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Teacher Sells Ads On Tests

samzenpus posted more than 5 years ago | from the pay-the-bills dept.

Education 532

Tom Farber, a calculus teacher at Rancho Bernardo high school in San Diego, has come up with a unique way of covering district cuts to his supplies budget. He sells ads on his tests. "Tough times call for tough actions," Tom says. The price of an ad on a Mr. Farber Calc test is as follows: $10 for a quiz, $20 for a chapter test, and $30 for a semester final. Most of the ads are messages from parents but about a third of them come from local businesses. Principal Paul Robinson says reaction has been "mixed," but adds, "It's not like, 'This test is brought to you by McDonald's or Nike.'" I see his point. Being a local business whore is much better than being a multinational conglomerate whore.

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Cliffs notes (5, Funny)

grassy_knoll (412409) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963163)

Perfect place for Cliffs notes [cliffsnotes.com] ads, eh?

"Next test, use our notes and suck less!"

*snicker*

Re:Cliffs notes (2, Funny)

snspdaarf (1314399) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963937)

Interesting choice of words when talking about getting better grades. :)

Re:Cliffs notes (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964001)

Hmmmmm...time to register testcheatsheet.com..."You've got a test, we have the answers!"

Not a problem... (5, Funny)

MiniMike (234881) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964257)

As soon as I can download cut-out overlay patterns from Adblock...

Works For Me (5, Insightful)

VoxMagis (1036530) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963177)

I mean - if we can get businesses to supplement education funds in any way that is not a rise in taxes, why not?

I think we could put ads on School Buses and more of this type of stuff - sure, have some oversite, but lets get some money where it belongs without forcing businesses and citizens to raise taxes.

Re:Works For Me (5, Funny)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963583)

Hell, just sell the ANSWERS to the test questions...more straightforward and popular I would guess.

Re:Works For Me (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25963629)

"Why didn't you do well on the test Timmy?"
"I was too busy reading about how I could save big $$$s if I shopped at the Kwik-E-Mart"

Re:Works For Me (1)

yetijoe (1411395) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963867)

I have to agree, as long as there is not a breach in academic integrity, why not for the reasons listed above.

I do feel that we have to watch out for interests that would change the material found on tests. But who knows even this in some way could (notice the word "could") provide for a valuable test of knowledge and input from those working in a certain industry.

Re:Works For Me (4, Insightful)

unlametheweak (1102159) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963997)

If Americans want public education with any degree of quality then they should be willing to fund it appropriately. Otherwise this whole Cable in the Classroom and No Child Left Behind lameness is just a sneaky way of encouraging privatization and school vouchers.

Re:Works For Me (5, Insightful)

smooth wombat (796938) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964129)

I think we could put ads on School Buses and more of this type of stuff

Right. Because if there's one thing we don't have enough of, it's advertisements.~*

*Testing out the new sarcasm tag

Intellectual Property, eh? (4, Funny)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963213)

I put my copyright notice next to every answer.

Doesn't work so well on the scantron forms though.

Re:Intellectual Property, eh? (3, Funny)

HarvardAce (771954) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963419)

I put my copyright notice next to every answer.

Doesn't work so well on the scantron forms though.

Simple...just fill in the "C" bubble every time. Besides, everyone knows that the answer is usually C.

Re:Intellectual Property, eh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25963883)

Re:Intellectual Property, eh? (5, Funny)

millerjl (126046) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963887)

My high school students bitterly complained that I never gave them multiple choice tests in my chemistry class. So I gave them one. All the answers were "B". They never complained again that year. It was most excellent!

These are more than ads (2, Interesting)

haystor (102186) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963219)

These carry more value than just the money they bring in. They are encouragement that a kid's efforts in calculus (and education in general) are valued by the parents and local businesses.

Face it, the general message a well behaved student without academic problems gets is that they are the last people to spend money on.

American Greed: Pay your damn taxes!! (5, Insightful)

Drake42 (4074) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963237)

If people weren't so hell bent on not paying taxes we wouldn't have this problem. I hear people say "I don't have kids, why should I pay for school tax"

Guess what? You went to a school? You PAY for a school! Otherwise, go live in a third world country.

Did you know that in California it takes a 2/3rds majority to raise taxes but only a 51/49 vote to spend more money??? Now we're having massive teacher and police layoffs because republican assholes and cheating democrats aren't willing to man up and pay their dues.

I love paying taxes.
I use them to buy civilization.

Re:American Greed: Pay your damn taxes!! (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25963423)

Schools get a fuckton of money as it is. I have been to many public schools and a common theme is mismanagement of money to buy unnecessary perks for the admin staff or show-off stuff for the district bureaucrats.

Alot of money could be freed from other government programs that are totally wasteful and unnecessary as well.

The biggest problem with your post is the idea that culture and civilization are things to be "bought". That is demonstrative of the materialist mentality that exists in society.

Re:American Greed: Pay your damn taxes!! (5, Informative)

rengav (456846) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963955)

While I agree that there is tremendous waste in Public School Administration, I strongly disagree with your statement, "Schools get a fuckton of money as it is."

If you take a look at:
http://www.epodunk.com/top10/per_pupil/index.html [epodunk.com]

You will see that most states spend less than $10000 per year per student, before the current economic downturn and budget cuts. One thing that is not accounted for in this information is that it assumes perfect attendance. For every day that a student is not on campus in class, the school loses money. A parent who pulls their kid from school to make a long weekend or to make Thanksgiving a week long vacation instead of the 4-5 day weekend that most schools take is taking money out of the hands of the school.

I also noticed that some of your are under the misconception that teachers are paid enough as it is. Yes, teachers are paid a living wage. However compared to their peers with similar education, job experience, and job responsibility, teachers of all levels are grossly underpaid. This remains true even when you factor in all of the "vacation" time that teachers get. Most teachers I know (and I am one too, former High School, now Adjunct Professor), work in one way or another during these so-called vacation times. During Thanksgiving and Xmas break, most catch up on grading, plan for the coming term, etc. Many during summer break, take classes to keep their certifications, or teach summer school to make ends meet.

Do not ever think that all teachers have it soft. Most teachers are very dedicated caring involved individuals, it's the few that make the news that give the rest a bad name.

Re:American Greed: Pay your damn taxes!! (2, Insightful)

halivar (535827) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963441)

I don't pay taxes for the school I already went to. My parents paid that. Hell, I don't even live in the same state, anymore. And yeah, we pay too much for too little. Public school sucks.

Re:American Greed: Pay your damn taxes!! (5, Interesting)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963695)

All people benefit from an educated society. Like all things, the cost for education goes up. If the money they get doesn't match, education gets worse.

The fact that you moved is irrelevant to the posters point.

"nd yeah, we pay too much for too little."
DO you have any clue how much education costs? IS it even within your simple mind to comprehend the fact that the job you have depends on other people being educated? That you pay less from crime when the populace is educated?

Some public schools suck, but many of them do not suck. In fact, there are multitudes of private schools that are worse then public schools.

I suggest you look into the budget and results.

Coincidentally, ANOTHER report came out recently showing how public workers get more work done, are more efficient, and effective the the private sector contractors.

Re:American Greed: Pay your damn taxes!! (-1, Troll)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964025)

All people benefit from an educated society.

Really? What's my return on investment? How much would it cost me if I didn't fund public education? Why don't I get more say in how the child is raise OUTSIDE of school, to ensure my investment is being handled properly? You know, make sure that the kid is actually doing homework, and eating right. I think it's time I take control of your kid's diet, since that can have an effect on learning: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/46811.php [medicalnewstoday.com]

You spout your nonsense as if there's no debate, yet I've seen not one of you theives back up your arguemnts with solid facts. You just keep bleating "educated people benefit everyone!"

And we can have educated people without public education. But please, live in your fantasy otherwise if it makes you feel better.

Re:American Greed: Pay your damn taxes!! (1)

internerdj (1319281) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963449)

Worse than that. How much would those people want to live with "the masses", if "the masses" were completely uneducated? I just don't get people who think everyone else's problems don't have any bearing on their own lives.

Re:American Greed: Pay your damn taxes!! (2, Insightful)

the_skywise (189793) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963465)

I see... so civilization is something money can buy now? (Other than the game, of course)

Re:American Greed: Pay your damn taxes!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25964517)

freeciv.org

'cause civilization should be free!

Re:American Greed: Pay your damn taxes!! (2, Insightful)

Samschnooks (1415697) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963493)

I disagree.

It is not a question of people not paying their taxes, it is a question of how the politicians are spending our money. It amazes me how tax increases are always for noble things, but all the money doesn't quite get there. Funny how government spending works. isn't it? If the politicians stopped using tax money to help their buddies and buy votes, maybe there would be enough money for education, police, and fire. Until the politicians stop their free spending ways and folks stop falling for the vote buying scam, I will resent paying my taxes and I will do everything under the law to avoid them. I want quality spending; not quantity.

Re:American Greed: Pay your damn taxes!! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25963659)

It is not a question of people not paying their taxes, it is a question of how the politicians are spending our money.

Amen. I can't believe how the politicians here in Florida are more than happy to cut funding to education just so that they can give themselves a nice big raise. And it's not just politicians -- ask our superintendent about that nice big raise he just got, while teachers and staff CAN'T get a single damn raise because of the "budget crisis".

Re:American Greed: Pay your damn taxes!! (1)

online-shopper (159186) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964341)

That's the truth, Administration gets paid like their private counter parts, but most of the rank and file get squat. Supers of small schools in Indiana can make 80+K/year with 120K/year for medium sized schools so as to attract the best candidates. Then everybody else get's squat.

Re:American Greed: Pay your damn taxes!! (2, Insightful)

wwahammy (765566) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963743)

That may be true at certain levels (federal, and some state) at the local level, government spending cannot get much lower without reducing the quality of services. We have this debate every year where I live and every year some area is marked for budget cuts because taxes don't keep up with increased costs (particularly health care).

We've gotten to the point where one city is not plowing the roads until a snow storm is completely done with. In Wisconsin, where storms can last a few days and we almost never cancel school or work not plowing roads is incredibly dangerous. I hope that the citizens of this city will say enough is enough (since I have to drive through it everyday) but I'm not getting my hopes up.

The honest truth is people want services without needing to pay for them. Unfortunately governments don't have the ability to provide services for free as much as people would like it to be the case.

Re:American Greed: Pay your damn taxes!! (1)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963891)

Agreed and most definitely NOT off-topic. More money needs to be funneled into the school system. I'm surprised we're not seeing things along the lines of IBM or Google paying to sponsor school districts' computer programs, from elementary through high school. If "while" loops and simple boolean mathematics were taught alongside algebra, there'd be a lot more people who were capable programmers and engineers. Even if it were as simple as some information in the welcome packet letting students and parents know that it was a sponsored course and a few reminders through the year, the increased public perception alone would be enough to make up for the cost. Add in the higher number of quality engineers that would come out of the program and it's a net positive for a company that only hires highly qualified candidates.

At the very least, they should be paying to get their top engineers teaching courses in high school and junior high.

I use them to buy civilization.

Can you blame us for wanting a refund?

Re:American Greed: Pay your damn taxes!! (0, Troll)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963925)

I went to school, my parents ALREADY PAID. And they paid more, because I spent half of my schooling in a catholic school. I see no obligation for ME to pay for your kids. Public education has failed; let parents really decide how much an education is worth by making them bare the full cost. If people need help, I have no problem with low interest government education loans like we have for college (and I still am paying off).

Sorry, but civilization will not end because we stop funding public schools, or many of the other wasteful things our taxes fund.

Re:American Greed: Pay your damn taxes!! (1)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963939)

Yes the governator was placed in one of the hardest states of the nation and hes actually done a semi-decent job. But everyone around him is corrupt, and the referendum system for EVERYTHING is insanely hard to deal with. People will always vote to have monkey butlers, free ferrarris and 3 day weekends but will never vote to raise taxes. People cannot CANNOT govern themselves, thats why we vote for reps. Even if most government officials suck more than the average person on the street who knows nothing to do with politics (see: arnold > most republicans) they are still WAY better than the mob.

This comment sponsored by... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25963267)

The American Council on Education, providing funding to US education until 2008.

Boohoo (5, Insightful)

internerdj (1319281) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963271)

If you can't be bothered to support your schools well enough that the teachers can print out tests, then you shouldn't be pissed the instructor is having to subject your child to ads to be able to afford to print the tests. This isn't even the teachers getting a (well deserved) raise, this is about not having the supplies that directly contribute to your child's education.
Ads on tests. Bad prescedant? Yes.
Can't be bothered to do anything for your child's education outside taxes? Worse prescedant? Yes.

Re:Boohoo (4, Funny)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963463)

Bad prescedant?

So... how bad were the budget cuts in *your* school?

Re:Boohoo (2, Interesting)

internerdj (1319281) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963569)

I know in high school the teachers paid for many supplies out of pocket and my teacher friends now that I am "grown up" still do. My Master's degree graduation was almost put off at least a year because of budget cuts, but luckily we narrowly scrounged up enough students to make it worth the university's resources. All teachers in my state faced a 25% cut in last month's salary because of budget shortfalls.
My son just turned one; I intend with every school year to start it by asking his teachers what the parents can provide for him/her to better teach our children.

Re:Boohoo (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25963735)

What country did you say you're from again?

Re:Boohoo (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25963811)

whoosh

Re:Boohoo (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25963903)

I know in high school the teachers paid for many supplies out of pocket and my teacher friends now that I am "grown up" still do. My Master's degree graduation was almost put off at least a year because of budget cuts, but luckily we narrowly scrounged up enough students to make it worth the university's resources.

So, in your entire Master's degree education track, you never once learned that it's "precedent", not "prescedant"?

Re:Boohoo (1)

internerdj (1319281) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964081)

No but I did learn that some errors cost 10 to 100 times more effort to find if you manually search for them rather than letting tools do it. That there is no difference in effort to correct those errors whether found through tools or manual searching. Those errors were most often of the same class that you just corrected. And it is much more likely that someone else reviewing your material will find such mistakes in your own artifacts than you yourself are. But thanks for a peer review, now if only I could edit my comment.

Re:Boohoo (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25964365)

When you're in a hole, stop digging.

Re:Boohoo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25964173)

Whoosh! It's worse than I thought!

Re:Boohoo (1)

online-shopper (159186) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964393)

a noble sentiment. I recently volunteered to bring in rootbeer, etc for my daughters science teacher for a lab. She canceled the day of because "It might have alcohol in it". Despite the fact that I told her up front there's around 0.1% alcohol from being naturally carbonated.

Re:Boohoo (0, Flamebait)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963523)

Most teachers get paid just fine.

and yes, this is a result of consistently cutting taxes.
Everyone benefits from an educated society...everyone.

Re:Boohoo (3, Insightful)

internerdj (1319281) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963769)

Teachers in my state get paid very poorly, but hey we have one of the lowest property taxes of any state. Yay priorities. :-/

Re:Boohoo (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964163)

They should do this for every federal/state/city agency that's getting hammered by cuts now. What's wrong with a prisoner being held at the "OfficeMax Federal Penitentiary"? And do you really care if the state trooper that pulls you over has a few logos on his car or not?

Re:Boohoo (1)

blincoln (592401) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964399)

What's wrong with a prisoner being held at the "OfficeMax Federal Penitentiary"? And do you really care if the state trooper that pulls you over has a few logos on his car or not?

It's too likely to lead to preferential treatment for the executives of the companies doing the sponsoring.

Re:Boohoo (5, Insightful)

merreborn (853723) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964195)

this is about not having the supplies that directly contribute to your child's education

We have one of the highest per-student education spending rates in the world, and yet so little of that money ends up going where it's actually needed -- to competent teachers and classroom supplies.

D.C., specifically, is an amazing example of waste [news8.net] :

D.C. spent about $13,400 per student in 2006, which was only exceeded by New York and New Jersey.

Despite the city's high per-student spending, scores on math and reading were the lowest in the country last year, according to results of the National Assessment of Educational Progress tests.

To make matters worse, less than half of that money is actually going to instruction; most of it goes to administration, with 14 administrators raking in at least $150,000 per year [parapundit.com] .

We've doubled education spending but test scores haven't improved at all [go.com] :

And while many people say, "We need to spend more money on our schools," there actually isn't a link between spending and student achievement.

Jay Greene, author of "Education Myths," points out that "If money were the solution, the problem would already be solved ... We've doubled per pupil spending, adjusting for inflation, over the last 30 years, and yet schools aren't better."

He's absolutely right. National graduation rates and achievement scores are flat, while spending on education has increased more than 100 percent since 1971. More money hasn't helped American kids.

Much of the money never makes it to our children; instead it goes to tenured incompetents [fastcompany.com] who only bother to show up to work for the paycheck, useless bureaucrats, and other waste.

World's highest per-student spending rates, and yet our teachers can't afford to make photocopies. How the hell did we get here?

Re:Boohoo (1)

internerdj (1319281) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964369)

One can only imagine what the socialization of medical care will get us...

Oblig. (5, Funny)

Nazlfrag (1035012) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963285)

If you have three Pepsis and drink one, how much more refreshed are you?

Re:Oblig. (1)

Theoboley (1226542) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963329)

the answer is B.

Re:Oblig. (1)

Tyrannicsupremacy (1354431) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963373)

no spam intended, but hahahahahaha!

Re:Oblig. (5, Funny)

Killer Orca (1373645) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963485)

Zero. Pepsis aren't refreshing.

Re:Oblig. (2, Informative)

denis-The-menace (471988) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963651)

correct.
The sugar in them MAKES you more thirsty.
You can't taste the sugar because of the fizz.

Drink Water!

Re:Oblig. (1)

lupinstel (792700) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964211)

You want me to drink what is in toilets?

Re:Oblig. (1)

denis-The-menace (471988) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964397)

Hey, The faucet and the toilet get their water from the same place. (as a plumber)

Unless you recycle water and flush with grey water OR you drink like a dog, You can drink the water in the toilet tank.

Re:Oblig. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25964385)

FAIL

Re:Oblig. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25964117)

Pepsi.

Brilliant but thought of before (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25963291)

I had a calculus teacher in New York in 2001 who wanted to rent his desk as ad space to help pay for education. So this isn't exactly novel.

Awesome!!! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25963293)

This is a great idea! Young people LOVE taking tests and the next time they go past Bennys Burger(TM) they are guaranteed to think that is THE place to go! Soon methods like trying to associate your brand with cool music or a sports star will be history.

Sponsored by Bennys Burger Inc(TM).

Re:Awesome!!! (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963919)

This is a great idea! Young people LOVE taking tests and the next time they go past Bennys Burger(TM) they are guaranteed to think that is THE place to go! Soon methods like trying to associate your brand with cool music or a sports star will be history.

Just wait until the ad on the test is actually a tear-off coupon.

What if you sponsor your cheat sheet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25963297)

Sponsored by e^ipi = -1!

RB? (4, Informative)

Goldsmith (561202) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963305)

This is Rancho Bernardo? That's not exactly the inner city. Maybe charge $2 more per seat at the football games and have a properly funded Calc class.

Hmmm.... (4, Funny)

TripMaster Monkey (862126) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963307)

I wonder if you could take out an "ad" with certain calculus notes buried within it...like having the Ideal Gas Equation or Hooke's Law as a tiny part of a graphic... ^_^

Re:Hmmm.... (2, Informative)

Rayeth (1335201) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964191)

How would those physics equations help on a calculus test? Maybe if it had the formula for finding a derivative or part of an integration table maybe.

Out with the bad, in with the bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25963327)

Schools are chucking their old monetary supplements of Pepsi/Coke endorsement. Pepsi had a five million dollar/yr contract with my high school. Five million.

If this is how they need to make ends meet, it could be the taxpayers own fault. I watched many school funding bills fail on election day. I say 'kudos' to this professor for his ingenuity, but the system as a whole is screwed.

I can see it now... (4, Funny)

get quad (917331) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963349)

This test brought to you by CDABCCDACDBBACCADBC and the bonus question is 42.

Another failure (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25963351)

Another failure brought to you by zombcom

The Next Test... (5, Insightful)

HarvardAce (771954) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963359)

While not a bad idea, the implementation could be much better...Picture this test:

1) McDonald's $2 Big Mac contains two all-beef patties that are cylinders of height 0.5cm and diameter 5cm. Burger King's $3 whopper contains two beef-like substances that are cylinders of height 0.3cm and diameter 4.5cm. How many more times valuable is the Big Mac versus the Whopper, assuming a sandwich's value is directly proportional to the amount of beef (or beef-like substance) in it?

2) A Subway Sweet Onion Chicken Teriyaki 6" sub contains 250 kcal of lean, healthy energy. A Wendy's Baconator contains 975 kcal of thigh-hugging and gut-enlarging fat. If all the energy of these sandwiches were put into a 100kg person climbing a ladder, how much higher would the 100kg person have to climb in order to use up all the energy (assuming all energy spent is put into the potential energy from climbing)?

The possibilities are endless! We'd never have to worry about education funding again!

Re:The Next Test... (5, Funny)

holychicken (1307483) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963717)

Too bad the end is a very scary place:

1) CHvEApP_VIiAoGRzA costs 1.59$ per dose. 1 dose enlarges a 100mL penis by 10%. How much money for CHvEApP_VIiAoGRzA would one need to increase their 95mL penis the same amount gained by the P3|\|I$ eNlARg|\/|EnT that one could buy for 10$?

Re:The Next Test... (3, Funny)

Muad'Dave (255648) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963837)

...assuming all energy spent is put into the potential energy from climbing?

And assuming the person that ate the Baconator didn't have a heart attack on the way up the ladder.

Re:The Next Test... (0, Troll)

HaynieMatt (755882) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964109)

How much will you pay in taxes, if Obama wins and you make $100k?

Re:The Next Test... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25964179)

I'd rather see less advertising pointed at young, impressionable minds. Bog knows they get enough of it on the damned idiot box.

For the most part, I'd suggest that the school board sets a policy for which advertisers can be accepted and which can't. For the most part this would keep corrupt state or national level politicians out of the process. I really don't see a large corporation spending thousands of dollars to lobby a few local school board members, whereas they might do it at a state or national level.

The message from the parents bit doesn't sound all that bad. Sounds like a nice way to get parents more involved in the education process, if only through making them take some notice of it and fund it locally.

Good idea when you think about it. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25963361)

Before you get angry at this, think about the present state of public schools. When I was still going to school about 3 years ago, I was in a public school district that had to cut basically everything that wasn't absolutely essential due to a budget crisis. The schools were in shambles, and teachers had no supplies to do anything. One of my science teachers wanted to send a team to do Science Olympiad, a competition that involved performing experiments, taking tests, and building contraptions. The thing is, due to the budget cuts, the schools wouldn't pay for it. So, out of his own generosity, (teachers don't get paid much to begin with), he paid for all the supplies and the fees to go. This wound up probably costing him into the thousands, just to send his students to a competition. Many teachers don't have the materials they need to teach what they want to teach. If selling a space at the bottom of a test will give them a small relief to be able to buy materials and such, I think this is an excellent idea.

I don't know why (1)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963417)

but I totally support this. It's funny.

I wish my math tests had ads for lesbianwhores.com.

Of course when I had math tests, the Apple II was state of the art, and the intertoobs were still APRAnet.

Fuck, I'm old. :-(

Only a matter of time (1)

Volante3192 (953645) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963425)

Driving by a local high school that had loads of banners from local businesses and other similar things, I pondered how long it will be until kids start attending 'Coca-Cola Middle School' instead of 'George Washington Middle School'...

hmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25963453)

This test sponsored by www.testanswers.com

Selling ads on test is wrong (1)

Orig_Club_Soda (983823) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963483)

Its a distraction form the test and the learning process. PLUS, as a tax funded institution, no content should be allowed without the prior approval of the parents.

As an alternative, get the advertisers to supply students with backpacks of materials and supplies at the start of the semester. They can slap a sticker on everything.

Re:Selling ads on test is wrong (1)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964215)

PLUS, as a tax funded institution, no content should be allowed without the prior approval of the parents.

Surely ALL taxpayers should have a say, as a tax fund instutition?

I had this guy for class 6 years ago. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25963511)

I went to RB high, and had Mr. Farber for Pre-Calc in 2002-2003. This doesn't exactly surprise me, he's an intelligent guy that looks for all sorts of opportunities.

Unfortunately the man isn't exactly the friendliest guy in the world and is a gigantic jerk to students that aren't on track to finish 2nd year Calc before going to college, and was probably the worst math teacher I had at RB high.

he also married a former student half his age (eww)

Re:I had this guy for class 6 years ago. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25964229)

he also married (eww)

Many Slashdotters experience similar feelings of nausea at the concepts of "marriage" and "sex". Fear not, your confusion is perfectly natural.

Not terrible (1)

Killer Orca (1373645) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963539)

Really it isn't. I've recently been trying to figure out how to make Public Schools more like the Post Office, i.e. not operating in the red, and the answer I keep circling back to is advertising. Are there better ways? Maybe, but I can't think of any. And no, I don't mean full on advertising like blaring announcements between classes with videos to boot, but maybe corporate funded text books, yes I know historically they are inaccurate, that only allow for example problems to use their product/brand.

Re:Not terrible (5, Insightful)

swordgeek (112599) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964491)

I'd say that this *IS* terrible, and that your response proves it.

Schools, first and foremost, shouldn't be a profit centre. Secondly, they shouldn't be even thought of in terms of profit/loss, or fiscal sustainability. If you're going to put financial terms on a school, then it is a cost centre, plain and simple. You put money into it because you need it, not in order to get money back out of it (directly).

Of course, you need to justify your costs. Boards are set up for that--"We need this much money for these educational tools and programs, and this is how it will get used." That's the price of living in a money-driven economy.

Putting ads on educational materials creates so many more inadvertent lessons: Society doesn't value education; your only important role in life is as a consumer; knowledge is only worthwhile if it has direct practical benefits; the list goes on.

"I don't mean full on advertising like blaring announcements between classes with videos to boot, but maybe corporate funded text books..."

There is no difference. There is NO DIFFERENCE between corporate funding of books, ads on exam papers, and non-stop ads over the PA system, except for volume.

The thing to keep in mind is that companies don't buy ad space out of the good of their hearts--they do it because they can make a profit, and the way they make a profit is by getting the viewer (i.e. the students or their parents) to buy their product.

Besides which, advertising in schools is generally illegal in the US--the vending companies have managed to circumvent it, as have the dirtbags at Channel 1. The result is that parents are fighting, and in some cases winning.

distracting (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25963591)

is it like an american airline passenger flight takes off from New York travelling 430 mph with 300 passengers who booked their holiday to exciting London with expedia.com Meanwhile a Virgin Atlantic flight takes off from Heathrow travelling at 550 mph.....

This is bad (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963593)

Where advertising goes follows influence.
Once the schools depend on this, they will be preyed upon by anyone that advertises.

Personally, I am outraged.
Instead of putting ads on tests, quietly cutting days from the year, and making shorter hours. They should loudly cut the days by 1/3, or cut off the days they can't pay for the end of the year. Let the parents know the effects of shooting down' taxes for education. Don't hide the effects from them.

When they ahve to pay a 500 bucks a week for day care, suddenly those taxes won't seem so bad.

Re:This is bad (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963781)

Cutting out school days would only worsen the problem. Then you'd have fewer qualified teachers willing to work for the money. Parents would get angry, non-parents wouldn't take any more notice than normal, and politicians would continue to promise to do something about it and then claim there just isn't enough budget to kill people in Iraq and support the school system, too.

Re:This is bad (1)

characterZer0 (138196) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964003)

NY State pays about $15,000 per student per year on average. The results suck. I could* put my children into a good private school for that. I could put my children into a good private school for half of that. You better believe I want to shoot down taxes for education. Especially when the superintendent of my 35,000 student district makes a quarter million per year.

* My children are not yet of school age, but when they are, they will NOT attend the lousy public schools that my taxes are supporting.

Could be worse (5, Funny)

Gre7g (801284) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963683)

I know I should really hate that he's doing this, but I don't. It's kind'a nice.

Sure beats what my EE lab prof did... he stapled McDonald's applications to a final and shouted "None of you will ever be electrical engineers! Yer' gonn'a need that last page..."

Man, what a bastard.

Re:Could be worse (1)

bladesjester (774793) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964347)

I'm hoping you took it up with the department chair or other appropriate university office...

If he actually did that, the man deserves to be fired.

A number of thoughts... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25963813)

The world shall be right when armies have to have bake sales and schools are fully funded.

My biggest concern is: what happens to the "profit" left after buying his supplies?

I'm not sure what to think of this though. But I can certainly understand why he thought it necessary. I have to wonder...how fully funded are the athletic programs there? I'd bet the football team gets what it needs with no questions asked.

A school librarian I use to work with had a comical article hanging up that I'll never forget. Basically it's written up to look like a letter from a parent who's ticked off with how much teachers get paid. The "parent" demands that the teacher get paid just like a babysitter. But when he starts doing the math for $$ per hour, times X hours, times X kids, times X days in the year...it was coming up with a MUCH larger figure than the initial amount being argued about.

Re:A number of thoughts... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25964277)

At least at my high school (2 years ago), the football and ice hockey teams got whatever they wanted, no questions asked, but received no more funding than any other sports team (whereas most of the other teams could barely afford to travel to all of their away competitions). Why was this? Booster Clubs. The parents, alumni, teachers, local businesses, etc. all donated to the Booster Clubs, and the football team could have their new bleachers or whatever they felt like they needed.

If only that same group of people took as much interest in Calculus.

Old news. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25964079)

Medical books have been advertising medications for nearly 5 years, and the tests have been made on these medications. So when doctors graduate, they don't have a fundamental understanding of the physiology they are dealing with, but instead, mounds of debt, drug companies telling them what drugs to use to treat what symptoms, and a lot of angst-filled bosses.

The reality of the situation is that this country is in a _lot_ of debt, and for those who don't have debt there are people who are figuring out ways to scam them into being in debt.

There was another story about how municipalities have been charging/billing people for accident response from firemen and police. I say, the municipalities charge the federal government and state government a "tax collection fee" consummate to the amount they should be paying them and cut the federal and state share.

Large institutions are all scams; no man can understand the needs of millions, only his own and therefor, large institutions run by a single man simply exist to lift wealth from everyone else.

So wrong (3, Insightful)

swordgeek (112599) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964157)

This is so utterly wrong that I honestly feel sick. If this is happening, then it means that society as a whole has failed at one of its three primary purposes. Capitalism has gone from a financial model to a political one, and now a societal one.

Obligatory (1)

wagr (1070120) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964259)

Q. Explain The Ramanujan conjecture.

A. I, for one, welcome our new corporate overlords.

* This question brought to you by the Foundation for Corporate Speech Rights *

PS, I don't.

Absolutely unethical (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964387)

If I were on the school board, I would vote to have the teacher fired.

Certainly he is clever, but there are times and places for everything, and ads on school tests do not make the cut.

Can they bring spam blockers? (1)

VinylRecords (1292374) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964411)

"Teacher teacher! I tried to answer question number three but the space was taken up by an intrusive Viagra advertisement!!!!"

Brought to you by the Number 3. (1)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964455)

Given the state of education today, I have a sponsor [wikia.com] suggestion...

Hmm... (1)

lucky130 (267588) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964461)

"$10 for a quiz, $20 for a chapter test, and $30 for a semester final"

Sounds like a pretty cheap price to stick a cheat-sheet on your test under the guise of "advertisement".

MSNBC's video story. (1)

antdude (79039) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964463)

See here [msn.com] from VideoSift [videosift.com] ).

You know what? (1)

jayhawk88 (160512) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964531)

Don't like it? Fund your fucking public schools, idiots.

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