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US Army To Push X-Files Tech Development

samzenpus posted more than 5 years ago | from the the-truth-is-out-there dept.

The Military 139

An anonymous reader writes "The US Army is ramping up the development of technology right out of the X-Files; 'making science fiction into reality' as Dr. John Parmentola — Director of their Research and Laboratory Management — puts it. The list of things currently in the works is amazing: regenerating body parts on 'nano-scaffolding,' telepathy through electronic impulses in the scalp, and self-aware virtual photorealistic soldiers that can be deployed in the battlefield through 'quantum ghost imaging.' To test these they want to use them into a massively multiplayer online games like World of Warcraft or Eve online."

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Order Up!! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25653805)

I would like a footlong - pecker - to go please.

Re:Order Up!! (0, Troll)

arizwebfoot (1228544) | more than 5 years ago | (#25653847)

Well then, perhaps you could order up something more tangible, like a clone of Jewel Staite or or perhaps your tastes run in different circles?

Bwaahahahahahaha

It's Alive!!

Episode no. please... (1)

_merlin (160982) | more than 5 years ago | (#25655111)

I don't remember an episode of the X-files featuring an oversize penis. Can you point tell me the series and episode number? It sounds intriguing. Or have you just been watching your XXX-files again?

Re:Episode no. please... (1, Funny)

mattytee (1395955) | more than 5 years ago | (#25656883)

Please. *Every* episode featured an oversize penis.

I think his name was David Duchovny.

Re:Order Up!! (1)

quaero_notitia (1192373) | more than 5 years ago | (#25655205)

Not a problem! I'll just forward on some of the thousands of e-mails that offer just that and can purportedly make it prehensile like a monkey's tail. Here ya go...

Well... (5, Funny)

Loibisch (964797) | more than 5 years ago | (#25653835)

I'll only believe it when I see it.

*whistles the X-Files theme*

It's already here! (1)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 5 years ago | (#25653959)

Yeah? Try logging onto World of Warcraft without either running into gold farmers or getting whispers with prices of the latest susanexpress offer. I think those quantum ghost imaging things are already there, just that the folks in China beat us to it.

Re:It's already here! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25654071)

Don't forget the boxers. Wasn't there an article a while back about one guy boxing an entire raid force? If nothing else such might be great for diversionary tactics.

Re:It's already here! (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 5 years ago | (#25654223)

Maybe the US army bought a chinese wow farming bot and modified it somewhat to react on the maps / whatever sent by them instead for RL usage? :D

Sucks if they run away to pick up flowers or corpse camp though.

Re:Well... (5, Funny)

Smauler (915644) | more than 5 years ago | (#25654089)

To test these they want to use them into a massively multi-player online games like World of Warcraft or Eve online.

There's no science here... they just want to play more games. I can imagine the staff meeting :

Any ideas how we can get more time off to farm uber gear?
No sir, all our team are working on high tech projects, sir!
Any chance we could combine my WoW playing with these "hitec" projects, and everyone will be happy?
Sir yes sir!

Re:Well... (1)

lara111 (1401205) | more than 5 years ago | (#25657069)

hi..... The US Army is very powerful army. By using that they were playing the World of Warcraft. Due to this so many peoples were affected. Link Building [widecircles.com]

Re:Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25657169)

Likely spot on

Re:Well... (4, Interesting)

g0dsp33d (849253) | more than 5 years ago | (#25654095)

TED [ted.com] has a decent video on the possibilities of tissue regeneration. Not to difficult to imagine more generalized use soon.

Not sure how easy it is to turn up the gain but how hard can it be to strap a can-tenna to one of the new mind controlled video game controllers?

CNN [cnet.com] already uses holograms. /snicker

Re:Well... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25655385)

I'll believe it when they manage to do it on the budget they're gunna have in a few months.

My guess is it will be paying for

Re:Well... (1)

rwyoder (759998) | more than 5 years ago | (#25657315)

I'll only believe it when I see it. *whistles the X-Files theme*

I really *want* to believe!

Mutually exclusive? (4, Interesting)

forceman130 (1233754) | more than 5 years ago | (#25653837)

How can a virtual photorealistic soldier also be self-aware?

Re:Mutually exclusive? (5, Funny)

gijoel (628142) | more than 5 years ago | (#25657493)

How can a virtual photorealistic soldier also be self-aware?

Please state the nature of your battlefield emergency.

stargate tech is better but some of it needs zpm's (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 5 years ago | (#25653841)

stargate tech is better but some of it needs zpm's or some other high power source to use them.

Re:stargate tech is better but some of it needs zp (3, Funny)

beav007 (746004) | more than 5 years ago | (#25654985)

I always thought it was CPMs, until someone reminded me that Americans can't pronounce "Z" correctly. Then it made sense...

Re:stargate tech is better but some of it needs zp (1)

grahamd0 (1129971) | more than 5 years ago | (#25655565)

But the Scottish dude always pronounces it "zed-P-M". That should have given it away.

I heard that guy pronounce it first, and as an ignorant American, it actually took me a couple of minutes to figure that it was an acronym for "zero point module" and not some made up alien words.

As a total aside, how do you teach the alphabet to children? The end of the alphabet song doesn't rhyme if you pronounce it "zed".

Re:stargate tech is better but some of it needs zp (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25655673)

Britain just has/had a different alphabet song, though really Sesame Street has been shown on English TV for so long now (since 1969) the american one has long since "won". You just learn the american song says "zee" but the correct name is "zed", and learn to blame the "dumb americans", too (gotta start indoctrinating kids with prejudices early, you know!)

Note that and (&) used to be the last "letter" of the British English alphabet, so the old english alphabet song used to end "and per se and" (not "zee"), which was then corrupted into "ampersand" ...and then dropped from the alphabet: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ampersand [wiktionary.org]

Re:stargate tech is better but some of it needs zp (1)

lordkuri (514498) | more than 5 years ago | (#25655707)

He's not Scottish, he's Canadian

Re:stargate tech is better but some of it needs zp (1)

grahamd0 (1129971) | more than 5 years ago | (#25655781)

Sorry, I don't actually watch the show, I had a roommate who was into it, so I've seen a few episodes.

I thought there was both a Canadian guy and a Scottish guy. The Canadian guy was a physicist and the Scottish guy was a medical doctor. He may have been Welsh or Irish or something, like I said, I don't watch the show, so I don't remember exactly.

They may both pronounce it "zed", though I've never heard any of the real life Canadians I know say "zed". They may just be humoring us Americans.

Re:stargate tech is better but some of it needs zp (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25656227)

The doctor with the Scottish flag on his uniform is a Scott both on the show and off.

Re:stargate tech is better but some of it needs zp (1)

beav007 (746004) | more than 5 years ago | (#25655741)

Here in Australia, we sing the same song, but we say "zed" at the end. Screw the rhyming :P

Obama won't stand for this (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25653843)

He said all programs that were useless would be cut.... now.. put up or shut up Obama.

Re:Obama won't stand for this (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25654123)

He said all programs that were useless would be cut.... now.. put up or shut up Obama.

Just FYI: Obama doesn't become president till January.

So you know...

Oblig (3, Funny)

Phrogman (80473) | more than 5 years ago | (#25653889)

I for one, would like to welcome our new Quantum Ghost Imaging Overlords...

Re:Oblig (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25654551)

Or our Quantum Ghost Imaging hot robot girlfriends.

Fringe (3, Funny)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#25653891)

X-Files is dead, it's Fringe now. Get up to speed or turn the cite over to someone up a current nerd and geek culture~
Also
Dr. John Parmentola is a total villain~ just look at him:
http://www.nano-dds.com/Pics/Parmentola-Bio.pdf [nano-dds.com]

Re:Fringe (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25654081)

I've watched Fringe. It's garbage.

Re:Fringe (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25654883)

Right, though I think Anna Torv [wikipedia.org] is quite hot in an athletic girl-next-doory sort of way. Of course, they have her gratuitously strip and climb into a tank of water in like, the first or second episode, that's how I know she has a really hot body. And that fringe was utter garbage, granted. But I'll still watch it because, hot.

Re:Fringe (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25655461)

Fun fact: Anna Torv was also the motion-capture model and voice actress for "Nariko", the main character in recent computer game "Heavenly Sword". That much hot can make up for a lot of shitty nonsensical antiscientific plot.

Re:Fringe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25654121)

"Fringe" couldn't carry Fox Mulder's briefcase down to his office. I know, "get off my lawn", but that doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Re:Fringe (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25656449)

Please. Fox Mulder couldn't heft Kolchak's camera. Now get off my lawn.

Re:Fringe (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 5 years ago | (#25654203)

I haven't watched this Fringe thing, but I get the sense that a third X-Files movie is more likely than a second Fringe season.

Re:Fringe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25656165)

The goatse gives him away...

I saw it on Star Trek!

!telepathy (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 5 years ago | (#25653971)

There is a word for what they are doing [wikipedia.org] but it isn't telepathy

And is it really that necessary?
Throat mikes are plenty sensitive as it is and either way, you're going to have to send out RF to communicate.

Re:!telepathy (5, Insightful)

lysergic.acid (845423) | more than 5 years ago | (#25654429)

technology-enabled telepathy, techlepathy, or whatever you want to call it, is still manipulating objects with your mind. and there are many instances where directly transmitting commands with neural impulses would be preferable over verbal commands. for instance, if you were trying to control a UAV drone it would be far more intuitive to be able to make the plane turn via thoughts than with clumsy voice commands. you'd have a much wider range of control that's both, more natural and also quicker, than voice commands.

i'm more disturbed by this:

A project to erase bad memories, which will be critical in helping soldiers with psychological damage.

--yea, that and carrying out cover ups.

Re:!telepathy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25655131)

for instance, if you were trying to control a UAV drone it would be far more intuitive to be able to make the plane turn via thoughts than with clumsy voice commands. you'd have a much wider range of control that's both, more natural and also quicker, than voice commands.

And it would be even quicker to use a joystick or mouse. It's been shown that conscious thought is slower than autonomous muscle memory.

If you had very high-level voice commands, it'd probably be easier (although not quicker) to use voice commands to order a UAV around ("Kill that terrist!" rather than point-click-click-click-launch-missile).

Another big problem with thought control are false positives. If you casually think, "I'm kinda bored, wouldn't it be nice if a missile flew down and made a pretty explosion," there's less of an opportunity to reconsider that if your thoughts are being read to provide control.

Re:!telepathy (1)

lysergic.acid (845423) | more than 5 years ago | (#25655663)

i don't think an Army Ranger or Delta Force soldier is going to pull out a laptop and mouse/joystick in the middle of enemy territory during a combat mission. the whole point of voice/thought commands is to keep the soldier's hands free and allow him to issue commands while on the move.

and muscle memory is still the result of neural signals sent from the brain. for controlling things like unmanned drones you can still exploit a soldier's fast reflexes or autonomic reactions. with training, it'd be possible for the brain to treat the drone as an extension of one's body. and even conscious thought commands can be more useful, or convenient, than voice commands since verbal expression is rather limited compared to the flexibility/versatility of the human mind.

everything else you mentioned are implementation issues. obviously you're not going to design a thought command system that lets someone accidentally launch a missile with one stray thought. first we just have to develop the neural signaling interface, and then once we can interpret brain activity as thought commands it's just a matter of fine-tuning the system.

Re:!telepathy (1)

ScytheBlade1 (772156) | more than 5 years ago | (#25656377)

That is because a joystick is a very easy device to manipulate. Correctly reading a brain as quickly is not nearly as simplistic as a pair of physical sensors.

Once we can trivially read the mind and interpret what that means, I sincerely doubt that a joystick will remain faster.

Joysticks/muscle memory comes with practice. Once reading the brain becomes practical, given time and practice...

Re:!telepathy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25655979)

A project to erase bad memories, which will be critical in helping soldiers with psychological damage.

--yea, that and carrying out cover ups.

I'm not that worried. Have you ever been hypnotized? I tried to be hypnotized. It just didn't work. I'm sure that nobody will have their memories erased without desperately wanting it.

On the other hand, if they start torturing people, they may me able to force people.

robots in WOW? (3, Insightful)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 5 years ago | (#25653977)

> To test these they want to use them into a massively multi-player online games like World of Warcraft or Eve online."

Doesn't that violate the TOS?

Re:robots in WOW? (1)

Kingrames (858416) | more than 5 years ago | (#25654103)

Not if it makes them money and the army says they will do it anyways and can back it up with executive power/force/etc.

Re:robots in WOW? (4, Funny)

cjfs (1253208) | more than 5 years ago | (#25654275)

Doesn't that violate the TOS?

I'm sure Blizzard would love to have a higher level of AI for its npcs. It would give the players something to aspire to.

Change in administration (4, Insightful)

Reality Master 201 (578873) | more than 5 years ago | (#25654017)

I believe the director of DARPA typically leaves with a change in administration, and it wouldn't surprise me if that was the case in other such agencies. Then there's the whole change in funding thing that may happen.

I know a lot of people in the defense research community are a bit nervous now. Be interesting to see what happens after January.

Re:Change in administration (5, Funny)

actionbastard (1206160) | more than 5 years ago | (#25654843)

"Be interesting to see what happens after January."

It's called February.

Re:Change in administration (1)

Reality Master 201 (578873) | more than 5 years ago | (#25655007)

Yes, I sort of meant what happens during the Obama administration, with a particular emphasis on the time shortly after the inauguration, and was using "January" in that context as a metonym.

Re:Change in administration (2, Informative)

actionbastard (1206160) | more than 5 years ago | (#25655605)

"...using 'January' in that context as a metonym."

I was going for the synecdochal aspect myself.

Project funding (5, Funny)

cjfs (1253208) | more than 5 years ago | (#25654041)

Step 1: Read theoretical physics journal
Step 2: Claim principles could be adapted to military uses in unrealistic time frames
Step 3: Profit!

No ??? even needed.

Re:Project funding (4, Insightful)

Dun Malg (230075) | more than 5 years ago | (#25654321)

Step 1: Read theoretical physics journal Step 2: Claim principles could be adapted to military uses in unrealistic time frames Step 3: Profit! No ??? even needed.

Heh. You're modded "funny", but you're right on the money (so to speak). This is typical [grant|budget|*] fishing behavior. Nobody's department ever gets funded by saying "we think we may be able to develop and field a 15% lighter combat boot in the next 5 years". No, you get money by saying "we are on the verge of being able to make our soldiers capable of three currently humanly impossible things that would have our enemies cowering before us--- if only we had the funding..."

Project funding-A bigger cannon. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25654503)

"No, you get money by saying "we are on the verge of being able to make our soldiers capable of three currently humanly impossible things that would have our enemies cowering before us--- if only we had the funding...""

Maybe the porn industry should write the proposal?

!funny (1)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 5 years ago | (#25654333)

If you want to progress an idea then you need to find some funding for it. Using the military has always been a classic way to get this done. Global Warming research also works these days.

Sure, what the scientists are doing might one day turn into something that saves a soldier's life, most current soldiers would probably prefer to see some of that rather go towards funding more down-to-earth spending on basic stuff like body armor etc.

I like Ike! (2, Informative)

dwarg (1352059) | more than 5 years ago | (#25654777)

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex [msu.edu]. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present

        * and is gravely to be regarded.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientifictechnological elite.

It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system -- ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.

Alternate Ending (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 5 years ago | (#25654473)

George W. Bush: What do you want me to do? I thought this was being handled. The truth is out there now. Toothpick Man: The truth has always been out there Mr. President. The people just don't want to believe.

Quantum ghost imaging not "really" quantum? (4, Informative)

ortholattice (175065) | more than 5 years ago | (#25654511)

Quantum ghost imaging [newscientist.com] is a real effect that is potentially useful, but there is skepticism that it's an "entangled photon" quantum effect and not just an effect that is due to the ordinary interference of light waves (which is also ultimately quantum of course but can be predicted with classical physics).

Wouldn't astronomers want this? (4, Interesting)

JoeGee (85189) | more than 5 years ago | (#25655363)

From what I read it should be possible to create images from paired photons over any distance. If we can read a photon a meter distant by observing its entangled twin, can't we just as easily do the same trick with photons from the edge of the visible universe?

-Joe

They're manufacturing aliens??? (1)

syousef (465911) | more than 5 years ago | (#25654573)

"The US Army is ramping up the development of technology right out of the X-Files, "making science fiction into reality"

I can't be bothered reading the article. This is slashdot after all. So can someone please tell me whether they're manufacturing the aliens or they've created some kind of reality distortion machine that literally makes science fiction real? I hope it's the later so we can all like like James T. Kirk and mate with green and blue alien women with excess body parts.

It's only a matter of time... (2, Funny)

dave562 (969951) | more than 5 years ago | (#25654575)

...before we have enough troops to deal with the situation in Afghanistan. Now, if we can only get the Taliban to watch CNN.

Soooo Stupid (1)

jaguth (1067484) | more than 5 years ago | (#25654631)

So wait, the army wants to test super sophisticated equipment... in WoW? Um, why? And how? Not only are they comparing apples to oranges, they are publicizing it to laughable proportions. This is the stupidest thing i've heard from the army all month, and this month just started!

Great - the gov't is bankrupt... (1)

Ralph Spoilsport (673134) | more than 5 years ago | (#25654635)

and these idiots want to piss billions down the drain to protect a dying empire.

good move ace. Let me know how that works out for ya.

RS

This is a press release (4, Insightful)

Xeth (614132) | more than 5 years ago | (#25654735)

Faced with cuts in military funding by the upcoming Obama administration, this is deigned to convince people that the defense department comes up with a lot of gee-whiz things they really shouldn't let their representatives eliminate.

You insensitive cl0d... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25655009)

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wait, hold on a moment... (1)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 5 years ago | (#25655173)

To test these they want to use them into a massively multiplayer online games like World of Warcraft or Eve online.

Does this remind anyone else of Ender's Game? Hmmm...

The McGowan Institute for Regenerative Medicine (3, Interesting)

alchemist68 (550641) | more than 5 years ago | (#25655327)

Dr. Alan Russell is the Distinguished University Professor of Surgery and the Founding Director of the McGowan Institute for Regenerative Medicine at the University of Pittsburgh. He has published more than 125 articles in refereed journals, one book, and 10 book chapters. Dr. Russell holds 14 patents, with 13 additional pending patents. Dr. Russell has given more than 250 national and international invited lectures, and has received numerous prestigious awards for his contributions to research, teaching and public service. For more information on Dr. Russell and the Russell Lab, please visit his website at http://www.mirm.pitt.edu/russell/ [pitt.edu].

I had the opportunity to attend a lecture entitled "The Hope and Hype of Regenerative Medicine" last Wednesday evening in Cambridge, MA (10/29/2008) hosted by Vertex Pharmaceuticals. This lecture was profoundly interesting and awe-inspiring. Simply amazing what can be done for people in need of replacement of internal organs: bladders have been successfully grown and implanted in 6 children, both a vagina and uterus have been replaced in in pigs, and the tip of a human finger grew back after being accidentally amputated by the propeller of a small model airplane engine. The photographs and videos were quite graphic but show the power of this new type of medical research, some based on stem cell research. Current research is directed at replacing damaged cardiac tissue and the replenishment of islet cells to the pancreas to treat diabetes.

Sounds like the U.S. Army (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25655365)

has found another way to advertise to gamers! Ugh!

So here's how it's going to go (1)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 5 years ago | (#25655575)

They're going to seem like they have a plan when they develop this tech but we'll be strung along for ten years before we realize they're pulling everything out of their asses?

X files technology eh?? (3, Funny)

Oktober Sunset (838224) | more than 5 years ago | (#25655771)

How will developing flashlights which constantly have smoke or dust in the path of the beam help the army?

Oblig (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25655989)

Bin Laden is out there...

"X files" my butt. They're being Proxmired. (4, Insightful)

Ungrounded Lightning (62228) | more than 5 years ago | (#25656157)

Hadn't encountered "Quantum Ghost Imaging" before. (If it provides a practical system for imaging a objects without exposing that an observer exists and/or without the observer having a clear line-of-sight for ordinary optics, the military applications would be obvious.)

But building replacement body parts and organs on nano-scaffolding is working fine in the laboratory. It's just a little engineering development and regulatory approval from deployment. The military knows how to fund and direct practical engineering development, can fast-track or sidestep regulatory approval, and has a continuing supply of people who need replacement body parts or substitutes to recover function. It makes perfect sense for the military to drive the final development and deployment of this technology, bringing their wounded back to full health rather than giving them a prosthetic and a pension.

The military is already flying and driving vehicles and aiming and firing weapons in difficult environments using "mechanical telepathy" - magnetic sensors in a helmet detecting the fields from the currents from the firing of nerves in - guess where - the speech center (among others). (While you're strapped into a fighter plane doing a 5-G maneuver or a helicopter shaking from flack: Look at a target and/or point a finger at it. When the targeting marker in the heads-up goggles is on it, think "BANG!". Just for one example.) Meanwhile the same technology is doing a very good job of speech recognition on subvocalization. So why not use it to drive a radio to "think-talk" to another guy in the unit?

Since at least the Vietnam era the US military has been a consumer and designer of role-playing game system products and video games, for good reason and with very good results. After noting that the soldiers who played the most on the video games in the PX were also some of the best shots, pilots, tank drivers and gunners, etc. they commissioned videogames with realistic weapon characteristics as training aids: Fun and effective, and a LOT cheaper than full-blown simulators. Role-playing game systems, meanwhile, greatly improved "war games" strategy practice and military planning, and they stay current with developments in the field (and are a major customer of some of the companies as well). Using a MMORG to do a Turing test, along with further development, on a computer-simulation of a soldier (in preparation for deploying AI weapon systems) fits right in and makes perfect sense to me.

So it looks to me like somebody is "pulling a Proxmire" - finding some government research that SOUNDS screwy and characterizing it to make it sound as ridiculous as possible in the public press.

Fuck The Army! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25656209)

Workers of the World Unite! Smash U.S. Imperialism through socialsit revolution!

How Does the Enemy Fight our Army on the Cheap? (4, Insightful)

CodeBuster (516420) | more than 5 years ago | (#25656353)

Can someone please exlplain how it is that a bunch of irregulars with poorly maintained AK-47 rifles and surplus Katyusha rockets that date back to the cold war can keep us on our toes in Afghanistan when we have all of this high tech and expensive army gear? Heck, the amount that we spend to equip and train one US soldier would probably equip a whole company of Taliban. If the army wants more and better soldiers then how about doing simple things like raising base salaries for our military, improving the quality of our training programs, and taking back control of supply and logistics from Halliburton and KBR who seem to be much more interested in how much they can possibly bill the government and much less interested in actually helping our fighting men and women.

Re:How Does the Enemy Fight our Army on the Cheap? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25656807)

It's simple: Afghanistan is not a problem that can be solved by killing everyone. If we just wanted to kill all the Taliban and damn the consequences, they'd be dead. But we want to build something specific where they currently are, so we can't just go around killing indiscriminantly, and by hiding among people that we need to populate what we want to build, they make it very difficult to discriminate.

For the situation it sounds like you were expecting, see the wars in Iraq (during the takeover stage) when we fought a real military that fought without hiding, and note that we easily annihilated them. The stuff in here is for fighting other countries. To fight a "war" like Afghanistan, we use spies and small special ops teams.

Re:How Does the Enemy Fight our Army on the Cheap? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25656989)

We don't use kids.

Re:How Does the Enemy Fight our Army on the Cheap? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25657397)

Simple - they don't care how many of "their own" they lose, nor give a damn about collateral losses. We grieve for every one of our killed or wounded, and do care about killing civilians, too.

Look up Soviet strategies in WWII. Crude but effective. These days Putin and his ilk laugh at Guantanamo: when they suspect someone may be their enemy in Chechnya or elsewhere they just kill the poor bastard and get done.

Sanctuaries (1)

G-Man (79561) | more than 5 years ago | (#25657747)

In any counterinsurgency, if the enemy has a sanctuary to run to, you're going to have a tough time. It doesn't matter how badly you kick his ass every time you meet - he gets to retreat, regroup, resupply, retrain, and reattack at the time and place of his choosing. The VC had North Vietnam, the Taliban have Pakistan. If you cannot enter a sanctuary area, you'll likely never knock them out completely. I find it humorous that BHO and the Democrats pledged to really go after Bin Laden rather than wasting time in Iraq - well, if Osama is alive the smart money says he is in Pakistan. Are we supposed to invade them now?

Re:How Does the Enemy Fight our Army on the Cheap? (4, Insightful)

jamesh (87723) | more than 5 years ago | (#25658055)

Those guys have been fighting wars on one front or another for centuries. They are very good at it.

Re:How Does the Enemy Fight our Army on the Cheap? (4, Insightful)

rainer_d (115765) | more than 5 years ago | (#25658357)

No mod points, too bad.
To make it more clear: they have been fighting modern asymmetric wars for a very long time.
The people doing it now have practically grown up with it.
Even the USSR, with all their resources (and absolutely no qualm or HRW really worrying them) couldn't defeat these people (OK, so they had Uncle Sam's help - but anyway...)
Unfortunately, it also means that a western-style democracy is highly unlikely to work in such an environment.
There's just no concept of a "loyal opposition" in this region.
When you're defeated, it only means you have to try harder to overthrow your opponent next time.
And god forbid you follow the orders he issues from the capital - your peers might think you're a wuss.

I don't even understand what that means... (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 5 years ago | (#25657037)

"self-aware virtual photorealistic soldiers that can be deployed in the battlefield through 'quantum ghost imaging.'"

What the hell is this project - Artificial Intelligence? Virtual Reality? Robotics?

automated death squadrons have no alligences (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25657129)

Its time to end this out of control military complex before automated robots come and kill us in our sleep for dreaming the wrong way.

I know about these things... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25657215)

As a Linux user, I appreciate the Army wanting to push X-files tech development. I know Xorg.conf could use some cleanup, Xsession.options, Xresources, Xsession and Xsession.d, Xinit and Xkb have been around for quite some time, and anything the Army can do to make them 'uber' would be great. Oh wait...

why this wont happen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25657523)

This won't happen. Obama is gonna cut funding to all unnecessary programs and that means the military. Costa Rica doesnt have a military they never get attacked why should the United States have a military? We no longer live in a world where cannibal nations attack each other. The world is a peaceful place except for some freedom fighters who feel oppressed. If we dismantle the military we'll save billions that can fund our schools and health care. Plus the world will no longer see us as a threat so they'll leave us alone and there will be peace in our time. Its like that episode of Star Trek TNG where the kid from another ship pretended he was like Cmdr Data. His parent's died when their ship blew up in an energy field. They kept putting more power to the shields, more power to the weapons, and the more power they put the worse the situation got. When they stopped teh power and lowered the shields the problem went away. The forces ripping the ship were only reflections of their own weapons power. Also like the episode where they find this awful weapon that was used in ancient times. Only Picard finds out it is useless unless the person your attacking with it feels anger and hate towards you. Because they drop their phasers and stand calmly the ancient weapon is powerles against them. This is how we can bring real change to America and hope to the world. That is what Obama must do for the good of the world and the freedom fighters will stop fighting once there is no military to fight against and th oppression stops.

Combat Telepathy Problems..... (3, Funny)

IHC Navistar (967161) | more than 5 years ago | (#25657575)

Soldier 1: :::Enemy behind the wall on the left by the palm tree.:::

Soldier 2: :::Enemy behind the wall on the left by the palm tree.:::

Soldier 3: :::Enemy behind the wall on the left by the palm tree.:::

Soldier 4: :::Enemy behind the wall on the left by the palm tree. Hey, wait a minute! That reminds me, the mailman and my wife were pretty friendly last time I was home...:::

Soldier 5: :::Enemy behing the wall on the left by the palm tree:::

Soldiers 1, 2, 3: :::WTF?! Enemy behind the wall on the left by the palm tree!:::

Soldier 5: :::I'll bet he's got a package for her!:::

Soldier 4: :::What's THAT supposed to mean?:::

Soldier 6: :::Dude, your wife's bangin the mailman!:::

Soldier 5: :::HE'S GOT AN RPG!!!:::

Soldier 4: :::Dude, that's not funny!:::

Soldier 5: :::NO! THE GUY BEHIND TH-.....

Fwishhhh! BOOOOOM!

Soldiers 1, 2, 3, 4, 6: :::Oh... *That* guy.....:::

Bots on WoW (1)

Kryptic Knight (96187) | more than 5 years ago | (#25658197)

Great

As if we didn't already have enough problems with chinese goldfarmers and bots on World of Warcraft, now the USArmy wants to put in goverment sanctioned bots.

I can't wait to see Blizzard try and enforce their no-bots terms of service on the USArmy.

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