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New AMD Processors Aiming Between Laptops and Netbooks

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the not-too-big-not-too-small dept.

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An anonymous reader writes with an article about AMD's Conesus chip, suggesting that it is intended to compete with Intel's Atom for the netbook market. However, CNet reports that AMD is eschewing that form factor in favor of something larger, yet still more portable than a traditional laptop. Quoting: "AMD's strategy seems solid, in my opinion. Go for a segment that is bigger and better than Netbooks. The ultraportable category (the MacBook Air being the best example) is full of attractive but expensive designs. Why not work with PC makers to offer an ultrathin, ultralight, full-featured 13-inch notebook that is priced a lot less than $1,800? Why not $600 or $700? In addition to the conventional criticism of Netbooks (small screens, tiny keyboards), an underrated fact is that many users eventually get the feeling that they're stuck with an underpowered laptop."

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Your official guide to the Jigaboo presidency (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25769093)

Congratulations on your purchase of a brand new nigger! If handled properly, your apeman will give years of valuable, if reluctant, service.

INSTALLING YOUR NIGGER.
You should install your nigger differently according to whether you have purchased the field or house model. Field niggers work best in a serial configuration, i.e. chained together. Chain your nigger to another nigger immediately after unpacking it, and don't even think about taking that chain off, ever. Many niggers start singing as soon as you put a chain on them. This habit can usually be thrashed out of them if nipped in the bud. House niggers work best as standalone units, but should be hobbled or hamstrung to prevent attempts at escape. At this stage, your nigger can also be given a name. Most owners use the same names over and over, since niggers become confused by too much data. Rufus, Rastus, Remus, Toby, Carslisle, Carlton, Hey-You!-Yes-you!, Yeller, Blackstar, and Sambo are all effective names for your new buck nigger. If your nigger is a ho, it should be called Latrelle, L'Tanya, or Jemima. Some owners call their nigger hoes Latrine for a joke. Pearl, Blossom, and Ivory are also righteous names for nigger hoes. These names go straight over your nigger's head, by the way.

CONFIGURING YOUR NIGGER
Owing to a design error, your nigger comes equipped with a tongue and vocal chords. Most niggers can master only a few basic human phrases with this apparatus - "muh dick" being the most popular. However, others make barking, yelping, yapping noises and appear to be in some pain, so you should probably call a vet and have him remove your nigger's tongue. Once de-tongued your nigger will be a lot happier - at least, you won't hear it complaining anywhere near as much. Niggers have nothing interesting to say, anyway. Many owners also castrate their niggers for health reasons (yours, mine, and that of women, not the nigger's). This is strongly recommended, and frankly, it's a mystery why this is not done on the boat

HOUSING YOUR NIGGER.
Your nigger can be accommodated in cages with stout iron bars. Make sure, however, that the bars are wide enough to push pieces of nigger food through. The rule of thumb is, four niggers per square yard of cage. So a fifteen foot by thirty foot nigger cage can accommodate two hundred niggers. You can site a nigger cage anywhere, even on soft ground. Don't worry about your nigger fashioning makeshift shovels out of odd pieces of wood and digging an escape tunnel under the bars of the cage. Niggers never invented the shovel before and they're not about to now. In any case, your nigger is certainly too lazy to attempt escape. As long as the free food holds out, your nigger is living better than it did in Africa, so it will stay put. Buck niggers and hoe niggers can be safely accommodated in the same cage, as bucks never attempt sex with black hoes.

FEEDING YOUR NIGGER.
Your Nigger likes fried chicken, corn bread, and watermelon. You should therefore give it none of these things because its lazy ass almost certainly doesn't deserve it. Instead, feed it on porridge with salt, and creek water. Your nigger will supplement its diet with whatever it finds in the fields, other niggers, etc. Experienced nigger owners sometimes push watermelon slices through the bars of the nigger cage at the end of the day as a treat, but only if all niggers have worked well and nothing has been stolen that day. Mike of the Old Ranch Plantation reports that this last one is a killer, since all niggers steal something almost every single day of their lives. He reports he doesn't have to spend much on free watermelon for his niggers as a result. You should never allow your nigger meal breaks while at work, since if it stops work for more than ten minutes it will need to be retrained. You would be surprised how long it takes to teach a nigger to pick cotton. You really would. Coffee beans? Don't ask. You have no idea.

MAKING YOUR NIGGER WORK.
Niggers are very, very averse to work of any kind. The nigger's most prominent anatomical feature, after all, its oversized buttocks, which have evolved to make it more comfortable for your nigger to sit around all day doing nothing for its entire life. Niggers are often good runners, too, to enable them to sprint quickly in the opposite direction if they see work heading their way. The solution to this is to *dupe* your nigger into working. After installation, encourage it towards the cotton field with blows of a wooden club, fence post, baseball bat, etc., and then tell it that all that cotton belongs to a white man, who won't be back until tomorrow. Your nigger will then frantically compete with the other field niggers to steal as much of that cotton as it can before the white man returns. At the end of the day, return your nigger to its cage and laugh at its stupidity, then repeat the same trick every day indefinitely. Your nigger comes equipped with the standard nigger IQ of 75 and a memory to match, so it will forget this trick overnight. Niggers can start work at around 5am. You should then return to bed and come back at around 10am. Your niggers can then work through until around 10pm or whenever the light fades.

ENTERTAINING YOUR NIGGER.
Your nigger enjoys play, like most animals, so you should play with it regularly. A happy smiling nigger works best. Games niggers enjoy include: 1) A good thrashing: every few days, take your nigger's pants down, hang it up by its heels, and have some of your other niggers thrash it with a club or whip. Your nigger will signal its intense enjoyment by shrieking and sobbing. 2) Lynch the nigger: niggers are cheap and there are millions more where yours came from. So every now and then, push the boat out a bit and lynch a nigger.

Lynchings are best done with a rope over the branch of a tree, and niggers just love to be lynched. It makes them feel special. Make your other niggers watch. They'll be so grateful, they'll work harder for a day or two (and then you can lynch another one). 3) Nigger dragging: Tie your nigger by one wrist to the tow bar on the back of suitable vehicle, then drive away at approximately 50mph. Your nigger's shrieks of enjoyment will be heard for miles. It will shriek until it falls apart. To prolong the fun for the nigger, do *NOT* drag him by his feet, as his head comes off too soon. This is painless for the nigger, but spoils the fun. Always wear a seatbelt and never exceed the speed limit. 4) Playing on the PNL: a variation on (2), except you can lynch your nigger out in the fields, thus saving work time. Niggers enjoy this game best if the PNL is operated by a man in a tall white hood. 5) Hunt the nigger: a variation of Hunt the Slipper, but played outdoors, with Dobermans. WARNING: do not let your Dobermans bite a nigger, as they are highly toxic.

DISPOSAL OF DEAD NIGGERS.
Niggers die on average at around 40, which some might say is 40 years too late, but there you go. Most people prefer their niggers dead, in fact. When yours dies, report the license number of the car that did the drive-by shooting of your nigger. The police will collect the nigger and dispose of it for you.

COMMON PROBLEMS WITH NIGGERS - MY NIGGER IS VERY AGGRESIVE
Have it put down, for god's sake. Who needs an uppity nigger? What are we, short of niggers or something?

MY NIGGER KEEPS RAPING WHITE WOMEN
They all do this. Shorten your nigger's chain so it can't reach any white women, and arm heavily any white women who might go near it.

WILL MY NIGGER ATTACK ME?
Not unless it outnumbers you 20 to 1, and even then, it's not likely. If niggers successfully overthrew their owners, they'd have to sort out their own food. This is probably why nigger uprisings were nonexistent (until some fool gave them rights).

MY NIGGER BITCHES ABOUT ITS "RIGHTS" AND "RACISM".
Yeah, well, it would. Tell it to shut the fuck up.

MY NIGGER'S HIDE IS A FUNNY COLOR. - WHAT IS THE CORRECT SHADE FOR A NIGGER?
A nigger's skin is actually more or less transparent. That brown color you can see is the shit your nigger is full of. This is why some models of nigger are sold as "The Shitskin".

MY NIGGER ACTS LIKE A NIGGER, BUT IS WHITE.
What you have there is a "wigger". Rough crowd. WOW!

IS THAT LIKE AN ALBINO? ARE THEY RARE?
They're as common as dog shit and about as valuable. In fact, one of them was President between 1992 and 2000. Put your wigger in a cage with a few hundred genuine niggers and you'll soon find it stops acting like a nigger. However, leave it in the cage and let the niggers dispose of it. The best thing for any wigger is a dose of TNB.

MY NIGGER SMELLS REALLY BAD
And you were expecting what?

SHOULD I STORE MY DEAD NIGGER?
When you came in here, did you see a sign that said "Dead nigger storage"? .That's because there ain't no goddamn sign.

Re:Your official guide to the Jigaboo presidency (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25769369)

Dude, if you are gonna post racist shit, at least make it funny, dammit! This is 12-year-old kid quality.

Re:Your official guide to the Jigaboo presidency (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25769837)

This is 12 years old.

Fixed.

Intel's Nano? (2, Insightful)

A12m0v (1315511) | more than 5 years ago | (#25769113)

Doesn't anyone proofread anything anymore?

Re:Intel's Nano? (3, Informative)

LaskoVortex (1153471) | more than 5 years ago | (#25769185)

I suspect they meant Intel Atom rather than Via Nano.

Re:Intel's Nano? (1)

the0 (1035328) | more than 5 years ago | (#25769265)

Well, as long as they don't mean the iPod Nano...

Re:Intel's Nano? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25770075)

>Doesn't anyone proofread anything anymore?

You must be new here.

Re:Intel's Nano? (1)

Trespass (225077) | more than 5 years ago | (#25771081)

Why edit articles by people that can't write for people that don't read? Waste of effort.

Intel Nano? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25769117)

Don't you mean Via Nano?

Far too many big corps are unhappy with netbooks. (5, Insightful)

boorack (1345877) | more than 5 years ago | (#25769125)

Microsoft stroke deals with hardware vendors to limit capacities of their netbook products. Asus is trying to pull off this market and sell bigger (and a bit more expensive) products. Are they scared that too many people will learn that a netbook is enough for them ?

Re:Far too many big corps are unhappy with netbook (4, Interesting)

h4rm0ny (722443) | more than 5 years ago | (#25769229)


I'm actually inclined to agree with AMD's stance on this. Incidentally, I think this [notebooks.com] is the original article that all these other news sources are paraphrasing and it has more information.

You are undoubtedly right that now netbooks are available people who were previously stuck at full laptop level but only need a netbook will migrate. And we're seeing that. But not all the people who buy a netbook will find it suits them in the end. I was very tempted to get one, nearly did, but eventually decided that nice though the Eee PC looked, it ultimately wasn't quite powerful enough for my needs. The supposed advantages of netbooks / mininotebook are excellent portability, battery life and cheapness. But they're not actually that cheap - they're priced too high. Oh, they're cheaper than modern laptops, but UK£300 for an Asus Eee PC (about $US450, probably cheaper outside the UK), is still a significant purchase for most. Significant enough that spending an extra £150 / £200 for something obviously more powerful (and with more screen real estate), is less of a factor. For most people, the decision is more likely to be based on the portability (battery life is getting pretty good for full laptops these days and places to plug them in more commonplace, so less of a concern). Netbooks are more portable, but they're still not exactly mobile phones. And at the same time, laptops are getting lighter. A student who walks around with a netbook all day long might benefit from this, but a travelling salesman in his car, or a holidaying Slashdotter on the train... I think a lot of people prefer the power and the screen size of a laptop.

Netbooks seem to have done well because they are a new market segment and people who naturally fall to that segment are shifting from laptops or getting in for the first time now. Or because they're new and they're trendy. But what AMD are reporting is that actually sales compared to laptops are fairly small and there is also an uncommonly high level of returns on netbooks which suggests people realising they don't suit their needs either. We're also seeing a failure of the principle of the netbooks by their manufacturers as they implicitly concede that there is a demand for more power by releasing increasingly expensive and more powerful netbooks - a sign that they are trying to overlap more with the bottom end of the laptop market.

So netbooks - certainly have their market, but AMD might well be right to focus on real laptops where they may well take a strong lead over Intel. AMD have had their ups and downs, but most of those downs have been due to either not having as much money to throw around as the giant Intel, or sheer luck (Intel's Israeli lab unexpectedly turning up an unforecasted power boosting design). In terms of strategy, AMD have usually been pretty strong turning out, if not always the most powerful chips, usually the best price to performance ratios.

Re:Far too many big corps are unhappy with netbook (3, Insightful)

MrNaz (730548) | more than 5 years ago | (#25769343)

I've been saying this for a very long time. I bought a second hand X40 and it serves me far better than a netbook would, was cheaper than one, is more durable, has a full size excellent keyboard, full size screen and is only slightly larger.

Re:Far too many big corps are unhappy with netbook (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25769767)

An X40 is NOT a full-size keyboard! The X200 and X30x use a full size keyboard (identical to the T40 and later in key pitch).

But otherwise, I agree!

Re:Far too many big corps are unhappy with netbook (1)

Walter Carver (973233) | more than 5 years ago | (#25859263)

That's great. How about weight? How about battery longevity? These Netbooks really outstand in those two. And what if I want a new one with a guarantee and all?

See my point?

Now, having said all these, I would love to have a second hand X40 :-P

Re:Far too many big corps are unhappy with netbook (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25769597)

For most people, the decision is more likely to be based on the portability (battery life is getting pretty good for full laptops these days and places to plug them in more commonplace, so less of a concern). Netbooks are more portable, but they're still not exactly mobile phones. And at the same time, laptops are getting lighter.

Bulk, rather than weight, is also a factor.

I recently bought an Acer Aspire One [johnlewis.com] . I get around by bike, and I found that my Laptop, a 13" MacBook + Brenthaven sleeve, was taking up most of the space in my pannier. A netbook, with no padded case, leaves a lot more room.

I think you're right about the UK price, but Linux netbooks are GBP 200-220 and I'm sure that competition, catalysed by AMD's entry [theinquirer.net] , will drive the prices down over the next 12 months.

Re:Far too many big corps are unhappy with netbook (1)

h4rm0ny (722443) | more than 5 years ago | (#25769671)

I recently bought an Acer Aspire One [johnlewis.com]. I get around by bike, and I found that my Laptop, a 13" MacBook + Brenthaven sleeve, was taking up most of the space in my pannier. A netbook, with no padded case, leaves a lot more room.
I think you're right about the UK price, but Linux netbooks are GBP 200-220 and I'm sure that competition, catalysed by AMD's entry [theinquirer.net], will drive the prices down over the next 12 months.

Ah, you are right. I wondered why those Eee PCs were more expensive than I remembered - I was looking at the Windows version. But we're still in the right sort of area for my point to stand. I don't disagree with you: travelling by bike is a clear case where the netbook's form factor and weight become more significant. But I'm not talking in absolutes, I'm saying what I think will be the general trend.
Regards,
H.

Re:Far too many big corps are unhappy with netbook (1)

evilbessie (873633) | more than 5 years ago | (#25770087)

you really should have read the article, it suggests that AMD is in fact going to miss the segment entirely. Going for full function laptops in slimmer lighter cases for sub $1000 (they cite the macbookair as a good example of the form factor, but not price obviously), essentially going you can pay twice what a netbook costs but actually get a proper computer, which seems like as good a ploy as any for AMD. They do have some competition from the core2 which does scale down to low power quite well, but intel chipsets are not always the most power friendly and AMD save on the northbridge with their design.

Re:Far too many big corps are unhappy with netbook (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25781661)

it suggests that AMD is in fact going to miss the segment entirely. Going for full function laptops in slimmer lighter cases for sub $1000 (they cite the macbookair as a good example of the form factor, but not price obviously), essentially going you can pay twice what a netbook costs but actually get a proper computer,

I think the Inquirer article is probably as on the money as any.

AMD don't have anything to compete with the Atom in an apples for apples comparison, so they've come as close as they can in the short term. They're going to compete on price, and hope the OEMs can make something that sells.

Re:Far too many big corps are unhappy with netbook (1)

ThePhilips (752041) | more than 5 years ago | (#25769981)

The supposed advantages of netbooks / mininotebook are excellent portability, battery life and cheapness. But they're not actually that cheap - they're priced too high.

Check out Nokia N800/N810. That looks to me precisely like what netbooks should be.

But actually netbooks were pitched as smallest system capable of running Windows... What frankly to me makes absolutely no sense. I still recall times when Windows 3.x started requiring twice more memory because M$ implemented icon cache. They never being good at handling consumer's precious resources, always shifting costs to hardware.

Re:Far too many big corps are unhappy with netbook (4, Informative)

Kjella (173770) | more than 5 years ago | (#25770099)

High-powered, high-priced ultra mobiles have always been there - I bought a very expensive Toshiba back in 2002 which is pretty near as small and light as you can get given the screen and keyboard. Atom opened up a whole new market exactly because these ultra-mobiles are cheap enough to buy as alternatives, not replacements or to completely new markets which probably explains the higher returns. A lot of the statements in the article is plain old bullshit, like the "failure of the principle". It's like saying compact cars are a failure because people also want semi-compacts instead of full-sized cars. The laptop producers have been fighting heavily for margins but Intel has huge margins on the Atom, do a little die size math and you'll see that they sell for far more than Core 2 Duos/Quads in terms of $/mm^2. And the sales are so far beyond expectations that Intel, you know that semiprocessor production giant, had trouble delivering.

The alledged market AMD is claiming is there can be snuffed out by Intel at any time, they have the chips to do it but are keeping the prices on the high-powered ultra-mobile chips very high. The Core 2 Duo T-series will easily cost you 3x as much as desktop chips for clockspeed parity, for example at 2.5GHz you can get a 170$ E7200 or a 510$ T9300. Sure it would be very nice of AMD to come in and help push prices down, but Intel could slash the T9300 to 2-300$ in a heartbeat and essentially close any gap that might have been between netbooks and laptops.

Yes, for a certain range AMD still has good value products as that's where they have to be as challengers, but don't confuse market realities with how they're doing financially or technologically. However that range has been growing slim, with better chipsets to match the Atom they're fighting a losing battle on the lowest end, they have lost the high-end desktop and laptop market long ago and nehalem has a heavy dose of server-oriented improvements. Intel's been hitting all their high-margin strongholds and just delivering "value" desktop/laptop processors has very poor margins. Intel can keep up their tight tick-tocks and weather this recession, I'm not sure AMD can even with this restructuring.

Re:Far too many big corps are unhappy with netbook (1)

thealsir (927362) | more than 5 years ago | (#25770527)

I think AMD will be kept afloat by ATi. That said, I agree that this is less of a financial opportunity for them than it seems due to the reasons you pointed out.

Re:Far too many big corps are unhappy with netbook (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25773299)

The laptop producers have been fighting heavily for margins but Intel has huge margins on the Atom, do a little die size math and you'll see that they sell for far more than Core 2 Duos/Quads in terms of $/mm^2.

I'll take your word for it and add that smaller chips have higher yields because defects take out a smaller percentage of chips, so the margins are even bigger than a linear formula ($/mm^2) would imply.

Yeah, kinda... (1)

jshackney (99735) | more than 5 years ago | (#25773325)

But they're not actually that cheap - they're priced too high.

I realize this is comparing apples and oranges, but going on pure GHz, the eee Atom units are more than twice as powerful as my 667 P3 laptop (which is currently my workhorse) at less than half the original cost. If the performance of the eeePC lags behind the P3, I'm going to be a little disappointed.

However, I see your point and agree that the eee units are a bit overpriced for the hardware involved. But I'm going to justify my purchase based on my love affair with ASUS. I've never had a serious problem with their motherboards and I'm hoping that these computers are equally solid. Again, not really based on good judgment, but I do believe I mentioned I have unrealistic emotional expectations.

Re:Far too many big corps are unhappy with netbook (2, Insightful)

slashnot007 (576103) | more than 5 years ago | (#25769235)

Why would anyone but a bussiness person want a netbook? Just asking not stating. Presumably bussiness folks want to check e-mail, corporate calanders, catch a movie, and show power points. They will never program, do calculations on the road with them so how much power do you need. If you need to program or present calculations wou want a big screen and big KB anyhow, plus a fast CPU and battery to match. So it's gonna be bigger. Net books only need slow cpus right?

Re:Far too many big corps are unhappy with netbook (2, Funny)

Jeremy Visser (1205626) | more than 5 years ago | (#25769285)

Why would anyone but a bussiness person want a netbook?

Why would a business person want one in the first place? They are not large enough to stand out among the cubicle desks and their small speakers are not nearly powerful enough to echo their tacky startup sounds to their whole floor.

Re:Far too many big corps are unhappy with netbook (2, Insightful)

slittle (4150) | more than 5 years ago | (#25769303)

Why would anyone but a bussiness person want a netbook?

Anyone with ubiquitous network access? They're called netbooks for a reason.

I have plenty of storage and processing power elsewhere, I don't need battery sucking features on my portable terminal.

Netbook == PADD with a keyboard.

Re:Far too many big corps are unhappy with netbook (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25769319)

Students in college would use a netbook. They are is more than enough for email, notes, and surfing the web.

Re:Far too many big corps are unhappy with netbook (3, Insightful)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 5 years ago | (#25769321)

Why would anyone but a bussiness person want a netbook?

I like my eee because:

  • I can chuck it in my backpack without having to make a big deal of taking a laptop
  • It runs on 9 volts so a simple voltage regulator gets it running in the car
  • I can use it on public transport with people piled up shoulder to shoulder around me

Re:Far too many big corps are unhappy with netbook (1)

Heather D (1279828) | more than 5 years ago | (#25771323)

These are precisely the sort of computers that hikers look for. Laptops are too clumsy for multi-day trips and the drives are rather fragile as well. Its a lot easier to store a flashcard in a waterproof container than it is a hard disk.

Re:Far too many big corps are unhappy with netbook (2, Insightful)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 5 years ago | (#25772477)

These are precisely the sort of computers that hikers look for.

Ummm, maybe. It depends on what you mean. I ride a bicycle to work. I could never take a full sized laptop on the bike but I sometimes take the eee. I wouldn't want to take it all the time though.

If I am camping in my van I would definitely take the eee, but if I am out in the bush walking for days on end I wouldn't take it because it still has too much weight to justify carrying.

Re:Far too many big corps are unhappy with netbook (1)

renoX (11677) | more than 5 years ago | (#25779653)

Not really ideal though: still the wrong screen technology for outside reading though.

Re:Far too many big corps are unhappy with netbook (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25769335)

Right now, my laptop is my 'main' computer. It takes 4-5 minutes to pack it up and bring it somewhere, plus it's heavy. An EEE I could just carry along, no hassle. Why have it? Simple, org-mode in Emacs!

Re:Far too many big corps are unhappy with netbook (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#25772101)

5 minutes? I also use my laptop as my main machine and packing it up is less than a minute if I don't let it shut down entirely before putting it in the bag. Of course, all I have to pack is the charger and the mouse (some people I see toting around external hard drives/fans/etc).

Re:Far too many big corps are unhappy with netbook (2, Interesting)

sammyF70 (1154563) | more than 5 years ago | (#25770411)

I'll have to disagree on the "program" part.

I have an Acer Aspire One, with the awfully named Linpus distro on it. After making it boot to xfce instead of the very limited Linpus GUI, installing geany, blender, Krita (had problems with gimp sadly:/, code::block and pygame, the AA1 turned out to be great for on the road coding.

If you're like me and you prefer to code some minigame fast, instead of playing sudoku or solitaire while traveling, a netbook is just the thing to have. The keyboard of the AA1 is big enough to type blind (and I have big fingers) and the resolution isn't THAT bad if you decrease the font's size.
Admittedly, the Atom is not particularly powerful, the 512MB ram are less than stellar and the intel onboard gfx sucks donkey anus, but it should be enough for most applications if you're not actually trying to debug the LHC's main control program and it provides a good incentive to code in a CPU/mem efficient manner.

The small size and low weight (combined with a genius traveler trackball and a 16GB SSD card) means I can even code while leaning against a wall, or in a very cramped bus, and that I can just take it with me everywhere .. just in case I might have to wait for some time somewhere.

Oh ... And it's a tech-girl magnet. Too bad there aren't many where I live though ;)

Re:Far too many big corps are unhappy with netbook (1)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 5 years ago | (#25770573)

Wrong. My laptop is my main and only computer at work. I work for a company that has 100k+ employees. The only people that get desktops these days are the ProE guys. I spend 95% of my life in Matlab and compiling XPC programs. I can grab it and go to a meeting where I can compile and program in meetings. I can also give presentations and such.

I currently have an M90. Most people that give me a hard time about the weight have kids, so I ask them how heavy their kids are at birth and how often they carried them around.

netbooks are perfect for ssh (1)

wikinerd (809585) | more than 5 years ago | (#25771861)

If you need to program [...] [y]ou want [...] a fast CPU

I can program on netbooks (and PDAs) and I don't need a powerful CPU locally because I just ssh to the development servers as long as there is 3G/GPRS connectivity. Remember Sun's "the network is the computer"? I actually do not use a desktop computer at all, and if I need more local power the netbooks are augmented by more powerful laptops, but the fact is that 99% of the time the Intel Atom CPU is enough for cloud-based computing. Desktops are a thing of the past when you get accustomed to network-centric work.

I cannot comprehend why people continue programming in desktops nowadays. After all, gcc and emacs is the same whether it runs locally or accessed through ssh. It makes much more sense to move everything to the cloud, as long as the cloud is owned by you (ie your own dedicated servers in trusted datacentres). And there is no logic in using a desktop when you can get a lightweight netbook and go to a mountain and sit there programming in the clean air and close to the nature. It also helps you keep fit.

Re:Far too many big corps are unhappy with netbook (1)

Wdomburg (141264) | more than 5 years ago | (#25774391)

System administrators who want to something small to carry when they're on call? Students who want something small to take notes on? Parents who want something light and relatively cheap for their kids?

the best netbook still the 12" G4 Powerbook (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25770013)

final rev before the Intel.

Really. It's light, a smooth case that doesn't snag clothes, small, I can run Photoshop and CaptureNX when I do weddings, burn DVDs, flawless wireless connectivity, long battery life, and runs Firefox, OpenOffice, mail, and it's honkin' fast.

Needs a reboot once a year, for updates. You close the cover and leave all your work open (save it anyway). When you pick it up again the next morning, open it, and you pick up where you left off in the 5 seconds it takes to relight the screen. Convenient.

Used it's about 6 benjamins.

Put it into a memory foam slipcase and toss it into my overnight for the redeye.

The EEyorePC should be half as well designed. Hint Apple, you dropped a market when you discontinued it.

Maintainence? Viruses? Crashes? Runs Tiger, baby.

adding to my comment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25770029)

the network connects to any Windows network I might find at a client, and it "just" switches between wired and wireless. Try doing that with XP or Vista.

And it has a modem! You wouldn't believe how often that has saved my bacon.

You might even look for an old iBook, they had all this stuff, just slower and in a dorky form factor.

Re:Far too many big corps are unhappy with netbook (1)

Abreu (173023) | more than 5 years ago | (#25770171)

Too late.

Everybody who sees my new Acer Aspire One falls in love with it, especially after hearing its price.

I think Acer will sell quite a few of these babies during the holiday season in Mexico
(the Asus EEEPC is not available here)

Re:Far too many big corps are unhappy with netbook (1)

Krneki (1192201) | more than 5 years ago | (#25770241)

Agree.

These new netbooks are even sexier then the Macs.

Re:Far too many big corps are unhappy with netbook (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25771125)

Microsoft stroke deals with hardware vendors

Struck. Took me a moment to figure that out. Stroke is something else entirely, though it can nearly be made to fit here.

obvious solution (2, Interesting)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | more than 5 years ago | (#25769195)

They basically are underpowered laptops. How are they going to shake that image if it's true? Simple! Make it capable of making cell phone calls. Then it's like the ultimate super-blackberry smart phone for not much more money. I really don't know why they can't make phone calls given their size and price. I really think if they added that feature, people would have a much better opinion of them because they'd always be compared to a cell phone. It'd be a cell phone but with a bigger screen, longer battery, and better features.

Re:obvious solution (2, Informative)

argiedot (1035754) | more than 5 years ago | (#25769325)

Dude, it's not a cellphone. To quote from a comment I made elsewhere:

Dude, HP's Mininote 2133 is over a kilogram in weight. An average phone is around 100gm (the Nokia E71 is a tenth the weight of the Mininote 2133) The Mininote is 1136.025 cc, the E71 is 65cc.

Anyway, can't you just Skype over a 3G chip if it's that important to you?

Re:obvious solution (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 5 years ago | (#25769879)

Have a look at the HTC Athena [wikipedia.org] . It's a smartphone/UMPC. I recommended it to my uncle last year and he's still using his, whereas his Samsung tablet was quickly consigned to a dusty corner not long after he got it because Windows CE or whatever it had didn't have as nice a stylus input system (you could only do handwriting recognition in a small part of the screen, on Windows Mobile you can use the whole screen) and crappy battery life.

For myself I'm getting a Pandora. I already have a phone and hopefully can get it set up as a bluetooth modem. If not I'll look for a less locked down phone!

Yeah. Sure. (1)

milas (988484) | more than 5 years ago | (#25769211)

Between $600-700 with DDR3 RAM? Hope you can run Vista on 256 MB if that's how much you're expecting to pay and get DDR3...

Re:Yeah. Sure. (1)

NothingMore (943591) | more than 5 years ago | (#25769239)

They only said support for DDR 3 so it could very well still support DDR 2 memory. While DDR 3 is expensive right now in the not too distant future it will be cheap. To me it looks like they just want to cover all of there bases and not have to redesign a chip to be compatible with DDR 3 in the next year or so when prices for DDR 3 fall.

Not underpowered - more like underfeatured (5, Insightful)

magarity (164372) | more than 5 years ago | (#25769227)

an underrated fact is that many users eventually get the feeling that they're stuck with an underpowered laptop
 
I have a new netbook with Intel's Atom chip in it (Lenovo Ideapad) and it isn't underpowered so much as just underfeatured. For the screen, it isn't the size but the resolution; Fujitsu manages to put 1280x800 in their even smaller Lifebook models but that doesn't explain the 6x cost difference. It'd be nice to have a firewire port (I have a FW video camera and external drives) and a DVI instead of analog VGA. Other than that, the thing is perfect so it's close enough. Some people will want more CPU power for ... games? Who knows... I think it's the same mentality that gets dual/quad CPUs in desktops that are used for spreadsheets and browsing. More power to AMD to sell their products - just as long as it comes with a screen resolution upgrade.

Re:Not underpowered - more like underfeatured (1)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 5 years ago | (#25769355)

Some people will want more CPU power for ... games? Who knows... I think it's the same mentality that gets dual/quad CPUs in desktops that are used for spreadsheets and browsing.

Bootup and app startup times are usually the bottleneck for office software. Whether its the CPU, bloated Vista, junkware, or disk I/O rate that causes the problems is an open mystery. I'd like to see more research on that.
     

Re:Not underpowered - more like underfeatured (1)

b4upoo (166390) | more than 5 years ago | (#25769467)

For me there is no need for lite weight lap tops. I don't run through airports. I could make use of a lap top that weighed thirty pounds. But I want power and really bullet proof construction.
            The point is that nobody gets what they want. We are all stuck with what the manufacturers consider a typical consumer product or if we want something just a bit different we are expected to pay and pay and pay!

Re:Not underpowered - more like underfeatured (1)

Mike1024 (184871) | more than 5 years ago | (#25769505)

I have a new netbook with Intel's Atom chip in it (Lenovo Ideapad) and it isn't underpowered so much as just underfeatured. [...]It'd be nice to have a firewire port (I have a FW video camera and external drives) [...] Some people will want more CPU power for ... games? Who knows... I think it's the same mentality that gets dual/quad CPUs in desktops that are used for spreadsheets and browsing.

I think you've just answered your own question by saying "What do people want additional CPU power for?" and saying "I'd rather have a firewire port to connect my video camera to".

I can see AMD's point, though; it does seem that, when ordering laptops by price, screen size goes 9", then 10", then 15", then back to 13".

Re:Not underpowered - more like underfeatured (2, Informative)

lysergic.acid (845423) | more than 5 years ago | (#25769577)

well, hopefully as low-power netbooks catch on we'll start seeing more purpose-based rather than marketing-based designs in both netbooks as well as traditional laptop/desktop systems. and it's good that Intel and other chip makers are starting to focus on more efficient processors rather than just adding cores and increasing clock speeds.

if consumers start seeing that they can get better results with cheaper, more modestly powered systems, maybe the general public will start to question why they have to keep upgrading their computers every year just so that the applications that they use on daily basis (word processing, spreadsheets, e-mail, web browsing, etc.) run just as slowly as before.

there's nothing wrong with spending money on a good system, but you have to spend that money in the right places. like you said, a good screen resolution, decent peripherals support, etc. will improve the overall computing experience of most casual users much more than a power-sucking quad core CPU. additionally, using low-power processors also extends battery life, which adds a lot more value for the average user than excessive processing power.

the difference between netbooks and conventional desktops/laptops is analogous to the difference between the Lotus design philosophy and Ford & GM's. whereas conventional automakers focus singularly on increasing horsepower and building bigger & heavier engines powering bigger & heavier cars, Lotus understands that by stripping out unnecessary glut & excess, you can produce a leaner more agile vehicle using minimal power from a very modest-sized engine. and by trying to decrease the curb weight of a vehicle rather than mindlessly stacking on more horse power, you increase the speed & acceleration of the car without compromising its handling characteristics, resulting in superior overall performance. likewise, even though netbooks use more modest processors they're still more responsive than conventional systems because they're optimized in the right places.

Re:Not underpowered - more like underfeatured (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 5 years ago | (#25772335)

The real reason, in many cases, that people upgrade has more to do with software than with hardware. Once your stock consumer Windows install has picked up a case of free smileys disease, a grab bag of oddball viruses and spyware, an expired version of norton fighting to the death with mcafee, and a bit of general bitrot it is virtually unusable.

Your basic geek wouldn't have let it get that way in the first place, and could easily restore it if necessary; but if you are clueless, have almost certainly lost your restore disks(assuming they ever existed, you definitely didn't go through the procedure to burn them yourself, if required), it will cost you almost as much to hire somebody to fix your present computer as it would to just buy a shiny new one. It is wasteful; but not all that irrational in economic terms.

Re:Not underpowered - more like underfeatured (0, Redundant)

Drinking Bleach (975757) | more than 5 years ago | (#25769583)

Hey, my low-budget laptop is a dual core amd64, I'm not complaining (especially since it's my main computer, heh...)! Ironic that it shipped with 32-bit Vista, but I wiped that without ever booting the damn thing anyway, and I run Debian/amd64.

Re:Not underpowered - more like underfeatured (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25769621)

an underrated fact is that many users eventually get the feeling that they're stuck with an underpowered laptop

18 months after you've bought it, all computers feel a bit underpowered...

Re:Not underpowered - more like underfeatured (1)

bazorg (911295) | more than 5 years ago | (#25769795)

It'd be nice to have a firewire port (I have a FW video camera and external drives)

2 USB ports should be enough for everyone

--- S. Jobs

Much higher prices + underfeatured == fail (3, Insightful)

Morgaine (4316) | more than 5 years ago | (#25769939)

You're right about the "underfeatured" angle, but that's only visible now because of the ever-rising prices of these devices.

What happened in netbooks to cause this is that Asus did a "bait and switch" on consumers. (And of course all other manufacturers followed.)

The original Eee PC was announced at a very low price, almost competing with the increased price of the OLPC, but ever since then the company has been adding features and raising model prices to the point where this product series is no longer the same thing, but is now a low-end laptop instead. And when compared against a low-end laptop, it's clearly underfeatured.

This is inevitable, because the whole point of netbooks was long battery life, low weight and low prices, and you can't have any of those when extra features suck power, add weight and raise cost!

So yes, this whole market niche is in danger of becoming a dodo, but it's entirely due to crummy marketting / product design moving the price point upwards instead of downwards. At $150 or $120, lack of features becomes irrelevant or even a bonus, since it extends battery life.

Re:Much higher prices + underfeatured == fail (1)

lysergic.acid (845423) | more than 5 years ago | (#25771349)

what they should have done is kept the original specs or design goals, which really catered well to the casual computing market which most consumers fall into, but also add higher end netbooks that are purposed for specific market niches. that way you keep the baseline netbook for the average non-technical user, but also provide higher-end netbooks that aren't just low-end laptops.

for instance, a purpose-driven netbook for college students might be a netbook-based tablet for note-taking, or perhaps incorporate an e-ink display for displaying e-books. instead of having to lug around 50 lbs of books all over campus you could have all your textbooks stored on your low-power, extended battery-life netbook.

a netbook model for graphic design students/professionals might also include a tablet interface in addition to a GPU specialized for graphic design applications (higher display resolution, image transsizing, sub-pixel antialiasing, NURBS, motion blurs, etc.). the idea of a netbook for graphic designers might seem counterintuitive since most 2D graphic design applications simply rely on ever-increasing clock speeds to improve performance, but with Photoshop CS4 Adobe has begun to experiment with GPU-accelerated graphic design. since GPUs can be highly specialized for a particular application, powerful multi-core CPUs with ridiculous clock speeds are no longer a necessity.

by using specialized hardware and purpose-driven design, it should be possible to create relatively cheap & low power netbooks that provide good performance in specific applications. IMO it's better to have a specialized system that performs well in one or two applications rather than a mediocre general-purpose system.

Re:Much higher prices + underfeatured == fail (1)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 5 years ago | (#25773157)

> What happened in netbooks to cause this is that Asus did a "bait and switch" on consumers.

That was more a case of ASUS found itself in a Nintendo situation, where they could sell every unit they could produce except in this case they had two lines, the 700 series and the 900 series. If you can sell everything you can build do you build the cheap ones or the more expensive (and likely higher margin) boxes? Now consider the dollar was way down last year, LCD availibility was spotty and batteries were even hard to come by. All that pretty much killed off the $200 original target price. But note that all those factors have shifted again and they are going to try again next year.

And if they don't the generic Chinese shops are starting to push product. One company says they will sell ya ARM based netbooks for $89 wholesale, f.o.b. Hong Kong in quantity 1000. The dam will eventually break and the sub $200 netbook market will get flooded with products. And features will improve annually and prices will creep ever lower towards the $100 retail pricepoint. The world changes during that process in ways that terrify most of the current IT players, which is why it is being held off as long as possible but their day is passing. Computers are about to become consumer electronics, low margin mass merchandised disposable. Nobody can say exactly what sort of unexpected changes that upheaval brings with it. The ruin of Microsoft is the first likely result. But we might not like some of the other results.

Re:Not underpowered - more like underfeatured (2, Interesting)

AsnFkr (545033) | more than 5 years ago | (#25770417)

Some people will want more CPU power for ... games? Who knows...

Hi def video playback. I download everything in x264 these days as it looks amazing on my TV, but from time to time I want to take something with me to watch on my laptop and would like to be able to do so without down-converting the video first.

Re:Not underpowered - more like underfeatured (1)

Jorophose (1062218) | more than 5 years ago | (#25771721)

Again, blame Microsoft.

People want XP on these. Microsoft will only sell them it if it has a screen smaller than 1280x768 (I think that was the requirement... maybe 1024x768), with 1GB of RAM or less, and a single-core 1.6GHz CPU.

So until some OEM gets their shit in gear and gives the gorilla a swift kick to the balls we're not getting better netbooks.

I loved the netbook concept. Microsoft killed it already. It's over guys.

AMD realises this. They're going to make cheap light notebooks. So what if Vista/Win7 is preloaded on it? It can run it so the clueless won't care, the more informed will put XP/Linux/w.e, and everyone goes home happy with a low-power, low-cost, good-to-high-performance AMD64 CPU and hopefully some crazy Radeon card, in a slim 13" package for 500$-600$.

Alternatively, we should be looking at a super-sized nVidia Tegra. Think Tegra with 8 or 16 cores, half of them GeForcen, the other half typical CPUs. Or VIA Nano + nVidia GeForce (although it's a totally badass platform, being x86 means it can be poisoned). Or Sun Niagara. If Sun could just get its act together, they could sell a 4-core UltraSPARC (T1 or T2, whichever works best) that hopefully would be running in the tens/low-20s W maximum power range for the entire package and an SSD, with a 10"-13" screen.

HP at least is showing some balls. It's still an Atom but the new HP netbooks (they are not the mininote/2133. it is a crime against those godly netbooks to call the new ones that.) have like 2GB of RAM, 8GB SSDs, ship with Linux, sell for 379$ USD. I'm wondering if they have a Nano/GeForce combo set for the near future in the 2133's case.

Article forgets to Intel ULV and LV (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25769339)

There is already a player in the ultraportable market: Intel Ultra Low Voltage (ULV), which currently powers all the sleek models from Apple, Toshiba, Sony, Thinkpad, etc.

Article says, "Delivering a more powerful dual-core processor (such as AMD's Conesus) for this segment would also turn some heads".

Sorry, if you deliver a more powerful processor at a higher TDP, you are no longer in the ultraportable segment, per se. The AMD Conesus will not fit into Macbook Air or its competitors. Instead, it will go for the slightly larger but still small laptops, where Intel is again already the dominant player with its LV (Low Voltage) CPU.

Note, Intel with its superior process technology and power management tends to be more competitive in both segments than it is in the standard desktop/notebook space.

Re:Article forgets to Intel ULV and LV (1)

wild_berry (448019) | more than 5 years ago | (#25769903)

The best source for the netbook implications of the information released at this Financial Analyst Day is http://www.notebooks.com/2008/11/13/live-at-amds-financial-analyst-day-2008/ [notebooks.com] and the author notes, towards the bottom, that AMD concede they can't compete with the highest battery life available from their competitors. (As an aside, it bugs me that AMD can do a die shrink or improve their chip steppings and get a better performance-per-watt figure than Intel, but can't put that all together in a competitive mobile CPU, chipset, video and wireless combination.)

Re:Article forgets to Intel ULV and LV (3, Interesting)

evilbessie (873633) | more than 5 years ago | (#25770105)

now incorperate the chipset, well northbridge, into the TDP, AMD is not that far off so it really does come down to AMDs performance at this power level. And if they can ship machines sub 2lb with 12-14" screens for $800 that's a big saving on the $2000 you'd pay for this sort of vaio. What with ATi becoming a force again in graphics and proving to be more power efficient than recent nVidia offerings this might become more interesting than you suggest.

What's between a netbook and a traditional laptop? (1)

iampiti (1059688) | more than 5 years ago | (#25769353)

I see by the slashdot summary that they mean 12 in. or 13 in. ultraportables. Yes, as they say, they're expensive but in my limited undestanding I think it's because the design, material and certain components (e.g.: ultra slim dvd drives)..not because the processor.
So is there a market for this kind of processor? Only time will tell but I don't think so.

AMD - making shit no one wants, yet again (-1, Troll)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 5 years ago | (#25769569)

is there a market between notebooks and desktops? what the hell are they planning, something too big to carry around yet not powerful enough to run everything?

Re:AMD - making shit no one wants, yet again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25769603)

I was about to say "RTFA", but as you didn't even manage to read the title properly I don't know what to say...

Re:AMD - making shit no one wants, yet again (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25769633)

Yes, no one want somethings in between notebooks and desktops.
Because AMD actually knows it's shit, it designed this Conesus chip for the market in between notebooks and _netbooks_.

Re:AMD - making shit no one wants, yet again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25772611)

They should be aiming between netbooks and mobile phones.

AMD Procesor (-1, Offtopic)

harrry (1402723) | more than 5 years ago | (#25769581)

AMD is the second-largest global supplier of microprocessors based on the x86 architecture after Intel Corporation, and the third-largest supplier of graphics processing units. It also owns 21 percent of Spansion, a supplier of non-volatile flash memory. In 2007, AMD ranked eleventh among semiconductor manufacturers in terms of revenue. Harry Best Social Bookmarking [widecircles.com]

Re:AMD Procesor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25771745)

Slashdot puts rel="nofollow" on user-provided links, you fucking n00b. Also, who searches for "best social bookmarking"?

Eh.. (1)

XTrollX (1398725) | more than 5 years ago | (#25770137)

I'm 50/50 on this one. Here's why. I think it's good that AMD is venturing into new territories and trying to make a statement, but at the current time I think they need to hold whats been keeping them afloat now for years. Their servers. Now that Nehalem (Or Core i7) is released and is threatening that market AMD needs to come out with something big to keep Intel down. Once the server market is secured then I think they should go full steam ahead into the netbook market.

Re:Eh.. (1)

badkarmadayaccount (1346167) | more than 5 years ago | (#25779393)

THey, along with sun micro have the umpf for the server market, but commodity hardware is eating it up, so its actualy good they are going while the going is good. Besides, I'd fancy a single core 1.6 GHz SPARC laptop with a decent radeon and solaris (Nexenta) ;)

amd has better chipsets then what intel uses with (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 5 years ago | (#25770503)

amd has better chipsets then what intel uses with nano put in a low end one with 64 - 128 side port ram and then you have nice low end chip set that is much much been then the out of data POS that intel used with the nano.

I've got an even better idea. (1)

crhylove (205956) | more than 5 years ago | (#25771715)

Just go CHEAP. I mean CHEAP. Very few people I know need anything more than Windows XP (or a similar Linux Distro), and Firefox and a handful of other apps that really do not require much processing power. I mean, as a nerd and slashdot junkie, I like a powerful computer and games and all that jazz, but mom really just does email, and occasionally surfs youtube or wikipedia.

Build her a laptop that costs less than $200, and she'll buy several. So will everyone.

underpowered? (1)

JeanBaptiste (537955) | more than 5 years ago | (#25774119)

I have an asus EEE 900, and I run sql server, visual studio, and world of warcraft on it. They all work just fine.

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