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IT Cutbacks For 2012 London Olympics

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the just-crowdsource-the-whole-thing dept.

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Slatterz writes "The IT backbone for the London 2012 Olympic and Paralympic Games is to be cut. According to the Games' chief integrator, Michele Hyron of Atos Origin, each section of the computing infrastructure will be made more efficient in order to minimise redundant equipment and hopefully reduce energy consumption. Unlike the Beijing Games, the results will be relayed via the public wireless network which will be available in the Olympic Park — this means cutting out the 2,500 results terminals. The team of workers will deliver more than 1,000 servers, 10,000 PCs and 4,000 printers."

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Good (4, Insightful)

SchizoStatic (1413201) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914115)

Maybe this time we won't see a giant BSOD on the ceiling of the event.

Re:Good (1)

Architect_sasyr (938685) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914255)

No we'll be seeing goatse everywhere because of all the crackers who're going to be on site with a copy of ettercap.

Well done London, fucking ingenious.

turd post (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25914127)

A couple weeks ago, while browsing around the library downtown, I had to take a piss. As I entered the john, Barack Obama -- the messiah himself -- came out of one of the booths. I stood at the urinal looking at him out of the corner of my eye as he washed his hands. He didn't once look at me. He was busy and in any case I was sure the secret service wouldn't even let me shake his hand.

As soon as he left I darted into the booth he'd vacated, hoping there might be a lingering smell of shit and even a seat still warm from his sturdy ass. I found not only the smell but the shit itself. He'd forgotten to flush. And what a treasure he had left behind. Three or four beautiful specimens floated in the bowl. It apparently had been a fairly dry, constipated shit, for all were fat, stiff, and ruggedly textured. The real prize was a great feast of turd -- a nine inch gastrointestinal triumph as thick as his cock -- or at least as I imagined it!

I knelt before the bowl, inhaling the rich brown fragrance and wondered if I should obey the impulse building up inside me. I'd always been a liberal democrat and had been on the Obama train since last year. Of course I'd had fantasies of meeting him, sucking his cock and balls, not to mention sucking his asshole clean, but I never imagined I would have the chance. Now, here I was, confronted with the most beautiful five-pound turd I'd ever feasted my eyes on, a sausage fit to star in any fantasy and one I knew to have been hatched from the asshole of Barack Obama, the chosen one.

Why not? I plucked it from the bowl, holding it with both hands to keep it from breaking. I lifted it to my nose. It smelled like rich, ripe limburger (horrid, but thrilling), yet had the consistency of cheddar. What is cheese anyway but milk turning to shit without the benefit of a digestive tract?

I gave it a lick and found that it tasted better then it smelled.

I hesitated no longer. I shoved the fucking thing as far into my mouth as I could get it and sucked on it like a big half nigger cock, beating my meat like a madman. I wanted to completely engulf it and bit off a large chunk, flooding my mouth with the intense, bittersweet flavor. To my delight I found that while the water in the bowl had chilled the outside of the turd, it was still warm inside. As I chewed I discovered that it was filled with hard little bits of something I soon identified as peanuts. He hadn't chewed them carefully and they'd passed through his body virtually unchanged. I ate it greedily, sending lump after peanutty lump sliding scratchily down my throat. My only regret was that Barack Obama wasn't there to see my loyalty and wash it down with his piss.

I soon reached a terrific climax. I caught my cum in the cupped palm of my hand and drank it down. Believe me, there is no more delightful combination of flavors than the hot sweetness of cum with the rich bitterness of shit. It's even better than listening to an Obama speech!

Afterwards I was sorry that I hadn't made it last longer. But then I realized that I still had a lot of fun in store for me. There was still a clutch of virile turds left in the bowl. I tenderly fished them out, rolled them into my handkerchief, and stashed them in my briefcase. In the week to come I found all kinds of ways to eat the shit without bolting it right down. Once eaten it's gone forever unless you want to filch it third hand out of your own asshole. Not an unreasonable recourse in moments of desperation or simple boredom.

I stored the turds in the refrigerator when I was not using them but within a week they were all gone. The last one I held in my mouth without chewing, letting it slowly dissolve. I had liquid shit trickling down my throat for nearly four hours. I must have had six orgasms in the process.

I often think of Barack Obama dropping solid gold out of his sweet, pink asshole every day, never knowing what joy it could, and at least once did, bring to a grateful democrat.

Re:turd post (0, Offtopic)

Swordopolis (1159065) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914185)

turd post

Yes, it certainly was.

Re:turd post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25914365)

Awesome. Thank you for the reminder why I don't read at -1 :) Hot story though, good read!

In other news...Recession cuts back Olympics Games (5, Funny)

syousef (465911) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914145)

Now instead of an International sporting competition in London, 3 guys from Yorkshire will come down and play rock, paper, scissors. To save face 1000 rounds of RPS will be played, and for each one a different combination of paper hats with different national flags printed on them will be worn by the 3 guys. The IOC is requesting donations as paper hats and printing costs money, as does travel to and from Yorkshire.

Re:In other news...Recession cuts back Olympics Ga (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25914183)

Haven't you heard? The scissors are being dropped from the event.

Re:In other news...Recession cuts back Olympics Ga (1)

BluBrick (1924) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914233)

Now instead of an International sporting competition in London, 3 guys from Yorkshire will come down and play rock, paper, scissors...

Sounds somewhat dangerous [glennz.com] to me.

Re:In other news...Recession cuts back Olympics Ga (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25914429)

3 guys from Yorkshire will come down and play rock, paper, scissors.

Ferret racing FTW!!1!

Re:In other news...Recession cuts back Olympics Ga (1)

xorsyst (1279232) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914591)

Surely they should play Rock, paper, scissors, lizard, spock?

Re:In other news...Recession cuts back Olympics Ga (1)

remmelt (837671) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914777)

URL or it didn't happen.

Re:In other news...Recession cuts back Olympics Ga (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25914821)

Re:In other news...Recession cuts back Olympics Ga (0)

Godji (957148) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914885)

[strong British accent]
- Rock, mate!
- Nah, that would be paper, old chap.
- Oh, be a sport and pass me the scissors, please.
- Does any one of you know where this joke is going?
- Not really, no.
- Nope. Not at all. Ah, it's four 'o clock anyway, shall we get some tea then?

Of course! (4, Funny)

B5_geek (638928) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914165)

According to Monty Python (Meaning of Life); Yorkshire is "The Third World", so this only makes sence that they would make cutbacks.

Personally I think it's courageous of the IOC to grant these impoverished and lower class of civilized existence a chance to exist within the glorious umbrella that the IOC bequeaths.

Re:Of course! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25914931)

I'm in Yorkshire you insensitive clod!

Re:Of course! (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 5 years ago | (#25915409)

Ignore parent. I make pudding this evening anyway.

Mmmmhhh... Yorkshire pudding is people... tasty people...

</creepy>

Unfortunate wording (4, Funny)

Y-Crate (540566) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914193)

"The IT backbone for the London 2012 Olympic and Paralympic Games is to be cut"

Ouch.

Re:Unfortunate wording (2, Interesting)

taff^2 (188189) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914645)

It's probably quite accurate wording. Unfortunately the government have failed to realise (yet again) that when you cut the backbone of anything you leave it paralysed.

Wankers, the lot of them!

Re:Unfortunate wording (2, Funny)

peragrin (659227) | more than 5 years ago | (#25915259)

well most government employees don't have a backbone so they have no personal experience to draw from when you cut it.

This won't reduce energy consumption one Wh (1)

Duckie01 (10586) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914219)

It sounds like a wonderful plan, reducing energy consumption. After all, we really need to get a grasp on Co2 emissions with all the global warming and stuff.

But unless humans get their wifi implants before 2012 this will just move the cost of the energy consumption to different parties.

This won't reduce fat intake. (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25914229)

"But unless humans get their wifi implants before 2012 this will just move the cost of the energy consumption to different parties."

Like cellphones?

Re:This won't reduce fat intake. (1)

Duckie01 (10586) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914291)

Like cellphones?

Hmmm maybe I misunderstood TFA... but I had the impression it was mostly about the tens of thousands of people *working* there, covering news and stuff. They won't be using cellphones all day to get their info, but stick a couple of extra notebooks and a terminal or two in their equipment.

If it's about the general public getting some results cellphones can go a long way.

Re:This won't reduce energy consumption one Wh (1)

abigsmurf (919188) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914377)

It means most of the work will be done on laptops. laptops use around 1/10th the power of desktops. Not to mention they won't be on 24/7, unlike public terminals.

Overall it's some smart cost cutting

Re:This won't reduce energy consumption one Wh (1)

seifried (12921) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914399)

What about thin terminals? Why on earth would you need a full blown PC to display sporting results/etc.

Re:This won't reduce energy consumption one Wh (1)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914491)

indeed, but that's how most places run. i've hated desktops in the workplace since i was introduced to terminals....

Re:This won't reduce energy consumption one Wh (1)

leenks (906881) | more than 5 years ago | (#25915067)

Surely it depends on the work you are doing on your terminal. There are lots of things that don't work well on thin clients, and if your business is using those things you are gonna take a productivity nosedive.

Re:This won't reduce energy consumption one Wh (3, Interesting)

abigsmurf (919188) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914695)

a large screened terminal is still looking at around 125-150W and have the added disadvantage of being incredibly hard to sell off after the olympics.

Re:This won't reduce energy consumption one Wh (2, Insightful)

jlarocco (851450) | more than 5 years ago | (#25915085)

I'm no expert on the Olympics, but don't they occur every 4 years?

Maybe they could solve their efficiency problems by not buying new shit every time? Hard to imagine it sees very much wear and tear when it's being used 2 weeks every 4 years.

Re:This won't reduce energy consumption one Wh (1)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 5 years ago | (#25915283)

The awesome thing is that all the idiots flying in from all over the world to watch some people who, after a year and maybe some commercial deals, will be forgotten... Yeah, those jets don't run on sunshine and lollipops.

As an East Londoner... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25914301)

May I apologise in advance for the state of the London 2012 Olympics? I have absolutely no faith in the Government bringing this in on time, or on budget.

Re:As an East Londoner... (4, Informative)

jandersen (462034) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914509)

May I apologise in advance for the state of the London 2012 Olympics? I have absolutely no faith in the Government bringing this in on time, or on budget.

You certainly may - apology accepted.

In other new, one of the first Olympic venues for 2012 games opens today, ahead of schedule and under budget:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/dorset/7753734.stm [bbc.co.uk]

Re:As an East Londoner... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25914863)

in 1999 the idea was first proposed to develop the former Naval Air Station at Osprey Quay into a World Class Sailing Academy. In July 2003, after much hard work and planning, the National Lottery confirmed their support for the Academy by donating £3million, bringing the total funds for WPNSA to £7.3 million.

The South West Regional Development Agency were the other major contributor, donating £3.34 million, although many other generous contributions have been made including those from the Royal Yachting Association, Dorset County Council, Weymouth & Portland Borough Council, West Dorset District Council, Charitable Trusts and individuals themselves.

The brand new clubhouse was opened officially in June 2005 and is now fully operational with new external facilities including 30 pontoons, new slipways and much expanded room for boat storage and car parking.

WPNSA will host the sailing events for the London 2012 Olympic Games.

Given that this facility is not in London, nor was it built for the Games (it opened in June 2005, the decision to award the Games to London was made in July 2005), I hardly see how this is related to Government planning of the Games.

Re:As an East Londoner... (2, Insightful)

Aceticon (140883) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914875)

The costs for the London 2012 Olympics have already spiraled to 2 or 3 time the original budget. Actually this was the case already 6 months ago BEFORE the credit crunch started to bit.

That said, they might open most venues in time ... just WAY over budget.

Re:As an East Londoner... (1)

Linker3000 (626634) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914977)

Why do you think VAT was cut to 15% - that'll shave a lot off the costs at a stroke! Hey presto, nearer budget!

Re:As an East Londoner... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25914983)

You clearly aren't familiar with the bidding process for UK projects, where the contract is awarded to the company able to lie most convincingly about how ridiculously little they can build a stadium for. The contract then includes clauses which state they can have as much money as is necessary and that the government can't cut them off without paying a similarly ridiculous amount of money as "compensation".

Re:As an East Londoner... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25915303)

Ah, public-private partnerships. Socialise the losses, privatise the gains.

Venue Ready. The Roads are not (2, Interesting)

andyh3930 (605873) | more than 5 years ago | (#25915003)

The Venue may be ready, but the transport links are no-where near ready. So they've got a venue but no-one will be able to get there. The Motorway (Freeway) ends 40miles from the Venue. Where the motorway ends there is a steep hill that has two lanes. HGV (Semi Trucks) crawl up at about 30mph. Even now in summer it take 10 - 15 minutes to travel 3 miles.
From about 30 Miles area from the venue is a mixture of narrow twisty single carriageway road with roundabouts (traffic circles) and dual carriageway. They are spending 83Million GBP sorting out the last 3 miles. But nothing is planned for the rest of the single carriageway road. Its total joke

But it isn't in London! (1)

Kupfernigk (1190345) | more than 5 years ago | (#25915311)

I've worked for numerous US companies, and I've got used to the belief that the UK consists of four states called London, Stratford, Wales and Scotland (not really surprising given UK self publicity). But Dorset is not in London, it borders the South Coast. Nothing about it relates to the London part of the Olympics (also, although I've referred to the pork barrel aspects and got downmodded as a result, as a boat owner myself I think the Dorset end is actually worth the money. We in the UK live on an island and we are good at boats!)

The comment above about the roads is also well made. Central Government sees no need to improve infrastructure that does anything other than let Londoners get to their weekend houses. The main road to the West (A303) has been so neglected that part of it has to be closed completely for three months to fix the damage. This year, the main road from Bristol to Southampton (two major cities) was closed for 3 months over 6 miles for the same reason. The Olympic Committee had better hope that everybody who wants to watch the sailing arrives by sea.

Re:As an East Londoner... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25914541)

We east Londoners have a certain solidarity when we meet, wherever in the world we do meet. "Another one got out! Good on you my son, may many follow in your departure from that slag heap." Then middle class wankers decided to hold the Olympics there. What the fuck is wrong with them?

Craplympics (4, Insightful)

Roland Piquepaille (780675) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914305)

The team of workers will deliver more than 1,000 servers, 10,000 PCs and 4,000 printers.

It always makes my blood boil to see how much money is funneled into sporting events such as the olympics without flinching, while at the same time public research, schools, etc..., people of real value to society, have to cry and beg for resources...

Re:Craplympics (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25914333)

Sport is sadly where the money is.

Getting special perks (better grades, better treatment etc) in school due to a sporting-interest always pissed me off.

I am probably contributing 10 times more to the economy with the job I do now with an engineering degree compared to the asshole who took some BS social studies degree on a sporting scholarship.

Giving people scholarships is all well and good, but at least require them to perform as well scholastically as they do in sports.

On a different subject... Why would you cut redundancy for such a huge event? I would love to see the primaries go down with no backup during a major event... I sure as hell wouldnt want to be the one responsible if it hits the fan at some point :-p

Re:Craplympics (2, Funny)

Leebert (1694) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914367)

the asshole who took some BS social studies degree

That would be "some BA social studies degree". :)

Re:Craplympics (0, Troll)

Arimus (198136) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914465)

Nope - he's right first time (Assuming he meant something produced by male bovines).

Re:Craplympics (2, Funny)

Leebert (1694) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914715)

Whoosh! :)

Re:Craplympics (1)

k-macjapan (1271084) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914505)

I agree with you in principle. However, if you had the ability to draw new students($) to your school I am sure you would get the same scholastic 'benefits' as the students on athletic scholarships or for that matter students whose parents build new wings for the school.

But yeah, it is BS how the system is currently.

Re:Craplympics (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25914567)

In the UK it doesn't really work like that. Universities don't make money off of sports and don't really give out scholarships based on sporting ability. In other words, the government don't like giving out money to *anybody*, no matter what you're good at.

The UK government has a terrible record for IT projects. I imagine that this one will have some problems and yes, without a backup it's going to be fun to watch.

Re:Craplympics (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25914335)

It always makes my blood boil to see how much Slashdot material comes from your crappy blog, while at the same time public research, schools, etc..., people of real value to society, have to cry and beg for airtime...

Re:Craplympics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25914825)

Since I don't have modpoints:

There was a time on Slashdot when the average Piquepaille article was met with derision, as readers knew that no matter how sincere he tried to sound his main aim was blog pageviews - hence linking to his own blog rather than primary/secondary sources.

But with Slashdot 2.0, where the heroes are not geeks but lawyers, self-interested hypocrites like Piquepaille will be adored.

To answer the point: society isn't about automaton-like productivity. Many people enjoy sports, believe it or not. And life is, to most people, about enjoying oneself. The jealousy of the geek for the well-funded sportsman makes my blood boil. The former has usually been gifted with an excellent brain, but rather than sitting down with pencil and paper like any mathematician before the late twentieth century and choosing to think he evades what is hard by making the excuse that he lacks a massive cash injection.

Re:Craplympics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25914337)

One could hope that these machines are handed out to needy schools and/or rendering farms after the Olympic events have passed.

Re:Craplympics (0)

abigsmurf (919188) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914421)

The olympics encourage people to take up sports and get fit. That lowers the strain on the NHS and has all sorts of benefits for people.

They promote tourism. Before and during the olympics there will be countless documentaries around the world showing off the UK. This provides a insane amount of tourist cash during the Olympics but also provides a boost that can last years as people decide to try their holiday here.

It's developing an area of London that has been run down for decade. No money has been spent on it because there's a perception (especially among northerners) that London gets too much money spent. The olympic village will provide the backbone of a new London town and regenerate the area.

Finally, you can pump as much money as you want into schools and research and it tends to dissapear into a black hole. These institutions have a habbit of spending money with few noticable gains. Just look at the money pumped into the NHS, most of it has gone on middle management and new contracts for doctors (more money for less work).

Re:Craplympics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25914579)

Just look at the money pumped into the NHS, most of it has gone on middle management and new contracts for doctors (more money for less work).

And minor things like getting non-urgent waiting lists (such as for hip replacements) down from 18+ months to 2-3 months. (And no, i'm not a Labour govt shill; I'm voting Lib Dem at the next election).

Re:Craplympics (2, Interesting)

IRGlover (1096317) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914661)

The olympics encourage people to take up sports and get fit

Anything to back up that claim, it seems very unlikely. If it is true, what about the strain that sports related injuries would place on the NHS?

They promote tourism

Agreed, they promote tourism - to London, the place where most tourists go and only a small proportion actually get out and look at the rest of the country.

It's developing an area of London that has been run down for decade

Fine, but I suspect that what this run down area really needs isn't unused stadia. Other cities have used the Olympics as a way of improving infrastructure (e.g. Athens built a new cross-city public transport system), what comparable projects are going on in London? And this Northerner (living on the edge of the M25) agrees that London gets too much money spent on it, the fact that it is unfairly distributed is beside the point.

Finally, you can pump as much money as you want into schools and research and it tends to dissapear into a black hole

Part of the reason why the NHS introduced a new layer of middle managers was that this is what was recommended by the 'Management Consultants' who were brought in to look at it. I can't see any hint of vested interest there, can you? Using the NHS as an example for not funding public services isn't a good idea, it was the reduction in investment during the 80's and 90's that allowed it get into the state it is in. A constantly fully-funded NHS would likely have been cheaper in the long-term than allowing it to run down and then build it back up again.

Re:Craplympics (1)

theaveng (1243528) | more than 5 years ago | (#25915007)

In the United States a study was performed that showed metropolitan city-states (Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey, et cetera) paid the most in taxes, and the rural farmland states (Nebraska, Iowa, Wyoming, et cetera) receive more money in government handouts than any other region.

Isn't it possible the same is true in the UK where London, being a financial capital, actually spends MORE money than it receives, and it's the rural "north" that gets the most money in government handouts? I suspect if a study was performed, the answer would be "yes".

Re:Craplympics (1)

IRGlover (1096317) | more than 5 years ago | (#25915099)

Well, bearing in mind that the 'rural north' (taking north in the sense that many Londoners seem to - i.e. North of Luton) comprises all of the large traditionally industrial towns and cities (with the exception of Bristol), then I hardly think it is fair to call the area Rural. Yes, there are countryside areas, but there are in the south and east (Norfolk in the east, the Cotswolds and Dartmoor areas in the south and south west for example).

The fact is that British wealth was built in the North of England, Scotland and (in a lesser part) Wales during the Victorian period. London had its industry too, but the balance in the last 50 years has shifted away from heavy industry and manufacture towards service industry (including Financial service) this has led to a concentration of companies in and around the City of London. London may now be the economic centre of the UK, but it got its start by siphoning off wealth that was being generated in other parts of the country.

Someone else on this board has pointed out that London has the starkest disparity between rich and poor in the UK. I accept completely that some of the most blighted areas of Blighty are in London, but money spent on high cost, prestige projects within the M25 (Wembley, Millenium Dome, City Hall, and the Olympics) doesn't help the people living in poverty within the city. Impressive new stadia isn't going to help anyone living hand to mouth, especially when ticket prices will likely be quite high in order to pay off the debts run up in building these white elephants.

Re:Craplympics (1)

theaveng (1243528) | more than 5 years ago | (#25915499)

Something I will never understand is why poor people congregate inside cities. If I were in that situation, I'd search for a suburban job at MCdonalds or Walmart or something similar, and then move out of the city and into an apartment within walking distance of my new job. I would not continue living in the squalor of the city.

My next step would be to "move up" to a factory job or management job. To continue sitting in a city slum like a couch potato makes no sense.

Re:Craplympics (1)

abigsmurf (919188) | more than 5 years ago | (#25915063)

It seems unlikely that if you build more and better sports facilities that people will use them?

The whole country will benefit. There's nowhere in the UK that's more than a day's driving or a 1 hour plane journey away from London. Besides, Londoners are paying the vast majority of the costs, why the hell shouldn't they benefit? Were Londoners whining when Manchester got the commonwealth games (which were paid for by the whole country with no council tax rises). Besides, tax from tourism in London benefits the whole country. London as a whole is grossly underfunded compared to other cities in terms of spending per capita and spending to tax revenue ratio

The Olympics create a whole infra-structure, not just a handful of stadia. The olympic village gets converted into housing, you can easily convert one of the buildings or areas into shopping complexesm you have excellent public transport. The Jubilee line is getting more work done to it and there's the crosslink project to create a new rail line through london.

The increased funding has gone almost entirely on wages, they're not compensating for the underfunding (they've had 10 years to do that), it's being inefficiently run. I don't buy the "but thatcher..." crap anymore. If you can't fix something in 10 years, you're the one to blame.

Re:Craplympics (5, Insightful)

theaveng (1243528) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914959)

>>>The olympics encourage people to take up sports and get fit.

Since the Olympics were installed people are MORE fat than ever, not less. The Olympics have done nothing of what you claim.

>>>They promote tourism.

Not really. Most of the cities that sponsored the Olympics are still deep in debt. There are a few exceptions like Atlanta which was mostly paid by corporations, but then there are others like Toronto who, even thirty years later, are still in debt. Tourism does not make-up for the huge expense of throwing this "huge sports party" known as the Olympics.

>>>you can pump as much money as you want into schools and research and it tends to dissapear into a black hole.

The fact that we are both sitting here with college degrees, and now contributing back to society with our respective design expertise, belies that claim. Schools contribute for the simple reason that people walk into kindergarten going "duh" and they come out with the ability to read, write, and do basic math (or go onto college).

That's better than what sponsorship of Olympic-level sport produces (a broken worn-out body in most cases & a way to sell Fruit Loops in national advertising).

Re:Craplympics (1)

abigsmurf (919188) | more than 5 years ago | (#25915123)

>>Since the Olympics were installed people are MORE fat than ever, not less. The Olympics have done nothing of what you claim.

Ah, you're clearly from the future, can you tell me what the year 2012 is like? I assume the world didn't end...

>>The fact that we are both sitting here with college degrees, and now contributing back to society with our respective design expertise, belies that claim. Schools contribute for the simple reason that people walk into kindergarten going "duh" and they come out with the ability to read, write, and do basic math (or go onto college).

Never said education wasn't important. It's just there's a point where money becomes wasted. For example you could spend £500,000 and get everyone in the school a £300 laptop. Alternatively you could then increase the budget to £1mill and buy people faster £600 laptops. The benefit the first 500k provides would be huge, the benefit the second 500k provides would be minor at best. If you budget the money it will be spent, however, the more you budget, the less value you tend to get.

Re:Craplympics (2, Informative)

JediTrainer (314273) | more than 5 years ago | (#25915497)

Not really. Most of the cities that sponsored the Olympics are still deep in debt. There are a few exceptions like Atlanta which was mostly paid by corporations, but then there are others like Toronto who, even thirty years later, are still in debt. Tourism does not make-up for the huge expense of throwing this "huge sports party" known as the Olympics.

Toronto might be in debt, but when did we have the Olympics here and how did I manage to miss it?

Re:Craplympics (1)

cliffski (65094) | more than 5 years ago | (#25915421)

that last paragraph is hilarious. the Olympic budget has already tripled.

If people want more of us to take up sports, run some ad campaigns, they would be less than 1% of the Olympic cost.
Or better still, regulate our food better so we don't all eat junk crap and have an obesity problem that means we all need to take up sports in the first place.

Re:Craplympics (1)

Warhawke (1312723) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914513)

I think when watching fourth graders take a geology quiz becomes as interesting as an olympic sporting event (read: "receives the same advertising revenue"), then we might be seeing a bigger resource dump into schools and the like.

Re:Craplympics (1)

theaveng (1243528) | more than 5 years ago | (#25915027)

I always thought it was fun to compare my grades to other students. We also compared our "rankings" every quarter to see who was in the Top 10, who was in the Top 20, and so on. If the local news can take 5 minutes a day to report the results of high school sports, surely they can set aside a minute or two to report on the Top scholars.

"The following students were named on the honor roll, with John Smith and Jill Doe holding the number one and two spots. Congratulations! Keep up the good work."

Sorry. You just don't understand money or politics (4, Insightful)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914515)

It always makes my blood boil to see how much money is funneled into sporting events such as the olympics without flinching, while at the same time public research, schools, etc..., people of real value to society, have to cry and beg for resources...

You see, money is created from nothing. There is an infinite supply of money, it however doesn't grow on trees, someone has to go to the laborious task of typing the numbers into a computer. Or writing them into a book.

Bankers can get as much money as they like, they just pay the politicians a little bit up front and the politicians pay them back... Well, we're well into the trillions now.
 

Re:Sorry. You just don't understand money or polit (5, Interesting)

dontmakemethink (1186169) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914919)

No, money is created from something. What bankers do that makes money insubstantial is called leverage. A typical leverage structure in a functional economy is 10:1, where there is 10 times as much money issued on loan as there is in actual existence. Sounds crazy, but it works.

The current economic fiasco is due largely to excessive leverage, just like the crash of 1929. Currently, American banks that have either collapsed or are begging for bail-outs were leveraged over 100:1.

The shit hasn't quite hit the fan in Europe yet. Most major European banks are leveraged far more than 100:1, most notably German banks that exceed 400:1. So when European banks start to go tits up (and they will), keep in mind there is no treasury for the Euro. The only bailout funds are from individual countries, who are no doubt going to care more about themselves than an economic union that failed to protect them. So imagine changing currencies in the middle of the greatest economic crisis in 80 years. Think that's a good thing, or bad?

Re:Sorry. You just don't understand money or polit (1)

theaveng (1243528) | more than 5 years ago | (#25915037)

Money can be created, but wealth can not.

If you print twice as many Euros, then the price of milk will double from 2 Euros to 4 Euros. You haven't gained anything. You're still stuck at the same amount of wealth as you had before.

Re:Sorry. You just don't understand money or polit (1)

RMH101 (636144) | more than 5 years ago | (#25915217)

Surely the point is that money can be created, weird artificial financial instruments can use/abuse that money, and certain individuals can make a huge amount of personal wealth in the process. Long term, it kills the economy and screws the working man, obviously, but this short-term-ism is the reason we're in this mess.

Re:Sorry. You just don't understand money or polit (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 5 years ago | (#25915315)

Money can be created, but wealth can not.

ORLY? If you have a pile of iron ore and sand, and I have the equivalent weight as a BMW, which of us is more wealthy? We should tell all manufacturing workers not to show up, since they're clearly not achieving anything.

Re:Sorry. You just don't understand money or polit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25915221)

You see, money is created from nothing. There is an infinite supply of money, it however doesn't grow on trees, someone has to go to the laborious task of typing the numbers into a computer. Or writing them into a book.

Not really. The money is just a reflection of the size of the economy you have, they are the mediator.

If you print money and the econom grows, it's ok. If the economy slows down and you still print money, you're devaluing the unit of money by inflation.

And if your economy grows and you do NOT print money, you stiffle economic interaction and economy is hurt.

Re:Craplympics (1, Flamebait)

Epsillon (608775) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914555)

I have to agree with that comment (except for schools; until such time as they concentrate on knowledge rather than stripping the individuality and ability to think from our children and forcing them to all look the same, they can take their own chances). That, and the bloody "Arts Council" which has leeched the lottery fund dry, yet we still have homeless people on the streets and people living in poverty. One "Angel of the North" (which looks like a rusty satellite has crashed near Newcastle, doing £500,000 worth of improvements) could have funded 10 or 12 drop-in centres or a few hostels (numbers from my arse, but you get the general idea).

This country is screwed up. As long as the top 5% can keep going to the bank with all the money nobody cares, it seems.

Re:Craplympics (1)

drspliff (652992) | more than 5 years ago | (#25915183)

As somebody currently living in a hostel, perhaps I can give you some insight.

The council is paying 164 GBP per WEEK, and ontop of that I have to make my own contributions of 30 GBP per week, bringing the total to 194 per week that goes straight to the hostel owner.
Basic facilities are provided (bathrooms, kitchens.. but no washer/dryer or cooking utensils) along with cleaning once or twice a week by the live-in management (who are paid 500 GBP per week).
There are close to 20 people (all paying around the same rate) here at the moment, so even if we discount the management salary and 300 a week for expenses the place is still raking in nearly 3k GBP per WEEK.

Beleave me - hostels don't need to be paid for, they are easily profitable businesses, more profitable even than private accommidation if you were to split an identical house into rooms in the same area.

Completely offtopic, but I thought it'd be insightful for the well-to-do masses who aren't homeless or out of work.

Political tension (1)

WarJolt (990309) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914603)

Trust me...The amount of political tension that is quelled as a result of friendly competition is well worth the cost. It's so sad that last Olympics was so politically charged. China's opening ceremony was a little much though.

Re:Political tension (1)

theaveng (1243528) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914989)

You think that was unusual? Most every Olympic event makes tensions WORSE not better. When Athens held the games, you heard people insulting the Greeks as "poor and backwards farmers". When Atlanta held the games it was about how the "Americans sold out to corporations" which most of us found incredibly insulting; even the president of the IOC did a back-handed insult by refusing to say our games were good.

The Seoul games were marred by the constant threat of Communist North Korea, Barcelona was overshadowed by the tension with Spain, The Los Angeles and Moscow games were boycotted by one-third of the world, the Toronto games were afraid of a repeat of the Munich games where Jewish athletes were killed by Muslim radicals..... and on and on and on.

The games bring MORE tension, not less.

Re:Political tension (1)

Just because I'm an (847583) | more than 5 years ago | (#25915235)

This is the second time in this thread you say Toronto had an Olympics in the 70's. I think you'll find they were held in Montreal.

Re:Craplympics (1)

cliffski (65094) | more than 5 years ago | (#25915405)

the Olympics is a great way for coca cola to advertise. They don't get that opportunity with stuff like schools and research.
yes, its fucking disgraceful, and the Olympics should be cancelled. Let some other gullible country blow its money on a glorified sports day for world leaders.

Redundancy is for pussies (1, Informative)

hyades1 (1149581) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914317)

Backup? I don' NEED no steenking backup!

Rant (4, Interesting)

Kupfernigk (1190345) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914431)

The London Olympics is pure pork barrel. It was intended to allow Government to divert funds to one of the more undeveloped parts of London while allowing an unsavoury collection of washed up politicians to enjoy lots of jollies. It is distorting the infrastructure of South-East England and spending still more money in an area that already gets more than its fair share.

Londoners go on about how London subsidises the rest of the country, but this has actually always translated as "controls the banking system and so rips off your profit and claims it as its own". This has just gone massively pear shaped...so now the Government wants the rest of the country to pay for the Olympics through general taxes.

Don't get me wrong, I am an expat Londoner. But the mismanagement of London, where some of the most deprived areas of the country are next to some of the richest, and people earning £1 million a year try to avoid paying their cleaners even minimum wages, is truly horrible. I'm glad to live in a much more egalitarian part of the country where we don't have the resulting crime and drug problems.

GB cannot really afford the Olympics, which has become completely bloated owing to the ludicrous over promotion of the IOC. We should either tell the IOC to go deflate itself and run a Games that London can afford, or let Beijing have it a second time, thus helping them to pay for all those facilities. I favour the first option...in which case this should only be the start and there should be rigorous pruning of excess. Beginning with replacing Tessa Jowell and Sebastian Coe with Second Life avatars who won't be able to spend lots of public money on entertaining corrupt functionaries.

Re:Rant (1)

theaveng (1243528) | more than 5 years ago | (#25915045)

In the United States a study was performed that showed metropolitan states (Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey, et cetera) paid the most in taxes, and the rural farmland states (Nebraska, Iowa, Wyoming, et cetera) receive more money in government handouts than any other region.

Isn't it possible the same is true in the UK where London, being a financial capital, actually spends MORE money than it receives, and it's the rural "north" that gets the most money in government handouts? I suspect if a study was performed, the answer would be "yes".

Re:Rant (1)

@madeus (24818) | more than 5 years ago | (#25915395)

I see you've posted that elsewhere, but I'll respond to it here:

You are absolutely right, it does. It's universally true that urban areas are net contributers.

The contradictory argument above that proclaims that region 'already gets more than its fair share' while acknowledging that it subsidizes the rest of the country (which indeed it does, of that there is no doubt). The means by which banks supposedly rip of 'profit' from others remains an unexplained mystery.

Even in spite of this long standing inequality, Londoners will be the ones forking out for the majority of the Olympic build. I'm inclined to be okay with the latter (given London will be the primary benefactor), but you wouldn't think that was the case from the noise being made in the provinces, where you'd think all their regions are net contributors rather than benefactors.

If the money wasn't leeched from London then we'd have billions to spend on improving the quality of life for millions of people - instead it goes to improve the quality of life to many small number of unsustainable communities that are not able to support themselves and have rely on economic subsidies and handouts (especially in regions with formerly large manufacturing bases).

I am certainly not against wealth redistribution, but I see little point in spending the money wastefully trying to prop up globally uncompetitive industries and on unemployment/retraining for people who are grown adults and ought to show responsibility for their own welfare (instead of expecting the state to nanny them and carry them through hard times).

That constant leeching of wealth is why other major metropolitan cities in the world shine while so much of London remains grimy and run down despite it's exceptional prosperity - unlike other large and notable properties cities in the world funds are not being re-invested in the city itself.

Sick of trying to report a problem (-1, Offtopic)

hyades1 (1149581) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914433)

Alright, that does it. I'm fed up. I've never yet turned down a MetaModeration, but this new system sucks dog cock.

Here's what I'm looking at:

Comment: Re: RICO Seizures (Score 1) by Muad'Dave on Friday November 21, @7:03PM (#25853401) Attached to: RICO Class Action Against RIAA In Missouri

"Exactly!"

FOLLOWED BY ANOTHER CLASSIC:

"They should have looked there first then. That always works for me."

No FUCKING CLUE what either of these people are talking about.

So I have to go visit a bunch of other pages to put these remarks in any kind of context if I'm going to do the job properly, instead of having them right there, as was done before this "improvement". And it isn't like this is the first time. About 20% of the comments are like this.

Fuck off.

My guess is that somebody here doesn't like the idea that a small minority of nasty little ideologues who go crazy when they get their moderator points get slapped on the wrist during MetaModeration.

Either fix this rancid bullshit and address my concerns (which I've tried to present politely and through channels) or you can kiss my participation goodbye.

Re:Sick of trying to report a problem (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25914457)

Exactly!

Re:Sick of trying to report a problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25915095)

They should have looked there first then. That always works for me.

Re:Sick of trying to report a problem (1, Troll)

k-macjapan (1271084) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914525)

As off-topic as this is I have to say I agree 100% with you.

Re:Sick of trying to report a problem (1)

AmIAnAi (975049) | more than 5 years ago | (#25915457)

Looks like someone is bidding for top billing in the next round of Slashdot's Disagree Mail.

Open Source (1)

Alain Williams (2972) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914473)

This would be an excellent use of FLOSS. Large chunks of the software must be the same between one Olympics and the next - so why not reuse it ? This is the sort of field in which FLOSS would work well.

Probably won't happen - the Olympics is about money, lots of it; also about puffing politicians pride - the sports stars are a means to an end but not the most important people.

Re:Open Source (1)

AlistairGroves (546420) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914745)

AFAIK Atos Origin have run the backbone for the olympics (winter and summer) for quite a few years now and the main systems are reused/tweaked for all of them.

But will they be using WEP . . . ? (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914503)

. . . well, it doesn't matter. By 2012, the aircrack-ng boys will have WPA cracked.

Youse guys are gonna be *awed* by the number of golds that I win!

Re:But will they be using WEP . . . ? (1)

WarJolt (990309) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914641)

Then they will use WPA2 using AES like the rest of us concerned about security. I doubt AES will be cracked anytime soon if ever except through brute force techniques. BTW, you can use rainbow tables on WPA2. Just don't use short passwords or generic SSIDs(salted with the SSID). Either would make you immune to rainbow table cracks.

IT Cutbacks (0, Redundant)

jeeva123 (1402593) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914581)

Yeah,I too think so that The London Olympics is pure pork barrel.The govt is concentrating only on the politicians jolly life.But people of this society are awaiting still for their resources.......!!!! lara Link Building [widecircles.com]

Stop the 2012 Olympics (0, Flamebait)

dugeen (1224138) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914719)

Excellent news, hopefully this is another step towards getting the whole thing cancelled. What were New Labour thinking when they decided that demolishing half of East London for this project was a good idea? Ideally any costs arising from the cancellation can be recovered by personal surcharges on the most prominent Olympic collaborators.

Re:Stop the 2012 Olympics (1)

hattig (47930) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914827)

To be fair, East London needs the investment. It will either regenerate a vast area, or it will become a giant white elephant park area (but at least it will be a park, and there will be housing, instead of a giant industrial wasteland).

Information terminals are so 2006 anyway. Wireless transmission of results sounds good to me, we'll all have netbooks, mids or smartphones by then anyway. Maybe the government should mandate all new mobile phones to have wifi or wimax capability by 2011.

I just hope that it will be cheaper to build things now because of the recession and increased unemployment, and that the savings will be passed on. On the other hand, we could end up with an olympic village built by Barratt Homes, ugh!

Re:Stop the 2012 Olympics (1)

cliffski (65094) | more than 5 years ago | (#25915423)

agreed 100%. I wish we had never got this glorified sports day / coca cola marketing conference.

4000 printers for 10000 pcs?! (2, Insightful)

sqldr (838964) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914757)

That's nearly 1 printer for every 2 people. Here we have a team of 25 sharing a printer, and there's rarely a queue. How many trees are they intending to cut down?

It is the nature of sports reporting. (1)

jotaeleemeese (303437) | more than 5 years ago | (#25914861)

If you need some print out to support your journalistic work you can't wait for other people, maybe trying to report about the same event as you are.

If you are a few minutes late in your work very often that may mean it is no longer relevant.

Re:It is the nature of sports reporting. (2, Insightful)

drspliff (652992) | more than 5 years ago | (#25915121)

Then why is it being printed?

So they can courier it across the city... post it in the mail... send it via carrier pidgeon etc.

Doesn't hold water, sorry.

Re:4000 printers for 10000 pcs?! (1)

mrsmiggs (1013037) | more than 5 years ago | (#25915207)

I imagine that media, competitors (and entourage), government officals (local and international) and permenant IOC staff will supply their own laptops. There were over 10,000 competitors at the 2008 games and many more visiting media and government officials, now some might bring their own printers but it's unlikely that they'd want to haul them to each venue.

HA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25914913)

I find it quite ironic that they said "Cut the backbone of the Paralympic games"

Paraservers

in other news (4, Interesting)

smoker2 (750216) | more than 5 years ago | (#25915105)

Boris (don't look at the hands, look at the eyes) Johnson, has scrapped [guardian.co.uk] the western extension to the London Congestion charge. He asked a survey of 28000 what they wanted and apparently between 67 % and 86% of businesses wanted it scrapped. Sounds democratic, but I think that mob rule better fits the bill. Since the extension was introduced, roughly 30,000 fewer vehicles a day have passed through that zone. That's a line of cars over 55 miles (90km) long that haven't been clogging the streets on their way somewhere else. If you take into account the reduction [tfl.gov.uk] caused by the original zone (70,000 vehicles), and you can add 131 miles (210km) to that figure. 186 miles of traffic NOT entering an area roughly 10 miles in diameter every day. I would have thought that was a good thing, but apparently not. What about the other 250,000 vehicles who still enter the area daily ?

Still, as long as he's popular ...

I worked the distances out using 1 car = 3 metres long. If some of those were trucks, then the line gets longer, and most cars are longer than 3m anyway.
Yes this is relevant to the Olympics. Efficient transportation is kind of essential at large events.

Re:in other news (1)

CmdrGravy (645153) | more than 5 years ago | (#25915245)

There's no doubt efficient transportation is necessary in general not just for large events but I'm not clear on what that has to do with the congestion charge.

Not being a Londoner I don't know the ins and outs of the scheme but unless all the money gained in revenue is being spent on more tube lines or wider roads and not on merely running the congestion charge scheme I can't see how it will deliver more efficient transportation.

first p0st (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25915403)

users. Surpri/Se

Bad, yet good also (2, Interesting)

AaronLawrence (600990) | more than 5 years ago | (#25915493)

While cutting back is probably a bad idea, because the Olympics are hard enough to pull off even without cutbacks, part of me cheers because the Olympics is SO WASTEFUL and its good to see a little less waste. Billions of dollars to build a bunch of temporary facilities and showpieces that will have to be maintained at vast expense and eventually destroyed or converted to something else. And then it happens again in 4 years.

Though it would suck for everyone else, I sort of think the Olympics should just go around the same few venues and actually MAKE USE of the already built facilities.

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