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Craigslist Agrees With State AGs To Curb "Erotic Services" Ads

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the right-to-pursue-happiness dept.

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The New York Times reports that Craigslist has reached an agreement with 40 state attorneys general to tame its notoriously unruly "erotic services" listings. Clever diplomacy: according to the article, Craigslist "said that it will charge erotic services vendors a small fee for each ad — about $10, Mr. Buckmaster said — and require that they use a credit card for the payment. It will donate the money to charities that combat child exploitation and human trafficking. This, theoretically, will let the company confirm not just a phone number but also an identity." I hope they work on cleaning the weird spammers from the ordinary personal ads, too.

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Niggers Agree With State AGs to Curb "Spear Chucke (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25668495)

Congratulations on your purchase of a brand new nigger! If handled properly, your apeman will give years of valuable, if reluctant, service.

INSTALLING YOUR NIGGER.
You should install your nigger differently according to whether you have purchased the field or house model. Field niggers work best in a serial configuration, i.e. chained together. Chain your nigger to another nigger immediately after unpacking it, and don't even think about taking that chain off, ever. Many niggers start singing as soon as you put a chain on them. This habit can usually be thrashed out of them if nipped in the bud. House niggers work best as standalone units, but should be hobbled or hamstrung to prevent attempts at escape. At this stage, your nigger can also be given a name. Most owners use the same names over and over, since niggers become confused by too much data. Rufus, Rastus, Remus, Toby, Carslisle, Carlton, Hey-You!-Yes-you!, Yeller, Blackstar, and Sambo are all effective names for your new buck nigger. If your nigger is a ho, it should be called Latrelle, L'Tanya, or Jemima. Some owners call their nigger hoes Latrine for a joke. Pearl, Blossom, and Ivory are also righteous names for nigger hoes. These names go straight over your nigger's head, by the way.

CONFIGURING YOUR NIGGER
Owing to a design error, your nigger comes equipped with a tongue and vocal chords. Most niggers can master only a few basic human phrases with this apparatus - "muh dick" being the most popular. However, others make barking, yelping, yapping noises and appear to be in some pain, so you should probably call a vet and have him remove your nigger's tongue. Once de-tongued your nigger will be a lot happier - at least, you won't hear it complaining anywhere near as much. Niggers have nothing interesting to say, anyway. Many owners also castrate their niggers for health reasons (yours, mine, and that of women, not the nigger's). This is strongly recommended, and frankly, it's a mystery why this is not done on the boat

HOUSING YOUR NIGGER.
Your nigger can be accommodated in cages with stout iron bars. Make sure, however, that the bars are wide enough to push pieces of nigger food through. The rule of thumb is, four niggers per square yard of cage. So a fifteen foot by thirty foot nigger cage can accommodate two hundred niggers. You can site a nigger cage anywhere, even on soft ground. Don't worry about your nigger fashioning makeshift shovels out of odd pieces of wood and digging an escape tunnel under the bars of the cage. Niggers never invented the shovel before and they're not about to now. In any case, your nigger is certainly too lazy to attempt escape. As long as the free food holds out, your nigger is living better than it did in Africa, so it will stay put. Buck niggers and hoe niggers can be safely accommodated in the same cage, as bucks never attempt sex with black hoes.

FEEDING YOUR NIGGER.
Your Nigger likes fried chicken, corn bread, and watermelon. You should therefore give it none of these things because its lazy ass almost certainly doesn't deserve it. Instead, feed it on porridge with salt, and creek water. Your nigger will supplement its diet with whatever it finds in the fields, other niggers, etc. Experienced nigger owners sometimes push watermelon slices through the bars of the nigger cage at the end of the day as a treat, but only if all niggers have worked well and nothing has been stolen that day. Mike of the Old Ranch Plantation reports that this last one is a killer, since all niggers steal something almost every single day of their lives. He reports he doesn't have to spend much on free watermelon for his niggers as a result. You should never allow your nigger meal breaks while at work, since if it stops work for more than ten minutes it will need to be retrained. You would be surprised how long it takes to teach a nigger to pick cotton. You really would. Coffee beans? Don't ask. You have no idea.

MAKING YOUR NIGGER WORK.
Niggers are very, very averse to work of any kind. The nigger's most prominent anatomical feature, after all, its oversized buttocks, which have evolved to make it more comfortable for your nigger to sit around all day doing nothing for its entire life. Niggers are often good runners, too, to enable them to sprint quickly in the opposite direction if they see work heading their way. The solution to this is to *dupe* your nigger into working. After installation, encourage it towards the cotton field with blows of a wooden club, fence post, baseball bat, etc., and then tell it that all that cotton belongs to a white man, who won't be back until tomorrow. Your nigger will then frantically compete with the other field niggers to steal as much of that cotton as it can before the white man returns. At the end of the day, return your nigger to its cage and laugh at its stupidity, then repeat the same trick every day indefinitely. Your nigger comes equipped with the standard nigger IQ of 75 and a memory to match, so it will forget this trick overnight. Niggers can start work at around 5am. You should then return to bed and come back at around 10am. Your niggers can then work through until around 10pm or whenever the light fades.

ENTERTAINING YOUR NIGGER.
Your nigger enjoys play, like most animals, so you should play with it regularly. A happy smiling nigger works best. Games niggers enjoy include: 1) A good thrashing: every few days, take your nigger's pants down, hang it up by its heels, and have some of your other niggers thrash it with a club or whip. Your nigger will signal its intense enjoyment by shrieking and sobbing. 2) Lynch the nigger: niggers are cheap and there are millions more where yours came from. So every now and then, push the boat out a bit and lynch a nigger.

Lynchings are best done with a rope over the branch of a tree, and niggers just love to be lynched. It makes them feel special. Make your other niggers watch. They'll be so grateful, they'll work harder for a day or two (and then you can lynch another one). 3) Nigger dragging: Tie your nigger by one wrist to the tow bar on the back of suitable vehicle, then drive away at approximately 50mph. Your nigger's shrieks of enjoyment will be heard for miles. It will shriek until it falls apart. To prolong the fun for the nigger, do *NOT* drag him by his feet, as his head comes off too soon. This is painless for the nigger, but spoils the fun. Always wear a seatbelt and never exceed the speed limit. 4) Playing on the PNL: a variation on (2), except you can lynch your nigger out in the fields, thus saving work time. Niggers enjoy this game best if the PNL is operated by a man in a tall white hood. 5) Hunt the nigger: a variation of Hunt the Slipper, but played outdoors, with Dobermans. WARNING: do not let your Dobermans bite a nigger, as they are highly toxic.

DISPOSAL OF DEAD NIGGERS.
Niggers die on average at around 40, which some might say is 40 years too late, but there you go. Most people prefer their niggers dead, in fact. When yours dies, report the license number of the car that did the drive-by shooting of your nigger. The police will collect the nigger and dispose of it for you.

COMMON PROBLEMS WITH NIGGERS - MY NIGGER IS VERY AGGRESIVE
Have it put down, for god's sake. Who needs an uppity nigger? What are we, short of niggers or something?

MY NIGGER KEEPS RAPING WHITE WOMEN
They all do this. Shorten your nigger's chain so it can't reach any white women, and arm heavily any white women who might go near it.

WILL MY NIGGER ATTACK ME?
Not unless it outnumbers you 20 to 1, and even then, it's not likely. If niggers successfully overthrew their owners, they'd have to sort out their own food. This is probably why nigger uprisings were nonexistent (until some fool gave them rights).

MY NIGGER bitches ABOUT ITS "RIGHTS" AND "RACISM".
Yeah, well, it would. Tell it to shut the fuck up.

MY NIGGER'S HIDE IS A FUNNY COLOR. - WHAT IS THE CORRECT SHADE FOR A NIGGER?
A nigger's skin is actually more or less transparent. That brown color you can see is the shit your nigger is full of. This is why some models of nigger are sold as "The Shitskin".

MY NIGGER ACTS LIKE A NIGGER, BUT IS WHITE.
What you have there is a "wigger". Rough crowd. WOW!

IS THAT LIKE AN ALBINO? ARE THEY RARE?
They're as common as dog shit and about as valuable. In fact, one of them was President between 1992 and 2000. Put your wigger in a cage with a few hundred genuine niggers and you'll soon find it stops acting like a nigger. However, leave it in the cage and let the niggers dispose of it. The best thing for any wigger is a dose of TNB.

MY NIGGER SMELLS REALLY BAD
And you were expecting what?

SHOULD I STORE MY DEAD NIGGER?
When you came in here, did you see a sign that said "Dead nigger storage"? .That's because there ain't no goddamn sign

Re:Niggers Agree With State AGs to Curb "Spear Chu (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25668783)

What? No mention of President-elect Obama in this troll post?

FP (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25668509)

I once had sex with a mule.

Re:FP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25668523)

I know. He said he hopes it was good for you because it sure as hell wasn't good for him.

Re:FP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25668911)

Thats nothing. I got fucked by a horse once.. And it was good.

The goatse guy has nothing on me!

Re:FP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25669083)

Yeah he said it was like a sausage down a hallway.

Re:FP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25669337)

The horse did?

What did that guy do, fuck Mister Ed?

Better a mule than anchovenist (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25669481)

Slippery when wet isn't the best of grip, and what if the deeper the tunnel the shallower to your neck?

"I hope they work on cleaning the weird spammers" (5, Funny)

hxnwix (652290) | more than 5 years ago | (#25668529)

Amen. The spammers from the ordinary personal adds are really dirty and urgently require cleaning of any kind. You'd think these guys are allergic to showers...

Re:"I hope they work on cleaning the weird spammer (5, Funny)

nizo (81281) | more than 5 years ago | (#25668587)

As long as they don't mess with continued additions to the best of craigslist [craigslist.org] I'm ok with the changes

Re:"I hope they work on cleaning the weird spammer (1)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669061)

Wow, so much amusement in that list. Rate that up as informative!!

Re:"I hope they work on cleaning the weird spammer (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25669309)

You'd think these guys are allergic to showers...

Well, I doubt they're allergic to golden showers. :-)

back on the streets (5, Insightful)

opencity (582224) | more than 5 years ago | (#25668535)

Putting hookers back on the streets is good why?
This will just push the pros into the personals, though if Craigslist starts charging for personals as well they'll make a lot more money.

Re:back on the streets (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25668825)

That's exactly why Craigslist created the ERS section--because they realized they couldn't eradicate prostitution ads from the site, so the next-best solution was to corral it into a section where it wouldn't bother anybody who wasn't interested. And that worked.

So...what does this accomplish? The pro's will move back into the personals, or into "Casual Encounters" or "Adult Gigs." They won't post in ERS, since their whole strategy is to slam ERS with as many ads as possible to keep theirs on the front page, and they're sure as hell not going to pay $10 per ad. Which raises the question: Who *will* post in ERS, if not prostitutes? Isn't this creating a fiction similar to the "non-prostitute escorts"?

These ads have been in newspaper classifieds since time immemorial, and they've been on Craigslist since its inception. This strategy won't drive them off. It just upsets the compromise that, frankly, had been working (eve for law enforcement, who could easily surf ERS to set up a quick sting on a slow week).

PS--Will this new "fee" will apply in areas where prostitution is legal (e.g., Rhode Island, parts of Nevada, maybe San Francisco)?

Re:back on the streets (5, Insightful)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669055)

What is wrong with the whole damned thing is this: prostitution is illegal, even though there are no victims for this crime, and I don't care what you think about how there is illegal activity all through the sex industry, it would not be nearly as prevalent if it were a legal business for which folk could lose their license if they were doing bad things.

Because it remains illegal, this sort of problem will plague online sites and newspapers etc. You can't get rid of it, can't keep it in a special section, can't clean it up. All those problems would be easy to deal with if it was licensed and legal.

This is just one of the places that government could tax and regulate to ensure a better public health, a safer society, and aid in decreasing or eliminating personal income tax.

Regulating morality does NOT work. Legislating a prohibition never has worked, especially on things that are victimless crimes.

Analogy to copyright? (2, Interesting)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669109)

What is wrong with the whole damned thing is this: prostitution is illegal, even though there are no victims for this crime, and I don't care what you think about how there is illegal activity all through the sex industry, it would not be nearly as prevalent if it were a legal business for which folk could lose their license if they were doing bad things.

Likewise: What is wrong with the whole damned thing is this: commercial infringement of copyright in orphaned works is illegal, even though there are no victims for this crime, and I don't care what you think about how there is illegal activity all through the publishing industry, it would not be nearly as prevalent if it were a legal business for which folk could lose their license if they were doing bad things.

Re:Analogy to copyright? (1)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669275)

somehow, your post made me think of someone trying to patent the vagina... interesting thought, and I'm sure patent examiners might be for it... still, I don't get the relationship here.

Re:Analogy to copyright? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669329)

still, I don't get the relationship here.

I was drawing an analogy between the prohibition of fake sex for hire and the prohibitions resulting from copyright in works that have no recognized owner. Regular readers of Slashdot's YRO section might be more familiar with the latter. Would I have had better luck with a car analogy?

Re:back on the streets (0, Troll)

philspear (1142299) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669369)

Regulating morality does NOT work. Legislating a prohibition never has worked, especially on things that are victimless crimes.

Prostitutes are almost always victims in several reguards.

Re:back on the streets (5, Insightful)

QCompson (675963) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669459)

Prostitutes are almost always victims in several reguards.

So are minimum wage workers. What's your point?

Re:back on the streets (5, Insightful)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669541)

Pardon the pun, but morally speaking, there is more than one section of society which is in a bad place. If prostitutes had a legal standing their position would be a much better one. Lets not forget that the prostitutes you seem to be thinking about did not have the advantage of working for Heidi Fliess. Sex for trade or sale is as common as muck, most of it is simply covered by a marriage license. Argue all you wish with that, but it is true. It's only when partners change and money changes hands that anyone gets upset. Oddly, the people who get upset are those that would not be in the business anyway.

Most victimization of prostitutes is a direct result of the legality of their situation. If you could report your pimp for not paying you the agreed amount without going to jail, many problems would solve themselves regarding victimization. It is sad to see, but the LAW victimizes them as much as anything else.

Re:back on the streets (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25669491)

While I generally agree it won't go away, it also won't go away even if it were legal. There would still be a black market of people working "off the grid" as it were. I'm willing to bet that criminal market would be exactly as big as it is today.

In countries were it's legal it's still one of the most seedy underground criminal infested markets. Just like gambling. People trading other people as basically slaves and things of that nature. The legality makes no difference.

While I don't agree with regulating morality, the fact is we do it all the time. It's basically what most laws are. We do have a duty to reduce activity that harms others (crime and things of that nature). Certain things just attract that that "bad" element no matter what you do (legal or not).

Re:back on the streets (4, Insightful)

frosty_tsm (933163) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669571)

[quote]and aid in decreasing or eliminating personal income tax.[/quote]

I've heard the argument of taxing vices to eliminate taxes for the rest of us. The reality is that if you attempt to tax them enough to lift the tax burden from everyone else, a combination of 1) people won't do it as much and the revenue won't be there or 2) people will do it illegally or seek loopholes to avoid the steep taxes.

It would be a valid form of revenue, but not capable of supporting the country.

"No victims" (4, Insightful)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669625)

What is wrong with the whole damned thing is this: prostitution is illegal, even though there are no victims for this crime

Let's get over this idea that there are "no victims" in the crime of prostitution. The victims are the prostitutes. Yes, some people do willingly trade sex for money. A great, great many do not. Prostitutes are preyed upon daily by pimps, johns, drug dealers, human traffickers, and sadists. If we decriminalized the business of prostitution, some of this would disappear but some of it would not. Amsterdam, which has legalized prostitution, has recently recognized the influence of international organized crime on its red light district.

Deregulating immorality does NOT work.

Sum it up (4, Funny)

Itninja (937614) | more than 5 years ago | (#25668553)

The last line in the article is awesome: "There are very few prostitutes who want to be called by Craigslist and asked to give additional identifying information."

This immediately made me think 'so you are saying that some prostitutes want Craigslist to call them?'. Now that's kinky.

Doesn't this mean... (1)

Gordonjcp (186804) | more than 5 years ago | (#25668611)

... that they're making money off "immoral earnings"? I'd have thought this would open up a whole legal minefield for them...

Re:Doesn't this mean... (1)

JesseL (107722) | more than 5 years ago | (#25668675)

No, it means that a consequence of their efforts to reduce immoral solicitations on their service is some money being collected, none of which becomes 'earnings' because it's all donated to non-profits.

Re:Doesn't this mean... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25668721)

immoral != illegal

And plenty of things make money off of what they fight. Cigarette, alcohol, and gambling taxes go to programs to fight the problems they cause, etc.

Ah Fuck! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25668641)

I mean, um, yeah, this is a good thing. We need to protect the children, the community and all that stuff. Yeeeaaaah.

Useless (3, Insightful)

sfbiker (1118091) | more than 5 years ago | (#25668691)

What a brilliant idea! Those stupid prostitutes will *never* think about putting their ads in the Craigslist sections that don't require ID!

It's not like they aren't already posting in the non-erotic services sections, the w4m section often has ads with "women" looking for a "generous" guy who will help out a girl who will "do anything". Along with more explict ads from women advertising their services. They eventually get flagged off but get reposted quickly.

Just make prostitution legal and regulate it -- charge enough taxes and the Governator won't need to push for a California sales tax increase.

Re:Useless (1)

mkiwi (585287) | more than 5 years ago | (#25668953)

How are you going to get prostitutes to pay taxes? They deal in cash and there's no paper trail. Should the ladies of the night of the world start giving receipts for their services?

Hooker: "Ok that's $21.20 with tax. You don't happen to have exact change do you? Great, let me get your receipt."

Re:Useless (4, Insightful)

Babbster (107076) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669133)

Why wouldn't they? The "true" professionals would likely be more than happy to pay taxes if they could eliminate the chance to get arrested for conducting their day-to-day business. As it is, I'm also sure that many of them already pay income taxes to some degree to avoid legal hassles if they're investigated by the IRS, declaring themselves to be an "escort" or some such.

Keeping prostitution illegal is misguided and based on a puritanical ideal that has never, and will never, be achieved.

Re:Useless (1)

flink (18449) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669183)

How are you going to get prostitutes to pay taxes? They deal in cash and there's no paper trail. Should the ladies of the night of the world start giving receipts for their services?

So do car services, couriers, waiters, bartenders, various street vendors, and many small contractors. They pay taxes (if they pay taxes) like any self-employed person: they file a 1099 or their employer pays them a nominal salary that they largely withhold to pay taxes on tips.

Re:Useless (1)

Merls the Sneaky (1031058) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669225)

It works in Australia, prostitution is legal in registered brothels, they pay taxes and fees. Its still illegal to pick up a customer off the street though.

Re:Useless (4, Insightful)

mooingyak (720677) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669251)

I have heard that many prostitutes file income tax returns.

Reason being that prostitution is usually a misdemeanor offense, while tax evasion is a felony.

Re:Useless (3, Interesting)

guyminuslife (1349809) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669299)

I don't have first-hand knowledge, but I'm pretty sure that the smarter prostitutes pay income tax anyway, and list their occupation as something legal. You pretty much need a bank account, especially if you're in a job that dangerous. That's a paper trail; vice cops are one thing, but the IRS is a beast nobody wants to tangle with.

Of course, it's easy to tax brothels. I believe that one of the reasons why the Nevada cathouses have never been shut down is the fact that so much of the municipal government's revenue comes from taxing prostitution. Brothels, of course, have their own unique problems, though.

Censorship (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 5 years ago | (#25668741)

Last iheard sex between 2 consenting adults was legal in this country, and so was talking about it.

This sounds like yet another nannystate issue where the government is sticking their nose where it does not belong.

Re:Censorship (4, Interesting)

NiceGeek (126629) | more than 5 years ago | (#25668849)

Even more mind-boggling is that making porn movies is legal. So it's only illegal if one of the people gets paid and the other doesn't.

Re:Censorship (3, Interesting)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#25668995)

I'll pay $100 if you:

Contract a performer that I represent for a $50 fee.
Star in an art performance with the performer (who may or may not be me), in which you give him a blow job.

Drum up some paperwork at legalzoom.com and it's air tight.

Re:Censorship (3, Interesting)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669049)

*porn* is not protected by the first amendment. *adult films* are.

Not that i agree, but thats how the supreme court ruled long ago. Its why they have to have a plot ( however thin ) and a dialog ( however small )

Re:Censorship (1)

Babbster (107076) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669169)

Wow. Then I've watched a lot of illegal porn then. Movies with no dialog and no plot are quite common.

Re:Censorship (1)

Knara (9377) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669367)

Max Hardcore (too lazy to look up his real name) got convinced of obscenity in Florida just recently because his videos (which are pretty crazy) ran afoul of FL's obscenity laws. Probably just depends on the AG's desire to make a name for themselves.

On the other hand, Max Hardcore is going to be a goddamn celebrity in prison.

Re:Censorship (2, Insightful)

Babbster (107076) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669485)

The difference between Max Hardcore and most of the porn industry is that his videos are entirely about dressing "barely legal" girls up to look like "non-legal" girls and then humiliate them, often involving urination...not that I think that should be illegal (if somebody wants to buy it and the people involved are consenting adults), but he's definitely at the more extreme edge of porn.

Re:Censorship (1)

Knara (9377) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669565)

Well, yes, obviously. However, it's not like he's a new player in the industry. He's been around for years. It was a very obvious case of an AG seeing something to prosecute that would get him in the paper.

Re:Censorship (1)

Babbster (107076) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669613)

Definitely, although I would note that Florida's actions as regards decency have been out of synch with the rest of the country for a very long time.

Re:Censorship (2, Insightful)

glwtta (532858) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669007)

Last iheard sex between 2 consenting adults was legal in this country, and so was talking about it.

I'm not sure where you are, but here in the US that's not always as certain as we'd like it to be.

Re:Censorship (4, Insightful)

houstonbofh (602064) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669245)

Last iheard sex between 2 consenting adults was legal in this country, and so was talking about it. I'm not sure where you are, but here in the US that's not always as certain as we'd like it to be.

Yep. We seem to have problems with definitions. Such as "consent" "adults" and even "sex."

Except (1)

DesertBlade (741219) | more than 5 years ago | (#25668759)

If the credit card is stolen.....

Re:Except (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669085)

If the credit card is stolen.....

Why steal a credit card when you can use prepaid?
Same deal with the phone number: a prepaid cell that goes straight to voicemail.

At best, this will trip up the stupid.

Re:Except (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669273)

If the credit card is stolen.....

Why steal a credit card when you can use prepaid? Same deal with the phone number: a prepaid cell that goes straight to voicemail.

At best, this will trip up the stupid.

I have never seen a stupid hooker... I am sure this will catch a lot of people. I won't stop anything, but it will result in more arrests and fine$, so will be a success.

Re:Except (1)

planckscale (579258) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669507)

Aren't there differences between a prepaid card and a regular credit card? Couldn't CL filter cards so that PrePaid cards won't work? Couldn't they require the name on the card, security ###'s and expiration dates?

I believe there are more effective means of disrupting human trafficking and exploitation of children.

Just follow the money...

good luck with that (1)

Deanalator (806515) | more than 5 years ago | (#25668833)

Great idea, now craigslist get to take calls from the DA about prostitution AND cc fraud.

Most likely though, sketchy posters will probably just start posting on w4m, ths, lss, etc.

Re:good luck with that (1)

mysidia (191772) | more than 5 years ago | (#25668927)

Even non-sketchy posters will probably just start posting on w4m, ths, lss, etc.

Contrary to the article's assertions $10 for an ad on craigslist is NOT a small fee. When most ads are free.

For me, $10 is TWICE the cost to place a classified ad in the local paper. ($2.00 per line, minimum of 3 lines, ads do appear on the internet)

I think this "deal" with State AGs is more about getting some extra cash for craigslist.

A one-time charge of $10, rather than a per-ad charge of $10 is enough to verify id.

I don't see any reason the charge couldn't be $2 or $3. It's not as if credit card companies bill $10 per transaction.

Re:good luck with that (1)

mysidia (191772) | more than 5 years ago | (#25668979)

Great idea, now craigslist get to take calls from the DA about prostitution AND cc fraud.

Maybe... from the 2% of the population that will actually read their statement thoroughly, investigate, and dispute a possibly unauthorized charge of $10.

Which also perhaps makes CC useless for ID verification; unless they want to increase the cost to $1000 or so, which the legit cardholder is more likely to notice and report.

Sarcasm (4, Insightful)

Renraku (518261) | more than 5 years ago | (#25668863)

Most of the times when the police set up stings for Craigslist ads, several things are required. First, the motive. Obviously money. Then they have to get the prostitute to agree to sex-for-money. I don't think agreeing to it over the phone or via Internet is enough for a conviction. Most stings involve a police officer setting up a 'date' with one of these posters and then springing the trap.

Usually they'll get one hotel room for it somewhere and arrest several in a night.

That being said, why should the government care if someone wants to get right to the point and exchange money directly for sex? There are plenty of people that are too busy/socially inept/ugly/etc to get sex the usual way. So the result is to effectively outlaw their only means of sexual outlet with other people?

Re:Sarcasm (1)

antiquark (87200) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669233)

Why should it be illegal to sell what I can give away for free?

  -- George Carlin, or someone...

Re:Sarcasm (3, Insightful)

QRDeNameland (873957) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669391)

George Carlin's line was (to my best recollection): "Selling is legal, and fucking is legal, so why isn't selling fucking legal?"

Re:Sarcasm (1)

phatvw (996438) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669249)

There are plenty of people that are too busy/socially inept/ugly/etc to get sex the usual way. So the result is to effectively outlaw their only means of sexual outlet with other people?

Beer has enabled ugly people to get sex for centuries.

Re:Sarcasm (2, Insightful)

vux984 (928602) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669287)

That being said, why should the government care if someone wants to get right to the point and exchange money directly for sex?

Because far too often at least one of the parties doesn't really want to be there. And is 'consenting' to something out of financial desperation/outright fear. That isn't how business transactions are supposed to be conducted.

So society has decided there are a few things you just can't sell, because it leads to extreme exploitation/harm. So, you can't sell your organs or sex.

Does this -really- bother you? If so, you are in the distinct minority.

There are plenty of people that are too busy/socially inept/ugly/etc to get sex the usual way. So the result is to effectively outlaw their only means of sexual outlet with other people?

There are plenty of people that need new organs too, some of them die from the lack. I sleep fine at night, I think I'll survive knowing some 'too busy dirty asshole' didn't get to buy sex.

Now, there is some legitimacy to a successful independent call-girl, living life on her own terms, exercising discretion when choosing her "customers", actually enjoying the sex, etc. Sure, maybe that really should be legal.

But if you are going to legalize prostitution, how are you going to keep 'survival sex' illegal? Because I don't believe society should put people into a position where they only consent to sex to survive.

Re:Sarcasm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25669403)

But if you are going to legalize prostitution, how are you going to keep 'survival sex' illegal? Because I don't believe society should put people into a position where they only consent to sex to survive.

Regulate it. That's how every other risky industry works, including the ones that do direct harm to the consumer (such as tobacco), or involve risk to the workers (such as every dangerous factory/farm/boat).

Re:Sarcasm (4, Insightful)

evanbd (210358) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669417)

But if you are going to legalize prostitution, how are you going to keep 'survival sex' illegal? Because I don't believe society should put people into a position where they only consent to sex to survive.

What makes you think making it illegal helps? The way to stop people having sex for money to survive is to make it so they don't need to. If they need to, they will, and making it illegal just makes it riskier for them. As you say, society shouldn't put them in that position; it certainly shouldn't put them in a position where they need to have illegal sex to survive.

People having sex to survive, and that sex being illegal, are two different problems. Solving either one while ignoring the other is better than doing nothing, though obviously solving both is better.

Re:Sarcasm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25669433)

Because far too often at least one of the parties doesn't really want to be there. And is 'consenting' to something out of financial desperation/outright fear. That isn't how business transactions are supposed to be conducted.

So society has decided there are a few things you just can't sell, because it leads to extreme exploitation/harm. So, you can't sell your organs or sex.

Your reasons why the prostitute doesn't want to be there are largely because it is illegal. If it were legal, there wouldn't be thug/pimps forcing them into the sex trade. If it were legal, there would be governmental regulation over the process, ensuring that it is not particularly unpleasant for the prostitute.

But yes, even if it is legal, the prostitute might only be doing it for the money and not really want to do it. Guess what? I don't want to go to my job either. People do much worse things than have sex and get paid far less money for it. That's life.

Re:Sarcasm (2, Insightful)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669435)

There are plenty of people that need new organs too, some of them die from the lack. I sleep fine at night, I think I'll survive knowing some 'too busy dirty asshole' didn't get to buy sex.

Or some dirty filthy faggot isn't having gay sex, thank God. Or some dirty filthy hippie isn't living in a commune, thank God. And what about the dirty filthy atheists sleeping in on Sundays? Should get them to church where they can work it out with the Lord!

As for your talk of women having sex for money, I can't tell you how many failed marriages I've seen essentially amounted to the same thing. The woman is with the man because of his earning potential. He loses his job, can't pull down six figures at a new one, she moves on. A whore is honest, she tells you she's fucking for money. Women like this are dishonest whores.

(not trying to let men off the hook, the kind who churn through trophy wives, but we're talking about prostitution here, usually considered to be men soliciting women.)

Re:Sarcasm (1)

Knara (9377) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669475)

That being said, why should the government care if someone wants to get right to the point and exchange money directly for sex?

Because far too often at least one of the parties doesn't really want to be there. And is 'consenting' to something out of financial desperation/outright fear. That isn't how business transactions are supposed to be conducted.

So society has decided there are a few things you just can't sell, because it leads to extreme exploitation/harm. So, you can't sell your organs or sex.

So, like working for Wal-Mart? Restricting whole industries because *some* workers in that industry is stupid. That's why we have labor laws. Another example of redundant laws for no reason. Forcing someone to work against their will is already illegal, so why do we need another law to make a whole industry illegal to stop it? (Furthermore, if the industry is illegal, the number of people in poor working conditions will be much larger than if it is legal and regulated).

Also, organ-selling and prostitution are not in the same neighborhood. You're not going to grow a new eye or kidney, but you can have sex over and over and over again. This ignores the fact that eventually we'll be able to grow organs and selling organs will be a multi-billion dollar industry.

Does this -really- bother you? If so, you are in the distinct minority.

Doesn't mean he's incorrect.

There are plenty of people that are too busy/socially inept/ugly/etc to get sex the usual way. So the result is to effectively outlaw their only means of sexual outlet with other people?

There are plenty of people that need new organs too, some of them die from the lack. I sleep fine at night, I think I'll survive knowing some 'too busy dirty asshole' didn't get to buy sex.

Now, there is some legitimacy to a successful independent call-girl, living life on her own terms, exercising discretion when choosing her "customers", actually enjoying the sex, etc. Sure, maybe that really should be legal.

But if you are going to legalize prostitution, how are you going to keep 'survival sex' illegal? Because I don't believe society should put people into a position where they only consent to sex to survive.

Why? People consent to all sorts of other things in order to survive. Wouldn't it be better if they were consenting in a regulated, safe manner instead of a street-level, criminal-element environment?

You cannot prevent people from being exploited in any industry, but once again, just because some people in an industry are engaging in illegal or immortal conduct, doesn't mean the solution is to outlaw the entire industry. If that logically held, there'd be very, very few industries that were still standing.

Re:Sarcasm (1)

Knara (9377) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669515)

I forgot to offer an example: I consent to spend 9 hours a day fixing people's computers when I, by and large, don't like them (the people) very much. I do it in exchange for a good income and health benefits. The entire labor force consents to activity in exchange for money (some of which is potentially very hazardous), so how would consenting to money for sex (in a legalized, regulated industry) be any different?

Re:Sarcasm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25669595)

You can't seriously believe half the tripe you put into this post.

Without citation, this is just some personal belief held by you, and you alone. The parent had the right idea. Take your "distinct minority" bullshit elsewhere unless you're willing to back up your claim by solid facts.

Why do we allow idiotic posts like this anyways?

Re:Sarcasm (1)

pluther (647209) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669603)

But if you are going to legalize prostitution, how are you going to keep 'survival sex' illegal? Because I don't believe society should put people into a position where they only consent to sex to survive.

But "society" does that now.

Outlawing prostitution does nothing to stop it.

But legalizing it would end a whole set of associated abuses. Protection for the people involved would be the biggest one. When a girl is beaten up, or robbed, or simply not paid for her services, she can't currently go to the police. Regulations requiring the house to provide regular medical checkups for their employees would eliminate a lot of spread of disease.

Tons of other problems would be solved as well.

How about the ability of a woman to refuse service to some people without worrying about her pimp cutting her up to make an example for the others?

Not having to hide would let them have a specific place to work without having to get into a car with an unknown man and being driven off never to be seen again.

If you're truly concerned about the prostitutes themselves, the best thing to do for them would be to legalize and regulate the industry.

The biggest reason to keep it illegal seems less a concern for those involved and more of a fear of seeming to condone it.

As for being forced into it due to economic circumstances, that's what happens in *any* profession. (I wouldn't be an engineer if I could keep my current standard of living as a writer.) There are lots of people to whom sex simply isn't a big deal, and would rather work 10 hours a week on their back than 50 hours on their feet.

Re:Sarcasm (1)

jcr (53032) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669323)

Most stings involve a police officer setting up a 'date' with one of these posters and then springing the trap.

As a taxpayer, this bugs me about as much as the war on drugs. I want the cops to be concentrating on dangerous criminals. Burglars, muggers, murderers, and of course, politicians. Two people exchanging sex for money doesn't endanger me in any way.

-jcr

I assume (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25668867)

the "bones" tag was intended to be boners, yes?

Combat child exploitation (3, Funny)

MartinSchou (1360093) | more than 5 years ago | (#25668899)

If they are donating money to a charity to combat child exploitation, can we please have that charity fight the constant "think of the kids", "harm to kids", "oh noes, kids might see this" exploitation?

Their motto should be a George Carlin quote: "Fuck the children!"

To quote Geroge Carlin... (3, Insightful)

thenewguy001 (1290738) | more than 5 years ago | (#25668917)

Selling is legal. Fucking is legal. So why isn't selling fucking legal?

Re:To quote Geroge Carlin... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25669023)

Actually, in a lot of places fucking is illegal, unless you are fucking your spouse.

Re:To quote Geroge Carlin... (4, Funny)

forkazoo (138186) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669267)

Selling is legal. Fucking is legal. So why isn't selling fucking legal?

The illegality of each of those things is negative. So, when you multiply them together, you are bound to wind up with a result that has positive illegality, duh. It's pretty basic arithmetic. Of course, it does lead to the little known fact that doing any two legal things together is illegal. Aside from selling fucking, driving while blindfolded is another relatively obvious example. Most minor cases of doing two legal things at the same time are never prosecuted, but standing while muttering is technically not legal, thanks to math.

Of course, the circumvent the issue, you just need to do a third legal thing while you whore yourself out, like read a book. Then the extra minus sign multiplies through and they can't do anything to you.

Re:To quote Geroge Carlin... (2, Insightful)

Savatte (111615) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669545)

It's like Matt Groening's great cinema paradox:

the french are funy
sex is funny
comedy is funny

yet no french sex comedy is funny

Re:To quote Geroge Carlin... (1)

Ecuador (740021) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669561)

Indeed a paradox. Throw in half the female police force scantily clad pretending to be selling fucking and you get the US situation ( except LV ;) ).
Selling fucking is legal in most countries since the dawn of mankind.
The faux morality in the US prevents if from being legal, however you can always go around that limitation if you have a camera. Fucking becomes acting, and all is well...

myredbook (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25668935)

lol, here in the bay most ho's and mongers use myredbook.com anyway. less spam.

I've always wondered about these... (2, Interesting)

religious freak (1005821) | more than 5 years ago | (#25668955)

I've looked at these a couple times with some friends. We've always wondered if these things are for real. I personally think you'll probably end up with a fat dude that wants to give you an STD. But since my friend is single and desperate, he wants to give it a shot.

Anybody know what's up with these? Aren't these just scam artists, fake, criminals, or just plain old fashioned prostitutes?

Re:I've always wondered about these... (0, Flamebait)

Quasar1999 (520073) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669005)

But since my friend is single and desperate

And by your friend, you mean you.

It's okay, it's slashdot, nobody will judge (and they'd be a hypocrite if they did!)

Re:I've always wondered about these... (1)

religious freak (1005821) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669321)

Ha! Yeah, after I reread my post, I kind of thought it sounded like it was me. But it's really not. But either way - eh, it's the Internet so no one really cares.

I really am curious though, I figure I'll let him give it a shot and see what happens. I would try it after that, but I don't think my wife would much appreciate it :P

Re:I've always wondered about these... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25669293)

Some are real - it's all about being careful and cross referencing with other sites (like TER or BD). I mainly "hobby" during business trips, where I don't know the local landscape. I use (or I guess, used, past tense) CL for the quantity and a good representation of who is still in business and active. These are the ones I can xref to other sites and narrow my search to 1 or 2 final candidates. It works (or used to) well, I've gotten my fix on nearly every business trip the last 4 years.

MOD PARENT UP! (1)

religious freak (1005821) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669387)

I mean if you think looking for whores is informative. I don't see anything wrong with it, I just don't think my wife would appreciate me partaking in it. Plus I can't say it's too appealing to me because I get as much as I want - but if someone wants to go for it, more power to ya!

Though I'm not sure what TER and BD are...

Re:I've always wondered about these... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25669539)

It really depends on the part of the country you are in. In high population areas, there are more scam posts. Most of the legitimate posts are from call girls or their agencies, and show up on a regular basis.

The generic "IM me at ********" with no phone number is usually scam artists. They want to you to pay a web site for "verification" purposes, and afterwards you can't find them for a date.

There are web sites where customers can verify the legitimacy of the worker, and on some (for a small fee) read reviews of the deeds performed written by customers. The erotic review (TER) is one such site, there are several others. It is still possible to game the review systems, just a little harder. Most workers rely on good reviews posted in one or more review forums.

There was someone who took several Craigslist service providers out for real dates... cannot find the web page for that, sorry.

Re:I've always wondered about these... (1)

guyminuslife (1349809) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669645)

Some are. Some are undercover vice cops. There is a plethora of news articles about, "The Oldest Profession Goes High-Tech," and give myriad examples of prostitutes, and johns, busted through Craigslist.

If you ever watched the TV show, "Secret Diary of a Call Girl," they mention prostitution web sites a lot, where hookers advertise and johns give reviews. I did some Googling around and yes, those sites exist, and are considered "safer" than Craigslist. I read through the forums on one of them and found it extremely entertaining---everything sexual or illegal is referred to in code words, there are Q&A sections and prostitution FAQs, etiquette guides, etc.

That said, my interest is purely academic and I've never tried it, so I can't give any advice for "your friend."

I'm kind of suprised ... (2, Funny)

Starteck81 (917280) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669097)

... how many /.ers are pro prostitute.

On second thought it is kind of hard to get a date when you're living in your mom's basement.

Re:I'm kind of suprised ... (1)

compro01 (777531) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669259)

Seems to be more anti-stupid-pointless-counter-effective-morality-police-legislation than pro-prostitution.

Re:I'm kind of suprised ... (1)

Zironic (1112127) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669447)

I agree, I have no plans that involves paying for sex, but I think the prostitution laws are counter productive.

Re:I'm kind of suprised ... (4, Informative)

houstonbofh (602064) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669333)

... how many /.ers are pro prostitute.

It is less "pro prostitute" and more "anti restrictions." The government should not stop me from doing anything! (Unless it is someone else doing it to me)

Craigslist is slowly losing it's merit. (1)

Joe Snipe (224958) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669327)

About two weeks ago they decided to "curb spammers" by charging $25 to list a help wanted ad. When questioned, they offer up a FAQ [craigslist.org] which states that "We've charged for jobs in San Francisco for 10 years, no destruction so far."
So one of the most expensive cities in the union is the base for comparison?

I'm seeing a trend and I'm not liking it.

Re:Craigslist is slowly losing it's merit. (1)

R2.0 (532027) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669619)

Yeah, how dare Craigslist charge money! I mean, it's not like one of the most visited sites in the world has bandwidth bills. Or employees. Or legal fees. Or offices.

Greedy bastards.

Big Deal (2, Informative)

teddaman (854135) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669467)

Go to Walgreens and buy a pre-paid Visa card. While you're there, grab a Crack Phone for $20 and post your ad from an anon email account. Profit!

So it really becomes a 'fun tax' (1)

jmcwork (564008) | more than 5 years ago | (#25669583)

The providers will just add the 'advertising fee' to their prices. So the average price will go from $250 to $275. Er, I mean it will go from whatever they charge now to that plus $25. (Damn, now I have to rework my budget!)
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