimes guns are used for legal and useful things and sometimes they're used for crime.

Thank you - Good analogy.

Re:Ivy League (1)

SkankinMonkey (528381) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545771)

I think hunting still counts as killing things. My comment didn't factor in whether killing things are good or bad, and that was on purpose.

Re:Ivy League (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25544931)

Good to see the best minds of this generation have chosen to benefit humankind with... ...a better way to steal stuff!

Bit Torrent is not always used to steal stuff. Its how some game updates are downloaded, and most versions of Linux offer a Bit Torrent download.

Although I wonder how many legit and mainstream uses of torrent requires a search capabilities.

Re:Ivy League (1)

haystor (102186) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545007)

The games distributed by bt are tyipcally fired up from a torrent link on their site. Why would you need to search internet at large for an alternate copy of it? Oh yea, you want the free one.

Solving the wrong problems (1)

Beve Jates (1393457) | more than 5 years ago | (#25544895)

How about working on making it so that I don't have to show my IP address as downloading a specific file? That's by far the biggest problem with BitTorrent.

Maybe a bunch common servers that then stream to you. This would be similar to news servers/NNTP except you would be pulling from multiple sources in the BitTorrent way. Also more stuff could be available if it worked like normal torrent hosts and they didn't expire (unlike news servers).

Individual people could even act as proxies similar to Tor/Freenet except designed for a heavy load (like I2P).

Just something, anything, that obscures the IP addresses of those downloading stuff. All the current stuff like encryption and this decentralized system do nothing to protect the users of the system.

Re:Solving the wrong problems (1)

jlarocco (851450) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545883)

Protip: It's a fundamental requirement of Internet Protocol (the IP in TCP/IP) that the machines you connect to or that connect to you need your IP address to send you data.

If you want data from the internet, somebody is going to need your IP address.

eDonkey/eMule anyone? (4, Insightful)

imroy (755) | more than 5 years ago | (#25544913)

Is it just me, or is the BitTorrent world slowly converging on features and an architecture that the eDonkey network [wikipedia.org] has had for years?.

I mean, BitTorrent started out as a way to download big files, like Linux ISO's. Then people started making big torrent search web sites, similar to eDonkey servers. Then people made BitTorrent clients that had a queue of downloads (e.g utorrent), quite similar to eDonkey clients. Now these people have made Torrent searching distributed, just like eDonkey and Kademlia.

I've never been much impressed by BitTorrent (gee, can you tell?). Just what is it that makes it more popular than eDonkey/eMule? Is it just the reputation and hype that has built up around "Torrents"?

Re:eDonkey/eMule anyone? (5, Insightful)

fmoliveira (979051) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545077)

with ed2k I enter in the 2000th position in 2000 different queues. with torrent my download starts almost immediatly at the top speed my connection supports. I don't like the work of emule developers at the protocol, and they aren't very receptive of suggestions. I think the users voted with their downloads.

Re:eDonkey/eMule anyone? (2, Interesting)

imroy (755) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545349)

with ed2k I enter in the 2000th position in 2000 different queues.

Ok, I'll give you that. It often takes a while to start a download, especially if it's not widely available. eDonkey seems to be setup for college students - run it 24/7 and everything is queued. I wonder how BitTorrent does it differently. Surely not every BT download starts immediately - there can't always be enough idle peers (with the content you want) to make that possible. Is your experience mainly with new or old content, or both?

Re:eDonkey/eMule anyone? (1)

fmoliveira (979051) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545479)

There doesn't need to be someone idle awaiting. If I'm already uploading, someone should already be paying me back. ed2k is just dumb.

Re:eDonkey/eMule anyone? (1)

Endo13 (1000782) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545761)

Bit torrent starts to upload literally as soon as you have data that any other peer needs. It seems to me like new peers are given some data ASAP for that very reason. And then of course, as soon as you have some data to upload, another peer/seed is relieved from uploading that particular data, giving it more upload cap to send you more data, etc. As long as people aren't too stingy with their upload it works pretty well.

Re:eDonkey/eMule anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25545801)

Well rather than waiting on a Queue, a Bitorrent connection (that just started) with a whole bunch of peers would have the seeders sending data to the first set of peers and then after a short while those idle peers would be able to get it from those first set of peers, as more and more people start getting the data, there is more available sources. Now if you're talking about very new content, it will be very fast because you'll have tons of people hitting the connection as well as those who have already downloaded the content, increasing your available pool of sources 10 fold.

Re:eDonkey/eMule anyone? (4, Informative)

Carnildo (712617) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545865)

You seem to have some misconceptions on how BitTorrent works. Basically, when you start a torrent download, your client asks the tracker (a central server that's keeping track of things) which computers have the download in question. Your client then asks those computers for pieces of the whole download. The pieces come in random order, and it might take a while for you to get the whole file, but the strength of BitTorrent is that, by asking many computers for small pieces of the file, you're getting a share of the collective upload bandwidth of every computer that's got part of the file, rather than getting the complete upload bandwidth of a single computer. This lets the download start immediately, and means that even peers that don't have the complete download yet can help speed things up for you.

Re:eDonkey/eMule anyone? (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25545153)

The difference between emule and bittorrent is that bittorrent is *effective*. Emule has always been a completely slow piece of shit. Bittorrent became popular because it's typically FAST on bandwidth speeds!

Re:eDonkey/eMule anyone? (1)

BPPG (1181851) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545165)

I've never been much impressed by BitTorrent (gee, can you tell?). Just what is it that makes it more popular than eDonkey/eMule? Is it just the reputation and hype that has built up around "Torrents"?

I've kind of wondered this as well. I'm not a heavy bittorrent user, but it is what I mostly use for P2P.

The only reason I can think of is that it makes sense on a browser-centric desktop, you learn about it and use it with your browser, whether it's IE or firefox or lynx.

Re:eDonkey/eMule anyone? (5, Informative)

Timmmm (636430) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545231)

It's the fact that

a) The torrent sites are easy to search, have good files and few fakes.
b) The tit-for-tat algorithm does a pretty good job of ensuring people upload stuff to you. Every other P2P software I used before bittorrent was slow and unreliable.

Re:eDonkey/eMule anyone? (1)

ACMENEWSLLC (940904) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545439)

I've noticed downloads in eMule files containing .torrent files and wondered why. I combined my shared directories between all my sharing programs into one directory. Then it dawned on me. When I downloaded something in a torrent where the download contained the .torrent file, eMule would share that .torrent file. So someone searching in eMule (or Limewire) could come along and fine my shared .torrent file as a source to the shared file. By the same token, I can search in eMule for a .Torrent, download it, and attempt to use Limewire to torrent download the file. MD5's are your friend here :)

It only makes sense that the .torrents themselves have no central server. Now what would be really nice it being able to combine sources for Knoppix that are eMule, KAD, torrents, and Limewire and use all of them at one time to get Knoppix downloaded.

Re:eDonkey/eMule anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25545719)

i blame the flood of people on the bittorrent mailing list (myself possibly included) that wanted to do "cool things" with torrents, but, uh... didn't know exactly what could be cooler, or really better, really. the multi-tracker thing is kind of cool, but not sure about the rest of the crazy things. bram left that group a long time ago.

TPB Redundant (1)

thewils (463314) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545525)

So does this lead to TPB (and others) becoming largely redundant? If not right now, at least the writing is on the wall for them. I mean if you can search without TPB, then why would you need to go there, apart from maybe checking out their legal pages.

Re:TPB Redundant (1)

Endo13 (1000782) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545837)

apart from maybe checking out their legal pages.

But isn't that enough reason? I mean, they have some really good advice there. Like, make sure you use a good quality retractable baton.

Re:TPB Redundant (1)

Xerolooper (1247258) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545943)

Maybe they should form some kind of association and sue Tribler users for IP infringement. They could call it ToRrent Industries Association of America (RIAA)

Stupid Question (4, Interesting)

bendodge (998616) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545721)

I know this is a naive question, but how does a client find any peers to query without a centralized server to get a list from?

Re:Stupid Question (1)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545945)

DHT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_hash_table [wikipedia.org]

Basically they find matches of the same BITTORRENT files, not the same FILE, and peers and seeds are connected by the hash of the bittorrent file to each other if and only if they match bittorrent hashes.

tl;dr they connect to each other only by matching bittorrent files using a magic server.

Re:Stupid Question (0)

cjhanson (1296897) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545949)

There would still be the necessity for a server, however that server could maintain only a client IPs and perhaps some sort of network topology information. Once connected to any of the retrieved IPs a client can gather more IPs and start to build a picture of what is out there.

DAMNIT (1)

cjhanson (1296897) | more than 5 years ago | (#25545821)

Okay, hit me with an off-topic, but can we find a way to be able to remove retarded first-posts that are actually worse than "first post!"?

As far as TFS... I for one, am thrilled to see that torrents technology, being both beautiful in concept and on it's way to being the de-facto web content delivery method (imho), is preparing to become even more of a hot-topic red button for consumer-suing power-houses (aka, RIAA) once when this leads to bigger and better hidden piracy networks.

Or, for those new to slashdot...

"Sweet, more bootleg porn!"
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