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Multiple Upcoming Games, Movies Based On Jordan's Wheel of Time

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the dragon:-the-rand-al'thor-story dept.

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Today film studio Red Eagle Entertainment announced plans to establish Red Eagle Games, a studio that will produce games based on Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series. The games will be developed alongside movie adaptations of the series, which Red Eagle announced a few months ago. They'll be working with Universal on the films. "[Red Eagle producer Rick] Selvage said in an interview that the game company will make a series of games that will be co-launched with the movies. In addition, Red Eagle Games will make a massively multiplayer online game based on the Wheel of Time universe." Wheel of Time fan site 'Dragonmount' recently spoke with Selvage about the movie plans.

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But Can They Do It Justice? (5, Interesting)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 5 years ago | (#25739683)

I am surprised as I haven't been following this news since Jordan's death. I will say I am excited as I picked up Eye of the World for a quarter at a used bookstore in high school. I've been a huge fan ever since but have often wondered if there is any possible way a game or movie can do this series justice.

Wheel of Time has such extensive (sometimes laboriously so) plot lines running in tandem and across multiple characters that may not cross for thousands of pages. Can this be set in film successfully? The introspection of the characters when you're seeing things from their points of view ... the political games ... the extensive dream sequences ... keeping the dream world and waygates straight ... so much they could get wrong!

In truth, I wondered the same of George R. R. Martin's Song of Fire & Ice series recently licensed by HBO [variety.com] . I guess we'll see if they can do that series justice as well.

As for the games, I was a bit disappointed with the 1999 version [gamespot.com] which was basically a Hexen engine playing as an Aes Sedai in one of the Ajahs. A visually pleasing game, though. I certainly hope they do better with The Wheel of Time MMOs & don't dish me another buggy clone like Lord of the Rings or Warhammer.

Red Eagle & Universal, please don't screw this up! Disclaimer: I am a Perrin fan.

Re:But Can They Do It Justice? (4, Informative)

sqlrob (173498) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740033)

I remember reading a review of the demo, apparently of someone who hadn't read the books. "Pretty fog effects. Why am I taking damage?" This was in Shadar Logoth. When I played, the reaction was slightly different - "Fog? RUN!!!!".

This game was why I got a 3D accelerator, but it was delayed many, many times. Fun, I finished it, but nothing memorable.

Re:But Can They Do It Justice? (4, Insightful)

Verteiron (224042) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740125)

The single-player mode of the old WoT game was well-scripted and made good use of effects, but was not otherwise particularly memorable (except for Shadar Logoth, which was creepy as hell and scared me multiple times). The MULTI-player, though... incredible. There was an insane amount of depth to it, because everything (except balefire of course) had a counter. The "TING" sound of a Seeker or Decay locking on to me still makes me twitch. When you'd hear it, you'd start running like mad, trying to find the right shield to absorb it, or better yet, reflect it back at the caster, and all the while it was chasing you, moving faster and faster... then you found someone dropped a Legion right on top of the Unravel. GAH!

Good times.

Re:But Can They Do It Justice? (1)

SeekerDarksteel (896422) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740137)

What would be interesting is if they actually utilized the idea of the recurrence of ages as a game mechanic. Somehow have events setup that players can declare themselves to be "the dragon", and if they're successful at doing something they turn out to be the real dragon, initiating a global conflict and leading into the next age.

Somehow I doubt they'd do that though. :(

Re:But Can They Do It Justice? (4, Interesting)

Miseph (979059) | more than 5 years ago | (#25741101)

Or, even better, run each Age for one year. Give a certain number of random players the potential to become the Dragon, but don't tell anyone who they are, ESPECIALLY the people who might be. Players who are in at the beginning of the Age have a better chance of being the Dragon, ta'veren (although I suppose it would also make sense if ALL players were ta'veren), or at least having some special plot role (ie. they could end up like Moirraine, finding the Dragon or other key players by virtue of their awesomeness), but players who join in partway through benefit from a world which is less of a clusterfuck in terms of nobody having any clue what the hell is happening and being able to just drop in on whatever side they like and have at the powers that be.

Obviously, certain things would have to be put into the game to ensure a given Age goes off interestingly, like reliable ways for people to find the Dragon (or at least potential Dragons), compelling incentives to form in-game factions to support Dragons and ta'veren, and ways to ensure that the "randomly" selected players are unlikely to simply fall off of the planet's face.

I'd also be a big fan of a full reset at the beginning of each age, perhaps with perks given to previous high-level characters, but nothing that cannot be overcome by a talented newcomer. of course, I also just get sick of the perpetual suck of not being one of the first hundred people to sign on and always getting stomped by people who will always be bigger and badder just because they've been around longer.

Re:But Can They Do It Justice? (3, Insightful)

nschubach (922175) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740159)

I certainly hope they do better with The Wheel of Time MMOs & don't dish me another buggy clone like Lord of the Rings or Warhammer

You can hope all you like, but it's not going to happen. I'm firmly under the belief that all MMOs for the near future will be cookie cutter clones of each other. They will all attempt to drag out the game for as long as possible with needless time sinks, poor stories, even worse level curves, maps made for the quick jaunt in and out, porting all over the land, and prefab classes with prefab progression.

Hate to be a cynic... but it's what I've seen going through 20 (or more) different MMOs looking for one that's different. So far it's been a waste of time and money. I'd be very surprised to see one in the near future that actually tries to break the common mold.

Re:But Can They Do It Justice? (4, Insightful)

butalearner (1235200) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740489)

Honestly, if they try to turn the book's events into a game, it will probably tank, as per usual. RJ was painfully meticulous in his description of events in the book, and developing a game within such strict limitations will not succeed, at least not with the fans who've read the series on multiple occasions.

What they should really do is set a game earlier than what is described in detail in the books, say when one of the false dragons was around. That way there is plenty of conflict, but the game designers have much more leeway on the events and story in the game.

It would be a miracle if they did it justice (4, Funny)

IdahoEv (195056) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740579)

Because "doing it justice" would mean somehow designing a game where the the more you play, the further away end gets!

That would require some impressive new technology, to say the least...

Re:It would be a miracle if they did it justice (3, Informative)

omnipresentbob (858376) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740907)

That would require some impressive new technology, to say the least...

It's not new, there's been several ventures into this arena. See this article [wikipedia.org] for more information.

Realm: Moonrunner Char: Mithrilvar (4, Insightful)

negRo_slim (636783) | more than 5 years ago | (#25739713)

Red Eagle Games will make a massively multiplayer online game based on the Wheel of Time universe.

Because if there's anything the PC gaming market really needs, it's another MMO.

Re:Realm: Moonrunner Char: Mithrilvar (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740081)

Because if there's anything the PC gaming market really needs, it's another MMO.

Because if there's anything the entertainment market really needs, it's finding and raping every good idea which hasn't already been milked and strangled to death. At least we can look forward to a few Twin Peaks sequels!

Re:Realm: Moonrunner Char: Mithrilvar (4, Funny)

PotatoFarmer (1250696) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740341)

On the other hand, can you think of any other book series so perfectly suited to the MMO genre? At least the developers can claim that the endless grinding through repetitive content, thousands of minor characters nobody cares about, and people constantly coming back after being killed is true to the source material.

Re:Realm: Moonrunner Char: Mithrilvar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25740533)

What the PC gaming market needs is a *good* MMO.

Not another WoW clone.

Re:Realm: Moonrunner Char: Mithrilvar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25741087)

Amen. I'm fucking sick of people, developers and gamers alike, who just naturally assume that MMOG = EverQuest/WoW-derivative. There are dozens of unique possibilities for MMORPGs that have not been adequately explored. Don't blame the "MMO" format for lack of creativity.

Look at the bright side... (3, Informative)

raehl (609729) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740581)

At least late-game repetitive time-sinks will be source-material accurate.

Q: Will they run on Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25739723)

A: No.

Loot The Corpse!!! (1)

Kintanon (65528) | more than 5 years ago | (#25739727)

Jordan is barely even cold, the 13th book hasn't been published yet, and everyone is already clambering to get wrist deep into his creative work and exploit it.

FREAKING AWESOME. I will joyously see every movie about the series no matter what kind of steaming pile they are. I'll probably buy most of the games too. Probably not the MMORPG though...

Loot The Copyright!!! (4, Insightful)

Ostracus (1354233) | more than 5 years ago | (#25739837)

"Jordan is barely even cold, the 13th book hasn't been published yet, and everyone is already clambering to get wrist deep into his creative work and exploit it."

Good thing we don't have life plus 70 years so the heirs could defend his "property".

Re:Loot The Copyright!!! (1, Informative)

MaryBethP (1079677) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740545)

Wow, 13th book? And to think I was holding my breath for a 12th...

Re:Loot The Copyright!!! (2, Informative)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740747)

Presumably the parent is including New Spring (the prequel) in his count. I've personally felt for a long time that the series should be 13 books (13 being a rather significant number in the WoT universe) and was disappointed that the last book would be numbered 12 (also wondered how one book could wrap up all the open storylines AND fight Tarmon Gai'don). That said, counting New Spring it's 13 books and as long as the final book (whatever it's number) is good, I'll be satisfied. I'll need to re-read the whole thing ahead of time, though....

Re:Loot The Copyright!!! (1)

Surt (22457) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740597)

Well, his heirs poisoned him precisely so that they could exploit his legacy. As soon as the final book was outlined, there really wasn't any need to keep him alive, he was just a burden on the family's potential income.

Oblig. Princess Bride (2, Funny)

Kemanorel (127835) | more than 5 years ago | (#25739853)

From IMDB [imdb.com] .

Miracle Max: Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that your friend here is only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.
Inigo Montoya: What's that?
Miracle Max: Go through his clothes and look for loose change

Well, so much for hoping he was mostly dead. Didn't take them long to start trying to shake that money tree... Although, I think the movies were in the works for some time before he passed.

Re:Loot The Corpse!!! (3, Insightful)

decipher_saint (72686) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740167)

FREAKING AWESOME. I will joyously see every movie about the series no matter what kind of steaming pile they are. I'll probably buy most of the games too. Probably not the MMORPG though...

That's the kind of thinking that leads to a wisecracking CG animated Jamaican sidekick to a newly midichlorian fuelled Rand al'Thor.

Re:Loot The Corpse!!! (3, Insightful)

jjohnson (62583) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740837)

Oh please. By the fifth book, Jordan was already wrist deep in skullfucking his own creative property by recycling storylines and padding word counts with endless descriptions of wardrobe. They're doing nothing but carrying on a tradition Jordan started himself.

How Many Movies?!?! (2, Interesting)

aplato (1347805) | more than 5 years ago | (#25739809)

I wonder how many movies there are going to be? Hopefully I'm still alive when the last one comes out(if they ever wrap the series).

Re:How Many Movies?!?! (4, Insightful)

butalearner (1235200) | more than 5 years ago | (#25739921)

Considering that books 6-10 describe what happens over a span of about 3 days, there won't need to be nearly so many movies.

Re:How Many Movies?!?! (1)

LandDolphin (1202876) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740255)

Hmm.. 3 days.. Well, that is 72 hours. Can make quite a few movies to cover 72 hours.

There is a lot that goes on in those 3 days, and if the movies are going ot be any good, they need to cover all of the details.

Re:How Many Movies?!?! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25739971)

Hm... The Lord of the Rings turned into three movies (one for each book). So in that case ca. 3 hours movie out of 300 pages of the book.

In comparison the Wheel of Time consists of 12 books (13th coming sometime?) each with roughly 600-1000 pages IIRC.

So if 100pages = 1hour, we'll get (600-1000) * 12 / 100 = 72-120 hours of movies?

Or roughly the Lord of the Rings movies times twelve...

Re:How Many Movies?!?! (1)

LandDolphin (1202876) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740293)

Ohh how I wish 100 pages = 1 hours. Each book being a 6-12 hours movie! at least they would have the time to do it right and not cut it to shreds.

Hell, I'd be happy if every book was at 3 hours movie. I'm afraid they are going ot cut it down to 2 hours a book, or worse, combine multiple books into one movie!

Re:How Many Movies?!?! (2, Insightful)

Architect_sasyr (938685) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740527)

There are 11 books, 12th on the way. Everybody here seems to think there are 13. There are not. There are TWELVE. (This is bugging the hell out of me). The "New Spring" book is a prequel and is not part of the series, it was even written out of order.

Re:How Many Movies?!?! (1)

Surt (22457) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740653)

It is a prequel, and says it is part of the wheel of time series right on the cover. Thus, the series comprises 12 books, soon 13, and I'm sure in the not to distant future, dozens of disastrously bad sequels and prequels by Herbert and Anderson.

Re:How Many Movies?!?! (2)

Phrogman (80473) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740617)

Ah but if they remove all the references to the female character who constantly pulls on her braids we can condense it down into just about 25 hrs of film.

I can't remember her name. But the memory of the author telling us she was fiddling with her hair every 10 sentences has remained forever in my mind as the poster child for how not to assign a recognizable characteristic to a character, then abuse it far too often.

I read the first few books and honestly wanted to like them but they were just so badly written and the characters were so flat and boring that I gave up around book 5. Matt is the only character I can recall liking a lot. Jordan seemed to just be padding them to sell more books and not getting to the meat of the story and he was an awful writer IMHO. That said, I did enjoy what I read much more than I enjoyed the Thomas Covenant books :P

Re:How Many Movies?!?! (4, Insightful)

ronwolf (141966) | more than 5 years ago | (#25739997)

You're kidding right? Most of those later books can be compressed into about 14 paragraphs.

Re:How Many Movies?!?! (1)

Jabbrwokk (1015725) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740729)

True, because the rest of the book was "PREVIOUSLY, ON WHEEL OF TIME!"

I quit reading when the Winter of Whatever came out because I just didn't care anymore. I then got rid of all my books except "Eye of the World," the best in the series. Jordan should have planned and mapped out his series ahead of time, with a definitive end in mind, a la JK Rowling. Instead, his series went down the same road as Dune.

Re:How Many Movies?!?! (1)

The FNP (1177715) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740925)

Actually, the middle books can be compressed. The first two can be compressed some, but a bunch is needed for the reader / viewer to have any idea what the hell is happening. The middle books could take out a bunch of extraneous / descriptive shit and just tell the damn story. And aside from 8, 9 and 10 having a significant chunk of Perrin wandering in the FUCKING Forests!, the later books seem to be as concise as RJ was _able_ to be. Besides whenever the 12th book finally is released, the scriptwriter can remove a big chunk of the loose ends that are inconsequential and forgotten/unresolved.

The Wheel of Time is perfectly suited to movie adaptations, because Robert Jordan could not be prevented from explaining EVERYTHING to the reader. Wardrobe, Set Design, Props, Linguistics, Choreography. All the background elements of a movie are already clearly specified. All a movie crew would have to do is follow the instructions.

And since a large portion of the text is descriptive, careful attention to detail can condense the material, while still being true to the original work.

--The FNP

Re:How Many Movies?!?! (5, Funny)

Random BedHead Ed (602081) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740003)

I wonder how many movies there are going to be? Hopefully I'm still alive when the last one comes out(if they ever wrap the series).

They'll probably start out with a clear story arc and a plan to make six or seven very good films that wow audiences, then just belt out a few extra ones that focus largely on minor characters that viewers don't care about while ignoring the compelling story that got everyone interested in the first place. Universal will then go out of business when there's only one movie left to make, and Paramount will take over and expect us all to believe their conclusion is a valid part of the series.

(If you can't decide whether to mod this funny, mod it insightful or just stomp off and cry into your pile of dead-end hardcovers, you must be a disgruntled Robert Jordan fan.)

Re:How Many Movies?!?! (1)

popeye44 (929152) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740281)

Well as I did have mod points for this I still decided to respond..

You are right in that the story seemed to stop for a while. However on the whole I really enjoyed it. I have read the complete series up to book 9 9 times. I basically read the whole series every time a book came out. But the last time so little was done between cleansing saidin and the marrying of Matt, Perrins story line closing somewhat that I did not read them all again. I am anxiously awaiting Brandon Sanderson's take on the final book. I have found him to be a good author.
Overall it is a compelling story with a lot of flubber in the middle.

I've always thought a serial RPG would fit this environment well. A MMORPG would be awesome if people were kept to strict guidelines as to what they could do. "Think Chaotic evil.. Saving Rand's life so he could be sacrificed to the dark one" Or Darkfriend etc. But this is a world that needs to be very structured so that things that did not happen in the book do not happen in the game. " Fain somehow wins at 3 rivers instead of perrin" However allowing fain to win the other smaller victories "turning The Ways to his side"
Anyways I'm always skeptical of anyone touching this work as it's very difficult to get Jordan's perspective into something you can feel while playing it.

I for one even being male would love to be that bitch Nynavae for a round or two haha but then I'd also dig playing Perrin and Matt both. "Rand seems a bit fucked up in the head really.. hehe"

Obviously a Matt gambling mini-game would be in order and all 3 would have high luck scores with matt's being the only random one.

So much could be done. I'd love to see a combination of Fallout 3's landscape made desert for the Aiel waste and Oblivions grown into the Steddings for forests. I know these are the same engine.. duh..
However someone like me who really likes the story and characters will be disappointed I fear. There is just too much going on to make it short and sweet.

Here's hoping they make it a kickass game with no MMORPG as i refuse to pay a subscription to play a game. I might be tempted if this was a good one. I agree that there are too many WoW wannabe's though.

Re:How Many Movies?!?! (5, Interesting)

filthpickle (1199927) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740409)

Thanks for the laugh.

I made it thru Crown of Swords...but mainly because of being too stubborn to admit to myself that I was getting sick of it. Had to do a cross country road trip several years later and got the audiobook for Winters Heart thinking I would catch up that way...

Somewhere in Kansas in the middle of the night I decided that it was so tedious and boring that I threw it out the window in disgust. I admit that it might have had something to do with driving thru Kansas...you can't do that alone and stay sane.

I think I reached a point where I just DESPISED every female character in that book.

Re:How Many Movies?!?! (2, Insightful)

Nasarius (593729) | more than 5 years ago | (#25741053)

I think I reached a point where I just DESPISED every female character in that book.

That's exactly how I felt. I always got the impression that Jordan was trying to write strong female characters, but didn't have the slightest clue how one would actually behave. Instead of coming across as strong or sympathetic, they were just fucking obnoxious. And all *exactly* the same. Cadsuane (had to look up the name on Wiki) was the last straw.

Oh, and the bizarre sexual fantasy feeling to it: women spanking each other, humiliating men, and happily coexisting in a polygamous relationship.

Re:How Many Movies?!?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25740775)

That's why I stopped reading at book 7 and wish I had stopped after book 3.

Does anyone still even care (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25739883)

Seriously..? I started reading the Wheel of Time many years ago, and while the first book was pretty good, subsequent books became increasingly self indulgent, whiney, and so meandering that the story barely advanced. By about book 5, most of the characters were so un-likeable that I could not longer relate to/empathize with them. This has to be one of the most dissapointing series that I have ever read.

CAPTCH: bleeder, as in "you miserable..."

Re:Does anyone still even care (1)

be951 (772934) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740259)

I'm with you there. Brilliantly conceived world, decent characters (to start out), but then Jordan started telling the same story over and over, and letting the characters blend together.

Although I've rarely laugh so hard from reading something as I did going through some of the Wheel of Time humor/parody sites.

Cast of 1000's Awesome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25739931)

That's about 2 and half movies just in character introductions. Maybe they'll do us a favor and rename some of the closely similar named Aes Sedai.

"Wait is this the important one that hasn't been in the book for 1000 pages? No just some generic filler one. Awesome."

There already is a game... (1)

Idarubicin (579475) | more than 5 years ago | (#25739967)

It struck me as a pretty run-of-the-mill first-person shooter, with a few moderately novel weapons choices.

Link [wikipedia.org] .

Closure (1)

teebes (1001834) | more than 5 years ago | (#25739979)

Hopefully someone will be able to bring some closure to something on some level in that series, would be a good start :)

Re:Closure (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25740057)

Brandon Sanderson is writing the final book. He's the author of such books as ELANTRIS and the MISTBORN TRILOGY.

I think he'll do a fine job.

Re:Closure (3, Informative)

lilomar (1072448) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740623)

Speaking of which... the third (and last) Mistborn book just came out in hardback. If you have never read anything of Sanderson's, do yourself a favor - go out and buy the first one. Make sure you have some cash left over, though, because, if you are anything like me, you will be back in the bookstore the next day, after having stayed up all night to finish, buying the other two (and anything else of his you can get your hands on).

Mistborn is the best low-fantasy I have ever read, and it's close to the top of my best fantasy in general list.

Karma whore time (1)

MadnessASAP (1052274) | more than 5 years ago | (#25739985)

Wheel of Time [wikipedia.org] Mod me +1 bijillion insightful because I posted a wiki link.

But seriously, would it have killed the poster to have added a Wikipedia link to the Wheel of Time article?

Re:Karma whore time (3, Funny)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740195)

Wiki links are only useful when there's a chance that somebody reading the article hasn't heard of the series. I can talk to non-nerds and they still know what the series is, even if they don't know much about it.

I guess what I'm getting at is that you'll have to turn in your nerd card.

You can't finish the game (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25740005)

Unfortunately the game is impossible to finish, because it dynamically generates more and more new mini-games, side quests, and bosses as the player gets closer to the end.

Fully justified (1)

Jacques Chester (151652) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740021)

All they need to do is cross WoW with something that failed, for that perfect combination of incredibly tedious bulkiness and frustrating incompletion!

how? (3, Insightful)

skam240 (789197) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740027)

How on earth are they going to condense down as much material as is in one of those books (let alone the whole series) into a movie without leaving out half the story? The Lord of the Rings books are half the size of Jordan's and each of those movies were over three hours long and still left some good stuff out.

Re:how? (1)

Digital Vomit (891734) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740251)

How on earth are they going to condense down as much material as is in one of those books

It wouldn't be hard with Book Five. Just toss out all the "Harumph! Men!" parts that repeatedly describe Nynaeve's sexism.

Damn, this one is getting a bit tough to slog through. Of course, most men would think that about Book Five..

Gah! Now I'm doing it!

Re:how? (5, Insightful)

xstonedogx (814876) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740405)

Easy.

Jordan goes on and on about setting. Not a problem for film.
Jordan repeats himself over and over regarding character interactions. Easily condensed.
Jordan constantly writes about his characters pulling their braids, smoothing their skirts, etc. They can all do those things at the same time while the story is moving along.
Jordan has described the internal processes of wielding the One Power a million times. In film they'll just replace it with a fancy CGI or call it "metachlorians" (credit a poster above).
Jordan thinks any character ever seen in a book needs a name. They can save about 5 hours just by not naming all their extras.
The last four or so books in the series will probably fit on a single page of the script.
And finally, Jordan didn't finish. There's a good 30 minutes out of the film right there.

Re:how? (2, Funny)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 5 years ago | (#25741135)

Jordan thinks any character ever seen in a book needs a name. They can save about 5 hours just by not naming all their extras.
The last four or so books in the series will probably fit on a single page of the script.
And finally, Jordan didn't finish. There's a good 30 minutes out of the film right there.

Haha. I can see it now. They get all the right people with all the right motivations working on it. They create a movie that is tight, well-paced, dramatic, exciting, all while being faithful to the source material. Both fans of the books and newcomers are loving it, getting more and more into it with every minute. Then, right after a wipe ending a minor scene, BAM! the credits start rolling. Howls of rage rise from the theater as torches (where did those come from?) are lit and pitchforks raised, and there's rioting in the streets.

Re:how? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25740509)

How on earth are they going to condense down as much material as is in one of those books (let alone the whole series) into a movie without leaving out half the story? The Lord of the Rings books are half the size of Jordan's and each of those movies were over three hours long and still left some good stuff out.

Easy, they take out all the pointless plot elements and threads that Jordan started and then forgot about in the next book. Also, there is a ton of inner monologue, almost all of which is women thinking about how all men are retards, or how smart women are and how men should have their ears boxed once a day on general principles (that last is nearly word-for-word). There are better ways to tell a story in movie format than with inner monologues, so that right there cuts out hours and hours.

Still, I don't think WoT movies will bear more than a passing resemblance to the books. They need to change too many of the characters' personalities or risk having a one-dimensional film. Jordan was utterly incapable of crafting a strong female character without making her into a vicious, hateful harpy, and I don't think they are going to risk making movies without a balance of character personalities. Unless the whole point of the story is fending of legions of bitchy women (which, okay, the argument could be made that that's what WoT is about), you need different types of characters.

Easy! (1)

raehl (609729) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740517)

If they just introduce each character once, that'll compress out 70% of the material right there.

Re:how? (1)

renoX (11677) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740817)

That much material???
Each book could probably be reduced to a quarter of its size if the author had used a 'normal' writing style.

Re:how? (1)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740855)

A massive portion of the books is in descriptions of places, people, and events - stuff like that is incredibly wordy and uses up a lot of pages, but is where the old "picture is worth a thousand words" line is most true. Take Egwene and Perrin meeting up with the Tinkers and traveling with them in The Eye of the World; there's a lot of book there, but it could be adequately described in well under 5 minutes of film. This is also true of the dream sequences, fight scenes, and so forth.

Dialog is the opposite, consuming tons of movie time with what would need only a single page of text. I think they could trim out a lot of the talking while maintaining the sense of wonder and excitement of the books, but on the other hand I've read them enough that the characters are well-developed for me. Somebody new to the series might find the characters to not get much background and development in my vision of the movie(s).

Re:how? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25741013)

How on earth are they going to condense down as much material as is in one of those books (let alone the whole series) into a movie without leaving out half the story? The Lord of the Rings books are half the size of Jordan's and each of those movies were over three hours long and still left some good stuff out.

Easy. Simply remove the description "Steely, Icy Glare" from every mention of one of the female characters & you'll drop at least 500 pages.
Eliminate the constant re-explanations of how magic works and you can cut out at least 2 more novels worth, maybe even more.

Don't get me wrong, I really like the series (well, we'll see what happens once it's 'finished') but I've always had an itch to go through & condense those books myself. I estimate I could easily remove 4 full novels from the series simply by removing all of the redundant explanations and recaps of previous events.

As for making a movie out of it, that could get interesting. The LoTR series was very long because Tolkien was an expert of making words count- if he had written in the same manner as Jordan did his 7-book series would be at least 21 novels instead of 4.
(And before anyone gets snippy, the Hobbit was one book, the Trilogy was actually 6 books published as 3 novels)

In the lines of a MMO, I think this is where the novel would really shine through, assuming a decent studio gets the rights to it. There is plenty of plot, huge amounts of backstory, and even when they finish up everything that happens in the novels they can still go back and fill in everything that happened in the history.
It will hopefully even cross over into a sci-fi/fantasy combination MMO which will be a nice change from the pure fantasy games out there now.

The beauty of death (1)

tyrantking31 (1115607) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740037)

Good for the Robert Jordan fans. I'm personally waiting out Bill Waterson to get me some officially licensed Calvin peeing on stuff merchandise.

Red Eagle's Reliability.. (2, Insightful)

srothroc (733160) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740043)

Isn't Red Eagle the company that was producing the Wheel of Time comic but ended up stopping because of financial reasons? I'd hesistate to invest money in playing a MMO funded by them unless I knew it was going to be around for a while.

LENGTH (1)

tiedyejeremy (559815) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740053)

I'm so glad I enjoyed these books in Audio format. No telling how I would have ever pronounced all those words... But considering the shear number of hours (must exceed 300 hours), I don't know how a movie can do it.

developer needed for WOT MMO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25740091)

I heard some former dude named "British" was available to work on another MMO..:)

A series for the ages... (1)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740111)

I loved the books when the series started. At the time they were the best I'd ever read. And then...

Book after book after book seemed to be an excuse to drag out the story line. What appeared to be solid progress towards a story climax in book N, was largely undone or obviated in book N+1.

Jordan could have made a several-book series that would be nearly as popular with fantasy buffs as Tolkein's stuff. But he blew it, and left me (and I'm sure many others) feeling like we'd been milked.

So now I'm soured on the story line, and that's a real shame. Screw it.

Re:A series for the ages... (2, Interesting)

LandDolphin (1202876) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740383)

I personally feel that he made a wonderfully detailed world that had more going on in it then every character focused on one single point. I'd rather have one really good series then several smaller series with much less defined worlds.

Re:A series for the ages... (3, Interesting)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740917)

My feelings exactly. Take the world that WoT is most often compared to, LotR. There are certainly lots of parallels - Middle Earth is huge, there are lots of different nations with their own history, traditions, culture, and appearance, and the author crafted each with an incredible attention to detail. However, reading through the books (never mind watching the movies) in LotR doesn't give NEARLY as much a feel of the setting as WoT does. In WoT I can imagine the parts of the cities, the look of the farms, and the speech of the people - even for specific settings that were never visited. Without reading a lot of the LotR background, I've found this not nearly as easy to do. It's just not as immersive.

There's a lot more to this comparison, but I think I'll stop here.

Re:A series for the ages... (2, Insightful)

fatboyslack (634391) | more than 5 years ago | (#25741163)

Yes but LotR added a lot of that story in notes, appendices and additional books that weren't part of the main story.

I read all 11 books ... and I'll probably read the 12th but since I read the 11th I've read all of GRR Martin's 'A song of fire and ice' series which completely blows away any other fantasy series I've read before or since and WoT really suffers in comparison.

WHY? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25740205)

Why?
Why make movies out of a brilliant bookseries?
Why base games on it?

We have the books (well, except the last one) and anyone who wants can read 'em. What is the motivation to branch out to other mediums? Well, except fans and their money (not necessarily in that order).

Besides few book-to-movie have managed to create something true to the books. They have to cut details, change small (or major) storyelements, to simply fit it into the length of a movie. Nice try with one of the longest series I have read. Also, when you read a book each person get a unique image of what the surroundings, characters etc look like. In a movie you get a few peoples vision of how it should look.

A game _could_ be good thing, if they only use the setting and NOT base it on the events in the book. Just look at Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights and similar games. Set in Dungeons and Dragons' Forgotten Realms, use a few references to characters already established, but focus on a story made by the game developers. Not ripped out of some book and rewritten to fit a game.

Re:WHY? (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 5 years ago | (#25741067)

Besides few book-to-movie have managed to create something true to the books.

Well I don't know how faithful Lord of the Rings was. What I do know is took unreadable tripe (to me) and made it into an entertaining trilogy.

If they can do the same with WoT for non-fans, then that sounds like a good move to me.

Where did they found this ter'angreal? (1)

prolene (1016716) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740215)

I gather it was past the darkness, mist and powerful keepers. I am not mixing up this with Thief. Both have an unreal connection. Oh wait unreal was also a game engine. Maybe now i am getting somewhere. Maybe i will get my hands on a copy when its out for taking!!!

Thems my rightful property! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25740257)

I have an innate mistrust of someone who refers to story ideas as "properties". The responses sound more like they're coming from a Wall Street trader than a film producer.

What I hope... (1)

BigGar' (411008) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740407)

...is that they can edit the first story into a good movie and not feel the need to make grand changes to the story line. While I understand there will be some need to compress some things and to leave quite a bit out (what I mean by editing) making grand changes to basic tenets of the world that was created will just make a crappy movie, and ruin any chance they have at making more money off the franchise and kill any enjoyment the fans may get out of seeing this tale told through another medium.

If they can pull it off they can make a lot of money and create something that will be enjoyed for years. If not, well, we all know how those turn out.

As long as they don't "Dragon of the Lance" it (2, Insightful)

Allah (253495) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740525)

As long as they don't "animize" it like they did the new Dragon of the Lance animation movie. BLECH!

Song of Ice and Fire (1)

lymond01 (314120) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740637)

George RR Martin's Song of Ice and Fire series has just been given the "production order" [livejournal.com] by HBO which had optioned it awhile back. It's just for a pilot but if it does well, they may do a season a book, which would be great for such a huge series.

If you've read Wheel of Time, you should try Song of Ice and Fire. Different writing style, more developed and interesting characters. (I'm biased...I barely got through the first WoT book, but loved the SoIaF series).

Re:Song of Ice and Fire (2, Interesting)

filthpickle (1199927) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740815)

If you've read Wheel of Time, you should try Song of Ice and Fire.

couldn't agree more. If you've read WoT in total or part (esp in part) and not SoIaF you should really pick it up.

my favorite thing about that series is how he leaves all the pieces in play...you can't just assume that someone won't die because they are a main char.

WoT is amazing (1)

malkir (1031750) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740713)

My favorite series, it took up years of my life waiting and waiting for each book.. but it just felt dragged on after a while. Book 10-12 didn't catch my attention half as much as the first few did. Jordan realized that he had 'golden keystrokes' and just padded the series.. hope this idea turns out better than the computer game.

Robert Jordan's last words on Red Eagle (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25740813)

In one of his final weblog entries before his death [dragonmount.com] , Robert Jordan wrote:

I hear things now and then floating out in the air. For instance, I hear that word was floating about ComicsCon in San Diego that I am displeased with Red Eagle. Too true. Too very true. In a few more months that last contract they have with anyone on God's green earth that so much as mentions my name will come to an end and we can see what happens after that. You see, among other things they forgot an old dictum of LBJ back when he was just a Congressman from Texas, when he famously, or infamously, said "Don't spit in the soup. boys. We all have to eat." Worse, Red Eagle though they could tell me they spit in the soup, or pee in it, if they wanted to and there wasn't anything I could do to stop them. You can't apologize your way out of that with me, not that they tried. There isn't enough money in the world to buy your way out of it with me. Not that they tried that either. So they get no further help from me. Once they are completely out of the picture, we'll see what happens.

The only reason Red Eagle are still in the picture is because they managed to sell an option they had right before it expired. One misstep though, and they'll be belly up. I am waiting with great anticipation for that day.

Am I more worried about this or Brandon Sanderson? (1)

ampsonic (788883) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740821)

I'm currently in the process of rereading the entire wheel of time series. (Even better the 2nd time through!) Once I heard that Brandon Sanderson would finish the last Wheel of Time book, I went and picked up his Mistborn series. First book was quite good, but the 2nd fell apart. The characters lack real depth. It worries me that the last book is in his hands, but it could turn out alright. However, there is probably no chance that any movie could do this series justice. Oh well.

Re:Am I more worried about this or Brandon Sanders (1)

Vrallis (33290) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740957)

I went and picked up his Mistborn series. First book was quite good, but the 2nd fell apart. The characters lack real depth. It worries me that the last book is in his hands, but it could turn out alright. However, there is probably no chance that any movie could do this series justice. Oh well.

I also felt the second Mistborn seemed to show his inexperience as a writer a bit, but the third book was good and wrapped up the story nicely (although in a bit of an unexpected manner).

I have good hopes for him finishing up Wheel of Time.

Re:Am I more worried about this or Brandon Sanders (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 5 years ago | (#25741129)

As am I, although I can't say its my 2nd or 3rd time. I can't say how many times I've done this, its just been THAT MANY.

Although this will be the last for a long time I reckon. As for the 12th book, Robert Jordan wrote quite a bit and left a detailed outline. I'm confident anyone but an untalented hack could finish the book at an acceptable level.

Please.... (1)

Vrallis (33290) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740913)

Please, please, please...don't let this turn into another abomination like "Legend of the Seeker." The Sword of Truth series is among my favorite, but the "TV adaptation" has butchered them so badly.

Every single plot device used for the climax of the first book has been thrown out the window in the first two episodes. They have basically stripped the entire story and every character down to just their names and written something from scratch for TV.

On second thought, let's forget. (1)

xigxag (167441) | more than 5 years ago | (#25740931)

Others have already mentioned George R.R. Martin's series being developed but let's not forget that Terry Goodkind's Sword of Truth series is already on broadcast television as Legend of the Seeker [legendoftheseeker.com] , which takes place in a fantasy land that bears a strong resemblance to New Zealand.

This is being done by the Herc/Xena guys, btw, so if you tune in expect top quality. ;)

paint is more interresting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25740947)

it was a boringly dull & unimaginative series of books; i expect the other media will be even worse. thought it had potential the first few book; realised it was a wast of my time around book 7 or 8
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