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Microsoft Working On Its Own App Store

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the goes-around-comes-around dept.

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CWmike writes "Microsoft is working on a software distribution scheme along the lines of Apple's iPhone App Store, CEO Steve Ballmer said yesterday at a developer's conference in Sydney, Australia. 'There's not much money being made, but the general concept of giving developers a way not only to get their code distributed, but to really get visibility for the code, is a good idea,' Ballmer said. Ballmer hinted that something similar would be coming soon from Microsoft. While he said Micrsoft was not ready to detail the works in progress, he said '... fear not, we're hard at work, and you'll see some of the benefits [of that] with some of the concepts, particularly Facebook's.'"

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195 comments

monkey see monkey do (1, Insightful)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690331)

yo ballmer, maybe you should shut the company down and return the money to your investors.

Re:monkey see monkey do (2, Insightful)

jcr (53032) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690547)

I wouldn't go quite that far, but he should shut down his unprofitable ego-trip ventures like the Zune and the Xbox.

MS's problem is that they're fixated on competition, not customers. They got into search because they thought they had to compete with Google. They got into online services in the first place because they thought they had to compete with AOL. Same with Zune and Apple.

-jcr

Re:monkey see monkey do (3, Insightful)

cgenman (325138) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690681)

Actually, that division is currently making money [joystiq.com] .

As a game developer, I'd hate to see MS shut down their Xbox division. They basically took some great developers, gave them a real budget, and said "do what you want." So far MS corporate has avoided messing with the console games division, keeping them from becoming another MS Bob.

On consoles, Microsoft is basically responsible for: Digital game sales, digital movie rentals, add-on downloads, HDD's on consoles, cross-title friends lists, and the general concept of a cross-title global experience. While they're also responsible for the most godawfully painful log-in/log-out scenarios of any console manufacturer, they did a lot of things right and really pushed Sony and Nintendo kicking and screaming into an online world.

Re:monkey see monkey do (3, Insightful)

jcr (53032) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690879)

Actually, that division is currently making money.

Only if you don't count the billions already pissed away. Xbox needs about twenty more HALO-scale hits before it breaks even.

-jcr

Re:monkey see monkey do (2, Informative)

Kentaree (1078787) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690921)

Same can be said for nearly every console ever apart from the Wii. The PS3 is still selling at a loss a few years on, and in a recent interview I think it was Kaz Hirai (probably wrong) that said they wouldn't recoup the losses made from the PS3 "in his lifetime"

Re:monkey see monkey do (2, Insightful)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691373)

Right, but those billions have already been pissed away. Shutting down what is now a profitable division because in the past it lost money is silly.

Re:monkey see monkey do (2, Insightful)

jcr (53032) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691579)

Shutting down what is now a profitable division because in the past it lost money is silly.

Only if it's more profitable than other things MS could be doing with the capital they have tied up in it.

-jcr

Re:monkey see monkey do (1)

duguk (589689) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691087)

I'd hate to see MS shut down their Xbox division. They basically took some great developers, gave them a real budget, and said "do what you want."

That explains a lot. Aside from the hardware problems, the XBox is one of the less flawed consoles. Now if only there'd put this much effort into all the other stuff they do...

Re:monkey see monkey do (1, Troll)

cheater512 (783349) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691287)

Yes if you ignore the multibillion dollar cost of the actual console which has extremely high failure rates.

Thats quite a big thing to ignore you know. :P

Re:monkey see monkey do (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25691311)

I did say 'aside from the hardware problems'! Compared to their operating systems, its bloody good.

Re:monkey see monkey do (1)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691381)

The new 360s have much lower failure rates. They fixed what was causing the RROD and I believe it's down from a 30% rate of failure to something along the lines of 6%.

Re:monkey see monkey do (1)

spydabyte (1032538) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690773)

I'm pretty sure the xbox is Microsoft's flagship, after windows and office. Anybody got statistics to back this up? Made up ones would be fine...

Re:monkey see monkey do (1)

Divebus (860563) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690847)

MS's problem is that they're fixated on competition, not customers.

Boy, you said it, Chewie. Microsoft just wants to sell you the sizzle off the steak.

Re:monkey see monkey do (3, Insightful)

lysergic.acid (845423) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691041)

i actually think some of the Zune's WiFi features are pretty innovative. being able to share music/photos/images directly with other wireless devices is definitely a neat feature (though it'd be neater if more devices supported it). likewise with by able to broadcast a wireless profile to indicate what you're listening to.

frankly, i think the major PMP manufacturers should get together and create a standardized protocol for sharing files across portable media players. Microsoft kinda ruined a great concept by crippling it with DRM. they also missed a great opportunity by not publishing their protocol as an open standard. with the iPod still lacking WiFi capabilities, if Microsoft had made wireless file sharing a popular open standard by working with companies like Sony, Creative, Archos and even SmartPhone manufacturers, they could have made it a huge selling point over the iPod. but the Zune by itself isn't popular enough to make their file sharing feature anything more than a passing novelty. the whole "welcome to the social" campaign is kinda silly when you're the only one in the social.

however, i still look forward to the day when these features become standard on all portable media devices. it'd be cool to sit down on a train and see that there's a person across the room that likes the same music/movies/tv shows/games as you do and be able to swap music/videos/frags/etc. with them.

Re:monkey see monkey do (1)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691393)

The problem with all the social features of the Zune is that you're never going to find someone else who has one. Of all the people I know with MP3 players, only one of those is a Zune. The rest are iPods (most are actually iPhones).

I'll admit that the Zune has some pretty nice features that I wish I had in my iPhone, but I'm not willing to give up what I have in my iPhone for some cool features I'll probably never use.

Re:monkey see monkey do (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25691509)

I heard that they are partnering with Samuel Beckett and Reginald Perrin, and are going to call it the Krapp Store, where only grot will be sold.

Re:monkey see monkey do (1)

A12m0v (1315511) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691567)

Maybe the Zune, but definitely not the XBox. When it comes to names both are horrible, but at least the XBox delivers plenty of fun games at a low price and a very good online experience, what does the Zune deliver that is better or different than the competition? I do agree with you on the fact the Microsoft is competition-driven, they rarely create new paradigms or market segments.

Re:monkey see monkey do (-1, Troll)

TheNetAvenger (624455) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690587)

Are you referring to the Microsoft Software and Music stores that were online before iTunes and the iPhone store?

Wait, that makes Apple the monkey... Right?

Microsoft is talking about expanding their online sofware distribution to portable devices like the Zune and Windows Mobile. This is more of a revamp focusing on specific software for specific devices from the online store.

You do realize people have been buying music and software from Microsoft Online services for over 7 years right? You also realize people have been renting movies online via Windows Media Center and now the XBox 360 since 2003? Or does the Apple distortion field make everyone not notice what 'other' people are doing if Apple didn't make it?

Now do you feel stupid or just really stupid?

Re:monkey see monkey do (4, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690653)

You do realize people have been buying music and software from Microsoft Online services for over 7 years right?

Really? MSN Music launched in 2004, a year after the iTunes Music Store (2003), and it is the first online music store from Microsoft that I can find any references to. I'm aware that Microsoft has had an online software store for a few years, although I've yet to encounter anyone who's bought anything from it (and any non-geeks who are even aware of its existence).

Re:monkey see monkey do (1)

yyttrrre (741310) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691383)

Oddly enough they do have an online store. It took me a little googling to actually find it. I'm just surprised I never heard of it before.

http://www.microsoft.com/products/ [microsoft.com]

Re:monkey see monkey do (3, Interesting)

mabhatter654 (561290) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691485)

your point would be...

Originally Microsoft started out selling music store servers and DRM to Walmart, Yahoo, etc. rather than sell music themselves. Then they went thru a few changes in DRM schemes selling multiple types to multiple people. Then Plays for (not) Sure, then because they promised not to compete in the "one music file" market they created a new type ZUNE that works on Live. Only in the last iteration have they actually mattered compared to Apple. Ironically Live ties music to Zune and Xbox 360 even tighter than Apple ties to iPod and Apple TV.

They have had a "product store" tied to windows since at least ME.. and it was a pale attempt to sell you regular software stuff in a retail box and mail it, a few things might be downloadable now. All I remember is that it never had anything interesting and never updated... ever. Microsoft would have made a killing with online buying of small apps integrated into their website that automatically installed into windows in the "preferred" method, but they constantly try to hijack ISV sales so nobody would touch such a store for Windows because they'd block you out.. a la Defender, ForeFront..etc. A store might work for CE devices, but those are so varied and Microsoft allows carriers to lock out various features so the apps wouldn't be "WinMo" apps they'd have to be "AT&T WinMo" and "Verison WinMo" and "TMobile..." Apple's 5 year deal bought them the kind of control over their devices to make the system really shine. Microsoft would be violating anti-trust to even ask for such a thing.

Re:monkey see monkey do (0)

ScaredOfTheMan (1063788) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690667)

Bro you are getting MS and Dell Mixed up.

That was Michael Dell who said this about Apple in 1997

What would I do? I'd shut it down and give the money back to the shareholders.

Re:monkey see monkey do (1)

jav1231 (539129) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690731)

Or stick to things they're actually good at. This whole chasing every thing that comes down the pipe is abject stupidity. It has nothing to do with good business and everything to do with corporate ego.

hi nigs (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25690337)

what's going on today?

Re:hi nigs (-1, Offtopic)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690743)

what's going on today?

smoking crack and barebacking white girls!

Break out the copy machines... (2, Insightful)

Rainbird98 (186939) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690347)

This company is pathetic. Don't they every ever come up with an original idea?

Re:Break out the copy machines... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25690365)

you mean like ripping off unix? what a clever idea that one was.

Re:Break out the copy machines... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25690397)

This company is pathetic. Don't they every ever come up with an original idea?

Just like F/OSS.

Re:Break out the copy machines... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25690439)

Or Linux.

Re:Break out the copy machines... (1)

emailandthings (844006) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690467)

Not necessarily, there is new stuff coming up from M$... - Rumor has it Outlook will have a heavy makeover. More social plugins and what not so that you stop going to social sites and stick to Outlook. :) - SharePoint + Silverlight... Web 2.0 ala Microsoft. :> But yeah nothing original..

Re:Break out the copy machines... (1)

retech (1228598) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690495)

I should switch back from FF. Oh wait, it already does all this and so much more.

Re:Break out the copy machines... (1)

thetartanavenger (1052920) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690577)

What makes them pathetic isn't that they don't come up with an original idea, that's how progress is made. It's the fact that often they don't improve on the original idea, or somehow implement it worse. Not always, just often.....

Live Maps? (3, Interesting)

Christophotron (812632) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690687)

I think that's an example of something they did better.. They ripped Google off and put better, more detailed satellite photos in the "birds-eye view" on their mapping site. It's a little chunky to use but the photos are amazing. Now when I shop for a house I go to live maps and instantly get a view of it from all sides from about ~50ft away. It puts Google Earth to shame, and although street view is even closer and more detailed, it covers a lot more area than street view.

Sure, MS copies ideas, but it only really HELPS the consumer in the long run. Even if it's not always "better" than the competition, it gives us more choices. I, for one, am looking forward to the new app store on my HTC Kaiser.

Re:Live Maps? (1)

thetartanavenger (1052920) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690747)

I agree to an extent. The speed of live maps annoys me (certainly when I first used it, it has been a while) but their birds eye view feature is a nice one. More competition and another companies attempt at the same idea is always a good thing in the long run, however it has been my experience that some are certainly better than others at bringing new life to the same problem.

Re:Break out the copy machines... (1)

zuperduperman (1206922) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690861)

Oh, come on, don't you think MS would have killed to have a monopolistic app store for their platforms at any time in the last 20 years? Of course they would have.

The only reason they *can* do it now is because first Apple and then Google have paved the way and ensured they won't get shot down on competition grounds. So welcome to the new era where the one thing that Windows really had going for it - a truly open platform where anybody could write and deploy an app without fear or favor - is going to get slowly eaten away. An you can thank Steve Jobs for it.

Troll post rating (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25691329)

Masterfully executed, particularly the brilliant redirection and liberal application of FUD, all done with a shit-eating grin. 9/10.

No supprise here (1, Insightful)

bobwrit (1232148) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690357)

Microsoft has copied Apple's ideas ever sence the apple II in 1978. Or GUI's. Or the mouse. Or the Ipod.... Not news, just move along people.

Re:No supprise here (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25690387)

Considering that Apple didn't invent any of the things you listed either, I don't see what your point is.

Re:No supprise here (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690413)

I'm pretty sure Apple invented the iPod.

Re:No supprise here (1)

Gonoff (88518) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690419)

I am pretty sure that neither of them invented the mouse or the GUI.

Re:No supprise here (5, Insightful)

Concerned Onlooker (473481) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690471)

No, but Apple legally licensed/bought the tech from PARC. Microsoft simply copied them after they saw how successful it was.

Whether or not Apple did invent these things it has been a fairly consistent paradigm that Apple (or Google, or whoever) comes up with something and makes it successful and then Microsoft tries to get in on the action. I'm sure their app store will do fine. At least as fine as the Zune....

Re:No supprise here (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25690493)

Whether or not Apple did invent these things it has been a fairly consistent paradigm that Apple (or Google, or whoever) comes up with something and makes it successful and then Microsoft tries to get in on the action.

I hope Apple or Google successfully goes bankrupt then MS copies them.

Re:No supprise here (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25690659)

No, but Apple legally licensed/bought the tech from PARC. Microsoft simply copied them after they saw how successful it was.

Whether or not Apple did invent these things it has been a fairly consistent paradigm that Apple (or Google, or whoever) comes up with something and makes it successful and then Microsoft tries to get in on the action.

On the other hand it took Apple few decades to put second button and wheel (ok.. "orb") on their mouse and they managed to get it wrong still.

Re:No supprise here (2, Interesting)

Gonoff (88518) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691037)

The way I see it is that someone somewhere innovates. PARC, Linus or whoever, it doesn't matter. It seems to be less and less likely with any big company.

Apple gets hold of the idea and makes something very neat and appealing with it. The only problem I ever have is that it is too expensive. I own an iPod but have never felt able to justify the cost of a 'Mac.

Microsoft takes the idea and makes something much cheaper. It looks cheap as well. It runs on my PC but is no more open than the Apple stuff.

Re:No supprise here (1)

Branka96 (628759) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691243)

No. Microsoft licensed it from Apple Apple vs Microsoft [wikipedia.org] .

Well now... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25691267)

Everyone likes to bash Apple for having a desktop GUI and at the same time claim that Windows is merely a copy, but, a more careful reading has to give Microsoft a few firsts.

Microsoft had a component object model first in OLE/COM. Active X controls are an extension to this for sure, and COM doesn't look as good when your PC is always on a LAN...but that nifty little trick of having an Excel document embedded inside of a word document required a fairly divergent set of technologies that Apple and IBM worked on but never really got together and Microsoft simply did. OLE structured storage comes to mind. Come to think of it, both GNOME and KDE have rich object models on the desktop largely inspired by the COMish nature of Windows shell, but, you don't see pervasive Shell Extensions on Linux in the way you do with Windows partially because there are, well both KDE and Gnome.

Microsoft was the first to have a pre-emptive GUI. OS/2 was mired in SIQ even through Warp and Mac could lock up for any reason, but Windows NT Daytona was rock solid, and, in historic perspectives, was the most logical OS Microsoft would ever release.

Microsoft's START bar got it right. Apple finder and the desktop thing was ok for its time, but really, Microsoft's START bar is actually the thing that we find ourselves using. My Gnome start bar is essentially the MS START bar with some doodads, as is the Mac OS/X bar.

First fully programmable DOM in a browser. Oh, now that's a biggy.. it was this feature of IE 4.0 that killed Netscape more so than anything else.

And, as of right now, no one has code completion and refactoring as well as is done inside of Visual Studio for C#. To this date, no one has made a desktop database that put together reporting, forms and database the way MS Access has.

Re:Well now... (1)

ion.simon.c (1183967) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691505)

How are you defining "Desktop Database"? This feels squicky to me. Your answer should be enlightening.

I'll get to the rest of your message later, after I've done some research.

Re:Well now... (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691631)

uhhh, you apparently have never used Eclipse with Java.

It puts Visual Studio to shame. In fact, a lot of the new stuff Visual Studio has, was implemented as a direct result of Eclipse. :)

Re:No supprise here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25690677)

They invented the name and gave it a nice interface. Nothing else.

Re:No supprise here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25691419)

Actually they only invented the name. Apple stole the iPod UI from Creative and got sued for it.

Re:No supprise here (1)

PenisLands (930247) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690685)

The ipod is not an original invention. It's a fashionable implementation of an appliance which has been common since at least the 1970s - the personal stereo.

Re:No supprise here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25690911)

The original poster was obviously talking about MP3 players in general because I'm pretty sure that there is no such thing as a Microsoft iPod.

Re:No supprise here (1)

supernova_hq (1014429) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691083)

Apple invented the iPod as much as Microsoft invented the Zune. However, NEITHER of them invented the mp3 player, portable media player, etc. Even the mp3 player with a touchscreen was nothing new when Apple announced the "innovation"!

If you don't believe me check out Archos. They had touch screens + WIFI WAY before apple did.

Re:No supprise here (1)

teknopurge (199509) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690465)

I'm pretty sure the mouse came from Xerox PARC.

Re:No supprise here (4, Informative)

jcr (53032) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690519)

I'm pretty sure the mouse came from Xerox PARC.

No, Doug Englebart invented it at SRI.

-jcr

Re:No supprise here (4, Interesting)

Facegarden (967477) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690985)

I'm pretty sure the mouse came from Xerox PARC.

No, Doug Englebart invented it at SRI.

-jcr

I met him once a couple years ago. Really old (he's passed now) but he had a pretty interesting story. The part that really gets me is he never made a penny from inventing the mouse, aside from his salary at the company. He should have been made rich though!
-Taylor

Re:No supprise here (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25691551)

He's dead? According to Wikipedia he's still alive.

Re:No supprise here (2, Funny)

AttillaTheNun (618721) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690537)

Aha, but that's not where the story begins...

What few realize is that is that the mouse was preceded by the development of cheese as a user input device. If I recall correctly, this was an Al Gore invention which, unfortunately for him, didn't succeed to the same level as his better known invention - the internet.

Sadly, Al could not figure out an appropriate application of a block of cheese to a User Interface. Xerox PARC quickly picked up the ball and drew the obvious conclusion.

Goatse (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25690385)

Goat see, goat do. [twofo.co.uk]

Little understanding of a new model (3, Interesting)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690457)

There's not much money being made, but the general concept of giving developers a way not only to get their code distributed, but to really get visibility for the code, is a good idea

The money being made is in smaller chunks but the volume could be quite high. This combined could quite profitable for small, independent developers. Also from Apple's standpoint they are not in it to make large amounts of profit for themselves from the app store. Like the music and video divisions, it will probably generate a small profit. The app store is a tool to sell more devices. MS unfortunately only sees that they can't make much money off it because their model relies on OEMs buying their OS software and their mobile software which means they will have to compete in some cases with 3rd party developers.

Re:Little understanding of a new model (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691165)

The apple App store model has huge problems (aka. you cannot run app X because we don't want you too) I don't think customers really want a repeat of that. iPhone and iPod users use it because they don't have an option. However once a way that allows them to run apps outside of the app store that will not cause the iPhone to brick on the next update then the new method will probably get far more popular. As you can get apps that really make the iPhone useful. Flash, Java, ways to share network connections...

Re:Little understanding of a new model (2, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691289)

The apple App store model has huge problems (aka. you cannot run app X because we don't want you too) I don't think customers really want a repeat of that

I suspect you're wrong. Users want somewhere safe where they can get apps that do what they want and know that they won't get some malware. If that means that they may miss out on a few apps that Apple doesn't like then a lot of people will be willing to accept that.

Something like... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25690459)

XBLA?

linux package management (3, Interesting)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690745)

Probably something like Linux package managers, only you have to pay for the privilege of a less functional version.

Re:linux package management (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25691125)

And, on Windows it will probably actually WORK. When you go to your library or whatever they call it and you want the LATEST VERSION of an app, it will probably actually BE THERE and run. You won't have to go to a 'backports' repository, or turn on 'unstable someshit' or go and unzip a rar of a deb and the run 15 command line package installs in order to get the latest version. You'll click - and it will install. Imagine that!

Cue the 'that was easy' button.

Get current (2, Interesting)

symbolset (646467) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691405)

And, on Windows it will probably actually WORK.

I know you're a whiny astroturfing AC troll, but I can't let this pass.

If Microsoft OS software had a feature that worked like GNU/linux's software repositories, that would be a huge benefit for the end user and a major selling point. Install any of many thousands of apps in every category for free just by clicking on it? Free apps so plentiful they require their own search engine? Automatic dependency resolution? Integrated updates for all apps in one system? Slam dunk. There's even a spot for it in their control panel: the forgotten "add programs" part of add/remove programs.

But they won't because they can't. Every commercial software vendor would port to GNU/Linux the very next week, and the game would be over for them before the Justice department even launched the antitrust investigation.

So sad for MS. So good for everybody else. That is the "that was easy" button.

Viruses available for your mobile devices. (0, Troll)

KozmoKramer (1117173) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690481)

Viruses available for your mobile devices upon request.

Correction (2, Funny)

TheUni (1007895) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690485)

'There's not much money being made, but the general concept of giving developers a way not only to get their binaries distributed, but to really get visibility for the binaries, is a good idea'

Re:Correction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25690533)

google for define:code

Re:Correction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25690739)

Microsoft is doing its bit to help developers, developers, developers!

Really? (5, Funny)

NuclearError (1256172) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690523)

... fear not, we're hard at work...

Start fearing.

Who wants to bet... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25690605)

the requirements to view that site are going to be:
at least windows vista, internet explorer and genuine validation? If you don't meet any of those needs, it will not show any of the website but instead give you a list of the requirements :P

Let me guess... (2, Funny)

Red Samurai (893134) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690615)

With blackjack? And hookers? Ah screw it, forget the blackjack... And the app store.

Hehe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25690665)

"to really get visibility for the code, is a good idea"

Funny, coming from a man whose mission is to keep it hidden.

If this works, (2, Interesting)

meatmanek (1062562) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690715)

It could end up being like a package manager. If you could get all or most of your software through the software store, it could handle updates and dependencies. It might even make re-installing Windows easier. Just save the list of installed programs, wipe and install, then use some scripting magic to re-install all of your programs. That is, if it's not crippled by DRM.

Re:If this works, (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690761)

The problem is, this is MS. Most software installed is not MS software, unlike OS X where just about every app is made by Apple or Adobe. Just look at the disaster Windows update is, think about what they would do with this. Not to mention that this will attract about 3 other developers other than MS, and no doubt MS would charge to be part of this "elite network" which throws out any OSS project. Its a good idea, but the thing about Ballmer's MS is, they have some corporate crap stopping them from executing the good idea.

Thats not the problem. Its the benefit (2, Interesting)

CdBee (742846) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690901)

this could render horrible, spyware-laden free app download sites like the current ones a thing of the past. if Microsoft hosts and vets downloads, it means higher quality apps for users, as well as an extra distribution channel for vendors

Re:If this works, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25690939)

[...] unlike OS X where just about every app is made by Apple or Adobe.

This is so ridiculous it made me chuckle. Someone better tell MacUpdate [macupdate.com] about this fact.

Re:If this works, (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691129)

Well, on just about every Mac I've seen, from corporate computers, to those of artists to those used at home, just about all the used software is from Apple or Adobe, with the exception of Office.

iTunes is overwhelmingly the most used media player, Safari for browsing, Photoshop for editing, etc. On the other hand on Windows computers, VLC or iTunes are the most popular media players, Firefox the browser (for anyone who knows much about computers), Photoshop or The GIMP for editing, etc.

Re:If this works, (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691341)

Looking down my dock, I have 11 Apple apps running and no Adobe ones. I have five others, three open source and two from Omni Group (you'll find those on a lot of Macs, since they were bundled by Apple for a long while). Two of the Apple apps are X11 and the terminal, and both of those are running non-Apple software, but probably not the kind that the average user would run. If you discount developer tools and X11/Terminal, I am only running seven Apple apps - only two more Apple apps than non-Apple apps. One of those is Activity Monitor (basically a GUI version of top).

Oh, and I very rarely see a Mac without VLC installed. iTunes is a nice music jukebox, but it fulfils a very different role to VLC.

Re:If this works, (1)

EvilIdler (21087) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691513)

Perian, Growl, Skype, Smultron, Scrivener, Firefox, Opera, Thunderbird, Cyberduck, Flip4Mac, GimmeSomeTune, Coda, FreeDMG, Himmelbar and PixelMator are all vital tools and plugins on my systems. The first six of those are on a lot of Macs used by people I know.

Then there are the little neat ones I use occasionally, but they're still not made by Apple. I use XCode (with most of its extra programs), Terminal, the address book and Safari most of Apple's own software. I also use a ton of widgets, some of them made for personal use, some from the net. Just the iCal and Calculator widgets remain from the original collection.

about the name (1)

syngularyx (1070768) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690723)

TheÃy will call it ... App Store Live?

More better!!! (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691417)

I prefer "Runs for sure!" It has that link to their DRM efforts that foretells the conclusion, without ruining the ending for the neophyte.

Re:More better!!! (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691449)

On second thought, maybe they should save the "Runs for sure!" meme for Windows 7.

App store not making money? pfft (5, Interesting)

santiagodraco (1254708) | more than 5 years ago | (#25690881)

They are making PLENTY of money off the app store, far more than they expected. Ballmer's comments about "there's not much money being made" is simply his way of discounting Apples success and predicting his own failure.

Re:App store not making money? pfft (3, Insightful)

neuromanc3r (1119631) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691605)

I like to bash MS/Ballmer as much as the next slashdotter, but I don't think that's true. He admits that it is a good idea. And his comments about "not much money being made" simply show the difference between his definition and your definition of "much money".

The return of the middlemen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25690899)

How come everybody thinks the music industry is on the way out, because, thanks to the internet, artists can now market their work without middlemen? The very same companies which keep promising us more freedom and more access are building the next toll booths. Want to sell iPhone software? Got to pay your dues to Apple. Want your Firefox extension to reach its audience? Submit to the rules of addons.mozilla.org. It's the music industry all over again. The rate at which people are giving in to this is depressing.

are MS Windows programs hard to find? (2, Insightful)

fermion (181285) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691003)

I am not sure what the motivation here. When I go to a store, I see MS Windows programs everywhere. When I go to sourceforge, I see plenty of free MS Windows programs. If people want to pay a small fee for a program, I see that too. I just paid a small free for an utility the other day. I do not see a dearth of opportunities to purchase a MS Windows program.

So what is the motivation here. Apple has it's store to control content. I don't think MS wants to do that. Google has it's store to insure that content is available, provide more pages to host ads, and eventually make a little money on the side, when they begin charging, something I thought they were already doing, but I forgot about their always freaky business model. MS business models are always very straight forward.

So as best I can figure this is a case where someone else it making a bit of money in the computer business, MS is not getting it's cut, which is driving MS crazy. So they open a store, even though they have no experience in it and will not pay anyone who has experience, and then use their partnership arrangements to make others use it, maybe even building it into the next version os IE. Probably have to have to have and MSN account to use it as well.

The primary motive: (1)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691245)

Don't look stupid at the next shareholders' meeting.
What have MS really got to show for the last two years or so? A string of failures: Zune, Vista, Yahoo...
MS need to show shareholders that they are still competing with the other players and are not just burning their cash. Apple and Google have app stores (running or in development). Therefore MS better have one too.

The MS Windows shareware model is a mess. (2, Insightful)

tjstork (137384) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691307)

There's nothing in Microsoft land that equates to what Apple has with its application store. Windows shareware developers have to do shareware, first of all, which is pretty bad. In the Apple store, Apple has it set up that consumers have to pay first and then get the application, and that Apple approves the products and lathers its brand on things makes it great. In Windows, you have 2000 web sites all cheesily affiliated with a handful of players, no consistent payment collection mechanism, loads of cracks everywhere, viruses and malware diluting the idea of downloading programs from the internet, all just conspiring to make developing for Windows a very difficult proposition. A Microsoft Store, not just some subcontracted junk from Digital River, but a Microsoft Store fully and genuinely bundled right into damn OS (and incidentally Vista is a step in the right direction), would be a godsend.

The MS hate on Slashdot is hilarious (3, Insightful)

Khuffie (818093) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691233)

Linux community: "Windows sucks. They don't even have a decent app repository. In Linux I can find any program from one place!" Microsoft: "We're building an App Store" Linux community: "Zoinks! Theives! Scoundrels! Copycats!" Since when is it wrong for a company to see something it's competitor has done successfully, that was beneficial for both customers and developers, and then decide to do so for their own customers and developers? Seriously, how is this a bad thing that they're doing it? They've even acknowledged that their competitors had a good idea and that they've taken the concept from them. Jeez.

Re:The MS hate on Slashdot is hilarious (2, Interesting)

Khuffie (818093) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691239)

Damnit, I really wish Slashdot's 'html formatted' posting method will put in the br tags automatically.

Re:The MS hate on Slashdot is hilarious (1)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691299)

Um... how is an app store the same thing as an app repository?? You are comparing apples to microwave ovens.

Re:The MS hate on Slashdot is hilarious (2, Informative)

Khuffie (818093) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691337)

An app store would theoretically allow free apps, as does the iPhone app store. How are they different?

Re:The MS hate on Slashdot is hilarious (1)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691399)

The poster compared it to apt-get. Apt get allows for updates and upgrading as well as checking for dependencies. I repeat... how is an app store like a repository???

Re:The MS hate on Slashdot is hilarious (2, Informative)

Khuffie (818093) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691437)

Ever used the iPhone app store? Which allows for updates as well? Also, Windows apps tend to not need dependencies installed.

Re:The MS hate on Slashdot is hilarious (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691483)

You've confused the iPhone App Store with Google's Android Market.

And some of us don't care if Microsoft ports the entire Gnome environment, complete with Gnome-yum [sourceforge.net] to MinWin and call it Windows 8, as long as they comply with the licenses and post the source.

Hey... that's actually not a bad idea. I won't buy it, but I'd definitely test the crud out of it.

Hey I get this in Linux already... (1)

Bytal (594494) | more than 5 years ago | (#25691517)

apt-cache search ________

apt-get install _________

That s simplifying it of course, but apt and it's relatives were always one of the majors reasons I loved Linux. Unlike windows, I didn't have to hunt apps down on shady sites, download random EXEs, etc. Everything is in one relatively simple to use place. Add some way to process payments and you have a ready made AppStore.
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