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Windows Drops Below 90% Market Share

kdawson posted more than 5 years ago | from the easing-the-stranglehold dept.

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ozmanjusri writes "Online market share of the dominant Windows operating system has taken its biggest monthly fall in years to drop below 90%, according to Net Applications Inc. Computerworld reports that Microsoft's flagship product has been steadily losing ground to Mac OS X and Linux, and is at its lowest ebb in the market since 1995. 'Mac OS X... [ended] the month at 8.9%. November was the third month running that Apple's operating system remained above 8%.' The stats show that while some customers are 'upgrading' from XP to Vista, many are jumping ship to Apple, while Linux is also steadily gaining ground. A Net Applications executive suggests the slide may be caused by many of the same factors that caused the fall in Internet Explorer use. 'The more home users who are online, using Macs and Firefox and Safari, the more those shares go up,' he said. November has more weekend days, as well Thanksgiving in the US, a result that emphasizes the importance of corporate sales to Microsoft."

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595 comments

BSD is dead (-1, Troll)

Reikk (534266) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963711)

Dead, dead, dead. Give up hope now.

Yes, Laughable Numbers. (0, Troll)

Erris (531066) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963731)

GNU/Linux less than 2%? I don't think so. EEE PC has sold more than 4 million, most of them GNU/Linux, and that makes about 0.5% of the world market on it's own. My SWAG is that there's about 10 GNU/Linux desktops for every EEE PC sold.

The only thing interesting here is the Wintel press conceding declines. The loss of market share thanks to Vista and GNU/Linux improvements is undeniable.

Re:Yes, Laughable Numbers. (2, Insightful)

QuantumRiff (120817) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963815)

But then you have to factor in the people that do things like setup firefox to report its running IE6 on Windows XP to get web pages to display correctly (remember when MS would send broken CSS Pages to non-MS browsers a few years ago?). And 4 million SubNetbooks is nothing. Think about how many windows desktops have been sold, over the last 5-6 years that are still being used! (and you can get the EEE PC with XP on it)

Will someone please think of the XP users? (1, Troll)

Erris (531066) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964245)

Think about how many windows desktops have been sold, over the last 5-6 years that are still being used!

Ah yes, the brisk sales that have bankrupted CompUSA, DSG, Circuit City and damaged many others. It is true that most systems shipped still go with XP, and at least 1/3 of the Vista machines get XP or GNU/Linux within a few months of use. We should all weep for the home market's lost productivity and the sadness of a seven year old operating system. Even I have to admit that a virused out XP machine is what you find in most people's home but GNU/Linux use is better than 2%.

The older computer market is a good sign for GNU/Linux. Computers older than five years old are essentially netbooks, 1GHz class machines with 1 or 2 GB of RAM and small hard drives. "Updated" XP runs poorly on those too, so the users are either GNU/Linux users or in the market for GNU/Linux or Mac. No one is buying a GNU/Linux netbook and then torturing themselves with a $200 XP install.

Re:Will someone please think of the XP users? (0, Flamebait)

dedazo (737510) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964453)

Ah yes, the brisk sales that have bankrupted CompUSA, DSG, Circuit City and damaged many others.

If those companies sold nothing more than PCs (they certainly don't), or their margins on those PCs were stellar to begin with (they never were), then this might be true. Unfortunately it's just a figment of your imagination, which you continue [slashdot.org] to try and push as fact, like many other things (ACPI comes to mind).

Why do you lie [slashdot.org] and make these things up about Microsoft, twitter? Don't they do enough crappy things to satisfy even you?

Re:Will someone please think of the XP users? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25964521)

I wish I could be as much of an optimist as you twitter, however I feel like you didn't factor in all those people that took back their eeepc's after it wouldn't run their windows programs. Remember that news from 6 months ago about the eeepc returns being more for Linux then xp installs?

With that being said there's nothing wrong with lower numbers or conservative numbers. In my opinion a growing number is better then a declining number.

It would in fact probably be more of an advantage to mask all Linux machines as Windows boxes, it'd cache Microsoft off guard and by the time they realised their market share is significantly less then it actually is.. well..

Pulling stats out of thin air (4, Informative)

dedazo (737510) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964041)

Hi twitter [slashdot.org] .

EEE PC has sold more than 4 million, most of them GNU/Linux

Really? I must admit I didn't know much about this but a little bit of Google reveals this interview [laptopmag.com] with ASUS CEO Jerry Shen, which I think was also reported here on Slashdot (about the return rates for Linux devices, which he seems to invalidate):

I think the return rate for the Eee PCs are low but I believe the Linux and Windows have similar return rates. We really separate the products into different user groups. A lot of users like the Windows XP, but in Europe a lot of people want the Linux option. Actually in Linux we support the Easy Mode and in Q4 of this year we are going to start selling Windows XP with an Easy Mode.

Here's another article where Shen is also quoted about the ratio of XP to Linux EEE units sold, which he says is 60:40:

Shen -- who is keen on Linux -- said Asus had hoped sales of Eee PCs would be 50:50 between XP and Linux, but actually they were 60:40 in XP's favour. (I assume that's for this calendar year.) So far, around 4m have been sold, and the target is 5m for this year.

So obviously you're just making that up. Nothing like bogus facts and words like "laughable" and "undeniable" to get on moderators' good graces, eh?

Re:Pulling stats out of thin air (0, Troll)

davie (191) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964181)

There is no such thing as a bogus fact.

Re:Pulling stats out of thin air (5, Funny)

H0p313ss (811249) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964253)

There is no such thing as a bogus fact.

[citation needed]

Re:Pulling stats out of thin air (4)

davie (191) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964293)

um...a dictionary?

Re:Pulling stats out of thin air (3, Insightful)

SgtPepperKSU (905229) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964335)

Just plain wrong.

A fact is a fact, regardless of whether or not it is true. The opposite of fact is opinion, not falsehood.

Re:Pulling stats out of thin air (1)

Enter the Shoggoth (1362079) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964435)

Just plain wrong.

A fact is a fact, regardless of whether or not it is true. The opposite of fact is opinion, not falsehood.

At last someone else who understands that facts do not equal thruth and thruth does not equal facts.

Re:Pulling stats out of thin air (1)

dedazo (737510) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964495)

Well, I guess that's true. What do you call a figment of one's imagination that's presented as fact? A factimaginated... factoid? :)

Re:Pulling stats out of thin air (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25964221)

ouch, busted

Re:Pulling stats out of thin air (1, Offtopic)

east coast (590680) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964611)

Hey now! People are being forced to buy the Windows Asus and are installing Linux over it. It's that damned Microsoft tax. Don't you know that? That's how MS and Apple keep the Linux marketshare down artificially. We all know this.

Damn it! It's a fact!

Re:Yes, Laughable Numbers. (2, Informative)

2nd Post! (213333) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964227)

Um, iPhones sold about 11m now, worldwide, which would help push the EEPC effect down.

On top of that, Mac sales are also about 10m, worldwide.

So even if Linux is growing, Mac/iPhone is growing faster.

Re:Yes, Laughable Numbers. (1)

Macthorpe (960048) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964473)

Laughable because you don't agree with them, I assume.

I note that the summary and article provide evidence whereas you haven't. Care to oblige?

Re:BSD is dead (4, Funny)

Oooskar (806935) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964031)

Yet, the cited study places a FreeBSD based OS at 10 times the Linux market share.

Good news (5, Funny)

Kratisto (1080113) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963713)

This is good news. It surely means the year of the Linux Desktop is impending.

Re:Good news (1, Funny)

LingNoi (1066278) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964613)

1) Read title
2) Click "read more" knowing someone has already written YoLD meme
3) ....
4) Profit!!!

sounds like... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25963723)

the year of... windows not on the desktop!

Re:sounds like... (5, Funny)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963831)

the year of... windows not on the desktop!

You're right. Windows should stay where it belongs--on servers and in embedded systems.

Ha! (5, Interesting)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963725)

And I get modded flamebait for pointing out [slashdot.org] earlier today that Apple is gaining market share? It's true. Apple is gaining ground. Of course, it probably doesn't help MS that Vista isn't exactly setting the world on fire.

Re:Ha! (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25963841)

If you write a true comment in a Flamebaitisticalish way (which you did), you will get modded as such ;)

Re:Ha! (5, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963907)

*You* try writing a comment about either MS or Apple without using sarcasm. The temptation is just too strong for this mortal.

Re:Ha! (5, Funny)

pitchpipe (708843) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964111)

Microsoft is the best software company out there. Also, they are not a monopoly.

Apple is not a cult.

See, no sarcasm.

Oh, I see...

Re:Ha! (5, Funny)

tripdizzle (1386273) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963873)

Vista isn't exactly setting the world on fire.

When my aunt wasn't able to install her MS Money on Vista, she thought her world was on fire

Re:Ha! (4, Interesting)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963893)

No, it's not apples gain in market share people were complaining about, it was the conclusion that desire to write viruses and market share have any significant correlation that they were probably modding you on.

Remember, not many mods follow the 'there is no -1 disagree for a reason' rule for modding.

That being said, I think the whole 8.9% market share in conjunction with Apple's "We're number 1" cheerleader commercial quite hilarious.

Re:Ha! (5, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963995)

I think it's less a "good news for Apple" story as it is a "bad news for MS" story. Apple gained a slight bit of market share. But MS is in a much more vulnerable position. MS's entire business model is pretty much PREDICATED on the proposition that they pretty much own the OS market (and has been for a long time now). Anything that threatens that share, even just a little, threatens the very underpinnings of the company.

God, it was hard getting through that paragraph with no sarcasm.

Re:Ha! (5, Funny)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964169)

Good thing they're spending $300 million more on marketing, then! Maybe that Mojave thing we keep hearing about will turn things around for them.

Yeah, I can't avoid the sarcasm either.

Re:Ha! (4, Insightful)

Golias (176380) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964269)

I think it's less a "good news for Apple" story as it is a "bad news for MS" story. Apple gained a slight bit of market share. But MS is in a much more vulnerable position. MS's entire business model is pretty much PREDICATED on the proposition that they pretty much own the OS market (and has been for a long time now). Anything that threatens that share, even just a little, threatens the very underpinnings of the company.

God, it was hard getting through that paragraph with no sarcasm.

Okay, let's get a little perspective here. It's a common meme in the business that Microsoft makes more money selling software to Mac users than Apple makes selling Macs to Mac users. I'm not positive whether that's still true, but it would not surprise me in the least if it was. MS-Office for Mac still costs a king's ransom and still sells like hotcakes at Apple Stores everywhere.

Microsoft makes pretty good bank on Windows, but it's far from being their main revenue stream. Productivity software, enterprise solutions, and services are where their big bucks come from.

What I find amusing about the story is this: Apple raises their market share from what was possibly as low as 3 percent a couple years ago to about 9 percent, while Linux remains something that non-nerds are not even sure how to pronounce, and what's the spin on Slashdot? "OS X and Linux are chipping away at Microsoft's market share!"

Re:Ha! (1)

Hikaru79 (832891) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964357)

Okay, let's get a little perspective here. It's a common meme in the business that Microsoft makes more money selling software to Mac users than Apple makes selling Macs to Mac users. I'm not positive whether that's still true, but it would not surprise me in the least if it was. MS-Office for Mac still costs a king's ransom and still sells like hotcakes at Apple Stores everywhere.

Maybe I'm being naive here, but how could this possibly be true? Even if every single Mac owner bought a copy of Office for every single Mac they owned, wouldn't Microsoft still be making less money by virtue of the fact that Office is (hopefully? I haven't checked) cheaper than the Mac itself?

Re:Ha! (5, Insightful)

Golias (176380) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964425)

It's a matter of margins.

Each Mac mini needs to be built in a Chinese sweatshop and then shipped to the US.

Each MacBook needs to be built in a Taiwanese sweatshop and then shipped to the US.

Each version of MS-Office needs to be written once and then sold on $0.50 disks to millions of users for hundreds of dollars each. Plus, if the user is "keeping up" with your versions, you'll ding them about 3 times over the useful life of the Mac they're running it on.

Re:Ha! (1)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964477)

The marginal cost of Apple hardware is high. The marginal cost of a copy of office is less than a penny, including packaging. You do the math.

Re:Ha! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25964565)

Two words:

Profit margins.

Re:Ha! (2, Interesting)

Timothy Brownawell (627747) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964577)

Okay, let's get a little perspective here. It's a common meme in the business that Microsoft makes more money selling software to Mac users than Apple makes selling Macs to Mac users. I'm not positive whether that's still true, but it would not surprise me in the least if it was. MS-Office for Mac still costs a king's ransom and still sells like hotcakes at Apple Stores everywhere.

Maybe I'm being naive here, but how could this possibly be true? Even if every single Mac owner bought a copy of Office for every single Mac they owned, wouldn't Microsoft still be making less money by virtue of the fact that Office is (hopefully? I haven't checked) cheaper than the Mac itself?

Assume a mac costs $1000 and has a 5% profit margin.
Assume MS-Office costs $100 and has a 51% profit margin.
Apple gets $50 (net) for each mac sold, while MS gets $51 (net). So MS makes $1 more with 1/10 as much in sales, due to the absurd profit margin having a copyright gives them.

(note that I don't know what the real numbers are, the ones here are made up to show how this could be possible)

Re:Ha! (4, Insightful)

GuyverDH (232921) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964419)

OS X is chipping away at the desktop market.
Linux is chipping away at the enterprise server market.

So yes, OS X and Linux are chipping away at Microsoft's market share of 2 or more markets...

Re:Ha! (5, Insightful)

Golias (176380) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964567)

This is an article about the desktop market, not the enterprise market. Linux remains a non-factor on the desktop.

As for the enterprise, I admit I haven't been paying very close attention since shifting my career towards more of a programming role, but it seems to me that there were a lot more enterprises running some flavor of Unix or another (including Linux) ten years ago, and a lot fewer Windows Enterprise shops back then. A decade ago, Windows was not taken very seriously as a "big iron" server solution. Now they seem to have bleed into many (if not most) corporate server farms, though still not the overwhelming dominance they have in the desktop market. Am I just horribly misguided on that score?

Federal bailout? (5, Funny)

cashman73 (855518) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963737)

OMG! Micro$oft is about ready to go under!!!! There's going to be huge consequences for our economy!!!! Send Steve Ballmer to DC in his private jet to throw some chairs around and get us $25 billion immediately!!!!

amazing revelations from computerworld (2, Funny)

Aurisor (932566) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963749)

"The more home users who are online, using Macs and Firefox and Safari, the more those shares go up,"

Let me get this straight...if more people use a browser, then there are more people using that browser? Brilliant!

Re:amazing revelations from computerworld (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25964029)

The definition of redundant: see redundant? What?

Re:amazing revelations from computerworld (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964071)

Home, as opposed to in the office.

Eventually it will happen. (1)

Rikiji7 (1182159) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963761)

Nothing more to say.

Re:Eventually it will happen. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25964147)

Eventually the sun will grow into a red giant and possibly engulf the Earth before burning out too.

Re:Eventually it will happen. (1)

LingNoi (1066278) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964661)

The environmentalists aren't going to be happy about this one...

Monopoloy (5, Interesting)

BradleyUffner (103496) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963763)

Just curious, but at what point is Microsoft no longer considered a monopoloy? At what percentage are they legally allowed to start pulling the dirty tricks again?

Re:Monopoloy (5, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963843)

Maybe at some point MS will become the underdog and /. will feature Apple stories with a pic of Steve Jobs as a borg. And a million Apple fans will cry out, as if suddenly stripped of their exclusive status symbol as the hip outsiders.

Re:Monopoloy (-1, Offtopic)

BountyX (1227176) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964019)

+1 funny

Re:Monopoloy (3, Insightful)

Golias (176380) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964331)

Meh. Regardless of its popularity, OS X is still going to be the nicer platform to work with.

Mainstream acceptance does not always invalidate "hip" status. Obama won the election comfortably, but he's still considered the more "cool" candidate to have supported by most trendy urbanites.

Re:Monopoloy (1)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964075)

At what percentage are they legally allowed to start pulling the dirty tricks again?

Well, I hope the one they're at now. Given the tricks Apple has been pulling lately, I rather miss the devil I knew.

Re:Monopoloy (5, Insightful)

businessnerd (1009815) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964131)

Well if Apple continues to gain marketshare, we will soon find out what that threshold is. As soon as Apple gets slapped with an antitrust suit, note the current market share. That shall be hence forth the monopoly threshold. Apple is just as bad as Microsoft when it comes to consumer lock-in. You don't have to look any further than iTunes to see it, but there's plenty more examples. They just never get in trouble for it because they are perceived to be such a small player in the market (even though the iPod is clearly the dominant mp3 player).

Re:Monopoloy (1)

jcr (53032) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964451)

As soon as Apple gets slapped with an antitrust suit, note the current market share

More like, if Apple loses an antitrust suit. Those clowns at Psystar already tried floating an antitrust theory in their current legal wrangles with Apple.

-jcr

Re:Monopoloy (1)

denis-The-menace (471988) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964139)

1-When you can pick your OS when you buy your PC/laptop. (the ability to return Windows does not count)

2-When you can sell a used copy of Windows on Ebay.

Re:Monopoloy (1)

internerdj (1319281) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964261)

I'll bet there are plenty of big fish that would be willing to prevent #2 long after Microsoft has lost market share because if you can do it with Microsoft SW you can do it with anyone's.

Re:Monopoloy (1, Insightful)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964183)

Monopoly isn't all about market share. It is about anti-competitive practices.

Re:Monopoloy (1, Informative)

BradleyUffner (103496) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964301)

Monopoly isn't all about market share. It is about anti-competitive practices.

Sorry, but this is wrong. A Monopoly has nothing to do with being anti-copetitive, and everything to do with market share. Monopolies them selves are not illegal, the only become illegal when they activly act anti-competitivly. If I invent something new, with nothing at all like it existing, I have a monopoly, a legal monopoly.

in par with that, acting anti-competitively is not illegal if you are not a monopoly, as long as the individual action is not illegal that is.

Re:Monopoloy (5, Insightful)

mlwmohawk (801821) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964247)

Just curious, but at what point is Microsoft no longer considered a monopoloy? At what percentage are they legally allowed to start pulling the dirty tricks again?

when they no longer conspire to dominate the market through misconduct.

Re:Monopoloy (1)

Your.Master (1088569) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964719)

You can do that without being a monopoly. In fact, the very term "conspire" almost implies an oligopoly.

Re:Monopoloy (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964403)

I don't know US law well enough, but in our law it's merely defined as as a "dominating market power" without any percentages attached, and I would be surprised if the US had it any different. I think the biggest reason is what defines a market, to use a car analogy (why not?) obviously Ford has a monopoly on Fords and Toyota on Toyotas, but what's really "the market"? Could someone have say a monopoly on hybrid electrics, or could you say that they don't have a monopoly on personal transportation because there's motorcycles and lorries and tractors and bicycles that could be used for the same purpose? And I think in practise there's a floating scale that the more dominating you are, the less foul play you get to do. At any rate, if nothing much really happened when they were pulling dirty tricks illegally, is there any resaon to care where that legal line goes?

Re:Monopoloy (5, Informative)

zubikov (1172699) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964417)

The US antitrust regulators like to go by two metrics: Herfindahl Index (HHI) and Market Concentration Ratio (google them up). HHI = s1^2 + s2^2 + s3^2 + ... + sn^2 (where sn is the market share of the ith firm) If the HHI index is > 1800, this usually means it's a monopoly. Nothing is set in stone, but play around with the numbers and you'll get an idea. Basically Microsoft is still considered a monopoly for a long time.

Um... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25963767)

Did it just get colder in hell??

Finally (-1, Redundant)

CSHARP123 (904951) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963771)

This is year for Linux Desktop. Hurray!!!

Re:Finally (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25963985)

No, when Linux still fails to even capture as much of the market as Windows 2000 your year of the Linux desktop is not this year, nor any time soon.

Monopoly (1)

phorm (591458) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963791)

Question: While they're still dominant, would the rapidly decreasing market-share mean that MS will have a better chance of avoiding any monopoly-related issues/charges (or would this only be applicable if their marketshare dropped below XX%)?

Re:Monopoly (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964095)

Rapidly decreasing?
LOL.

Re:Monopoly (1)

mpapet (761907) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964273)

would the rapidly decreasing market-share mean that MS will have a better chance of avoiding any monopoly-related issues/charges

1. I wouldn't call this a *rapid* decline.

2. There's not much avoiding they have to do. There is no political will to dredge up this case.

3. The monopoly effect is still in play. They get to demand a huge premium for their product, stifle innovation, and restrict the supply of computers.

Even if they squander more desktop share away, they've still got several monopoly-powered crack pipes most enterprises are happy to over-pay for like Exchange.

My sincerest hope is management doggedly sticks to their current strategy. They are really going places with it.

Below 90% of web use only. (0, Offtopic)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963793)

FTA

In November, 89.6% of users who connected to the Web sites that Net Applications Inc. monitors [...]

It's been below 90% in terms of IP addresses for quite some time. Not a lot of websurfing is done on servers, cluster nodes, or routers.

Re:Below 90% of web use only. (1)

B2382F29 (742174) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964361)

You might want to check your math there.
So you are suggesting that the numbers are so low because of many Microsoft Servers not being counted?

According to your theory, the ratio of servers to desktops would be higher for Microsoft than for other Systems (e.g. Linux), otherwise, if you count all installations instead of just desktops, the number (percentage of Microsoft installations) would go down.

Although that might be possible for Apple, UNIX/Linux systems sure as hell have a higher server to desktop installation ratio.

Meanwhile (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25963805)

Linux user's obesity rate goes above 90%.

Chance this post gets -1 rises to 100%.

DNF released ? (1)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963821)

So 2008 must be the Year of the Linux Desktop !

Measurement (1)

CSHARP123 (904951) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963839)

I did not RTFA, Is is just the US Market or euro included?

Re:Measurement (3, Informative)

je ne sais quoi (987177) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964047)

As I pointed out when I submitted another story of the same subject yesterday (which for some reason wasn't selected for the front page, I think slashdot needs to wait for something to be old news before it makes the front page): A CNN blog [cnn.com] has a write-up on it that contains some information on how this is measured:

Net Applications' monthly surveys are conducted by sampling browser data from some 160 million visits to Web sites operated by firm's clients. Although the company describes the results as "market shares," Net Applications does not actually measure share of market in the traditional sense of sales revenue or unit sales. It does, however, provide a consistent methodology by which to measure browser and operating system trends.

I don't know if their clients are U.S. only or Worldwide.

Also in that report, it shows that Firefox use broke 20% for the first time ever at the expense of Internet Explorer.

No Problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25963863)

89% market share ought to be enough for anybody.

Many factors... (2, Insightful)

rkhalloran (136467) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963871)

There's the general opinion of Vista's unsuitability, the rise in Macs, the netbook phenomenon, the economic downturn slowing hardware turnover, all leading to fewer Windows boxes out there. The question is whether MS has any chance of reclaiming them with their even-fatter Windows 7, or accelerate the downturn.

Now if some Large Visible Company decided to jump off the Microsoft Upgrade Treadmill in favor of Some Other OS, *THAT* would be a story...

SCOX(Q) DELENDA EST!!

Re:Many factors... (2, Insightful)

maxume (22995) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964207)

The unsuitability of Vista is an internet echo chamber, not a general opinion.

Sure, a lot of the people using it aren't entirely happy with it, but read that again.

Re:Many factors... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25964373)

The unsuitability of Vista is an internet echo chamber, not a general opinion.

Sure, a lot of the people using it aren't entirely happy with it, but read that again.

The only difference is this time the echo chamber isn't in Microsoft's favor.

OMG (1)

GeorgeMonroy (784609) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963909)

Microsoft is in trouble!

Next we will see commercials asking people to sponsor a Microsoft employee for as little as 10 cents a day.

I believe it .... (4, Insightful)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963911)

When people realize there are alternatives, they start to look for MORE of them. Firefox specifically is proving that one doesn't need MS to do normal activity. When no website "breaks" because one is using FF, they subtly say "wow". When they learn of new features (tabs) in IE and realize that those were available in FF long before MS got to them, they go "wow".

This would cause people to look at what they do, not what they use to do it, and see if what they need is available elsewhere.

The next big push should be OpenOffice. My kid comes in and shows me her "Powerpoint" (her words) and I know that I haven't put MS Office on her computer, then I point out that it isn't "PowerPoint" but a presentation. She realizes it isn't Microsoft Office and I now have someone who can tell her friends "I didn't use MS Office" (and she will too!).

When people realize they can surf the net (already there) and make "PowerPoints" and "Word Documents" and "Excel Spreadsheet", it will increase the options for discovering that one CAN get along quite nicely without Microsoft.

I've long said that 2007-8 is going to be the beginning of the end for MS. The writing is on the walls, it is just a matter of time before the whole thing collapses.

Re:I believe it .... (1, Insightful)

east coast (590680) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964427)

Firefox specifically is proving that one doesn't need MS to do normal activity

Apples and oranges. The last time I looked I can run FF on a Windows box. Users switching from IE to FF means nothing in the long run. If I had to run an alternate OS to run FF I guess I wouldn't be seeing much of FF.

When no website "breaks" because one is using FF, they subtly say "wow". When they learn of new features (tabs) in IE and realize that those were available in FF long before MS got to them, they go "wow".

Actually, I know of a lot of people having problems with the new FF running content on MySpace. Or is that a stupid user error? If it is I'd love to be enlightened.

And as for having a feature first? Big whoop. Pontiac had airbags before any other auto manufacturer, IIRC. Does that make me give Pontiac a second look today? Hell no. Far from it.

The next big push should be OpenOffice. My kid comes in and shows me her "Powerpoint" (her words) and I know that I haven't put MS Office on her computer, then I point out that it isn't "PowerPoint" but a presentation. She realizes it isn't Microsoft Office and I now have someone who can tell her friends "I didn't use MS Office" (and she will too!).

Yeah, and it is great that she can use it to her own ends. This doesn't make it a superior product. Just like the number of users who pirate Photoshop when all they need is Gimp. So there certainly is a niche for it at this point but honesty, MS's gains with Office is still in the corporate market place and I haven't seen it budge yet.

When people realize they can surf the net (already there) and make "PowerPoints" and "Word Documents" and "Excel Spreadsheet", it will increase the options for discovering that one CAN get along quite nicely without Microsoft.

Aside from a small home MS Office market this doesn't mean much in the ways of market share. As long as these tools are on Windows boxes there's not much for MS to lose. Apple made some gains, Linux kind of did but there still isn't any real traction and the usage curve of OS X vs Linux since the release of OS X is a sure mark of how much Linux is still being toyed with by the mass populace.

I've long said that 2007-8 is going to be the beginning of the end for MS. The writing is on the walls, it is just a matter of time before the whole thing collapses.

It's happening again? Geez. To hear people talk this up around here MS nailed it's coffin lid shut with Windows 98SE. But we're still firmly planted in Microsoft's product today. I'm all for alternatives, and use many of them myself, but let's keep it in perspective. Even at the rate Apple is going it's going to be many years after Windows 7 finally hits the shelves before they get the kinds of numbers it's going to take to get a majority of software vendors to take notice. MS has a damn good chance at redeeming itself in the meantime. Look at how bad a blunder ME was. Today the Joe Sixpacks who had to deal with that train wreck of an OS just shrug it off as they turn back to their XP machines. Vista will be no different of a story in another couple of years and we will still be hearing the same thing around here from the same people.

And I'll be 100% honest, I really use to be big on the anti-MS band wagon until all the promises that were made to me as a user from all these different camps became mainly vaporware. I spent years of talking down MS and saying that great alternatives are going to throw down this giant any day. Tick tock, tick tock... Apple is the only ones who've ever delivered and I really really hate the idea of Apple would become if they had MS type of numbers in the desktop community. I'd definitely go Linux before I'd go Apple only because of politics.

The only people who are getting a thrill out of these kinds of stories are Apple users and those who are so blindly anti-MS that they can't see what the future will hold if Apple takes the brass ring. And believe me, Apple has a much better chance at doing what the Linux community thinks it will do. The numbers are proof.

and so it begins (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963927)

Goliath has just felt the stone impact his cranium.

The year of the linux desktop looms.

Re:and so it begins (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25964017)

yeah, we've heard this song before. if anything it appears that apple has done in the last three months what it's taken linux to do in the last 10 years. linux on the desktop is a pipe dream.

The Big news: Linux failed. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25963929)

Linux seems to have completely failed to capitalize on Vistas unpopularity, still having less than 1% market share.

Dumb statistics (2, Informative)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963963)

These type of stats always ignore the bulk of Linux devices. There are more than 300 million Linux devices sold every year. The total number of Linux devices outnumbers everything else by a wide margin.

However, it is nice to know that Microsoft still supplies 100% of all Windows systems...

So, What's the *Actual* WinVista ONLY use? (3, Insightful)

Zymergy (803632) | more than 5 years ago | (#25963993)

Not "Windows" Market Share, but specifically Vista Market share only, after all, it's their shiny new thing being forced down all of out throats.
(Yes, I mean to Exclude counting any WinVista Downgrade licenses in the %, and show the *Actual* market share % use of WinVista in PCs since the WinVista release to date.)
Those stats might be more interesting and possibly more insightful to MS losing market share to other PC OS options.
Grouping *EVERYTHING* marketed as "Windows" into one pool is not statistically transparent.
I argue that many would NOT consider WinME, Win2k, WinXP, WinVista, or even Windows Mobile to be the the same category, etc...

Let's all play Monopoly (1, Troll)

tuituiman (1385719) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964077)

Microsoft is steadily loosing ground... Okay, that's cool. It'd be nice to put them off their high horses. However, Microsoft has made a lot of mistakes in recent years (Vista being a huge one!) The thing about Microsoft is they have the money to do just about anything they want... So... Windows 7 is already shaping up to be a goody (I've already tried the Pre-beta m3, and although they're still using the Vista bones in the early versions, it's already gettin there)... And all other mistakes... Well a few ad campaigns to the basic end user etc etc... And they'll reconvert, or keep them. (By normal end user I mean the one's that have no clue when it comes to computers except to check e-mail etc etc.) And they'll remain Cemented on top. Even if Apple and Linux gain more followers, In all honesty I can't see Microsoft dropping off the top perch. Especially when the majority of Big business infrastructure is all Microsoft Server etc... (That's a huge market right there). So, good on Apple and Linux, but lets not kid ourselves people.

Re:Let's all play Monopoly (2, Insightful)

jcr (53032) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964571)

The thing about Microsoft is they have the money to do just about anything they want...

Funding isn't their problem. What's hurting Microsoft is pervasive management incompetence. This is the kind of thing that can happen when the money comes in too easily for too long.

-jcr

I don't believe anything I read (1)

GMonkeyLouie (1372035) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964105)

I suspect a large amount of XP users are not upgrading to Vista, so I doubt that these statistics really represent market share.

Design is everything (2, Interesting)

davecrusoe (861547) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964137)

Of course this makes great sense. Design and efficiency in computing are the next big thing, and MSFT seems to do lots of research but no integration.

On the other hand, Apple and others have created very nice, simple and streamlined applications that seem to be driven less by research than by practical testing and design.

Which means that, in the future, Apple and others will continue to gain ground... unless... the new windows... nah...

Not quite. (4, Insightful)

igotmybfg (525391) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964153)

The story is about online market share, not market share period - they came up with these results by tracking certain websites to see the proportions of the operating systems of their visitors. As the article explains, they think Windows share dropped because there is a higher concentration of Windows PCs at work than at home, and over Thanksgiving, many people weren't at work. Notably, this study doesn't say anything about the total market share of Windows or any other operating system, as seems to be implied in the headline and most of the summary.

Bad news because... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25964189)

Competition is good and I'm all for more competition in the OS market; but Apple policies are awful and, in my opinion, the worse in the IT world. You have only one hardware manufacturer, central control for applications distribution (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/26/google_itunes// [theregister.co.uk] ) and, in general, a restrictive environment that no geek should find interesting... We are here to break, hack and have fun, and Apple seems to think that's unacceptable.

If you complain about DRM stuff in Windows for compliance with HD standards and playing specific web content wait until Apple DRM that won't allow you to run their software on the hardware you want hits you in the face.

Disclaimer: This is the way I see things and is completely a personal opinion.

why... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25964339)

why won't you people just leave Microsoft alone!!! *cries*

Creepy.. (1)

Aphoxema (1088507) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964407)

642 days ago I was talking with my friends about the news I was reading about Microsoft at the time and I said that in 2 years Microsoft would no longer be the leader in operating systems and possibly no longer in business. 88 days left and I'll find out if I really was just screwing around.

hmmm (1)

thatskinnyguy (1129515) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964409)

Are they only counting OEMs or something? I think perhaps those numbers are a bit misleading. Statistics of this sort are rarely accurate.

The most important paragraph (4, Insightful)

mlwmohawk (801821) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964421)

"Windows' share typically falls on weekends and after work hours, as users surf from home computers, a larger percentage of which run Mac OS X than do work machines."

So, what they are saying is that people would rather use something else, and do so at home. In effect, people don't want windoze but are forced to use it at work.

Windows sucks and there's your proof.

Re:The most important paragraph (1)

Timothy Brownawell (627747) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964669)

Windows sucks and there's your proof.

Only from a certain point of view.

Many corporate IT departments apparently have a different point of view, which I've heard is based on things related to Active Directory.

I'm not surpised (2, Interesting)

kcredden (1007529) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964585)

I kind of figured this would start around the time I read about Vista's specs. DRM, bloated beyond anything. Then the more Vista was turned out, the more I can see this happening. Then when netbooks came out, and people was snapping them up like candy, and knew they couldn't possibly run Vista, I could see the other nail. Now that the economy may slip into a depression, well - now how many of us can afford their overpriced licenses, buying new systems every 2 years or so, and not to mention being locked into a 1 OS p/computer that MS does? I've just started using Kunbuntu 8.04.1, and frankly I'm on my way to tossing Win2k for good. Except for a few minor programs that has to be jerks in installing, I've installed about 80% of the programs I use, dual monitor capiblity works like a charm, and best of all. I can use *all* of my harddrives. So tell me why I need XP? Or Vista? Why should I put up with MS's bull about buying a whole new OS everytime I add or change somehting in my computer? I think a lot of people are seeing the same thing, when all we do mostly is work, (except for gamers.) It may come to the point, that Windows will be ONLY a gaming platform - much like a PS3, or so. Lets just hope that like what happened to IE after FF started to bite, they get off their lazy rumps and really do something *good* with Windows, instead of just bloating it up with useless junk. Yeah, and horses will fly too :) - Kc

Related to the economy? (1)

DJRumpy (1345787) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964623)

I have to wonder how much of this is related to the economy. Granted, Vista isn't exactly the greatest thing to come out of MS in the last few years, but I have to wonder if their exhorbant pricing scheme for Vista and the current economy is also a factor in poor sales and people moving to other platforms. Granted, a Mac will cost you more for the hardware, but the OS is pretty darned cheap and gives you license to put it on multiple pieces of hardware. Linux is free. Are the times hard enough where MS is driving away their customers on multiple fronts?

How do these people get their stats? (3, Interesting)

jeevesbond (1066726) | more than 5 years ago | (#25964677)

I just don't trust these stats (and that's not because they don't say what I want them to), from the Net Applications [hitslink.com] site:

We use a unique methodology for collecting this data. We collect data from the browsers of site visitors to our exclusive on-demand network of live stats customers. The data is compiled from approximately 160 million visitors per month.

So it's all customers from some analytics service these guys own. But what type of sites use their service? It's hard to believe these figures do not have a built-in bias due to the types of sites providing them.

By far the most popular analytics service is Google Analytics.* If Google were to produce figures like these, I'd be more inclined to believe them, as their analytics software is used on a decent cross-section of sites, including technical ones like Slashdot.

My own data -- with bias due to having a technical audience -- across two sites, says roughly: Windows 75%; Mac 9%; Linux 13% (with 3% AWStats reports as 'Unknown', and other sundry OSs like BSD, OS/2, AmigaOS, BeOS etc.) None of my sites use Net Applications' software, and get around 125,000 visitors a month.

* Sorry I haven't a citation for this, but just look at the source code of almost any site and you'll see a Javascript block from Google Analytics. Also, see this unscientific evidence [google.com] .

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