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Obama, McCain Campaigns Both Hacked, Files Compromised

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the nogoodniks-abound dept.

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dunezone writes "As the election ends, news is coming out from both campaigns on what happened behind closed doors. During the summer, the Obama campaign had their systems hacked, but so did McCain — and not by each other, but by a third party. '... both the FBI and the Secret Service came to the campaign with an ominous warning: "You have a problem way bigger than what you understand," an agent told Obama's team. "You have been compromised, and a serious amount of files have been loaded off your system." The following day, Obama campaign chief David Plouffe heard from White House chief of staff Josh Bolten, to the same effect: "You have a real problem ... and you have to deal with it." The Feds told Obama's aides in late August that the McCain campaign's computer system had been similarly compromised.'" Also from the article: "Officials at the FBI and the White House told the Obama campaign that they believed a foreign entity or organization sought to gather information on the evolution of both camps' policy positions — information that might be useful in negotiations with a future administration."

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Or it coult just be /b/tards having a bit of fun (4, Insightful)

jaxtherat (1165473) | more than 5 years ago | (#25651469)

I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Re:Or it coult just be /b/tards having a bit of fu (5, Funny)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 5 years ago | (#25651723)

My bet is someone trying to get a leg up in their Fantasy U.S. Elections league.

Re:Or it coult just be /b/tards having a bit of fu (5, Insightful)

liquidpele (663430) | more than 5 years ago | (#25652031)

I doubt it was anonymous. Basically a bunch of script kiddies.

More likely, it was what always seems to happen:
1) Bot-herder realizes one of his bots is in a valuable location.
2) Bot-herder sells control of the machine online, usually to the Chinese
3) Buyer then uses the machine to either get information or further hack into said organization.

Re:Or it coult just be /b/tards having a bit of fu (3, Insightful)

jaxtherat (1165473) | more than 5 years ago | (#25652325)

I doubt it was anonymous. Basically a bunch of script kiddies.

There are plenty of script kiddies that just call themselves anonymous, so the line is very blurry these days.

In Completely Unrelated News ... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25653251)

In completely unrelated news Russia is planning on moving Missles into the Baltic in response to the proposed missle shield ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7710362.stm [bbc.co.uk] ) ... Its a good thing that you Americans elected a president who's response to military agression is to sing kumbaya until the world declares peace with eachother.

Who.... (1)

18_Rabbit (663482) | more than 5 years ago | (#25651471)

So...was it the Chinese or the Russians?

Re:Who.... (5, Informative)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 5 years ago | (#25651953)

Our adversaries(even though China and Russia are technically our "allies") aren't the only ones who seek to gain from inside knowledge of foreign policy plans.

Israel [wrmea.com] is a good example but there are many others. Somebody hurry up and post other examples before some mods with sticky trigger fingers see this and mod me down for being a "racist Jew-hater".

Re:Who.... (5, Insightful)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 5 years ago | (#25652321)

Pffft, before you go jumping up on all the other countries who would want this info, given the current foreign policy of the US, I wouldn't at all be surprised it they weren't both hacked by inside sources - just to make them THINK it was another country "wanting to invade the proud US of A".

I mean seriously, all those paranoid big chiefs sitting in powerful seats within government organizations? They have careers to protect. Why not make whoever gets into power fearful of the "outside world and it's dangers" before they even get into office? Sure would help get their policy in line with the policy of aforementioned big chiefs in government seats.

Re:Who.... (4, Interesting)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 5 years ago | (#25652673)

You raise a good point. Even TFS says "'... both the FBI and the Secret Service came to the campaign with an ominous warning: 'You have a problem way bigger than what you understand,' an agent told Obama's team."

The old guard have spent the past 8 years stinking drunk with money and power and now 'Bama(and, apparently, most of the common Americans) wants change. Of course, that tinfoil hat theory implies that 'Bama and the old guard are at odds and Obama would be wise to reverse his stance re: telecom immunity.

Re:Who.... (5, Funny)

jcnnghm (538570) | more than 5 years ago | (#25653095)

Your tinfoil hat is cutting off the circulation to your brain again.

Re:Who.... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25653143)

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it"

-- Aristotle

Re:Who.... (5, Insightful)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | more than 5 years ago | (#25652887)

Why would Obama or McCain have secret foreign policy plans in their campaign planning computers? The sensitive data here was most likely canvassing, financing, and advertising plans. They'd be very useful to the other campaign, or to a party supporting either campaign and planning to influence the election. Maybe unaffiliated but supportive organizations like those of T Boone Pickens and his democratic equivalent had this done.

Re:Who spys on the US the most- you got it; (2, Insightful)

BubbaDave (1352535) | more than 5 years ago | (#25653269)

The US is most heavily spied upon by Israel, there's a long history of it. Unlike many who spy on the US, they don't do so to bring our system down, but to a) gain leverage to affect US policy b) learn about where we're heading c) technology (not saying its OK that their reasons are a bit less malevolent, their goals are just different) They're in the somewhat unusual situation of having the existence of their country somewhat tied to what the US does (loath they'd be to admit it, though) both directly in our policies regarding them, and our policies w.r.t. other actors in the region. Dave

Re:Who.... (1)

tnk1 (899206) | more than 5 years ago | (#25653529)

Um, China and Russia are not our allies. Not even in a loose interpretation of the word.

Or relations with them are cordial and we maintain trade links, but we are more likely to fight a war against them, rather than with them.

And no one should be surprised that Israel spies on us. Israel is a very small country that relies on the consistent good will of the West (particularly the US) and the might of their sword arm to stay alive, even today. Israel will feel its survival will depend on knowing exactly what sort of support they can get from the US. Our interests have not always coincided perfectly.

Re:Who.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25652275)

The Israelis.

Re:Who.... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25652839)

it was a demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutant

Uh huh.. (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 5 years ago | (#25651487)

and does this "foreign entity or organization" hang out on 4chan?

Re:Uh huh.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25652033)

4chan is like Drudge. They glom and over inflate shit.

Re:Uh huh.. (3, Insightful)

TriezGamer (861238) | more than 5 years ago | (#25652573)

I don't get the 4chan bashing -- /b/tards might be scum, but a large chunk of 4chan's userbase is quite civil, and many don't bother going to /b/.

Re:Uh huh.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25653387)

I don't get the 4chan bashing -- /b/tards might be scum, but a large chunk of 4chan's userbase is quite civil, and many don't bother going to /b/.

Many 4channer users are fine and upstanding--definitely not scum--people just like you. These people avoid /b/ and /b/-tards. They have boards to suit their [definitely not scummy] interests. Wholesome boards like /d/, /h/, /f/, /r/, /rs/, /s/, /t/, /hc/, ...

butt srsly folks, [citation needed] for "large chunk" for this to be "Informative"

Re:Uh huh.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25653795)

It's true, many of us are civil and generally follow the rules.

Also, GNAA.

Is that all? The IntarTubes have a solution! (4, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 5 years ago | (#25651501)

Officials at the FBI and the White House told the Obama campaign that they believed a foreign entity or organization sought to gather information on the evolution of both camps' policy positions

Is that all they're after? Pff. The Internet Archive [archive.org] already lets me do that. And if that's too much work, the candidates have already done the graphical diffs [versionista.com] for us!

/tongue in cheek

Re:Is that all? The IntarTubes have a solution! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25651985)

It was probably foreign hackers wanting to remove credit and "gift" card info for those $200 (untraceable) donations... What is George Soros's IP block anyway?

The Gorilla greater than the Chimp? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25652035)

Starting in January, this question will begin to be answered.

Re:Is that all? The IntarTubes have a solution! (5, Funny)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 5 years ago | (#25652567)

No, not the fake ones they publish. The secret ones they don't publish. The plans for world domination. The ones containing the election script written two years ago by the Illuminati's dictator for life: Ron Paul.

Re:Is that all? The IntarTubes have a solution! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25652863)

Mod parent up...that's fucking hilarious!

Re:Is that all? The IntarTubes have a solution! (5, Informative)

illumin8 (148082) | more than 5 years ago | (#25653139)

Did anyone read the rest of the article? I find it hilarious that Caribou Barbie went on an even bigger shopping spree than previously reported:

NEWSWEEK has also learned that Palin's shopping spree at high-end department stores was more extensive than previously reported. While publicly supporting Palin, McCain's top advisers privately fumed at what they regarded as her outrageous profligacy. One senior aide said that Nicolle Wallace had told Palin to buy three suits for the convention and hire a stylist. But instead, the vice presidential nominee began buying for herself and her family--clothes and accessories from top stores such as Saks Fifth Avenue and Neiman Marcus.

Wait, it gets better:

According to two knowledgeable sources, a vast majority of the clothes were bought by a wealthy donor, who was shocked when he got the bill. Palin also used low-level staffers to buy some of the clothes on their credit cards. The McCain campaign found out last week when the aides sought reimbursement. One aide estimated that she spent "tens of thousands" more than the reported $150,000, and that $20,000 to $40,000 went to buy clothes for her husband. Some articles of clothing have apparently been lost. An angry aide characterized the shopping spree as "Wasilla hillbillies looting Neiman Marcus from coast to coast," and said the truth will eventually come out when the Republican Party audits its books.

I am so glad we won't be hearing from her at least until 2012 or so... Corruption in Alaska? You betcha!

It's the chinese I tell ya! It's dem damn commies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25651505)

It would not surprise me one bit...

Should have used linux! (0, Troll)

malevolentjelly (1057140) | more than 5 years ago | (#25651547)

Wait, Obama's campaign did use linux. Guess they should've used Solaris, then.

Re:Should have used linux! (1)

cstdenis (1118589) | more than 5 years ago | (#25651909)

Or BSD.

BSD is for losers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25652279)

It must have been the McCain campaign that was running the world's only BSD installation..

Re:Should have used linux! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25653235)

I don't think they wanted to serve their intruders a cup of java.
"During these hostile and trying times and what-not
OpenBSD may be your family's only line of defense"

Error in summary (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25651605)

they believed a foreign entity or organization sought to gather information on the evolution of both camps' policy positions--information that might be useful in negotiations with a future administration."

"they believed a foreign entity or organization sought to gather information on the evolution of both camps' policy positions--information that would be entirely useless once the winner back pedals on all campaign promises made."

Fixed that for them.

Re:Error in summary (1)

Duradin (1261418) | more than 5 years ago | (#25652003)

Why would they have anything sitting on or connected to a public network that they didn't want someone to find?

Re:Error in summary (4, Insightful)

Ocker3 (1232550) | more than 5 years ago | (#25652327)

Because they were promised by the vendor that the security was flawless and they believed them?

Re:Error in summary (1)

pcolaman (1208838) | more than 5 years ago | (#25652607)

Or both machines could've been honey pots that just had a bunch of files named [x]InvasionPlan.doc where x = [Russian, Chinese, Korean, Iranian, French, Canadian] Just to scare the shit out of anyone who thinks that either candidate is going to start getting chummy with foreign powers.

Re:Error in summary (4, Insightful)

khallow (566160) | more than 5 years ago | (#25652937)

Nonsense. The information is valuable for other reasons. It gives a third party information on who the candidate keeps around them and hints about how the candidate and his advisors think. Among other things, that'll help in future negotiations with the administration. And it'll provide avenues for social engineering. They may have obtained vetting information. And further will have some idea who to target for various espionage operations, say if someone wishes to blackmail or bribe.

Re:Error in summary (1)

tnk1 (899206) | more than 5 years ago | (#25653551)

Yeah, they will know who was being appeased by the false promises, and thereby know what the real policies will be.

Actually Patrick Layton Pauson's campain? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25651617)

Given that he actually got more votes than some of the other candidates in the primaries, and given his platform, you never know.

Future Blackmail Protection (2, Funny)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 5 years ago | (#25651707)

Remember kids, always have some photos of you and Chuthulu parktaking in ancient, evil rites so the perpetrator knows exactly what their "reward" will be.

Obama Apologists (0, Troll)

introspekt.i (1233118) | more than 5 years ago | (#25651715)

In 5...4...3...2....

Re:Obama Apologists (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25652359)

Fuck it. We got him elected, he's going to have to answer for himself from now on. And I hope more people are with me on this -- especially those in the media.

The good news is, I believe that he will.

Re:Obama Apologists (3, Insightful)

pcolaman (1208838) | more than 5 years ago | (#25652651)

Well, he did promise to make what the White House does more transparent to the American voters. So maybe it was a pilot script for the new reality TV series, "Obama's House"

Re:Obama Apologists (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#25653561)

So, you're saying he is going to be one of those people I keep hearing about who live in glass houses? I hope he doesn't throw stones...

Re:Obama Apologists (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25652687)

We're sorry you are bitter that Obama was elected.

While I am not suprised, (1)

Jimmyisikura (1274808) | more than 5 years ago | (#25651719)

I am a little curious that someone would make all of that information so readily available.
Like many /.ers say, If it is on the net, it is vulnerable. Or something like that.

Re:While I am not suprised, (1)

orclevegam (940336) | more than 5 years ago | (#25651841)

I am a little curious that someone would make all of that information so readily available. Like many /.ers say, If it is on the net, it is vulnerable. Or something like that.

Almost but not quite.

The only truly secure system is one that is powered off, cast in a block of concrete and sealed in a lead-lined room with armed guards - and even then I have my doubts.

There's also a variation with the lead-lined room/armed guards part replaced with buried at the bottom of the marianas trench.

Impact on elections??? (1)

DriedClexler (814907) | more than 5 years ago | (#25651817)

What effect will this had on the election, if someone will invented time travel? (Note my use of the appropriate grammatical tense for speaking of time travel.)

Hopefully this inspired Obama (2, Interesting)

m93 (684512) | more than 5 years ago | (#25651989)

What I really hope is that the President-Elect was made fully aware of the situation by his staff and the authorities. Hopefully, this knowledge would inspire him to seriously consider the potential danger to our country in the area of network security. Of course we never hear stories of what we do to foreign countries, but I have definitely heard too many stories of what other countries do to us to be of a sound mind in regards to the integrity of our nations information infrastructure.

Re:Hopefully this inspired Obama (4, Interesting)

Duradin (1261418) | more than 5 years ago | (#25652227)

I don't think that having legislation enacted that cites the latest Die Hard movie as a source and has Ted "Tubes" Stevens as an adviser is a good thing.

We'll wake up one morning and hear that the cyber-terrorism meter is at paisley.

Third party (4, Funny)

hansamurai (907719) | more than 5 years ago | (#25651993)

During the summer the Obama campaign had their systems hacked, but so did McCain - and not by each other but a third party.

Bob Barr or Cynthia McKinney?

Re:Third party (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25652139)

Ron Paul, of course!

Re:Third party (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25653825)

I couldn't have been the only one who read that as Bob Barr on Cynthia McKinney.

Insight into Pragmatism (5, Interesting)

DigitalisAkujin (846133) | more than 5 years ago | (#25652079)

I particularly love this insight:
The debates unnerved both candidates. When he was preparing for them during the Democratic primaries, Obama was recorded saying, "I don't consider this to be a good format for me, which makes me more cautious. I often find myself trapped by the questions and thinking to myself, 'You know, this is a stupid question, but let me ⦠answer it.' So when Brian Williams is asking me about what's a personal thing that you've done [that's green], and I say, you know, 'Well, I planted a bunch of trees.' And he says, 'I'm talking about personal.' What I'm thinking in my head is, 'Well, the truth is, Brian, we can't solve global warming because I f---ing changed light bulbs in my house. It's because of something collective'."

Could you have imagined Obama saying that during the election? heh

Re:Insight into Pragmatism (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25652657)

> Could you have imagined Obama saying that during the election?

No... but he just went up in my estimation having read that.

Re:Insight into Pragmatism (4, Insightful)

slimjim8094 (941042) | more than 5 years ago | (#25652723)

I wouldn't mind a pragmatic president. Perhaps that's because I'm a pragmatic guy...

I have a lot of respect for somebody like Joe Biden that says whatever he thinks, because we get a much better insight into he really is.

And that quote is fucking amazing. He said essentially that a couple times, but slightly cleaned up, for what it's worth.

Re:Insight into Pragmatism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25652877)

Hell, if I'd have heard him talk straight like that in one of the debates, he'd have got my vote. That would have been awesome. I kept hoping he'd start a response to McCain with "cracker please" too. All of Obama's intellectual niceties ended up being just as annoying to me as McCain's condescending and ignoring of things people said.

Re:Insight into Pragmatism (5, Insightful)

Artuir (1226648) | more than 5 years ago | (#25653123)

To be frank, I wish he would have said that during the election. The man is smart.

The thing that irritates me the most about this election is we've got so many political parrots out there that just repeat misquotes like idiots. It's amazing how ignorant the country is and how little research is actually done for people to make a decision this important. What a dangerous position to be in.

Re:Insight into Pragmatism (2, Interesting)

AxemRed (755470) | more than 5 years ago | (#25653191)

I didn't vote for either McCain or Obama. However, if Obama would have said that, I would have voted for him.

Nothing to see here (3, Interesting)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 5 years ago | (#25652113)

I volunteered to work on a Senate campaign. I was shocked to learn their headquarters was using an open wireless access point, but handing out WEP keys to hundreds of volunteers bringing their own laptops would have been unmanagable. Plus, you wouldn't even need to hack the network from the outside -- literally anyone can volunteer and gain access to their servers. Most of the data is just donor and supporter lists anyway; it's not like it does a candidate any good to keep their platform a secret! Since thousands of unvetted volunteers had access to the candidate's networks, I certainly hope they used a rule that no data should be placed on the campaign servers that you wouldn't want to see leaked to the newspapers the next day anyway. And everybody already knows if you're going to do something that is possibly unethical or unlawful, you NEVER mention it in email! I very much doubt you could find any information on McCain's or Obama's campaign computers that would be useful to anyone after the election.

Re:Nothing to see here (1)

DigitalisAkujin (846133) | more than 5 years ago | (#25652525)

I live in Philadelphia and there is an Obama office literally 2 doors down from me. I found them running a 802.11G open wifi for about a week before they closed it. Was a decent T1 connection. It's still up, SID: "Campaign for Change", WPA encrypted.

Now as far as security within their campaign I don't think it's too much of an issue because they literally built a social network for the campaign which has many hundreds of thousands of machines that somehow access the campaign infrastructure in some way or another. I can certainly see the security analysts making a big fuss over it but the campaign can't afford to spend time dealing with security at the expense of actually running a campaign. I'm actually in utter awe of the ability of the Obama campaign to really build such a great system that scales in such a short period of time and constantly keep to deadlines.

The key is to make sure there's no one that got to the core brain trust of the Obama inner circle and their discussions with advisers. Unfortunatly the article didn't really mention if this is the case.

infosec says: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25652195)

Disclosure: I work for a malware / network security type firm.

The only surprise about this is that they picked it up. It's happening every day. Slashdot's reported enough dots over the last five years to join up and see a definite pattern.

Farfetched ideas ftw (1)

one-eye-johnson (911152) | more than 5 years ago | (#25652403)

Suppose somebody edited the files without campaign workers catching on, leading to subtle changes in the behavior of the campaign.

Possible Answers (4, Funny)

lymond01 (314120) | more than 5 years ago | (#25652419)

When posed the question of how one might respond to cyberattacks on their own websites, the following responses were gathered:

McCain: My friends, I've been around the block a few times. I know what it's like to be hacked. I know what it's like to be crippled, to be seized by foreign powers and pried for information. My friends, I've been there, not 30 years ago I was......Internet? What's that now? Oh, like the tubes...

Obama: There is no classified data on those servers. There never was. I will not hide information from the people of America. I will not hide my concerns from foreign powers. We are a nation built on freedom and that includes freedom of information. If they want to know our bathroom schedules, we will let them know. Yes we can. If they want to know where I park my car in the afternoon, I will tell them. Yes we can. If they want to know the route my daughter takes to school...

Palin: Dog gone it, how am I going to know when my next hair appointment is? Oh, it's still there? But you said they stole it. Could we go back to the part just after, "You're my vice presidential choice"? I've been a little confused since then.

Stevens: You ask me if they'll get away with this? I'll tell you. "NO!!"

Bush: Thank Christ the Lord I am done with this job. Next question...

Wonder how the Feds found out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25652595)

I wonder how the Feds found out that the parties had been hacked? Maybe secret service detected one then started looking at the other? I guess neither was running an IDS.

Which platforms were they using? Was Obama using Linux and McCain Windows? Makes you wonder.....

Re:Wonder how the Feds found out (1)

shentino (1139071) | more than 5 years ago | (#25653007)

It could be that presidential candidates or not, they're still citizens just as entitled to police protection as anyone else, and that they just reported the attack just like joe sixpack might.

So? (2, Funny)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#25652631)

Seriously, what information do they have?
National secrets? Launch codes? Pictures of Britney's crotch?

Yeah, advise them to lock down their system, but for crying out loud, stop acting like every computer breach and tress[pass is the end of the civilized world.

Re:So? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25652803)

Seriously, what information do they have?

It's what information they don't have that concerns the me most.

Re:So? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25653937)

you would be surprised what is of value to someone who is organized and methodical at collecting information especially when it is part of a larger information campaign. It is not just the individual pieces but how they combine to make the larger picture. For example is Obama serious about this or that aspect of an agreement with another country that might affect China's interest. While few wars have been won by an inferior opponent due to intelligence efforts alone many valuable bluffs have been called. How interested would Obama be in continuing support of Israel if they started another war or might we finally have a president who can say no to Israel?

How did the Feds know? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25652663)

Unless the villains modified a public campaign website, how did the Feds know about this? Does the FBI have access to the campaign machines?

culprit (1)

Atreide (16473) | more than 5 years ago | (#25652719)

wasn't he Jonathan Lee Riches whose brain was fried by Blizzard's WoW (http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/11/05/1658215) ?

Is there actual proof? (2, Insightful)

SIR_Taco (467460) | more than 5 years ago | (#25652881)

I am not much for the whole conspiracy theory BS, but if I really wanted to, underhandedly, get more funding for my department/organization it would make sense to approach the likely candidates and tell them they have a problem. Then when either candidate comes into power it would be much easier to say: "we need more funding for 'cyber-defence' to protect the country from attacks. Attacks like you fell victim to not to long ago, remember?"

On a side note, I hate the word cyber in this context.

Gee, which "foreign entity" could they mean? (4, Funny)

stevegee58 (1179505) | more than 5 years ago | (#25652943)

95% of the unauthorized http accesses and port scans to my PC at home are from China. Go figure.

This wouldn't be a problem if. . . (4, Insightful)

mosb1000 (710161) | more than 5 years ago | (#25653261)

This wouldn't be a problem if our political system did not practically require politicians to keep secrets and lie through their teeth.

Obama's plans weren't that secret (1)

mi (197448) | more than 5 years ago | (#25653447)

While "The One" was blasting NAFTA to gain support, he sought to secretly reassure Canadian government [slate.com] , that he has no plans to change the agreement.

His campaign position's on coal [google.com] kept changing faster, than any hacker could download...

The lowest income, on which the taxes will be increased [nypost.com] .

Fortunately, Joe Biden's foreign policy statements like [nytimes.com] :

When we kicked -- along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said and Barack said, "Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don't know -- if you don't, Hezbollah will control it."

...will confuse any adversary for good...

By 3rd parties ? i dont buy it. (0, Troll)

unity100 (970058) | more than 5 years ago | (#25653463)

The Feds told Obama's aides in late August that the McCain campaign's computer system had been similarly compromised.'

so fbi, which was turned into a joke by the neocon gop administration by implanting their own people in, went and told obama camp that mccain campaign also got hacked.

no sir i dont buy it. i dont think it was a third party. 'policy position' is also bullshit, the policy positions of each party is clear, and you dont need to hack any website or get any files to know about it.

but, if you hack their websites, you can get a lot of information about the donors.

sounds like neocon filth to me. cataloguing info about donors.

Re:By 3rd parties ? i dont buy it. (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 5 years ago | (#25653877)

so fbi, which was turned into a joke by the neocon gop administration by implanting their own people in, went and told obama camp that mccain campaign also got hacked.

Actually, while the neocons ruined every other branch of government, I think the FBI ruined themselves. They've just gotten a little too arrogant over the years, and a little too eager to see themselves on camera, so they overreach and underperform.
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