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Games To Outsell Music, Video In UK

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the step-aside-grandpa dept.

Media 47

The BBC reports that for the first time, spending on games and game hardware will outstrip sales in the music and video industries. Quoting: "In the last five years the video games market has more than doubled in value, while music sales have stagnated. The good news for game makers in the report was balanced by grim tidings for high street retailers. 'The music and video market is not just suffering from a slowing of growth but a massive transfer of spend to online,' says Malcolm Pinkerton of Verdict Research. It is online sales of CDs and DVDs that have grown rapidly, rather than digital downloads, which still only account for around 4% of music and video sales."

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So... (2, Funny)

Majik Sheff (930627) | more than 5 years ago | (#25655487)

Video killed the video AND radio star?

Re:So... (1)

tristian_was_here (865394) | more than 5 years ago | (#25659187)

More like:
... Video Games butchered the radio star.

Duh (4, Interesting)

Eudial (590661) | more than 5 years ago | (#25655535)

Not all that hard to understand, considering how much they charge for a video game.

Re:Duh (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25655853)

That's irrelevant. People could choose to spend the money they spend on games on music instead.

The real problem, as the article mentions, is that they are including gaming hardware sales in the figures.

Re:Duh (2, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#25655881)

Yes, but look at the hour to price ratio. A CD is about an hour long, whereas a game is usually at least 30 hours if not more. A CD costs around $20 and a game around $50. The CD costs a whole lot more per hour than the game does.

Re:Duh (1)

Eudial (590661) | more than 5 years ago | (#25656127)

Yes, but look at the hour to price ratio. A CD is about an hour long, whereas a game is usually at least 30 hours if not more. A CD costs around $20 and a game around $50. The CD costs a whole lot more per hour than the game does.

But a CD has more replay value than most games. Many games you play just once or twice, but you can easily listen to a good record more than 30 times during the time you own it.

Re:Duh (3, Interesting)

WDot (1286728) | more than 5 years ago | (#25656693)

Not to mention that there's no guarantee that you'll finish a video game. You might get sick of the gameplay, or hit a wall that you can't surpass, or you'll have other games that you'd rather play instead. The CD would have to be a hell of an unlistenable album for one to not make it through once.

Also, DRM notwithstanding, you can use a CD in a lot more places than you can use a videogame. You can use it in your car, your computer, or your speaker setup. You can rip it to your hard drive and make derivative works with the songs or mix CDs/cassettes/mp3 players with your favorite tracks. A game can only be used on its given platform for its given purpose--gaming. Sure, some people make derivative works (mods, machinima) from video games, but it's much easier to slap a song on your home videos and webcam sessions than it is to animate and script a game world.

Re:Duh (1)

Brian Gordon (987471) | more than 5 years ago | (#25656783)

All right that's enough. Games and music are nothing alike and it's ridiuclous to spit out specific examples of why one medium is superior to the other. Seriously, you laugh you lose. Nightmare mode: read your post to yourself out loud. Good luck brave warrior.

you can use a CD in a lot more places than you can use a videogame

serenity now

Re:Duh (1)

Brian Gordon (987471) | more than 5 years ago | (#25656817)

By the way I'm not opposed to an intelligent conversation about the artistic similarities and differences between music and games. But I think you'll agree

"You might get sick of the gameplay, or hit a wall that you can't surpass, or you'll have other games that you'd rather play instead." therefore music wins

is.. underevolved

Re:Duh (1)

WDot (1286728) | more than 5 years ago | (#25660549)

I wasn't arguing that music > video games. I was simply stating that it's not as simple as saying "well, a video game is 50 hours and a CD is 40 minutes, so a video game is the better deal when you calculate the dollars per minute."

Re:Duh (1)

iamapizza (1312801) | more than 5 years ago | (#25657837)

About the non-guarantee of finishing a video game: I've started noticing that a lot of 'anticipated' game come out at the same time, within days of each other, so you end up with someone buying all of them, and then playing each game for just a day each before moving on to the next one and not finishing any, just to keep up with the latest. (Currently, it's Red Alert 3 and Fallout 3 and Farcry or something or the other, (not want soljary gamz))

Re:Duh (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 5 years ago | (#25657997)

It's the Christmas double-or-nothing bet, releases go up fivefold, sales double. Everyone hopes that THEIR game will be the lucky one out of five that gets double sales.

Re:Duh (1)

Brian Gordon (987471) | more than 5 years ago | (#25656713)

Why are we even using the words "CD"? What is this the 90s?

It is online sales of CDs and DVDs that have grown rapidly, rather than digital downloads, which still only account for around 4% of music and video sales.

Huh? I can see audiophiles wanting the original CDs just so they can rip losslessly, but I see no other use for that dead media. I don't think anyone in my entire family owns a CD player and we all have at least one mp3 player. Maybe it's just a matter of amazon structuring their site weirdly but it blows my mind that people would rather wait a week for a disk that you're just going to rip to mp3 and throw away than just download the album right there!

Re:Duh (1)

ciderVisor (1318765) | more than 5 years ago | (#25658851)

Most people still like to have a tangible 'product' in their hand. I still like having a 'CD Collection' in a rack on the wall. You get nice liner notes and artwork, too.

Now get off my lawn !!!

Re:Duh (1)

petermgreen (876956) | more than 5 years ago | (#25661085)

Remember this is a UK story

Does amazon even offer downloadable music sales in the UK? If they do i've never been able to find the option.

We have itunes but unless all your players are ipods or you use drm cracks you have to be very careful to only buy itunes plus tracks (and there is little to no advertising of itunes plus) and you still may have to do a format convertion.

Delivery is not too bad here in the UK. even the free delivery options tend to get it to you in well under a week and amazon will do you next day delivery for a small extra charge if you are feeling desperate.

Re:Duh (1)

compro01 (777531) | more than 5 years ago | (#25656733)

You're making the assumption that all games are single-player games. Practically every recent highly popular game has had some form of multiplayer mode, and in a lot of cases, the multiplayer is the main of the game.

LAN mentality of PC game publishers (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#25661313)

You're making the assumption that all games are single-player games. Practically every recent highly popular game has had some form of multiplayer mode, and in a lot of cases, the multiplayer is the main of the game.

A lot of people never see the multiplayer mode. PC video game publishers seem to be under the impression that two people can't fit around a 19-inch monitor. Because of this, they don't design the game to work with two gamepads or with a keyboard and a gamepad; instead, they optimize the game for LAN play, which requires a separate fast enough PC and a separate copy of the game per player. Plenty of families can't afford to buy more than one PC and keep it upgraded to run multiplayer games.

Re:Duh (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 5 years ago | (#25657211)

But a CD is normally played while doing some OTHER form of entertainment. So you have to factor in those costs.

Re:Duh (1)

El_Muerte_TDS (592157) | more than 5 years ago | (#25657643)

I beg to differ. Music stays the same every time you play it, playing a game might be different every time you play it.
Playing the same music track over and over again, is simply grinding.

Re:Duh (2, Interesting)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 5 years ago | (#25658005)

However, many games are so linear that every play-through is essentially the same and most interesting game situations that can arise just from the interaction of the player and game probably happen throughout one playthrough. Sure, you won't listen to the same track or CD non-stop but you'll probably mix it into your playlist and thus have it get played more often.

Failure of game music systems design (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#25661395)

I beg to differ. Music stays the same every time you play it, playing a game might be different every time you play it.
Playing the same music track over and over again, is simply grinding.

And what do most games' music engines do, other than "playing the same music track over and over again" until the player reaches a checkpoint and then changing abruptly to some other song? There aren't enough games that use the technique seen in Super Mario 64 and Super Mario Galaxy of fading between two or three remixes of the song depending on where the player is in the level, or the technique seen in Lumines of tastefully looping short parts of the song while the player is going slowly and even skipping parts (with a clean transition) while the player is moving quickly through an area.

Re:Duh (1)

Brian Gordon (987471) | more than 5 years ago | (#25656885)

Yes, but look at the hour to price ratio

are you kidding me? music and games are completely different media. that theres a common metric of the time it takes to cycle through available content is purely coincidental. You can't compare enjoying music hour-by-hour to enjoying a game hour-by-hour. Music is enjoyed verse by verse, movement by movement; games are enjoyed level by level. You can't possibly construct some intricate morass of comparison points between the media and expect a fair (even meaninful) framework for a discussion of value.

Re:Duh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25661805)

This is NOT the first time that this has happened. It happened back in the Atari days. Please get your facts straight!

Re:Duh (1)

Ariake Shikima (1279458) | more than 5 years ago | (#25672405)

Not all that hard to understand, considering how much they charge for a video game.

Nah, more like not all that hard considering they're all on Bittorent right now downloading the latest Garbage.

Hail To The Chimp: Barack Obongo! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25655587)

A couple weeks ago, while browsing around the library downtown, I had to take a piss. As I entered the john, Barack Obama -- the messiah himself -- came out of one of the booths. I stood at the urinal looking at him out of the corner of my eye as he washed his hands. He didn't once look at me. He was busy and in any case I was sure the secret service wouldn't even let me shake his hand.

As soon as he left I darted into the booth he'd vacated, hoping there might be a lingering smell of shit and even a seat still warm from his sturdy ass. I found not only the smell but the shit itself. He'd forgotten to flush. And what a treasure he had left behind. Three or four beautiful specimens floated in the bowl. It apparently had been a fairly dry, constipated shit, for all were fat, stiff, and ruggedly textured. The real prize was a great feast of turd -- a nine inch gastrointestinal triumph as thick as his cock -- or at least as I imagined it!

I knelt before the bowl, inhaling the rich brown fragrance and wondered if I should obey the impulse building up inside me. I'd always been a liberal democrat and had been on the Obama train since last year. Of course I'd had fantasies of meeting him, sucking his cock and balls, not to mention sucking his asshole clean, but I never imagined I would have the chance. Now, here I was, confronted with the most beautiful five-pound turd I'd ever feasted my eyes on, a sausage fit to star in any fantasy and one I knew to have been hatched from the asshole of Barack Obama, the chosen one.

Why not? I plucked it from the bowl, holding it with both hands to keep it from breaking. I lifted it to my nose. It smelled like rich, ripe limburger (horrid, but thrilling), yet had the consistency of cheddar. What is cheese anyway but milk turning to shit without the benefit of a digestive tract?

I gave it a lick and found that it tasted better then it smelled.

I hesitated no longer. I shoved the fucking thing as far into my mouth as I could get it and sucked on it like a big half nigger cock, beating my meat like a madman. I wanted to completely engulf it and bit off a large chunk, flooding my mouth with the intense, bittersweet flavor. To my delight I found that while the water in the bowl had chilled the outside of the turd, it was still warm inside. As I chewed I discovered that it was filled with hard little bits of something I soon identified as peanuts. He hadn't chewed them carefully and they'd passed through his body virtually unchanged. I ate it greedily, sending lump after peanutty lump sliding scratchily down my throat. My only regret was that Barack Obama wasn't there to see my loyalty and wash it down with his piss.

I soon reached a terrific climax. I caught my cum in the cupped palm of my hand and drank it down. Believe me, there is no more delightful combination of flavors than the hot sweetness of cum with the rich bitterness of shit. It's even better than listening to an Obama speech!

Afterwards I was sorry that I hadn't made it last longer. But then I realized that I still had a lot of fun in store for me. There was still a clutch of virile turds left in the bowl. I tenderly fished them out, rolled them into my handkerchief, and stashed them in my briefcase. In the week to come I found all kinds of ways to eat the shit without bolting it right down. Once eaten it's gone forever unless you want to filch it third hand out of your own asshole. Not an unreasonable recourse in moments of desperation or simple boredom.

I stored the turds in the refrigerator when I was not using them but within a week they were all gone. The last one I held in my mouth without chewing, letting it slowly dissolve. I had liquid shit trickling down my throat for nearly four hours. I must have had six orgasms in the process.

I often think of Barack Obama dropping solid gold out of his sweet, pink asshole every day, never knowing what joy it could, and at least once did, bring to a grateful democrat.

Score 0: Flamebait (2, Funny)

sleeponthemic (1253494) | more than 5 years ago | (#25655659)

I blame piracy!

Me, I blame British music (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25663551)

I GOT A POCKET GOT A POCKET FULL OF SUNSHINE

Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

BUT SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE YELLING.

Really? (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#25655847)

Really? I wasn't aware that things that are a pain to pirate (yes, you can use hacks and modchips to play your burnt disks and download them off of TPB just like you could a computer game), and actually work (just about) 100% of the time and are original is going to sell more then the movie you saw in the theaters 3 months ago with a terribly generic plot that you could have pirated 5 months ago before it was even released. Honestly, piracy is to blame, but mostly because its a pain to pirate video games and a pain to buy and use bought videos and music.

Re:Really? (1)

Brian Gordon (987471) | more than 5 years ago | (#25656627)

A pain to pirate video games? Pirated video games have no DRM, no disk needed in the slot (honestly do they even do that anymore?), and come to your house at a few mbps while you watch TV or sleep. Oohhh you meant console "gaming". Walk by quickly and don't stare kids- he made the choice to live that way, don't feel sorry for him.

Scare quotes (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#25661451)

A pain to pirate video games? Pirated video games have no DRM, no disk needed in the slot (honestly do they even do that anymore?), and come to your house at a few mbps while you watch TV or sleep. Oohhh you meant console "gaming".

You use scare quotes, apparently to denigrate console gaming. But what other platform lets you have more than one player without buying more than one machine?

Re:Scare quotes (1)

Brian Gordon (987471) | more than 5 years ago | (#25663987)

lol what who has friends anyway. there are millions of people on the internet who want to play with you also framerates drop unforgivably on split screen

Re:Scare quotes (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#25664291)

who has friends anyway.

Siblings, cousins, classmates, etc. Think families with children.

there are millions of people on the internet who want to play with you

So how would I go about finding trustworthy opponents and making sure they aren't molesters?

also framerates drop unforgivably on split screen

It doesn't if the vertex processor is powerful enough to run single-player at 120 fps, or if the game is something like Smash Bros. that doesn't split the screen anyway.

Re:Scare quotes (1)

Brian Gordon (987471) | more than 5 years ago | (#25664863)

So how would I go about finding trustworthy opponents and making sure they aren't molesters?

This has me stymied. Please, why would you possibly care if your opponents are pedophiles? Sure you get to know people very well by playing on the same server for years (another huge advantage over xbox live crap) but it's not like you're bringing your daughter over to their houses, it's over the internet. Live and let live.

Re:Scare quotes (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#25665407)

Sure you get to know people very well by playing on the same server for years (another huge advantage over xbox live crap)

So how do you find such a safe server for your daughter to play on?

Or what if your latency is unacceptable? Upgrading to the next tier of home Internet access for the next two years could cost as much as buying another computer.

And with the one-PC-per-player mentality, what do you do if two kids you're watching want to play video games together?

Re:Scare quotes (1)

Brian Gordon (987471) | more than 5 years ago | (#25715713)

might as well disconnect your internet and tv completely and erect a chain link fence around your house. But what's better for your kids, censoring their view of the real world and locking them inside or letting them actually grow up?

Re:Scare quotes (1)

LingNoi (1066278) | more than 5 years ago | (#25664063)

You do realise that PCs can have more then one joystick too right? It's just you're too retarded to set it up.

Re:Scare quotes (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#25664621)

You do realise that PCs can have more then one joystick too right?

I have four joysticks that I sometimes connect to my PC through a USB hub. But too many PC games won't let me use them; PC game publishers seem to have a mindset of one machine, one copy of Windows, and one copy of the game for each player. (Console ROMs count as console games, not PC games.)

[Music, Video] = non-interactive Games? (1)

CoffeeDregs (539143) | more than 5 years ago | (#25655903)

Actually, I guess music is a bit different since it has significant replay value, but... The best possible movies are ones in which I feel interested and involved. I feel interested/involved in many games I play, so perhaps games can be viewed as non-interactive games (WTF is that). Should we be surprised the "interactive movies" [games] outsell "non-interactive movies" [movies]?

Re:[Music, Video] = non-interactive Games? (1)

Brian Gordon (987471) | more than 5 years ago | (#25656645)

Yeah but aside from the gamers who think 12 caffeine -fueled hours of TF2 is relaxing (I was there beleive me) people want to be able to just kick back and enjoy a movie for a few hours on a sunday afternoon. Making it interactive is fun but not relaxing at all.

Poor Comparison (3, Insightful)

kramer2718 (598033) | more than 5 years ago | (#25656017)

They are including games and games hardware. To be fair, they should include dvd players big screen TVs and stereo systems.

Re:Poor Comparison (2, Interesting)

Notabadguy (961343) | more than 5 years ago | (#25658983)

You've hit the nail on the head. I'm *really* tired of seeing unprofessionally done surveys and studies and irrelevant comparisons make the news. In other news, consumers are spending FAR more money at McDonalds than at Burger King. I sampled two groups. The first group told me how much money they spend on average at Burger King per month. The second group told me how much they spend on average at McDonalds per month. They also included how much their gas bill was, the cost of their car, and a dollar value for the opportunity cost in time that they spent going to McDonalds. Can you believe it? McDonalds is more popular! *sigh* I feel that my own completely made up survey has about as much credibility as the last few surveys that have made their way onto the Slashdot boards.

Re:Poor Comparison (1)

aadvancedGIR (959466) | more than 5 years ago | (#25659591)

Well, my DVD player is cheaper than a DVD and I use my TV and stereo system mostly for gaming so I have difficulties to get your point.

Re:Poor Comparison (2, Insightful)

petermgreen (876956) | more than 5 years ago | (#25661299)

Yes and no, your TV and DVD player will work for any movie released over the last decade and probably the next decade.

In contrast if you want to continue following a game series you will have to buy a new console every 5-10 years (and then sometimes to piss you off even further they go and make one of the games exclusive to a portable console with maybe a re-release on a normal console a year or so later if you are lucky).

In any case you need the TV for gaming as well and DVD players are dirt cheap now so I doubt it significant impacts the comparison.

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Buying games (1)

MadEwokHerd (1399491) | more than 5 years ago | (#25661619)

It figures games are winning across the pond. It's not like people buy music anyway. Bittorent ftw

Video Games Rock! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25666623)

Video games will always outsell music as music now days can all be taken from the net for free.
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