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Microsoft's Office Web Will Do iPhone, Linux, Mac

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the do-is-a-flexible-verb dept.

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CWmike writes "Gregg Keizer reports Microsoft has clarified that its upcoming Office Web service will be available to users running Mac OS X and Linux, as well as from Apple's iPhone. The key to this cross platform-friendliness: Office Web will run in Firefox and Safari browsers, in addition to IE. Introduced last month, Office Web is a lightweight version of its Office suite that runs as an online service. I think it's time for Google to embrace to take on Microsoft head-on, as CW blogger Preston Gralla has argued for and described how to go about it."

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Office Web is a 'lightweight' version of Office (-1, Flamebait)

bugeaterr (836984) | more than 5 years ago | (#25752817)

Kinda like a deep-fried stick of butter is a "lightweight" version of two deep-fried sticks of butter.

Not what, but who. (-1, Troll)

Erris (531066) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753009)

The question really is, who wants to run M$ Office on their iPhone? They need an online version to stem losses to Google Docs at Universities, but who's really going to take the bait? Knowing M$, this is going to depend on some special kind of download, Silverblight and not work very well, so it's still going to be easier to use Google Docs and Open Office. Thanks to ODF, these two things already work together. M$ Office is the odd man out.

Silverblight and Mono. (-1, Troll)

twitter (104583) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753125)

Good thing it's going to run like crap. The last thing the world needs is newbies demanding Silverblight and Mono, so that Steve Ballmer can point to it and say, "See, the dirty hippies really do need us and my patent claims on the kernel are valid. Pay your license fee now." M$'s monopoly trash might reinforce itself if they implemented it with reasonable standards. Their insistence on booby trapped code will always pull performance down. iPhone and GNU/Linux are not going to help M$ maintain their 25 year old file format lockin and "cash cow".

Re:Silverblight and Mono. (3, Informative)

dedazo (737510) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753379)

Do you figure there's a single moderator on Slashdot that doesn't know about your fourteen accounts [] and what you do with them?

Three [] different ones used in this article inside of 10 minutes.

And riddle me this, why do you reply to yourself as you did here instead of just making your point in a single post? I'm actually curious.

Re:Silverblight and Mono. (0, Offtopic)

KasperMeerts (1305097) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753579)

You know, everyone getting all wound up when Twitter responds to himself is really getting old. Just leave it, everybody either knows or doesn't care.
And for whatever the way he posts may be, he sometimes makes a really good point.

Re:Silverblight and Mono. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25753605)

Indeed, the twitter-hunting jackasses are far more annoying than twitter himself - who, at least, occasionally makes a good point.

Re:Silverblight and Mono. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25754053)

It's the new meme. Relax and enjoy it. twitter says [] he's here to "amuse", so be amused then.

Re:Silverblight and Mono. (3, Funny)

Facetious (710885) | more than 5 years ago | (#25754345)

It's obvious the poor guy suffers from Dissociative Identity Disorder, you insensitive clod!

Re:Silverblight and Mono. (-1, Troll)

Vexorian (959249) | more than 5 years ago | (#25754423)

OH no! Accounts agree on slashdot! Could you please stop with your twitter conspiracy theories? It is certainly a shame a moron with mod points was dumb enough to mod you up. But that still makes your posts are way too annoying, we are getting fed up of your annoying twitter obsession, your spam is much worse than twitter's, thanks.

Re:Silverblight and Mono. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25754441)

He's admitted to agreeing to himself regularly, actually.

Re:Silverblight and Mono. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25754601)

Kids who think they're making a difference in how people perceive things. As if, somehow, all the anti-Microsoft rhetoric is going to sway our opinion (whatever it may be).

Re:Silverblight and Mono. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25753963)

Nice shill twitter

Re:Not what, but who. (4, Informative)

renegadesx (977007) | more than 5 years ago | (#25754109)

Yes I know this is a twitter shill but I just want to make some points

I for one have found Silverlight (actually Moonlight) to run better on my Linux/Firefox PC than Flash IMO. At least you can build it from source and make it run 64-bit natively

Riddle me this twitter, when is Adobe going to make a 64-bit Linux flash?... or when will Adobe help out the Gnash project?

Anyways Silverlight is more of a moot point, if they want it running on the iPhone and Safari you are just going to have to write good AJAX and Microsoft knows this.

In web services Microsoft knows it cant afford to lock out people that uses its competitions platforms as IE doesn't really have a stranglehold on the market anymore, I am not talking about Linux as much as I am talking about the iPhone, Firefox and other markets that they could open their products to that have web browsers like the Wii and PS3.

Despite it may be likely they have some sort of evil intentions but the most likely scenario is they have a revenue model around this and want as many customers as possible. When you have a product you want people to use and/or purchase it.

I myself may never use it (Google Docs/OpenOffice works great for me) but I am glad its there, it shows that Microsoft is acknowleging there is compeition which is a major step forward than where they were a decade ago.

Re:Office Web is a 'lightweight' version of Office (1)

RustinHWright (1304191) | more than 5 years ago | (#25754669)

If I had mod points right now I would mod this funny.

As it is, I'm saving it as a quote. Go, bugeaterr.

The real key is AJAX (2, Insightful)

77Punker (673758) | more than 5 years ago | (#25752853)

So the real key to this is using AJAX like everyone else (Google, Yahoo, Slashdot, my employer's internal web apps, my grandmother) instead of some proprietary ActiveX bullshit.

Way to go, Microsoft!

Re:The real key is AJAX (1)

Brian Gordon (987471) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753133)

Yes, the key is AJAX. And the last time I checked you can't run C++ code in a browser, so openoffice is completely irrelevant. Unless you want to copy and paste the source code and resources into some kind of javascript C++-interpreter-and-JVM monster. Anyway, OpenOffice is so bloated already that it's snail slow and uses obscene amounts of memory.. even a rewritten javascript version of it would be horrifying.

Re:The real key is AJAX (1)

77Punker (673758) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753361)

Yeah, I really don't understand why people complain about MS Office when Open Office runs like a turd MS Office does not.

Microsoft certainly has one good product; Office is great as long as you ignore Access.

Re:The real key is AJAX (4, Insightful)

east coast (590680) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753495)

The key to Access is keeping what it is in perspective. Too many dopes out there are trying to turn Access into a catch-all solution and it wasn't developed that way. While it is crawling in that direction it's going to be a number of years before it ever bears any real fruit as something more than a low-end fast and dirty database appliance.

There's a reason that it's only part of the MS Office suite and not the MS Office suite in and of itself.

Re:The real key is AJAX (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753665)

Speaking as someone who has had to implement a 'real' RDBMS and system to interface with from an access 'database' that one of the PHB's threw together and had been used for awhile...I vote that Access be banned from the desktop!! Too often these consist of only one or two large tables, etc. Trying to get the data out of these things with mixed case fields, and free form text fields with lots of nice embedded returns quotes and commas can prove to be a nightmare. Good thing they say me a lot!

Re:The real key is AJAX (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753781)

Oops that was pay me a lot, not say me a lot.

Damned T9 software...

Re:The real key is AJAX (2, Insightful)

Your Pal Dave (33229) | more than 5 years ago | (#25754463)

While it's pretty easy to make a horrid database in Access, bear in mind that if there were no Access those same 'Power Users' would be making their 'databases' in Excel instead. This is at least an order of magnitude worse as far as extracting useful data goes. Been there, done that, got the gray hair to prove it.

Re:That sounds a little snobby... (5, Insightful)

colinnwn (677715) | more than 5 years ago | (#25754557)

If a PHB implemented a mission critical app in Access poorly, I understand your wrath.

But frequently a project or analysis needs more capabilities than Excel provides, and the project isn't yet seen as business critical, and the timeliness or expense of getting IT on it is prohibitive. Access shines in these instances where a non-IT person can do some rather sophisticated data acquisition and analysis.

If years later you get called in to detangle an Access database that through feature-and-scope-creep has turned into an important business tool that needs a higher level of reliability, take it as a triumph of the common man and modern software, and as your responsibility and privilege to elevate this application to the next level.

Re:The real key is AJAX (1)

dedazo (737510) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753717)

If I had a dollar for every time I've walked into a meeting with a prospective client and heard the phrase "well, the application runs on Access now..." I'd buy me a Ferrari and hire a full-time clown.

But yes, you're right, people tend to abuse the tools they have at hand.

Re:The real key is AJAX (1)

peragrin (659227) | more than 5 years ago | (#25754489)

Isn't that the same thing?

Re:The real key is AJAX (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 5 years ago | (#25754091)

Don't bother trying to defend MSAccess around here. While i agree with you totally that it has its place, and does well there, people are too thick headed to appreciate the truth.

Re:The real key is AJAX (1)

stewbacca (1033764) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753543)

Microsoft has a "good" product in Office only in the sense that "good" is a relative term. If there were something else/anything else worth 1kb of space on my hard drive, then maybe Office wouldn't be so "good".

Re:The real key is AJAX (2, Informative)

DigDuality (918867) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753743)

There are things you can do to increase OO.o 2.0's performance. 3.0 runs like a champ. and for those that say OO.o doesn't run in a browser..I present to you: []

Re:The real key is AJAX (1)

FishWithAHammer (957772) | more than 5 years ago | (#25754453)

OpenOffice 3.0 has one feature I like: PDF import.

It sucks very, very hard compared to Office 2003 for quite literally everything else I have tried to use it for.

Re:The real key is AJAX (2, Insightful)

Tatsh (893946) | more than 5 years ago | (#25754937)

I don't see how that is really useful. Shouldn't you already have the original text version of such a document? PDF was never made for 'importing' and editing.

Re:The real key is AJAX (1)

dwiget001 (1073738) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753953)

You obviously have not used Open Office.

Thank you for playing.

Re:The real key is AJAX (1, Flamebait)

jamstar7 (694492) | more than 5 years ago | (#25754837)

Yeah, I really don't understand why people complain about MS Office when Open Office runs like a turd MS Office does not.

Back in the Stone Age, when Win98 was coming out, M$ decided to sell developer's licenses for $20K per. What you got for that 20K was info on two, count 'em, two system calls, one of which was for the keyboard interrupt, and an admonishment from M$ to not write your apps to the hardware anymore, write them to the OS. Of course, M$ had their inhouse people write to the iron, the undocumented hooks to the OS, and everywhere they could to save some clock cycles. End result, M$ software ran faster, was lighter, etc. At that time, Office used the renderer from Windows Explorer (as did IE, and just about everything else M$ put out with a house brand on it), while Word Perfect had to include its own renderer, print drivers, ad nauseum. If you wanted performance, you hauled out the Ralf Brown interrupt list, and coded some assembly to handle the interrupts directly to the OS & drivers.

Office still writes to undocumented system calls & interrupts, while 3rd party apps don't. And you wonder why OO is a 'turd' while Office isn't?

Re:The real key is AJAX (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25753691)

It would just be a case of implimenting X11 server protocol or a reasonable subset of it in Java or Javascript, then you could run any X11 compliant app in a browser that can jupport it.

Re:The real key is AJAX (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25753219)

So the real key to this is using AJAX like everyone else (Google, Yahoo, Slashdot, my employer's internal web apps, my grandmother) instead of some proprietary ActiveX bullshit.

Way to go, Microsoft!

The first component to allow client-side scripts to issue HTTP requests (XMLHTTP) was originally written by the Outlook Web Access team. It soon became a part of Internet Explorer 5.0. Renamed XmlHttpRequest and standardized by the World Wide Web Consortium,[1] it has since become one of the cornerstones of the Ajax technology used to build advanced web applications.

Re:The real key is AJAX (2, Interesting)

jmyers (208878) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753253)

My guess is it will be mostly Silverlight with some light ajax to make it functional where SL is not available. MS will have a major hook in it one way or another.

Re:The real key is AJAX (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25753441)

Microsoft Office Web involves SILVERLIGHT [] . SilverLight is patent encumbered and Novell could only make their MoonLight equivalent with deals in Microsoft.

This is not AJAX other than treating JavaScript as a bootstrap loader for SilverLight's .Net VM. It only works in Firefox and Safari in the same way that Flash or Java Applets do.

Re:The real key is AJAX (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25753733)

Why guess if you can read TFA?

Office Web will use Microsoft's Silverlight rich Internet plug-in for added functionality such as extra zooming or prettified fonts, though users aren't required to use it, he said.

Re:The real key is AJAX (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25754117)

Other sites say otherwise. Odds are it depends on SilverLight as it's the Microsoft platform for web apps, and speaking as a web developer who's familiar with the limits of HTML5 you could not do half the stuff you need in an Office Suite even in HTML5.

Re:The real key is AJAX (1)

Legion_SB (1300215) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753817)

Your grandmother doesn't run AJAX. Requests I send her never get responded to!

LOL (1, Funny)

ral8158 (947954) | more than 5 years ago | (#25752869)

That's a funny joke.
Oh Microsoft. You're so funny.
Compatability with non-Vista, non-Internet Explorer user experiences?
Oh jeeze. This ought to be interesting.

Re:LOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25752945)

"Microsoft's Office Web Will Do iPhone, Linux, Mac"

Is this the sequel to "Debbie Does Dallas"?

Re:LOL (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25754795)

Yes, because Office is looking to fuck iPhone, Linux, and Mac users.

make light weight software all the time! (2, Insightful)

madcat2c (1292296) | more than 5 years ago | (#25752905)

If Microsoft would just make light weight, fast, effective, good software to begin with, none of this would even be a problem for them.

Re:make light weight software all the time! (2, Interesting)

Corpuscavernosa (996139) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753367)

Honestly, we probably would because what else would we do? Occasionally we bitch about Google, Apple, and even, once in awhile LINUX (gasp!). If we didn't bitch about stuff, I don't know that I'd visit /. all that often...

Re:make light weight software all the time! (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753755)

Name a useful, good, and professional-document-producing office suite that is light weight, fast, and effective. is *not* all that. In my experience, it is slower.

Re:make light weight software all the time! (1)

Cajun Hell (725246) | more than 5 years ago | (#25754275)


Re:make light weight software all the time! (0, Troll)

FishWithAHammer (957772) | more than 5 years ago | (#25754477)

He said "professional," not "freetard."

Re:make light weight software all the time! (1)

Inner_Child (946194) | more than 5 years ago | (#25754809)

Alright then, LaTeX.

Re:make light weight software all the time! (2, Funny)

blueZ3 (744446) | more than 5 years ago | (#25754825)

OK then, emacs...

Wait, never mind. He said "light weight"

Re:make light weight software all the time! (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#25754075)

Honestly, MS Office is faster than OOo, effective and good.

The problem with MS Office is proprietary formats.

Here's what'll happen (1, Funny)

V!NCENT (1105021) | more than 5 years ago | (#25752951)

At first they create something that is accesible by everyone. Then, when everyone is locked in product, they will do the same thing with Hotmail: sniff web agents and deny acces to everyone running Linux. When this happens, people will start to use fake user agents. After their "switch to Windows" attempt has failed, Microshit will 'evolve' MS Office for Web(TM) with releasing a newer version with 'extended capabilities' that requires the latest IE rendering crap on order to properly view the 'web app'. Then everyone will start installing the latest IE with Wine. When that happens they will release OOXML2(R)(TM)(c) which is a proprietary web format that only works with the latest IE, but hey, if you want an open standard, then why don't you save your documents in OOXML1?/sarcasm.

Re:Here's what'll happen (1)

jmyers (208878) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753087)

If you RTFA this is more of a rumor than fact, someone in a blog post says it will support os other than windows. They say Silverlight is not required but will make it run better. I suspect they will treat non-IE clients as "downlevel" browsers. It will probably be very slick in IE and very dull in other browsers. It will keep IE users from switching to FF because "office sucks in FF".

Re:Here's what'll happen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25753709)

INCORRECT, it depends on Silverlight. Quote: "Microsoft clarified in an email that these apps will use HTML and AJAX, but also Silverlight components." --Source []

discrimination is built in already (1)

Odder (1288958) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753197)

You know this is somehow going to depend on mono and silverlight, M$'s patent encumbered and second rate come ons. M$ never lets anyone do as well as themselves with "their" tech.

Guide To The Barack Obongo Presidency (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25753027)

Congratulations on your purchase of a brand new nigger! If handled properly, your apeman will give years of valuable, if reluctant, service.

You should install your nigger differently according to whether you have purchased the field or house model. Field niggers work best in a serial configuration, i.e. chained together. Chain your nigger to another nigger immediately after unpacking it, and don't even think about taking that chain off, ever. Many niggers start singing as soon as you put a chain on them. This habit can usually be thrashed out of them if nipped in the bud. House niggers work best as standalone units, but should be hobbled or hamstrung to prevent attempts at escape. At this stage, your nigger can also be given a name. Most owners use the same names over and over, since niggers become confused by too much data. Rufus, Rastus, Remus, Toby, Carslisle, Carlton, Hey-You!-Yes-you!, Yeller, Blackstar, and Sambo are all effective names for your new buck nigger. If your nigger is a ho, it should be called Latrelle, L'Tanya, or Jemima. Some owners call their nigger hoes Latrine for a joke. Pearl, Blossom, and Ivory are also righteous names for nigger hoes. These names go straight over your nigger's head, by the way.

Owing to a design error, your nigger comes equipped with a tongue and vocal chords. Most niggers can master only a few basic human phrases with this apparatus - "muh dick" being the most popular. However, others make barking, yelping, yapping noises and appear to be in some pain, so you should probably call a vet and have him remove your nigger's tongue. Once de-tongued your nigger will be a lot happier - at least, you won't hear it complaining anywhere near as much. Niggers have nothing interesting to say, anyway. Many owners also castrate their niggers for health reasons (yours, mine, and that of women, not the nigger's). This is strongly recommended, and frankly, it's a mystery why this is not done on the boat

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Your Nigger likes fried chicken, corn bread, and watermelon. You should therefore give it none of these things because its lazy ass almost certainly doesn't deserve it. Instead, feed it on porridge with salt, and creek water. Your nigger will supplement its diet with whatever it finds in the fields, other niggers, etc. Experienced nigger owners sometimes push watermelon slices through the bars of the nigger cage at the end of the day as a treat, but only if all niggers have worked well and nothing has been stolen that day. Mike of the Old Ranch Plantation reports that this last one is a killer, since all niggers steal something almost every single day of their lives. He reports he doesn't have to spend much on free watermelon for his niggers as a result. You should never allow your nigger meal breaks while at work, since if it stops work for more than ten minutes it will need to be retrained. You would be surprised how long it takes to teach a nigger to pick cotton. You really would. Coffee beans? Don't ask. You have no idea.

Niggers are very, very averse to work of any kind. The nigger's most prominent anatomical feature, after all, its oversized buttocks, which have evolved to make it more comfortable for your nigger to sit around all day doing nothing for its entire life. Niggers are often good runners, too, to enable them to sprint quickly in the opposite direction if they see work heading their way. The solution to this is to *dupe* your nigger into working. After installation, encourage it towards the cotton field with blows of a wooden club, fence post, baseball bat, etc., and then tell it that all that cotton belongs to a white man, who won't be back until tomorrow. Your nigger will then frantically compete with the other field niggers to steal as much of that cotton as it can before the white man returns. At the end of the day, return your nigger to its cage and laugh at its stupidity, then repeat the same trick every day indefinitely. Your nigger comes equipped with the standard nigger IQ of 75 and a memory to match, so it will forget this trick overnight. Niggers can start work at around 5am. You should then return to bed and come back at around 10am. Your niggers can then work through until around 10pm or whenever the light fades.

Your nigger enjoys play, like most animals, so you should play with it regularly. A happy smiling nigger works best. Games niggers enjoy include: 1) A good thrashing: every few days, take your nigger's pants down, hang it up by its heels, and have some of your other niggers thrash it with a club or whip. Your nigger will signal its intense enjoyment by shrieking and sobbing. 2) Lynch the nigger: niggers are cheap and there are millions more where yours came from. So every now and then, push the boat out a bit and lynch a nigger.

Lynchings are best done with a rope over the branch of a tree, and niggers just love to be lynched. It makes them feel special. Make your other niggers watch. They'll be so grateful, they'll work harder for a day or two (and then you can lynch another one). 3) Nigger dragging: Tie your nigger by one wrist to the tow bar on the back of suitable vehicle, then drive away at approximately 50mph. Your nigger's shrieks of enjoyment will be heard for miles. It will shriek until it falls apart. To prolong the fun for the nigger, do *NOT* drag him by his feet, as his head comes off too soon. This is painless for the nigger, but spoils the fun. Always wear a seatbelt and never exceed the speed limit. 4) Playing on the PNL: a variation on (2), except you can lynch your nigger out in the fields, thus saving work time. Niggers enjoy this game best if the PNL is operated by a man in a tall white hood. 5) Hunt the nigger: a variation of Hunt the Slipper, but played outdoors, with Dobermans. WARNING: do not let your Dobermans bite a nigger, as they are highly toxic.

Niggers die on average at around 40, which some might say is 40 years too late, but there you go. Most people prefer their niggers dead, in fact. When yours dies, report the license number of the car that did the drive-by shooting of your nigger. The police will collect the nigger and dispose of it for you.

Have it put down, for god's sake. Who needs an uppity nigger? What are we, short of niggers or something?

They all do this. Shorten your nigger's chain so it can't reach any white women, and arm heavily any white women who might go near it.

Not unless it outnumbers you 20 to 1, and even then, it's not likely. If niggers successfully overthrew their owners, they'd have to sort out their own food. This is probably why nigger uprisings were nonexistent (until some fool gave them rights).
Yeah, well, it would. Tell it to shut the fuck up.

A nigger's skin is actually more or less transparent. That brown color you can see is the shit your nigger is full of. This is why some models of nigger are sold as "The Shitskin".

What you have there is a "wigger". Rough crowd. WOW!

They're as common as dog shit and about as valuable. In fact, one of them was President between 1992 and 2000. Put your wigger in a cage with a few hundred genuine niggers and you'll soon find it stops acting like a nigger. However, leave it in the cage and let the niggers dispose of it. The best thing for any wigger is a dose of TNB.

And you were expecting what?

When you came in here, did you see a sign that said "Dead nigger storage"? That's because there ain't no goddamn sign.

Re:Guide To The Barack Obongo Presidency (1)

FunkyRider (1128099) | more than 5 years ago | (#25754265)

Every time I see this, I just wanna fuck you in the anus

Depends.... (3, Insightful)

kellyb9 (954229) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753061)

I think it's time for Google to embrace to take on Microsoft head-on, as CW blogger Preston Gralla has argued for and described how to go about it.

Doesn't this really depend on whether or not Google WANTS to compete head to head with Microsoft. You don't make business decisions out of spite.

Re:Depends.... (0, Flamebait)

Afforess (1310263) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753139)

Google allows you to upload/open Open Office Documents, will M$ word do that?

Re:Depends.... (1)

kellyb9 (954229) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753201)

No, and if I was making the point that Microsoft is "awesomer" than Google, you'd be right, but I'm not. All I'm saying is maybe it isn't in Google's best interest to compete with Microsoft in every single avenue.

Re:Depends.... (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753341)

...seeing as Microsoft pretty my does all it can (legally or not) to destroy
everyone and everything that stands in their way, it would be pretty of naive
of Google to think that they can get away with anything less than total war.
That's how Microsoft treats the rest of the industry. Google is already
percieved as a threat. Attempting to do something that could rid Microsoft
of one of it's cash cows is not going to change anything with regards to how
Microsoft treats Google.

Re:Depends.... (5, Informative)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#25754095)

Actually yes.

MS Office 2007 has a Sun developed plugin that allows ODF support, but even better, the next service pack from Microsoft is adding native ODF support without a plugin.

Re:Depends.... (2, Interesting)

Mista2 (1093071) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753805)

But this is how we got Lambourghini 8)
Lambourghini goes back to Enzo Ferrari with a complaint about his crappy car, and Enzo tells him to "Go back to your Tractor Factory!"
So now we have the Countach, Diablo, etc. 8) Excellent alternatives to the dominant fast Fiats Ferrari make 8)

Re:Depends.... (1)

gbjbaanb (229885) | more than 5 years ago | (#25754153)

Clippy: "Hi, it looks like you're writing a letter. Would you like some help with that... using free templates from that provides the best offerings of free CV and job related resumes to give you that edge in your job hunt".

get the idea why Google would want to compete on an online Office suite?

In the darkness bind them (4, Interesting)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753099)

I don't fully agree with Stallman [] regarding cloud computing, but if you add Microsoft's usual strategies to storing all your documents with them (lets take their word that any browser will be able to use their web office) some danger could be there.
At least with Google's one i can download the docs in OpenOffice/Word/RTF/HTML format, thats the other "compatibility" that MS Web Office should provide too.

Re:In the darkness bind them (4, Interesting)

TheModelEskimo (968202) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753323)

I agree. The risks are bad enough with Google that I've decided to migrate away from Google services. I'm steering my business into locally-developed and locally-hosted services, since many of my (admittedly hippie, but rich hippie) clients have started to notice that gigantic chunks of their business information can end up somewhere in a large "fog" of data centers. I say fog because "cloud" sounds too optimistic and doesn't do the obscuring nature of the whole thing justice.

Re:In the darkness bind them (1, Troll)

iCharles (242580) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753385)

What! Rich Stallman is against something that he didn't personally conceive of and name? I can't believe it! He is usually an open-minded individual, willing to foster and encourage new concepts, and never one for not-invented-here syndrom!

Re:In the darkness bind them (5, Informative)

aztektum (170569) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753671)

I don't think he's against cloud computing because he didn't think of it. I think he's against it because it encourages vendor lock-in (if you RTFA linked by the P) and puts your data under the control of a third party. Pretty much DIY-freedom is why Stallman is against cloud computing, a concept he advocated since he began sporting a 5 o'clock shadow.

I repeat the mantra "Our IT security is only as strong as our weakest link." at work. Unfortunately we still have to battle for even the most basic of precautions some times. Kind of ironic for a company that provides physical security access services.

Re:In the darkness bind them (0, Troll)

Vexorian (959249) | more than 5 years ago | (#25754291)

The fuck? Who modded this idiot up?

Re:In the darkness bind them (1)

dedazo (737510) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753603)

One thing that I've heard from IT folks at a few companies about this whole "documents on the web" thing is the potential of being able to host a cloud service internally to do that and avoid having to dedicate slow network shares or SharePoint installations to enable people to view other people's documents.

Within the corporate world this would be a huge deal. I don't know if Microsoft would be interested in creating a prepackaged solution for this like SBS that works and scales well at the enterprise level.

SharePoint is really great, but large companies tend to have a mishmash of disconnected SP sites all over the place, mostly at the OU or departmental level, and maintaining them ends up being expensive in the long run (although SP itself really is stable in my experience).

I think this would be more attractive than the edit-files-on-your-browser novelty.

Re:In the darkness bind them (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753823)

I would agree it is important to be able for you to get your own data, This is an issue the companies policy not the Cloud Computing Model or the SaaS model, and msny SaaS companies do allow you to have the data. I didn't see when I skimmed the article about anything saying you can't get your own copy of the data. Otherwise Office Online would be useless. Like back in the 80's where they sold computers and said how good they would be for kids except they didn't have a printer attachment so they couldn't give their work to anyone else to read. Not being able to use the data offline wouldn't probably make it a failure. While having both will allow sharing of information. As well on those long trips without a network connection.

Re:In the darkness bind them (1)

Mista2 (1093071) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753831)

I just wonder what feature won't be available in the other browsers.
I'm still waiting for a good Linux or OS X implimentation of the MS Communicator client.

Get your priorities straight (4, Insightful)

qoncept (599709) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753153)

"I think it's time for Google to embrace to take on Microsoft head-on, as CW blogger Preston Gralla has argued for and described how to go about it."

That would be a great idea, if your goal is to hurt Microsoft's sales rather than high quality office software. This is a good example of how two faced people can be. The leg the open source community stands on is improving the offerings in specific types of software, yet somehow lose sight of it, thinking that eliminating an option is in everyone's best interest.

Re:Get your priorities straight (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#25754115)

Mod parent up, repeatedly.

Re:Get your priorities straight (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25754327)

OMG the OSS community is one person! Anytime two supposed OSS advocates want different things, it's OK to say the OSS community is two faced. Because we're all the same person! Wowwee.

Now go die in a fire, kthxbye.

Let me just say (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25753165)

Before the bashing continues. That this is great news! On inital inspection Microsoft is doing what the market is asking for. If this changes in the future... well we shall see. But personally based on all of the uphevals that have been occuring I am going to trust Microsoft again and see how this pans out. Like it or not Office is a great office suite and since it moved to the ribbon bar is even better.

BTW No I am not a Microsoft fanboy, I use whatever tool is appropiate and frankly MSWord and Excel are brilliant pieces of software.

Re:Let me just say (1)

AlgorithMan (937244) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753635)

If you think, Microsoft is planning to keep this compatibility forever, you don't know them very well...

might i remember you to the fact, that microsoft released office:mac only for one reason: to stop supporting macs someday to force the users to buy windows? []

Re:Let me just say (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25754073)

Yeah that's right...and now all those Mac users are feeling the pain while switching like crazy to Windows since Microsoft followed through and stopped...supporting...oh wait []

Just... (3, Insightful)

comm2k (961394) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753227)

as Outlook Web Access works in non-IE browsers..?! There is a reason you can select a 'Premium' version with IE and not with FF/Safari etc.

Slashdot will find something wrong and evil about (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25753231)

Sorry Microsoft. You can the offer openid. You can provide specs to samba and mono. You can deliver free cross platform software (Office Live).

But you'll never win slashdot's heart. Slashdot permanently hates you. Stop trying. Its a double-standard-irrational-childish-stupid kinda hate, but its double-standard-irrational-childish-stupid hate regardless.

Now, if Google did this same thing, well, they'd be treated like a god. Like when Google offered OpenID and they were applaused -- the day after You guys did it and you were hated on.

Re:Slashdot will find something wrong and evil abo (2, Insightful)

profplump (309017) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753407)

While google has the potential to be just as evil, they at least really mean cross-platform. If their past history of cross-platform compatibility can be used as a guide -- OWA for example -- they mean "Designed for IE, will provide some functionality in other browsers so we can call it cross-platform." Recent versions of OWA have actually *reduced* cross-platform compatibility from what was a pretty usable webmail client to something that won't even let you edit Exchange filtering rules unless you're on MSIE.

Re:Slashdot will find something wrong and evil abo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25754789)

Oh you mean like their cross-platform browser?

Re:Slashdot will find something wrong and evil abo (1)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 5 years ago | (#25754609)

As Microsoft continues to prepare for the 2009 2010 launch of Windows 7, it today issued a plea through its network of objective opinion-shapers: Don't let the journalists near it. []

"We understand that many journalists use Macs," said CNet marketing marketer Don Reisinger. "This means they necessarily suckle at the Satanic rear passage of Steve Jobs. We cannot countenance their bias. Journalists are responsible for all those signs outside computer shops offering to replace Vista with XP. When was the last time you saw the entire technology field stop and wait for an announcement from any other company besides Apple? It's so unfair!"

Smears and slanders also come from obsessive overweight nerdy Mac-using Linux geek troublemakers who run "benchmarks" and "tests." "It's horrifying bias from the 'reality'-based community," said ZDNet marketing marketer Mary Jo Enderle. "We understand that, just because Vista was 40% slower than XP and Windows 7 is the same speed as Vista, the nattering nabobs of negativism are already writing press releases condemning it as 'not enough of an improvement.' It's so unfair!"

"Mactards are like concentration camp guards," said Guardian marketing marketer Jack Schofield, "brutalising 'I'm A PC' users and" [This comment has been removed by a Guardian moderator. Replies may also be deleted.]

"The only reason Vista failed was because Microsoft planned for it to fail," said Reisinger in an earlier ad-banner troll post. "It was a fantastically subtle double-bluff! They did the honorable thing in the face of the vile calumnies spread by Apple. It's so unfair!"

Microsoft will be debuting Windows 7 on a new 17" Asus Eee Ultra-Portable Mini-Netbook with 8GB memory and a 2GHz quad-core processor. Battery life is up to twenty minutes in preliminary tests.

Competition := good (3, Interesting)

MicklePickle (220905) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753377)

This is a classic example of why we should have competition. It only takes a bit of competition thrown in and suddenly our Linux platform is supported. Consumer lock-in is great for business but bad for consumers.
I wonder just how long this platform embracing will last though?

Re:Competition := good (1)

rugatero (1292060) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753471)

I wonder just how long this platform embracing will last though?

I believe embracing is the first part of a three-step process. Not sure how the other two will pan out in this regard.

"just work" (1)

Trojan35 (910785) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753587)

Google isn't successful because of cross-platform, cross-browser goodness. They're successful because their products "just work". Much like Apple, in a sense.

Can Microsoft do that? Live Search eventually got there, but almost a decade late to the party. Let's see what the office team can do being only a few years late.

what the hell? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25753509)

what the hell is wrong with MS? oh wait thats kind of a stupid question on slashdot..
but seriously, they killed hotmail so it no longer works with web standard compliant browsers like Opera, and now they're touting "linux compatibility" just because a stupid web based suite of software works with firefox?!

what a pile of crap.. way to be king turd of crap mountain again MS


Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25753559)

Please do Sarah Palin [] .

Thanks in advance.

Kilgore Trout

Cloud computing.... only if I get my own cloud!! (5, Interesting)

morgauo (1303341) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753661)

Ok,I'm a pretty big geek.

Being able to access my stuff wherever I go has been my goal for a long time. When I was in college (before cheap USB sticks) I used to have a business card CD for my wallet with a java based ssh client (putty wasn't around yet) and a vncviewer executable. This way I could reach my stuff from the lab computers or anywhere else without installing anything. Realizing that wallet CDs suck I moved on to a web based solution. (try finding a wallet they actually fit in and then try to carry it everywhere without breaking it!) I had a javascript ssh client (mindterm) and a javascript vnc client on a webpage hosted from my machine. This worked... ok.... for the time.

My point is I get it... I get what is so convenient about cloud computing. but... is it really a good idea for allowing the placing of ones documents on someone else's machine (Mickeysoft, Google, etc...) become so commonplace? I realize 90% of what most people's data is going to be uninteresting and not worth getting concerned about. But... if what happens to the 10% of data that truly is sensative when erveryone's in the mindset of just use Google or just use Microsoft? IT guys/gals, do you really think the business suites in your company are going to even understand the differenct between working on a document hosted at some other company vs. running an office suite localy? Most will only know that this is what is easy, this is what they know, this is what their peers are using... For that matter, even people who do understand the difference, once they have been using the cloud for the unimportant data, are they even going to think about it or will it be second nature?

So... inaviteable as cloud computing seems to be, maybe it's time for an OSS web based Office Suite. Something that a company can install on it's own ssl encrypted web server, something that more adventurous home users can install in their own homes and use along with dynamic dns.

Now somebody else go write it :-)

Re:Cloud computing.... only if I get my own cloud! (1)

jmyers (208878) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753835)

Cloud computing is fine for the typical Joe 6 pack user. The fact is most people are not competent enough to maintain their own internet connected computer and keep it secure.

Having your documents stored on a computer that is not secure is just as bad or worse that letting Google or MS store your documents. Power users and businesses can and will handle their own document storage.

Yeah right (4, Insightful)

und0 (928711) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753699)

The last time they said the same thing for DirectX...

Re:Yeah right (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#25754139)

When did they ever say that DirectX would work on Mac and Linux?

As for Silverlight, they've already paid to help Mono developers make Moonlight and said they'd offer free support to web developers trying to get Moonlight/Linux to work with their web site.

ono..i can see the blue screen from here (1)

idanity (591710) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753721)

will this make it esier, or a gigantic nightmare, and now that windows is incorperating linux, i am afraid of their..."rights" on any program i may want to run...(ono, my poor device is going to loose 99 % of its memory)

It's official: Internet Explorer != The Internet (4, Funny)

z0ink (572154) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753763)

How is this even newsworthy? So ... Microsoft gets extra credit for doing what _should_ be done with web applications? Is it that or are we all just impressed it's not Silverlight w/ DRM and a paperclip that wants to spy on you and send all your personal details back to Redmond.

let's see it first (2, Interesting)

Tom (822) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753795)

Before anyone tells Google that the sky is falling, let's see MS new vaporware in a real-life test first, shall we?

It wouldn't be the first time that they promise revolution, and deliver either nothing at all or a weak me-too product. So let's wait what it's really like. Complex applications are difficult to move to the web, and a "light" version often lacks the exact features that a good fraction of the users care about.

Won't get fooled again (2)

starfishsystems (834319) | more than 5 years ago | (#25753799)

Pardon me for injecting a note of caution.

See, I seem to vaguely recall a few hundred previous occasions in which Microsoft played this same game. It's amazing to me that anyone would still fall for it.

The title confused me..what 'do'? (1)

microbee (682094) | more than 5 years ago | (#25754015)

Is it the same do as in "I'm doing your daughter"?

Frdist 5top (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25754199)

gone Rjomeo and the longest or

who cares? (1)

Sadsfae (242195) | more than 5 years ago | (#25754371)

Minus some features of sharepoint, already offers a better experience for the average user for free than that of MS Office.

Why this article is bullcrap (3, Insightful)

Vexorian (959249) | more than 5 years ago | (#25754391)

I RTFA! The whole conclusion comes from saying that it will work in Safari and Firefox... News flash! Even since this thing was announced, we knew MS will use silverlight for this... So, yes, it will run in Safari and Firefox, just through using a plugin, but you'll need .net for this moronity... In other words, that it works in Firefox means nothing, ah and we get to see silverlight in work as a replacement for what IE was meant for initially, to make windows a requirement to browse the web.

Moonlight? yeah right... Assuming MS doesn't add Silverlight-only stuff as a requirement for their online office stuff, they will eventually do once it is famous enough. Thanks Miguel...

Google apps run in anything that can run javascript, does not require you to install .net or violate MS' patents and I am quite sure it will be more feature-complete and better implemented, this web stuff is definitely not MS' strength, they are still on that ridiculous windows-only obsession...

They won't change (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25754587)

They block Linux from Hotmail - they'll block Linux from this too - but only after you get involved enough to like it - then they'll announce you have to use IE6 or Windows 7 or something that will bring them back into force.

I don't plan to use it. has it all already and it is a complete system including mail and presentations.

So it seems.. (1)

slummy (887268) | more than 5 years ago | (#25754679)

People really do read the comments [] .
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