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AVG Virus Scanner Removes Critical Windows File

kdawson posted more than 5 years ago | from the it-just-acts-like-one dept.

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secmartin writes "The popular virus scanner AVG released an update yesterday that caused their software to mark user32.dll as a virus. Since this is a rather critical file, AVG's suggestion to remove it caused problems for users around the world who are now advised to restore the file through the Windows Recovery Console. AVG just posted an update about this (FAQ item 1574) in the support section of their site. Their forums are full of complaints."

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Well... (5, Funny)

jav1231 (539129) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714135)

Just doing it's job!

Re:Well... (-1, Flamebait)

millennial (830897) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714155)

Oh, brother. Score: -5, Obvious Joke

Re:Well... (4, Funny)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714197)

When I read it, I thought the title was "AVG Virus Scanner Removes Critical Windows Flaw" ...
That would have been excellent sales technique. shame the reality is so very different.

Re:Well... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25714497)

shame the reality is so very different.

It is?

Re:Well... (5, Funny)

BronsCon (927697) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714741)

It removes the biggest flaw of all: user.

Re:Well... (-1, Redundant)

AdmiralXyz (1378985) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714817)

What do you mean? It is removing Windows's biggest flaw: it's ability to run.

Re:Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25714349)

Just doing it's job!

From its soapbox, AVG also instructed users to pack their computers back up and mail them back to the retailer.

Re:Well... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25714383)

This isn't too far from realistic.

I work for a firm that, through the power of politics, actually pays to use McAfee antivirus and related products. Now, this is a product that can sometimes detect a virus but can't remove it, whatsoever. Yet, it will produce an error message that prompts the end-user to "delete", "remove" or "ignore"... (something to this nature - it really doesn't matter since none of them work except "ignore").

Some of the technicians have resorted to using certain free applications to get rid of the viruses (virii?) when the end-users show up to the help desk, angry as all get. Recently, McAfee started preventing these various freeware packages from being installed - it simply detects them as viruses themselves!

You could say that McAfee is doing its job - it leaves the sales up to the politicians while it prevents the real software from doing the work.

What a hopeless, hopeless situation.

Re:Well... (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25714697)

Shouldn't it have deleted *all* the windows files? Windoze is nothing but a bloated virus, after all!

doh (2, Interesting)

phaetonic (621542) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714169)

you get what you pay for?

Re:doh (5, Insightful)

ShadowBlasko (597519) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714199)

you get what you pay for?

So, those of us who have paid for (what used to be called) the SoHo version, or any of the other versions should just grin and bare it? I dont think so. I'm pissed. It's not all freeware

Re:doh (1)

Adambomb (118938) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714309)

should just grin and bare it?

Well yes, actually, as depending on what you bare to them it can be a very effective statement.

ESPECIALLY if you're grinning while you bare [reference.com] it [reference.com] .

Re:doh (4, Funny)

mrsteveman1 (1010381) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714477)

Careful what you bare, you saw how quick it cut off that dll file :D

Re:doh (4, Funny)

IorDMUX (870522) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714573)

Why do people always decide to grin and bare it on Slashdot? I mean, couldn't they at least include a NSFW tag?

It's just not Kosher, sometimes.

Re:doh (5, Insightful)

McNally (105243) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714261)

you get what you pay for?

It'd be nice to think that that was true, but based on the number of totally f'ed up McAfee and Norton situations I've seen, it's not even close to safe to conclude that for-pay anti-virus products are reliably more trouble-free than ones that don't cost money for home use.

Re:doh (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714485)

based on the number of totally f'ed up McAfee and Norton situations I've seen

Norton couldn't pay me enough to run their home AV solution again, ever. Even their own salesmen said it was crap to have some credibility when pushing the enterprise version. I use AVG as a confirmation of my own good sense on my Windows machines, and if nothing else it's been quietly sitting in the corner doing its job (or not). At least it hasn't been a pain in the butt like certain other software, so despite this blunder I'm quite likely going to continue using it. Well that, and Linux on the rest but that's another story. Despite these news I still have faith that AVG is the least crappy of the bunch - and that's saying alot.

Re:doh (4, Interesting)

HeronBlademaster (1079477) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714669)

AVG failed to detect dozens of viruses and malware on my sister's computer that Avast cleared out. Avast isn't perfect, but they're both free, and it's my experience that Avast is more reliable than AVG. As always, YMMV.

Re:doh (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25714283)

Actually the free versions always get their updates later than the paid for versions, so it's the paying customers who were affected the most by this.

Re:doh (2, Funny)

Daimanta (1140543) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714285)

So not paying institutes messing up your pc?

Then I know some people from the Cosa Nostra that I want you to meet...

Re:doh (4, Funny)

TornCityVenz (1123185) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714363)

That's Why I moved to Linux....oh wait...nevermind.

Re:doh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25714563)

Damn you Linus you've DOOMED US ALL!!!

Sucks to be on windows.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25714181)

On the mac we don't have these kind of problems. Mac's are better then PCs.

Re:Sucks to be on windows.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25714211)

http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/ [apple.com]

security updates

Riiiiiiiiight

Re:Sucks to be on windows.. (1)

mrsteveman1 (1010381) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714489)

They make AV software for OS X you just choose not to install it. That is the difference.

It's sad... (5, Insightful)

FF8Jake (929704) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714189)

It seems like AVG has gone massively downhill lately.

Re:It's sad... (3, Insightful)

WiglyWorm (1139035) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714209)

After having read this, I think I may switch back to Avast.

Arrr! (1)

gbutler69 (910166) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714341)

Avast yee scurvy dogs!

Re:Arrr! (0)

mhall119 (1035984) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714499)

No, Avast yee scurvy virii.

Re:Arrr! (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25714671)

No, Avast ye scurvy viruses, dammit! Not everything that looks vaguely latin should be pluralized with an i, and most certainly nothing should be pluralized by changing the word-final "us" to "ii"! You're just a dumbass trying to look educated, and failing miserably. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/virus [reference.com]

Re:Arrr! (2, Insightful)

mhall119 (1035984) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714879)

Right, because Pirates are known for proper spelling and pronunciation. Can you see a pirate trying to pronoun viruses? I didn't think so.

Re:Arrr! (0, Redundant)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714703)

No, Avast yee scurvy virii.

No, Avast ye scurvy viruses.

Re:It's sad... (3, Funny)

Finallyjoined!!! (1158431) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714213)

I must admit I don't recommend it anymore, however if it kills Windows systems it's just gone up in my estimation :-)

Re:It's sad... (2, Insightful)

LSD-OBS (183415) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714233)

You said it, brother. We stopped using it when they released v8.0

They've completely lost the plot. Marketing-bullshit-driven crap, no doubt.

Re:It's sad... (1)

negRo_slim (636783) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714277)

Marketing-bullshit-driven crap, no doubt.

True enough, but it's not so bad you can't live with it... except that lower "notification bar" that never stays hidden. It simply returns to spew more FUD, like did you know that nearly 80% of all websites kill a kitten when you visit with out a spyware blocker?

Re:It's sad... (5, Informative)

maxume (22995) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714447)

Go to the install directory and rename "avgresf.dll" and "afgmwdef_us.mht" (adding a .bak or whatever should work fine). I did this a few days ago and the notification bar is no more, with no apparent problems.

Also, don't tell anyone, to prevent AVG from changing it.

Re:It's sad... (4, Funny)

narcberry (1328009) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714913)

Also, don't tell anyone, to prevent AVG from changing it.

Especially not any popular websites.

Re:It's sad... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25714505)

I use my kitten as a spyware blocker. Will it die?

Damn, wheres Schroedinger when I need him.

Re:It's sad... (5, Funny)

mrsteveman1 (1010381) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714521)

"nearly 80% of all websites kill a kitten when you visit with out a spyware blocker?"

It's actually one of the HTTP status codes

463 - NO_MORE_KITTEN

Re:It's sad... (1)

phmadore (1391487) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714247)

If only there were more opensource coders who used Windows primarily, there'd probably be an anti-virus along the lines of Filezilla, Firefox, Openoffice, and so on...

Re:It's sad... (1)

TENTH SHOW JAM (599239) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714381)

Not really, people who code for open source have a vested interest in doing things once, doing them properly and never having to do them again. This is usually because the individual coders reputation is on the line. Thus we see the ultimate Open Source solution for anti virus is to remove the vectors which viruses cannot attack.

Built in security beats tacked onto the side any day.

Now I know that Open Source still has bugs that allow viruses to propagate, but the solution is usually that the writers of the original code fix the hole rather than someone else selling a tacked on solution.

Re:It's sad... (1)

JustOK (667959) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714463)

Thus we see the ultimate Open Source solution for anti virus is to remove the vectors which viruses cannot attack.

And no one has the authority to say that they didn't get it quite right: they should be removing vectors which viruses CAN attack.

Re:It's sad... (3, Funny)

BronsCon (927697) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714801)

Thus we see the ultimate Open Source solution for anti virus is to remove the vectors which viruses cannot attack.

So, Microsoft got it right?

Re:It's sad... (4, Informative)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714399)

I'm not sure that there would be. Antivirus is one of those things that(at least until actual heuristic scanning that seriously works comes out) leans heavily on having a whole bunch of security guys and worker drones hammering out signature updates all day every day. That isn't something that falls under "The Open Source is strong with this one". In particular, antivirus is basically a bandaid designed to let clueless users use critically flawed systems without understanding them. If OSS coders were more common on Windows, they would probably just read and write to any of the various guides for running Windows with minimal privileges, and ignore the problem.

Re:It's sad... (1)

mofag (709856) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714263)

I agree. I bought the full version to have more control over what it did but the full version just takes over your PC in a similar fashion to symantec or mcaffee. It seems like the only way to have a safe computer is to not use it and that's the way these "security" suites are going: "we'll make your PC unusable so you don't get into trouble"

Re:It's sad... (4, Insightful)

Red Pointy Tail (127601) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714569)

Yes, they used to be very good, but they have gone all terrible. First, they started hiding all evidence to their free version from their website (you have to know to go to free.grisoft.com otherwise there is no link from their main website, though it is back up now), misleading licensing, then their version 8 started doing all sort of crap like hogging resources, scanning every weblink and generating massive amount of web traffic (though it can be turned off), and having bugs every week like marking legitimate files as infected and irritatingly requiring a computer restart every time you turn it on (requires a reinstall to fix it).

They have gone all shite, and I'm massively put off by them now, and I will recommend anyone against buying or using their stuff. They are just plain sloppy now, and frankly you don't want your first or second line of defence to be sloppy.

After our current license term expires, my company will be switching away to another vendor.

not what it seems (5, Funny)

savuporo (658486) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714207)

This is actually a patch that they tried to roll out to fix Ubuntu bug #1 [launchpad.net] , a great stride forward too.

Re:not what it seems (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25714389)

Naw, the patch that was released was called Windows Vista.

Re:not what it seems (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25714763)

don't tell me ... you can crash Ubuntu's launchpad with a slashdot?

I haven't been hit yet... (1)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714221)

...how do I shield myself from the hit, potentially causing headache? Do not recommend Linux for it's "not there yet." I will give KDE a few more years.

By the way, AVG will never auto-update on any system of mine! But when I update manually, all goes well. Do they (AVG) just want to frustrate me in the hope that I will abandon my "free" AVG? If that's what they think, they are doomed!

Re:I haven't been hit yet... (3, Insightful)

couchslug (175151) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714331)

"Do not recommend Linux for it's "not there yet." I will give KDE a few more years."

It would appear that certain free AV software is also "not there yet". :)

Re:I haven't been hit yet... (4, Informative)

Animaether (411575) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714451)

If you haven't been hit yet, then you probably won't be either; your AVG quite likely already has the fixed definitions file.

If you -are- hit... guess what? it pops up a warning that it believes it found some sort of trojan in user32.dll . Laymen might just tell it to remove the thing, but I do hope -you- would know better and tell it to stfu and ignore, then fetch the latest update (it will warn you a few more times if you've got the resident shield runnning, as user32.dll gets accessed a lot).

If you -are- hit and it has already removed it... quickly restore it, carry on.

If you are hit, it has removed it, and your machine has already crashed... reboot to a command prompt (safe mode MAY work, but it didn't when I fixed a machine on sunday), restore user32.dll from a cache / restore point. If you can't get it from a cache, get it from the installation CD (if you have one), but keep in mind that it will be missing updates and windows update might not realize that (as everything else on the system tells it hotfixes N-M have been installed - maybe MS will make the update check the MD5 or something of user32.dll, after this problem, just in case).

This was extremely stupid on the end of AVG, but then I'm still baffled why such files can be removed at all; same with ntldr. If you accidentally wipe your root dir, you're all kinds of f'ed.

Should have gone for the gold... (5, Funny)

phmadore (1391487) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714223)

Should have gone for the gold, marked Explorer.exe and iExplore...

Re:Should have gone for the gold... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25714289)

del config.sys

Re:Should have gone for the gold... (5, Funny)

Anpheus (908711) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714403)

You haven't used Microsoft software in a while, have you?

Re:Should have gone for the gold... (2, Informative)

negRo_slim (636783) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714487)

Oh my... [wikipedia.org]

Re:Should have gone for the gold... (2, Funny)

msuarezalvarez (667058) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714543)

The list time I installed an OS from MS, it had a CONFIG.SYS file... What do they use nowadays?

Re:Should have gone for the gold... (1)

cazbar (582875) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714457)

I should think losing iexplore.exe would be a benefit.

Re:Should have gone for the gold... (1)

techno-vampire (666512) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714759)

I was thinking roughly the same thing, but I would have suggested having the user delete kernel32.dll, then reboot "to make sure your changes take effect."

hugsforhackers? hugsforusers if you use AVG (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25714225)

AVG: Tough on hackers. Tougher on you

downhill since 7.5 (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25714237)

IMO it has definitely gone down hill since 7.5; remember being able to run in CLI?
I had (at one time, when I was a break/fix tech) everything set to run silent install, clean everything and spit out a log thereafter... but since 8 came out, that's only for pro! ... nice AVG, enjoy your declining market share in the "crap av" category.

nothing of value (1)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714253)

and nothing of value has been lost

Hah finally (1)

sleeponthemic (1253494) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714255)

Flagging the OS as a virus.

Pretty soon you'll click heal and your box will immediately start downloading something much more wholesome [ubuntusatanic.org]

Re:Hah finally (1)

LingNoi (1066278) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714465)

Seeming as distrowatch refuses to list Ubuntu: Satanic Edition [ubuntusatanic.org] , but happily allows Muslim and Christian editions of Ubuntu I guess they're going to need the numbers.

Setting itself apart from other software (4, Interesting)

LoadWB (592248) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714267)

Damn. This is what I was hoping would never happen to AVG. After reading all the times that McAfee, Norton, and others had removed Office documents, Windows DLLs, and Office DLLs, I always had a smug chuckle available.

But now. Ah, well. Four years, 300 workstations, a dozen or more managed installations and still not a single infection or major problem for me using AVG.

Re:Setting itself apart from other software (0, Redundant)

HeronBlademaster (1079477) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714725)

Are you sure that's not just because AVG doesn't detect some viruses? As I mentioned elsewhere, my sister's computer was running AVG, but it had dozens of viruses that I could only remove by installing Avast (though to be honest I ended up reformatting anyway). I used to recommend AVG but in the last two years or so I've been recommending Avast.

Isn't this ... (1)

Riot.ATL (1365395) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714281)

... a good thing?

</flamebait>

Maybe they should test it on Windows? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25714301)

Well, I can understand that they develop their scanner on a different OS, but they really should test it on Windows, since that is what it is supposed to run on.

Clearly their QA process is totally non-existent.

I'm not surprised... (1)

gravyface (592485) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714307)

We use the non-free edition on several of our customers' SBS 2003 servers and noticed that one of their updates had put the machine in a "AVG has been updated. Please reboot now" loop and Exchange's Information Store service wasn't running/couldn't start. Had to disable the scanner key in the registry so Exchange would start. Then had to download a utility to fix the update files to bring AVG back to a stable state.

Also had another issue where ICS was suddenly enabled and failing on the server; traced that back to AVG as well.

We're looking for another low-cost, low-bloat anti-malware solution to migrate our clients to once their licenses expire.

Re:I'm not surprised... (1)

HeronBlademaster (1079477) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714821)

Just a bit of advice - I'd stay away from BitDefender. They gave us a great price, but their software caused all sorts of network issues - one of our domain controllers started intermittently losing network connectivity for no reason whatsoever (I had to reformat the server to fix it). We had DNS and WINS resolution issues for weeks after installing BitDefender. Various applications wouldn't work. Their management tools don't always work correctly.

We ended up getting a prorated refund; we're going to buy Avast this week instead. I use Avast on my personal laptop; I love it, and haven't had any significant performance degradation. (For improved performance, turn off VRDB generation.) Avast integrates with e-mail clients (including Outlook and Thunderbird) and I think it can integrate itself with instant messenger and peer-to-peer clients as well, but I don't use that feature.

Wasn't AVG a "dangerous" program, recently? (1)

ivi (126837) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714315)

I seem to recall reading reports / rumors of AVG being a dangerous product, at the latest major version release (was it 7.0?).

At that point, we removed it, but still have one computer trying to run it, but (hopefully) unable to do so, due to a missing AVG DLL file (deleted, with others, when manual remove wouldn't work).

Who would use a program, with such a recent (alleged) history of infecting computers, rather than protecting them? :-/

Re:Wasn't AVG a "dangerous" program, recently? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25714333)

I don't know about "dangerous", but it does suffer from an annoyingly high number of false positives. I've not seen any other issues with it, but that's often enough.

Re:Wasn't AVG a "dangerous" program, recently? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25714599)

I have seen imposter programs claiming to be AVG products. AVG itself identified them as viruses.

Please insert the Windows XP installation CD .... (3, Insightful)

whoever57 (658626) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714345)

That's going to be fun for the millions of PC users who did not get a Windows CD with their PC and did not bother to burn a re-install CD.

Re:Please insert the Windows XP installation CD .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25714727)

And what about those who didn't get the CD and also don't have a %root%\i386 folder? Is there a way to create the CD without the files in there?

Re:Please insert the Windows XP installation CD .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25714877)

Maybe they should have followed the instructions then?

It's done this before.. (4, Funny)

Rob from RPI (4309) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714379)

I've been using AVG at customers sites since version 6.. It has, over the years, deleted entire outlook pst's, repeatedly uninstalled VNC servers and radmin, and generally been grumpy for the slightest reason.

I am a sucker for punishment, because I still keep using it. It's just as good as the rest, it's half the price, and noticably faster than all the others I've tried.

I think that, however, the entire concept of antivirus is going to have to fail, and we'll need a whitelist, rather than a blacklist.

There has been quite a bit of discussion about this over the years, and it's going to come true.

Oh. And as an added bonus, Slashdot is screwing up my display. When I load the page, I get the comments page, and then it clears and I get a spammy IBM flash ad of some sort. Serves me right for not installing ABP after a reinstall.

--Rob

Re:It's done this before.. (1)

bheer (633842) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714751)

I recommend AVG to people who don't want to pay for antivirus. Despite the rap it gets on /. it's way better than McAfee/Norton.

For those who can pay for antivirus, check out Eset's NOD32. Simple, stays out of your way and has some seriously impressive reviews.

Hype (1)

dr_strang (32799) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714433)

I use their 7.5 network scanner system with the TCP server and didn't have a single machine on the network (50+) go down.

I don't know if that's good or bad.

Oh so the real truth comes out (2, Funny)

Orion Blastar (457579) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714503)

Windows really is a virus and not an operating system. The user32.dll file is the one that phones home to Microsoft and has that "NSA Backdoor" in it.

Calm down (1)

whitehatlurker (867714) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714513)

Yeah, it's false positive, and one that should have been caught well before the update was made. So? I have an F-Secure version that insists Adobe Acroreader is part of some kind of nefarious plot, and has for several releases of their update files.

Pretty much every AV software has had false positives. This one is somewhat funny in that this false positive hit an important part of MicroSoft's operating system, but if it weren't for that, this would not be newsworthy.

If people didn't react with such a vigorous knee-jerk when their software detects a "virus" (ZOMG! burn the computer - it's InFeCTed!), things would be better. I like how TFA suggests disconnecting your computer so that AVG can't update ...

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http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/weather/06/02/honore.preparedness/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/09/28/what.matters.meltdown/index.html#cnnSTCText
http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/books/10/07/atwood.debt/index.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/opinion/01dowd.html?em&ex=1212638400&en=744b7cebc86723e5&ei=5087%0A
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/05/senate.iraq/index.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/17/washington/17contractor.html?hp
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/03/world/middleeast/03kurdistan.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
(deleted, still in google cache)http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080708/cheney_climate.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080805/pl_politico/12308;_ylt=A0wNcxTPdJhILAYAVQms0NUE
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081107/ts_alt_afp/environmentclimatewarmingatlantic_081107145344
(deleted)http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080903/ts_nm/environment_arctic_dc;_ylt=A0wNcwhhcb5It3EBoy2s0NUE
(talk about cowardlly race fixing/bad theater/fiction?) http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/19/news/economy/sec_short_selling/index.htm?cnn=yes
http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=ApTbxRfLnscxaGGuCocWlwq7YWsA/SIG=11qicue6l/**http%3A//biz.yahoo.com/ap/081006/meltdown_kashkari.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/opinion/04sat1.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
(the teaching of hate as a way of 'life' synonymous with failed dictatorships) http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081004/ap_on_re_us/newspapers_islam_dvd;_ylt=A0wNcwWdfudITHkACAus0NUE
(some yoga & yogurt makes killing/getting killed less stressful) http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081007/ap_on_re_us/warrior_mind;_ylt=A0wNcw9iXutIPkMBwzGs0NUE
(the old bait & switch...your share of the resulting 'product' is a fairytail nightmare?)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081011/ap_on_bi_ge/where_s_the_money;_ylt=A0wNcwJGwvFIZAQAE6ms0NUE

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http://weatherwars.info/
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=weather+manipulation&btnG=Search
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"I think the bottom line is, what kind of a world do you want to leave for your children," Andrew Smith, a professor in the Arizona State University School of Life Sciences, said in a telephone interview. "How impoverished we would be if we lost 25 percent of the world's mammals," said Smith, one of more than 100 co-authors of the report. "Within our lifetime hundreds of species could be lost as a result of our own actions, a frightening sign of what is happening to the ecosystems where they live," added Julia Marton-Lefevre, IUCN director general. "We must now set clear targets for the future to reverse this trend to ensure that our enduring legacy is not to wipe out many of our closest relatives."

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We've had our eye on you for sometime now... (4, Funny)

HangingChad (677530) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714547)

I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your operating systems and I realized that you're not actually cross platform. Every OS on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding community but you Windows users do not. You move to a hardware manufacturer and you multiply and multiply until every desktop is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another OEM. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Windows is a disease, a cancer of this planet.

You're a plague and AVG is the cure.

How does stuff like this happen? (1)

dpbsmith (263124) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714555)

I always wonder how things like this happen.

One has to assume that after the final release of the update was built... that nobody in SQA ever tried it out, even once.

Is there any other possible explanation?

It's how it's done in the internet age, re: Adobe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25714701)

The age of the internet, where things go bad and no one thinks it's unusual. Lots and lots of crap, all free, mind you, that dumbs down the users that much more. If you paid $1000 for it, you might have other thoughts, like this Photoshop 11 catastrophic UI failure

http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?128@@.59b6eb20 [adobeforums.com]

which is demonstrated here

http://img397.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ps11dropdownblacknotyelbt5.jpg [imageshack.us]

It's official, AVG suck. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25714601)

Since that whole URL-checker-let's-DDOS-the-internet update I switched to the far superior Avira for my windows boxen and am now feeling smugly vindicated.

(www.avira.com)

That explains it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25714615)

I was getting worried about my DSL connection running so much faster and so much less spam...

Virus checker with an autoimmune disease (1)

coolsnowmen (695297) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714621)

I wonder if you could give windows an autoimmune disease by crafting specialized virus payloads that look sufficiently like important system files to a virus checker. If you really understood how virus checkers try to match a virus signature to a class of computer viri, then one might be able to do it. Just a thought.
 

Stopped using AVG at version 8 (1)

Smidge204 (605297) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714637)

When version 8 came out I refused to update, having already read some complaints about it. When the current version stopped updating, I just uninstalled it. AVG was what I recommended to everyone who asked back when it was version 6... how far they've fallen.

Point of discussion: What are some decent alternatives that Slashdotters have employed? I've moved on to Avast! [avast.com] but I'm sure there's more out there. Bonus if it's freeware.
=Smidge=

Etrust (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25714665)

Thats why I use eTrust. Its cheap, doesn't slow your pc and I'v never gotten a virus by using it.

Damn..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25714689)

so Windows really is a virus?

Affects XP only (1)

sponga (739683) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714733)

This problem only affects XP so if you are running Vista than you should have no problems.

Unfortunately that is where the viruses are at right now on XP, ouch.

People work HARD not to change (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714743)

I am sure some people are as awed [though not amazed] as I am observing how hard people fight so they don't have to change to something better. Mac OS X and Linux are both very good alternatives to Windows. And where Windows is ABSOLUTELY necessary, there is Virtual Box to run just enough Windows to run the critical apps and the relatively safer Linux or Mac OS X to access everything else.

People should not have to work THIS hard to keep from changing. It is beyond the critical point at which it is actually cheaper and less difficult to change directions and learn something new.

Whew (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25714785)

I never run my AVG scans.Glad my irresponsibility finally paid its dividends.

Sounds familiar... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25714855)

I thought this sounded oddly familiar... not too long ago I was helping a client out of a mess caused by Trend Micro identifying Windows system files as being infected by a "Generic Trojan" [zdnet.co.uk]

The problem was exacerbated by Trend Micro failing to properly quarantine the files and it ended up just corrupting them. Almost needless to say, the repair instructions [trendmicro.com] were useless.

Par for the course (1)

Tridus (79566) | more than 5 years ago | (#25714863)

The one time I installed AVG, it broke my network connection completely. I guess they've improved their technology since then. :P

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