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Ubuntu 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex) Released

CmdrTaco posted more than 5 years ago | from the might-be-time-for-a-topic-icon dept.

GNU is Not Unix 482

SDen writes "Bang on target, the new version of Ubuntu Linux is available for our downloading pleasure. Amongst various changes it sports updates to the installer, improved networking, and a new 'Mobile USB' version geared towards the blossoming netbook market. Grab a copy from the Ubuntu website, and check out Linux Format's hands-on look at the Ibex."

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Tutorial on Using apt-p2p to Upgrade (5, Informative)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570369)

Grab a copy from the Ubuntu website ...

TorrentFreak has a great tutorial on using BitTorrent [torrentfreak.com] to upgrade to Intrepid Ibex. Odds are high that the default servers in sources.list are going to be taxed pretty heavily today so this might be useful to a lot of people.

Now if only Microsoft & Apple could harness & effectively utilize the power of p2p ... *cough* *cough*

Re:Tutorial on Using apt-p2p to Upgrade (4, Informative)

pablomme (1270790) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570535)

My direct download from Canonical (releases.ubuntu.com) went at full speed for the full 11 minutes it took to download. Plus it didn't break my ssh connections, which bittorrent always does.

Re:Tutorial on Using apt-p2p to Upgrade (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25570999)

Thats probably because you are not limiting your upload bandwidth. Whatever client you are using for bittorrent sucks up all of it, shutting everything else down. Fix that, and you'll be good.

Re:Tutorial on Using apt-p2p to Upgrade (1)

pablomme (1270790) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571043)

I limit it to 32 KiB/s in Transmission, but it seems to hog it anyway.. It looks more like a number of connections issue.

The power of p2p? (0, Offtopic)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570583)

What power? I don't want to share my now limited bandwidth for some commercial company to give out updates.

This isn't 2007. P2P Has been single handedly neutered by the likes of comcast.

Re:The power of p2p? (4, Informative)

TechForensics (944258) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570711)

P2P Has been single handedly neutered by the likes of comcast.

That is a huge overstatement.

Re:The power of p2p? (0)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571035)

If you use comcast ( and others ) your monthly bandwidth is limited.

Are YOU going to share what you have left with others? Im not.

Re:The power of p2p? (4, Insightful)

vux984 (928602) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571443)

If you use comcast ( and others ) your monthly bandwidth is limited.

Most people don't use anywhere near their quota.

Are YOU going to share what you have left with others? Im not.

If you have 3 apples and are only hungry enough for 1 apple, do you refuse to share your remaining apples simply because your apple supply is limited?

Re:The power of p2p? (3, Funny)

Sir_Lewk (967686) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571499)

I put that apple in a fruit bank of course!

Re:The power of p2p? (0)

chill (34294) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571515)

If you have 3 apples and are only hungry enough for 1 apple, do you refuse to share your remaining apples simply because your apple supply is limited?

If I'm going to be hungry later, and my apple supply isn't going to be refreshed until further down the road, you bet your ass I'd refuse to share.

Re:The power of p2p? (1)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571527)

You can put your apples in the fridge and eat them later.

Re:The power of p2p? (1)

TheSHAD0W (258774) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570717)

What do you mean by "now limited"? If you don't have a quota and aren't using it, and it helps you download faster... Why not?

If you're limited by quota, or are busy serving for other purposes, then the direct download links are right there.

Re:The power of p2p? (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571013)

yes, i know there are direct downloads, i was commenting on the statement of 'using the power of p2p'.

Re:The power of p2p? (1)

TheSHAD0W (258774) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571099)

Heh. Well, I recommend you encourage others to use it. This means you'll be "using the power of p2p" to reduce the load on the direct download links, speeding up your own access. :-P

but what about... (1)

TheSHAD0W (258774) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570611)

...BitTorrent links to the full install CDs?

That'd take a huge load off their servers...

BitTorrent links (4, Informative)

TheSHAD0W (258774) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570819)

Ah, found the answer, thanks AC. Unfortunately Ubuntu put the torrent files on their releases server [ubuntu.com] , which is slow. Here are mirrors:

ubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent [degreez.net]
ubuntu-8.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent [degreez.net]

Re:Tutorial on Using apt-p2p to Upgrade (3, Informative)

Max Romantschuk (132276) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570643)

apt-p2p... Had never heard of that. Excellent idea, assuming it somehow checks your packages haven't been tampered with... :)

Shouldn't this be an checkbox-style option in Ubuntu by now?

On another note, I've been running Intrepid at home for some time now, and everything seems to work pretty smoothly. There's been some issues, but nothing major...

On the other hand, I tried upgrading my Ubuntu Studio setup to Intrepid before installing the regular beta... Baaaad idea. The upgrade messed something up so that I only got the desktop background in graphical mode. Pretty useless desktop... ;)

Re:Tutorial on Using apt-p2p to Upgrade (4, Informative)

Kjella (173770) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570847)

apt-p2p... Had never heard of that. Excellent idea, assuming it somehow checks your packages haven't been tampered with... :)

The packages have been signed next to forever. If you install any 3rd party repository you'll notice that they usually ask you to download a gpg key and add it to the trusted list as well, otherwise apt-get (or any other package manager, I guess) will loudly complain that the authenticity can not be validated.

Re:Tutorial on Using apt-p2p to Upgrade (5, Funny)

rodrigoandrade (713371) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570675)

> Now if only Microsoft & Apple could harness & effectively utilize the power of p2p ... *cough* *cough*

The community already took care of it ages ago... *cough* Mininova/Pirate Bay *cough*

Re:Tutorial on Using apt-p2p to Upgrade (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571021)

"Now if only Microsoft & Apple could harness & effectively utilize the power of p2p ... *cough* *cough*"

P2P is highly effective for spreading their wares and chumming the market. :)

Re:Tutorial on Using apt-p2p to Upgrade (3, Interesting)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571123)

I saw this elsewhere and I'll ask the same thing:

Why would I go with apt-p2p instead of debtorrent? I realize they are written by the same person, but debtorrent is already in the repositories and appears to just exactly the same thing.

Does it fix the annoying wireless disconnect issue (4, Interesting)

rikkards (98006) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570431)

I have been experiencing a minor annoying bug with Heron for the last while where the wireless connection will drop randomly. Reading the logs it shows that the wireless nic hasn't talked to the AP for a while and assumes it is out of range. I have seen others with this issue but no solution. A workaround is to restart networking.

Re:Does it fix the annoying wireless disconnect is (5, Informative)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570563)

I'm not sure on your issue, but the network manager has had some serious work done:

http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha5#Network [ubuntu.com] Manager 0.7

Re:Does it fix the annoying wireless disconnect is (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25571119)

I feel your pain. chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf should not be necessary but it insists on overriding the regular file permissions :-(

Re:Does it fix the annoying wireless disconnect is (1)

mmkkbb (816035) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570691)

I have seen others with this issue, and it seems to be related to the driver for a particular wireless chipset. I was able to fix it by setting a cron job to restart the wireless driver every half hour, because the prescribed fix by anonymous internet strangers was to use the latest CVS copy of the rt2500 driver, and that failed.

Re:Does it fix the annoying wireless disconnect is (1)

skeptikos (220748) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570779)

The same happened to me when I upgraded from kernel 2.6.24-19 to 2.6.24-21. I kept the old one, and I boot using the grub menu. The changelog does not show changes in the network driver I use (my card is a Ralink RT2500), so I don't know what the real cause is.

Re:Does it fix the annoying wireless disconnect is (1)

mcelrath (8027) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570807)

This seems to be a problem with 802.11b itself and some base stations, and is usually due to interference. The base station and/or the card drops the connection for ~minutes on a regular basis. I've seen it on windows too. I doubt NetworkManager updates will be able to fix it.

You can try switching to a different channel. Use iwlist eth1 scan to get a list of visible AP's, and select a channel that is not used. Remember that the frequencies overlap so in reality there are only 3 usable channels: 1, 6, and 11.

I would love it if other people had more/better information. It's infuriating that the base station/card drops the connection. It should re-establish it as soon as the interference is gone. It would also be nice to be able to figure out what's going on in the relevant frequency ranges...

Re:Does it fix the annoying wireless disconnect is (1)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570853)

wicd is your friend, I think it's in the Intrepid Repos now*, but if it isn't you can get it from here

http://wicd.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]

*I'm still using Gutsy for some reason...

Re:Does it fix the annoying wireless disconnect is (1)

Knuckles (8964) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570955)

Does it fix the annoying wireless disconnect issue

Um, how are we supposed to know about what issues you have? Did you file a bug? Then check its status. Otherwise, well, pray.

Re:Does it fix the annoying wireless disconnect is (4, Informative)

thtrgremlin (1158085) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571001)

You might not be experiencing the same bug I was, but if you are, this is what I figured out.

Looking through dmesg, I noticed what appeared to be authentication requests. It appeared to be coming from me. Doing a little hunting, it appears that a lot of routers do not support ipv6 in addition to a few wireless drivers not fully supporting ipv6. Either way, browsing would be fine, until an ipv6 connection was attempted. This would return a "connection not found" type error, and resulted in deauthentication, technically the right course of action.

Long story short, and from reading about other people having similar problems, opened up /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and add the line 'blacklist ipv6'. My wireless worked fine after this, when previously it would disconnect somewhere instantly, and rarely staying up as long as 2 minutes. Hope this helps.

Re:Does it fix the annoying wireless disconnect is (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25571081)

Or how about the "I know the SSID and the WPA key, but I'm going to refuse to connect to the non-broadcasting AP anyway" bug. There's nothing quite like having to type in a 64-character WPA key every single time the laptop boots.

Yes, the wireless network is listed in the saved list. No, you can't get it to connect from that list, you have to create a manual connection and reenter everything. No, you can't copy-paste the WPA key in, that doesn't work for some reason.

Of course, the laptop could boot a lot less frequently if only suspend or hibernate worked. Sadly, while Ubuntu is quite capable of shutting the machine off, it can't quite get the hang of resuming.

Re:Does it fix the annoying wireless disconnect is (1)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571217)

How the hell is this offtopic? Stupid mods...

Sorry, I don't know the answer to your question, rikkards. I probably will whenever my laptop gets back from Acer.

Re:Does it fix the annoying wireless disconnect is (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25571459)

I don't know if they fixed your problem, but my wireless started getting dropped as soon as I updated and rebooted. Did some digging, and it's likely the new kernel version, and not anything with Network Manager, but that doesn't change how annoying it is. It usually only happens with a hidden ESSID, but even when it's in the middle of an active transfer.

get the seeds going! (1)

i.r.id10t (595143) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570441)

subject says it all...

6th of 7th post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25570479)

This has got to be at least the 6th or 7th post.

W00t!

Re:6th of 7th post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25570551)

If only you had first post, and you didn't make any mention of it being first post, you could've had +5 informative...

Thanks (-1, Offtopic)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570507)

Glad i got my copy before it was announced on here.

Kubuntu and Nvidia (3, Informative)

John Utah (1318581) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570509)

Too bad Nvidia didn't fix their driver in time for the 8.10 release. Using VESA sucks. http://kubuntuway.net/ [kubuntuway.net]

Re:Kubuntu and Nvidia (1)

Knuckles (8964) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571015)

Too bad Nvidia didn't fix their driver in time for the 8.10 release.

Could you specify what issue you have? Because the release notes just mention that nvidia dropped support for some older cards in their new drivers (which are needed because of the new xorg), and I doubt that nvidia considers this a bug.
OTOH, I have seen nvidia issues with Geforce 6100 card on the ubuntu-users list and on Launchpad, I'd like to know more.

Re:Kubuntu and Nvidia (3, Informative)

John Utah (1318581) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571455)

I seem to be affected by this: "Known issues * Users of NVidia cards with the binary driver provided by NVidia might suffer from performance problems in window switching and resizing. We've made the NVidia engineers aware of those problems. However, no fixed NVidia driver has been released yet. You can find information on how to improve graphics performance on Techbase, although we ultimately have to rely on NVidia to fix their driver." I have Quadro NVS 140M. I've tried using the nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-new drivers, but the problem persists.

Re:Kubuntu and Nvidia (1)

thtrgremlin (1158085) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571239)

The packages are there, but my driver did not load automatically. Don't know why. But where I previously had been using nvidia-glx-new, which it says conflicts with xorg-server-foo. Turned out I needed to pick nvidia-glx-771 for my particular card, and then everything worked fine. Not sure which one you need, but if you search the packages for nvidia-glx, it explains which drivers are appropriate.

Cool (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25570527)

But it there a Linux version?

celebration (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25570533)

happy release day to all \o/

Here are the torrent links (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25570547)

Torrents:

Desktop - AMD 64
http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.10/ubuntu-8.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent

Desktop - i386
http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.10/ubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent

I am downloading both of these, they are quite fast. Seeders are increasing by leaps and bounds!

Re:Here are the torrent links (1)

Rinisari (521266) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570697)

All of my computers and connections combined are seeding approximately 3 MB/s. It's rocking.

Is there a torrent of the torrent? (5, Funny)

pturpin (801430) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571351)

I can't seem to even get through to download the torrent.

This isn't feeling very intrepid to me (1, Funny)

Hasney (980180) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570593)

Please could you provide details of where to refund my bandwidth?

Community? (-1, Offtopic)

Kimos (859729) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570945)

Most of this software has been written and maintained by people who donate their time to build something amazing and give it away for free, and you're griping about contributing less than 1GB of your upload bandwidth? Yeesh...

Bang on Target? (3, Insightful)

segedunum (883035) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570615)

Well of course it's bang on target. They have a six month release cycle where they release come-what-may without a feature list.

Re:Bang on Target? (3, Insightful)

Knuckles (8964) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571041)

they release come-what-may without a feature list.

That's just not true, at least the part about "without a feature list".

Re:Bang on Target? (4, Insightful)

MadKeithV (102058) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571059)

Still, getting a stable release out on the dot is a pretty interesting feat. Microsoft sure didn't manage it with Vista though they kept scrapping announced features.

Re:Bang on Target? (1)

Paradigm_Complex (968558) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571133)

Not true. Ubuntu doesn't take quite as long as Debian does to make sure each release is flawless, but Canonical has been willing to extend deadlines when it found it necessary (eg Dapper Drake).

Ibex? (1)

Conspiracy_Of_Doves (236787) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570647)

I guess Iguana was too obvious.

Re:Ibex? (1)

nacturation (646836) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571473)

Indecent Iteration was voted out early on.

I hope the improved compability. (5, Insightful)

gapagos (1264716) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570699)

I hope they improved compatibility / hardware detection for the sake of all the newbies out there.

I used to run Ubuntu 6.04, 6.10, 7.10 and 8.04 on my OEM e-Machine with moderate success and after some tweaking, I really enjoyed it.

However, when I upgraded to a non-OEM machine of my own, and tried to install 8.04, I wasn't so lucky.

First, boot CD installer failed to launch properly (keeping me stuck to a black DOS-ish screen, I forgot what it was exactly).
After several google searches on my 2nd computer, I managed to disable some things in the boot options, and Ubuntu installed properly. ...Or so I thought. No ehthernet card was detected. If I didn't have a 2nd computer, how was I supposed to search a solution for that one?

Trouble is, I spent way too much time messing with Linux before, and now I no longer have that patience. I didn't feel like going through the whole process again. Either it works, or it doesn't.

I'll give Ubuntu 8.10 a try. But if my broadband wired internet connection doesn't work right away, I'll just uninstall it like 8.04 and be over with it.

Still, Ubuntu is by far, the most user-friendly distro out there, and I wish linux advocates would recommend it more, instead of dividing the userbase into alternate Ubuntu-like projects like Mandrivia or SuSE.

The main reason why Linux doesn't build a solid desktop base among home users is because:
1- Lack of standard, reducing support available and compatibility consensus.
2- Linux Geeks expecting average joe to spend time (which he doesn't have) browsing at forums for his answers, often "on his 2nd computer" (which he doesn't have either).

Re:I hope the improved compability. (1)

mortonda (5175) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570971)

I'm sorry that you had such a bad experience, but I really find stories like this to be odd. I haven't had an install of any distro fail to recognize hardware since... oh I think about 1998. Maybe 2000. And that was due to a buggy 3com card that had problems in windows too.

The last version or two of ubuntu have even gone beyond what I expected - my HP 7310 network printer even works with the scanner and card reader features - Ubuntu just found it automatically.

If we're going to be putting anecdotal evidence out here, I have to toss in a vote for "I had no driver problems at all"

OTOH, I have had quite a few instances of windows drivers not working, particularly printers and video card drivers.

Re:I hope the improved compability. (2)

gapagos (1264716) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571389)

I don't think my story is rare at all, though.
Think about it. Linux has something like 2%, maybe 5% of the home desktop market share.

Yet look at how many forums you can find with users having hardware problems with Linux. There's an incredible amount of them. Sure, there are some hardware issues in forums for Windows users as well, but it's lightyears away from anywhere that looks proportional to the windows/linux market share.

And that's assuming that everyone experiencing a linux hardware issue will find the means and the motive to post a thread about it. Most of my friends, and anyone in my family, would just give up right away.

As I said... Ubuntu worked great... on my OEM machine, which probably a lot of other users around the world share. And again, not everything worked (for ex. I never managed to run my webcam, nor my TV-tuner, nor my more advanced printer features) but most did.
But I was much less successful with Mandrivia and SuSE, two other distros that (and imho, should not) keep being recommended by various Linux advocates.

Now, I was much less lucky with a newer non-OEM machine that a local store built from scratch for me. How many users are in my situation? Probably much more than what google results would display, imho.

No ethernet card detected? (5, Insightful)

nicks,nicks,nicks! (1312041) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571137)

Isn't that exactly the kind of situation something called the "Live CD" was invented?So that you could check out whether all your hardware works before you install.Or was that too newbie for you?

Re:I hope the improved compability. (1)

Jeng (926980) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571319)

Without knowing what equipment you were loading it on its hard to say whether it was the software or the hardware.

Often times the bottom of the barrel manufactures do not follow standards to shave some bucks off the price, when they do that they only test on windows. Also, was the network card enabled in the BIOS?

Now though, if you were installing windows on the computer you would not have the network drivers at all which would leave you in the same boat. Ubuntu will at least provide drivers that work on almost all network adapters, windows not so much.

Re:I hope the improved compability. (1)

gapagos (1264716) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571545)

Strange, because when I installed Windows, my internet worked without any configuration whatsoever.
And yes, network card was enabled. :-)

Re:I hope the improved compability. (1)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571325)

Just curious.

Did you try running MemTestx86 on the PC that failed to boot? The two times I've had any issue with Ubuntu, I was running buggy memory modules. Windows would load & run (for a while) on them but Ubuntu hated them.

But will wifi work? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25570727)

Will an AR5007 wireless card work with 8.10 right out of the box? Because I'm a complete beginner trying to switch from Vista to Ubuntu and I've been trying to set up my wireless card in 8.04 but have failed for the past 2 weeks and at least 5-10 attempts.

Most user-friendly Linux distribution my ***...

Re:But will wifi work? (2, Informative)

Blice (1208832) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570805)

Yes.

There's a brand new atheros driver with the new kernel that has certainly been working it's magic with wireless cards.

GNU? (-1, Troll)

incripshin (580256) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570729)

How is this classified as GNU? I for one get pissed off any time anybody says 'GNU/Linux'. It really shows off RMS's ego that he shoves his own project in front. Anybody who listens to that nutjob [encycloped...matica.com] has some issues.

Re:GNU? (2, Insightful)

nsheppar (889445) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570845)

It's because it uses GNU coreutils. Linux is a kernel, not a full OS distribution. You need other tools to actually use it. Those tools are (almost always) GNU coreutils.

It's pedantic, but credit should be given where credit is due. It used to piss me off too until I realized this.

Re:GNU? (3, Insightful)

incripshin (580256) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571297)

I understand that, but this is an RMS vs the world issue. He was on OpenBSD talk a year ago or so, and he claimed that he couldn't recommend OpenBSD as a free operating system because it contained non-free software. The real issue, it turned out, was that if you install the ports system (a manual process), then you can install things like Opera. Non-free software is restricted to the ports system and is not available via the CD or FTP. He didn't know any of this, because he only heard it from somebody else (who probably didn't know what they were talking about), and subsequently blew it out of proportion. I really like a quote from Dramatica:

Now, RMS seems to spend his time avoiding soap and bitching that Linux should be called 'GNU/Linux' since it 'uses GNU software, and Linux is just the kernel.' If RMS had actually spent more time working on projects like HURD instead of writing the GNU Software Manifesto he may have a right to bitch.

Also, see the italic text here [openbsd.org] . Bottom line: don't listen to this guy.

Re:GNU? (0, Redundant)

Knuckles (8964) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571067)

GNU/Linux

Re:GNU? (1)

incripshin (580256) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571385)

Icon.

Eeepc Netbook Support (5, Informative)

johnsie (1158363) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570749)

This version of Ubuntu works better on the EEEPC than Hardy did. They have included alot of eeepc modules so less tweaking is needed. If you have a 701 with 4gb, compressing /usr will give you a at least 1gb free space, possibly 2gb. I used this tutorial too do it: http://po-ru.com/diary/linux-liposuction-or-xubuntu-in-under-a-gig-on-the-eee-pc/ [po-ru.com] The tutorial works on Xubuntu and Ubuntu, possibly Kubuntu but I haven't tried that. Read the comments on that page for extra help.

New features (4, Interesting)

apathy maybe (922212) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570775)

Personally, despite some wonderful new features, I'm going to stick with 8.04 for a bit, at least until they work out the bugs. Of course, I won't ever be prompted to upgrade to 8.10, because 8.04 is a long term support release. Having a look at the release notes, at least one unacceptable (for me) bug is:

On laptops with Intel 3945 or Intel 4965 wireless chipsets and a killswitch for the wireless antenna, starting the system with the killswitch enabled (i.e., with wireless disabled) will prevent re-enabling the wireless by toggling the killswitch. As a workaround, users should boot the system with the killswitch disabled. A future kernel update is expected to address this issue.

Considering the regression from 7.10 with the wireless lights (it used to be a light would flash when transmitting data, now the light never even shows (known bug)), maybe they should have a long look at their wireless system.

Oh, and the CD eject bug...

Yeah, I would like to have the latest GNOME, and OOo 3 without installing backports, but honestly, I don't think I'll bother.

Re:New features (3, Informative)

Chris Pimlott (16212) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571083)

Personally, despite some wonderful new features, I'm going to stick with 8.04 for a bit, at least until they work out the bugs. Of course, I won't ever be prompted to upgrade to 8.10, because 8.04 is a long term support release. Having a look at the release notes, at least one unacceptable (for me) bug is:

On laptops with Intel 3945 or Intel 4965 wireless chipsets and a killswitch for the wireless antenna, starting the system with the killswitch enabled (i.e., with wireless disabled) will prevent re-enabling the wireless by toggling the killswitch. As a workaround, users should boot the system with the killswitch disabled. A future kernel update is expected to address this issue.

This is not a new bug in 8.10 by any means, it's been present since 8.04 [launchpad.net] .

Re:New features (1)

Knuckles (8964) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571121)

Just FYI, you can change the setting to be prompted for all new releases, not just LTS, by changing the setting in Software Sources.

Re the wireless light, this was "fixed" in the new kernel at least for the iwl3945 module. Unfortunately, it is now worse: the light will now indicate traffic, and so will flash all the time for me, which is very annoying (bug filed)

Excellent on Acer One Netbook (4, Informative)

SlashdotOgre (739181) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570801)

I initially tried 8.04 on my Acer One and found a lot of basic features required some ugly workarounds. Before I gave up on Ubuntu (was going to do a binary version of Gentoo using my desktop as a build server), I gave 8.10 beta a shot and everything (wifi with ath5k, sound with snd-intel-had, etc.) works out of the box. I'm very satisfied with the 2.6.27 kernel.

Re:Excellent on Acer One Netbook (1)

Abreu (173023) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570981)

Thanks for that info, I have been looking into purchasing an Acer AspireOne.

Re:Excellent on Acer One Netbook (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25571487)

I initially tried 8.04 on my Acer One and found a lot of basic features required some ugly workarounds.

I think I found your problem.

Re:Excellent on Acer One Netbook (1)

int19h (156487) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571549)

Thanks, nice to know. ArchLinux also works on the Acer Aspire One. Great little machine. :)

"clocks went back last weekend" (0, Offtopic)

chad.koehler (859648) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570809)

The article states that the "clocks went back last weekend". That is not true.

Re:"clocks went back last weekend" (1)

6Yankee (597075) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570863)

What a delightfully US-centric viewpoint...

Re:"clocks went back last weekend" (4, Informative)

Des Herriott (6508) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570895)

Linux Format is a UK publication. The clocks did indeed go back last weekend in the UK.

Default wallpaper? (5, Funny)

kermit1221 (75994) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570813)

Based off the screenshots, the desktop looks to me like a bloody faceprint on a cave wall.

Or is it significant of "Bang Head Here" when configuration works like 8.04?

Re:Default wallpaper? (1)

Abreu (173023) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571011)

It is supposed to be a cave painting of an ibex

Re:Default wallpaper? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25571541)

"Bang Head Here"

That's what she said.

But will the wifi work? (5, Interesting)

Yarcofin (1397091) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570919)

I'm a beginner trying to make the switch from Vista to Ubuntu, but for the past two weeks and about 5-10 failed attempts, I've been trying to get my AR5007 wireless card to work in Ubuntu 8.04 to no avail. Will an AR5007 card work with 8.10 right out of the box? Or else I'm not going to bother with it if I can't even get a internet connection. Most user-friendly distribution of Linux my ***...

Re:But will the wifi work? (2, Informative)

Knuckles (8964) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571189)

Will an AR5007 card work with 8.10 right out of the box? Or else I'm not going to bother with it if I can't even get a internet connection.

Yes: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EeePC/Fixes [ubuntu.com]

Most user-friendly distribution of Linux my ***...

What can Ubuntu do it the kernel did not support it in earlier versions? Go complain to your hardware manufacturer.

noooooooooo (1)

pato101 (851725) | more than 5 years ago | (#25570935)

Thanks, Slashdot, now I see why my upgrade process has speed down from 200KB/s to 15KB/s and going down :((
Seriously, I knew this would happen :P
I should consider cleaning up my packages, since my download is up to 2Gb!!!!

Re:noooooooooo (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571359)

Or you could considering going with a torrent instead. Apparently the new CDs have an upgrade feature to speed things along.

Re:noooooooooo (1)

chill (34294) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571403)

As opposed to those of us using a torrent, who saw the speed to UP significantly. Nothing like a lot of seeders to saturate your download bandwidth.

Tracker indexes the torrents. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25571085)

http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969

download torrent of your choice from the tracker itself. It will be a lot faster.

Nvidia works now? (1)

MMC Monster (602931) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571129)

Anyone know if the nvidia proprietary drivers work now? They weren't working as of Monday of this week. (I got burnt with installing the release candidate on my testing machine. Go figure.)

Re:Nvidia works now? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25571287)

If you are talking about the legacy drivers, they were released in beta by Nvidia just yesterday. According to Nvidia they have "preliminary support" for Xorg server 1.5, so they should work with Intrepid, though I don't know how well. They'll probably be included in the first round of intrepid updates if they're stable enough.

Which one for a netbook? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25571171)

I am currently on an EEE 900A as my only machine (year abroad and saving on money), so I am looking for something "real" to put onto this as I have some Issues with Xandros (lack of repositories, ssh not working, lots of non-standard packages, ...).

Currently I have Mandriva 2009.0 in my sights - is there a reason why I should consider Ubuntu?

The machine is used to do quite a diverse set of tasks from compiling FORTRAN 90 to getting photos off my Canon 590 IS

The biggest most awesome change in Intrepid!!! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25571255)

You know that GTK bug where if your mouse cursor is on a button and the button becomes greyed out so you can't click it and then it becomes normal again but your mouse cursor has been in it the whole time but now you can't click the button even though it's normal now so you have to move your mouse pointer OUT of the button and then back into it again to get the button to work? You know that bug? The one that makes you want to rip out your hair and scream?

Well it's fixed. Whoever is the awesome person who fixed that is my hero. Someone give that person a fucking cookie.

Re:The biggest most awesome change in Intrepid!!! (1)

siDDis (961791) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571507)

Finally, that bug has annoyed me for a long time, especially when I tried to search with the synaptic package manager.

Is PulseAudio still there? (0, Flamebait)

malevolentjelly (1057140) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571337)

Are the timidity packages still broken in amd64?

How about Wine?

Will my cardreaders be detected as CD-ROMs and fail to mount because they're not ISO 9660 formatted?

Have they sorted out their issues with DAAP and iTunes 7 yet?

Does networkmanager still corrupt its own configuration files?

Is their compositing layer still ugly and shaky on middle-end modern hardware? ...if not, doesn't seem like News to me.

Bottom line: Are they still advertising features that don't really work properly?

Someone let me know when this platform grows up. I'll stick with Vista in the interim.

Good luck with that (5, Informative)

SleptThroughClass (1127287) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571401)

I wish you luck. My upgrade doesn't recognize my sound card, Pidgin starts but displays nothing, and Totem hangs (MPlayer does work). And the network configuration tool shows both wired and Bluetooth links, but it doesn't seem to actually use the Bluetooth link for data (even if I disconnect the wired LAN cable). Sure do look purty, though.

so what does ubuntu server have over debian (1)

systematical (1394991) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571411)

I've been a Debian user since 2005 and have used it for running various servers. I have been pleased with its performance etc. So why would I switch to Ubuntu server edition? Does it give me a nice GUI to manage more difficult things like using samba as a domain controller? Easier management of email? How about apache, do I get a GUI that will allow me to forget about mod-rewrite rules? Just wondering, cause if so then I'd be willing to give it a shot, otherwise I'll stuck to managing my Debian servers via the shell.

KDE vs Gnome (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25571509)

I don't get it why Ubuntu is so populair, Kubuntu (with KDE as window manager and not Gnome) is faster/stabler/more mature imho.

In real news Ultimate Edition 2 for Inrepid is out (1)

shareme (897587) | more than 5 years ago | (#25571537)

In real news Ultimate Edition 2 for Intrepid is out... GAMES!
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