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HTC Touch Dream (-1, Redundant)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#25990863)

Wasn't the HTC Touch Dream supposed to be an Android phone? Wasn't it supposed to launch in November? The HTC Touch Pro is pretty nice, and I'd love a good Android touch phone with haptic feedback and a slide-out QWERTY keyboard. Anyone know what happened to it?

Re:HTC Touch Dream (4, Informative)

VagaStorm (691999) | more than 5 years ago | (#25990935)

The HTC dream is currently only sold as TMobile G1 in the us, where as this one is sold world wide, at a decent price to :)

Re:HTC Touch Dream (4, Interesting)

Andy_R (114137) | more than 5 years ago | (#25991103)

The T-Mobile G1 is not just US only, it's also on sale under the same name here in the United Kingdom.

Re:HTC Touch Dream (2)

VagaStorm (691999) | more than 5 years ago | (#25991267)

Oh yes, I forgot. It should be on sale now or soon in other TMobile markeds. No word yet as to when the dream version wil be available in the rest of the world :(

Re:HTC Touch Dream (3)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#25991269)

I wasn't aware the G1 was the Dream. Okay, I am firmly an idiot. Thanks. Do you know if any other carriers might possibly pick up the Dream?

STUPID MODS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25991647)

rating this offtopic is an abusive mod and moreover a waste of points.

--

not the OP

Re:HTC Touch Dream (5, Interesting)

digitalunity (19107) | more than 5 years ago | (#25991709)

The phone you speak of is sold in the US under contract or at ridiculous retail prices without contract. This phone is unique as it's one of the few phones with excellent functionality that can be purchased at a reasonable cost without a contract.

Most consumers actually like getting their phones at very low subsidized cost through their wireless carrier but I'm a firm believer this has an astoundingly negative impact on competition. The wireless carriers dictate to the device manufacturers which features are allowed.

Separating phone functionality from the control of the carriers will TREMENDOUSLY improve competition and have a very beneficial impact on end users. I'm a little surprised the FTC hasn't stepped in already on behalf of consumers. Wireless plans in the US have gone up dramatically in cost over the last 15 years. The phone companies like to quote cost:minute rates because it makes them look cheaper. The fact is, the cost of text messaging has gone UP and data transfer rates are still prohibitive for most end users to really use the full capacity of their phones.

Re:HTC Touch Dream (2, Insightful)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#25992115)

I agree that data plans are pretty ridiculous, but I think we will move away from the "per text message charge" era and people will embrace the unlimited plans. When everyone is offering a true unlimited plan for $99, then choosing networks is actually a matter of networks or unique features. I think it will force carriers to improve their networks and offer better speeds, or start lowering the price of their unlimited plan.

Re:HTC Touch Dream (5, Insightful)

bberens (965711) | more than 5 years ago | (#25992729)

I see the problem a little differently. Right now EVERY SINGLE rate plan is priced so that the carrier can subsidize the price of the phone. If I go to a carrier they will give me a free phone or at the very least dramatically reduce the price of the phone if I sign a contract for 2 years. In my imaginary example let's say I get a contract + phone for $50/mo for 2 years. Now if I go to that same carrier and say I ALREADY have a phone I would like to use, what is the cost of service? They will respond: Well, we have this $50/mo plan for you. In the current market I'm paying for the 'subsidized' phone whether I get the phone or not, which is ridiculous. The only way to NOT have to do this is to get a pay as you go plan, which is annoying because I don't want to have to keep buying cards/minutes. I just want to pay $40/mo for the same plan I could get for $50/mo + phone. Until the phone is no longer subsidized by the rate plans, I don't think we'll every be free of this ridiculous system.

Re:HTC Touch Dream (1)

xda (1171531) | more than 5 years ago | (#25993255)

MetroPCS, Cricket... If you don't mind the limited coverage area. They make you buy the flimsy phones at full price, but their rates are very low. Best thing is NO CONTRACT! I hope that these types of providers will grow quickly and make AT&T/Verizon change their practices.

Re:HTC Touch Dream (2, Interesting)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 5 years ago | (#25993269)

Out of curiosity, what's the difference between paying $40 to the phone company every month for your normal plan, or paying for more minutes every month? I fail to see how it's any different.

One thing remains in the way (2, Insightful)

StarKruzr (74642) | more than 5 years ago | (#25992825)

Software locks in the form of chroot jails and forbidding root on your own device, such as those that Android phones and the iPhone line have.

If this obstruction is removed, my (jailbroken) iPhone will be on eBay faster than you can say "screw you, Steve Jobs."

Re:HTC Touch Dream (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25993219)

The wireless carriers dictate to the device manufacturers which features are allowed.
Slightly off-topic, but I recently considered the fact that for some reason, there is no rush to deliver helpful services on the PSTN handset. Why can't my home phone do call screening if I have caller ID? This seems like an inexpensive feature to implement that would have give a good competitive advantage.

When will it become *our* phones? (5, Interesting)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 5 years ago | (#25990951)

For all the hype that Android was to be an open platform, there's no sign yet of a phone that is completely hackable by the end user. The docs are out there, such as The Busy Coder's Guide to Android Development [amazon.com] , so we could see a utopia of community-driven apps, but it seems like Google is uninterested in the end user's extendibility of the platform, which was supposedly it's raison d'etre.

Re:When will it become *our* phones? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25991015)

...so we could see a utopia of community-driven apps, but it seems like Google is uninterested in the end user's extendibility of the platform, which was supposedly it's raison d'etre.

How is it Google's fault that developers aren't embracing the platform? It seems like that's the developers doing.

Re:When will it become *our* phones? (5, Interesting)

Eli Gottlieb (917758) | more than 5 years ago | (#25991027)

If you want something completely open, you can run Trolltech's Qtopia on the latest Openmoko hardware.

Re:When will it become *our* phones? (3, Insightful)

Microlith (54737) | more than 5 years ago | (#25991495)

If the openmoko hardware was worth a damn, then maybe.

It's OK if you don't care for fast data, or being able to reliably make phone calls.

Re:When will it become *our* phones? (1)

Eli Gottlieb (917758) | more than 5 years ago | (#25991507)

I thought the inability to make phone calls was a software issue.

Re:When will it become *our* phones? (3, Insightful)

Nursie (632944) | more than 5 years ago | (#25991915)

It is.

Unfortunately the software stack written by the openmoko guys is (and it pains me to say this) in a total shambles, and until very recently the developers basically refused to do anything about it, preferring to "look to the future" and make shiny bells and whistles. I'm watching the android software on OM very carefully because it seems to me that when the porting is finished (and it's got a decent way there, it runs and makes calls) it'll turn the OM into a decent phone.

Yes, there are problems - no camera, no 3G - but it's interesting from a linux-geek perspective at the moment.

Re:When will it become *our* phones? (1)

Eli Gottlieb (917758) | more than 5 years ago | (#25992391)

Right, that's what I thought. I figured it was OK if you ran Qtopia instead of the OpenMoko distribution, but the GGP claims that the OpenMoko hardware makes it unreliable at making phone calls.

Re:When will it become *our* phones? (2, Informative)

Nursie (632944) | more than 5 years ago | (#25992469)

Nah, it's just poor software as far as I can tell. The infuriating thing about the 2008.X stack (for me) was that the UI was unresponsive so that when you hit "pick up" it would take a while to register the button press. In the mean time I don't know if it's registered it or not so I hit it again. But then the hang up button appears in the same place and it's stored up the mouse click to apply to that...

Could have killed that damn phone right then.

Re:When will it become *our* phones? (1)

chill (34294) | more than 5 years ago | (#25993989)

Oh, man. That one continually shoots my blood pressure thru the roof. It does the same thing on QTopia.

Re:When will it become *our* phones? (2, Informative)

Goaway (82658) | more than 5 years ago | (#25991927)

And you're not allowed to complain about it if you aren't going to fix it by yourself!

Re:When will it become *our* phones? (1)

geeklawyer (85727) | more than 5 years ago | (#25992607)

And you're not allowed to complain about it if you aren't going to fix it by yourself!

I guess you're new to Open Source ;)

Re:When will it become *our* phones? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25991959)

Or be able to touch the touchscreen!

Re:When will it become *our* phones? (1)

xaositects (786749) | more than 5 years ago | (#25992043)

If you want something completely open, you can run Trolltech's Qtopia on the latest Openmoko hardware.

when they finally find their direction maybe.
oh, and offer a keyboard that can be used without the head of a straight pin as a stylus.

3G would be useful as well.

Qtopia is getting there but still has a long way to go for running a phone of everyday use.

what it is good for is having a little linux-based computer to carry around performing network intrusion tests and the like. As a phone, though, no thanks.

Re:When will it become *our* phones? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25991063)

The problem is that Android is "tivoizable" and this was actually done on the HTC+TMobile product, making it no more interesting than the iPhone. Until we get a phone that doesn't use any code signing, nobody is going to be very interested in the product, because it's merely an iPhone competitor (and the iPhone has Apple's sexy marketing behind it, so you might as well just develop for that and make more money).

If this doesn't use any code signing, then this might be the beginning of Android getting serious. If it does use code signing, then Android's time just isn't here yet.

The software just doesn't matter until we have the hardware and (and non-hostile firmware!) for it to run on top of.

Re:When will it become *our* phones? (-1, Troll)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#25991151)

Apple's marketing is sexy? Really?
Fucking nerds.

Re:When will it become *our* phones? (1)

argent (18001) | more than 5 years ago | (#25991699)

It's sold without contract to any network. They have no incentive to restrict it.

I hope to God you're right. (1)

StarKruzr (74642) | more than 5 years ago | (#25993423)

I don't see how they can do it, honestly. How do you sell a device like this with no contract subsidy for $900?

Re:When will it become *our* phones? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25992281)

the iphone is a superior device but I'll get an android phone because I want to tinker with it, I already know java and I don't feel like paying for an apple SDK or selling apps.

Re:When will it become *our* phones? (5, Interesting)

Nursie (632944) | more than 5 years ago | (#25991163)

I have an openmoko freerunner running android, so IMHO that's the second android phone, though it's not on sale with android preinstalled yet, and not everything is working.

New image today - check out the Openmoko community discussion forum/mail list.

Re:When will it become *our* phones? (5, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 5 years ago | (#25991187)

it seems like Google is uninterested in the end user's extendibility of the platform, which was supposedly it's raison d'etre.

One would hope this isn't the selling point of the phone, but rather that it is a flexible phone that meets the users' needs. The fact that it's hackable and "community-driven" is a means, not an end.

Re:When will it become *our* phones? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25993597)

For some people, it IS the end.

Re:When will it become *our* phones? (4, Insightful)

Eric Smith (4379) | more than 5 years ago | (#25991465)

If Google was uninterested in the end-user's extensibility of Android, they wouldn't have made the SDK publicly available at no charge.

I suspect the reason the G1 won't allow installation of non-signed firmware is due to carrier (T-Mobile) requirements, not because Google doesn't want you to be able to hack it.

Re:When will it become *our* phones? (3, Insightful)

recharged95 (782975) | more than 5 years ago | (#25991711)

If it does come out, Koolu [koolu.com] is the answer to your question. Unfortunately it's a bit immature though they promised a working version last month (didn't happen). It shows promise. I thought it was a pipe dream as they are late on delivery, BUT you can download the source here [koolu.org] , which shows commitment at least.

.

I'm running the openmoko Android version from Sean McNeil (check out openmoko's wiki) in dual boot mode, along with Qtopia and it shows promise too, though I think koolu's team of devs will likely reach a optimized distro quicker. Comparing both the G1 and Freerunner, Android runs faster on the G1 (of course), where as the Freerunner has the ArmV4 compatibility issue (DOH!) and the lack of keyboard (all OM touchscreen keyboards fail at this current time).

Re:When will it become *our* phones? (2, Informative)

Nursie (632944) | more than 5 years ago | (#25991951)

Have you tried todays image from Sean and the latest (oversize) kernel?

You'll need to mess around with uboot to get the large kernel going, but after that it has an onscreen keyboard and you can answer calls with it.

Far from perfect, but making progress. I do want to see what Koolu have done too.

Re:When will it become *our* phones? (1)

Timmmm (636430) | more than 5 years ago | (#25992189)

But Android doesn't have an on-screen keyboard, and the Neo Freerunner doesn't have a physical keyboard (and the screen doesn't really look big enough for an on screen one anyway). So how do you type?

Re:When will it become *our* phones? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25992967)

But Android doesn't have an on-screen keyboard [yet]

FTFY. I believe part of the porting process to the openmoko hardware was dedicated to implementing an onscreen keyboard. Can anyone confirm this?

Re:When will it become *our* phones? (0, Troll)

maxume (22995) | more than 5 years ago | (#25991779)

Have your mom save a couple of tin cans, and then get her to buy you some string.

Re:When will it become *our* phones? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25991873)

comments like this will get you killed around here ... the Androids will kill off the iPhone and other "closed" platforms because it's open. that is why linux has taken over the desktop.

oops... nevermind...

Re:When will it become *our* phones? (2, Insightful)

Kazin (3499) | more than 5 years ago | (#25992781)

You, like most other people, seem to think that Google has some sort of say in wether the phones are hackable or not. Google published (and open-sourced) the OS and SDK. What manufacturers do with their phones is their business.

And like someone else said, if you want a fully hackable phone, go get an OpenMoko. Nobody promised you that Android would be this.

Re:When will it become *our* phones? (4, Insightful)

unixfan (571579) | more than 5 years ago | (#25992859)

What about supporting open media formats like OGG and FLAC?!! The owner talks bout being a long time OSS supporter, but ignores these vital formats! Weak!

Re:When will it become *our* phones? (2, Interesting)

supernova_hq (1014429) | more than 5 years ago | (#25993745)

Have you looked at the Nokia N-Series (N700/N800)? Most of their phones run linux out of the box, with root access only a "apt-get install chroot" away.

I have the N810 (ok, not actually a phone, but same line) and it runs maemo (debian derivative) by default. I have full root access, can SSH into it remotely, do rDesktop, add custom repositories, install deb files, etc. Basically it's a linux computer that fits in your pocket!

Oh my, should one CLONE an android? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25991067)

God's law has been shat on now

OMG (2, Funny)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#25991089)

The first gPhone was good, but not great.
Android's had some growing pains, but now we've finally got a real iPhone killer on our hands.

(Yes, they call every Android-based phone a "gPhone".)

meh... (1)

Farmer Pete (1350093) | more than 5 years ago | (#25991101)

I'm personally a little more interested in a phone that truly is open, not just one that is claimed to be open. The unlocked aspect of this model is nice, but I have a feeling that is more of an Australian thing, and less of an Android thing.

Re:meh... (2, Interesting)

Eric Smith (4379) | more than 5 years ago | (#25991421)

Until it ships, we won't know how open it is. Even ignoring the carrier lock, the G1 won't install non-signed firmware, so it's less open than many of us would like. Since the Kogan phone isn't carrier-locked, maybe it will allow non-signed firmware as well.

Warning - design is not final yet (5, Informative)

ribuck (943217) | more than 5 years ago | (#25991177)

From Kogan's website: [kogan.com.au]

The design of the Kogan Agora and Kogan Agora Pro, when dispatched, will be materially similar to the images set out on this website. Despite this, Kogan Technologies reserves the right to make non-material modifications to the design of the phones in its sole discretion.

Also, I won't be surprised if the shipping date slips.

No product design is ever finished (1)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 5 years ago | (#25992519)

You clearly have not been a part of many hardware development exercises.

Thinking that product follows a design it then ship it model is as broken as thinking the same for software.

It is very common for hardware designs to be modified during their lifetime. Frequently the first shipped product will have some hand modified parts to the circuit which will get fixed in a subsequent design. Frequently designs get modified to use cheaper components etc.

Re:Warning - design is not final yet (1)

kiehlster (844523) | more than 5 years ago | (#25993825)

Also, I won't be surprised if the shipping date slips.

But it would have been so cool if this phone was released on my birthday. I guess I won't buy one after all. It's too expensive for a non-birthday splurge.

Why is it not OPEN open ? (5, Interesting)

rixster_uk (1216414) | more than 5 years ago | (#25991195)

Follow the money - manufacturer makes the phone, sells it for x to the network. If and only if network sees a potential to earn at least x/2 from services (internet / sms /mms etc etc ) will it then allow you to buy the phone for x/2...
If the OS was fully open, then there would be no incentive for the network to buy the phone and subsidize the price - i.e. if you want a truly open phone - you'll get it but at a price.
Shameless plug: I've got both the iphone sdk and the android sdk - I find the google sdk 20x easier to get stuff done and the marketplace puts your apps up *instantly* (upgrades and all). However, the marketplace is suffering from kids abusing the comment capability but when that's nailed (and of course the ability to actually charge for apps) I think we will see very high quality apps coming out for the google phone. Or at least I hope so - I'm writing a game in progress which I hope to earn a bit of cash. (Even more shameless plug : http://www.barcodebeasties.com/ [barcodebeasties.com] )

I just want an android device, not a smartphone (4, Interesting)

caseih (160668) | more than 5 years ago | (#25991203)

I don't really need or want an iPhone or an Android phone. What I want is a nice, compact, multi-touch platform like the iPod Touch that runs android. Android has the potential to power a real iPod killer that's a nice platform for all kinds of apps.

Initially I was very excited about the iPod Touch and bought one. But Apple's desire to completely and utterly control what I do with my own device has really turned me off of it. If I could have a similar device that was open to installation of apps and development without deferring to the whims of Google or any other manufacturer, I'd gladly shell out another $300 for an android device sans phone. Seems like manufactures aren't even bothering to compete with Apple in general (maybe android isn't good enough to compete with the iPhone and iPod touch), but rather are aiming for the already existing market of mediocre products such as blackberry, palm, and windows smartphones. Kind of sad, really. In this market things like video and audio playback seem almost like afterthoughts, which poorly designed apps to do this and little to no support for integrating with PC-based software, such as would be similar to iTunes. Sure you can dump songs on a little chip, but how well does the playback system work? is it fully integrated like it is on the iPhone and obviously the iPod Touch? How well can it integrate with Amarok or Songbird? Seems like there are a lot of opportunities here. Of course maybe they feel the mp3 player market is so saturated that it doesn't matter. After all business users care mainly about their e-mail. I get the impression I will never be in the target market for any of these companies.

Re:I just want an android device, not a smartphone (3, Interesting)

Nursie (632944) | more than 5 years ago | (#25991331)

"I'd gladly shell out another $300 for an android device sans phone."

Android can successfully be run on the Nokia N810, An internet tablet with WiFi (and there's a WiMAX version too).

Maybe a little more than $300, but as a foreigner I don't know how to access google US to do a shopping search.

Re:I just want an android device, not a smartphone (5, Interesting)

EvilNTUser (573674) | more than 5 years ago | (#25992871)

The N810 already runs Linux with a Nokia UI. There's no reason to install Android.

In addition, Nokia has been shipping phones that let you install anything you want for years, and their phone OS will become open source as of next year. They even provide native Python interpreters.

The main reason Nokia is so unpopular in the US is that they refused to cripple their phones as much as the carriers wanted. Unfortunately even nerds in America are apparently too dependent on force fed advertising.

Re:I just want an android device, not a smartphone (2, Insightful)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 5 years ago | (#25991761)

Android has the potential to power a real iPod killer...

I've read that, in regards to other products, about 100 times before. Eventually it'll be true...

Re:I just want an android device, not a smartphone (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25992245)

I think you would be surprised by the flexibility and well-designed-ness of the G1. Although it doesn't support multitouch, the platform is generally well designed. Media support runs well (I would say as well as the iPhone), and although there's no amarok/songbird integration, banshee's latest version will support full android integration. Don't get too down on the platform yet, good stuff is coming...

Re:I just want an android device, not a smartphone (2, Informative)

michaelfellis (654912) | more than 5 years ago | (#25992317)

If you're willing to pay an additional $300 for a phone you can install your own applications on, you could put $201 of that money back in your pocket and spend just $99 to become a registered iPhone developer. Once you've done that, you'll have a developer certificate that permits you to create and install as many applications as you want on your device.

If your applications work well, you could then either give them away via the App Store or, if you choose, you might even get compensated for your effort. In the latter case, you could very likely recover at least the $99 you invested.

Seems to me like the Touch was a good choice after all.

Re:I just want an android device, not a smartphone (4, Insightful)

caseih (160668) | more than 5 years ago | (#25992643)

I'm afraid you've dramatically missed the point. I'm not interested in selling my soul to Apple for this privilege. Initially I only made the purchase (and arguably it was foolish) because I knew I could jailbreak the device and do what I wanted with it. However, Apple chose to go to war against those who would use the device in ways Apple didn't want (oh the irony of living in a free country) and they have decided it's illegal for me to use my iPod to sync against Amarok if I ever upgrade to 2.x (which they practically force on me every time I plug it into a computer with iTunes on it).

I want a platform that I'm free to do anything I want with, since I own it. I want to be able to write new software, access the shell, sync against amarok, etc. I don't want to pay apple $100 for the privilege of accessing a device I already own and should have access too. That's just silly and a bit ludicrous if you think about it. Cue the bad car analogies... Sure we'll sell you a car. But if you want access to the trunk you have to pay us for a trunk license and then we reserve the right to take away the key at any time if we see fit.

As for being compensated for my work, Apple's policies don't even allow GPL'd software at all, so I couldn't even offer my work to others to begin with.

In hindsight, the iPod was a stupid buy. It doesn't work well with just about anything. I can't easily attach peripherals to it, except what Apple sanctions. However at the time it was the best device (when jailbroken) on the planet. I'm hoping that a device with Android will reach that point soon.

Re:I just want an android device, not a smartphone (2, Funny)

HardCase (14757) | more than 5 years ago | (#25993061)

oh the irony of living in a free country

"And the award for worst misuse of the term 'free country' in a /. thread goes to..."

Re:I just want an android device, not a smartphone (3, Insightful)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 5 years ago | (#25993605)

Apple's policies don't even allow GPL'd software at all, so I couldn't even offer my work to others to begin with.

The GPL isn't a prerequisite for offering your work to others.

Re:I just want an android device, not a smartphone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25992845)

Nokia n810 running Linux Maemo is probably the closest you'll come to what you're looking for.

Link to the manufacturer (2, Informative)

quarterbuck (1268694) | more than 5 years ago | (#25991315)

They are selling them at $299 on their website [kogan.com.au]
$399 with Camera and GPS .
I hope the prices are in Australian dollars, that would make it a pretty good buy
And the website has this comment "PRE-ORDER NOW TO AVOID DISAPPOINTMENT - DEMAND WILL EXCEED SUPPLY!"
I wonder how they know for certain that demand WILL exceed supply ?

Re:Link to the manufacturer (3, Informative)

ianare (1132971) | more than 5 years ago | (#25993055)

The Agora will cost AU$299, and the Agora Pro will be AU$399.

$299 AUD ~= $195 USD
$399 AUD ~= $260 USD

Re:Link to the manufacturer (1)

knavel (1155875) | more than 5 years ago | (#25993121)

According to their checkout process, it IS in Australian currency. So it comes out to just under $300 USD, including international shipping.

Dammit, now I want one. I wonder if the battery life is any better than the G1?

Which cell providers will support it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25991347)

Does anyone know which cell phone companies in the U.S. will support this phone?

Re:Which cell providers will support it? (1)

ianare (1132971) | more than 5 years ago | (#25993071)

it's unlocked, so any service that accepts :
GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz), 3G
should work.

Display resoultion (2, Interesting)

Eric Smith (4379) | more than 5 years ago | (#25991393)

Is half that of the G1. Not bad for the price, but if I had to choose between the two I'd pick the G1. Since I'm a developer, I'll buy one anyhow, to ensure that my apps work well on it.

Different hardware spec to the G1 (4, Insightful)

Andy_R (114137) | more than 5 years ago | (#25991431)

The first thing that strikes me about this phone is that the spec is noticeably different from the other shipping Android phone, the screen is 320x240 not 480x320, and the camera is 2 megapixel not 3.2.

It will be very interesting to see how well the software on the AppStore^H^H^H^H Android MarketTM works on different hardware, and how many developers will be willing and/or able to patch their software to work on it.

Re:Different hardware spec to the G1 (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 5 years ago | (#25991651)

Probably about as well as the overall marketplace for Windows Mobile apps and other smartphones is, IE it's terribly fragmented and support for some things is incredibly spotty. You may find interesting apps that don't support your resolution, or don't rotate properly.

Each permutation of the hardware that is added requires more testing to ensure it works. The fact that JAVA is being used hasn't helped much in the cell phone world. In contrast, Apple's console-like iPhone and iPod Touch have attracted developers far more quickly than any other non-console mobile platform.

I guess that's the tradeoff for openness, you're guaranteed fragmentation.

Re:Different hardware spec to the G1 (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25991985)

If the 2 megapixel camera has better glass it will decimate the 3.2 megapixel with a crap lens.

Megapixels mean nothing in picture quality. never shop by megapixels.

Re:Different hardware spec to the G1 (2, Interesting)

immcintosh (1089551) | more than 5 years ago | (#25992321)

Android applications, if properly made, are pretty screen-agnostic. The UI layout code is designed to heavily emphasize relative placement rather than absolute. Hell, even on the G1 you need a little leeway because of the way everything changes size when you flip the screen orientation.

Overall, only the very laziest developers should have to do any significant patching, if any at all.

Re:Different hardware spec to the G1 (1)

joshv (13017) | more than 5 years ago | (#25993399)

That's all well and good until I have to fit a certain amount of data on the screen. If I've designed for a larger screen, it's simply not going to fit, however flexible the layout.

Now I could design for the lowest possible screen resolution, but that will limit functionality or force me to produce a UI that's artificially small on larger screens.

Even the studious developers will have a lot of work to do making their apps work properly at lower resolutions.

Re:Different hardware spec to the G1 (3, Informative)

joshv (13017) | more than 5 years ago | (#25993283)

It is sometimes *really* hard to make apps that work at all resolutions when you don't have much screen real estate. One of my apps will break horribly on this new screen layout, and I am not sure how to fix it. The other should work ok, but it won't be as usable, and will limit the amount of functionality. Detecting all this will be an utter nightmare.

My guess is that many of the android market apps will not work properly on this new phone.

This is what I like about the iPhone - there is *one* resolution and two orientations - that's it.

Actually, this is the third Android phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25991653)

zzzPhone is supposedly already shipping their fully customized phone running Android, and the price is considerably lower. Plus you can add darn near any feature you might want. If they actually deliver, they'll be the ones to beat.

Re:Actually, this is the third Android phone (2, Insightful)

Inzite (472846) | more than 5 years ago | (#25992065)

Have you actually seen a zzzPhone? Even a video of a zzzPhone?

All I've seen are Photoshopped images, and very poor ones at that (far worse than the Agora images).

Until someone gets a zzzPhone in their hands, it's vaporware.

Re:Actually, this is the third Android phone (1)

Em Ellel (523581) | more than 5 years ago | (#25992223)

Never heard of these guys before, but looking at their site [zzzphone.com] , somehow I doubt it will ever see the light of day. Looks like vaporware scam at its finest. That said, I'm willing to be surprised. (Not sending them a dime though.)

-Em

Re:Actually, this is the third Android phone (1)

PenguinX (18932) | more than 5 years ago | (#25993089)

I looked at the zzzphone site, and was inclined to agree with you but there are reviews of the product on Youtube and other sites:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-qnewSjATw [youtube.com]

Apparently the old saying is true, "can't tell a whether or not a smartphone is a scam by its webpage".

-b

no 3G (0)

slashdotmsiriv (922939) | more than 5 years ago | (#25991823)

so, I'll pass

Re: yes 3G (3, Funny)

Em Ellel (523581) | more than 5 years ago | (#25992037)

For you and other reading-challenged - from the very beginning of the article:

Both models include HSDPA 3G, Bluetooth 2.0+ EDR, QWERTY keyboard, 2.5â touchscreen and a microSD slot. The Pro adds WiFi, GPS and a 2.0 megapixel camera to the base model's specs.

The Kogan! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25991897)

The Kogan?

There can be only one!!

Dollars? (2, Funny)

19061969 (939279) | more than 5 years ago | (#25992133)

Is this USD or AUD? The page seems to be a US page (and anyway, USD is the most commonly quoted currency) but it discusses a phone being released in Oz so I'm not sure.

iPhone User Tries One Out (3, Informative)

immcintosh (1089551) | more than 5 years ago | (#25992647)

Having had the iPhone since early first generation, I recently decided to try out the G1, and I have been very pleasantly surprised. Feature-wise it's pretty much on par with the iPhone, but I've found the UI to (surprisingly enough) be more user-friendly and substantially more responsive (opening the contact list on the iPhone takes forever, for example). The web browser is a lot easier to use anywhere you need to deal with forms, too.

After the major issues I've had with the iPhone (dropped calls, completely missed calls that never ever register on the phone, random total system crashes, etc...), I would honestly recommend Android over it for anybody who doesn't have an obsessive Apple fetish. So far it just seems to work more smoothly and reliably. It being much more open is icing on the cake, and conveys some very obvious advantages, like how developers are encouraged to make drop-in replacements for its built-in components (like a new email program), whereas Apple apparently forbids the same practice on the iPhone.

Overall, I'm definitely gonna be sticking with my Android phone, but thankfully first gen iPhones still resell for a decent price :) It's good to see more models coming out--hopefully it'll really start catching on.

Suprise? (2, Insightful)

Slash.Poop (1088395) | more than 5 years ago | (#25992905)

It looks like a surprisingly nice form factor

Why is it surpiseing? Is Apple the only company that makes pretty products?

Re:Suprise? (1)

Yosho (135835) | more than 5 years ago | (#25993855)

Why is it surpiseing? Is Apple the only company that makes pretty products?

No, it's surprising because most cell phone designs are crappy.

At least, I presume that's why the submitter thinks it's surprisingly nice. I took a look at it and it looks more or less like every other crappy phone design to me. But, to be honest, I hate phones that have half of their face taken up by a tiny keyboard.

Ask Slashdot (1)

End Program (963207) | more than 5 years ago | (#25993243)

I have not done the research, but can I assume Google will be tracking my every move on any phone that has the Android OS?

Another week... (1)

hort_wort (1401963) | more than 5 years ago | (#25993655)

another android phone headline. Seriously, are they sponsoring this website? Why can't we hear about androids like Gigilo Jane? You know, she recently got #34 in "Top 50 Hottest Sci-fi Girls" by UGO.
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