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LHC Repair To Cost At Least $21 Million

kdawson posted more than 5 years ago | from the black-holes-don't-come-cheap dept.

Bug 163

ThanatosMinor writes "September's quench at the Large Hadron Collider is going to cost CERN at least $21 million and delay future collisions until June of 2009 at the earliest. Enjoy your last few months outside of an event horizon."

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First ouch! (-1, Redundant)

Loibisch (964797) | more than 5 years ago | (#25800363)

ouch... :(

Re:First ouch! (1, Flamebait)

somersault (912633) | more than 5 years ago | (#25800395)

Enjoy your last few months outside of an event horizon.

I thought all /. readers by now (especially those keeping up with news on the LHC like this guy) would know that the black holes created by this thing will evaporate before being able to do any damage (which would take a long time anyway given how small they would be). What's with the scaremongering, ThanatosMinor? Are you trying to use the "last few months on earth" gag to pick up insecure chicks?

Re:First ouch! (5, Funny)

Andr T. (1006215) | more than 5 years ago | (#25800451)

That would be lame. Imagine this dialogue:

Nerd guy: 'And then, we will be stuck in the event horizon and...'

Beautiful girl: 'Damn... So I have to use all the time that I have to make sex to all those non-nerd guys over there. Bye!'

Re:First ouch! (5, Funny)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 5 years ago | (#25800661)

That would be lame. Imagine this dialogue:

Nerd guy: 'And then, we will be stuck in the event horizon and...'

Beautiful girl: 'Damn... So I have to use all the time that I have to make sex to all those non-nerd guys over there. Bye!'

No you've got it all wrong. Its 'And then, we will be stuck in the event horizon, but with my new flux capacitor I can bring two person through into a parallel universe across the twenty-fifth dimension. One of them has to be me, because only I can control it and I was thinking perhaps you... but no it would mean staying in a confined space without light for hours

several hours later: Gosh this parallel world is the one just like ours but where the laws of physics are different enough that the LHC didn't make a black hole'

Re:First ouch! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25801013)

I can see that you have given this matter altogether too much consideration.

Re:First ouch! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25802851)

but with my new flux capacitor I can bring two person through into a parallel universe across the twenty-fifth dimension

I can see that you have given this matter altogether too much consideration.

Still I'm not sure on what he means with a "flux capacitor".
Does he mean a "fictional electronic device", "an illegal drug" or "male genitalia".

Re:First ouch! (1)

ari_j (90255) | more than 5 years ago | (#25801747)

You fool, a flux capacitor won't get you out of the black hole. You need to find a crack in the event horizon [memory-alpha.org] and then you can simply walk out.

Re:First ouch! (1)

Bozzio (183974) | more than 5 years ago | (#25802257)

That seems like flawless reasoning.
What's the problem here?

Reverse polarity, lower shields, increase tachyon bursts, invert phase shifting, and, of course, divert power.

All flawless reasoning.

Re:First ouch! (1)

ari_j (90255) | more than 5 years ago | (#25802283)

You forgot the warp particles, not to mention two other important ingredients: total disregard for any kind of science and rape of my childhood.

Re:First ouch! (1)

jobsagoodun (669748) | more than 5 years ago | (#25802721)

Reverse polarity, lower shields, increase tachyon bursts, invert phase shifting, and, of course, divert power.

No, no no, CROSS THE BEAMS !

Re:First ouch! (1)

flewp (458359) | more than 5 years ago | (#25800973)

I love how your sig fits the scenario you describe so perfectly.

Re:First ouch! (1)

berwiki (989827) | more than 5 years ago | (#25801279)

mod up for saying 'make sex' and causing me to think she was Vietnamese or something.

Re:First ouch! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25800669)

I thought all /. readers by now could recognize humor.

Re:First ouch! (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 5 years ago | (#25800681)

You'd be mistaken. If he included a wink or something to suggest that he wasn't a moron who actually was worried about the possibility of a black hole, then it might have been very slightly funnier than something that isn't at all funny.

Re:First ouch! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25801267)

Sounds like a case of "A joke isn't funny if it needs to be explained."

Re:First ouch! (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 5 years ago | (#25802083)

I got that it could be a joke while reading, but I've also seen a lot of people who are atually worried about black holes (I was one until I read some informative comments and links here on /. ).

Re:First ouch! (1)

Palshife (60519) | more than 5 years ago | (#25802589)

Seconded.

Re:First ouch! (1)

richien6 (1406455) | more than 5 years ago | (#25800887)

NOOO!!!
There's a theory (or something) that says that positron--stuff left over from the stripped-protons colliding--are actually happening quite frequently in nature when they are brought to Earth by the Sun's -thingys-, and so this artificial recreation will not form a Black Hole.
Thank you Popular Science :D

Re:First ouch! (3, Funny)

cgenman (325138) | more than 5 years ago | (#25801149)

Exactly. Besides, the live webcam [cyriak.co.uk] looks fine.

Re:First ouch! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25802513)

Hmm. I thought you were talking about LHC not LSD.

Re:First ouch! (1)

FunkyELF (609131) | more than 5 years ago | (#25802569)

which would take a long time anyway given how small they would be

I heart 5 years. I heard that it starts out so small but grows at some crazy rate such that it would be undetectable for 5 years passing through and orbiting our planet. Then we would have 2 minutes of what feels like an earthquake, then we get sucked into another dimension (after being crushed to death).

Re:First ouch! (3, Insightful)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 5 years ago | (#25802805)

I thought all slashdot moderators, by now, would be savvy to the practice of replying to a fp in order to get comments listed earlier in a discussion.

And I also thought that most slashdot posters would be savvy to the use of tongue-in-cheekery... which assumes that the reader actually knows what's going on (which, if they are a regular slashdot reader, they should).

Seriously. Whoosh.

I'm starting to believe... (5, Funny)

Andr T. (1006215) | more than 5 years ago | (#25800387)

Re:I'm starting to believe... (1)

Z80a (971949) | more than 5 years ago | (#25800407)

but that would not cause something like a "invisible force field" that protects the sub particles of being formed instead of lets say the whole thing break down?

Re:I'm starting to believe... (1)

Andr T. (1006215) | more than 5 years ago | (#25800503)

The article says:

The study is authored by Holger Nielsen and Masao Ninomiya, who argue that the very particles the LHC produces will prevent the accelerator from ever being used. Harvard post-doc and CERN collaborator Kevin Black relates their argument to the grandfather paradox - that a particle like the Higgs boson goes back in time and prevents its own birth (i.e. the future changes the events of the present).

...and...

As evidence, they provide the failed Superconducting Super Collider, which Congress canned in 1993 after spending $2 billion on the project.

Re:I'm starting to believe... (2, Interesting)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 5 years ago | (#25801795)

And Higgs is known as the God particle. Maybe God is stopping the construction of this modern Tower of Babel.

When Memes Collide (3, Funny)

monkeyboythom (796957) | more than 5 years ago | (#25802149)

This is not the Sarah Conner you are looking for.

This message brought to you by Speedy Boson Delivery Service -- "If it's not there by yesterday, it will never be there."

Re:I'm starting to believe... (3, Funny)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 5 years ago | (#25800527)

This reminds me of my early childhood, when I bet my sister that no matter how many of her cookies she gave me I'd be able to eat them all.

Re:I'm starting to believe... (-1, Troll)

aliquis (678370) | more than 5 years ago | (#25800537)

Maybe the religion-abusing freaks got it right: "God hates fags!"

(S)He couldn't accept the large hardon collisions.

(I'm trying to be funny, not flamebaiting fags, the religion-abusing freaks, ateists or your average christian. I like you all (or well, not really group 2 or 4, but let's pretend.))

Re:I'm starting to believe... (2, Informative)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 5 years ago | (#25800559)

We don't appreciate that kind of racism around here.

Re:I'm starting to believe... (1)

Kokuyo (549451) | more than 5 years ago | (#25800631)

Okay, I'll bite... from all the bad stuff you could have chosen to call that post, how on earth did you end up on 'racist'?

Re:I'm starting to believe... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25800767)

Maybe he's saying Switzerland's people are fags.

Re:I'm starting to believe... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25801445)

GPs answer: Yeah, don't make much sense considering a homosexual race would die out :)

Or maybe he mean people who belive in god? But that disease seem to have spread over lots of races.

Re:I'm starting to believe... (1)

Firkragg14 (992271) | more than 5 years ago | (#25801761)

I think what he means is that the name in the article should have been "Kevin African American"

Re:I'm starting to believe... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25800607)

I'm trying to be funny

FAIL. Sorry.

Gman (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25800845)

..it has to be Gman..

Re:I'm starting to believe... (1)

Metasquares (555685) | more than 5 years ago | (#25801269)

Wouldn't that theory also prevent stars from forming?

Re:I'm starting to believe... (1)

leuk_he (194174) | more than 5 years ago | (#25801595)

Such large project are automatically going to have delays. that is easy to predict.

Everyone working in a project knows that the most sure way to make a project go late is to add people. On the LHC thousends of scientists are working. SOmeone wil decalre it will be ready in june, but in reality it will not be fully functional the next years.

Don't worry. It will not make sense unless you work in that particulare field for the next decades.

Too late. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25800389)

We are already in another reality! They ran it and in this reality it won't work and therefore we're stuck here! I have proof! I'm not crazy! In another reality, I have an account and my user # is double digit! In my reality, get this, the US is a capitalist country and the President elect is white!

That's a bargain for a doomsday device! (4, Funny)

erroneus (253617) | more than 5 years ago | (#25800415)

Professor Farnsworth's doomsday devices are a lot more expensive and they haven't even been invented yet!

Re:That's a bargain for a doomsday device! (1)

neoform (551705) | more than 5 years ago | (#25801757)

How can you tell it's more expensive? Earthican Dollars also don't exist yet..

When its back up... (3, Funny)

oodaloop (1229816) | more than 5 years ago | (#25800427)

...they should fire that thing at a small gold pin. What could possibly go wrong?

Re:When its back up... (4, Funny)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 5 years ago | (#25800629)

...they should fire that thing at a small gold pin. What could possibly go wrong?

We slay an indeterminate number of dancing angels?

I mean, if they're line dancing, then fair enough.

Hey! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25800439)

What ever happened to real bulletin-board systems?

          First off, I'd like to make it perfectly clear that I cannot
be objective in these notes. These are observations, but they
are from 1) a Sysop
            2) a user of 8BBS, the greatest BBS ever evolved
            3) a boy ... who's become a boyish programmer
            4) an old timer....1977 was when I first started
                  using BBS systems.
            5) the author of a BBS system

    If you're expecting objectivity, then don't bother reading on. I have a
rather unique perspective on the entire BBS scene. I've been around since close
to the beginning, and I'm wondering what has happened. Have BBS's gone the way
of CB? Is the entire system in a slump? Is there anything wrong at all?

    I'm going to try to present these questions and show how things have
changed...for the better, and for the worst.

HISTORY:

    A long time ago, in a city far-far away, two men had an insight. Ward
Christensen and Randy Suess wanted a way to leave notes and messages to their
programmer/engineer friends. Back then, modems were used by field-engineers and
some high-level executives to talk to their companies computers. A 300 baud
modem was extremely fast, as most people were using 110 baud TeleTypes. Ward
and Randy devloped the concept of the BBS. They called it CBBS, for "Computer
Bulletin Board System." CBBS was the first of its kind. It was an enormous
program written in 8080 assmebly language. By our standards today, it was
kludgy and bug-ridden, but back then it was heavenly. Users could enter
messages and read messages... that was about it.

    CBBS was a wonderful concept, but it was localized to the Chicago area. Ward
and Randy were the only ones who were running the program. Then Bill Blue came
along and wrote ABBS, which was designed to "emulate" the CBBS system. I feel
it was ABBS, rather than CBBS which made the real breakthrough. While ABBS was
much less powerful, and more difficult to use, it could be run on a "universal"
machine: --The Apple ][--

    Anyone with an Apple ][ and a D.C. Hayes MM][ modem could run ABBS. This
program could be installed in a matter of minutes, and anyone could have their
own bulletin board system. Soon after the release of ABBS, several other BBS
programs (for various computers) soon followed. ABBS was the king for many
years, just because there were more ABBS systems than any other BBS program
available.

    It is this time that I would like to refer to as the "Golden age of the BBS."
It wasn't as golden as you might think. Most Sysops would come home every
evening from work to find that their BBS had crashed because of yet another bug.
Even back then, user's logged in under false names and left obscene messages.

    The one point that made that age golden was the users. Without users, a BBS
is just a program. With users, it gains a personality, and if I may be
metaphysical, a soul. The users MAKE the BBS. A Sysop may have the greatest
BBS program in the world, but without active users, he just has a computer
wasting line-current.

LIFE IN THE "GOLDEN AGE"

    A user would think nothing of spending his Saturday helping "The Sysop" find
an intermittant bug in the BBS program.

    A user would not only answer his or HER mail, but also butt into other
people's conversations and throw in his/her two cents worth.

    A user would suggest improvements to make the system easier to use.

    A Sysop would care for his BBS like a baby. He'd spend 2 hours each night
writing messages and playing with modifications to the program.

    A Sysop would NOT restrict conversation to one particular topic...such as CP/M
software.

    A Sysop would tolerate kids who were just learning how to use modems. He'd
even give them a hand getting things working.

    A Sysop would [on his own preference] dilligently weed out obscene or
"pseudo-illegal" messages, -- or -- promote them as he saw fit.

    Users would start clubs, such as the well known "Gabber Gang" and later the
infamous "Phone Phriekers" who figured so prominently into BBS history.

    The government didn't try to restrict BBS users. It was just "us" against
tyranny (at that time "Ma Bell"). Although most users did not approve of "Phone
Phrieking", everyone talked about it, and was interested in it for curiosity
sake if nothing else. [Hard to believe, but true.]

    Uploading and downloading of programs did not exist.

    BBS's were few and far between. When I wrote the OxGate, the two closest
other CP/M based machines were Kelly Smith in Simi Valley (375 miles away), and
"Jim C" in Larkspur (100 miles away). People tended to congregate on the local
system.

    WHAT HAS KILLED BBS SYSTEMS:

    1) Program uploading and downloading. People just get their programs and
leave.

    2) The technical clique's retaliation against "gabbers" who just used the
systems for personal communication.

    3) Too many BBS systems in one area. BBS's are still alive and healthy in
low-density areas.

    4) The loss of "anonimity" among BBS users. The BBS used to be the place to
escape. Where no one had to be "themselves." Users such as "James Bond" and
"Captain Scarlet" were given free reign to vent their fantasies. Today, most
systems do not allow false names so they can keep track of users.

    5) The anti-hacker movement. More and more people today think the word
"hacker" means "phone phriek/computer crasher." All it ever meant was "great
programmer." You would feel proud if someone labeled you a "hacker."

    6) The press' ignorance of the BBS community. By trying to make a scandal out
of all of it, they ruined a great form of communication. In particular, the
magazine "InfoWorld" has done more harm to the BBS community than other press
organization. While they actively TRIED to HELP the community, they have caused
more harm in their mis-reporting of info.

    7) Sysop's ignorance. Quite frankly, the average quality of "Sysop" has
dropped. Sysop's are (on the whole) less active and less responsive than 5
years ago. More and more of them are technically incompetent, they couldn't fix
a bug if it bit them in the nose.

    All of these problems are inter-related. We can't solve any of them until all
of them are solved. From my descriptions it should be obvious that the "golden
age" certainly wasn't all gold. People like "James Bond" and "Sam Daniels" had
to be stopped, but the pendulum has swung too far to the opposite side.

    These observations are very general. I've noticed this swing, and it has
taken place on 95% of all of the system's I've called across America. It's sad
that these problems have stabbed us in the back, but it's not too late to try
and bring about a change. I don't have the answers, but maybe these
observations will prompt thought into this death of a virtual "art form" of
communication.

    There is one possible solution to this problem... the acceptance of children
again. For too long we've been kicking off kids (both phyiscal and "kids at
heart"). They've been disruptive, and caused fights galore. Many have even
tried to crash the systems they used.

    "If there's any hope, it lies with the proles." -- George Orwell, _1984_

    Perhaps the thing to do is call a few local Commodore and Apple boards and let
the users know that they're just as welcome on your super-fancy 100mb 2400 baud
RCP/M system as any of your so- called "serious users" . . . "serious users"
who can't even bring themselves to answer their own mail. Saddening.

Re:Hey! (2, Informative)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#25800699)

Wow that's old. But anyway...I'll reply here for the interested. Feel free to mod me offtopic (because I am):

What killed BBSes was none of those things.

1) That's why post/call ratios were invented. Duh.
2) The technical clique were often right there with the gabbers. We talked to the gabbers to pick up chicks. Most of us were successful, too. I went on a few dates. None of them ever turned into anything serious, but it was still fun.
3) Maybe. I lived in an area with lots of BBSes, and I don't think that having a number to choose from was a bad thing.
4) Not sure the 'loss of anonymity' ever occurred 100%. The last BBS I ever signed onto I signed on with a handle. My BBS had handles right up until I took it down in 1992.
6) Yes, the press were a bunch of arrogant pricks who didn't know their ass from a hole in the ground. Don't think they had *that* much impact, though.
7) I tend to agree, but there were also plenty of technically competent sysops, too, and so I don't think that ignorant sysops killed BBSes, either.

Finally, what killed BBSes was cheap, widely available Internet access. After people saw 'Teh Intarweb!!!' BBSes just seemed to pale in comparison.

Perspective (3, Funny)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 5 years ago | (#25800449)

If you worked at the LHC you too would be happy to hear "The repair will cost at least $21 million."... ... If the last comment before that was "Dear God it's all falling appart!".

A sincere request (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25800463)

Dear kdawson,

Please stop submitting sensationalist crap to the main page.

Kind regards,
AC

zzzzzz (3, Funny)

apodyopsis (1048476) | more than 5 years ago | (#25800519)

bbc reported the same thing...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7734251.stm [bbc.co.uk]

I like their quote "The cost of the work will fall within the Cern's existing budget" though it does make me idly speculate on the size of their budget and how large a secret fortress I could build with it....

Re:zzzzzz (4, Insightful)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 5 years ago | (#25800775)

I like their quote "The cost of the work will fall within the Cern's existing budget" though it does make me idly speculate on the size of their budget and how large a secret fortress I could build with it...

14 million quid is the price of a decent footballer. It's really not that much money at all. CERN's total budget runs to something like £700 million per year.

CERN's budget (2, Interesting)

andre.david (1373517) | more than 5 years ago | (#25800791)

CERN's budget is not secret at all. It is something like 800 million EUR per year.

What intrigues me is that the numerical value has remained the same, despite inflation eating up its worth through the years...

Re:zzzzzz (4, Funny)

marcosdumay (620877) | more than 5 years ago | (#25800905)

"how large a secret fortress I could build with it...."

You'll can probably build some undergroung fortress with some 20km or 30km of radius, I guess. With a doomsday machine still on budget!

Erm (4, Funny)

sleeponthemic (1253494) | more than 5 years ago | (#25800535)

Large Hadron Forever?

Re:Erm (3, Funny)

Gibberx (631490) | more than 5 years ago | (#25802491)

You should see a doctor about that. It shouldn't persist for more than 4 hours.

Gotta love the flamebait tag... (3, Insightful)

Pluvius (734915) | more than 5 years ago | (#25800545)

Complete sense-of-humor failure over there. It's also in a couple of the above replies.

Rob

Need funding? "Hey, who's got a spare wrench?" (4, Insightful)

maillemaker (924053) | more than 5 years ago | (#25800579)

Great work if you can get it. Need 20 million in funding? Drop a wrench into something that looks complicated. :)

Re:Need funding? "Hey, who's got a spare wrench?" (1)

Dorkmaster Flek (1013045) | more than 5 years ago | (#25800925)

Why not? They can afford to spend that much every minute on Iraq.

Re:Need funding? "Hey, who's got a spare wrench?" (3, Funny)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 5 years ago | (#25801111)

Yes, but compare results! Bush succeeded in turning Iraq into a black hole, sucking in blood, money, and the least important thing, his reputation, the LHC has yet to create any!

Re:Need funding? "Hey, who's got a spare wrench?" (1)

aproposofwhat (1019098) | more than 5 years ago | (#25801571)

Q: Whats the difference between GW Bush and Hoover?

One sucks, the other sells vacuum cleaners?

Re:Need funding? "Hey, who's got a spare wrench?" (1)

shicaca (899698) | more than 5 years ago | (#25802453)

Yeah the only problem is that it's cost him billions of dollars to do the same thing. With the LHC we're at least getting more bang for the buck! ... or more suck for the buck Although Bush sucks pretty hardcore himself.

Re:Need funding? "Hey, who's got a spare wrench?" (1)

R2.0 (532027) | more than 5 years ago | (#25801835)

Tell me - what are you three going to do after January 20, 2009? What will fill the gigantic void in your life and ability to express thoughts and feelings? Because, sooner or later, people are going to get tired of the constant, droning, repetitive rant that makes up your daily existence...Oh, wait - that's already happened.

Damn those scientists! (4, Insightful)

Lord Bitman (95493) | more than 5 years ago | (#25800633)

They should have planned for this kind of thing and taken it into account, like by having a few months of performing shake-down tests and finding any problems then!

Oh, wait...

I bet they are just stalling because they don't (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25800639)

want to admit that Carmen Sandiego managed to steal the whole thing.

Re:I bet they are just stalling because they don't (1)

NoisySplatter (847631) | more than 5 years ago | (#25801189)

I think it's slightly more likely that Waldo accidentally the whole thing and they can't find him to ask he did with it.

Re:I bet they are just stalling because they don't (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25801783)

You accidentally the verb.

Re:I bet they are just stalling because they don't (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25801569)

She told me she would go to a place where the kangaroos live.

CERN, thanks for the birthday gift! (1)

Tokimasa (1011677) | more than 5 years ago | (#25800647)

They are gonna get me a black hole for my birthday!

Re:CERN, thanks for the birthday gift! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25800719)

Yep, his name is Bubba.

-CERN

Re:CERN, thanks for the birthday gift! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25800749)

It'll be the greatest fireworks display you were ever embedded in.

(Yes, I know nothing will happen, don't worry your stupditity-detectors)

Dimensions (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25800667)

The parallel universes in which the LHC works without failure are already wiped out by the LHC, that's why any concious being, like you, can only be in a universe in which the LHC fails!

so it's a race... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25800677)

Which will completely implode first: the planet's economy or the planet itself?

If the economy goes first then there'll be no money for LHC. If the planet goes first it will be a significant disruption to normal economic activity.

Lies Kill (4, Insightful)

radtea (464814) | more than 5 years ago | (#25800789)

"The media portrayal of the LHC experiments has been branded as irresponsible and sensationalist by psychologists - especially since the death of a 16-year-old Indian girl, who killed herself after being distressed by the coverage on an Indian news channel." [trinitynews.ie]

The threat to human life from people like KDawson posting sensationalist anti-LHC garbage to places like /. is real and documented. At least one person has actually, demonstrably died due to the precise behaviour that KDawson is exhibiting on this story.

The supposed threat from the LHC, on the other hand, is a fantasy made up and promoted by irresponsible, money-hungry media shills like KDawson to sell ads.

The LHC is safe. People like KDawson kill.

actually (5, Insightful)

Reality Master 201 (578873) | more than 5 years ago | (#25801193)

At least one person has killer herself because she went into an irrational panic, and did something stupid and rash. That's often a sign of psychological problems.

Yeah, the media coverage has been sensationalist and dumb. But it didn't kill anyone.

Re:Lies Kill (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25801389)

Stupidity kills. That's ridiculous, claiming that he could kill people. You know what? I don't much like kdawson either, but anyone that kills themselves because they were told the world was going to end deserves a some kind of nationally recognised award for being a fucking moron.

Her own abject stupidity, her appalling lack of critical thinking skills killed her. She killed herself because of a doomsday claim that she could've found to be false in an hour, if she actually bothered to evaluate it. She would've found that there have been thousands of doomsday claims over thousands of years, and that every single one was without merit. Ascertaining what is true is a necessary part of life. She failed because she was a fool, and then made a foolish choice based on a foolish assumption. She was a fool in the first place because her community didn't instill the value of thinking properly. They failed her, her school failed her, her family failed her, and she failed herself. And now she's dead.

Re:Lies Kill (1)

Frank T. Lofaro Jr. (142215) | more than 5 years ago | (#25802865)

She would've found that there have been thousands of doomsday claims over thousands of years, and that every single one was without merit.

Of course every doomsday prediction has proved false. If one had proved true, we wouldn't be here to debate it!

Re:Lies Kill (1)

sssssss27 (1117705) | more than 5 years ago | (#25801423)

I want to know the logic that girl fallowed. I might die so instead I'll kill myself? My math might be a little rusty but I'm pretty sure that even the slimmest chance of living is better than no chance. I imagine I'm going to die someday, guess I should just get it out of the way now....

Re:Lies Kill (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 5 years ago | (#25802517)

I want to know the logic that girl fallowed. I might die so instead I'll kill myself? My math might be a little rusty but I'm pretty sure that even the slimmest chance of living is better than no chance. I imagine I'm going to die someday, guess I should just get it out of the way now....

I think when someone is already irrational, then logic flies out the window. Honestly, I really suspect someone who's already deranged enough to commit suicide (and not seek help about it - there are tons of anonymous support groups/phone lines/etc) was just looking for a reason to do it. Blaming LHC for creating black holes is certainly quite trendy. Better to go out with a bang than a whimper, and get 15 minutes of posthumous fame.

Re:Lies Kill (2, Funny)

totally bogus dude (1040246) | more than 5 years ago | (#25801497)

What's with everyone blaming kdawson? I thought it was a scientifically proven fact that KDawson never, ever reads the stories he publishes here, much less writes them.

Re:Lies Kill (1)

black_lbi (1107229) | more than 5 years ago | (#25801513)

Could it be possible he was only joking? Or is it a woosh for me, and you're mistakenly moded insightful instead of funny?

Re:Lies Kill (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25801653)

You must be new here. Kdawson bashing is just another form of karma whoring. Try it sometime and marvel how your karma points rise.

Re:Lies Kill (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25801651)

People commit suicide for stupider stuff than that almost every day. Mental Illness is a bitch. What's your point?

Re:Lies Kill (1)

Reservoir Penguin (611789) | more than 5 years ago | (#25801715)

According to Wikipedia, at least one technician was killed during the construction of LHC. So, yeah - LHC kills.

Pentagon can pay! (1)

Dersaidin (954402) | more than 5 years ago | (#25800859)

"The Pentagon now spends about $21 million every hour to develop and procure new defense systems."
http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/nov08/6931/2 [ieee.org]

Surely one hour's R&D expenses could be spared for the LHC.

Re:Pentagon can pay! (1)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 5 years ago | (#25801297)

> Surely one hour's R&D expenses could be spared for the LHC.

Unless they're researching a black hole repeller shield, of course.

A dream come true! (2, Funny)

C_Kode (102755) | more than 5 years ago | (#25800929)

Enjoy your last few months outside of an event horizon.

It's been my life long dream to experience an Event Horizon. The only shame is I won't be able to contemplate such a great experience afterwards. ;)

Re:A dream come true! (2, Insightful)

Krupuk (978265) | more than 5 years ago | (#25801209)

Sure you can. You'll have an almost infinite amount of time to contemplate it ;)

I bet they're kicking themselves (5, Funny)

NotQuiteReal (608241) | more than 5 years ago | (#25801011)

for not buying the extended warranty!

Pocket change (4, Informative)

BlueParrot (965239) | more than 5 years ago | (#25801061)

The total cost of the is estimated to be somewhere between 3 billion to 7 billion. A couple of tens of millions will increase the overall cost by less than 1%.

Black Hole Calculation (3, Informative)

KiwiCanuck (1075767) | more than 5 years ago | (#25801275)

I'm guessing that /.'ers know that the LHC is not going to form a black hole. In case you don't here's the math. Mass of a intermediate black hole = 1000x the mass of the sun Mass of the sun = 332,946x the mass of the Earth Mass of the Earth = 6x10^24 kg Therefor mass of black hole = 2x10^(33) kg Mass of a proton = 1.67x10^(-27) kg The crushing force of a black hole is caused by its density, a large mass in a small volume (1000x the mass of the sun in a 1,000km diameter ball -> ~size of the Earth). So flinging around 40 or so protons in a 27km diameter tunnel is not going to destroy our solar system (or reshape the galaxy).

Re:Black Hole Calculation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25802057)

There's speculation that microscopic black holes can be created. As you say, it's only a question of density. Pack enough mass/energy into a tiny space and you get a black hole. It's also speculated that due to Hawking radiation, they'd evaporate before consuming a single electron, but your math is no proof of anything.

Re:Black Hole Calculation (4, Insightful)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 5 years ago | (#25802431)

Whether something is a black hole or not is not determined by mass but by density. In theory, if you can sqeeze the mass into a small enough volume it will collapse into a black hole. No one ever said that any produced black hole will destroy the solar system, let alone impact the galaxy.

The worst case senario is the blackhole spirals through the Earths crust for the next few hundred thousand years, hardly ever absorbing any matter because of its extremely small size. Even if it were to eventually absorb all the matter of the Earth you would have a black hold smaller than the head of a pin, going around the exact same orbit with the exact same amount of gravitational attraction that the earth had.

Of course, this ignores the fact that such a small black hole will almost instantaniously evaporate in a puff of Hawking radiation. It also ignores the fact that most likely the LHC is an order of magnitude too weak to produce the micro black holes at all. Finally, it ignores the fact that neutron stars exist. If the LHC is powerful enough to produce a stable black hole, then cosmic rays hitting neutron stars are too. After a few million years we wouldn't have neutron stars as they would all be converted to black holes.

The point is, there are lots of reasons that the LHC won't destroy the Earth. Not having enough mass to produce a black hole isn't one of them.

Re:Black Hole Calculation (1)

zmooc (33175) | more than 5 years ago | (#25802477)

Disclaimer: IANOF!

Though you're most certainly correct about the LHC not forming a black hole, what you fail to mention, is that at high energies the character of all forces (gravity, electromagnetic etc.) probably becomes equal, like it was at the time of the Big Bang: light is gravity is magnetism etc. Therefore, your assumption that the weight of a proton in rest is a good argument against the LHC becoming a black hole, is wrong. At least, in theory it is.

Re:Black Hole Calculation (1)

cobaltnova (1188515) | more than 5 years ago | (#25802803)

The crushing force of a black hole is caused by its density

The gravitational force (the important force you feel from a black hole) is proportional to its mass. Newton's universal law of gravitation.

The fact that its a black hole doesn't magically give it a strong attractive force (nor does high mass density). Rather, it creates an event horizon from which (kind of) nothing can return, the Shwarzschild Radius [wikipedia.org] . The fact of the matter is, these tiny black holes are too light to attract any particles on their own, and too small to accidentally gobble up things they run into at any appreciable rate. Also, we get higher energy events routinely, so empyrically, we know we are safe (which is a far better argument than all of this theory).

So flinging around 40 or so protons in a 27km diameter tunnel is not going to destroy our solar system (or reshape the galaxy).

This is irrelevant. We care if it reshapes Earth, not the solar system or galaxy.

Ignoramus invents singularities (1)

Peter Bortas (130) | more than 5 years ago | (#25801615)

The time when the black hole jokes was funny has passed. Please move on.

Re:Ignoramus invents singularities (4, Funny)

Andr T. (1006215) | more than 5 years ago | (#25801731)

We can't. We're stuck in the joke horizon.

Best villian of the year. (1)

Icegryphon (715550) | more than 5 years ago | (#25801679)

Yeah there was a group voting in kerrang magazine and tried to make LHC the best villian of 2008. They were doing it for the lulz.

Just as I predicted... (1)

Cougar1 (256626) | more than 5 years ago | (#25801971)

Clearly, they won't really get all of the kinks worked out of this thing until December 2012 (see http://www.december212012.com/ [december212012.com] ).

SPONGE (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25801999)

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they really did it!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25802121)

I guess they really have managed to create an actual black hole!!

I thought Slashdot was smarter than this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25802669)

Holy god people, kdawson's last sentence is just about drowning in sarcasm, but half the people posting are taking it as serious.

What, are we supposed to end things with /sarcasm tags to keep the ridiculously literal from being offended?

black hole? got nukes? no problem! (1)

kj_kabaje (1241696) | more than 5 years ago | (#25802909)

At least if you have a precisely shaped-charge nuke, you just blow it up in front of the black hole. Sheez--everybody knows that.
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