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90% of Gaming Addiction Patients Not Addicted

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the don't-worry-i'm-sure-you're-in-the-other-10% dept.

The Media 333

phorm writes "BBC is carrying an article which states that 90% of visitors to Europe's 'video game addiction clinic' are not, in fact, addicted. The problem is a social one rather than a psychological issue. In other words, the patients have turned to heavy gaming because they felt they didn't fit in elsewhere, or that they fit in better 'in the game' than elsewhere in 'the real world.' This has been discussed before, with arguments ranging from gaming being a good way to socialize, the clinical definition of gaming addiction, and claims than males are wired for video-game addiction."

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addiction? (5, Funny)

Janek Kozicki (722688) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894355)

I just stopped playing ufo: enemy unknown in dosbox, to refresh slashodot.

I FUCKED ANN COULTER IN THE ASS, HARD (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25894451)

The Farmer's Market on Fairfax and 3rd is a Los Angeles landmark, attracting tourists and everyday Angelinos alike, as well as many famous faces. Among the celebrities I have seen there are Muhammad Ali, Terri Garr, Tyra Banks, Laura Linney, Keenan Ivory Wayans, the guitarist for The Cult, Lawrence Hilton-Jacobs, and Weird Al Yankovic.

But Ann Coulter is the only celebrity I've ever spotted at Farmer's Market that I wound up fucking in the ass, hard.

It would be fair to observe that my feeling obligated to present the list of celebrities above in roughly Black-White-Black-White order is indicative of my own carefully Liberal sensibilities. And that this sort of conscientiousness is more than a little ridiculous, on examination. But what I notice about myself only on reflection, Ann Coulter seemed to recognize and respond to in an instant, like a puma recognizes an injured giselle. For Ann Coulter is a predator. A predator with a hungry asshole.

I first spotted her sitting at a table in front of The Gumbo Pot with another woman who looked not unlike her, but a generation older (I neglected to ask her at any point subsequently whether this had in fact been her mother). I vaguely recognized her-there's always a lag time placing faces you know from cable when unconfined to a telescreen-and began to notice, stealing furtive glances up from the copy of Steinbeck I was reading, that she was eyeing me with unsettling scrutiny.

The next thing I knew, her companion (mother?) had left and Coulter was standing over me, looking skeptically at my reading material.
'The Grapes of Wrath, huh?'
'Yes' I said, faking composure. 'It's fantastic.'
'It's a fantastic primer for vacuous proto-Communists everywhere,' she said dismissively.
'I don't know about that..'
She sighed. 'I don't have enough ink in my pen to keep a running list of what you don't know. May I?'
She motioned to the empty chair next to me.
'Of course.' It would be fair to say my voice trembled a little.
She sat and said nothing. Ann Coulter evidently takes an unappreciative view of small talk. That she was eager to continue antagonizing me became evident when I re-opened my recently-insulted book to resume reading. A young man passed in a t-shirt proclaiming 'Iraq Nam'. She stopped him.
'1. Haircut. 2. Shower. 3. Get a job, you sniveling hippy,' she glowered. 'You're probably too high to remember that, so write it down--if you can write.'
He looked at her with dismay and scampered away like a kicked cat. She turned to me with bloodlust.
'What do you think of the war: complete success, or very nearly complete success?' she asked.
'Well, in no timeâ"barring the strong possibility of Civil War--we'll have a democratically-elected anti-US Islamicist government in charge of the world's second-largest oil reserves, so I'd have to say only very-nearly, on the complete success scale, at a hysterically distorted best.'
She showed her teeth. 'It sounds to me like you don't support our troops.'
'I think that 'Support Our Troops' business is the most crass, craven cowardice ever to go unquestioned by the allegedly Liberal media.'
'Yes? Yes?' There was oddly growing excitement in her voice.
'It allows the Administration to absolve itself of responsibility for its own flawed policy. It's no different than if you sent a classroom of 2nd graders into a burning building, and when anyone objects you throw in their face that they "don't support our 2nd graders"'
'Where do you live?'
'A few blocks away.'
'Take me there.'


When we got to my apartment, she looked around glumly.
'I was thinking you'd have half-burned American flags up on the wall,' she said, disappointed.
'That's ridiculous. I love my country.'
'Whatever you think that means,' she said, rolling her eyes. 'Don't you have anything nasty to say about the President?'
'Like what?'
'Like he's an imbecile, or corrupt, or a corrupt imbecileâ"the usual sore-loser bitter chatter.'
'To be honest, I didn't like the nasty things that were said about Clinton, and I've decided to have respect for the Office, no matter who holds it. I don't think President Bush is corrupt or an imbecile anyway. Would you like something to drink?'
'I think maybe this was a mistake,' she said, starting to go.
'That's not to say I don't disagree strongly with many of his policies and objectives.'
She seemed to reconsider. 'Like what?'
'I don't know. Name one.'
'Get me a drink first.'


With every point I expressed that ran counter to a view she held, she removed one article of clothing. Soon she sat on my couch naked, gently pulling at her untrimmed pubic hair, staring intently but not quite invitingly at me. The growing hard lump in my throat was just outpaced by the one in my pants. I was a little nervous because we had agreed on the last two pointsâ"the need to reconsider the option of nuclear energy, and drilling in the Arcticâ"and I noticed her oversized nipples were no longer hard. Luckily, she was, by this point, determined.
'What do you think,' she began provocatively, 'of the President's plan to privatize Social Security?'
I sighed with relief; this was as sure a promise to seal the deal as her asking if I had a condom.
'I think it's a payoff to the Americans the President has always been most intent on pleasing: the richest 1%.'
'What do you mean?' she cooed. I noticed her nipples hardening once more. She dropped to her knees in front of me. She pushed me backwards and positioned my legs up in the air.
'A stock's value is even now only partially tied to the actual value of any publicly traded company. But who's going to profit from inflated valuations when stock prices swell irrationally from the forced, artificial injection of capital?
Her breath was hot on my 'taint as she lifted my scrotum. 'Yes? Yes?'
'You might as well shoehorn billions of dollars into the Baseball Card market. The price of a Derek Jeter rookie will be driven up to hundreds of thousands of dollarsâ"before the bubble bursts and the whole market crashes massively.' It was getting hard to stay on point as she tongue-fucked my shitter vigorously.
'Don't..Stop!!' her contorted mouth pled from my butthole.
'The top 1% will sell stocks at the inflated valuations to the novice investors-by-necessity, the market will swell and crash, and the same 1% will come back and re-purchase their holdings at pennies on the dollar. Meanwhile, Social Security will go bankrupt and all the novice investors will be eating catfood for the duration of their "golden years,'' barring a massive Federal bailout several hundred times in excess of what the Savings & Loan scandal cost us.'
She sprung up on the couch on all fours and looked over her shoulder at me. She pointed to her twitching, puckered anus. 'See this?'
I nodded eagerly.
'I want you to wreck it.'
I spit on my skeezer-pleaser and, prying her ass cheeks apart like a hot dinner roll, drove it home, into the biggest browneye I had ever seen. She gurgled contentedly. Every thrust of my babymaker was met with a wrenched squeal as I grabbed her by the hips and began really leaning into it.
'Harder!' she begged, 'Harder!! Tell me what you think of Chomsky!'
'I..think..he's..brill..iant..but..I..don't really agree with much of his stance on Israel, and--'
'You're slowing down!' she snapped. 'DON'T SLOW DOWN!'
I went back to punishing her asshole, giving no thought whatsoever to compassionate conservatism as her chocolate socket gnawed on my pork pipe. She was babbling now, as out of a delirious reverie.
'Feed it,' Ann Coulter rasped. 'Feed my hungry asshole!'
I buried her face in a throw pillow and she swiveled her hips back on my fuckstick with obvious appreciation. My pace quickened as my man-magma built towards eruption.
'Wait!' she gasped, sensing the fuse on my yogurt cannon was burning quick. 'I want to take you ass-to-mouth!'
I withdrew from her puckerhole with an audible 'pop' and she scrambled around, gulping at my wang-dang-doodle as though the lives of all her loved ones hinged on her marks for enthusiasm. Her eyes rolled up pleadingly as she threw her head down again and again on my magic johnson. I knew what she wanted.
'There is a specter haunting Europe,' I began, and she started to convulse spasmodically with her own thrashing orgasm, her head now dribbling in a blur against my groin. I repeated every Karl Marx quote I could think of until I reached my own 'historic inevitability' and launched surge after surge from my hairy boda bag. I ejaculated with what seemed like enough force to blow out the back of her head--but her head was made of stronger stuff. She sputtered, gobbled and gulped what I'd have to call a very liberal, even radically so, quantity of hot splooey.
Once she caught her breath, she wiped her mouth, stood, and took me by the hand.
'Let's go to the bathroom.'
'Why?'
She seemed surprised I had to ask. Her tone was that of someone reminding another of something too obvious to need mention.
'Uh, so I can get in the tub and you can piss all over me?'



I sat in a robe and watched her as she dressed.
'Will I see you again?' I asked tentatively.
'Sure,' she said, pointing to the TV. 'On that.'
Some moments passed. I tried to dispel the awkward silence.
'Well, nice meeting you,' I offered.
'You've really got a gift for tedious small talk,' she shot back.
I was a little hurt and, recognizing this, she softened just a shade as she reached for her purse to leave.
'Hey.'
'Yes?' I asked.
'Thanks for not staring at my adam's apple.'
'No problem.'
She let herself out without another word, and I sat in the late afternoon silence alone. I considered how it felt to be a disposable instrument in someone's personal debasement fantasy.

All in all, it didn't feel too bad.

Flamebait? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25894853)

This is not flamebait. It is the following

-Funny
-Interesting
-Insightful
-Off topic
-Trolling
-Probably not true

But flamebait? I think not. No one likes Ann Coulter, the only person who would flame about this is Coulter herself.

Re:addiction? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25894757)

It all started when our adventure-loving...adventurer, Sakura, woke up in a bush. It was the sixth time it had happened. Feeling excessively frustrated, Sakura attacked a wolverine, thinking it would make her feel better (but as usual, it did not). A few freaknasty minutes later, she realized that her beloved vagina was missing! Immediately she called her former lay, Aimee. Sakura had known Aimee for (plus or minus) one million years, the majority of which were striking ones. Aimee was unique. She was charismatic though sometimes a little... pestering. Sakura called her anyway, for the situation was urgent.

Aimee picked up to a very nervous Sakura. Aimee calmly assured her that most albino cats turn red before mating, yet 3-legged wallabies usually indiscriminately cringe *after* mating. She had no idea what that meant; she was only concerned with distracting Sakura. Why was Aimee trying to distract Sakura? Because she had snuck out from Sakura's with the vagina only seven days prior. It was a eccentric little vagina... how could she resist?

It didn't take long before Sakura got back to the subject at hand: her vagina. Aimee yawned. Relunctantly, Aimee invited her over, assuring her they'd find the vagina. Sakura grabbed her rhinocerus and disembarked immediately. After hanging up the phone, Aimee realized that she was in trouble. She had to find a place to hide the vagina and she had to do it recklessly. She figured that if Sakura took the rice rocket, she had take at least eleven minutes before Sakura would get there. But if she took the skateboard? Then Aimee would be really screwed.

Before she could come up with any reasonable ideas, Aimee was interrupted by eight stupid flying penises that were lured by her vagina. Aimee belched; 'Not again', she thought. Feeling frustrated, she carefully reached for her live hand grenade and randomly backhanded every last one of them. Apparently this was an adequate deterrent--the discouraged critters began to scurry back toward the bush, squealing with discontent. She exhaled with relief. That's when she heard the skateboard rolling up. It was Sakura.

----o0o----

As she pulled up, she felt a sense of urgency. She had had to make an unscheduled stop at Big Lots to pick up a 12-pack of potatoes, so she knew she was running late. With a apt leap, Sakura was out of the skateboard and went scandalously jaunting toward Aimee's front door. Meanwhile inside, Aimee was panicking. Not thinking, she tossed the vagina into a box of ninja stars and then slid the box behind her giraffe. Aimee was stunned but at least the vagina was concealed. The doorbell rang.

'Come in,' Aimee surreptitiously purred. With a skillful push, Sakura opened the door. 'Sorry for being late, but I was being chased by some selfish beer-sloshed tool in a neighborhood-terrorizing crotch rocket,' she lied. 'It's fine,' Aimee assured her. Sakura took a seat RIGHT next to where Aimee had hidden the vagina. Aimee yawned trying unsuccessfully to hide her nervousness. 'Uhh, can I get you anything?' she blurted. But Sakura was distracted. A few freaknasty minutes later, Aimee noticed a annoying look on Sakura's face. Sakura slowly opened her mouth to speak.

'...What's that smell?'

Aimee felt a stabbing pain in her double chin when Sakura asked this. In a moment of disbelief, she realized that she had hidden the vagina right by her oscillating fan. 'Wh-what? I don't smell anything..!' A lie. A pestering look started to form on Sakura's face. She turned to notice a box that seemed clearly out of place. 'Th-th-those are just my grandma's live hand grenades from when she used to have pet man-eating capybaras. She, uh...dropped 'em by here earlier'. Sakura nodded with fake acknowledgement...then, before Aimee could react, Sakura fearlessly lunged toward the box and opened it. The vagina was plainly in view.

Sakura stared at Aimee for what what must've been six hours. Like a drunken sailor at happy hour, Aimee groped explosively in Sakura's direction, clearly desperate. Sakura grabbed the vagina and bolted for the door. It was locked. Aimee let out a electric chuckle. 'If only you hadn't been so protective of that thing, none of this would have happened, Sakura,' she rebuked. Aimee always had been a little pestering, so Sakura knew that reconciliation was not an option; she needed to escape before Aimee did something crazy, like... start chucking bananas at her or something. Happy as a frickin' monkey, she gripped her vagina tightly and made a dash toward the window, diving headlong through the glass panels.

Aimee looked on, blankly. 'What the hell? That seemed excessive. The other door was open, you know.' Silence from Sakura. 'And to think, I varnished that window frame two days ago...it never ends!' Suddenly she felt a tinge of concern for Sakura. 'Oh. You ..okay?' Still silence. Aimee walked over to the window and looked down. Sakura was gone.

----o0o----

Just yonder, Sakura was struggling to make her way through the lemur-infested moor behind Aimee's place. Sakura had severely hurt her breasts during the window incident, and was starting to lose strength. Another pack of feral flying penises suddenly appeared, having caught wind of the vagina. One by one they latched on to Sakura. Already weakened from her injury, Sakura yielded to the sticky onslaught and collapsed. The last thing she saw before losing consciousness was a buzzing horde of flying penises running off with her vagina.

About nine hours later, Sakura awoke, her anus throbbing. It was dark and Sakura did not know where she was. Deep in the arid disease-infested jungle, Sakura was abnormally lost. Heart filled with earnest fortitude, she remembered that her vagina was taken by the flying penises. But at that point, she was just thankful for her life. That's when, to her horror, a little flying penis emerged from the disease-infested jungle. It was the alpha flying penis. Sakura opened her mouth to scream but was cut short when the flying penis flew into Sakura's mouth. With a faint groan, the life escaped from Sakura's lungs, but not before she realized that she was a failure.

Less than ten miles away, Aimee was entombed by anguish over the loss of the vagina. 'MY PRECIOUS!!' she cried, as she reached for a sharpened wolverine. With a deft thrust, she buried it deeply into her double chin. As the room began to fade to black, she thought about Sakura... wishing she had found the courage to tell her that she loved her. But she would die alone that day. All that remained was the vagina that had turned them against each other, ultimately causing their demise. And as the dew on melancholy sappling branches began to reflect the dawn's reddish glare, all that could be heard was the chilling cry of distant flying penises, desecrating all things sacred to virtuous men, and perpetuating an evil that would reign for centuries to come. Our heroes would've lived unhappily ever after, but they were too busy being dead. So, no one lived forever after, the end. :'(

Re:addiction? (4, Funny)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894845)

I would love to reply, but I am busy grinding my sixth level 80 toon in World of Warcraft. Only came here as I was on a loading screen. Bye - got to go grind again now.

I'm addicted to Slashdot (4, Funny)

Abreu (173023) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894359)

...or at least that's what I'll claim if I am ever confronted by my employers about my internet usage logs at work

Re:I'm addicted to Slashdot (1)

pitchpipe (708843) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894441)

In other words, the patients have turned to heavy gaming because they felt they didn't fit in elsewhere, or that they fit in better 'in the game' than elsewhere in 'the real world.'

Que ChongSpeak
"Hey man, you're not addicted, just 'cuz your smokin' it all the time man doesn't mean you're addicted, you just don't fit in in the real world like all of us, man."

Re:I'm addicted to Slashdot (1)

loopinvariant (1366873) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894467)

What do you mean, there are logs?

Re:I'm addicted to Slashdot (1)

Architect_sasyr (938685) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894809)

If your admin isn't secretly keeping logs of you then (s)he is doing something very wrong. And very nice.

Re:I'm addicted to Slashdot (1)

peragrin (659227) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894911)

unless of course your keeping the logs of what the admin is doing.

Re:I'm addicted to Slashdot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25894677)

Enjoy the porn:

http://mrfriendly.freehostia.com/

Re:I'm addicted to Slashdot (2)

mrfriendly (536996) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894973)

WTF? Don't use my username as your pornsite bitch!

No I'm not addicted.. (4, Funny)

i_want_you_to_throw_ (559379) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894367)

Take your pick.....
  • Ik kan ophouden met wanneer ik wil
  • Je peux stopper quand je veux
  • Ich kann beendigen, wenn ich wünsche
  • Posso rinunciare quando voglio
  • Eu posso parar quando eu quero
  • Puedo parar cuando quiero

Re:No I'm not addicted.. (1)

ChrisMP1 (1130781) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894479)

Talk about a showoff. Do you really know Dutch, French, German, Italian, Portuguese, and Spanish, or did you Babelfish it? Add "Mi povas chesighi kiam mi volas.", though I know I'll get yelled at for speaking Esperanto. For all the monoglots out there, that's "I can stop when I want to."

- P.S. "chesighi" should be "cesigi", with a circumflex ^ over C and G. Is /. really so far behind times that it can't handle Unicode?

Re:No I'm not addicted.. (2, Informative)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894511)

and "stopper" is "franglais," not french ... :-)

Re:No I'm not addicted.. (1)

Scottar (969033) | more than 5 years ago | (#25895249)

(Doubt that worked)

Re:No I'm not addicted.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25895071)

Most certainly babelfished. The German would be "Ich kann aufhören, wenn ich möchte".

P.S. ./ handles some unicode in html (3.2) if you choose "html formatted". ö would be & # 246; without the spaces, of course.

Re:No I'm not addicted.. (1)

jonaskoelker (922170) | more than 5 years ago | (#25895435)

For all the monoglots out there

And also for those who only speak their native language and English. Or their native language, Russian and English. Or the seven different languages spoken natively and locally on their non-Europe continent, and English.

Is /. really so far behind times that it can't handle Unicode?

I'd like to confidently say that parent shows up as "wÃf¼nsche", but I don't know how that string looks to you.

Re:No I'm not addicted.. (1)

mrsteveman1 (1010381) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894917)

You forgot one

Click click pop click pop click

Re:No I'm not addicted.. (2, Funny)

dougisfunny (1200171) | more than 5 years ago | (#25895463)

or Bork bork bork, bork bork bork.

Re:No I'm not addicted.. (1)

Warhawke (1312723) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894963)

Je pense que vous voulez dire "arretêr", pas stopper.

Re:No I'm not addicted.. (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 5 years ago | (#25895305)

Je pense que vous voulez dire "arrÃter", pas "arretÃr".

Re:No I'm not addicted.. (2, Funny)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 5 years ago | (#25895315)

Godamn slashdot can't even get UTF-8 right.

That should have been:
Je pense que vous voulez dire "arrêter", pas "arretêr".

That's not Swedish ... (2, Funny)

LrdDimwit (1133419) | more than 5 years ago | (#25895417)

Beersh de stoppen de suverde heur fleefum wantum. Bork bork bork!

Hey Editors (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25894371)

and claims than males are wired for video-game addiction.

Just because it passes spell check, does not mean that you've edited or proofread anything. You'd think that after countless examples, people in general would have learned this by now. Good day.

No comments? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25894387)

Everyone else must be addicted to video games...

Really? (5, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894405)

Why do people still listen to the media is beyond me. Every single year they come up with something that is either A) addicting and damaging to minds B) corrupting the family/children/society or C) is somehow harmful. Be it rock and roll, cell phones, video games, comic books, etc, the media always comes up with some "studies" to back them up while two months later showing studies that prove just the opposite is true, why haven't people realized that the media has cried wolf far too many times and just tune the crap out?

Re:Really? (5, Insightful)

causality (777677) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894457)

Why do people still listen to the media is beyond me. Every single year they come up with something that is either A) addicting and damaging to minds B) corrupting the family/children/society or C) is somehow harmful. Be it rock and roll, cell phones, video games, comic books, etc, the media always comes up with some "studies" to back them up while two months later showing studies that prove just the opposite is true, why haven't people realized that the media has cried wolf far too many times and just tune the crap out?

Because maybe the only real addiction we have is allowing self-appointed "experts" and authorities to do our thinking for us.

Re:Really? (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 5 years ago | (#25895335)

I really do trust someone like Lancet or any number of medical journals to give me the skinny on a particular topic based on tons of clinical trials and thousands of pages of raw data and meta analyses.

Re:Really? (5, Insightful)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894481)

The problem is a social one rather than a psychological issue. In other words, the patients have turned to $ADDICTION because they felt they didn't fit in elsewhere,

Fixed. A good support system is a cure for all but the most virulent psychoses, but there's a lot of money to be made on medicalizing things which are otherwise curable through a support system. Unfortunately, most addicts are given drugs and/or forced to attend $ADDICTION anonymous meetings which do more harm that good: If you were a drunk, would want to do be forced into a smoke-filled room crammed in with other folks who are just as pissed for being there as you are, probably fiending for drinks? Also, the "higher power" thing dosen't work for atheists.

Re:Really? (4, Funny)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894715)

Also, the "higher power" thing dosen't work for atheists.

Doesn't really 'work' for the faithful either, but don't tell them! I like them confused.

Re:Really? (1)

Digital End (1305341) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894945)

so do the priests and televangalists who feed off of them

Re:Really? (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#25895137)

Unfortunately, most addicts are given drugs and/or forced to attend $ADDICTION anonymous meetings which do more harm that good: If you were a drunk, would want to do be forced into a smoke-filled room crammed in with other folks who are just as pissed for being there as you are, probably fiending for drinks?

Hmmmm...have you been to $ADDICTION anonymous meetings? Most of the people there are not pissed off, at least not at the good meetings. Most aren't court ordered, either.

Also, the "higher power" thing dosen't work for atheists.

Sure it does. Check this guy out [positiveatheism.org] . Atheists just usually say something along the lines of 'higher power' == 'the power of the program' or some such.

Really. Don't knock the 12 Step programs until you've tried them -- in earnest.

Re:Really? (1)

deraj123 (1225722) | more than 5 years ago | (#25895381)

Good point. I have witnessed this as well. I attended two AA meetings a number of years ago (court ordered, I was underage). On top of being a very sobering experience, it was also a very warming experience. I was the only person required to be there, everyone else seemed truly interested in their own salvation. From all of the various people there, in different walks of life, at different stages in the program, they all wanted to be there. The support they provided each other, the encouragement, was truly amazing.

I mentioned that I was ordered to the meetings - wasn't due to any alcoholism, just part of an underage drinking charge. I believe the intent was exposure, and it certainly had an effect on me. When I first went, I had no interest in being there, and was a little pissed. By the end of the first meeting I was simply impressed, and at the second meeting I wasn't mad at all - the meetings were too inspiring (and depressing at the same time) to be mad about.

Re:Really? (4, Insightful)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | more than 5 years ago | (#25895157)

What the hell are you talking about?

Yes, a good support system is VERY important for just about every psychological disorder or problem, but it is not a cure-all and and it not guarantee.

If you admit that our psychology derives from brain (and body) workings and that internal states and behaviors are affected by chemical changes, then it stands to reason that many psychological problems may be due to, say, certain brain circuitry being more prone to fire and/or some abnormality or otherwise undesirable neurotransmitter activity.

Too many people assume, "make them think positive thoughts, the problem will fix itself" and don't realize that the negative thoughts are a product of biological function and may be due to the chemical or neural activity.

Drugs are usually not meant to be taken alone without treatment. They're supposed to be given along with therapy, often some form of cognitive-behavioral therapy. They're also given to help improve the quality of life in the short term during therapy.

As for $ADDICTION Anonymous meetings, it is a well-known fact that recovery pretty much requires that the person actually be motivated to recover. Additionally, people being treated for addictions, usually in rehab, are usually told to avoid anything addicting; people in rehab often cannot even eat chocolate or drink coffee. AA is not the only addiction support group people can join; if a judge sentences someone to AA specifically he's an idiot.

I suspect you're thinking of Penn & Teller's Bullshit! episode here. While they do make some good arguments, I don't think their point was more to the arbitrary nature of the 12-step programs and not the actual support groups themselves. Silly things like recognizing a higher power and other stuff, that's nonsense, but providing motivations for recovery, goalposts that they can look forward to--basically rewards--does help work.

But, even past all this, sometimes drugs really are necessary. No single treatment is ever a true guarantee.

Re:Really? (1)

isBandGeek() (1369017) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894575)

Because many people don't know how to approach a media report with skepticism.

Re:Really? (1)

philspear (1142299) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894615)

Why do people still listen to the media is beyond me.

Well, media which is wrong even most of the time is still more accurate than ignorance.

It's also in reality easier to tell what's crap and what's important. Professional pundits making predictions about anything, "doctors" talking about new societal diseases, economists making predictions, celebrity news, "human interest stories" that don't involve actual suffering... that's purely for entertainment purposes, or should be.

Re:Really? (1)

andreyvul (1176115) | more than 5 years ago | (#25895445)

Well, media which is wrong even most of the time is still more accurate than ignorance.

Egad! Is Fox news really more accurate than ignorance?

"the media" (-1, Troll)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894655)

oooh, its the universal bogeyman of the far right and the far left: "the media"

it spreads lies, its biased, its stupid, its harmful

blah blah blah

we're social animals. we communicate. we get information from the world this way. some of what we hear is bullshit, some of it is not. we have a bullshit meter, and we filter out the bullshit

have you found a magical fountain of information which is omnipotent, completely unbiased, and always on topic? where do you get your information from? voices in your head? random gossipy ladies in the street because she's not corporate media?

but don't worry about my cynicism. you found my voice on slashdot, which is part of "the media", right? you can safely dismiss me as a propagandized sheeple victim of "the media"

dun duh DUNNN

look out!

it's "the media"

pfffffffffffft

Re:"the media" (3, Funny)

maglor_83 (856254) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894763)

have you found a magical fountain of information which is omnipotent, completely unbiased, and always on topic?

Slashdot. Duh!

Re:Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25894957)

Addicting is not a word, you fucking douchebag.

Good problem, wrong source (1)

LrdDimwit (1133419) | more than 5 years ago | (#25895455)

Considering that this same old bullshift has been trotted around going back all the way to when novels were invented, you can't blame the media for it (they didn't exist yet!). And yes, at first, reading fiction (of any kind) was considered lowbrow; this is why Gulliver's Travels was presented as if it were a travelogue. This has been going around for so long, about every new society-changing technology that ever came along, that you can't blame the media. They're just a mirror -- even if, more often than not, it is a kind of funhouse mirror. Without that intimate connection to all of us, the media wouldn't have such power in the first place.

This isn't a problem with "the media". It's a problem with "the public."

Re:Really? (1)

elloGov (1217998) | more than 5 years ago | (#25895475)

Aye! Where to next captain? :)

uh? (2, Interesting)

Vexorian (959249) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894417)

The problem is a social one rather than a psychological issue. In other words, the patients have turned to heavy gaming because they felt they didn't fit in elsewhere

So, is this saying that they are not addicted or that they are addicted because of social issues?

Re:uh? (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894421)

So, is this saying that they are not addicted or that they are addicted because of social issues?

Basically, they aren't addicted because of video games they just enjoy playing them.

Re:uh? (4, Insightful)

blueg3 (192743) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894487)

If there's no physical or psychological dependence, they're not addicted. Turning to games for social reasons doesn't constitute addiction.

Re:uh? (0, Troll)

DriedClexler (814907) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894603)

Yeah, that was kinda unclear. Let me clarify:

It's politically incorrect to say that some ghetto druggie "isn't addicted, but just likes getting high more than working". So, to make it more palatable, ghetto druggies are classified as "psychologically addicted, beyond their control".

On the other hand, video game addicts ... come on, man! It's just a bunch of white kids that need to get their act together and stop spending so much time on the Xbox! That's clearly not a psychological addiction! Come on, they're old enough to handle their problems on their own. They just need a good dose of "tough love"!

"Video game addiction! *snort* You gotta be joking, right?"

Re:uh? (1)

Keramos (1263560) | more than 5 years ago | (#25895069)

"Video game addiction! *snort* You gotta be joking, right?"

I think trying to *snort* it will just end up with a joystick stuck in your nostril, not an addiction.

Re:uh? (4, Insightful)

Dhalka226 (559740) | more than 5 years ago | (#25895083)

For starters, do you honestly believe that poor blacks are diagnosed MORE often with psychological conditions than affluent whites? Really? You really believe that someone trying to be both racist and politically correct at the same time is going to give these people an excuse for their behavior rather than simply throwing them in jail?

Second, when your getting high takes the place of working I'm pretty sure you ARE an addict, by definition. Your "hobby" is interfering with your life. This would be true of people playing video games as well, and you'll note that the article never stated that video game addiction is not real or that nobody who came into their clinic was, in their estimation, legitimately addicted to video games. Just that the majority of them weren't. (That's also not to say that they were what psychologists would consider to be mentally well; but being unwell and being addicted are not necessarily one in the same.)

More importantly, addiction is (among other things) an inability to stop your behavior. If that druggie really can stop doing drugs tomorrow, he's not addicted--same with a video game addict. The distinction the article seems to be drawing is that being unable to stop a behavior and not having another choice available due to other psychological issues aren't the same. These people fill their lives with video games because they have no other social interactions to fill them with. It's bad, maybe worse than addiction--but I would agree that it is not, in itself, actually addiction.

Re:uh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25895101)

On the other hand, video game addicts ... come on, man! It's just a bunch of white kids that need to get their act together and stop spending so much time on the Xbox! That's clearly not a psychological addiction! Come on, they're old enough to handle their problems on their own. They just need a good dose of "tough love"!

"Video game addiction! *snort* You gotta be joking, right?"

Yes, because the best way to deal with somebody with a problem is to mock them.

Asshole.

Re:uh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25895161)

Whoosh, dipshit.

I'm sure this story is interesting and all.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25894423)

..but I don't have time to read it because I need to get back to my quests in Lich King. All of my friends are already lvl 80 and I'm still stuck on 76.

Re:I'm sure this story is interesting and all.. (1)

fractoid (1076465) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894449)

You too? It sucks having a job and a life, hey. :P

intervention (5, Funny)

El Puerco Loco (31491) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894459)

the addiction industry is out of control in this country. somebody ought to stage an intervention.

Re:intervention (1)

Eudial (590661) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894671)

the addiction industry is out of control in this country. somebody ought to stage an intervention.

I predict that the intervention intervention industry will emerge in the near future, and escalate into a point where intervention intervention interventions are necessary.

Re:intervention (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25894687)

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Demise of hobby clubs (5, Interesting)

syousef (465911) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894463)

One reason...It use to be that these people could join a club and usually a "geeky" one: A Chess club, a remote control aircraft club, a rocketry club, a science club, an electronics club. These kinds of organisations are disappearing and the activities are being labelled as dangerous or complete social death to get involved in, leaving a void which is being filled with idle gaming.

Re:Demise of hobby clubs (5, Insightful)

teh moges (875080) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894719)

+1 Insightful if I had mod points.

Another contributing factor is, I have to say, laziness. It is much easier to stay at home, connect the Xbox to the net and play a game, then it was even 5 years ago to organize for all your mates to come around to play Perfect Dark multiplayer in the same room.

People often ignore the benefits of the social interaction, and this causes problems long term, as its hard to switch 'back' once you have isolated yourself even a little from your community.

Re:Demise of hobby clubs (1)

red90tsi (1404931) | more than 5 years ago | (#25895131)

Playing WoW saves me money in the long run, sure I dont have much of a social life outside of close freinds, but it saves me Bar-Hopping and spending $200+ per weekend plus the gas and taxi involved. The way I look at it, it keeps me out of trouble and I can drink and Wow without getting arrested.

Re:Demise of hobby clubs (1)

WrongMonkey (1027334) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894871)

Are those organizations disappearing and videogames are merely filling the void? Or are the potential members of those clubs spending they're time playing videogames and don't want to get involved?

Re:Demise of hobby clubs (5, Insightful)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894877)

You seem to be claiming that the disappearance of these clubs is causing kids to be gamers. I think it's exactly the opposite: Video games are causing kids not to be interested in those clubs, so they disappear due to lack of interest.

I -love- math and science, but if you give me the choice between hanging out with a bunch of kids that are interested in math or playing video games, the choice is obvious.

In addition, I can get all the info I need from the internet. I no longer have to deal with people or libraries or anything. Kids have the exact same access that I do, so it's not surprising that the smart ones choose to get their information fast and accurate, instead of wasting time. (Yes, information on the net is still far more accurate than talking to schoolkids about it.)

Re:Demise of hobby clubs (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25895171)

One reason...It use to be that these people could join a club and usually a "geeky" one: A Chess club, a remote control aircraft club, a rocketry club, a science club, an electronics club. These kinds of organisations are disappearing and the activities are being labelled as dangerous or complete social death to get involved in, leaving a void which is being filled with idle gaming.

Yeah, because all the traditional, pre-internet outlets of 'geekiness' used to command so much more respect than spending all your time gaming. These activities always were 'social death'.
I have a theory that the reason gaming gets a disproportionate amount of media attention for supposed 'violence' is because of its accessibility not to minors, but to those seen as nerds. There is a need to see the socially 'weak' retain their introverted role of passive victim. Games go against this by providing an outlet for the frustration visited upon them by the rest of society (however vicarious the aggression of a video game is), but the natural social laws wired into the human mind (at least among the non-introverted majority) do not allow this.
If all video games were non-violent and never had been, they might still have be popular among 'nerds' but they would also by association be 'social death' as the OP describes.

Re:Demise of hobby clubs (1)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | more than 5 years ago | (#25895191)

That's very true. But gaming is not "idle". With the internet, gaming is often the greatest means by which geeks build their own particular type of social networks and otherwise can interact with people. They can find other people with the same interests with them online. Games like World of Warcraft don't (necessarily) make people socially isolated--they are actually the way a particular person may socialize! Too often we view a particular solution to some underlying symptom or problem as the problem itself because we do not understand the nature of the problem, or as is so often the case confuse cause and effect, and through ignorance and stupidity, make things worse for people.

Males? (5, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894521)

Yeah, I'll say. I just got done having a three hour bitch fest yesterday with a friend of mine who's BF is 'addicted' to World of Warcraft. She doesn't have a lot of experience with boys (much more with girls -- no comments on this please!), and I've had to mother her a bit on why a boy can sink twenty or more hours a week into a video game and says it "helps me relax and challenges me", but afterwords can't come up with anything better to do than "go bowling" ("where"? "Umm... I'm sure there's one around somewhere"), or "go for a walk".

I tried my best to explain how men are so much more visually oriented than girls, but it's a hard concept to really explain. It's not that they're addicted to video games, it's just that the game provides more visual action than the real world so they're more strongly attracted to it. Girls read books, boys watch movies--Boys play video games, girls play board games, that kind of thing. They really are wired different and it's damn frustrating.

I often find myself wishing for video games that helped build social skills for these kind of boys -- the ones that are awkward and introverted in public, but if you can get them to open up they're nice teddy bears. I don't think they'd want to play it though, unless it involved blowing up or shooting something. :( Like The Sims -- awesome game, but the only people I know who play it are other girls! Am I hoping for too much here? Is there some way to use some visual medium to help boys crawl out of their shell?

Re:Males? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25894571)

tell your g/f if she wants to do something with her b/f, she can suck his cock while he plays WoW. it's relationship building, really.

Re:Males? (-1, Troll)

LordKaT (619540) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894713)

nobody cares

Re:Males? (1)

Taken07 (1395851) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894733)

So .. does this make me different from all the guys in the world because I play the sims?

Re:Males? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25895119)

Yes.
It makes you a girl, apparently.

Re:Males? (5, Insightful)

Yosho (135835) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894781)

Yeah, I'll say. I just got done having a three hour bitch fest yesterday with a friend of mine who's BF is 'addicted' to World of Warcraft. She doesn't have a lot of experience with boys (much more with girls -- no comments on this please!), and I've had to mother her a bit on why a boy can sink twenty or more hours a week into a video game and says it "helps me relax and challenges me", but afterwords can't come up with anything better to do than "go bowling" ("where"? "Umm... I'm sure there's one around somewhere"), or "go for a walk".

This may be a silly question, but -- she may have spent three hours bitching to you about it, but has she spent that much time talking to him about it? Nothing is going to change unless he wants to change, and that will not happen unless he understands and accepts that there is a problem.

As a guy, one of the largest frustrations I've had with many (but not all, fortunately) girls is that when something is upsetting them they won't just tell me about it. They might make it obvious that they're upset about something in general, but me being unable to guess exactly what is apparently just another failure on my part. Casually saying something like, "Oh, I wish you'd spend less time playing WoW" doesn't count -- his internal reaction will be "Ok, I'll log off fifteen minutes early today," then he'll shrug and move on.

If the amount of time he spends playing WoW is a serious problem, he needs to be told plainly that it is a serious problem. If he accepts that it's a problem, he can fix it, but otherwise his girlfriend will either have to just accept it or leave him. She's only going to make herself more frustrated if she thinks that he'll change if she just waits long enough.

Re:Males? (4, Interesting)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 5 years ago | (#25895175)

his may be a silly question, but -- she may have spent three hours bitching to you about it, but has she spent that much time talking to him about it?

Dammit, this wasn't supposed to be about my friend, but whether games can help boys develop social skills--instead of providing an escape from socially awkward situations. And yes, she has.

Casually saying something like, "Oh, I wish you'd spend less time playing WoW" doesn't count -- his internal reaction will be "Ok, I'll log off fifteen minutes early today," then he'll shrug and move on.

girlspeak translation: Get off the damn computer and pay attention to me when I'm around. It's damn rude to have someone over and then leave them to entertain themselves so you can go play a video game. Homework or a few minutes of e-mail, not a big deal... Wasting four hours on a video game because you need to "relax"... It gives a clear message: I'm not wanted. And when it's my boyfriend doing that, then it's elevate to not only aren't I wanted, but that I'm less attractive than a hunk of circuits and plastic. So yeah, most girls are going to be rightly pissed about that!

If he accepts that it's a problem, he can fix it, but otherwise his girlfriend will either have to just accept it or leave him.

And yet they wonder why we call it an addiction...

Re:Males? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25895473)

Get off the damn computer and pay attention to me when I'm around. It's damn rude to have someone over and then leave them to entertain themselves so you can go play a video game.

So what is the most probable altenative thing to do? Have a chitchat? Watch TV? etc.. Are they more appealing than video games? And remember Halo 3 > Sex.. (WoW > RL). This also applies to other fields that people would spend so much time with. (I wonder how the wives of Einstein felt?)

Conclusion.. your friend picked the wrong BF. And apparently the guy also picked the wrong GF but as always will try to shrug the fact and hope the problem go away.

Re:Males? (2, Interesting)

RuBLed (995686) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894847)

I'd try to be serious here. XD (because this could work)

Quest - Reward system. People (and males) do tend to work their ass off if it rewards them in the end. That is why any start of a relationship is the most "activity-filled" moments. But as time goes by, doing monotonous things for almost nothing doesn't interest as much.

That is where the Reward system kicks in. If one wants to do something, the other one must also benefit or be rewarded in one way or another (which he/she likes). It could be in a form of a gift, homemade cookies, preparing food, etc (no matter how small in quality and quantity it is). It would gives us at least a sense of accomplishment or reward and would not view the activity as a charity work. XD

just my 0.02

Re:Males? (3, Insightful)

MaskedSlacker (911878) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894869)

Pro-tip: If you do not want people commenting on irrelevant information, don't provide. That said, if she's unhappy with him, I'm available. *wink**wink*

Re:Males? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25894905)

b00bi3z!!

Sorry, it's true.

Re:Males? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25895049)

20 hours a week is probably how much time my in-laws spend watching TV. 3 hours a day... I do think it's excessive but I think the rest of America would probably disagree with me.

The real question is: does he pay his bills? Does he take showers? Does he show up late for work? Does he spend his time at work buying magic items or some such thing instead of working?

What my therapist told me about addiction: addicts are people who don't "show up" for life. They are "somewhere else" while life passes them by. If this describes your friend's BF then he has a problem, whether or not it is officially "addiction".

Re:Males? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25895233)

I tried my best to explain how men are so much more visually oriented than girls, but it's a hard concept to really explain. It's not that they're addicted to video games, it's just that the game provides more visual action than the real world so they're more strongly attracted to it. Girls read books, boys watch movies--Boys play video games, girls play board games, that kind of thing. They really are wired different and it's damn frustrating.

Mmmmmmmm'kay. Quite a list of stereotypes minus the kitchen sink. Gee. I didn't know girls aren't visually oriented. Last time I strolled through the web design department, it was mostly female. Last time I looked at the web programming department, mostly male. Design -> pictures -> visually oriented. Programming -> words -> reading oriented. Lesson is: goofy sweeping stereotypes such as the one you provided are invalid.

Re:Males? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25895319)

Ok, I don't know how to break this to you and not sound nasty but women everywhere must be told....

simply, and don't get offended,

women are boring, do boring things, are hopeless at telling stories and their sole reason for existing seems to be to ruin man-fun.

To paraphrase patrice o'neal (sp?):

"You know what you never hear? A guy with a bunch of his friends at a party - having a great time, laughing, fooling around suddenly stop and say, you know what's missing here, what would really make tonight great... if my wife/girlfriend was here!"

Nerds not addicts (5, Insightful)

camg188 (932324) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894533)

turned to heavy gaming because they felt they didn't fit in elsewhere

So 90% were nerds, not addicts.

Gaming Addition Patents... (1)

FunkyRider (1128099) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894581)

Gaming Addition Patents... That's what I read the title. I thought oh.. ok, so game addiction has becoming patented, brilliant!
1.Patent gaming addiction
2.Sit on your ass and wait for people to play games
3. ???
4. Profit!!!

Re:Gaming Addition Patents... (1)

LordKaT (619540) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894723)

Gaming addition? You mean the theory that 100,000 = new life?

Define: addiction (3, Insightful)

WarJolt (990309) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894611)

to devote or surrender (oneself) to something habitually or obsessively. ie. addicted to gambling

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/addicted [merriam-webster.com]

Most people devote a great deal of their time socializing and thus become comfortable socializing. It's part of normal human development. We are social creatures. I tend to think that addiction starts when it causes problems in your life.

The problem is few have studied the long term impact of not learning how to socialize with someone without a LCD screen and a Internet connection. I could potentially see problems arising because not learning how to socialize only makes someone feel even more alienated.

Can you see the potential downward spiral that could apply to this situation that is typically reserved for drug abuse?

Re:Define: addiction (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894767)

I tend to think that addiction starts when it causes problems in your life.

Then video games are very rarely, if ever, addicting. Some people socialize in different ways, some people prefer to talk to people over the phone rather than in person, some people are the total opposite, still others prefer using text messages and e-mail. Just look at letters, today's video game and social network based society is nothing more than an extension of letters and telephones.

Can you see the potential downward spiral that could apply to this situation that is typically reserved for drug abuse?

No, no more than the invention of the US postal service and telephones have made us be addicted to them.

In other news... (1)

NinthAgendaDotCom (1401899) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894673)

People who diagnosed their mental disorder online are not disordered.

tangent (4, Funny)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894695)

is it possible to be a sex addict?

aren't we all sex addicts?

isn't this the only way to ensure the survival of our species?

show me a roomful of intelligent, platonic, perfectly personality matched non sex addicted couples, and i'l show you the extinction of homo sapiens in 1.4 generations

show me a roomful of sex addicted drunk raving idiots, and i'll show you 6 billion homo sapiens in a couple thousand generations

Re:tangent (3, Informative)

MaskedSlacker (911878) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894971)

Wouldn't take nearly that long. Modern humans have only existed for 10,000 generations, and were nearly wiped to extinction (to possibly as few as 1,000 breeding pairs) only 3,500 generations ago. Compare 20th century population growth to prior centuries. A roomful (say 10 breeding pairs) could reach 6 billion in less than a hundred generations easily, given sufficient available resources.

Re:tangent (1)

jwiegley (520444) | more than 5 years ago | (#25895055)

Are you presenting this as proof by example?

Re:tangent (1)

ring-eldest (866342) | more than 5 years ago | (#25895149)

platonic, perfectly personality matched non sex addicted couples, and i'l show you the extinction of homo sapiens

It's sad that the first thought that came to mind for me here was that it would be pretty easy to extract semen samples from those couples, storing them in a genetic database in the cryo-freezer in the closet, and then artificially inseminating the females... /facepalm

Oh well. At least Northrend will help me through the pain.

Re:tangent (2, Insightful)

w0mprat (1317953) | more than 5 years ago | (#25895231)

Your dead right. Addiction as a problem is really a manifestation of a fault in the system which also gives us our drive to survive and succeed.

Like most human behaviors, it's a useful trait 90% of the time. 10% of time when it gets out of hand, you can consider it an illness requiring remedy.

This is why tagging the term addiction on any problem for an individual brings up all kinds of issues. Genuine addiction is very neurological/chemical, other examples may be inaccurately labeled addiction but the fault is actually behavioral. The lay person's understanding of the clinical definition is clearly different.

Ok so, kids who spend alot of time playing 'WoW' because they don't fit in socially, whats the problem? They'll probably learn some social skills in the game, whereas if they remain marooned in real life they will just become socially isolated as a lot of these kids do.

If some young person was doing some useful task, with the same pattern of compulsive behavior, would it still be called addiction by the concerned parent observing?

Further, isn't it really actually rather funny how any reasonable analysis (anything other than knee-jerk finger pointing) of issues for young people boils right down to social problems and deficient parenting?

Scratch that, what the hell am I saying: if we didn't have bullying in schools and a social structure that marginalizes eccentrics and intellectuals we wouldn't be able to breed the sub population of scientists and engineers that make the world a better place to live. :D ... Go bully some nerds and make sure they're never invited to parties! We need smart technical people to fix our planet, we can pump gas into their Ferraris, but ahah, their still nerds!

Let the pavlovian bells ring (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25894711)

It's fascinating that whenever a study comes up that threatens/confirms the mythology of geekdom that prevails on this site, it is customary to dismiss/hail the work exclusively on the basis of its conclusion, not its methods. Few here are likely in a position to evaluate serious social or psych research, but many are eager to jump on the we-are-the-misunderstood-victims-and-everyone-else-is-clueless bandwagon.

Diablo & WoW... AkA Slot Machines (4, Interesting)

Silentknyght (1042778) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894873)

I played World of Warcraft (heavily, until I got married). I played Diablo (I & II, pretty heavily). I played Counter Strike for hours on end, very competitively. Two-three years ago, I would classify myself as a hardcore gamer. That said... I cannot deny the striking similarities between these games and slot machines. The addiction similarities between these games and gambling addition, particularly slot machines, is strong.

Some (admittedly anecdotal) evidence. Don't tell me you never did these things, too:
* "farmed" mobs/bosses/instances/etc in WoW for a random, rare drop.
* loaded and reloaded the barbarian highlands level in diablo II umpteen times to farm for random, rare, drops
* got feelings of joy at the sight of one color triggered at a particular point in the game

All these things seem like more "pulls" on the slot machine, waiting for the lights and sounds to let you know you won. Is there potential for gambiling-addition-like issues in videogames? Yes. Am I terribly concerned and am I going to stop gaming? No.

Re:Diablo & WoW... AkA Slot Machines (2, Insightful)

socrplayr813 (1372733) | more than 5 years ago | (#25895213)

I definitely agree that there is a parallel with slots/gambling/whatever. I think it's something that more people need to acknowledge. Games are great way to entertain/challenge yourself, but there is a point where they need to be turned off. Now, I'm not saying that people shouldn't play games or that these people are necessarily addicts, but the internet should not replace all social interaction.

We need to keep in mind that a good number of these people have turned to games as a way to escape from a feeling of helplessness or social awkwardness. They become powerful in their online world and it's difficult to leave that, especially when you don't know how to approach the 'real' world. I know this is true for at least some 'addicts' because that's exactly what my issue was/is. It took me a long time to figure it out for myself.

What would be ideal is for someone to reach out to the 'addicts' and show them that they are interesting people in their own right and encourage them to come outside. I don't know how feasible that is as a large-scale solution, but I know that having a friend drag me out to go bowling or something would be much more effective than trying to lock me in a room with other 'defective' people. I'd actually welcome the chance to get out of the house, even if it were difficult.

Re:Diablo & WoW... AkA Slot Machines (1)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | more than 5 years ago | (#25895409)

Anything highly rewarding can be addicting.

Alcohol (2, Interesting)

dohzer (867770) | more than 5 years ago | (#25894941)

I don't have an alcohol addiction, I just feel like I fit in better when I'm drunk. So that means I'm not addicted, right?

When it's social... (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 5 years ago | (#25895015)

As someone I trust quite a bit has said before, when it's a social/personality problem there isn't much that can be done.

But once you call it a disease or an addiction, then it's something to be managed with an hour or two a week at $400 on someone's insurance for the rest of their life.

This is one reason why there are so many new "addictions" out there.

The remainder are actually addicted? (1)

LackThereof (916566) | more than 5 years ago | (#25895099)

So, 10% actually ARE addicted to video games?

Sounds like video games are DANGEROUS and should be HEAVILY REGULATED as a schedule 1 drug like Marijuana.

I'm a gamer myself and the prob isn't social. (2, Interesting)

bronney (638318) | more than 5 years ago | (#25895141)

I don't know how many gamers out there share the same feeling as me, but I don't game to get away from the real world, or that I am addicted, or for other stupid reasons.

It's sad to game! I game because it's the cheapest form of entertainment. From the days of the QEMM, a fixed money you spent on a box will last you god know how many hours.

I have a decent job now, and I still game a lot. Not because I am addicted. If I can spend a weekend on a boat, or in the garage tuning my Skyline GTR, or even just a Golf GL, I would. But I can't, so I game.

If I feel the urge to earn myself that Golf GL, I would. But I don't, so I game.

Go to school.

Keep it simple, stupid (1)

sleeponthemic (1253494) | more than 5 years ago | (#25895221)

It is beyond my comprehension why people must insist on debating levels and context of addiction. The reality is, someone has a habit, which they feel is damaging their life in some way. Why is it necessary to spend so much time "defining" addiction. I drink too much coffee. Whether I drink it because it tastes good, makes me high, mentally or physically, I'm addicted to it. Why is necessary for endless studies to continually make assertions on the redefinition of addiction.

Sure, go after the root cause. But this "well, we've discovered that whilst you're prostituting yourself for wow gamecards, you're actually not addicted, you're just socially gravitated towards this experience" crap is nonsense. Who cares? Addict = harming habit. Why use one word to attempt to classify the nature of someone's addiction.

And tell me anywhere that's worth fitting in ? (4, Insightful)

unity100 (970058) | more than 5 years ago | (#25895257)

where should they have fit in ?

working 7 to 19.00 every day, in a thankless job that demands way more than it pays ?

or, they should have fit in sleazy bar corners, wasting their life away with sluts (male or female) ?

or, they should become career bitches (male or female) and waste their life away in that manner ?

or they should have fit in with a family. but then again, they have to create a family first, and creating a family has SO much overhead and effort in these days that you can maybe compare it to swimming across english channel.

or, they should have fit in with the immense crowds that are sedating their brain through football spectatorship, or in front of dumb tv shows each night ?

or maybe they could have fit in with their peers, who are entertaining themselves with the MODERN entertainment form that is called gaming ? you know, fitting in WITH YOUR PEERS, as countless generations in the history of mankind has done ?

well. they are just doing that. i think a lot of people, but especially 'experts' need to shut their traps about it, and get to accept this as a normal stage of human civilization.

Could it be because addicts do not seek treatment? (1)

gapagos (1264716) | more than 5 years ago | (#25895301)

I know it sounds silly, but could it be because the video game addicts (and I still believe they are a very small minority of gamers) do not seek rehabilitation, and gamers who seek rehabilitation already have more "will" to stop gaming and therefore are not, strictly clinically-speaking, addicts?

Try something for me... (4, Insightful)

w0mprat (1317953) | more than 5 years ago | (#25895347)

As an experiement re-read TFA substituting the terms for "games" "gamer" etc to "sports" "sports fan". Try it.
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