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Ted Stevens Loses Senate Re-Election Bid

kdawson posted more than 5 years ago | from the down-the-tubes dept.

Government 337

JakartaDean writes "Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska, famed Internet regulator, has lost his Senate seat. The AP is reporting that 'Stevens was declared the loser in Alaska on Tuesday night after a two-week-long process of counting nearly 90,000 absentee and early votes from across Alaska. With this victory, Democrat Mark Begich (the mayor of Anchorage) has defeated one of the giants in the US Senate by a 3,724-vote margin, a stunning end to a 40-year Senate career marred by Stevens' conviction on corruption charges a week before the election.' It's probably too early to tell what this means for Internet regulation, but at least there's a > 0 chance that the next committee chair will understand something about the Net."

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fuq (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25812613)

lol

Re:fuq (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25812919)

hey retards : ted stevens (republican) hasn't chaired a committee since 2004.

Too Bad (4, Funny)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 5 years ago | (#25812641)

Senator Stevens re-election bid is down the tubes [slashdot.org].

Re:Too Bad (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25812685)

Senator Stevens re-election bid is down the tubes [slashdot.org].

To add insult to injury -- a whole series of them!

Re:Too Bad (4, Funny)

negRo_slim (636783) | more than 5 years ago | (#25812761)

Senator Stevens re-election bid is down the tubes [slashdot.org].

Hey Slashdot ain't a big truck. You can't just dump anything on it, more it's like a series of tubes. And all your damn YouTubes, why I had my staff send me an Internet the other day, took 2 weeks to get here!

Anti-White Racism in the Afro Community (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25813037)

John McCain should have won the election. He was defeated by the racist voting pattern of the African-American community. Look at the CNN statistics [cnn.com].

95% of African-Americans voted for Obama.

If African-Americans did not vote on the basis of race, their percentage of support for Obama would have been 64.5%, at most. Asian and Hispanic support for Obama hovered around 64.5%. Neither Asians nor Hispanics used skin color in choosing a candidate. If 64.5% of African-Americans supported Obama, then McCain would have received 49.77% of the popular vote, and Obama would have received 49.23% of the popular vote. Obama would have lost.

Anti-white racism in the African-American community is ugly.

At this point, Afro supremacists claim that there is no racism since African-Americans typically vote for the Democratic candidates.

However, even when 2 Democratic candidates present nearly identical policies and positions, the African-Americans flock to the candidate whose skin color is black. For example, more than 90% of African-Americans supported Obama instead of Hillary Clinton even though both candidates are Democrats and both candidates presented nearly identical policies and positions.

Consider the case of North Carolina. In its Democratic primary, 91% of African-Americans voted for Obama due to the color of his skin. Check out the results [cnn.com] of the Democratic primary in North Carolina.

By contrast, Hillary Clinton received only 7% of the African-American votes. She was handicapped by her white skin.

You will hear and read plenty of articles, written by African-Americans, defending this racist method of voting.

We should agree with them. I encourage everyone to vote on the basis of skin color. If you are White, Asian, or Hispanic, then you should always vote against the Black candidate.

Re:Anti-White Racism in the Afro Community (1)

D'Sphitz (699604) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813433)

Yeah because there's so many black republicans. Blacks overwhelmingly vote democrat poindexter, regardless of the candidates skin color.

Re:Anti-White Racism in the Afro Community (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25813443)

It's as if there is a whole army of nutjobs waiting in the wings for an Obama victory just to be able to post the same message on every thread even tangentially related to politics.

Re:Anti-White Racism in the Afro Community (0, Offtopic)

deniable (76198) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813489)

I'm sure this troll will get boring over the next four years.

Re:Anti-White Racism in the Afro Community (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25813549)

Yes, and if only those damned white people hadn't voted for him too!!

If only >51% had voted McCain, we'd have some other president-elect!

This post brought to you by a white man who seriously does not give a shit what color his current corrupt political representative is on the outside.

Re:Anti-White Racism in the Afro Community (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25813579)

I won't 100% disagree with you on this one, but remember correlation != causation. How can you be sure that the majority of people that voted for McCain aren't simply rich, white republicans? Maybe there's statically lower number of rich, black republicans, and that was one of the more overwhelming factors for them voting Obama. It is a known fact that people tend to vote for people that are most like them. I'm sure you would find, for example, that the percentage of woman that would have voted for Hilary Clinton would have been particularly high.

first (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25812643)

first... Before the tubes get dumped on...

I'm amazed (5, Insightful)

Swordopolis (1159065) | more than 5 years ago | (#25812647)

that it got this close. I figured this would be an absolute stomping after Senator Tubes became a convicted felon.

Re:I'm amazed (5, Insightful)

andytrevino (943397) | more than 5 years ago | (#25812689)

Yeah -- essentially what this result means is that those Alaskans who cast their vote for Stevens would rather vote for a shamelessly corrupt convicted felon than for a Democrat.

Most of the time, I'm with 'em. ;)

(though, to be fair, he would have probably resigned and been replaced with a better candidate by appointment or special election, had he won.)

Re:I'm amazed (1)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 5 years ago | (#25812713)

Special election within 90 days of resignation by Alaskan law.

Someone appointed their daughter, and spoiled it for the rest of 'em.

Re:I'm amazed (5, Funny)

amRadioHed (463061) | more than 5 years ago | (#25812765)

Yeah, it occurred to me that's probably why he was still voted for. If he was forced out of office in disgrace he would be replaced by another less obviously disgraceful Republican. At least I hope that's what happened, although after seeing who they elected Governor I could be giving Alaskan's too much credit.

Re:I'm amazed (0, Troll)

NoPantsJim (1149003) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813001)

(though, to be fair, he would have probably resigned and been replaced with a better candidate by appointment or special election, had he won.)

Yeah, or a worse candidate could have been appointed, and we'd have to put up with "Senator Palin"'s bullshit for years to come.

Re:I'm amazed (0, Troll)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813095)

(though, to be fair, he would have probably resigned and been replaced with a better candidate by appointment or special election, had he won.)

Yeah, or a worse candidate could have been appointed, and we'd have to put up with "Senator Palin's bullshit for years to come

So what? You are going to have to put up with Governor Palins bullshit for years to come anyway.

While we are on the subject why would she want to run anyway. Aren't Governers > Senators?

Re:I'm amazed (5, Interesting)

Kandenshi (832555) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813231)

They're at least somewhat orthogonal I thought? I'm not American so sometimes I can have really skewed views of how things work down there, but I don't see either as junior to the other. They have a very different set of responsibilities and privileges.

Regarding why she'd want to run... from up here I'd heard some rumblings about how Palin might have some executive experience, but a stunning lack of information about the rest of the country. Said persons then went on to suggest that some senate experience would be good for her if she wants to be involved in the 2012 race, get her some additional exposure out-of-state and some experience in Washington(being a maverick outsider renegade is all well and good, but some knowledge of how things work in Washington isn't entirely bad).

I'm not sure how many millions of Americans this would carry weight with, but these two seemed to think it'd be a splendid idea.

Re:I'm amazed (3, Insightful)

ushering05401 (1086795) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813267)

"Aren't Governers > Senators?"

Strict constitutionalists would tell you so, or at least they tell me so. The nature, qty, and method of procuring the federal funding that flies around these days has made the D.C. delegations much more powerful than their state level counterparts.

Anyhow, I usually hear the Civil War cited as the tipping point between state/federal power with feds going unchallenged for supremacy since I have been alive to witness.

Re:I'm amazed (3, Insightful)

_Ludwig (86077) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813289)

Only Alaskans have to put up with Governor Palin. All Americans would have to put up with Senator Palin.

Re:I'm amazed (4, Insightful)

deniable (76198) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813537)

It's job creation for comedians. Obama's election is making their jobs harder. Palin on a national stage would bring back the good times.

Re:I'm amazed (2, Insightful)

andytrevino (943397) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813375)

I doubt Palin would have appointed herself. First off, that's probably against the law, or Governor Murkowski would have done it to himself a few years ago rather than appoint his daughter Lisa to the seat. Since then she has won reelection on her own merits.

More importantly, though, if you look into Ms. Palin's history a bit you'll find that her whole campaign for Governor was pretty much based on running against the extremely corrupt Republican machine in Alaska.

Appointing herself to the seat would cause her to lose all credibility on that issue with people like me, with whom it's a major selling point. :)

Re:I'm amazed (1)

deniable (76198) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813521)

The laws got changed to have special elections rather than appointment after Murkowski appointed his daughter. Wasn't that an appointment to fill the seat he vacated to become governor?

Re:I'm amazed (3, Interesting)

deathy_epl+ccs (896747) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813567)

First off, that's probably against the law, or Governor Murkowski would have done it to himself a few years ago rather than appoint his daughter Lisa to the seat.

Why would he appoint himself to fill the seat he just vacated to become Governor?

His appointing of his daughter was why we changed the laws here.

Regarding Stevens, it's good to finally be rid of the embarrassment... too bad we're replacing him with someone who is equally corrupt - only instead of belonging to big oil, Begich belongs to organized crime.

But then, corruption is a requirement to be in politics in the United States, so I guess Begich arrives well qualified.

Re:I'm amazed (1)

deniable (76198) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813511)

What I heard was that all of Steven's votes were early votes from before the conviction. He started in the lead but got no more votes. The other guy just had to accumulate enough to get over the line.

Re:I'm amazed (5, Interesting)

siddesu (698447) | more than 5 years ago | (#25812707)

Well, the local vote doesn't rest so much on the personal qualities of a candidate so much on his ability to bring pork to his district. Having been convicted on things like having a piece of furniture in his home won't impress votes who depend on the pork for their jobs that much. And from what little I drained from the tubes on the topic, Mr. Stevens was an expert at getting quality output from them pork tubes.

Besides, he doesn't stand alone, and it dozen't only happen in the US. In Japan a few years back an MP got convicted, did jail time, got out and got promptly re-elected, despite the national media turning him into a sort of laughingstock. Similarities: he was from the northern, relatively unpopulated and cold part of Japan, and he was a "pork expert".

So, it is either the pork, or the ice. You decide.

Re:I'm amazed (1, Informative)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 5 years ago | (#25812777)

But the rugged individualists of our great northernest state would never stoop to feeding at the government trough like the welfare mothers of a thousand right-wing nightmares!

Wait, never mind, Stevens has been kicking around longer than Alaska has been a state, precisely for that skill...

Re:I'm amazed (0, Troll)

philspear (1142299) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813477)

Well of course, after all, republicans find plenty of ways to rationalize their own use of tax money while throwing a hissy fit about anyone else using it. That's one of the reasons red states more tax money than they give.

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2004/09/red_states_feed.html [typepad.com]

Re:I'm amazed (1)

siddesu (698447) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813603)

I think it is a case of more power with less votes rather than ideology.

In underpopulated states, the amount of people that share the spoils is smaller, so each individual gains more.

Therefore, they have more incentive to stand behind the incumbent senator (especially if the guy is a crook), and also why the incumbent senator has more incentive to be creative about pork.

In populous states, this kinda works in reverse. If the pork is spread over the total population it won't make much difference. And if spread over a smaller group of people, they'll be viewed as corrupt by the majority, and their patron will be likely to lose.

Re:I'm amazed (3, Informative)

deathy_epl+ccs (896747) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813595)

Wait, never mind, Stevens has been kicking around longer than Alaska has been a state, precisely for that skill...

Actually, Stevens became a Senator in 1968, whereas Alaska became a state in 1958. He's been a prick for much longer than Alaska's been a state, though.

Re:I'm amazed (3, Insightful)

MillenneumMan (932804) | more than 5 years ago | (#25812825)

I'm NOT amazed. Congress collectively has an approval rating below ten percent leading up to the election and yet over 96 percent get re-elected. The American electorate definitely get what they deserve because they keep sending the same idiots back time and time again.

The real shame is that it takes a felony conviction to create enough momentum to throw the guy out. How that William Jefferson in Louisiana is still in office is beyond comprehension.

Re:I'm amazed (2, Insightful)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 5 years ago | (#25812921)

I'm NOT amazed. Congress collectively has an approval rating below ten percent leading up to the election and yet over 96 percent get re-elected. The American electorate definitely get what they deserve because they keep sending the same idiots back time and time again.

It's called gerrymandering and the congress, they doing it right.

Re:I'm amazed (2, Interesting)

ricklg (162560) | more than 5 years ago | (#25812955)

Yes, but it could also mean that the alternative choice is even worse than the berated incumbent.

Maryland (my state) is just about all Democratic. The Republicans often run some turkey just to have a race. The results are usually embarrassing to the Republicans, but at least they tried.

As a registered Republican I've been frustrated year after year having to vote for the Democrat (usually the incumbent) because the Republican was clearly unqualified.

Re:I'm amazed (1)

Hooded One (684008) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813441)

That's mostly because people's approval (or lack thereof) of Congress is mainly based on their opinions of the people they didn't vote for. It's why I cringe every time I hear a complaint about people in Congress criticizing Bush when their approval rating is even lower. Apples and oranges, people!

(That's not to say that Congress is all sunshine and ponies, either, just that that particular argument is thoroughly flawed.)

Re:I'm amazed (2, Insightful)

caitsith01 (606117) | more than 5 years ago | (#25812947)

Indeed. Contrary to the breathless summary:

With this victory, Democrat Mark Begich (the mayor of Anchorage) has defeated one of the giants in the US Senate by a 3,724-vote margin, a stunning end to a 40-year Senate career

what would have been "stunning" would have been if Stevens survived. In fact the pre-election polls suggested he was a goner, and the fact that he nearly won was very surprising.

What this really means is that (a) the Repugs won't have to vote to sack one of their own from the senate and (b) Palin won't get a run at this senate seat.

Re:I'm amazed (5, Insightful)

omeomi (675045) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813165)

what would have been "stunning" would have been if Stevens survived.

Well, I don't know about "stunning"... Is there anything left that our elected leaders can do that would really "stun" the American public?

Re:I'm amazed (5, Insightful)

deathy_epl+ccs (896747) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813617)

Is there anything left that our elected leaders can do that would really "stun" the American public?

If one of them were to turn out to be decent and upstanding, that would utterly shock us.

Re:I'm amazed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25812999)

Most of the reason that it was so close was that Stevens' opponent was probably the worst possible choice of state-level Democrat to run against him. Begich represents "old money" Alaskan politics just as much as Stevens, has had seemingly legitimate accusations of corruption leveled against him for years, and has been one of Anchorage's most lackluster mayors ever.

My mother, a toe-the-line Democrat cast her first ever vote for a non-Democrat in the Stevens race (for a third party).

I voted for Stevens in hopes that we would have special election with anyone but Beggich running against him. I would really like to have seen Ethan Berkowitz (who ran against our Congressman, Don Young, and lost) take this instead of Beggich, and was hoping that might happen in a special election.

In terms of cleaning up congress, I would say that this outcome is undoubtedly worse than re-electing Stevens. Given the choice between two corrupt candidates, I would always choose the one who will be kicked out of office if he is elected. Hopefully someone will have the balls to run against Beggich in the next primary.

How due to spell election fraud? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25812667)

D-e-m-o-c-r-a-t-s

Guide To The Barack Obongo Presidency (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25812701)

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To Be, or not To Be... (-1, Flamebait)

Kid Zero (4866) | more than 5 years ago | (#25812721)

On one hand, he had no clue about the internet and took bribes AND managed to get convicted for it.

On the other hand, it's a Democrat (Socialist) replacing him.

Damned if you do, Damned if you don't.

Re:To Be, or not To Be... (3, Insightful)

Atriqus (826899) | more than 5 years ago | (#25812773)

You mean it's actually possible to be more of a socialist for Alaska than Ted Stevens?!

Re:To Be, or not To Be... (-1, Troll)

Kid Zero (4866) | more than 5 years ago | (#25812801)

Well, I mean for most Senators the lines are kinda blurred with regards to earmarks. Rights wise, I really, really can't trust Democrats. :)

Re:To Be, or not To Be... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25813051)

You mean it's actually possible to be less trustworthy on rights than the Republicans?!

Re:To Be, or not To Be... (4, Insightful)

gutter (27465) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813081)

Rights wise, you trust Republicans more than Democrats?

You mean the republicans who fought against civil rights for blacks, gays, and immigrants, and are always looking for ways to suppress the vote? Or the the republicans behind the Terry Schiavo debacle? Or the republicans who decided pornography and medical marijuana were among the top priorities at the DOJ? Those republicans? Or the republicans who were basically 100% for the PATRIOT act, gutting FISA, and legalized torture?

Those are the people you think are looking out for your civil rights? I'm not saying the Democrats are perfect on civil rights, but dedication to civil rights seems to be much more of a liberal issue (witness right-wing attacks on the ACLU).

Re:To Be, or not To Be... (1)

deathy_epl+ccs (896747) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813641)

I'm not saying the Democrats are perfect on civil rights, but dedication to civil rights seems to be much more of a liberal issue (witness right-wing attacks on the ACLU).

I disagree... civil rights isn't an issue for either side. They'll pay it lip service when politically expedient, but neither side gives a damn about our individual rights.

Re:To Be, or not To Be... (4, Insightful)

saforrest (184929) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813253)

You mean it's actually possible to be more of a socialist for Alaska than Ted Stevens?!

You do know that to be an actual socialist (as opposed to a cable-news caricature of one), you have to do more than just spend bucketloads of money on any random thing, right?

No Senator Palin then (2)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 5 years ago | (#25812727)

This means Palin won't get the Senate seat (Senate would have kicked Stevens out if he won) as a staging post for her national ambition.

Re:No Senator Palin then (2, Insightful)

balazsrau (1363263) | more than 5 years ago | (#25812775)

She'll be elected in two years.

Two Years? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25813149)

She's going to run against a Republican incumbent? That should be entertaining.

Re:Two Years? (1)

FleaPlus (6935) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813301)

She's going to run against a Republican incumbent? That should be entertaining.

That's how she got her current job. Coincidentally, in the gubernatorial race she ran against Frank Murkowski, the father of Lisa Murkowski, who she'd be running against for the Senate seat. The charge of the nepotism of Murkowski picking Murkowski for the Senate was one of the things Palin ran on in her gubernatorial race.

News for Nerds... Why? (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25812735)

Is this Nerd News because Senator Stevens was once in charge of the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation?

Someone might want to tell poor kdawson that Senator Stevens hasn't been in charge of that committee for nearly two years.

Re:News for Nerds... Why? (1)

deniable (76198) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813587)

No, it's because Ted Stevens is an Internet super-star for his 'series of tubes' speech. I'm sure you can find it on YouTube. Just make sure you don't get tricked into watching Grandpa Simpson.

Oh noes! (2, Funny)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 5 years ago | (#25812741)

Stevens goes bye bye and the tubes are already breaking down! Slashdot stories disappearing, seas boiling, dogs and cats living together!!!!

This is the end!

If Stevens had won (0)

Newer Guy (520108) | more than 5 years ago | (#25812751)

If Stevens had won, Sarah Palin would have probably been their next senator. Stevens would have been thrown out in January and it would be up to Governor Palin to appoint his successor until the 2010 elections. She would have most certainly appointed herself.

Re:If Stevens had won (1)

Earthquake Retrofit (1372207) | more than 5 years ago | (#25812871)

Alaska law, unlike Illinois, says there would have to be a special election to fill the vacant seat, so Caribou Barbi couldn't have appointed herself. But I believe she would have run and won.

Re:If Stevens had won (3, Informative)

j0nb0y (107699) | more than 5 years ago | (#25812887)

Alaska doesn't replace Senators by governor appointment. They would have had a special election. Palin likely would have won.

Re:If Stevens had won (4, Funny)

schon (31600) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813223)

They would have had a special election.

Am I the only one who read the "special" in "special election" with the same connotation as "special olympics"? :)

Re:If Stevens had won (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25813385)

Probably. Most of us aren't fucking idiots.

Funny how recounts work (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25812767)

Notice how the WA governor race before, the Franken/Coleman race, and now this race, with each recount the vote gets closer and closer, until the Democrats decide there's no more need for recounts (when THEIR side wins). Has anyone seen recounts where the total did NOT get closer to giving the Democrats victory?

Re:Funny how recounts work (1)

Xiroth (917768) | more than 5 years ago | (#25812869)

I dunno how you can really blame the Democrats for this one, given how Republican-dominated Alaska is - the Democrats simply don't have the power to pull something underhanded. Both parties push this kind of legal crap when they feel it's in their favor. This election was Stevens' to lose, and he did so in spectacular fashion by being convicted on corruption charges (and then, somehow, claiming that he'd never been convicted. WTF?).

Re:Funny how recounts work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25812873)

recounts

Funny how the republicans cry about "recounts" when what was being counted was the absentee ballots for the first time.

Look at it this way: at least convicted criminals serving in Congress remains a Democrat pasttime and you can continue to thump your values from your high ground without being abject hypocrites and without resorting to kindergarten cries of "but the Democrats!" Except when discussing Bush, because we all know the Republicans wish that Bush was half as awesome as Clinton was.

Re:Funny how recounts work (4, Interesting)

hplus (1310833) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813013)

There are two possible explanations for this phenomenon:

a) Fraudulent ballots are being added for the Democratic candidate in the midst of the recount.

b) For whatever reason, more valid democratic ballots went uncounted during the first counting.

Since recounts are heavily observed by both sides, I find option a to be unlikely. To be perfectly accurate however, the Alaska race was never recounted - they just finished counting all the ballots (absentee and so on take longer) for the first time. Despite this, given the closeness of race, I find it hard to believe that election monitors for either side would have been so incompetent as to allow the level of fraud that you suggest.

Re:Funny how recounts work (4, Informative)

gutter (27465) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813305)

This is neither surprising nor unusual.

For a number of reasons provisional and absentee ballots have historically tended to favor democrats. These include the tendency for the poor & the elderly to vote democratic, as well as democratic voter outreach programs that focus on absentee ballots to lock in the vote early.

Re:Funny how recounts work (1)

Hooded One (684008) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813627)

Except that all of the results so far in those races have been from the first count. Nice try, though!

Who's The Fool (1, Flamebait)

plague911 (1292006) | more than 5 years ago | (#25812793)

The man may have made news for his stupid comments. But remember he was put in charge by his fellow citizens. And now we will be paying him to sit around and do nothing for the rest of his life. So who really is the fool?

Re:Who's The Fool (5, Informative)

Digitus1337 (671442) | more than 5 years ago | (#25812831)

And now we will be paying him to sit around and do nothing for the rest of his life.

Thanks to his convictions, he will not have a pension, and may spend time in prison.

Re:Who's The Fool (5, Informative)

plague911 (1292006) | more than 5 years ago | (#25812933)

Thanks to his convictions," he will not have a pension," Actually according to the cnn he will. He was grandfathered in. As in recently they made a new law that any new senators who are convicted of felony But since Stevens has been around since before that law. He still gets your money.

Re:Who's The Fool (1)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813061)

Thanks to his convictions," he will not have a pension," Actually according to the cnn he will. He was grandfathered in. As in recently they made a new law that any new senators who are convicted of felony But since Stevens has been around since before that law. He still gets your money.

Sweet Jesus, I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

Hey taxpayers! I'm a convicted criminal and you're paying my pension, bitches!

Just shoot me now.

Re:Who's The Fool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25812969)

much more important than that...

Sarah Palin will not be able to use his senatorship to trampoline into a 2012 Presidential campaign

I mean, Jesus, who, Republican or Democrat, wants to see her in the mix. It's over. Can we all confess now that she is an absolute retard at a national/international level? I have international cred because I can SEE Russia? Jesus.

So no Stevens = no Palin, and that gives me great relief, like a huge turd has just exited my hole

Re:Who's The Fool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25813295)

This post, while a bit crude, seems to parallel what a great number of people think/say around the US, including the NYTimes, etc. I am truly curious to know, why the visceral hatred of her? She's ignorant about many things, sure, but so are most politicians about any real detail. She's not stupid (comparatively, Biden couldn't seem to stop saying stupid things, some of them REALLY stupid). It also seems that left-wing women were much more vocal and far more emotional in their attacks. It also seems that people cannot stop going after her either. Just yesterday, Ellen Goodman (NYTimes) had a pretty negative column about her. She doesn't seem to be particularly militant about gay marriage/rights, and several other knee-jerk items, so why expend all the energy to keep up the attacks, after she has lost? And all the venom; it's just bizarre.

Re:Who's The Fool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25812993)

And now we will be paying him to sit around and do nothing for the rest of his life.

Thanks to his convictions, he will not have a pension, and may spend time in prison.

And now we will be paying [the prison system for] him to sit around and do nothing for the rest of his life. (Ahhh.)

Re:Who's The Fool (4, Insightful)

pchan- (118053) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813109)

Thanks to his convictions, he will not have a pension, and may spend time in prison.

Unless still-president Bush pardons him.

Re:Who's The Fool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25813023)

I've never understood why people thought that his "tubes" comment was stupid. Hell, we talk about "pipes" all the time.

His analogy wasn't spot on (no analogy ever is), but it was pretty close to what people in the industry say.

Re:Who's The Fool (1)

GodKingAmit (1192629) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813525)

The mockery isn't because of the tubes comment, it's just shorthand for his hillarious "justification" for letting ISPs selectively shape traffic based on origin.

He'll be missed (3, Insightful)

hyades1 (1149581) | more than 5 years ago | (#25812803)

As a vicious, corrupt scam artist (and convicted felon) whose major contribution to American politics was to funnel millions of taxpayers dollars into one "Bridge to Nowhere" after another, Ted Stevens is the perfect representative of one of the most influential segments of the internet community: spammers.

An Alaskan's perspective (5, Informative)

Alaska Jack (679307) | more than 5 years ago | (#25812849)

This is just really sad. Ted Stevens played a greater role in the development of Alaska as a state than any other person. Most people outside Alaska are unaware that he was literally named Alaskan of the Century. Think about that for a moment.

This is not to defend him. I disagreed with a lot of what he did. (Well, to be more accurate, I disagree with him and all the Robert Byrds, etc who stuffed their states full of pork at the expense of the nation. But at least Stevens had the excuse that Alaska really got a hugely raw deal in its statehood compact, and the lack of fulfillment thereof by the federal government.)

Stevens eventually became exhibit A in the argument for term limits. Well OK, Exhibit C after Strom Thurmond and Robert Byrd.) When you are in office that long, you just naturally begin to believe that that office is YOURS, it belongs to YOU. And it's not fair that after your decades of able public service, your buddies on K Street are all filthy rich while you make a tenth of what they do. After all the billions you've brought to your state, who could possibly begrudge you $10,000 here or there? Heck, you DESERVE it!

I just want to point out that at one time, there was more to Stevens' career than this, including distinguished service in the Army Air Corps in WWII.

    - Alaska Jack

Re:An Alaskan's perspective (5, Insightful)

HW_Hack (1031622) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813043)

""After all the billions you've brought to your state, who could possibly begrudge you $10,000 here or there? Heck, you DESERVE it!""

Corruption is like pregnancy ... nobody is just a little pregnant. Whats his name Duke Cunningham (who used to be a Top Gun pilot) also found guilty corruption etc.

A lot of "good" can be washed (down the tubes) by a little bad.

he did it on my dime (4, Insightful)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813089)

Alaskans get $1.85 back for every $1.00 they pay to the Federal Gov't.

So Ted Stevens played a huge role in developing Alaska on my dime. I don't need to laud him for that.

What was wrong with the Alaskan statehood compact? From what I can tell, the Federal government purchased Alaska from Russian. Then turns some of the land over to the state of Alaska? And Alaska gets to charge severance tax on oil taken up there?

Doesn't sound like a bad deal to me.

Re:An Alaskan's perspective (5, Insightful)

Comatose51 (687974) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813155)

It's rare to have such nuanced views on Slashdot. As much as I wanted Stevens out of the Senate, your perspective on him is quite believable. The world isn't black and white or good vs. evil. People are often shades in between. It doesn't help our understanding of the world to type cast someone or see only one perspective/side of a person, a nation, or an issue.

It is indeed sad to see someone with such a long service to fall to such lows.

Re:An Alaskan's perspective (1)

syousef (465911) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813161)

This is just really sad. Ted Stevens played a greater role in the development of Alaska as a state than any other person. Most people outside Alaska are unaware that he was literally named Alaskan of the Century. Think about that for a moment

I don't get it. Your argument is that it's sad because he did good things too? Doing the right thing doesn't excuse you from having to comply with the law. He doesn't get to eat babies and torture kittens just because he did things that made him wildly popular with his electorate. Perhaps he did do plenty of good but he also obviously did things that would have people celebrate him going including trying to impose stupid legislation on the net and breaking the law for profit.

Re:An Alaskan's perspective (2, Funny)

schon (31600) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813263)

he was literally named Alaskan of the Century. Think about that for a moment.

I thought about it.

All I was really left with is that Alaskans must be really hard up for role-models.

pay 'em (1)

globaljustin (574257) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813561)

And it's not fair that after your decades of able public service, your buddies on K Street are all filthy rich while you make a tenth of what they do

I can definitely understand why a public servant would think that...that's why I advocate paying all of them alot more.

How about somewhere in the neighborhood of $5 million a year for president? Can you name one single more important job in America (or hell the world)? CEO's make hundreds of millions of dollars...we need to adequately compensate the President so that other, lower ranks can be raised (no one in the gov't can make more than the prez)

Everyone from president on down to your local cop and teach should make more...even your E-1 (lowest rank) military need a healthy (50% plus much better tuition assistance at least) raise.

I'm a liberal, but that doesn't mean I hate the free market. The free market is a reality of our system and it only makes sense to use that to our advantage.

If all public servants made significantly more money, we would have a renaissance in those seeking employment.

I can speak from personal and second hand experience that many, many talented and service minded people forgo public service because with things like student loans, etc. it just isn't a financially solvent path.

This idea has plenty of historical president...the Mandarins in China for example.

It's all about incentives...we should REWARD those who desire to serve...pay 'em what they're worth

Lack of comprehension strikes again! (2, Insightful)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813339)

It's probably too early to tell what this means for Internet regulation, but at least there's a > 0 chance that the next committee chair will understand something about the Net."

While this is certainly true, his failure of reelection has nothing whatsoever to do with any committee chairmanship, since the Democrats control the committee chairmanships in both House and Senate, and they weren't going to pick a Republican no matter what the result of the Alaska Senatorial race.

RE: Ted Stevens Loses Senate Re-Election Bid (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25813437)

... should never have been born in the first place!

Glad that most of those involved are already dead.

That he's the last to go is no solas ... consider all of the millions of humans he has infected ... harmed ... violated.

That he lived so long is a tribute to hatred ... moral crimes ... pervison.

Hopfully the grave will be burned, with him in it,
for several days and nights, half a year even, a warning to all others!

Well, a certain village in Alaska still has its... (1, Funny)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 5 years ago | (#25813633)

...governor. Now it will have it for a while longer.

The only shame is that this will be an end to the "series of tubes" jokes.

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