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Asus To Phase Out Sub-10" Eee PCs

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the taking-the-sub-out-of-subnotebook dept.

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jeevesbond writes "The Register reports that Asus president Jerry Shen has revealed his company will be phasing out all sub-10" Eee PCs. According to Shen, the 'standard' netbook next year will be a 10" model with a hard drive running XP. Shen also said XP is outselling GNU/Linux on netbooks by a ratio of 7:3. This is somewhat contrary to news from the UK earlier in the year that GNU/Linux units were out of stock while XP machines sat unsold. Are Brits more open-minded than the rest of the world when it comes to choosing an OS?"

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Well "Works With Linux" is a feature to me (4, Insightful)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604323)

So I'll be going with the netbook with the most features when I am purchasing.

Major Misquote by The Register. (3, Informative)

Odder (1288958) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604523)

He was not talking about sales, he was talking about preloads. Digitimes has the actual quote [digitimes.com] :

The ratio of Eee PCs preloaded Windows XP and Linux stands at 7:3.

This contradicts common sense but not the fact that XP EEEPCs don't fly off shelves.

Re:Major Misquote by The Register. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25604829)

And so another conversation thread goes on, wrong and without you Twitter. Ha ha.

It's a trap. (1)

right handed (1310633) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604949)

The size of the trap will be apparent when M$ starts selling "Vista light" and Windows 7 through MSI. Other, cheaper netbooks will arrive from China with GNU/Linux and that's where the bigger market will go. Windows Sheeple will be split between XP and the newer OS, leaving Asus high and dry but unable to fix things. XP netooks should already be clogging shelves everywhere. They won't sell better later.

Re:Well "Works With Linux" is a feature to me (5, Interesting)

frieko (855745) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604715)

This is absurd. Isn't the whole point of a netbook that it's small, light and efficient? Why would you get rid of the smallest model and the most efficient OS? This smells of a backdoor M$ deal. If they offered both OS's on the same hardware I'm sure the picture would be much different.

Rolling two stories into one post, my friend bought an Asus Aspire with linux. The other day she asked me what the NewEgg return policy was. It took me a while to pry it out of her that she couldn't get on her university's VPN in Linux. I installed the linux client for her. Point is, her first impulse was to return it rather than attempt the learning curve.

Re:Well "Works With Linux" is a feature to me (4, Insightful)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604901)

Thus is the power of Microsoft... the invisible power over the minds of its users.

10"? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25604327)

Hmm. Most slashdotters only have a 2" penis.

Re:10"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25604773)

Most slashdotters only have a 2" penis.

Wow, that's a pretty thick penis.

Or... (4, Insightful)

wren337 (182018) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604329)

... did they overship Linux pcs by a ratio of 6:4?

Re:Or... (1, Redundant)

dotancohen (1015143) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604485)

... did they overship Linux pcs by a ratio of 6:4?

Really, the 7:3 ratio seems a bit too accurate. Maybe they are recalculating based on the earlier story that one in four Linux machines are being returned?

Re:Or... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25604897)

The number wasn't one in four for linux machines being returned. It was that the Acer One model with linux on it was being returned 4x as often as the XP model. Asus claims the EEE return rates for Linux and XP are approximately the same. This is likely just because Acer picked a limp distribution.

Re:Or... (1)

dotancohen (1015143) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604935)

The number wasn't one in four for linux machines being returned. It was that the Acer One model with linux on it was being returned 4x as often as the XP model. Asus claims the EEE return rates for Linux and XP are approximately the same. This is likely just because Acer picked a limp distribution.

Thanks. There's nothing wrong with /. modding when my post containing wrong information gets modded to +3 Informative,right?

(please mod down my earlier post, thanks)

Linux on Netbooks (5, Insightful)

ArkiMage (578981) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604331)

How many people buy the XP models and subsequently install Ubuntu or some other Linux distro though? For reasons of better RAM or Drive or battery option availability in the XP bundled version of the machine.

Re:Linux on Netbooks (4, Informative)

Yst (936212) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604385)

Yes, in the Aspire One community, this has similarly become a common piece of advice: buy the XP model for its better battery; install Ubuntu.

I bought the Linux version partly for the sake of supporting the Linux product, and partly for the sake of the slightly lower price. But now I'm starting to kick myself, wishing I bought the XP version and installed Linux. It's kind of a Catch-22. The best Linux netbooks available have XP installed on them.

A losing game. (1)

Odder (1288958) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604599)

This is an all around loser for Asus because it introduces risk. The preload policy is GNU/Linux unfriendly. Can you trust a company like that to not load the next version with crap hardware you can't use?

The quote, by the way, was for preinstalls not sales. You might also notice that sales and revenue are down for them. Pitty, M$ wrecked them.

Re:Linux on Netbooks (1)

abigor (540274) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604775)

I'm interested in getting an Aspire One. Is Ubuntu the preferred distro of choice on that thing? Is it tough to get stock Debian on there? Yes, yes, I know, justfuckinggoogleit.com...

Re:Linux on Netbooks (2, Insightful)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604405)

You have to be a complete tool to buy the XP model and then install linux. In a few of their models you get a worse spec machine for paying the windows tax. 8GB less solid state storage.

It's a shame they are phasing out the sub 10" models though. I feel the 8.9 was the sweet spot for netbooks because it's small as possible, but has a "modern" screen resolution without which websites are too cramped these days.

Re:Linux on Netbooks (1)

nbert (785663) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604565)

It's not necessarily a windows tax. MS put some (non-public) limitations on netbooks running XP. For example it's pretty obvious that only 160GB and 1 GB RAM are allowed. For that reason the EeeBox running XP ships in most of Europe with half the RAM as the Linux version. The price of an additional GB does not match the cost of an OEM license.

When netbooks get better specs this will become even more obvious. I guess that people will start buying the Linux version and put XP on it. Or MS will change the terms again - originally the HDD had to be smaller than 80GB, so they already doubled this limit.

Re:Linux on Netbooks (2, Informative)

mckillnm (751344) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604407)

I bought a Dell Mini 9 a few days ago.. Bought the XP version.. ONLY for the increased HD capacity. XP is gone, Ubuntu is on, but I guess that will be chalked up as a XP sale. The small price difference probably means that I'll never try and send back the XP disk and look for a refund. Just my 0.5c worth!

Re:Linux on Netbooks (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25604463)

That is exactly what I did. I bought the Windows XP version (1000 HA) and dual booted XP and ubuntu eee. I primarily use ubuntu and hardly use windows, although I find it handy to have around when I need to flash a windows mobile phone, or I end up with some windows software.. At least no matter where I go I will have both operating systems at my finger tips.

Re:Linux on Netbooks (0)

dotancohen (1015143) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604491)

How many people buy the XP models and subsequently install Ubuntu or some other Linux distro though? For reasons of better RAM or Drive or battery option availability in the XP bundled version of the machine.

Or for that matter, how many buy the Linux version and then return it? Wasn't it something like 4:1 in an earlier story?

http://dotancohen.com/heb/wallashops.html [dotancohen.com]

Re:Linux on Netbooks (1)

argiedot (1035754) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604801)

That was MSI. Asus actually reported that there didn't seem to be any significant difference, IIRC.

Re:Linux on Netbooks (1)

dotancohen (1015143) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604911)

That was MSI. Asus actually reported that there didn't seem to be any significant difference, IIRC.

Without having read the thread, I thought that it referred to netbooks in general. Thanks.

Re:Linux on Netbooks (1)

dvice_null (981029) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604495)

My friend did that.

Re:Linux on Netbooks (2, Interesting)

xs650 (741277) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604571)

I did when I bought an eee 1000. I have some software and automotive diagnostics hardware that I need XP to run.

I also made it dual boot and spend most of my netbook time running Linux.

Re:Linux on Netbooks (1, Insightful)

Idbar (1034346) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604999)

That's what kept me far from the linux based netbooks. The hard drive capacities are larger. Besides, I don't know if I want to install linux later, but I might need windows, and I know linux is free. So why shouldn't I get more HDD and a license if the prices are fairly similar?

Moreover, I stopped by Circuit City for example and watched that the linux version of the Aspired one makes it look like a toy. You can play there in front of a $300 laptop, and does a representative comes at you to ask you anything? No. You must go specifically looking for it. A regular buyer won't buy Linux just because. Particularly, when marketing dictates what they should buy: "Uhm.. everyone is buying Macs, perhaps they `just work`". To that, add the fact that people that is window shopping, sees a tiny little laptop and the will think that's not appropriate for them.

People need to realize their processing needs as much as power requirements when buying cars. Sorry for the analogy, but people would by a Mac because of the processing requirements, as much as they could by a ford mustang for it's engine power, even when they don't need either.

news not contrary (4, Insightful)

Khashishi (775369) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604335)

The news that XP models outsell GNU/Linux models 7:3 is not contrary to the news that GNU/Linux models are out of stock, if the ratio of XP models to GNU/Linux models stocked is greater than 7:3.

Who'da thunk the ratio would be so close?

Re CLose Ratio (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25604569)

7:3 is pretty close considering that in other markets the Windows share is over 90%.
Also this is XP not VISTA we are talking about.
If the users were forced into VISTA would the ratio be even closer? Probably.

Re:news not contrary (3, Insightful)

ToasterMonkey (467067) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604641)

Lets be real here, all a ratio better than 1/10 Linux to Windows says is the devices are attractive to geeks. That's cute and all - give Asus a cookie, but it doesn't speak for consumer acceptance of Linux.

how quickly you forget (1)

GNUChop (1310629) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604789)

Asus sold hundreds of thousands of these things before M$ put their thumb on them. The original models did not have a Windows option and demand for such a thing has never been proved. Relative sales features have not been mentioned [slashdot.org] and won't mean much if they are. M$ got Asus to rig the hardware a year ago so that people would "chose" XP over GNU/Linux [slashdot.org] .

Where private interests collude to screw the public, government must intervene. Xandros should come out with anti-trust guns blazing over this, but "lie down and die" was probably part of their deal with M$. Remember, they too took M$'s infamous Novell patent deal. This will eventually kill both Asus and Xandros. It has already robbed us all of a good hardware/software combination. When you look there will be nothing but XP on the shelf which may or may not work with your choice of distribution.

Re:news not contrary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25604799)

However it does speak to what I like to call the "geek factor" -- something companies always seem to forget about.

Non-geeks tend to get their advice from geeks. This means that if a product doesn't match up to the geek's expectations, it gets a bad review, and the non-geek doesn't buy it.

I firmly believe the adoption of Linux got Asus LOTS of good geek cred for the EeePC and not offering it anymore means, at least, I won't be giving them a good review anymore. And that means I'll be pushing people towards to Acer unit.

Misquoted (2, Interesting)

gnutoo (1154137) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604659)

Sales ratios were not mentioned [slashdot.org] . The submitter was right to wonder and so should we all.

The real question is how M$ turned Asus around so fast. There was no Windows version when these things were introduced and sold like hot cakes. Asus revenues and profits are down since they started making versions no one wants. What did they hold over Asus to make them do this to themselves?

Good idea (4, Insightful)

HalAtWork (926717) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604341)

And since only a few percentage of computers ship with high-end graphics cards, we should just eliminate them altogether. Makes sense now that we're living in the twilight zone. 30% of your userbase asks for something? Who cares!

XP outsells Linux, guess why (4, Informative)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604351)

I sat posting this on my XP-equipped EeePC 901. Why XP? Because I can't find the Linux version at any store around my area. Whenever I ask whether they'll offer the Linux versions, store managers invariably answer "we won't offer them, they won't sell, people are afraid of non-Windows machine". Can you say chicken and egg?

Oh and yes, and another thing, the Linux GUIs offered on netbooks are designed for retards. That's also perhaps geeks don't buy them. When I have a minute, I'll install Debian on mine, but even if I had managed to find the Linux Eee, I'd have zapped the original distro.

Re:XP outsells Linux, guess why (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25604383)

last time i checked here in nz the linux and windows versions of atom based eees were priced the same.

Re:XP outsells Linux, guess why (3, Informative)

mollymoo (202721) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604555)

True, but you get a larger SSD with the Linux machines (20 GB vs 12 GB for the XP models).

Re:XP outsells Linux, guess why (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25604483)

Oh and yes, and another thing, the Linux GUIs offered on netbooks are designed for retards. That's also perhaps geeks don't buy them.

Oy!

Maybe they're trying to sell those machines to non-geeks? You know, trying to penetrate into the Windows market and get the Windows users to switch. What better way then to make the GUI easier for the non technical people.

Re:XP outsells Linux, guess why (4, Interesting)

Masa (74401) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604859)

Oh and yes, and another thing, the Linux GUIs offered on netbooks are designed for retards. That's also perhaps geeks don't buy them.

I have an eee PC 901 with Linux. First, the 20 GB SSD is a sweet deal compared to 12 GB with Win XP. Second, the Asus has made excellent job with Xandros Linux to provide easy-to-use, usable-with-everyday-tasks operating system. When I bought my eee PC, I was confident that I'll install Unbuntu eee immediately to it, but now, after a week of use, I actually like the preinstalled Linux. It provides everything I need - and I consider myself a geek - and it has a terminal, which is great, because I don't necessarily need any fancy GUI systems, the shell is enough for most "geek stuff" for me.

So, in my opinion, the preinstalled Linux is fine for non-geeks. And that's the target audience. But I enjoy it also, and if I some day find it "retarded", I can always install some other Linux distribution and be happy with it. And so can any one geek, who don't like the default installation. So, I don't get your complaint actually at all.

Re:XP outsells Linux, guess why (2, Interesting)

jonbryce (703250) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604985)

The HP netbook has SuSE Enterprise, so not all netbooks have retarded GUIs.

ubuntu-eee.com (5, Informative)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604993)

Oh and yes, and another thing, the Linux GUIs offered on netbooks are designed for retards. That's also perhaps geeks don't buy them. When I have a minute, I'll install Debian on mine, but even if I had managed to find the Linux Eee, I'd have zapped the original distro.

Have you considered Ubuntu Eee [wikipedia.org] , based on Ubuntu Netbook Remix?

Of course XP is outselling Linux... (2, Informative)

padonak (687721) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604369)

In my country, only XP models are available. All the retail networks here buy them from one or two importers, who only provide XP models.
That way, they can charge for them almost as much as for real laptops.
Wasn't this clear from the beginning, when they only started offering XP as a choice? Soon you won't be able to run Linux on them at all, not without tricks like ndiswrapper at least...

Asus To Phase Out Sub-10" Eee PCs (2, Interesting)

omar.sahal (687649) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604397)

If Linux is free, and can support any platform x86 or otherwise (not using x86 can save even more money), it has a future on the sub notebook PC. I don't expect the companies in China and else where to care, not as long as they can charge less and tempt customers to buy their goods. Its still selling on dells etc (even after over a year) and if Asus don't satisfy the market some else will.

XP outsells Linux because... (5, Informative)

The Famous Druid (89404) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604403)

...it's so hard to find a Linux one.

I searched the computer retailers of Melbourne for 3 weeks before I found one that had a Linux 901 in stock, and bought their last one.

Memo to the geniuses of retail: customers can't buy if you don't have stock.

Re:XP outsells Linux because... (1)

abigor (540274) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604595)

If the demand was there, they'd be ordering them in and placing big signs around the store saying, "Linux EEE sold out - more coming soon!", kind of like they did with the Wii. But there are no such signs, because there is no demand. You are not a typical buyer.

Re:XP outsells Linux because... (2, Interesting)

argiedot (1035754) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604853)

Well, how many sales were there before they started offering Windows XP? Somewhere in the low hundreds of thousands, no? So that's some pretty good success there.

Re:XP outsells Linux because no linux available... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25604881)

He's far from the only buyer..... I called about 15 shops over the course of two weeks trying to get a linux 901 and they were all sold out. In the end I bit the bullet and bought a windows one, and installed FreeBSD on it.

XP is closer to "just works" for most (0)

hessian (467078) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604437)

Among those of us who work with computers, of course we're going to pick the Linux variant.

But for the your average person, what makes a computer valuable to them is their favorite software. Windows XP installs quickly, runs that software, doesn't crash much, and with newer security measures is unlikely to get infected.

For Linux to compete, it should aim at producing distributions that support as much hardware as XP, have similar friendly installations, and possibly -- dear god did I say it -- run XP software, because win32 is the biggest software base in the world and it's what users want.

Re:XP is closer to "just works" for most (2, Interesting)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604573)

That is just about the polar opposite of my experience. XP is showing its age because shoe-horning it onto an eeepc 901 was a horrible task. The installer is just dumb and can't handle anything but a CD-drive, which I don't have.

I then used the incredible unetbootin [sourceforge.net] to try out a bunch of linux distros from USB sticks and even an SDcard, finally settling on intrepid. Unfortunately it didn't quite "just work" because of the wireless card. (Big surprise)

The netbook platform is unique I feel in not needing the usual windows baggage anyway.

Re:XP is closer to "just works" for most (1, Informative)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604873)

That is just about the polar opposite of my experience. XP is showing its age because shoe-horning it onto an eeepc 901 was a horrible task. The installer is just dumb and can't handle anything but a CD-drive, which I don't have.

Sorry, that's wrong. I installed XP on my eeepc from a USB stick without any difficulty. Of course, since I have the old 7" model with a 2gb SSD, I spent quite a bit of time beforehand with nLite, ripping the guts out of XP. Making my flash drive bootable and then installing XP from it took very little time, in comparison.

If you're really having problems figuring out how to make XP install from a USB drive, you can skip the hassle of doing it manually by using the MultiBoot [boot-land.net] utility provided by the wonderful folks over at BootLand.

Re:XP is closer to "just works" for most (4, Interesting)

badpazzword (991691) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604657)

Windows XP installs quickly,

1. Does it matter for Joe Sixpack how much time does XP take to install if Joe Sixpack doesn't do the install himself?

runs that software

2. If Joe Sixpack uses Internet Exporer because he doesn't know there is another browser, why should he care about using Firefox instead? Same could be said for the rest.

doesn't crash much, and with newer security measures is unlikely to get infected.

3. With the right drivers you mean. But Joe Sixpack didn't install Windows so he doesn't care about that does he? ;)

and with newer security measures is unlikely to get infected.

4. I would be surprised to learn about netbooks shipping with SP3. If they aren't then they are unlikely to get infected if 'getting infected' means the stock Norton antivirus tells you so.

For Linux to compete, it should aim at producing distributions that support as much hardware as XP, have similar friendly installations, and possibly -- dear god did I say it -- run XP software, because win32 is the biggest software base in the world and it's what users want.

5. Ubuntu 7.10 supported my computer's driver infinitely better than the stock Windows XP version. I had to download the drivers using Ubuntu and move them onto the Windows partition.

6. The setup is as friendly if not friendlier.

7. Wine anybody?

8. Have you actually tried Ubuntu 8.04?

Re:XP is closer to "just works" for most (1)

mweather (1089505) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604749)

But for the your average person, what makes a computer valuable to them is their favorite software.

Which for the vast majority of computer users is the only software they ever use: IE, Outlook Express, and Minesweeper.

Re:XP is closer to "just works" for most (2, Interesting)

jonbryce (703250) | more than 5 years ago | (#25605027)

I've not seen anyone use Outlook Express for a long time. They use Internet Explorer for their email - via a webmail service. I guess that's why Windows 7 isn't going to ship with an email client.

cheap PC (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25604457)

I am a software engineer with a degree living in South Africa. I like Linux, but bluntly put - I will not use it for my own machine soon. My work place only uses Microsoft, our customers only use Microsoft, so I only use Microsoft. Even further put, out company has two sub contracting divisions. One doing installations and support, and the other which I work for being development. I don't work for free. I never will - I rather become an electrician than consider becoming a linux developer. My 2c worth! I worked very hard for this career - you don't like it, then sell your computer and watch TV.

Re:cheap PC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25604493)

www.livejournal.com

Re:cheap PC (4, Interesting)

dotancohen (1015143) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604525)

I don't work for free. I never will - I rather become an electrician than consider becoming a linux developer. My 2c worth! I worked very hard for this career - you don't like it, then sell your computer and watch TV.

Who says Linux devs work for free? Do you know what we pay for LabView on Linux? Or what I am willing to pay for Photoshop?

Re:cheap PC (1)

AceofSpades19 (1107875) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604553)

And obviously anyone that ever contributes code to any F/OSS project never gets paid, especially not the people that work at Google, IBM, Red Hat or Novell

Re:cheap PC (3, Interesting)

dvice_null (981029) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604561)

> I don't work for free. I never will - I rather become an electrician than consider becoming a linux developer

I've got paid for developing software for Linux. There are software companies that write software just for Linux. Just because Linux is free doesn't mean that you could get money when writing software for it.

Also if you must write software for Windows, you can still do it with free cross platform libraries and get support for other platforms for free. Sometimes you can even save in development when choosing these libraries, because they are so good.

At work I use Windows because I'm asked to. At home I use Linux. I write software at work for the company, but at home I write it for the world.

Re:cheap PC (-1, Troll)

FishWithAHammer (957772) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604755)

Problem is, most cross-platform toolkits kind of suck ass (though there are individual libraries on a smaller scale that are quite nice). The only really worthwhile C++ cross-platform toolkit I can think of is Qt, and that's not free to develop with. GTK sucks on Windows, wxWindows sucks everywhere, and while I personally love working with .NET and Mono, WinForms on Mono is not there yet.

Targeting a specific platform is generally significantly easier to accomplish and has the benefit of working within its specific paradigm, so to speak. And frankly, there's very little reason to target Linux, and only slightly more reason to target OS X.

Re:cheap PC (2, Informative)

argiedot (1035754) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604893)

Not only is Qt under the GPL, you can also link to it if you use any of a whole bunch of licenses [trolltech.com] .

Re:cheap PC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25604959)

Uh, yeah, ignore that. Something made me read your post again, and it is suddenly blatantly obvious that you meant 'free' as in free of cost, the normal meaning. Heh, sorry.

Re:cheap PC (2, Informative)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604909)

Qt is not free to develop with? funny because it being under gpl says differently. Sure if your trying to make a proprietary product then you'll run into problems, but you can develop your program at zero cost, then either use a GPL compatible license for your product (nothing says you cant sell it) or pay for a license.

it's all about cartel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25604459)

microsoft money hat hard at work. also lately Asus seem to have study the worst decision sega ever made and started to use it's strategy with their own brand!

Now, if by 10 inch they mean apple kind of "coup", like removing all trace of a bezel (a bit like some fujitsu laptop) it would be neat, but i don't beleive it.

Vote "It works". (2, Insightful)

Ostracus (1354233) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604477)

"Are Brits more open-minded than the rest of the world when it comes to choosing an OS?"

Here's a novel thought. Some may prefer a Microsoft OS. Bringing up "but they're closed minded because they didn't pick what I wanted them to pick" just makes your side look bad.

I'm sure they're not wrong but... (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604489)

Maybe it's cclonlone.com's user base but while waiting to purchase one the Linux versions were always going faster.

Even if I wanted XP I'd get the Linux version and then install Windows on it to get the extra storage.

Contrary to what? (3, Insightful)

ToasterMonkey (467067) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604519)

Contrary, huh? Out of stock could mean the supply was low. Who in their right mind would _overestimate_ sales of Linux clients?
Sitting on shelves could mean they shipped more than enough. Without knowing how much of each shipped, WTF is the point? Guaranteed, they shipped assloads more with XP than Linux. We just throw supply out the window and pretend demand for Linux is uber high here??

Look, Linux needs to take off on its own merits, not with silly twisted theories on Slashdot where things are cheerier than they really are. Linux & OSS are going to start getting some black eyes if you all keep pretending it's something it's not.

Re:Contrary to what? (1)

Zombie Ryushu (803103) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604589)

I'm completely aware of the dire situation Linux is in. I also know that Linux is really in some pain right now. We really need the big boys in the Linux world to start playing some serious hardball. If I might ask, Where is Samba 4.0? Active Directory has had dominance for nearly ten years.

I think we have been focused on survival to long and need to start worrying about victory. Linux really needs to develops some killer applications that take Linux on the offensive.

Angst at the Laptop Makers (0, Flamebait)

Zombie Ryushu (803103) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604521)

This not only goes for the Eee, but alot of Laptop makers too. We have to find a way for XP to stop steamrolling every pro-Linux operation that shows up. OLPC, Classmate, EeePC, one way or another, Linux has to find away to bury XP. I'm serious. The Linux movement cannot continue to take losses like this.

I say that somehow, we find a way to make retailers lives a living Hell if they want to continue to shovel XP only models of stuff, and I want some way concieved of to REALLY damage MS's bottom line and make them bleed.

Technical, Legal, I don't care, find a way to win, and make it happen.

Re:Angst at the Laptop Makers (0)

FishWithAHammer (957772) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604771)

Yeah, that's gonna really work. Perhaps people prefer XP? Has that thought permeated the cotton swabbing around that small brain of yours? Hell, I work on Linux software and I prefer XP.

Freetard, go home.

Re:Angst at the Laptop Makers (2, Insightful)

Doctor_Jest (688315) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604969)

No, they don't "prefer"... they are "used to". Big difference.

The problem is one of familiarity. XP sells because it is what most people remember how to use and think that anything that _isn't_ XP is somehow going to take 300 years to figure out.

And trust me when I say.. your love of XP while working on Linux is not the rule... In spite of the "everyone I know loves XP" anecdote (which I'm sure is the response to the statement.)

Re:Angst at the Laptop Makers (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604861)

We have to find a way for XP to stop steamrolling every pro-Linux operation that shows up.

How about selling ARM-powered handheld computers that run Linux? These might be Android smart phones, Pandora gaming PDAs, or anything else that doesn't have Intel inside. Good luck trying to port Windows Mobile to all these.

Re:Angst at the Laptop Makers (1)

Zombie Ryushu (803103) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604925)

I don't think so. There are too many Linux applications that are x86 specific. x86 architecture is fine, just, there needs to be a Linux equivilent to a Mac. (and no, OSX is not valid.)

30% is not bad market share at all (2, Insightful)

FranTaylor (164577) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604535)

Considering that Linux has just about zero advertising, and that people who choose it are embarking on something new and different to them. No, 30% is not bad at all. It will only go up as Linux gets tweaked to run better on this kind of hardware.

Re:30% is not bad market share at all (3, Insightful)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604609)

It's much higher than what than on the desktop market. In fact it's larger than Mac & Linux combined on desktops so I would call it a success. The only reason it's not larger is companies wussed out and started offering XP. However, as far as I can remember the EEE wasn't exactly unpopular before XP came out on it.

I think it's a case of companies not wanting to pay for support (with XP they probably go to MS for help) and they lack confidence to keep at it.

What do people do with netbooks that really need Windows? Gaming is pretty much out of the question and let's face it the system is too small to be a main system so how many apps do you really need on it and that can't be found on Linux?

Re:30% is not bad market share at all (1)

rmcd (53236) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604905)

Absolutely. Suppose you had predicted 3 years ago that there would be a class of consumer machine where Linux would have a 30% market share. This would have been considered very good news in the /. community. This is a great success for Linux.

The interesting question is whether the new Linux buyers are "sticky". If they continue to run Linux, netbooks will be remembered as the initial toehold for Linux on the desktop.

eee 1000 (3, Interesting)

spandex_panda (1168381) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604551)

I really like the sound of the 10" 40g SSD linux eee 1000, but it is nowhere to be found on Australian computer selling websites. There are a few for sale on ebay from the US but they come to ~$800 AUD at the current exchange rate.

I would buy one with Linux installed if given the choice, but would immediately install ubuntu's netbook edition or eeebuntu or whatever seems to be the going version of the moment.

I prefer the smaller sized netbooks (5, Informative)

gameguy1957 (937850) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604557)

Looks like their going to lose sales then. The schools I'm in charge of find the smaller ones better for the students. It's used as an appliance to type, print and for some web browsing. If we wanted a larger sized machine with a hard drive and XP then we'll just buy standard notebooks. If they give us no options in the size we want then we'll just buy several hundred of them from another manufacturer. -JM

Bought on price, Returned soon after (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25604563)

The XP version at 699 sits next to linux version at 599. Buyer says, blimey! the bloody staff mismarked! and runs out with the 599 "steal". Once home, he soon realizes he was the sucker and back he and it go. This is the "Wallmart experience" of Linux machines.

It's about Europe, not just UK (4, Funny)

BhaKi (1316335) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604585)

Are Brits more open-minded than the rest of the world when it comes to choosing an OS?

Microsoft's Lock-In strategies have stopped working in Europe, thanks to European Commission's efforts to make Microsoft play by fair rules.

It's as expected (1, Insightful)

Kupfernigk (1190345) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604591)

The smaller screen really has no advantages at all - any cost saving is more than outweighed by those missing 224 pixels across - so why have more skus than you need? And the XP thing is obvious. My phone software will not run on Linux. My Palm desktop won't run under Linux. I could probably get my mobile internet modem to work under Linux - but why bother, especially as any problems won't be supported. Why do I want my netbook? Because it works when I travel.

Sadly, the truth is that when it comes to an appliance like a netbook, I fundamentally do not care what OS it runs so long as the performance is adequate and all the applications I actually need run on it. Thunderbird? Check. Firefox? Check. OOo 3? Check. Java 6? Check. The fact is, FOSS has in a real sense shot Linux in the foot by running so well on XP/Server 2003. While XP is available, this will continue. Vista, now...that would be a different matter. If I was limited to Vista, I wouldn't want to try to run on a single Atom CPU.

XP more functional anyway (0, Flamebait)

Phizzle (1109923) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604597)

Get the XP version so you can run all the boring real world software and run Backtrack 3 for your naughty Linux needs - works GREAT!

Linux versions are hard to get in some countries (4, Informative)

Peter H.S. (38077) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604621)

Where I live the Linux versions of the eeepc 901 are impossible to get, Asus simply refuses to release them. They give no reasons, but it is well known that MS have been very active in negotiating with vendors like Asus in trying to curb Linux version sales. It is interesting to note in this regard how MS has backed down on their "maximum 80GB hdd" for using MS-XP, since Asus are selling 120GB XP version of their eeepc's.

Anyway, I find it impressive that Linux sales amounts to a whopping 30% of the eeepc's.

--
Regards

So no more small PCs? (5, Insightful)

Microlith (54737) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604645)

I thought half the draw of the Eee PC wasn't just the price but the size. Why are they going closer and closer to the size of regular laptops and away from the 8" size?

If they had released a 7" model without the huge bezel around the scree I might have picked one up. Looks like I'll be looking to one of their competitors.

Re:So no more small PCs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25605011)

I personally think 10 inches is about the ideal size (of course many may disagree).
The smallest eeepc's available are actually closer to 9 inches than 8. Many people think that the 700 series models are smaller than the 900 series, but they are actually almost the same size, it's just that on the 700 series, the screen doesn't span the full width of the device.

So with their smallest models basically being 9 inches, they are basically increasing size by 1 inch. Is that 1 inch *really* a dealbreaker? With that 1 inch of size comes many advantages, such as a more spacious keyboard that you can actually type comfortably on, or a larger screen resolution.

While small devices are nice, there is a point at which the size can begin impacting usability. I don't want something that I can't type on, or if I can't read web sites without scrolling around sideways.

If you want a small device that can fit in your pocket, get a smartphone or something. (I completely fail to see the appeal of those, by the way, because I mean seriously, how the hell can you actually do anything on those?!) A 10 inch netbook is still way smaller and lighter than a 15 inch 5 pound notebook, and can still handle most of the functionality that you would use the notebook for.

Glad I bought an Acer Aspire One then (2, Insightful)

Reed Solomon (897367) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604655)

Aside from the Linpus OS, at least Acer doesn't easily roll over and die when it comes to Microsoft. Honestly, these companies have a chance to compete in the same place Apple is, but they're choosing to play it safe with Microsoft rather than create an environment that would be far superior for them. Yes, its partially the fault of poorly trained salespeople, and poorly targetted and marketed products. So fix that. /typed on an aspire one running linux.

Linpus (1)

spandex_panda (1168381) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604697)

How can an OS called 'Linpus' inspire confidence in scared ignorant consumers! At least Ubuntu doesn't sound like the glowing yellow stuff leaking out of giant servers at Linus' house.

Did a comparison at a store near us. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25604661)

I took my Dad over to a store near us that had a variety of them. I was excited to show him Linux running on one until we discovered that it was completely locked up. The mouse would move but otherwise it was dead. He seemed to think the XP versions were cool. Not sure why he wasn't impressed with the greatness of Linux and its legendary stability. At least he was more impressed with them then he was by the Apple section.

Obligatory bad car analogy (2, Interesting)

PPH (736903) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604681)

My local Porsche dealer is out of stock on their Carrera GTs. Meanwhile, the Ford dealer still has plenty of Fiestas on their lot. May I assume that the GT is outselling the Fiesta?

Re:Obligatory bad car analogy (1)

ZerdZerd (1250080) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604827)

I'd buy the Fiesta, and install Porche on it.

Maybe, JUST maybe, Asus knows what they say??? (1, Troll)

Toll_Free (1295136) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604723)

Maybe they can't find the Linux versions, since XP is outselling them. Hence, they will ship more of what is selling.

The fact that they are dropping the linux distro version is de facto evidence that they are not selling as well.

Supply and demand. If the demand was so high for the linux versions, they would be SHIPPING more. That's the bottom line, whatever sells, is what the companies ship. It's not like Asus doesn't know how to market a computer, build a computer, or ship computers, they are one of the largest OEM's out there. Anyone second guessing them needs a shot in the arm of some serious reality.

Sucks, to be sure. I like Linux. BUT, like most people, I tire of the endless "getting something to work". I also tire of the constant "That's not what I've seen with (insert MS OS here)....". XP / Vista works. Just use some decent hardware, stop trying to get your bleeding edge graphics card or 1999 ATI PCI card to work, and you won't have NEAR the problems.

And for the "rebooting" necessary when installing MS OS's, get over it. It really causes problems because you have to reboot 2 or 3 times when installing?

And lastly, WTF is this "Windows sucks, because after I install everything I want, it takes FOREVER to boot up"... That's the fault of the software, not the underlying OS.

Ubuntu takes JUST as long as XP on identical hardware, after installing only a few programs on either one. Basic, simple, fact of life. Just because you can fork a process to background when booting up (I ran across forking the networking to background on Ubuntu to speed up boot process..... Sure, it works, and also requires me to wait up to 30 seconds after the login screen appears to have NETWORKING... Hence, it takes another 30 seconds AFTER the login screen appears to be an actual capable o/s (I use it for file serving as well as a basic living room PC)).

Sheesh. Common sense prevails.

--Toll_Free

Re:Maybe, JUST maybe, Asus knows what they say??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25604889)

The fact that they are dropping the linux distro version is de facto evidence that they are not selling as well.

No it's not. Most people I know who have the eee bought the 1000H from zipzoomfly because it was cheaper than anywhere else and HAS BETTER HARDWARE and immediately installed ubuntu on it.

Availability, parity of features, and an inability to actually RETURN XP and get your Microsoft Tax back may account for a skew.

Re:Maybe, JUST maybe, Asus knows what they say??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25605013)

Maybe they can't find the Linux versions, since XP is outselling them.

So let me get this strait, things that I can't find on shelves are being outsold? High-tech things? So the presence of the pile of PS3s in my local best buy is de facto evidence that they are outselling Wiis?

Color me skeptical about your "common sense prevailing" bit.

--Troll_Free (if only)

Not True, Flame bait (3, Interesting)

cenc (1310167) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604727)

That article, and the one it links to, are misquoting an answer to a conference call question with investors regarding if the netbooks under 10" where competing with the sales of their notebooks over 10". He said no, accept with their very small market for 11" notebooks. He also said nothing about increasing the amount of linux or windows. Just the raw number regarding what was sold.

Look for the audio recording of the conference call.

Fore hose this post, they are just baiting the linux community on slashdot.

Asus? (1)

seasunset (469481) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604751)

Dear Asus,

I write this post on a Xubuntu eeePC 1000 (originally a Linux eee).
My previous computer? An Asus. Before that? An Asus. Before that? An Asus. Before that? You guessed it right, an Asus. On these old cases I accepted paying the microsoft tax mainly because, at that time, Linux was not enough for all my desktop needs. Now Linux is more than enough for my desktop needs, actually it is even better than the MS stuff you are forcing on your costumers (costumers which should be your first priority).
My next computer? Surely one that does not force me to pay an MS tax. By the looks of it, you have lost a once loyal costumer.

Linux units harder to find! (1)

MilesNaismith (951682) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604787)

If you look at NewEgg for Asus B202 desktop, you can ONLY find the XP version. WTF?

GRR. Could ONLY buy the windows one in .au! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25604805)

I wanted the linux 901 but could only get the crappy windows one in Australia. I ended up biting the bullet and getting the windows one because I needed a mobile laptop right away... you as far as I know still can't get a linux one in Australia for love nor money. The only reason windows has dominated is because they didn't sell the linux one.

Reason for XP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25604811)

Well, for me personally the reason for getting a small EEEpc was to have a nice little compact laptop to use with 3G internet. Unfortunately its impossible to get any of the 3G USB modems that the telco operators here supply working in linux. Therefor, i choose the XP version too.

Acer Aspire One question (1)

British (51765) | more than 5 years ago | (#25604817)

I picked up the 120 gig Acer Aspire One last week since my 701 conked out on the display. My question: Why don't they offer a Linux version with the 120 gig or 160 gig drive? I bought the XP version since I know I was going to run out of space on the SSD drive. I actually enjoyed using the Xandros linux distro on the 701, but was dismayed to find out it wasn't free to install on another computer. Would have loved to continued using Linux on the Aspire one, but not with a small hard drive.

Here's the reason: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25604913)

They're too cheap.

ASUS Linux Support is non-existent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25604933)

I bought a T1000 with Xandros on it in September. Their software update program failed. Many emails and phone calls later, it still doesn't work. Their tech support doesn't know anything, and their Linux distro is broken. Of COURSE people are buying more WinXP models.

My solution: Install Ubuntu EEE (http://www.ubuntu-eee.com/). It's easy, works out of the box, and my EEE T1000 is now usable and updates itself as needed. No twiddling or tweaking necessary.

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