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Obama Launches Change.gov

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 5 years ago | from the transparency-in-government-would-be-great dept.

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mallumax writes "Obama has launched Change.gov. According to the site 'Change.gov provides resources to better understand the transition process and the decisions being made as part of it. It also offers an opportunity to be heard about the challenges our country faces and your ideas for tackling them. The Obama Administration will reflect an essential lesson from the success of the Obama campaign: that people united around a common purpose can achieve great things.' The site is extensive and contains Obama's agenda for economy and education among many others. They first define the problem and then lay out the plan. Everything is in simple English without a trace of Washington-speak. The site also has details about the transition. According to many sources, Obama's transition efforts started months ago. The copyright for the content is held by 'Obama-Biden Transition Project, a 501c(4) organization'."

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Obama (4, Funny)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677501)

First Obama

Re:Obama (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25677511)

First post complaining that this is not "news for nerds."

Re:Obama (0, Flamebait)

philspear (1142299) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677645)

What are you talking about? "Nerd" hasn't been redefined as "someone who ONLY cares about a small subset of trivial things that are not politics" has it?

Great! (5, Funny)

damburger (981828) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677519)

Now you can be ignored by politicians faster and more efficiently than ever before!

Re:Great! (3, Funny)

bennomatic (691188) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677533)

Cynic!

Re:Great! (5, Funny)

composer777 (175489) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677737)

I agree. People should be able to post their comments to a publicly viewable forum so that an open discussion and debate can occur.

Stresstest (5, Funny)

Narpak (961733) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677527)

Well posting this on slashdot should ensure that their servers get a proper stress-test.

The world has caught on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25677639)

That was a relevant fact five or more years ago. Today, the world has caught up with the Slashdot crowd.

Sad, but true.

_

Re:The world has caught on (1)

orclevegam (940336) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677805)

That was a relevant fact five or more years ago. Today, the world has caught up with the Slashdot crowd.

Sad, but true.

_

And yet, somehow getting linked on slashdot can still kill servers. Admittedly most commercial servers of at least moderate size can take the load, but there's still plenty of smaller companies and private servers that tend to fall flat when slashdot comes calling. Also those that make the mistake of streaming video are particularly vulnerable even among the medium sized companies.

Re:Stresstest (3, Interesting)

Jimmyisikura (1274808) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677835)

Well I skimmed the tech section, nothing on copyright infringement. If Biden would admit he is the RIAA lackey, then they would get a true stress test.

"Propaganda" (5, Insightful)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677535)

I know this is probably gonna get me marked down from some of Obama's more, ehm, "faithful"--and I'm not excusing anything past politicians have done, in either party, oh no--but this seems too much like propaganda. "Ministry of Change", heh.

It also seems like he's unveiling things he didn't talk about that much:

The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nationâ(TM)s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.

Mandatory community service? Great, let's send a bunch of unmotivated kids to do stupid work. Hell, that kind of shit would have been a nightmare for me at that age when I had massive social anxiety and was extremely uncomfortable in such situations.

Of course, people will come out of the woodwork to say how because it's something that people "should" do (because helping people IS nice, after all...) that Obama should MAKE you do it. Please, someone explain to me how you justify that leap.

Re:"Propaganda" (5, Informative)

TheSpoom (715771) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677595)

They did talk about it, actually. [barackobama.com] There was also a YouTube video, one of the "Blueprint for Change" series. [youtube.com]

Whether or not it's a good thing... I don't know. It seems perhaps a bit much to force students to help out... but then, it could do some serious good as well.

Re:"Propaganda" (4, Informative)

Cristofori42 (1001206) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677809)

The youtube video was interesting, and if what he states in there is still accurate then it's not quite "mandatory", but it still feels rather intrusive to me to make government funding for schools contingent on developing service programs (if I understood that correctly).

The $4000 tax credit for college students that do 100 hours of service didn't seem all that unreasonable to me.

Re:"Propaganda" (1)

sycodon (149926) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677929)

Depends on what "service" you have to do and who gets to choose what service you do.

I can see any number of groups and/or public figures objecting to someone doing their public service at a religous institution.

Re:"Propaganda" (1)

Kligat (1244968) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677617)

What Obama said during the general elections was that high school students could get scholarship benefits for college through community service --- you help make America great, America helps you. Now he's making it mandatory? Here we have the first post-election broken campaign promise.

Re:"Propaganda" (1)

TheSpoom (715771) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677853)

Give it a bit, it's been three days since the election. I doubt that repayment idea will disappear.

Re:"Propaganda" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25677885)

Well most schools already have mandatory community service hours.. my middle and high schools had much more than 50/year. And this might be a change, but on the Service page he says the college community service is only mandatory if you want a $4,000 tax credit that year. And $40/hour in tax credits isn't bad for a college student.

Re:"Propaganda" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25677911)

That's what it sounded like to me. You opt in for the opportunity tax credit worth $4000, and in exchange you essentially pay for it by doing 100 hours of community service a year. That's around 2 hours a week for an entire year. Sounds better than being in debt with interest!

Also, the middle and high school students aren't required to do 50 hours, on the site it says that it's a "goal".

Re:"Propaganda" (4, Interesting)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677621)

We have mandatory community service in Ontario, to complete their highschool education, I for one was glad I was far out of reach of such policies. I'm not a fan of forcing people to go out and do things such as 'voluntary-mandatory community service'. With any luck, if he does decide to pull this bullshit through the air, people will run across fellows who remember this and happily do one thing(should it be a requirement for say graduation/etc), pay them for it; like many do here now.

Community service should remain that, a choice. Do it, great, nice job on you. Don't do it...well, it doesn't look as good and you might get passed over, but it doesn't matter in the end. It's the choices that make you what you are, not what the government is telling you what you should do.

Re:"Propaganda" (2, Insightful)

Atlantis-Rising (857278) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677825)

Mandatory community service is, like any other high school degree requirement, just as much bullshit as you want it to be. Do you get paid for taking math classes? Or civics classes? Of course not. It's just a requirement for graduation.

Where I went to school, it was necessary to do 10 hours per year of community service... I did 150. Not through any particularly large expenditure of effort on my part. I think it was 2.5 hours a week one evening a week plus a weekend. There were people out there who put in triple or quadruple that without much trouble- per year.

Moreover, it was one of the rare things at the time that had a chance to put a kid in a position of authority. And that was a really good thing.

Re:"Propaganda" (3, Interesting)

oahazmatt (868057) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677623)

Really? One of my requirements for graduation was that I had to do 10 hours of community service. And this was a public high school.

Re:"Propaganda" (3, Insightful)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677647)

Mandatory community service?
Sounds a bit like slavery to me.

Re:"Propaganda" (2, Insightful)

kwerle (39371) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677653)

There are many european countries in which public service is required. This can mean military, fire, police, or others. I think it's a great idea.

I'm interested to see how Obama's plan plays out.

Re:"Propaganda" (1)

ccandreva (409807) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677887)

That many European countries require it isn't going to be a selling point to much of America.

A strike against it, if anything.

Keep in mind that we left Europe for a reason.

Re:"Propaganda" (5, Insightful)

IchNiSan (526249) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677659)

Forget all that stuff. What gets me is that he promised more openness and transparency in government, and holy fucking shit, he ain't even in office yet and has a .gov being (apparently) more open and transparent.

This man is dangerous, this is just more proof that there is truth coming out of his mouth, how can we possibly survive when politicians don't lie every time they open their mouths?

Re:"Propaganda" (2, Insightful)

sycodon (149926) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677815)

It's simply a way to keep everyone distracted while they implment entirely different laws.

I can already see people on slashdot citing this website to refute arguments against pending legislation.

Re:"Propaganda" (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25677679)

Mandatory community service? Great, let's send a bunch of unmotivated kids to do stupid work. Hell, that kind of shit would have been a nightmare for me at that age when I had massive social anxiety and was extremely uncomfortable in such situations.

extremely uncomfortable - you poor baby. public presentation made me "extremely" uncomfortable, maybe it shouldn't have been required. Life can be extremely uncomfortable (even for Americans) so suck it up. A little community service would probably be an excellent "real world" learning experience for many kids.

Re:"Propaganda" (5, Insightful)

jav1231 (539129) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677683)

Don't forget that this is all what Obama collectively called the "Civil Security Force." I was ridiculed for pointing this out and told that it was merely an expansion of the Peace Corp and other organizations. But "Civil Security Force" are Obama's words and to my knowledge the Peace Corp doesn't "secure" anything. Like most agendas like this these things sound great on paper (who can argue with "serving" your country?) but there's a creepiness to it as well not to mention ominous possibilities. What happens if one wishes to exercise the freedom to abstain? Shouldn't such a freedom exist in a "free" society?

Re:"Propaganda" (-1, Troll)

Atlantis-Rising (857278) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677865)

What happens if one wishes to exercise the freedom to abstain from paying taxes?

Shouldn't such a freedom exist in a 'free' society?

What happens... is the IRS comes and locks you up.

There is no necessity that such a freedom should exist in a free society.

Re:"Propaganda" (2, Insightful)

composer777 (175489) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677697)

If they cut back our work weeks to something reasonable (maybe a French work week of 30 hours, with 6 weeks paid vacation) then I'll be happy to do community service. As it stands, community service is an insult to an overworked and underpaid workforce.

Or, they could take all of the currently unemployed, who WANT to work, and actually PAY them to do work that needs to be done, such as infrastructure maintenance and improvement.

To be honest, I don't want to serve the current system, I want to change it, there is a big difference.

this country (5, Interesting)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677699)

as well as many others, have fought important wars with drafted soldiers

"Mandatory community service? Great, let's send a bunch of unmotivated kids to do stupid work. Hell, that kind of shit would have been a nightmare for me at that age when I had massive social anxiety and was extremely uncomfortable in such situations."

so you have a problem with the fighting forces of world war i and world war ii? where we gave 18 year olds guns and made them serve on the front lines of mayhem and death? i'm just saying, you'd better have a problem with the idea of a military draft, for the sake of intellectual honesty

although, i've heard stories of many countries with mandatory military service as nothing more than a chance to learn smoking and peel potatoes. so mandatory civil service might prove stupid... or really good, can't tell

but i do like the idea of paying off part of your student loans this way. because it serves as a carrot and a stick. if your civil service effort is poor, you would be punished by having to still pay your loans in full, for example. this at least provides motivation

Re:this country (1)

NiceGeek (126629) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677821)

Well, I wasn't motivated to go to algebra class, but I had to go. The little darlings can get over it.

Re:this country (5, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677875)

so you have a problem with the fighting forces of world war i and world war ii? where we gave 18 year olds guns and made them serve on the front lines of mayhem and death? i'm just saying, you'd better have a problem with the idea of a military draft, for the sake of intellectual honesty

Actually, I do have a problem with it. One of the key force multipliers that the brass has identified is that a voluntary fighting force is many times more effective than a drafted force. One of the key issues in WWI and WWII is that our men were dying without ever firing their weapon.

It's not that they never had an opportunity, but rather that they were not professional soldiers. Being pressed into service with the fairly limited weapons training of the time did not train them to respond on instinct. They thought too much before pulling the trigger, and it got a lot of good men killed.

However, the draft was a necessity for WWI & II. It wasn't until Vietnam that the true horrors of a draft became apparent. How many good men died in a war where we never lost a battle but lost the war? How many vets came back to be spat on, beat up, and otherwise disowned by the American people? How many vets lost limbs or were crippled only to come back and find hatred rather than care?

The draft is an evil thing. Sometimes a necessary evil, but evil none the less. I can only hope that the US will never have to issue a draft again.

Re:"Propaganda" (1)

NiceGeek (126629) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677711)

Many public schools already have manditory community service. If you don't want your little darlings to experience hard work then home school them or put them in public school.

The college community service thing is voluntary and is in exchange for a $4000 tuition break.

Re:"Propaganda" (1)

NiceGeek (126629) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677731)

That should say "put them in private school" not "public" - ugh

Re:"Propaganda" (1)

philspear (1142299) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677721)

let's send a bunch of unmotivated kids to do stupid work.

Well, forcing them do something is at least one way to ensure they're no longer unmotivated. Now they'll have a reason to take an interest in politics. Anyway, it's not like they're doing much important now. Most of my time in high school was spent playing "Marathon" and listening to bad music. They're frittering their time away.

Although that may not really be a good reason to force them to community service... as I post on slashdot at work...

Re:"Propaganda" (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25677723)

Amendment 13 to the constitution:

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Does Obama want to revoke that? I won't discuss the irony of the situation.

Mod me troll. I fear you not. (About the anonymous coward thing, i've just been too lazy to make an account.)

Re:"Propaganda" (2)

daseinw (244962) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677729)

let's send a bunch of unmotivated kids to do stupid work

Isn't it more like, let's motivate (albeit forcibly) a bunch of stupid kids to do important work?

We constantly bemoan the self-centeredness of our country, the fact that so many people only look out for themselves, the obsession with MYspace, FACEbook, ME ME ME that permeates our country... We castigate the greed on Wall Street but we do nothing about fostering a greater sense of community among our youth. Where do you think those self-focused teens end up, if not on Wall Street (in part---not knocking everyone on the St.)

So then, what exactly is "bad" about getting kids off of the couch and getting them to do valuable work for their communities? Work that benefits someone other than themselves? Work that teaches them that other people have problems much worse than their own?

That aside... I do think the change website smells of propaganda--- attaching the word "change" to political leanings is like attaching "family values" to political leanings. The worth of both is all a question of perspective.

Dear Sir (5, Informative)

coryking (104614) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677735)

The government is paying a good chunk of your tuition in exchange for 100 hours of community service. Sounds like a fair exchange for me.

Head Start.

Do you know what this program is? The government lets you to earn college credit while you are in high school. Many of my classmates were able to graduate with a bachelor degree a year before us chumps who didn't take uncle sam up on the offer.

Hell, that kind of shit would have been a nightmare for me at that age when I had massive social anxiety and was extremely uncomfortable in such situations.

How do you know this? Maybe it would have got you over it sooner. In fact, I wager most of the people in head start did it to get away from their high school foes and sit around people who respected smarts.

that Obama should MAKE you do it

If you dont want to do it, pay full freight on your college tuition instead! Nobody is pointing a gun at your head saying "cash this government check!!"

Re:Dear Sir (4, Interesting)

characterZer0 (138196) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677847)

The government is paying a good chunk of your tuition in exchange for 100 hours of community service. Sounds like a fair exchange for me.

Exactly which part of the constitution are we deliberately misinterpreting to give the federal government the authority to do this?

Re:"Propaganda" (1)

Coraon (1080675) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677751)

Many countries around the world have this, Ontario Canada has this and I have to say it actually help'ed give the youth a better understanding on their community. In my youth without prompting I did well over 1k hours of community service and I think it made me care more about where I live.

Re:"Propaganda" well... (1)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677757)

He DID say - and DID run oo the platform for - "change"...

Shut up and drink your kool-ade n/t (1)

chiangovitch (1371251) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677781)

Shut up and drink your kool-ade n/t

Not particularly focused on (1)

KalvinB (205500) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677811)

but this was known if you followed right wing blogs. The idea was to pay college students $5000 if they completed 100 hours of community service. So that works out to $50 an hour. Obama may be changing his mind and skipping out on the pay and just requiring the work.

I got my currently salaried position as a developer without a degree. I'm going to be encouraging my daughter to focus on her talents early like I did so she can start on her career before she finishes college. Not many students do that. A lot of them expect to go to college for four years, never have a job prior and then get a high paying job.

I did end up getting a degree but it wasn't entirely necessary. If I felt like a requirement to get the piece of paper was too absurd I could have just passed on it and been fine. Most students can't do that.

Re:"Propaganda" (4, Informative)

LanMan04 (790429) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677817)

Mandatory community service? Great, let's send a bunch of unmotivated kids to do stupid work. Hell, that kind of shit would have been a nightmare for me at that age when I had massive social anxiety and was extremely uncomfortable in such situations.

Maybe it would have made you a more well-rounded person. /shrug

Re:"Propaganda" (1)

Mikkeles (698461) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677839)

...by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year.

'Mandatory community service?'

It's actually called slavery and just Obama's way of getting back at the whites.

Re:"Propaganda" (1)

KamuZ (127113) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677845)

I'm not from USA or live there but i attended a private school (for college) here in Mexico and i had to do about 40 hours of community service to be able to graduate.

Re:"Propaganda" (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25677859)

Actually, I have to disagree with you on that note. Quite a bit of community service isn't stupid at all; lots of it is just simply helping to clean up places that need it. True, making it mandatory is a huge pain - but I've also heard that the "mandatory" is only for people who want federal student aid for tuition once you get to college. That's a massive number of us(myself included), and I would've chafed at that in high school, but it's invaluable to have experiences where you have to look at what other people go through. Sometimes, in the deepest depths of my own teenage angst, being able to put aside my own "Yeah, whatever" attitude, and stop focusing on my own "problems" of not being accepted, for a couple of hours to do something nice for someone was the only thing able to pull me out of that immature rut.

Even 100 hours isn't really that much, over the course of a year - not even 2 hours a week, averaged out - but I do concede that you have a point. If we start making it mandatory, it may very well lose some of its value to the people who do it. The same way you can do something all the time as a hobby happily, but having to do it for a job can take all the joy away.

Let's hope that it gets explained better, and that if we do decide to adopt it as a country, that the positives will more than outweigh the negatives. Maybe, for instance, it can be provided as an alternative to registering for Selective Services. I know I would much rather have done community service every week than have my name in a hat for a potential draft.

Re:"Propaganda" (4, Interesting)

jdc180 (125863) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677871)

Did You Read It?

Expand Service-Learning in Our Nation's Schools: Obama and Biden will set a goal that all middle and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year.
seems reasonable to me, i remeber doing a lot more than that in school, I imagine most schools aready do that... think canning drives, fund raisers etc...

Require 100 Hours of Service in College: Obama and Biden will establish a new American Opportunity Tax Credit that is worth $4,000 a year in exchange for 100 hours of public service a year.
again seems reasonable to me. You want money, do some work for it. Where else you gonna make $40 bucks an hour in college?

Re:"Propaganda" (1)

sesshomaru (173381) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677873)

Well, that sucks. Makes me wish there had been a Libertarian running this year so I would have had someone to vote for.

Re:"Propaganda" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25677893)

I hate to seem crass, but this is a really good thing. Your one excuse for not helping your fellow man is that you feel awkward doing it?

For the record I am a university student in Canada, and in high school I had 80 hours of mandatory community service. At first it was kind of tough, and noone really wants to do it. But once you get out there and you realize the good that you're doing; it's a pleasure just to help out.

Too many people in this world live in their own sheltered environments without consideration for the struggles other people must go through.

Re:"Propaganda" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25677939)

I'm not sure he goes far enough. For some years I've thought it might be a good idea to have a mandatory 'service', modeled on the CCC or military (individual's choice) for maybe one summer, like after HS graduation. It could replace the draft, you know? A lot of valuable work would be done as well as cross-cultural exchange.

I am hugely disappointed Obama got elected (1)

unassimilatible (225662) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677945)

But I have always liked this idea of a community service requirement. I think countries with mandatory military service have a better sense of community, shared purpose, citizenship. I mean, come on people, compared to being held upside down and shaken every year for endless taxes, this isn't much to ask.

But of course, not everyone is cut out for the military, especially the US military. So I've always thought that the military could be but one of the types of service. I only hope President Obama remembers to include military service as one type of way to serve your country.

It is funny coming from Obama though, since his campaign themes seemed to be more about what your country can do for you [michellemalkin.com] . But I'll give the guy a chance in his first 100 days and not be a petulant baby, as the left did to Bush, right out the gate.

.gov? (3, Insightful)

thetagger (1057066) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677541)

How the hell did they get a .gov domain considering that they aren't even in power yet? And even if they were, is this the kind of stuff .gov was created for?

Re:.gov? (1, Insightful)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677589)

Good question. I was wondering that myself.

I can't say I'm very fond of this. It looks like they're using .gov to SELL Obama even more to the population. IMO, .gov should be used to government functioning, not "propaganda" (if that's the best term here)

Re:.gov? (5, Insightful)

TheSpoom (715771) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677651)

Yeah, how dare he inform the public of what is actually happening in one of the most important transitions that can happen in government!

Whether or not it should be .gov is really a technicality IMHO. He is the president-elect, after all.

Re:.gov? (5, Informative)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677655)

This is not an uncommon use of a .gov domain. Just look at the Dem [dems.gov] and GOP [gop.gov] House Caucus sites. The GOP caucus has a nice set of articles on "THE COST OF THE DEMOCRAT CONGRESS" and the Dem site, while not containing any hit pieces, has a lot of advocacy.

Not saying it's appropriate, just there's a precedent for it and it's not beyond any pale of anything.

what? (1)

IchNiSan (526249) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677719)

Hmm, I just went to whitehouse.gov and energy.gov, looks like a bunch of propaganda crap to me.

What gave you that kind of idea? /sarcasm

Re:.gov? (1)

venicebeach (702856) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677671)

Is it possible he has access because he's a senator?

Re:.gov? (1)

Nutria (679911) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677753)

How the hell did they get a .gov domain considering that they aren't even in power yet?

Simple: they asked W to do it, and he, being a nice guy who knows he's on the way out anyway and is making a big effort to ensure a smooth transition, told his people to let the Obamanites have at it.

What I really want to know is how material on a .gov website can be copyrighted by anyone besides the government?

Re:.gov? (3, Insightful)

Cowclops (630818) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677869)

The government can not copyright material. All material produced by government is owned by the people collectively. But I'm not entirely sure what you're specifically referring to.

Re:.gov? (1)

MBoffin (259181) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677829)

How the hell did they get a .gov domain considering that they aren't even in power yet? And even if they were, is this the kind of stuff .gov was created for?

The word "senator" is the word I think you're looking for. Because, you know, the Senate is part of the government.

(Okay, I apologize for being an ass about this.)

Wow a President that plans ahead!!! (5, Funny)

strangeattraction (1058568) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677543)

It has been a long time since that has happend.

Yes We Can - Draft you! (5, Informative)

megamerican (1073936) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677747)

http://www.change.gov/americaserves [change.gov]

Classic double-think

"When you choose to serve -- whether it's your nation, your community or simply your neighborhood....

Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year.

Obama's chief of staff choice favors compulsory universal service [examiner.com]

Obama and Hillary Call for a Draft Live on MTV [barackswar.com]

Text of H.R. 393: Universal National Service Act of 2007 [govtrack.us]

Obama Calls For National Civilian Stasi [prisonplanet.com]

Constitution, what Constitution?

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Re:Wow a President that plans ahead!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25677837)

It has been a long time since that has happend.

Second that !
Or a president trying to prove his worth too early.

Re:Wow a President that plans ahead!!! (4, Insightful)

characterZer0 (138196) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677891)

No it hasn't. Bush & Co. spent years planning their assault on the constitution.

It Begins (4, Insightful)

tripdizzle (1386273) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677545)

This is the first installment of the government run media machine and how they will humor your requests http://www.change.gov/page/s/yourvision [change.gov]

Why not... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25677553)

The change.gov website specifically asks for your ideas [change.gov] . Why not use the opportunity to suggest to them to look into appointing such people as Lawrence Lessig or Bruce Schneier to positions where they can do good? (And of course to give your ideas on all other subjects which you care about.)

Change Mister, can you spare some change? (1)

davidwr (791652) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677563)

Oh my gawd now I've become one of them [southparkstudios.com] .

dang (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25677569)

no ipv6 connection=bullshit

Embracing Technology (0, Offtopic)

Ninj4Bytes (757322) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677583)

I'm just happy that this administration appears to be continuing to embrace technology. It would be nice if they continued make use of the iPhone as well.

Excellent... (3, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677585)

...now we'll see if we can get him to change his policy on Nuclear Power (a necessity for cleaner power), pay more attention to what the AMA has to say on insurance [voicefortheuninsured.org] , convince him not to raise taxes in the middle of an economic crisis*, and plead with him to leave Griffin as head of NASA and keep him properly funded. Anything I'm missing?

While I'm being a little bit snarky, I think it's great that Obama has this outlet to let our voices be heard. I look forward to seeing if he listens. :-)

* The $250,000 bit doesn't matter. What's more concerning is when Bush's existing tax breaks expire. When Hoover raised taxes in 1932, it caused a complete economic collapse of an already precarious situation.

Re:Excellent... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25677661)

Except you are wrong with you attempted links, pretty much all wrong. Why don't you try really looking at history for history not for a little while, it makes a lot more sense than when you try to make everything into talking points.

As to the tax, you also need to think about what the real impact is. The whole 4% on profit over 250K does not translate into anywhere near to 4% increase in total tax.

We'll build more nuclear power plants (3, Insightful)

coryking (104614) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677851)

Unlike claims by McCain, I've never heard Obama say he was against nuclear power. At some point, he might have said he was against some specific form of power plant design or something, but never against the concept. McCain must have lept on that statement and blew it up to make it sound like Obama was against all forms of nuclear power.

In fact, I think the "no more nukes" people have become such a small base that it would be politically safe to revisit nuclear power. Do you know anybody who is really against it? Most people I know are really concerned more about how to dispose of the waste, not really concerned about the power plant itself.

But that all said, if you could develop power sources that are cheaper per megawatt then nuclear power, why bother? From what I understand, wind power is going down in price per megawatt that it is almost competitive with coal!

Re:Excellent... (5, Informative)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677937)

The Obama tax plan reaffirms the Bush tax cuts on all but the highest brackets past 2010; the salient change is that the $250k bracket simply returns to where it was when Bush took office: see here [barackobama.com] . In the end, the total tax rate of the country is still below where it was during the Reagan administration. It's astonishing to think we went through the first decade of expansion this century without collecting any money to pay down our debt; through the 50s, the highest brakcet had a marginal tax rate of over 90% [truthandpolitics.org] , in order to pay down our war debt, and that was a tax code submitted by a Republican congress and signed by Eisenhower. At the time thus amounted to a huge wealth redistribution since the paper on the war debt was in war bonds, which were universally subscribed, not to mention the costs of the GI Bill and Marshall plan, which educated millions and could also be considered a form of debt repayment or infrastructure invetment.

When Hoover raised taxes in 1932, it caused a complete economic collapse of an already precarious situation.

It didn't help that he wasn't spending much; if we trim up taxation while spending gobs on infrastructure like in 1933. Of course back then, they didn't have $10 trillion in debt.

Why only one "blog"? (4, Interesting)

composer777 (175489) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677601)

Shouldn't there be blogs and forums so users can actually communicate with each other and make their opinions known to each other? That would be a powerful force, as they could band together to keep Obama in line if he strays too far from his promises. The way it is set up currently, it simply is a bullhorn for Obama, while his users can "share their vision" with a recycle bin. I don't see much (yet) to get excited about. It reminds me of CNN's "talkback", which is heavily censored and filtered.

Re:Why only one "blog"? (3, Insightful)

Fastolfe (1470) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677783)

I've been a proponent for blogs for our elected offices for a while now. I don't think forums would work this term, though. Given how racist and irrational a large percentage of our population is, it will take about 2 seconds for such a forum for Obama to devolve into uselessness, even with heavy moderation. (And then, once you throw moderation into things, you have to deal with charges that you're biasing the comments.)

Re:Why only one "blog"? (1)

composer777 (175489) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677901)

Yes, there would be trolling, but it would also be a way for people to form connections and organize. My guess is that he doesn't want his supporters talking amongst themselves.

wtf .gov domain? (1, Informative)

i.r.id10t (595143) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677605)

Why is it that Obama's charity can get a .gov domain, but the annualcreditreport.com isn't given creditreport.ftc.gov? I wonder how many folks have been bilked by going to a non-official credit report website due to naming and search engines?

Re:wtf .gov domain? (1)

TheSpoom (715771) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677739)

The problem is that even the credit unions themselves downplay the availability of the free reports, since they too have programs to sell you one more conveniently than the free program allows.

Re:wtf .gov domain? (1)

BunnyClaws (753889) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677849)

In Soviet Amerika the .Gov owns you.

Sick of "change" (-1, Redundant)

davie (191) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677629)

Double-digit inflation would qualify as "change," as would Global Thermonuclear War. Change is the one thing we can count on, and promising it is like promising tomorrow's sunrise. Try promising improvement and you'll get my attention.

Progaganda (0, Flamebait)

KalvinB (205500) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677633)

There is no "Office of the President Elect"

This information is already available at the Barack Obama campaign web-site and this updated version should just go there.

Having a .gov domain means it's a tax payer funded government web-site.

Apparently Obama's first order of business, before even being president, is changing the definition of the .gov tld, creating fake government offices and giving himself another venue to spew propaganda.

Re:Progaganda (1)

eln (21727) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677775)

The President of the United States has whitehouse.gov, where he can spew propaganda all day long if he so chooses. This guy is a sitting Senator, and the President-elect. I don't think it's a big deal that he gets his own .gov website to spew his own propaganda...after the inauguration, it will just end up at whitehouse.gov.

And in the technology section (1)

Theoboley (1226542) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677635)

Click the technology agenda and you get

"No suitable nodes are available to serve your request."

Nothing

No NASA (1)

Nathanbp (599369) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677673)

Even more interesting than what is there is what is not. For example, no mention of NASA [google.com] (and yes, the site is indexed on Google already).

Whoa (1, Flamebait)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677687)

Yikes -- That's a lot of spending on that site. He claims he's going to pay for everything with corresponding cuts and revenue increases (i.e., taxes), but I'd sure like to see as much detail put into where money was going to be saved as there is how money is going to be spent.

In other news... (5, Interesting)

sesshomaru (173381) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677749)

Joe the Plumber has launched:

http://www.secureourdream.com/ [secureourdream.com]

Yes, sadly now that his dreams of owning a plumbing business have crashed to the ground, he decided to become a political watchdog and "take it to the streets."

Who knows what we'll be saying about him 4 years from now? A 1 year "Freedom membership" costs a mear $14.95 .

Freedom, who among us is against that?

Anyone checked the .gov requirements? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25677769)

Quoting http://www.dotgov.gov/help_qualify.aspx

Registrations that qualify for a .gov domain

        * U.S. Governmental departments, programs, and agencies on the federal level
        * Federally recognized Indian Tribes (-NSN.gov domain)
        * State governmental entities/programs
        * Cities and townships represented by an elected body of officials
        * Counties and parishes represented by an elected body of officials
        * U.S. territories

Noteably not present:

* Incumbent presidents
* Chapter 501 C organizations (as is referenced in the copyright)

From an Obama supporter (5, Insightful)

psychicninja (1150351) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677795)

I already liked the guy, but I'm honestly impressed by this. Any information from the government can be suspected as 'propaganda'. At least this site puts forth their agenda in an easy to navigate, plain English fashion.

As for the 'submit your own idea' functionality, I think it's a great move. Even if they ignore most/all of the suggestions, isn't that the same results as not asking for them in the first place? At worst this is a waste of time and at best it's a huge step forward in citizen understanding of and participation in government.

here comes the partisan hacks (5, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677801)

story summary: obama and team put up website communicating their efforts

take home message, pro obama: all the good i feel about an obama administration is taking effect

take home message, anti obama: all the bad i feel about an obama administration is taking effect

its just a communication tool folks. last i checked, communicating what you actually intend to do is never a bad thing

for those of you who don't like obama, think of it as your enemy telegraphing his punches, allowing you to prepare your rebutal, or providing a convenient record for you to accuse him of not doing what he promised to do. see? its good all around

.gov? (1, Flamebait)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677803)

How did the Obama transition team get a .gov domain name? I never heard before of a transition team having any government status. Of course they're free to meet, discuss and plan agendas, strategies and appointments, but I don't see how they have any power or official government standing until January 20, 2009 (in the afternoon).

Even the traditional briefings of the president-elect, the White House tours of the "First Lady -elect", and other inclusions in the outgoing government's operations are, AFAIK, courtesies extended by the current government to the incoming government. Extended in the interest of continuity of government, the national interest, and avoiding being thought a first-class "jerk" for dissing the incoming people. But I don't see Bush/Cheney extending that courtesy to allowing someone without government standing to register a .gov domain under the US Federal government.

But maybe that's what happened. If so, maybe getting back on track and solving our problems will be a lot faster and smoother than we expect. I hope so.

On the other hand, there does seem to be some legislation creating a "Presidential Transition Team [presidenti...sition.gov] office with official standing. But the statute cited doesn't seem to create this change.gov site, or standing to get one. Government is complicated.

Try www.change.com first (1)

meburke (736645) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677827)

The www.change.com is much more interesting than Obama's site.

Nightwatch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25677855)

So when is the Ministry of Peace going to start-up the Nightwatch, ummmm, I mean Civilian Security Corps? I sure could use an extra fifty credits a month.

Dear President Elect Obama (5, Funny)

internerdj (1319281) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677857)

I know you are new to politics so I thought I would let you know. Now that you have won, you can stop campaigning for about 3 years.

Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25677899)

Obama's future cabinets members found in DNS(?) and other Change.gov oddities:

http://www.binrev.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=39495

Site is STILL running! (1)

UncleMantis (933076) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677905)

Come on guys! Slashdot that f**ker!

Irony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25677915)

I can only remember a few days ago when most people, even at slashdot, were excited to get a new government. Now people are beginning to complain about him already. YAY for government propaganda! It's such a shame that pravda is out of print.

"Who can say that I've been changed for the better"
-Wicked (Broadway play - the song For Good)

Change alone is not necessarily a good thing; it must be for the better.

South park (5, Funny)

operagost (62405) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677919)

WHOO HOO! Change! We got change! Yes we can! F___ you, boss!

Windfall profits (1)

homer_s (799572) | more than 5 years ago | (#25677923)

Enact a Windfall Profits Tax to Provide a $1,000 Emergency Energy Rebate to American Families:Barack Obama and Joe Biden will enact a windfall profits tax on excessive oil company profits to give American families an immediate $1,000 emergency energy rebate to help families pay rising bills.

In other words, to tackle a situation where production is low and consumption is high*, you tax the producers and increase consumption? Brilliant!


* - this was true 6 months ago; with the current gas prices, I'm not sure if politicians still want to rail against greedy oil companies.
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