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Oldest Nuclear Family Found Murdered In Germany

kdawson posted more than 5 years ago | from the calling-csi-stone-age dept.

Biotech 186

Pickens writes "The oldest genetically identifiable nuclear family met a violent death, according to analysis of remains from 4,600-year-old burials in Germany where the broken bones of these stone age people show they were killed in a struggle. Comparisons of DNA from one grave confirm it contained a mother, father, and their two children. 'We're really sure, based on hard biological facts not just supposing or assuming,' says Dr. Wolfgang Haak, from The Australian Centre for Ancient DNA. The stone-age people are thought to belong to a group known as the Corded Ware Culture, signified by their pots decorated with impressions from twisted cords. The children and adult males had the same type of strontium in their teeth — which was also found locally, but the nearest match to the women's teeth was at least 50km away, suggesting they had moved to the area. 'They were definitely murdered, there are big holes in their heads, fingers and wrists are broken,' says Dr. Alistair Pike from Bristol University. He noted that one victim even had the tip of a stone weapon embedded in a vertebra. 'You feel some kind of sympathy for them, it's a human thing, somebody must have really cared for them. ... We don't know how hard daily life was back there and if there was any space for love,' added Dr. Haak."

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First! (-1, Offtopic)

troll8901 (1397145) | more than 5 years ago | (#25814617)

Maybe the family was trying to be the "First" to move into a new area?

(I sure hope they are not outcasts! I'd hate to see Outcasting as a core nature of humans.)

How the heck.. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25814625)

How the heck did they survive 4600 years? Was it from all the radiation?? Were they zombies? That is so awesome

Re:How the heck.. (4, Funny)

moteyalpha (1228680) | more than 5 years ago | (#25814685)

I think they were killed for having WMD. They should not have been playing with nuclear material. Even though they were undead nuclear mutant zombies, they should get a decent burial and not be dug up by archaeologists and strangers ever few thousand years.

Re:How the heck.. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25816101)

How is this funny? What does Germany have to do with WMDs?

Isn't the correct inappropriate humor for this situation to speculate that this was a family of Jews?

Ouch (4, Funny)

kitsunewarlock (971818) | more than 5 years ago | (#25814663)

Did anyone else read this as "the woman's teeth were found 50 km away from the rest of her body"? That would be one hell of a sucker-punch!

Re:Ouch (1)

negRo_slim (636783) | more than 5 years ago | (#25814925)

That would be one hell of a sucker-punch!

World record donkey punch [wikipedia.org] perhaps?

Re:Ouch (2, Insightful)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815725)

D to the P, bro.

I'm thinking she just left the teeth in a glass on her night stand.

Seriously, I don't think it's surprising that some catastrophic or violent event caused the oldest "nuclear" family's remains to be found together in the same place.

In face, under what other circumstances would you find the remains of a whole family in one place, except a cemetary, and then most of them would be fully grown?

Re:Ouch (5, Insightful)

mcvos (645701) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815535)

Did anyone else read this as "the woman's teeth were found 50 km away from the rest of her body"? That would be one hell of a sucker-punch!

As if "Nuclear family" wasn't confusing enough.

I thought a family that was famous for something nuclear-related in the '50s had recently been killed.

That's a terrible headline? (1, Offtopic)

Joelfabulous (1045392) | more than 5 years ago | (#25814669)

I figured they were talking about the murder of the, erm, oldest people in Germany living in this current age... So I clicked through out of curiousity, wondering what it might have to do with technology.

Oh well. My curiousity got the better of me and they still got the pageview. Maybe that makes it a good headline... :3

Re:That's a terrible headline? (1, Offtopic)

fan of lem (1092395) | more than 5 years ago | (#25814913)

This is Slashdot sensationalism at its finest.

Re:That's a terrible headline? (3, Informative)

zeromorph (1009305) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815031)

I cherish your slashdot bashing but here the BBC [bbc.co.uk] is the sensationalist:

Oldest nuclear family 'murdered'
By Julian Siddle
Science Reporter, BBC News

The oldest genetically identifiable nuclear family met
a violent death, according to analysis of remains from
4,600-year-old burials in Germany.

Re:That's a terrible headline? (1)

totally bogus dude (1040246) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815435)

I think the BBC's headline is a lot more accurate -- certainly it's easier to arrive at "cause of death of ancient remains found to be murder" from reading the Beeb's headline than it is by reading slashdot's interpretation, which pretty clearly says they found a family murdered in Germany.

Re:That's a terrible headline? (1)

mcvos (645701) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815555)

The BBC at least puts quotes around "murdered". Also, "found murdered" sounds to me like it was a recent crime.

Bones (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25814951)

"Oldest Nuclear Family [wikipedia.org] Found Murdered [wikipedia.org] In Germany"

Usually when an anthropologist says "oldest" they mean the oldest evidence of the current topic of discussion. Maybe that and the links above will help you provided you were serious and not joking. They aren't going to be testifying in court over this, so don't need the certification mentioned in the wiki. Make more sense now?

Technology comes from applied science and science advances its store of information with the help of applied technology.

Re:That's a terrible headline? (2, Insightful)

SeaFox (739806) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815337)

I figured they were talking about the murder of the, erm, oldest people in Germany living in this current age... So I clicked through out of curiousity, wondering what it might have to do with technology.

Blah, that's better than me. I was expecting to read about the recent grizzly murder of a family of an elderly couple in their 90's and their seventy-something year old children who were still living with them (but no spouses for the children or third generation). In other words, the family that met the conditions of a nuclear family with the oldest members.

Re:That's a terrible headline? (4, Funny)

1u3hr (530656) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815823)

I was expecting to read about the recent grizzly murder of a family of an elderly couple

That would be startling. There aren't any Grizzly Bears in Europe.

Does the local police have any leads? (4, Funny)

phozz bare (720522) | more than 5 years ago | (#25814671)

The perpetrator of this monstrosity must be caught and brought to justice!

Re:Does the local police have any leads? (1)

dontmakemethink (1186169) | more than 5 years ago | (#25814811)

Grissom is digging out his divining rod [wikipedia.org] as we speak.

Re:Does the local police have any leads? (-1, Troll)

mcrbids (148650) | more than 5 years ago | (#25814821)

*ahem*

That's nukular family to yoozall.

(speaking to wrist microphone)

What's that? We voted an INTELLIGENT presidente - er, president? No, that couldn't be! But what about the - you mean, we're going to follow the law?

*ahem*

The world's oldest known nuclear family...

Re:Does the local police have any leads? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25814845)

The perpetrator of this monstrosity must be caught and brought to justice!

It's ok. We're going to set up internet filters to block any web pages that discuss stone tools, so this sort of crime can never happen again.

Re:Does the local police have any leads? (4, Funny)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 5 years ago | (#25814851)

It looks like our victim is...

(sunglasses)

...stone dead.

(exit)
Yeaaaaaaah!

Re:Does the local police have any leads? (4, Funny)

umghhh (965931) | more than 5 years ago | (#25814903)

I am sure they are working in shifts on this case.

Re:Does the local police have any leads? (0, Offtopic)

martin-boundary (547041) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815065)

And what's the latest on the second slingshotman?

Re:Does the local police have any leads? (1, Funny)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815405)

Ugg slung first.

Re:Does the local police have any leads? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25815029)

It must have been the second oldest nuclear family. They just couldn't stand being second.

Oldest Nuclear Family Found Murdered In Germany (-1, Flamebait)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 5 years ago | (#25814779)

Just goes to show; National character does not change.

MOD PARENT DOWN -1 UNFUNNY WITH BAD TASTE (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25814787)

This is fucked up. MOD THIS SHIT DOWN

fuck lameness filter stupid shit

Re:MOD PARENT DOWN -1 UNFUNNY WITH BAD TASTE (5, Funny)

slart42 (694765) | more than 5 years ago | (#25814915)

I like bad taste.. but then again, I'm German.

Re:MOD PARENT DOWN -1 UNFUNNY WITH BAD TASTE (5, Funny)

zeromorph (1009305) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815133)

But then, the small scale of the atrocity strikes me rather Ungerman, sorry for the taste, I'm German too.

And just for the record, a quotation, attribute, of Margret Thatcher after a German football (soccer) victory:

"They may have beat us at our national game, but we beat them twice at their national game."

Re:MOD PARENT DOWN -1 UNFUNNY WITH BAD TASTE (4, Interesting)

zeromorph (1009305) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815513)

Please forgive me commenting on a moderation, but who am I flaimbaiting here?

Sorry, but we Germans have earned quite a reputation of going large-scale berzerk in the last centuries and every neighbouring country of us has suffered from it. Every sane German knows this and won't argue about this. And, I think, I hope, we changed much of our political attitude during the last sixty years. Making fun of our inglorious history may very well classify for bad taste - and bad jokes doubly so - but how can it be flamebait?

Re:MOD PARENT DOWN -1 UNFUNNY WITH BAD TASTE (2, Insightful)

mcvos (645701) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815589)

Sorry, but we Germans have earned quite a reputation of going large-scale berzerk in the last centuries and every neighbouring country of us has suffered from it.

Exactly. You worked hard for that reputation, so you earned it. I'd hate it if you had to start all over again. (Particularly since I'm one of those neighbours.)

Re:MOD PARENT DOWN -1 UNFUNNY WITH BAD TASTE (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815761)

Don't you understand that political correctness requires us to criticize those who mention any shared ethnic trait in any context not involving a Muslim or Barack Obama?

Re:Oldest Nuclear Family Found Murdered In Germany (-1, Flamebait)

umghhh (965931) | more than 5 years ago | (#25814969)

Well what did you expect from a country that has word 'social' smeared all over their Grundgesetz (basic law i.e. ersatz of the constitution).

It is really off topic here but it is known fact that in modern day Germany having children is a factor contributing greatly to you chances of getting into financial and social trouble. It seems it was always like that. Good thing is - today they do not stone or kill you other way - you just get poor and nobody will employ you if you reveal too much of social burden (family) resting on your shoulder.

Re:Oldest Nuclear Family Found Murdered In Germany (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815769)

Huh?

Re:Oldest Nuclear Family Found Murdered In Germany (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25815971)

Huh?

Ugg zog kam. Zarabak ugug ogzog. Karabash !

Space for love? Sure. (4, Interesting)

Max Romantschuk (132276) | more than 5 years ago | (#25814827)

Love seems to be embedded in the very genetic fabric of mammals on some level. I'm sure there was space for love, in a way that made sense back then anyway.

Space for love, dude (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25814893)

How's this for a tag: spaceforlove. Totally awesome, dude.

Re:Space for love? Sure. (0, Offtopic)

Max Romantschuk (132276) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815103)

To whoever modded me offtopic: How can commenting on something in TFS be off topic?

Re:Space for love? Sure. (0, Offtopic)

Moderatbastard (808662) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815291)

Complaining about moderation usually leads to an offtopic mod, but you got away with that so it's all even. So far.

Re:Space for love? Sure. (-1, Offtopic)

mcvos (645701) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815601)

If you want to get modded up, you'll have to start your post with "I'll probably get modded down for this but...".

Re:Space for love? Sure. (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815821)

Actually, I've seen that plan backfire more than once.

It's best not to try the Serbian Jew Double Bluff when posting for mod points.

[Please note: The above mention of the "Serbian Jew Double Bluff" is not a horrible ethnic slur, it is a reference to an accusation that Cartman makes against Kyle in an episode of South Park. Normally, I would rather piss blood than make this kind of explanatory footnote, but since this thread is a bit of a minefield of correctness, I thought it best to be careful. Fact is, I love all Serbs and Jews and all Internet traditions.]

Re:Space for love? Sure. (3, Interesting)

totally bogus dude (1040246) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815475)

Your off-topic mod sucks, and I hope someone fixes it. It's definitely an interest subject, but I doubt we'll ever really know for sure -- there's only so much you can deduce from fossils. That said, I imagine it would be very different to how we behave today.

Consider that even in our very recent past, most marriages were arranged by the parents or even other members of the society -- anyone who tried to "follow their heart" would've been punished, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if such punishments were pretty extreme like being stoned to death. [bbc.co.uk] (Fair warning: that article is pretty unpleasant.)

I also wonder how long we humans have had the kind of intelligence we have today. 4,000 years isn't a very long time by evolutionary standards, but perhaps intelligence evolves faster? Are the incredible achievements we now take for granted the result of some kind of improvement in our ability to harness the power of the brain, or just a result of slow incremental improvements to our societal organisation? Perhaps it's all down to improved teaching methods and a realisation of its importance?

Re:Space for love? Sure. (4, Insightful)

theaveng (1243528) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815701)

At the time, 2500 B.C., we had already built advanced cultures in Egypt, Greece, and China. This is the era from which we get the great pyramids, the earliest oral legends about a great flood and god mythologies, and the first alphabet (not pictograms, but an actual letter-based form of writing).

I don't think there was any difference in intelligence between them and us... not in such a short span of time.

Not very long ago (1)

Brown (36659) | more than 5 years ago | (#25816269)

These people were almost certainly biologically completely modern humans - 4,600 years ago is pretty much the same time as the great pyramids were being built in ancient Egypt; people had already been farming for something like 5000 years, and city-building for about 3000. In the middle east this time wouldn't have been stone-age, it would have been early Bronze age. Technology and culture may have moved on a lot, but it's only 150 generations or so...

Re:Space for love? Sure. (1)

JasterBobaMereel (1102861) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815975)

Love is built in to get parents stay together long enough to have children and to look after them and to ensure they survive

Bloody murder - or bloody lie? (4, Insightful)

jandersen (462034) | more than 5 years ago | (#25814831)

Murder is a legal construct from relatively modern times; and even the modern definition excludes such things as killing of enemies. The ideas about who is your enemy has shiftet somewhat since that time, I imagine.

It's not THAT modern (1)

Moraelin (679338) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815231)

Actually, we're talking only 4600 years old. Codes of laws included murder in the same age, e.g., in Messopotamia or Egypt.

And even by tribal warfare standards, it sounds as an atrocity. You don't take the time to smash someone's fingers _after_ they're already stone dead. Doing that to women and children? Oooer. (Women used to be taken as spoils of war anyway, since a disproportionately shorter life expectancy gave primitive people -- and by that I mean at least as late as 100 BC Roman Empire! -- a chronic shortage of women.)

I wouldn't be surprised if someone tortured them to death to make them say where they hid their wealth, which they probably didn't even have. Of course, we'll never really know, but as I was saying, I wouldn't be too surprised. Ever since humanity discovered killing each other, suspiciously around the discovery of ranged weaponry, about 20,000 years ago, that's the kind of thing that kept happening.

I wouldn't even chalk it up to "human nature," since I don't think most people were that way. The biggest psychopaths rose to the top like shits in a septic tank, and got others to kill each other for their glory, and the dumbest psychopaths became brigands and thieves and did it personally.

Re:It's not THAT modern (1)

theaveng (1243528) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815889)

The Roman Empire did not exist in 100 B.C. It was still a male-democratic Republic (like the 1800s United States).

Re:It's not THAT modern (1)

Moraelin (679338) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815989)

While that's true, it was the same country, and I'm sure you understand what I'm talking about.

The event I'm talking about is the Battle of Aquae Sextiae of 102 BC, where the Teutones were finally defeated. The Romans demanded that 300 women be handed over to them, as wives. The women asked to be at least allowed to served in the temples instead, but the Romans really wanted wives. The women commited mass suicide.

that subject sounds like a conspiracy lead-in (4, Funny)

Trepidity (597) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815767)

Bloody murder... or bloody LIE? Four mysterious skeletons found with holes in their skulls: join us as we delve into this shocking tale. Archaeologists say they were murdered... but could the truth be far more horrible?

Ambiguity (1)

hcdejong (561314) | more than 5 years ago | (#25814837)

For a moment, I thought Otto Hahn's family had fallen victim to a fanatic bent on turning back the clock of nuclear proliferation....

Care for sure (5, Funny)

Roland Piquepaille (780675) | more than 5 years ago | (#25814841)

it's a human thing, somebody must have really cared for them

Big holes in the head, broken limbs, bits of stone axe in the back? someone must have really cared for them, but in a Charlie Manson sort of way...

Which raises the question: (5, Funny)

overzero (1358049) | more than 5 years ago | (#25814975)

Is that the tip of a stone weapon embedded in your vertebra or are you just happy to see me?

tribalism (1, Troll)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 5 years ago | (#25814949)

they were murdered because they didn't weave their hair the "right" way, or their clothes looked funny

before being glad you don't live in such barbaric times, recall that nationalists and religious bigots rule the age you live in. russians, chinese, indians, americans: plenty of ultranationalists would murder to preserve their tribal geographic region. plenty of muslims would murder christians, plenty of christians would murder muslims

you live in the same era this family was murdered in: a dark age of tribalism. that's all national pride and religious pride is

this world is not at peace until all nations and all religions have been defeated. we are many centuries from that glorious time

Re:tribalism (2, Insightful)

WiiVault (1039946) | more than 5 years ago | (#25814981)

Sounds good on the surface but don't forget that our diversity of religion and state keeps us from a one government 1984 kind of world. Sure we disagree sure every nation has it's share of assholes, but different views and ideas allow todays people to find a culture that works for them and helps provide balance.

what's wrong with one world government? (0, Offtopic)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815015)

i know plenty of people fear or loathe this idea, but why?

what horrendous crime can one world government be capable of that is not already being committed right now, and worse?

lets put it this way: why is democracy such a great form of government? why can't the same template apply to the entire world? why can't government checks and balances work on a world stage like it works on national ones?

one world government is an idea that does not automatically include despotism or communism. so when you react to the idea of one world government, your reaction is invalid if you are really just reacting to your fears of the worst kind of government

Re:what's wrong with one world government? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25815111)

Need help understanding? Apply some Common Sense. [ushistory.org]

Unfortunately the thing history shows the most is how little the human race learns from history.

try reading paine more closely (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815227)

he understands government is a necessary evil

Re:what's wrong with one world government? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25815143)

it's hard to influence governments at a local level, harder at a regional level, almost impossible at a national level (bailouts in th US or Iraq war in the UK for example?). Checks and balances *aren't* working. Try doing it at the multinational level (EU? bwahaha, good luck with that).

At the global level you might as well just spread your legs, grab your ankles and loosen up.

Re:what's wrong with one world government? (-1, Offtopic)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815267)

But it works on Star Trek!

Re:what's wrong with one world government? (1)

ion.simon.c (1183967) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815401)

*grins*

I'd be willing to bet that the removal of scarcity brought on by Replicator technology is a major part of this.
Imagine how *hard* today's businessmen would fight against such a thing. Might they try to wipe it from the face of the Earth in order to sustain their profit margins?

do you live in a democracy? (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815281)

then your vote is but one in millions. your vote should not be worth more than that, nor less than that. what is this influence you speak of? you think you deserve more influence than the next person? i don't understnad your point

Re:what's wrong with one world government? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25815239)

Because if you don't like the "One True World" government, where do you go? I myself have been fortunate enough to find a place where I was not born, where things are dealt with differently. This would be impossible under a worldwide system.

Once there is no competition, no "outside" to peer in, no "inside" to peer out of, all those checks and balances go out the window.

One world government means that the entire world will have to bow down to the lowest common denominator. Look at our "integrated" western societies for a preview of this; everybody is offended by something which means that slowly but surely we are choking ourselves to death to keep everybody from being offended. You don't notice this until you spend a good 10 years outside and come back and it just drains you. Of course, as I mentioned, this would be impossible in a future One World Government scenario.

Oh, and does my negative reaction to a possible "democratic" One World Government also nullify my concerns?

you sound like a drama queen (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815335)

i don't know where you came from or where you went. but assume you left new york and went to vancouver. you could have left new york and gone to chicago and you'd still be escaping whatever melodrama you were running from, and you'd be in the same country

Re:what's wrong with one world government? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25815285)

The argument against one world government is a simple one based on biodiversity. Basically, if that single government is fucked up, we are all screwed. You see that theme in a lot of dystopian scifi. It's the individuals on the fringe--the "savages"--that fight to topple the one world order (e.g., Gattaca, Brave New World).

The advantage of tribalism was that many different groups developed their own cultures, both sustainable and unsustainable, and evolutionary processes weeded out the unsustainable ones (including the violent ones, if you examine tribal history in the Americas).

The advent of larger social groupings like cities and nations, based on the development of totalitarian agriculture, allows the formation of caste systems including "warrior" castes (like the military or the police). Once a social group has enough resources to support a warrior caste it can exert its control upon its neighbors and wipe out more peaceful groups. I would argue that at this point a social group can no longer be called a tribe (which invalidates your original argument about the dangers of tribalism).

We are trending towards one world culture, and the danger is that if this culture is fundamentally flawed (and it's not hard to arrive at that conclusion), the damage caused by its downfall will affect the entire planet rather than an isolated group.

your criticism is invalid (2, Interesting)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815303)

because we all live on one tiny piece of rock. we are already in the same boat. what happens in beijing matters in new york matters in moscow matters in london. regardless of national divisions. there is no law, no border guard that protects you if they screw up rorally in beijing. there is no escaping the consequences of the poor choices someone somewhere else makes. already. regardless of world government or not

and as for culture, we are part of the same culture. human culture. the differences betwen cultures are minimal and arbitrary and ultimately inconsequential

Re:your criticism is invalid (3, Insightful)

Koiu Lpoi (632570) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815721)

and as for culture, we are part of the same culture. human culture. the differences betwen cultures are minimal and arbitrary and ultimately inconsequential

Come visit Japan for a while (or pretty much anywhere that isn't Europe/US etc), and I suspect that your "differences are minimal and arbitrary" idea will fall away pretty quick. We're all human, and we all share that, but there's a LOT different as well.

all of the differences are arbitrary (0)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815789)

go to kabul, go to lesotho, go to la paz, go to anchorage...

what's common?

murder is wrong. respect is important. love is important. rape is wrong. etc. etc. etc.

the sum total of our differences, of any difference you can tell me about japan versus anywhere else in this world, any culture, is trivial and orders of magnitude smaller

than the similarities

Re:all of the differences are arbitrary (1)

Koiu Lpoi (632570) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815939)

Good job, you listed a series of basic human traits. In other words, you agree with me, but don't believe you do. Just think about it again: the base of humans is identical across the board, but culture is what is added on top of that. The scope of which one is larger is actually unimportant - the similarities are actually so low-level that they are largely ignored. If you really believe differences are inconsequential, you have no experience bridging cultures or dealing with anything internationally (beyond perhaps the US and another anglo-saxon country). If we were all the same, the phrase "bridging cultures" wouldn't even exist. Please, next time be a little less romantic about human nature.

There is no one right way to govern (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25815943)

The problem with one world government is this: there is no one right way to govern.

That's it.

With lots of different governments running lots of different countries, there is hope for those who feel oppressed or uneasy with their government, because they can dream of the day that they can leave the place where they are currently suffering, for a better place.

You cannot assume that the one world government will remain a democracy, any more than you can assume that our rights and freedoms will not be chiselled away within our current system ( ID cards, no free speech, CCTV on every corner ).

I dread some worldwide organisation getting hold of that kind of power.

If you think they'll care about what you want, any more than the IMF cares about my overdraft, then you are kidding yourself.

Re:what's wrong with one world government? (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815973)

"what horrendous crime can one world government be capable of that is not already being committed right now, and worse?"

Soylent Green would be a good one. I'm thinking that grinding up the not so good people and feeding them to the populace kind of kicks the crap out of everything that has been done on this planet so far.

On another note, have you seen Bush's new plan for prison overcrowding? it's Delicious!

Re:tribalism (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25815925)

1984 is not a one government world. It's a world that has many governments, just one of them (UK,USA) is very insidious. They are at war with other countries that dare to not use their brand of freedom.

Plus it speaks volumes of truth to today's society.

The Proles dont care, as they are left alone to watch their TV and do what they want.. (Under $70,000 a year US income) and the Rich dont care because they are in bed with those in power (Over $290,000 a year income) or those in power make sure they stay richer than the dame dirty proles.

there are not other income levels in that world.. you're either rich, or a prole. Those in between think they are something else, but they are in fact proles.

So you want 1984? Look around you. It's here. you better get to your loving big brother...

Re:tribalism (1)

lourd_baltimore (856467) | more than 5 years ago | (#25816181)

this world is not at peace until all nations and all religions have been defeated. we are many centuries from that glorious time

I agree that we are centuries away from something like this. However, based on my expertise as an Internet browser and cherry-picked excerpts from philosophy texts we'll* never achieve this. We're social creatures and will tend to band together. At the same time we easily observe and fixate on similarities/differences between everything. Maybe it's the curse of human intelligence that drives us so. What you offer requires a fundamental shift in human behaviour. A supremacy of the super-ego of the id and ego. Maybe this is what you meant, but not in so many words. By the time we've evolved that far our psyche might just be different enough us for us to not even appreciate our global utopia. It'll just be status quo all the way down. That idea definitely scares folks (me) off.

* For current values of "human"

4600 years!? (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 5 years ago | (#25814967)

Well, they had a good innings.

what is a nuclear family (3, Informative)

Bizzeh (851225) | more than 5 years ago | (#25814977)

i read this story on the bbc a few days ago, and again here today. but one thing i still dont get, what is a nuclear family?

Re:what is a nuclear family (2, Informative)

Smivs (1197859) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815175)

'Nuclear Family' simply refers to the fact that the family has a nucleus ie the parents, I believe. Hope this helps.

Re:what is a nuclear family (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25815495)

Nice try, but it probably refers to the 1950's American notion of the "perfect, nuclear family" which has a father, a mother, one son and one daughter.

Why this is significant enough to be placed into the headline I can only wonder.

_AC

Re:what is a nuclear family (2, Informative)

Smivs (1197859) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815559)

There is no limit on children...the parents are the key factor, and the term 'Nuclear Family' is used to distinguish this type from extended family systems used elsewhere around the world. Take a look at wikipedia [wikipedia.org] or Encyclo [encyclo.co.uk] for more links.

Re:what is a nuclear family (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25815729)

Discounting of course the fact that the BBC deemed it important to mention that THIS particular nuclear family has just the characteristics i was describing?

_AC

Re:what is a nuclear family (1)

4D6963 (933028) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815611)

but whats a nuculus?

lol.

Re:what is a nuclear family (-1, Troll)

Smivs (1197859) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815637)

but whats a nuculus?

lol.

The core of George W Bush's brain cell?

Re:what is a nuclear family (1)

Mikkeles (698461) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815941)

He has a whole brain cell?

Re:what is a nuclear family (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25815959)

Mom, dad, kids

Were Dinosaurs pink and other tales (4, Funny)

PinkyDead (862370) | more than 5 years ago | (#25814979)

I often wonder, when we put characteristics on people when we name them are we making a huge mistake.

Imagine, if you will...

Here's Guntherisk, master of all he surveys, wielder of the mighty stone ax of Guildergrump, slayer of men and ravisher of women - confident that his greatness will be remembered in tales and song for thousands of years to come.

Well apparently not, he will be remembered for his brilliant idea of putting cord marks into pottery (which was actually Mrs Guntherisk's idea).

No space for love? (1)

ookabooka (731013) | more than 5 years ago | (#25814995)

No space for love? I'd assume that there was a form of love present between the family members. As for their deaths, it was probably similar to why people fight now: over territory, "stolen" mates, etc. I'm not trying to make a zillion assumptions, but I find it hard to believe that the crux of human behavior has changed that much, things like specialization of workers, writing, extensive schooling etc. seem more like cultural changes that have been building on one another for ages. I've heard from books that the Cro Magnon of many millennia ago if born and raised today would likely be able to function like the rest of us. Even animals such as dogs exhibit behavior that I would call "love". Am I missing something?

Well there's my rant, I think I just need some love...

Re:No space for love? (1)

ookabooka (731013) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815049)

Oh, I also just wanted to say, if you're wondering if these guys were so busy scrabbling to survive, feel more sorry for yourself. Turns out significantly less time [economist.com] was required for labor.

Not only had hunter-gatherers enjoyed plenty of protein, not much fat and ample vitamins in their diet, but it also seems they did not have to work very hard. The Hadza of Tanzania "work" about 14 hours a week

So they had plenty of time for love, way way more so than your average family with two working parents. Hmm. . .both my parents work, perhaps this explains my rant filled behavior to Dr.Haak's statement :-p That or the fact it's almost 5am and I have work by 9. If only I could skip a meal and sleep in instead :-p

Re:No space for love? (2, Interesting)

bestiarosa (938309) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815933)

From the same article you mentioned, but a bit further down:

What's more, the famously "affluent society" of hunter-gatherers, with plenty of time to gossip by the fire between hunts and gathers, turns out to be a bit of a myth, or at least an artefact of modern life. The measurements of time spent getting food by the !Kung omitted food-processing time and travel time, partly because the anthropologists gave their subjects lifts in their vehicles and lent them metal knives to process food.

Very interesting read (I mean your link).

Re:No space for love? (1)

Moderatbastard (808662) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815397)

I've heard from books that the Cro Magnon of many millennia ago if born and raised today would likely be able to function like the rest of us.

Function like us? They are us. Perhaps you were thinking of Neanderthals?

Re:No space for love? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25815551)

I mean, they did find the remains buried in an ancient Jerry Springer set after all....

Space for love (4, Funny)

dontmakemethink (1186169) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815115)

"We don't know how hard daily life was back there and if there was any space for love"

"there are big holes in their heads"

Hell yeah. Mod me nasty, but you're feelin it.

Oh crap... I see where this is going (-1, Offtopic)

LockeOnLogic (723968) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815157)

CSI: Stone Age -- coming soon to clog an airwave near you!!

Just shows how dangerous nucular things are! (-1, Offtopic)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815243)

Atomkraft - nein danke!

And I thought... (0, Troll)

wwahammy (765566) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815273)

gays were destroying the family. Oh wait, there must have been gays destroying the family back then too. Hmmm... But how could they? They can't reproduce. Oh I know, they recruited children... But the children here are dead so...

Gays are the problem. Yep that's it.

Why Nuclear? (-1, Offtopic)

mr100percent (57156) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815333)

Why is it called a nuclear family? Because its basically unstable!

Keep in mind (1, Funny)

Konster (252488) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815445)

Fellow readers,

Keep in mind that the world back then was a much more dangerous place than it is now. 4600 years ago, nearly anything could have been considered a weapon of mass destruction; rocks, branches, fresh poop on a sharpened stick, et cetera, et cetera. We can proudly say that now the only weapons of mass destruction are nuclear bombs and biological/chemical weaponry...but this simply wasn't so back then.

What has not been outlined in this report, but is a subject of speculation, is that these people were preparing weapons of mass destruction a bit too close the Georgedubyaenthal Valley and were dealt with as what they were/may not have been doing.

I'm not an expert on Paleolithic Politics, but as history has taught us, the victors write the history books that their leaders are too illiterate to read.

And yes, the article is correct in that they are the first known Nukular Family, their homestead was found on what is now known as the Nukular Plateau which is far the the right of the older archeological dig known as the Nuclear Region. Sadly, evidence of that was wiped out by the Georgedubyaenthals... ...so we speculate.

Re:Keep in mind (0, Flamebait)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#25816009)

Are you serious? The world is a safer place now? really....

I know of several neighborhoods in this civilized country that you will not make it out alive if you walked through it in the dark. and several that you will not make it in the daytime.

We are far from civilized and safer. We have roaming gangs that think murder is fun in many cities, you can die of exposure outside ANYWHERE, water, food, preadators... I know of places in the USA that you will be killed and eaten by an animal. A family with their heads bashed in is not uncommon here today in the usa. Just look at the news headlines over the past year in Detroit, LA, NY, Atlanta, Miami and Washington DC to name a few. and this is just the USA... let's try some of the uncivilized countries out there.. Let's see how long you live walking across the African continent, or in cities all over the globe where uncivilized brutality is the norm, and those that are civilized are fleeing from. Most people on this planet struggle every day to survive.

The world is safer... Only from a tourist point of view.

Sampling bias (2, Insightful)

vuo (156163) | more than 5 years ago | (#25815473)

Duh. This is obvious sampling bias. Of course the oldest find of the skeletons of a complete family is that of a family died suddenly and violently. If they had died separately, it'd be less likely that they'd be found in exact same location.

I'm not surprised. (2, Insightful)

Rufty (37223) | more than 5 years ago | (#25816007)

For the family to be identifiable as a family and not a bunch of adult graves miles and years apart, they'll have all had to die at the same time. Doesn't mean it was necessarily common back then, though.

Unsolved Mystery (3, Funny)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | more than 5 years ago | (#25816187)

"If you were around this area in germany 4600 years ago and have information about this murder that could lead to th earrest of suspects, please the dial number at the bottom of your screen. I'm Robert Stacks, and this is Unsolved Mysteries."
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