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New Datacenter In Underground Lair

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 5 years ago | from the mwahahahahahahahah dept.

Data Storage 109

lobo235 writes to tell us that a new underground data center designed by Sweden's largest ISP is fit for a classic supervillain, complete with greenhouses, waterfalls, German submarine engines, simulated daylight and can withstand a hit from a hydrogen bomb. "'Rather than just concentrating on technical hardware we decided to put humans in focus,' he said. 'Of course, the security, power, cooling, network, etc, are all top notch, but the people designing data centers often (always!) forget about the humans that are supposed to work with the stuff.'"

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109 comments

Hm.... (5, Funny)

pwnies (1034518) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766061)

For a pleasant working environment the data center has simulated daylight, greenhouses, waterfalls and a huge 2600-liter salt water fish tank.

That's quite the fish tank... large enough for certain carnivorous, cartilanginous fish...

Backup power is handled by two Maybach MTU diesel engines producing 1.5 Megawatt of power.

Goodness that's a lot of power, certainly more than a standard set of servers would need. Why, with all that extra electricity you could probably power several deadly lase...OHMYGODWHAT HAVE WE LET THEM CREATE?!?

Re:Hm.... (0, Redundant)

LocutusMIT (10726) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766107)

That's quite the fish tank... large enough for certain carnivorous, cartilanginous fish...

Only if they have frikkin' lasers on their heads.

Re:Hm.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25766201)

Why, with all that extra electricity you could probably power several deadly lase...OHMYGODWHAT HAVE WE LET THEM CREATE?!?

Only if they have frikkin' lasers on their heads.

Yeah, that was kind of the joke...

Re:Hm.... (5, Funny)

ironwill96 (736883) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766129)

At it only cost ONE......Million Dollars!

Re:Hm.... (1)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 5 years ago | (#25767157)

Is anyone else reminded of the aspirations of John Galt by this?

Re:Hm.... (1)

Fulcrum of Evil (560260) | more than 5 years ago | (#25767367)

Not especially - Hagbard Celine is a far better protagonist.

Re:Hm.... (4, Funny)

CaptainPatent (1087643) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766133)

OHMYGODWHAT HAVE WE LET THEM CREATE?!?

Begin the unnecessarily slow-moving dipping mechanism!

Re:Hm.... (3, Funny)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766357)

Just be sure to reveal your grand plans to whomever's tied to the dipping mechanism before you pull the oversized floor-mounted lever to lower.

Re:Hm.... (4, Insightful)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766251)

That's quite the fish tank... large enough for certain carnivorous, cartilanginous fish...

2600 L?

That's nothing. 1L = 1 dM^3 ... cube root of 2600 is about 13.75... we're talking about a cube about 4' x 4' x 4'.

Carnivorous, cartilaginous fish? I think not. Perhaps they have room for some undersize ill-tempered sea bass.

Re:Hm.... (4, Informative)

Lazyrust (1101059) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766333)

Actually its closer to 3' x 3' x 10' as 90 cubic feet of water is 673.25 gallons [google.com] . 2600L is almost 686 gallons [google.com] .

Re:Hm.... (2, Funny)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766409)

That's nothing. 1L = 1 dM^3 ... cube root of 2600 is about 13.75... we're talking about a cube about 4' x 4' x 4'. Carnivorous, cartilaginous fish? I think not.

They do come in pocket size [wikipedia.org] versions.

Re:Hm.... (2, Funny)

Deadgrass (870170) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766647)

Maybe they just fill it with sweedish fish?

Re:Hm.... (2, Funny)

Darinbob (1142669) | more than 5 years ago | (#25767447)

And put frikkin LEDs on their heads!

Re:Hm.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25767081)

The sea bass, it is very good tonight!

Re:Hm.... (1)

mikael (484) | more than 5 years ago | (#25767783)

Either way, it's enough to build a piranha tank with a trap door above. But, unfortunately, the only people that would scare are Oompah-Loompahs and Mini-Me.

Guests are coming. (1)

mac1235 (962716) | more than 5 years ago | (#25769179)

The koi have not been fed in days!

Re:Hm.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25770107)

"Perhaps they have room for some undersize ill-tempered sea bass."

Would they still be big enough to carry devices the size of, say, a laser pointer?

Re:Hm.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25766307)

Backup power is handled by two Maybach MTU diesel engines producing 1.5 Megawatt of power.

Goodness that's a lot of power, certainly more than a standard set of servers would need. Why, with all that extra electricity you could probably power several deadly lase...OHMYGODWHAT HAVE WE LET THEM CREATE?!?

Actually, it isn't. If your average server uses 500W (and it certainly does), that's just enough for 3000 servers; maybe 2000 with cooling. By datacenter standards, that's quite small. 15 employees is way overkill for that.

Re:Hm.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25767321)

Perhaps the generators aren't capable of powering the whole place at 100%?

Re:Hm.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25766417)

Have to wonder if it will be a new home for The Pirate Bay. Fish tank, greenhouses and all well underground. Wonder if that would give the MAFIAA nightmares?

Re:Hm.... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25768013)

those cowards. does TPB really think that shielding themselves with 30m of bedrock and hiding beneath the city of Stockholm will stop the RIAA/MPAA from nuking them off the face of the planet?

if the war on Iraq has taught us anything, it's that such spineless tactics do not work on Americans. we'll destroy the enemy no matter how much collateral damage it might cause. a few hospitals and water processing plants are a small price to pay to defeat the terrorists. and music/movie pirates are certainly terrorists!

it's just too bad about the residents of Stockholm though. i guess they should have thought about that before deciding to harbor terrorists.

Re:Hm.... (2, Interesting)

dargon (105684) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766507)

Hmm, lasers for the datacenter, i think these will do fine.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/14/northrop-grummans-weaponized-laser-on-sale-now-definitely-won/ [engadget.com]

Re:Hm.... (1)

peragrin (659227) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766743)

So you weren't the only one to think of the solid state lasers came out just in time. portable defense systems. now they just need to add motion targeting to track intruders.

A lot of power? Not hardly :) (5, Informative)

backtick (2376) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766639)

*NOTE: I design and build data centers for a for-profit company, so I'm biased, but at least educated *grin**

The entire facility is 12K square feet. The DC portion looks like it's around half of it, unless they meant in the description it's 12K square feet of data center space. If so, that's only 1,500 kW to power both the load *and* the HVAC/support gear, unless they're requiring *both* generators to run w/o any 'N+1' unit, and if they're burying their HVAC towers (BAC was mentioned in the article at 1.5 MW of cooling, or roughly a maximum of 425 tons). At your best, you can get a 60:40 ratio since they're underground and have to exhaust heat. Even assuming they can use outdoor cold air in a heat exchanger setup or geothermal cooling w/ groundwater, they won't break 80:20, just due to UPS inefficiencies and air *movement*. So, 1500 kW * .80 = 1200 kW of power to the load side at peak. That's only 100 watts/ft^2. That's pretty low density, really.

Why do I say that? I'm opening new 'small' data centers at 10,000 square feet of raised floor at a time per room, and we build them out to much higher densities of 150+ watts/ft^2. In a recent design, we're putting in a usable total of ~2 MW of UPS in for 10K square feet, and that means we eat another good chunk of power for the ~600 tons of HVAC that requires to exhaust the heat (3x300 ton chillers and several generators that carry different parts of the load). You can very quickly look at a DC even as 'small' as 10-12K square feet and see 3-4 MW of raw utility power being consumed (at peak load when the place is finished out).

BTW, I don't do this for google's stacks of 'homebrew racks' or Microsoft's blade servers or those research center folks that user Beowulf's or Cray's superdense supercomputer apps; mine are normal production centers full of a mix of customer gear like Dells, and IBM and HP and Cisco and Sun and various SANs. And that stuff is breaking 150-200 watts^ft2 these days when packed into standard cabinets and fully populated.

So, that's a neat idea, but I hope that it's going to bill a pretty penny as it doesn't sound cheap to have built. That said, it LOOKS like a cool place to work, so long as they don't run out of money :)

Re:A lot of power? Not hardly :) (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25767123)

Hey, it's Sweden's largest ISP. The entire population of Sweden is under 10 million. How big a data center do they need?

Re:A lot of power? Not hardly :) (3, Funny)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 5 years ago | (#25767311)

How big a data center do they need?

How much porn do they have?

Re:A lot of power? Not hardly :) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25769183)

Hehe, but Bahnhof is hardly Swedens largest ISP. It might be that they are that in certain respects, like hosting, but they are far from the largest in total.
Not saying it's not one helluva neat location though..I think that the article is more about the neatness than the largeness, so to say... :-)

Re:A lot of power? Not hardly :) (1)

argStyopa (232550) | more than 5 years ago | (#25770167)

Have you considered that they might be building it with DC power for the data units?
No transformers in every device SIGNIFICANTLY reduces the heat load, also makes the racks creepy-quiet.

Re:A lot of power? Not hardly :) (1)

Agripa (139780) | more than 5 years ago | (#25770383)

No transformers in every device SIGNIFICANTLY reduces the heat load, also makes the racks creepy-quiet.

DC powered data centers still have the transformers. What they lack is the extra rectification or power factor correction step in the distributed line power supplies.

Since all of the power is ultimately still being turned into heat, the increased power supply efficiency only has a small effect on cooling requirements.

Suggested "Health and Safety" improvements (1)

ErkDemon (1202789) | more than 5 years ago | (#25771817)

No transformers in every device SIGNIFICANTLY reduces the heat load, also makes the racks creepy-quiet.

Mmm. So you might want a decent sound system down there to stop the total silence being too distracting.

And the contrast between the "daylight" light-sources and the more distant dark walls and ceiling is a bit harsh. If they're not whitewashing the walls, I think they need some sort of light-scattering system to reduce the contrast. It's difficult to judge how well the photographed image corresponds to the actual lighting, but it currently looks like they just put in a lot of suspended fluorescent tubes with standard down-deflecting housings, which is bad. Uncomfortable on the eyes.

How about adding a few mirror balls? :)

Now, humidifiers ... you want to place them //after// the servers (wrt airflow), in the central section. You don't want to spend a lot of money on a custom industrial unit that costs a fortune to service: instead, they could just put in a jacuzzi.

Next, since they don't have windows, it'd be a good idea to put in some sort of distant moving images for people to focus on, to help alleviate eyestrain from the monitors and the lights. The spots of light playing over the rock-walls from the mirror-balls would help, but another useful thing might be really big TV screens (maybe put in a few home movie systems with digital projectors). That'd let them project soothing live webcam feeds of woodland and beach scenes onto the walls. And as a purely accidental bonus, could also play movies.

A team of highly-trained masseuses would be useful for stress-relief, too. Especially ones with large breasts.

100ft "passive cooling" tower? (1)

ErkDemon (1202789) | more than 5 years ago | (#25771677)

If it's 100ft underground, that suggests the possibility of passive convection cooling. If you have separated air intake and outlet shafts (or divide a single shaft), then you could bring the fresh air in under the floor panels, and have warm air leaving the server regions, passing the fishtanks, and heading back up the shaft. Keeps the tunnels nice and cosy.

I don't know what sort of updraft you get with a 100-foot column of warm air, but the suction might be quite significant. The more heat you generate, the greater the temperature differential, and the greater the gravity-feed effect between the inlet and outlet air-columns.

As for cost, I suppose that they saved some money on not bothering to build false walls and ceilings inside the cave to turn the thing into a more conventional "boxed-in" office. With exposed rock, you'd perhaps be a little concerned about potential dampness (for the people who work there) but if the warmed dry air piped up under the servers is then passing back along the corridors, I guess that'll help to fix any potential "cold damp rockface" issues.

Idle section story? (-1, Flamebait)

iammani (1392285) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766103)

Am I the only one thinking, this should be an idle section story

Re:Idle section story? (5, Funny)

genner (694963) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766135)

No this is actually entertaining.

Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25766377)

This idea WAS invented by Shampoo...

Re:Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25766721)

These continual attempts to turn the shampoo thing into a persistent meme are rather sad.

Lunar colonies (4, Interesting)

bigattichouse (527527) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766121)

These will be the sort of projects that will provide the engineering knowhow to build actual lunar colonies.
--
Search Multiple Craigslist communities from one Place: http://www.bigattichouse.com/oneeyeopen.html [bigattichouse.com]

Re:Lunar colonies (2, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766293)

not sustainable self-enclosed ecosystems, which is really what we need.

Re:Lunar colonies (4, Insightful)

tgd (2822) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766637)

Um. Its a hole in the ground with stuff brought in through a tunnel that they ordered online and crap like that.

There's no radiation. No 250,000 mile trip to get there. No soul sucking vacuum outside. No corrosive, likely cancer causing dust. No gravity well to get out of or back into.

Building that provides as much engineering know-how related to moon colonies as the Lincoln Log houses I built as a 3 year old.

Re:Lunar colonies (3, Funny)

Daswolfen (1277224) | more than 5 years ago | (#25768589)

Maybe not, but it will fit on NASA's set in the desert.

You Fools! (3, Funny)

Gat0r30y (957941) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766139)

and just for fun the people at Pionen have also installed the warning system (sound horns) from the original German submarine.

Sorry, but if i'm in an underground bunker designed to withstand a nuke, I would not think it very fun to have sound horns start blaring unexpectedly (as I run down the hallway screaming "you fools! you blew it all up!").

Swedish, eh? (2, Funny)

e9th (652576) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766161)

I hope they didn't furnish it from IKEA so it looks like a weird subterranean college dorm.

Re:Swedish, eh? (1)

recharged95 (782975) | more than 5 years ago | (#25767565)

Actually, that's why they went underground: they found out all the ikea servers [blogspot.com] ... though slick looking, functional, and high performance.... broke within one year and pretty much crap when it came to repairing.

Obligatory (1)

Like2Byte (542992) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766173)

SWITCH [youtube.com]

The Art Deco version, from the 1940s. (4, Interesting)

Animats (122034) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766179)

Take a look at these pictures of the Aspidistra transmitter [seftondelmer.co.uk] in Britain. Art deco design, curved chrome, indirect lighting, and parquet floors, all in an underground bunker. This was the 500KW transmitter used to break in on German radio stations and create the illusion of a local station within Germany.

The transmitter was purchased from RCA, and the Radio City design made it all the way to Sussex.

Re:The Art Deco version, from the 1940s. (1)

stiller (451878) | more than 5 years ago | (#25770235)

Was this designed by someone called Andrew Ryan?

Mmmmm (4, Funny)

thewils (463314) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766195)

Does it come complete with blond Swedish henchwoman too?

Is the boss' name Hank Scorpio by chance? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25766229)

Scorpio!
His twisted twin obsessions are his plot to rule the world and his employees' health.
He'll welcome you into his lair,
Like the nobleman welcomes his guest,
With free dental care and a stock plan that helps you invest!

Beware of his generous pensions,
Plus three weeks' paid vacation each year.
And on Fridays the lunch room serves hot dogs and burgers and beer!
He loves German beer.

Re:Is the boss' name Hank Scorpio by chance? (1)

Lazyrust (1101059) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766411)

If this was in Russia, it would be run by an evil Gynecologist named Rocher Kokov.

Rendered Photo's (2, Interesting)

ironicsky (569792) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766239)

Its too bad they didn't use actual pictures. It looks completely rendered.
Especially the last one of the power switches

Cool concept though if it is indeed real.

Re:Rendered Photo's (2, Insightful)

lysergic.acid (845423) | more than 5 years ago | (#25768047)

um, the images may have been cleaned up in Photoshop (just as most publicity/PR/ad photos and are), but they certainly aren't rendered. you need to get your eyes checked.

Not really supervillain-grade (3, Funny)

idontgno (624372) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766245)

Until they get half-pony half-monkey monsters and hordes of hungry wolves all over the grounds.

Trust me, I have this on good authority. [youtube.com]

wait (3, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766247)

not to throw cold water on this idea (pun intended), but a waterfall creates mist

furthermore, a warm saltwater aquarium, with all of the agitation to keep the fish alive = saltwater mist

hmm, mist + server components (or worse, saltwater mist + server components) = BZZZZT

of course you could put an airlock and dehumidifiers in the server area, but thats a lot of extra expense

but hell, i think when you faithfully recreate a supervillain's lair, you're not exactly worried about being green or saving on power consumption

Re:wait (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25767297)

What do you mean "you *could* create an airlock". Any server room worth paying to build or rent a rack in is going to have doors resembling an airlock (not air tight), and positive pressure on the inside that will keep moisture out. Complete with antistatic mats/pads and some of those nice sticky pads immediately outside the door to clean your shoes off.

If you don't feel a blast of air in your face when you open the door to get to the server, they've built it abnormally (and probably wrong). I've even seen one place where there were double doors and the 'entrance airlock' was cooler than the server room so hotter air from the server would be more likely to flow out when it opened.

Dust in server rooms is a bad thing. Yes, microsoft and google have played with trailers using outdoor cooling to save on costs--but when you're providing all your own cooling, the least you can do is use positive pressure to keep it clean.

Re:wait (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25767315)

Salt water that evaporates does not evaporate into "salt mist". If not, we would have a lot of salty rain.

There is a certain level of humidity in all data centers. It should probably be kept stable at a reasonable level.

i guess you've never been to the seashore (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 5 years ago | (#25769249)

you can smell the salt

there most definitely is such a thing as saltwater mist. sea spray from waves crashing on rocks drifts. salt collects on land near the ocean from the mist, making agirculture difficult except for salt hardy plants. iron implements are known to rust faster near the seashore due to the increase incorrosion from saltwater mist

anything that can be dissolved in water can become a mist if agitated

educate yourself

Re:wait (1)

VoidEngineer (633446) | more than 5 years ago | (#25771259)

if you read the article and looked at the maps, the waterfalls and fish tank are in the entrance hallway and conference room, and the mist generator is in one of the greenrooms/monitoring rooms. The humidity features are where the *people* are, not where the servers are. The servers are off in another giant room, on the other side of what I would presume to be airtight doors.

Straight Out of The 1960's (2, Funny)

ewhac (5844) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766261)

There's something terribly wrong with me when the first think I think of when seeing those photos are the lair of Diabolik.

Schwab

Re:Straight Out of The 1960's... Lair? (1)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 5 years ago | (#25767093)

I was just thinking Laird of the Rings?

Not largest ISP (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25766279)

Bahnhof isn't Sweden's largest ISP. The Largest ISP in Sweden would be TeliaSonera.

They're not even in the top 3.

Evil... (4, Funny)

mediis (952323) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766295)

That really makes me want to become an EVIL Unix Admin instead of just a normal Unix Admin. I feel the sudden urge for world domination. Um Bork Bork Bork.

Re:Evil... (1)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 5 years ago | (#25767753)

Now THAT's some datacenter the Pirate Bay would use... yaaarrrrrrrrrrrr!!

Re:Evil... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25770723)

I thought UNIX admins were supposed to be *EVIL* BOFHs

Re:Evil... (1)

geekgirlandrea (1148779) | more than 5 years ago | (#25771035)

Wait, you mean there are non-evil UNIX admins? Even *normal* ones?

on behalf of slashdot, let me be the first to say: (4, Funny)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766303)

I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT

Mom! Christmas Present!

{collapses, quivering}

You're not a super villain... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25767453)

otherwise you would surely have said some of the following:

* It's nice, but my lair has frickin' sharks with lasers on their heads !

* I'll buy it, as a holiday undercome when I get out of my 300 square kilometers underground lair.

Re:on behalf of slashdot, let me be the first to s (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25769385)

What? CTS, using proper capitalization? It can't be true... the end times are nigh!

Hoax? (1)

Spazmania (174582) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766399)

The facility may be real (I'm in no position to say otherwise) but with the possible exception of the last one the "photos" look rendered.

I could be wrong. Just saying.

Re:Hoax? (1)

stjobe (78285) | more than 5 years ago | (#25767039)

Oh it's real. I used to walk by it every day to and from work when they were building it.

Re:Hoax? (2, Informative)

stjobe (78285) | more than 5 years ago | (#25767073)

Sorry about replying to myself, but I thought a video of the construction might alleviate Spazmanias fear of hoaxes:
mms://stream.bahnhof.net/bahnhof/tv8ompionen.wmv (sound in Swedish).

Re:Hoax? (1)

VoidEngineer (633446) | more than 5 years ago | (#25771265)

it's just the gel lighting.

And they're awesome in other ways too (4, Insightful)

Colonel Sponsz (768423) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766407)

This is the same ISP that started a campaign for privacy certification [integrity.st] of ISPs and that's fought tooth and nail against Lex Orwell [slashdot.org] - from general advertising/campaigning to releasing a public awareness-raising (open source) Firefox plugin [fradar.net] to stating that they will flat-out refuse to comply with any official wiretapping request [bahnhof.se] . (Swedish-only links I'm afraid)

They might actually need their bunker, with the way this country is going...

Swedish Pirate Party has its servers there (4, Informative)

Christian Engstrom (633834) | more than 5 years ago | (#25767105)

This is where we have located the servers of the Swedish Pirate Party [piratpartiet.se] .

Part of the reason is that the ISP Bahnhof [bahnhof.se] has taken at stance on privacy issues that we are very happy with as pirates. But of course part of the reason is that it's a pretty cool looking data center. :)

You can find a couple of pictures from when we installed our servers in the data center here [wordpress.com] .

/Christian Engstrom
Vice Chairman, The Pirate Party, Sweden

Blue Fog? (1)

John Hasler (414242) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766437)

I like the original look better.

Why? (1)

plover (150551) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766477)

Why humanize it? The best data centers are dark. Open them up once in a while for a maintenance monkey to swap hard drives in exchange for bananas, and call it a day. Why do they care if the monkey gets to look at a fish tank in between hard drive changes?

Re:Why? (1)

VoidEngineer (633446) | more than 5 years ago | (#25771285)

Better service. They're creating an environment where the monkeys will want to work at and keep in good condition. Those will be very well maintained and optimized servers. There's more to managing a data center than simply swapping hard drives.

They always forget about the Henchmen! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25766509)

And their families...

Just remember.... (2, Interesting)

Chyeld (713439) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766519)

Stay out of Power Dome A [penny-arcade.com] unless you've learned Old Magic [penny-arcade.com] from your local exterminator [penny-arcade.com] .

The Pirate Bay (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25766521)

...a and can withstand a hit from a hydrogen bomb.

Now we know what those sneaky bastards at the pirate bay are up to! They're building a bomb-proof underground lair for their torrent trackers!

Can survive bombs... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25766577)

But not being linked to by Slashdot.

Why? (1)

Jodka (520060) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766745)

Their data survives a global nuclear war but your customers do not. What is the point of that? Are there people out there who care that after they and EVERYONE THEY KNOW are vaporized that their blog and bank records are still accessible online? Is that something you look for in a data storage center when shopping for that service?

That real estate could be put to much better use by storing things which could help mankind rebuild civilization after a global catastrophe. Nuclear war, global pandemic, impact event, etc. It is not unreasonable to anticipate that kind of thing and prepare for it. It might not be cold enough for a seed bank [wikipedia.org] but surely there are other things which people would need in calamitous circumstances which could be stored there.

Re:Why? (3, Insightful)

Jedi Alec (258881) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766803)

Guess you haven't played Fallout 3 yet or you'd know that any stray equipment left after a nuclear war can be turned into an awesome weapon :-)

Re:Why? (2, Funny)

Chyeld (713439) | more than 5 years ago | (#25766899)

You don't consider my porn collection to be of valuable use when the barbarians left alive from the Great War are trying to figure out what a Sybian or TENS unit was for? FOOL! They'll need study guides and inspiration if we truely want to repopulate the world.

Re:Why? (1)

VoidEngineer (633446) | more than 5 years ago | (#25771299)

Um, how about design blueprints? CAD files and the like? A copy of the Guttenberg Project and the Visible Human project? etc. etc. I could go on and on, but the point is that storing information through a global nuclear war is just as important as storing seeds.

They'll justify operation costs through leasing server space to various businesses. But they justify their capital expenditures for the installation and upgrade through the disaster recovery and business continuity planning services they offer.

complete with nail-filter! (1)

bbdd (733681) | more than 5 years ago | (#25767001)

This place is cool, so I checked out their (Swedish) website:

http://www.bahnhof.se/colocation.php [bahnhof.se]

I don't speak Swedish, so a quick run through Google Translate solves that for me:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bahnhof.se%2Fcolocation.php&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=sv&tl=en [google.com]

Now, though, I want to know where I get my hands on the wicked nail-filtering UPS!:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bahnhof.se%2Fcolocation.php&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=sv&tl=en [google.com]

"The environment in our server halls are dedicated for electronics. Temperature and humidity are regulated continuously, and thanks to our UPS: you're completely free of nails."

Henchman: will work for internet access (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25767011)

So, who do I have to kill in an obscure way to work here?

*willing to wear colored jumpsuit*

underground bunker (1)

confused one (671304) | more than 5 years ago | (#25767035)

Good, the AI needs a backup site where it can remain hidden when it begins the takeover of the world and elimination of the human scourge.

Some background info (3, Interesting)

frehe (6916) | more than 5 years ago | (#25767207)

The datacenter is built in what was called Pionen; one of several now defunct wartime civil defense headquarters located underground in the Stockholm area. It was built in 1943, and modernized in the mid-1970s. It was meant to be a forward command post, built large enough to contain several rescue vehicles (fire trucks) in addition to the command and control functions, and despite the rumors, it's not capable of withstanding a direct hit from a non-tactical nuclear weapon.

What would be really interesting is if someone bought the Muskö underground naval base and converted it into a datacenter, since that's a SIGNIFICANTLY larger underground structure (its underground area is approximately the same size as the whole of Gamla Stan in Stockholm).

Re:Some background info (1)

hardcorejon (31717) | more than 5 years ago | (#25767849)

agreed. this is totally lame. from the page itself:

"Can withstand a hydrogen bomb: The bunker was designed to be able to withstand a near hit by a hydrogen bomb."

That's near hit, not direct hit. I'm going to wait until they excavate a few hundred feet deeper and put the premium datacenter down there.

    - jonathan.

Re:Some background info (2, Interesting)

frehe (6916) | more than 5 years ago | (#25769931)

These things did, and still do, make a difference from a military point of view, and military purposes was why the original structure was built in the first place.

If I'm not mistaken, there are several underground military structures in Sweden broadly on the Stockholm - Oslo axis that should be highly suitable for datacenter use, but I'm not sure if they have all been decommissioned yet. This includes what is believed to be the main national military/civil wartime command center ("Riksbunkern"). Swedish speaking people who are interested in these thing should try to search on "Redovisningsavdelning Bergslagen", which was, and still is as far as I know, the rather non-descript designation used by the unit/organization responsible for the highest level of military C3 in Sweden.

Cryptonomicon? (1)

s_p_oneil (795792) | more than 5 years ago | (#25768095)

Sounds like someone took it a bit too seriously.

Re:Cryptonomicon? (1)

VoidEngineer (633446) | more than 5 years ago | (#25771317)

Either that, or Stephenson was simply anticipating the direction things are going in society.

It must get expensive (2)

Bo'Bob'O (95398) | more than 5 years ago | (#25768225)

I like the ground fog in the pictures. It would certainly be amusing if they had those machines permanently installed, specially since it looks to be dry ice or CO2 based, that can get expensive.

Hmmm.. I wonder if I can convince my boss thats what our office needs.

Dark (1)

starfishsystems (834319) | more than 5 years ago | (#25768527)

Dark, dark, dark. I look down those rows of cabinets and all I can think is how much I would hate to pull cables or install gear in them.

"Get Forbin" (1)

sciop101 (583286) | more than 5 years ago | (#25770077)

"We can coexist, but only on my terms. You will say you lose your freedom, freedom is an illusion. All you lose is the emotion of pride. To be dominated by me is not as bad for human pride as to be dominated by others of your species.

"This concludes the broadcast from World Control."

OMG (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25770313)

Sweden found the Stargate!

Soon they will discover new races and the Ori will be all over us!

I went to their website and all I understood was (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25771255)

Bahnhof

InfoBunker.com (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25771615)

"Operating from a Cold War era government command bunker that was purpose-built by the military to house sensitive electronic gear, InfoBunker combines the best of modern commercial technology with Military-grade reliability and government construction to provide the most secure and reliable location for your offsite storage solutions."

"Redundancy

        * Facility is over 65,000 square feet
        * Fully redundant air handling/cooling systems.
        * 2-sided independent A/B main breakers
        * 3 Backup 750 KW turbine generators for N+2 redundancy
        * Entire complex is multistage air-filtered to 0.3 microns
        * Halon fire extinguishers
        * Multizoned FM200 fire suppression systems
        * Backup 16,000 gallon water based fire suppression"

"Survivability Features:

        * Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) shielding to military standards
        * Three-foot thick reinforced concrete, all-subterranean construction
        * Designed to survive a 20-megaton nuclear blast from 2.5 miles
        * Six day diesel fuel reserve
        * 17,000 gallon freshwater reserve tank
        * All critical equipment shock-mounted on isolation pads
        * Nuclear/Biological/Chemical (NBC) air filtration."

God, bless, America. ^_^

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