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StarOffice Dropped From Google Pack

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the stardom-is-temporary dept.

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Barence writes "Sun's StarOffice suite has been mysteriously dropped from the Google Pack of free software. The office suite has been axed without any warning or explanation on the Google site. Is Google trying to drive more people towards its own online suite of office applications? Or has it been stung into action by Steve Ballmer's recent comment that Microsoft Office faces stronger competition from StarOffice than it does Google Docs and Spreadsheet?"

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If there's one thing I wouldn't do... (5, Funny)

davidbrit2 (775091) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702033)

...It's use the frothing rants of Steve Ballmer as the basis of my business strategy.

Re:If there's one thing I wouldn't do... (5, Insightful)

rodrigoandrade (713371) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702063)

Unless your business strategy involves some future negotiations with Microsoft.

Re:If there's one thing I wouldn't do... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25702101)

So google is dropping Star Office? That reminds me of something else being dropped. A couple weeks ago, while browsing around the library downtown, I had to take a piss. As I entered the john, Barack Obama -- the messiah himself -- came out of one of the booths. I stood at the urinal looking at him out of the corner of my eye as he washed his hands. He didn't once look at me. He was busy and in any case I was sure the secret service wouldn't even let me shake his hand.

As soon as he left I darted into the booth he'd vacated, hoping there might be a lingering smell of shit and even a seat still warm from his sturdy ass. I found not only the smell but the shit itself. He'd forgotten to flush. And what a treasure he had left behind. Three or four beautiful specimens floated in the bowl. It apparently had been a fairly dry, constipated shit, for all were fat, stiff, and ruggedly textured. The real prize was a great feast of turd -- a nine inch gastrointestinal triumph as thick as his cock -- or at least as I imagined it!

I knelt before the bowl, inhaling the rich brown fragrance and wondered if I should obey the impulse building up inside me. I'd always been a liberal democrat and had been on the Obama train since last year. Of course I'd had fantasies of meeting him, sucking his cock and balls, not to mention sucking his asshole clean, but I never imagined I would have the chance. Now, here I was, confronted with the most beautiful five-pound turd I'd ever feasted my eyes on, a sausage fit to star in any fantasy and one I knew to have been hatched from the asshole of Barack Obama, the chosen one.

Why not? I plucked it from the bowl, holding it with both hands to keep it from breaking. I lifted it to my nose. It smelled like rich, ripe limburger (horrid, but thrilling), yet had the consistency of cheddar. What is cheese anyway but milk turning to shit without the benefit of a digestive tract?

I gave it a lick and found that it tasted better then it smelled.

I hesitated no longer. I shoved the fucking thing as far into my mouth as I could get it and sucked on it like a big half nigger cock, beating my meat like a madman. I wanted to completely engulf it and bit off a large chunk, flooding my mouth with the intense, bittersweet flavor. To my delight I found that while the water in the bowl had chilled the outside of the turd, it was still warm inside. As I chewed I discovered that it was filled with hard little bits of something I soon identified as peanuts. He hadn't chewed them carefully and they'd passed through his body virtually unchanged. I ate it greedily, sending lump after peanutty lump sliding scratchily down my throat. My only regret was that Barack Obama wasn't there to see my loyalty and wash it down with his piss.

I soon reached a terrific climax. I caught my cum in the cupped palm of my hand and drank it down. Believe me, there is no more delightful combination of flavors than the hot sweetness of cum with the rich bitterness of shit. It's even better than listening to an Obama speech!

Afterwards I was sorry that I hadn't made it last longer. But then I realized that I still had a lot of fun in store for me. There was still a clutch of virile turds left in the bowl. I tenderly fished them out, rolled them into my handkerchief, and stashed them in my briefcase. In the week to come I found all kinds of ways to eat the shit without bolting it right down. Once eaten it's gone forever unless you want to filch it third hand out of your own asshole. Not an unreasonable recourse in moments of desperation or simple boredom.

I stored the turds in the refrigerator when I was not using them but within a week they were all gone. The last one I held in my mouth without chewing, letting it slowly dissolve. I had liquid shit trickling down my throat for nearly four hours. I must have had six orgasms in the process.

I often think of Barack Obama dropping solid gold out of his sweet, pink asshole every day, never knowing what joy it could, and at least once did, bring to a grateful democrat.

Re:If there's one thing I wouldn't do... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25702407)

or the office chair business...

Re:If there's one thing I wouldn't do... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25702067)

In which case, you're obviously not an office furniture supplier.

Re:If there's one thing I wouldn't do... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25704061)

Or a wall repairman.

Re:If there's one thing I wouldn't do... (1)

Hasney (980180) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702099)

I certainly would use those rants in my strategy. Changing business strategy > Chair to the face

Re:If there's one thing I wouldn't do... (1)

MrNaz (730548) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702741)

Chair to the face > Microsoft embracing, extending and extinguishing to the rectum

Why not OpenOffice? (5, Insightful)

Shin-LaC (1333529) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702071)

The answer might be obvious to the people involved in the project, but as an external observer I'm left to wonder why they were using StarOffice in the first place. Why not OpenOffice?

Support (4, Insightful)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702103)

When an enterprise deploys office software they want at least some kind of support from the vendor.

Re:Support (5, Insightful)

bmo (77928) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702209)

What support?

Really, what support from the vendor? Have you /read/ your EULA for any software you've used? Ever?

YOYO.

You're On Your Own.

Every EULA should have "YOYO" printed at the top of the first page (typically of dozens) or just say "You're On Your Own" in 28 point type in the middle of a blank page. It would greatly simplify things.

That support myth is so old. I don't know which myth is older, that one or the "someone to sue" myth.

Seriously, stop repeating this bullshit.

Re:Support (1)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702237)

I didn't say I agreed with it, but like it or not that's the mentality of most CIO's. Hopefully as the crusty old bastards retire and die off the mentality will change.

Re:Support (2, Informative)

Khuffie (818093) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702569)

The GP was right, though apparently he didnt know why. Most enterprise companies, when they deploy software, also purchase an extra support agreement for said software, usually from the vendor, sometimes from a 3rd party that provides support. Perhaps Star Office has said support from Sun whereas OpenOffice doesn't (not sure).

Re:Support (1)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 5 years ago | (#25706225)

Sun will provide paid support for both staroffice and openoffice, other third parties will also provide paid support for openoffice, often as part of a larger bundle of software such as a linux distribution...

Re:Support (3, Informative)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702687)

Agreed. Most EULAs are pretty much this: a notice that states whether or not redistribution is allowed (usually it is not), a notice that states how many computers you can install it on, a notice that says not to reverse engineer it, and a complete disclaimer of all warranty and sometimes even a covenant not to sue.

You can, of course, usually purchase additional support, sometimes even warranty coverage.

How does this differ from free/open source software? Not at all. One can purchase support for any major free/open source software package and one can also often purchase some level of support for various small packages, in addition to free support for all widely used packages.

Re:Support (3, Informative)

blincoln (592401) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702721)

Really, what support from the vendor? Have you /read/ your EULA for any software you've used? Ever?

I know it's popular on Slashdot to claim that vendor support doesn't exist, but if you work for a large customer of a particular vendor and ask intelligent questions of the right person working for that vendor, you will generally get good support.

In most situations, it doesn't make economic sense for everyone to have someone on staff who knows the ins and outs of every product they work with as well as a dedicated support person at the vendor does. I tend to get into the nuts and bolts of what I support a lot more than most people would, but there's only so much time in the day, and I support a *lot* of different software for my employer.

My experience has been that - while there are some vendors who have terrible support overall - generally it's just the first tier that's like that, to act as a buffer because most people who call their vendor's support line are not highly technical and only need basic support (IE something they could have learned from the manual). If you are willing to do the necessary investigation beforehand and put together a package of information (network captures, etc.) you will usually get good results.

Re:Support (2, Insightful)

remmelt (837671) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702895)

Is this very different from open source though? You can generally get good support from a mailing list if you ask the right questions. You could also buy some support at the developer's company or another OSS support firm.

The major difference is that for all the companies without enough clout to get something done at their software suppliers, support is generally nil, where anyone can ask questions on a mailing list or buy decent support.

Re:Support (1)

Fujisawa Sensei (207127) | more than 5 years ago | (#25704321)

Is this very different from open source though? You can generally get good support from a mailing list if you ask the right questions. You could also buy some support at the developer's company or another OSS support firm.

The major difference is that for all the companies without enough clout to get something done at their software suppliers, support is generally nil, where anyone can ask questions on a mailing list or buy decent support.

On a mailing list you might not get a response back, or the response might not work and then they say sorry, can't help you. With a support contract, there's a method of escalation.

I'm not saying that it works all the time, but it can sometimes help.

In addition to the escalation process, there is frequently an NDA in place so that you can send support confidential information.

Re:Support (1)

caluml (551744) | more than 5 years ago | (#25705817)

On a mailing list you might not get a response back, or the response might not work and then they say sorry, can't help you. With a support contract, there's a method of escalation.

I'm not saying that it works all the time, but it can sometimes help.

Sounds to me like you're saying that they're both as uncertain as each other - but I can pay for one? Wow, I'm sold.

Re:Support (2, Insightful)

Fujisawa Sensei (207127) | more than 5 years ago | (#25705925)

On a mailing list you might not get a response back, or the response might not work and then they say sorry, can't help you. With a support contract, there's a method of escalation. I'm not saying that it works all the time, but it can sometimes help.

Sounds to me like you're saying that they're both as uncertain as each other - but I can pay for one? Wow, I'm sold.

I guess issue escalation processes and NDAs aren't worth anything to you.

Re:Support (1)

djdavetrouble (442175) | more than 5 years ago | (#25707023)

"Is this very different from open source though? You can generally get good support from a mailing list if you ask the right questions. You could also buy some support at the developer's company or another OSS support firm."

Besides help with using the software, usually enterprise support would include rapid patches for bugs, and custom feature requests. Those are not available on mailing lists.

Re:Support (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25702955)

this wouldn't work for yo-yo manufacturers.

Re:Support (2, Funny)

fatphil (181876) | more than 5 years ago | (#25703555)

Loads of support:

1) There's an email address or telephone number where you make your request for support.
2) Someone will answer that within 3, or sometimes 7, working days to indicate they've received your request for support.

What more do you want?

Re:Support (2, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 5 years ago | (#25704965)

The EULA is the legal responsibility to not support the product. Then you have the real reason to support the product. The fact that you paid for the current version and if they do not properly support the software chances are they will not purchase the next version. Hence future money in their pocket. Even the Mighty Microsoft needs to keep good relations with their customers. Even though they may have a monopoly on Office tools and OS's it is not a strong one. OpenOffice google docs, etc... May be good enough so if Microsoft really screws its customers it could loose its control. So if you have a big customer like GE and they request a feature they will probably support it. That being said there are a lot of people out there and many are very poorly trained consumers which makes getting what you want harder.

Bad Consumer Types.

  1. The slave: They will pay the price because they think they don't have a choice. Nor will they put effort in finding alternatives. They may request a feature but the company realizes they are stuck thus no insensitive to give them the extra mile.
  2. The Bully: These guys think they are suave capitalist, These guys call the support line with Anger and Guns a blazing. They think because the underpaid support guy is trying to be nice to him he will get his unreasonable request done sooner, not realizing once he hangs up his request goes into the crackpot list. These guys will never be happy and they may or may not purchase again however they are to unpredictable to support .
  3. Hostage taker: They threaten they will not pay unless they get what they want, even if it is outside the contract. Thus not paying there forth a bad customer thus no support.

  4.  

However good consumers are well aware what is out there. And are able to be nice enough to the company and employees to make them want to do business with you however they know if you are not satisfied there is a small gap until you switch. and if you are satisfied you can be an excellent customer and ally of the company.

Don't get fooled being a large company helps a lot as you have a lot of money to back it up thus allowing you be a bad consumer and they will still kiss you ass. But if you are a small customer even if you are demanding you may have more voice then you thought.

Now under Open Source Projects. You can put in requests for features or fixes. They may or may not get fixed, depends on who is maintaining the project. But for a lot of them, if the code isn't fun to make (a lot of features require a lot boring coding) or you just don't want to do it. It may not get in. Then they say if you want it code it yourself. Not caring the amount of time it takes to read and follow someone else code, especially for more complex applications. Or the person who needs the application isn't a programmer. And doesn't want to pay for someone to fix it. (costing on average 150% more to hire someone else to fix the problem then it takes to get the guy who made it originally to fix it.)

Re:Support (1)

howlingmadhowie (943150) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702211)

so many buzzwords. 'enterprise', 'deploy', 'office software', 'vendor'.

i dunno, was sun offering support for staroffice as part of the google pack?
is it impossible to get support for openoffice.org?

Re:Support (1)

MrZaius (321037) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702363)

"When an enterprise deploys office software they want at least some kind of support from the vendor."

But... this is a package of free as in beer home-use applications never intended, at least in its most common form, for corporate use. The real answer is that the added clip-art and other miscellaneous minor differences between StarOffice and its OpenOffice base are well worth including if you're getting them for free. If not, it makes more sense to stick with OpenOffice. This is more likely to be an interim move pending a big global "downgrade" to OpenOffice when they start pushing out v3 - One hopes that, by that point, the differences between StarOffice and the more current OpenOffice build become insignificant.

Re:Why not OpenOffice? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25702165)

StarOffice has some proprietary parts that couldn't be put into OpenOffice. In particular, Sun Microsystems licensed information about the format of Office files from Microsoft, to gain better compatibility.

Re:Why not OpenOffice? (4, Insightful)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702249)

"In particular, Sun Microsystems licensed information about the format of Office files from Microsoft, to gain better compatibility."

[citation needed]

Re:Why not OpenOffice? (5, Funny)

radimvice (762083) | more than 5 years ago | (#25704395)

[citation needed]

Anonymous Coward. "Re:Why not OpenOffice?" Weblog comment. 10 November 2008. "StarOffice Dropped From Google Pack." Timothy Lord. Slashdot. 10 November 2008 (http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1023681&cid=25702165).

Hope that helps~

Re:Why not OpenOffice? (2, Informative)

Drinking Bleach (975757) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702791)

Last I checked, MS Office support in StarOffice was just as good/bad as it is in OpenOffice 2.0. I seriously doubt Microsoft would give anyone information about the MS Office formats -- this isn't exactly the days where WordPerfect and Lotus 1-2-3 rule the earth anymore.

Re:Why not OpenOffice? (2, Informative)

GIL_Dude (850471) | more than 5 years ago | (#25703713)

You mean like this: http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/02/20/0420258 [slashdot.org], where they opened up the specifications on their binary formats? I understand there is some discussion on the terms - and whether they can be used by GPL projects or not - and I don't take a position on that (not being a lawyer). But, it certainly isn't true that they wouldn't give information about the formats to ANYONE. They certainly HAVE given them to people.

Re:Why not OpenOffice? (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 5 years ago | (#25704829)

Last I checked, MS Office support in StarOffice was just as good/bad as it is in OpenOffice 2.0.

Mostly I find it's pretty good. But what really made me read this far was to find out if anyone actually still uses StarOffice, since the open form has been made available...

You're confusing Office Suites. (1)

DrYak (748999) | more than 5 years ago | (#25707325)

In particular, Sun Microsystems licensed information about the format of Office files from Microsoft, to gain better compatibility.

No. Both Open- and Star- Office use their own MS-Office readers. (I was under the impression that some of the work on wvWare [sourceforge.net] has helped developing OOo's but I'm not sure. I might be confusing with antiword [demon.nl]). Nothing licensed from Microsoft.

3rd party non-OSS code was used to provide a reader for WordPerfect's Office suite.
StarOffice uses a 3rd party closed source reader.
Whereas OOo has more recently incorporated the function thank to a separate opensource project (libwpd [sourceforge.net] if my memory still works).

Given the fact that WordPerfect had an important share in some specific markets (international organisations), and that in the beginning OOo still lacked official support for it, it might have made more sense to Google to opt for StarOffice instead.

Note:
In a similar fashion, StarOffice feature 3rd party proprietary support for Grammar check.
Whereas Language Tool [languagetool.org] is developed for OOo.
Given that LanguageTool still isn't part of stock OOo, this too may have weighted in favor of StarOffice.

Re:Why not OpenOffice? (1)

ChrisA90278 (905188) | more than 5 years ago | (#25706605)

Star Office is built from Open Office but because it is a paid for product you get support from Sun and small set of features that can't be done with free software do to patents or something like that.

Once again (1)

noundi (1044080) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702081)

"Or has it been stung into action by Steve Ballmer's recent comment that Microsoft Office faces stronger competition from StarOffice than it does Google Docs and Spreadsheet?"

Didn't Balmer just recently claim that Android is nothing to worry about? I have the feeling Balmer likes Google. I wonder what search engine he uses by the way. :)

Re:Once again (1)

corychristison (951993) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702299)

I wonder what search engine he uses by the way. :)

I see Balmer as a living on the edge kind of guy.
Obviously Baidu [baidu.com] is the natural choice for him.

Is that a problem? (1)

Polarina (1389203) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702085)

Sooner or later they'll face the consequences. Revenge doesn't solve anything, unless you're having problems starting a World War III.

It's obvious.... (5, Insightful)

i_want_you_to_throw_ (559379) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702097)

Google Apps. Google's only obligation since becoming a publicly traded company (GOOG) is this...

Making a profit for shareholders

Including StarOffice does nothing to that end.

Honestly why is anyone surprised when Google acts like a real company?

Re:It's obvious.... (4, Interesting)

noshellswill (598066) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702179)

Classic short-sight! GOOGLES value largely depends on how web_usrs view it as an "honest broker". Usrs revalue the company every day. GOOGLE is one-button-click away from bankruptcy and that button must be considered & re-chosen constantly. Other buttons abound. It's not like GOOGLE makes toilet-seats.....

Re:It's obvious.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25703323)

"Classic short-sight" ...Isn't that how all companies have been run since the existence of the stock exchange?

Re:It's obvious.... (1)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702285)

This includes making competitors fight on their home turf - i.e., taking the battle to Windows and Office. So this still seems an odd move.

Re:It's obvious.... (2, Insightful)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 5 years ago | (#25705239)

Honestly why is anyone surprised when Google acts like a real company?

Because they seldom do. Most of their services and applications are for free. Plus, if you are a heavy user of adblocker, you don't see their adds either. So its easy to forget that they aren't a non-for profit at times.

It's because staroffice is slow and a resource hog (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25702115)

Applications written in interpreted languages are for prototypes and programs that you don't run often. For everyday use, you want something that loads fast, is responsive, and doesn't take bazillions of Mbytes from both your RAM and Disk Space, and open/staroffice is none of these things.

Don't look me wrong for bashing open source, I also think that Vista sucked because it's probably written in .NET, obviously.

Re:It's because staroffice is slow and a resource (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25702143)

I think you suck. I know your daddy sucks cock, while I fucked him in the arse with my 4 inch strap on (he isn't man enough to go anything bigger), he sucked this Gigolo cock.

Yeah, that was a fun night, what with the coke and cock.

Oh, and don't make the mistake of thinking that just because OOo is slow is because part of it is written in Java. It's slow because it's big and heavy.
There are lots of apps that are really fast, even though they are written in Java, Python and other interpreted languages.

Re:It's because staroffice is slow and a resource (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25702207)

Applications written in interpreted languages are for prototypes and programs that you don't run often.

Modern industry is held together by custom scripts.

For everyday use, you want something that loads fast, is responsive, and doesn't take bazillions of Mbytes from both your RAM and Disk Space,

I use a text editor, sc and awk; YMMV. Most people seem to use Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office which discounts your theory entirely.

I also think that Vista sucked because it's probably written in .NET, obviously.

Wrong although I can't disagree completely, Vista does suck!

Re:It's because staroffice is slow and a resource (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25702261)

Says the AC commenting on Slashdot..

Re:It's because staroffice is slow and a resource (1)

wik (10258) | more than 5 years ago | (#25703753)

Used Firefox or Thunderbird recently?

Re:It's because staroffice is slow and a resource (4, Informative)

Fred_A (10934) | more than 5 years ago | (#25703859)

What do you think OpenOffice is written in ?? BASIC ? Perl ? Intercal ?

(Hint : it uses this esoteric language that has a name that starts with C and ends with ++)

Re:It's because staroffice is slow and a resource (1)

Kentaree (1078787) | more than 5 years ago | (#25704189)

Java?

Re:It's because staroffice is slow and a resource (2, Informative)

Fred_A (10934) | more than 5 years ago | (#25705105)

Java?

Not especially. You can write extensions in a number of languages. Java is used in a few peripheral tools such as the database glue layers. The core stuff is C++.

Re:It's because staroffice is slow and a resource (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25706129)

(Hint : it uses this esoteric language that has a name that starts with C and ends with ++)

Interesting - I'd never before heard of an office software package written in the form of an eBay comment. That idiom seems more natural for a shell, with "Would do business again" acting as the input listener.

staroffice? (5, Interesting)

sdnoob (917382) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702135)

was google PAYING sun for (the commercially licensed) staroffice? perhaps this is just the first step in replacing staroffice with (the free) openoffice to eliminate that (unnecessary) expense.

note that staroffice 8 is also over three years old (derived from openoffice 2.0), compared to openoffice 3, which was recently released... google could simply be moving to openoffice to stay more current with the software.

but i wouldn't put it past 'em to be removing it completely in order to drive users to their (less capable) web applications; as the article suggests. if they do not actually replace staroffice with another offline equivalent (e.g. openoffice), though, there may be some user backlash.

Re:staroffice? (5, Interesting)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702355)

Or maybe they're following the IBM route, and making their own fork of OpenOffice.org, only in their case with better integration with Google apps (e.g. storing documents on their servers and sharing them via Google Apps).

Some user backlash (2, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 5 years ago | (#25706615)

Ya, for about 5 minutes. The attention span of a typical user today is a 30 minute sitcom.

Give it a couple of weeks and people will forget it was even an option.

Re:staroffice? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25706925)

I always assumed there as an agreement for Google to include Staroffice in it's Google apps,
and Sun distributes the Google toolbar with Java.

Of course, this is pure speculation.

Well, the important thing... (4, Interesting)

Spasemunki (63473) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702145)

is that we begin right away with the baseless speculation about which of many conspiracies is responsible for this omission. God forbid someone email someone at Google, or wait until they make a blog post or something.

Re:Well, the important thing... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25702187)

Maybe we at Google like reading your nutty conspiracy theories. Don't stop on our behalf.

-- Eric Schmidt

Re:Well, the important thing... (2, Funny)

Daengbo (523424) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702289)

I suggest we finger the GNAA guys as responsible for this one.

Re:Well, the important thing... (1)

Jesus_666 (702802) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702469)

I see your GNAA and raise you one Illuminati.

Re:Well, the important thing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25702853)

I believe the singular is "Illuminatus."

Re:Well, the important thing... (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 5 years ago | (#25705343)

Please don't use "finger" and "GNAA" in the same sentence.

At least you didn't reference goatse...

Doesn't make sense (3, Insightful)

toxygen01 (901511) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702175)

How in the first place could have been staroffice included in "Google Pack of free software" when it's proprietary?

Seems fairly obvious... (4, Interesting)

biscuitlover (1306893) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702273)

Maybe Google are removing a competitor to their own office applications because... they are a competitor to their own office applications.

In order for Google to make any kind of inroads into Microsoft's customer base, they have to convince people that online apps are just as viable as their offline counterparts. So providing an offline office suite in the Google Pack - ostensibly to keep the doubters happy - might be considered by some to be an admission that Google Docs won't do the job.

Re:Seems fairly obvious... (1)

digitig (1056110) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702847)

Does Google Documents include support for user-defines templates yet? Without them, I don't consider them to be in competition with offline office apps. I don't want to have to set up my letterhead and so on every time I type a letter.

Re:Seems fairly obvious... (1)

fatphil (181876) | more than 5 years ago | (#25703789)

I'm not sure I really see why the following (from the summary) is an _OR_:

Is Google trying to drive more people towards its own online suite of office applications?

Or

has it been stung into action by Steve Ballmer's recent comment that Microsoft Office faces stronger competition from StarOffice than it does Google Docs and Spreadsheet?"

I'd suggest that it was an _AND_ instead. _AND_ what you said too. The overlap of the 3 is pretty complete.

suits me fine, I'd rather have openoffice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25702401)

Staroffice is ok, but openoffice is a newer build now with more features.

Maybe when they release the next version of staroffice I might use it again.

What Google should do (5, Interesting)

teslatug (543527) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702475)

Google should develop a really good plugin for OpenOffice.org that makes it a client for Google Docs. It should handle uploading, downloading, synchronizing, merging conflicts, etc. That would scare MS off a lot more, and it would actually make both OOo and Google Docs more useful.

Re:What Google should do (1)

ld a,b (1207022) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702989)

"Now you can have all the privacy and security issues of Google Docs with the combined performance of Java and JavaScript in a single package!!!"
Sounds like something Microsoft would sell for $5999.99.

Re:What Google should do (1)

iammani (1392285) | more than 5 years ago | (#25703607)

...It should handle uploading, downloading, synchronizing, merging conflicts, etc.

and ads???

Re:What Google should do (1)

Jim Hall (2985) | more than 5 years ago | (#25704025)

Google should develop a really good plugin for OpenOffice.org that makes it a client for Google Docs. It should handle uploading, downloading, synchronizing, merging conflicts, etc. [...]

This is a really good idea. I'd be satisfied if it only supported upload/download (that is, Google Docs becomes another place for OpenOffice.org to save docs.) This might make it easier for people to migrate to Google Docs if we didn't have to upload everything before using Docs.

Re:What Google should do (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25706043)

The plugin already exists.

go to extensions.openoffice.org

Downside : it has the same file size limits
as regular upload, and formatting is far from perfectly preserved.

 

Re:What Google should do (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25704761)

Wow...this is an excellent idea. I would definitely be more likely to use Google Docs if there was a plug-in that hooked directly into a standalone app.

Why not axe Norton first? (3, Insightful)

MazzThePianoman (996530) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702527)

Forget about StarOffice, axe Norton Security Scan. I am wondering why they are having anything to do with Norton who makes the most bloated, resource wasting, performance sucking, software on the planet. There are better solutions out there that don't kill the usability of your computer.

Norton isn't the most bloated software (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25702585)

I think you have it wrong in claiming that Norton is the most bloated resource hogging software. My top 3 hogs were:
1) iTunes
2) Outlook
3) Norton AV

Since I stopped running windows for day to day things, I don't really notice any bloat-ware ... although my video editor does slow 1 entire core down as it runs. But that's expected. iTunes and Outlook don't have a good excuse.

Re:Norton isn't the most bloated software (1)

Koiu Lpoi (632570) | more than 5 years ago | (#25703929)

I've never seen iTunes use above 5% CPU. Ever. And I keep close watch on my processes.

Re:Why not axe Norton first? (1)

GuyverDH (232921) | more than 5 years ago | (#25703993)

Let me guess, the last time you tried Norton was when? 2004? 2005?

I'd much prefer NIS 2009 to the current corporate McAfee bloatware.

Try NIS 2008 - then 2009... 2008 was lightweight, 2009 is a featherweight as far as system resources go.

Re:Why not axe Norton first? (1)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 5 years ago | (#25704353)

IIRC, Norton Security Scan isnt a bloaty realtime scanner. Its like ClamAV or Microsoft's Malicious software remover tool. It has definitions of malware and can do a full scan when the user gets suspicious. Its probably a good idea to keep it in the pack, considering the infection level of your average PC. I wonder how many computers have been saved simply be running this or the MSRT.

Google also has a pretty big incentive to bundle AV scanners. A significant number of issues with its software can be traced to a poorly running PC. PCs free of trojans and viruses means less complaints and support issues.

Google Apps (0, Offtopic)

Grimbleton (1034446) | more than 5 years ago | (#25702589)

When I'm away from my own computer, I rarely, if ever, type anything in whatever's installed on the computer I'm on. It's almost always a quick log in to Google Docs.

I like online software. I like it a lot.

Phone data plan? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#25705363)

I like online software. I like it a lot.

Enough to pay $$$ for a mobile phone data plan that allows laptop tethering?

How were they giving it away in the first place? (3, Insightful)

sorak (246725) | more than 5 years ago | (#25703057)

How were they giving it away in the first place? If you go to Sun's website and try to download Star Office normally, it's $70. So how was Google able to give it away for free, and why isn't "sun wanted cash" a possible explanation for Google dropping the product?

Re:How were they giving it away in the first place (3, Funny)

H0p313ss (811249) | more than 5 years ago | (#25705237)

How were they giving it away in the first place? If you go to Sun's website and try to download Star Office normally, it's $70. So how was Google able to give it away for free, and why isn't "sun wanted cash" a possible explanation for Google dropping the product?

Don't bring logic into this, that way leads only to madness.

Re:How were they giving it away in the first place (1)

master811 (874700) | more than 5 years ago | (#25705843)

It's because they also included Java in the Google Pack.

See here: http://www.google.com/press/pressrel/sun_toolbar.html [google.com]

"Under the agreement, Sun will include the Google Toolbar as an option in its consumer downloads of the Java Runtime Environment on http://java.com./ [java.com.] In addition, the companies have agreed to explore opportunities to promote and enhance Sun technologies, like the Java Runtime Environment and the OpenOffice.org productivity suite available at http://www.openoffice.org./ [www.openoffice.org]"

Re:How were they giving it away in the first place (2, Interesting)

master811 (874700) | more than 5 years ago | (#25705883)

To add to that, if you are a 'student or work in Education' you can also download it from free here: http://www.sun.com/products-n-solutions/edu/solutions/staroffice.html#StarOffice [sun.com]

Re:How were they giving it away in the first place (1)

nathana (2525) | more than 5 years ago | (#25707087)

In addition, if you Google around a bit or know where to look [blogspot.com], you can find the URL to download Google StarOffice directly [google.com] without having to download the Google Pack/install Google Updater.

The setup file is still downloadable at that location, BTW, despite the fact that it is not mentioned on the Google Pack page any longer nor does Google Updater recognize it as a Google Pack app. So if you STILL want it...

-- Nathan

Duh? (1)

rgviza (1303161) | more than 5 years ago | (#25704049)

>Google trying to drive more people towards its own online suite of office applications?

Google apps are pretty damn good now. I use them all the time. I'll take "can access it from anywhere without installing any software" over hardcore features any day of the week.

They also have built in collaboration. Star Office is kind of redundant. Then again I'm just a "normal" person with regard to Office products. As a software engineer, my requirements for an office product set the bar pretty low.

An accountant, or other financial business professional, will most likely find the software not quite delivering what they need in a spreadsheet etc. application. Then again, they'd also probably find Star Office lacking.

-Viz

Re:Duh? (1)

Neil Hodges (960909) | more than 5 years ago | (#25704561)

I don't know, online stuff is good and all, but I've been in enough situations without access to the Internet (or any other network) to where I still see value in local applications. A hybridization of the two seems like the best compromise. That said, my favorite type of online program is something running locally, but with the ability to connect to a server with a local cache. The IMAP protocol is my favorite way to fetch my e-mail, and I'd love for there to be more applications following a similar methodology. Trying to force a dynamic UI into HTML isn't the most ideal solution, at least in my opinion.

Re:Duh? (1)

mikesd81 (518581) | more than 5 years ago | (#25706213)

I don't know, online stuff is good and all, but I've been in enough situations without access to the Internet (or any other network) to where I still see value in local applications.

But not only that. How many times have a big internet company lost logins and passwords and personal data? And while Google Docs is good, I like having my full featured suite available, whether it be Open Office or Star, or Microsoft, or whatever.

No surprise (1)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 5 years ago | (#25704377)

Expect Google Pack to have Chrome and desktop hotlinks to launch Chromeified desktop versions of Google Apps.

News for Nerds? (1)

kwerle (39371) | more than 5 years ago | (#25705809)

Could we change the title of the site to "FUD for Nerds?"

You're freaking slashdot. Pick up the freaking phone and call google and ask them. A whole bunch of nerds would like to know; get us a damn answer.

Of course Star Offie is more competition (1)

mikesd81 (518581) | more than 5 years ago | (#25706163)

Or has it been stung into action by Steve Ballmer's recent comment that Microsoft Office faces stronger competition from StarOffice than it does Google Docs and Spreadsheet?"

Well of course MS is facing stronger competition from StarOffice. After all it is a full featured office package. Google Docs and Spreadsheet are neat, but nothing beats having all the features an office suite provides.

Don't^H^H^H^H^H Be Evil (0, Troll)

dtabraha (557054) | more than 5 years ago | (#25707121)

It's fine to go off and develop your own office suite and pull someone else's from one of your packages.

But doing it in secret with no information about when or why? Totally evil.

IMO Google's main flaw is their lack of support and closed mouth policy about their decisions.
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