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"Muddy the crispness"? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26001745)

What, is this an audiophile forum now? I can only assume the lines fluff up the felty softness too.

Re:"Muddy the crispness"? (5, Funny)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#26001859)

The problem is that these users are not conditioning their laptop displays before use. It's well known you need to play a very diverse video before any actual use so that the screen is "exercised" and ready for use. they get stiff after sitting off for a while.

Also using directional USB cables as well as cleaning the keyboard with a gold based cleaning solution will help enhance the crispness of the display.

Re:"Muddy the crispness"? (5, Funny)

LMacG (118321) | more than 5 years ago | (#26001917)

Also, marking around the edge of the display with a green felt-tip pen will keep all the pixels in proper alignment.

FRIST PSOT (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26002001)

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INFORMATIVE??? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26002133)

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Re:"Muddy the crispness"? (4, Funny)

DrinkDr.Pepper (620053) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002323)

For just $49.99 (+S&H) I will send you my patented green felt-tip pen pixel alignment tool. It's alcohol-free ink is designed maximize the pixel aligning properties associated with green felt-tip pens.

Re:"Muddy the crispness"? (5, Funny)

AdamPee (1243018) | more than 5 years ago | (#26001979)

You can't start out with too diverse video, your computer could pull a driver. Instead, start off gently, something like a screensaver, and move on to something a little more rigorous as it warms up.

Re:"Muddy the crispness"? (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002033)

Don't forget to get the directional USB cables with the gold connectors. But I hear that one company is making USB cables with platinum connectors and 10 gauge wire that cost $600 each!!! I'm going to try some of those next!

Re:"Muddy the crispness"? (5, Funny)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002067)

Gold is passe now.

Platinum coated Low Oxygen titanium with iridium tips are what is needed now.

Also be sure that your Ethernet cables are of quality. http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3429.asp# [denon.com] is the only cable that is worthwhile for any performance computing.

using a lesser cable will cause muddyness.

Re:"Muddy the crispness"? (2, Funny)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002321)

OMFG, make it stop! That's a $499 shielded twisted pair cable. I'm sorry, but as far as data loss goes, I've pumped GigE and even 10GigE to the limit through ordinary, bargain basement unshielded CAT 5e and CAT 6 cables respectively with 0 data loss. Even ordinary STP cables aren't that expensive if you really need it.

These cables are ridiculous.

Re:"Muddy the crispness"? (5, Informative)

theaveng (1243528) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002425)

Having a high-quality cable made sense in the days of Analog audio, because a poor-quality cable could distort the sound, but in this new era of Digital audio (1's and 0's) there's no longer any need. "The AK-DL1 will bring out all the nuances in digital audio reproduction" is just nonsense. The nuances come from the computer DAC chip's ability to turn 1's and 0's into sound, and that's where audiophiles should spend their money, not on a $500 gold-plated cable.

Fools and their money are easily parted.

Re:"Muddy the crispness"? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26002489)

Thank you, Captain Obvious, for that enlightening post.

Re:"Muddy the crispness"? (1, Informative)

paazin (719486) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002817)

Thank you, Captain Obvious, for that enlightening post.

He added to the discussion explaining something for those who aren't familiar with the issue

And unlike you, he got +1 Karma point for it.

Re:"Muddy the crispness"? (4, Funny)

Registered Coward v2 (447531) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002565)

Gold is passe now.

Platinum coated Low Oxygen titanium with iridium tips are what is needed now.

Also be sure that your Ethernet cables are of quality. http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3429.asp# [denon.com] is the only cable that is worthwhile for any performance computing.

using a lesser cable will cause muddyness.

Agreed. It is also very important to ensure you use teh uni-directional Ethernet cable properly. It uses a special extruding and annealing process to line up all the electronic data pipes properly so that you get maximum data throughput in the download direction while limiting upstream traffic within ISP limits. If you install it backwards, as one of my cow orkers did, you'll severely limit your connection speeds since you are now throttling the download speed. His connection went from 2400 baud dialup speeds to past T1 after I simply reversed the cable. Don't bother to buy any of the special oxygen blocking gels that people tout for covering the connectors to prevent corrosion and maximize conductivity. They actually are harmful - you need a little bi-metallic corrosion between the connectors to ensure a nice, tight electrical bond; that's why your speeds go up after you've warmed up the cable and let it break in. I never disconnect my Ethernet cable from my MacBook for that very reason. I always disconnect at my router and carefully wrap the cable around my MacBook for travel. I hope this helps. HAND.

Re:"Muddy the crispness"? (5, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002253)

My wife flipped out and left me when I bought those instead of paying the mortgage last month. Too bad for her that she's not here to enjoy the cleanest USB signal I've ever seen!

Re:"Muddy the crispness"? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26002615)

Too bad for her, she is not going to enjoy the benefits of mortgage bailout you gonna get :)

Re:"Muddy the crispness"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26002715)

She's enjoying my cable now.

Re:"Muddy the crispness"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26002241)

Some of the 'diverse video' I watch actually tends to induce stiffness.

Re:"Muddy the crispness"? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26002317)

I get stiff after playing my diverse videos for a while. Then my right arm gets exercised.

More you need to do (2, Funny)

gsgriffin (1195771) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002405)

All FanBoys also know that you must love on your machine. Unlike PC varieties that don't need to burn in a laptop display like a transmission on a new car (from 20 years ago), you need to love your machine.

-Stroke the keys lightly as if to say, I love and want everyone to see me holding your hand as I walk down the street.
-Offer the CD/DVD to the machine with both hands. Don't force it in, be very gentle the first time. It needs to loosen up a little before you start inserting them more aggressively.
-Speak lovinging. With your enthusiasm of buying an overpriced, sexy trophy computer, you might be tempted to do a cool dance and yell and scream. This can produce flying spit that may land on the keyboard and render it soft and cushy feel.
-Carry with a keyboard pad. Never close the lid without putting a soft pad over the keyboard. The display and keys with chafe. Don't use powder to reduce chafing.

Re:"Muddy the crispness"? (1, Redundant)

ckthorp (1255134) | more than 5 years ago | (#26001865)

They just need more burn-in time, like audiophile speakers and headphones. The users need to display vibrant oilpan-like colors for a few hundred hours to ensure that the pixels are transitioning with optimal clarity and efficiency. </sarcasm>

Re:"Muddy the crispness"? (1)

skulgnome (1114401) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002099)

For an Apple fan, Macbook displays cannot be mentioned without speaking of "the crispness of". They've spent so much time gobbling that stuff up that they unconsciously repeat the marketing mantras. Marketingspeak on the brain.

Way back when the Amiga was still a barely viable platform, there used to be fanaticism... but it was absolutely nothing like what Apple fans perpetuate now. This stuff is more like pod people from the film.

Re:"Muddy the crispness"? (3, Insightful)

theaveng (1243528) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002479)

Actually it's more like a church revival meeting.

"WE know the truth. WE have the answer. While 'they' wander in darkness, WE have found the light! Can I get an Amen brothers?" "Amen!"
"We don't have to worry about viruses. We don't have to worry about drivers. We have the crispest displays in the industry. We have the best-built computers in the world. Am I right brothers?"
"Yes sir!"
"Praise be to Apple!"
"And the Macintosh!"

Actually this kinda reminds me circa 1990 with my Commodore Amiga. Fortunately I went off to college and now I'm a bleeding-heart liberal just like all the other students. The answer lies not in cold steel and plastic, but in the ever-loving arms of Brother Government. Mmmm-hmmm.

There's always HP DreamColor (2, Interesting)

aqui (472334) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002477)

HP came out with a new LCD display and (also in notebook form) that displays billions of colors.

This beats even apples cinelerra displays:
http://www.macobserver.com/review/2008/06/17.1.shtml [macobserver.com]

HP press release (on the notebook):
http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2008/080811xa.html?jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN [hp.com]

Many people don't know about it yet but it appears to be making waves..

Possibly apple is getting to comfortable with it's new marketshare.

Personally I will be looking at the displays as an alternative, when I buy yet a bigger monitor...

(disclosure: I work for EDS an HP company, as a consultant)

First gray line (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26001751)

It's not a bug, it's a special effect. Suck it up, fanboys!

I don't think these gey lines are a big problem. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26001753)

Apple users are to fuzzy usually.
It does matter if the desktop is stable and not grey lines on the the display. If you use your laptop on a plane, in the train, on a conference, on a toilet or in a cafe, the light conditins are very badly and therefore you don't see the grey lines.

Suprise... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26001767)

Apple is using low quality displays! [/sarcasm]
No seriously in all laptop reviews I have read so far the testers complained about the displays. So not really suprising news

Step 1: Deny everything (4, Funny)

gapagos (1264716) | more than 5 years ago | (#26001787)

Step 2: Start another ad with an undergrad making fun of his computer science professor.

Re:Step 1: Deny everything (2, Funny)

Svippy (876087) | more than 5 years ago | (#26001903)

Step 2: Start another ad with an undergrad making fun of his computer science professor.

Step 3: Profit!?

Re:Step 1: Deny everything (3, Funny)

Farmer Pete (1350093) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002083)

Wow, you totally got this one wrong. You missed the very vital step (see below)

Step 1: Make expensive laptops with a shitty display.
Step 2: Start another ad with an undergrad making fun of his computer science professor.
Step 3: ????
Step 4: Profit!

Macrap (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26001827)

Unlucky, thats what you happens when you buy toys.

tag: appleispants (1, Insightful)

apathy maybe (922212) | more than 5 years ago | (#26001849)

tag: appleispants

'Cause apple is pants.

Anyway, it sounds like a clear case of bad hardware, and thus should be replaced. Obviously still in the warranty period, 'cause the items are barely a few months old.

Though, actually, the article talks about updating firmware. Odd.

Actually, the entire article doesn't say much at all.

Re:tag: appleispants (1, Offtopic)

jeffasselin (566598) | more than 5 years ago | (#26001893)

Ok, I get to ask this question now: WTF does this "pants" meme means?

Re:tag: appleispants (4, Informative)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 5 years ago | (#26001993)

"x is pants" is a British phrase meaning "x is rubbish".

Re:tag: appleispants (5, Funny)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002089)

Note this only makes sense in English. In American, the phrase means 'x is trousers,' which is quite nonsensical.

Re:tag: appleispants (1)

muellerr1 (868578) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002331)

I think the translation for 'pants' into Yankee is 'underwear' in which case it's a little less nonsensical. I believe 'trousers' is Brit for the Yankee 'pants'.

Re:tag: appleispants (5, Informative)

d3ac0n (715594) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002455)

Actually, you have that precisely backwards.

in American English: Pants = Trousers or Slacks

in British English: Pants = Underpants. It's also where the word "panties" (aka: women's underwear) comes from.

So in America, "Underpants" became "Underwear". In Britain, "Underpants" became "pants"

In Soviet Russia.... well, I have no idea what they call their underclothes, but I'm sure it has something to do with the underclothes wearing YOU. Or something like that.

Re:tag: appleispants (2, Informative)

Freultwah (739055) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002785)

In Soviet Russia.... well, I have no idea what they call their underclothes, but I'm sure it has something to do with the underclothes wearing YOU. Or something like that.

This is "trusiki" or "trusary" for you. And sometimes they do end up wearing you.

Re:tag: appleispants (1)

bilbravo (763359) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002585)

I'm American... if someone says 'pants' I think they are referring to (generically) long-legged clothing you wear on the lower-half of your body (as opposed to shorts, which only come down to the knee at most). More specifically, 'pants' would refresh to dress-slacks.

If someone was referring to the garments I wear under my 'pants', that would be 'underwear'. So, saying something is 'pants' doesn't make any sense to an American. As the parent to your post said, pants = trousers. You're going right back to the original definition, which doesn't make sense to an American! :-)

Re:tag: appleispants (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26002779)

It's not just the Yankees who call it underwear. Those of us in the southern and western parts of the country use that term as well.

Re:tag: appleispants (4, Funny)

Lemming Mark (849014) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002363)

Note this only makes sense in English. In American, the phrase means 'x is trousers,' which is quite nonsensical.

Nope, it's not English versus American. You're thinking of British versus American. In the English dialect, the correct phrase would be "jolly bad show, old chap" or the alternate form "cor blimey, guv'nor, one is not amused".

Re:tag: appleispants (1)

blincoln (592401) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002371)

In American, the phrase means 'x is trousers,' which is quite nonsensical.

Is it any more nonsensical than British peoples' apparent distaste for undergarments?

No surprise (4, Interesting)

Mad Merlin (837387) | more than 5 years ago | (#26001863)

LCD panel quality in general has been on the slide for a couple years now. Pretty much every LCD sold today has a trashy TN panel (6-bit colour and awful viewing angles), instead of mostly just the cheap ones like a couple years ago.

Re:No surprise (5, Interesting)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002161)

A little while back the HD in my MacBook Pro died (shortly after completing the first full backup I'd done in almost a year, which was pretty incredible timing). While it was off being repaired, I switched back to my old PowerBook. The resolution of the screen was slightly lower, but the difference was amazing. With the PB I have massive viewing angles - unless I'm off at such a wide angle that the screen is almost a sliver, the image is still clear. With the MBP it starts to go as soon as I'm not flat-on to the display. You'd have thought that the 'pro' lines would still have decent technology, but maybe no one's making it anymore (and the newer ones have those horrible glossy screens, so I won't be getting one of them). If it wasn't for the fact that LaTeX documents that build in 10 seconds on the MBP take over a minute on the PowerBook, I'd be tempted to switch back to it.

Re:No surprise (0, Offtopic)

Mr. Underbridge (666784) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002349)

If it wasn't for the fact that LaTeX documents that build in 10 seconds on the MBP take over a minute on the PowerBook, I'd be tempted to switch back to it.

You're not compiling the whole document every time, are you? I wrote my Ph.D. thesis (couple hundred pages with lots o' figures) in LaTeX on a Powerbook 1.25 GHz, and it certainly took me about a minute if I rebuilt the whole thing. However, if I recall I broke it up so it compiled in chunks and only rebuilt sections whose source had changed. I believe I was compiling each chapter in about 5-10 seconds, and the whole thing in about a minute if I wiped all the object files.

Been a few years, though.

Re:No surprise (1)

theaveng (1243528) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002567)

Your description reminds me of my old Windows 98 Compaq Presario laptop. Absolutely terrible display, because it's impossible to see the entire image at once... even just 1 degree off perpendicular and the image fades. As a result I can see either the top half or the bottom half of the screen, but not all at the same time. Junk.

IMHO they should forget LCDs and use Plasma displays instead. Almost as bright and colorful as a CRT (big and bulky but still the best display ever made; plus it can handle multiple resolutions).

Re:No surprise (1)

Kankraka (936176) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002805)

I'm not even a mac fanboy, and I've noticed this. My old G3 wallstreet 14.1 inch only did 1024x768, but holy -crap- was it crisp, had a wide viewing angle, and with a nice even brightness. I miss that machine.

It's all how you look at it (5, Funny)

iamdrscience (541136) | more than 5 years ago | (#26001871)

I for one, think that a few grey lines make a display look distinguished.

Re:It's all how you look at it (5, Funny)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002137)

Clearly, they are speed lines to make the Mac even snappier!

Re:It's all how you look at it (5, Insightful)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002373)

You, sir, are obviously not a Mac user.

"Snappier" is a term which is reserved for talking about Safari, after an update (no matter if it's faster or not).

ex: Wow, Safari 4.0 is snappier!

Re:It's all how you look at it (1)

Registered Coward v2 (447531) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002587)

I for one, think that a few grey lines make a display look distinguished.

True. It least their displays aren't going bald like the PC guy.

Re:It's all how you look at it (1)

theaveng (1243528) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002607)

I suspect the 20-something women of the world would disagree. Nobody wants an old machine when they can get some young stud with no grays.

Not just for the new ones... (5, Informative)

JoeMerchant (803320) | more than 5 years ago | (#26001965)

Only tangentially related:

I've had an intermittent graphics card problem with an '06 MacBookPro for a while now... it leads to occasional system freeze, maybe once a day, sometimes recently a lot more. One warning that a freeze may be imminent is the appearance of thin horizontal light blue lines during what appear to be block-copys of graphics (like scrolling a browser page) - freezes often come during intense operations like a Genie style minimize, but even turning all these off, the freezes still come. There are scattered [macrumors.com] reports of similar problems, mostly when new, and my experience tracks with these (more frequent when external monitor is connected, etc.)

Bottom line - I didn't pay the 15% AppleCare tax, so I'm SOL in terms of support from Apple, they haven't admitted to anything systemic, though it obviously is at least somewhat reproduceable. What I'd really like them to do is publish a kind of tech bulletin telling how to correct the problem if you have it, but I suppose that might take business away from their Genius bars (nearest one being 2 hours drive from here.)

If they wanted a reputation as a truly awesome company, they would develop and release that kind of info instead of suppressing it to affect the (false, and repugnant) air of perfection.

Re:Not just for the new ones... (2, Funny)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002021)

The answer is to buy a new MacBook like a good consumer. Ask Steve! [today.com] He can display your captured and tormented soul perfectly on the new MacBook Air. If you can't, you just need more Apple products and probably a tattoo.

I'm trying to imagine what a Google laptop would look like. Tasteful understated text ads subliminally woven into the display, probably. Free but doesn't have a hard disk.

Re:Not just for the new ones... (5, Informative)

RMH101 (636144) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002143)

Woah there. Want the good news or the bad news? Bad news: if you've got an Nvidia GPU, your MBP's fvcked. The GPU's almost certainly one of the very, very large number Nvidia managed to screw up. The ball array soldering is faulty, and it isn't fixable.

Good news: Apple have acknowledged this as an issue and are fixing out of warranty. See http://apcmag.com/apple_acknowledges_macbook_pro_graphics_glitch_offers_fix.htm [apcmag.com] for details.

Mine's in the faulty date of manufacture range so I'm just waiting to get hit with it too. Ric

Re:Not just for the new ones... (1)

JoeMerchant (803320) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002281)

A thousand thanks... (actually, more like 2400 thanks if I was going to replace with a similar product).

Next gut wrenching life decision, during what 6-12 week period do I wish to sacrifice access to my laptop to take advantage of this "free" repair? (just hip-shooting on the repair time, but actual experience with a MacPro repair at the local shop was longer....)

Re:Not just for the new ones... (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002491)

Next gut wrenching life decision, during what 6-12 week period do I wish to sacrifice access to my laptop to take advantage of this "free" repair? (just hip-shooting on the repair time, but actual experience with a MacPro repair at the local shop was longer....)

Well, the good news is that if you actually have the repair done by Apple, you'll probably only be out a laptop for a week or two (maybe less). They overnight a shipping container to you, which then usually is overnighted back to them. Basically, on the shipping end, they're really really quick. I'd avoid your local repair shop if possible and go with a repair directly from Apple. I had an old iBook that I had to send to them a number of times (it was one of those issues that they only acknowledged 1-1/2 years after I finally got my machine fixed for real). Though it took multiple repairs to actually get it fixed, each time it went away I was only without it for a few days.

Re:Not just for the new ones... (2)

JoeMerchant (803320) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002365)

Double bummer:

First: the free repair offer only extended for 2 years from original purchase, and I find out about it here today, 30 months after original purchase, when I have been having the problem for the last 12 months (though, actually, only really badly for the last 6 months.)

Second: I have the ATY,RadeonX1600 graphics.

No more stress over when to send the thing in for repair, though. I'm just muddling through using the MBP less and less while a $400 Dell-Vista box picks up the things it can't do, like drive the 24" monitor on my desktop, play Pandora music, and run a web browser without (as much) fear of crashing - oh yeah, that Vista box goes black on me about once a week or so, but half the time it recovers within a few minutes, half the time not... ain't technology grand?

Macbook air constantly broken by design (2, Interesting)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 5 years ago | (#26001991)

DonÂt get me wrong die macbook air has so many things done right, but I get the feeling that it was released prematurely. I am not sure how it is with the current ones.
But I have one of the first generation, and you cannot run more than 10 minutes on 60% processor load after then the speed drops significantly due to excessive heat.

Which means since I mostly use ot for development I reach this stage after a few hours of work.
I called apple about this, and the support seemed to be rather dumb regarding this issue! Searching on the net revealed that others have the same problem. I assume this is a broken by design issue, since the heathing itself might be a problem in this formfactor.

Well maybe this problem is resolved with the current generation but seeing that they now have another problem with the otherwise excellent display.

Well to sum it up, if they aluminium macbooks would have been out back then I would have opted for a macbook instead of the air, but for now I live witht it and a handful of hacks installed to make the heating/venting issues more bearable!

Re:Macbook air constantly broken by design (2, Insightful)

kannibal_klown (531544) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002029)

Which means since I mostly use ot for development I reach this stage after a few hours of work.

You see, that's what I don't get. No offense, but was the Air really the best machine for development?

I thought it was a neat little laptop, but I avoided it specifically because of my machine needs: a programmer's rig.

Now if I wanted a small laptop that I carried around with me to do minor things then I might consider it as it looks like it might travel better, but it would be a secondary machine to my coding rig (be it a MB Pro or a Desktop)..

Re:Macbook air constantly broken by design (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26002087)

Oh I dunno - I used a small 13 inch laptop for development work and flew weekly with it and it was great. Powerful enough to work on properly and I could use its discrete GPU for gaming whilst sat bored in the hotel or watch DVDs in the evenings with the built in drive. Errr... but I'm sure Saint Steve would just buy you that hotel so you didn't pay through the nose for a live stream or 5GB movie via iTunes!

Re:Macbook air constantly broken by design (2, Interesting)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002775)

In my case it was, i am constantly on the road due to being in a consulting business, and dragging around something more heavy is a major pain. Add to that the OSX is pure unix, and the formfactor of the air is close to being rugged, and you get the perfect roadwarrior machine. Not everyone who has to travel a lot is a salesman, I am sort of a wandering developer :-)

Re:Macbook air constantly broken by design (4, Informative)

mario_grgic (515333) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002183)

The new aluminum Macbook is a better Macbook Air. Seriously, it is almost as sturdy, it has DVD burner, better CPU, more and easily accessible ports, and stereo speakers (although totally useless on both models).

It's not as light, but it's not much heavier either.

On the other hand, my Macbook has no heat issues, it's actually amazingly cool for normal use.

Re:Macbook air constantly broken by design (3, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002237)

Google for 'fan control'. I had a fan control utility for my PowerBook that some apple techs accidentally left on the machine after a repair, which let me manually activate the fans, and there's a nicer one for Intel machines that lets you define the fan speed to temperature relation. When the MacBook Pros were released these values were wrong. The fans would not kick in early enough and the machine would become unstable. Tweaking them a bit made the machine a bit louder and shortened the battery life slightly, but stopped it crashing (the CPU was fine, but the memory chips got too hot). A subsequent update fixed the problem and I don't have the fan control or temperature monitor utilities installed anymore.

Re:Macbook air constantly broken by design (1)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002811)

Actually I still have those things installed problem is that if you push the machine towards heavy load which happens if you do development no fan control can help the machine becomes hot. But fan control programs can at least help to keep the problem at bay.
The entire macbook air design is an excellent idea but broken by design, probably if I had the choice nowadays I would opt for the macbook instead, which is the better air than the air :-)

Dithering (5, Interesting)

AC-x (735297) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002007)

The picture [tidbits.com] posted of the problem looks like the dithering's gone wrong and it's just showing lines rather then the usual checkerboard pattern

Re:Dithering (1)

black_lbi (1107229) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002589)

Dithering you say ... so does this mean that the Macbook Air has a 6-bit panel? I would really have expected more in terms of quality, and a 6-bit panel can't be called that.
What's the use of LED back-lighting, color reproduction will be poor anyway ...

After careful study..... (2, Informative)

rockout (1039072) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002031)

In my statistical study of one sample unit (mine), I've had my eye on the display since April, and I have no complaints with it.

However, I do notice that it takes longer to find wireless networks than my old PowerBook used to. Not sure why this is.

Re:After careful study..... (1)

rockout (1039072) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002155)

Well, now that I've RTFA (what's wrong with me?!?) and even TFS more closely, I see it's only an issue on the newer MacBook Air. A rare instance of the early adopters actually being slightly better off.

Re:After careful study..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26002175)

In my statistical study of one sample unit (mine), I've had my eye on the display since April, and I have no complaints with it.

Since this affects the _recently updated_ MacBook Airs, the fact that your April unit is unaffected is sort of expected.

joke? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26002035)

is it me or is this website a joke website, like the onion?

from the looks of the image, it looks like one of the STANDARD MAC OSX desktop images.

when i read the topic, i was thinking horizontal banding that occurs on some older LCD's when you move them and the chassis flexes a little bit.

Yes, such behaviour would bother me... (2, Interesting)

Tastecicles (1153671) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002053)

...considering I now use LCD wherever a visual display unit is required, I'm very fussy about the flaws I allow. I sent some Samsung panels back and had them replaced because two of them had ghost patches. One had a bug (a real bug!) sandwiched in between the LCD layer and the backplane. Yet another had a partially detached backplane (which resulted in uneven lighting). No good to me at all. I can deal with one or two hot or dead pixels, unless it's on a panel I use to do serious work on (read: graphics-intensive stuff) where the panel has to be pixel perfect and the backlight has to be even and of the right colour temperature. As for Apple's not very new problems: yes, their panel quality has suffered a huge amount over the years. I have a G3 Lombard with a perfect panel (no hot/dead pixels and the light is even), and a G4 iBook with a panel which has dark corners and four hot pixels right in the middle of the panel. Not hugely offputting unless I try and watch a DVD... and now the Airs have panel problems? Hardly surprising... tho don't try and pick one up by the top edge of the screen, I heard of a guy who couldn't wait to get home from the Apple dealer over here and took his MBA out of the box as he left the shop... snapped the notebook in half. ...sort of put me off from buying one...

Re:Yes, such behaviour would bother me... (1)

ryansherwood (1424609) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002117)

I think this is the least of apple's problems. You seen these Phystar systems?? I'm tempted to trade my old MacBook in for some magic beans and buy one of those!

This effect has been explained in C't recently (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26002107)

The article is in German and not freely available online, so I'll summarize it: The problem is in the display electronics. To prevent the liquid crystals from polarizing themselves (sort of a burn in effect), the polarity of the voltage is reversed after each frame. If the center voltage is not exactly between the low and high voltage, then the pixel is brighter or darker, depending on the current polarity of the control voltage. The display drives the lines with alternating polarity, so this deviation causes an alternating pattern of slightly darker and slightly lighter lines.

Re:This effect has been explained in C't recently (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26002151)

It appears to be a calibration issue. Here is press release about a chip which obviates manual calibration: http://www.electronicspecifier.com/Industry-News/VCom-calibrator-reduces-manufacturing-costs-in-TFTLCDs.asp [electronicspecifier.com]

Re:This effect has been explained in C't recently (2, Interesting)

je ne sais quoi (987177) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002295)

That sounds like a likely possibility. Seems like if it's a calibration issue, you wouldn't have to replace the display, but you would have to recalibrate it. In the FTA, they suggest that:

Theories about the lines are scant, but the main ones attribute them to the new anti-glare coating or the new Nvidia graphic chips. Many users seem suspicious, though hopeful, that a firmware update will resolve the problem.

The anti-glare coating idea is bollocks I think, because if it's a coating it would wear out in circular patterns like spots, not horizontal lines. If it's NVidia's fault it'll be a bad year for them with their crummy vista drivers having come out as well.

another 'blog' advertising via slashdot... (5, Informative)

Animaether (411575) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002149)

submitted by somebody at a blog, a vague summary about a 'story' at... that same blog!
Maybe it's not a blog - sure reads like one.

"Numerous users have been complaining about grey lines that muddy the crispness of the displays of the recently updated MacBook Air."
That line in the summary -is- the 'story'.

"Doug McLean explains the problem in [the advertised blog]"
No he doesn't. He just recaps what the supposed problem would be in some detail with an example image. Kudos for the image, but there's no explanation of the problem - what causes it, why it's only apparently in late 2008 models, etc. etc. you know.. explanation - whatsoever. There's wild guessing as to what's causing it...
"Theories about the lines are scant, but the main ones attribute them to the new anti-glare coating or the new Nvidia graphic chips. Many users seem suspicious, though hopeful, that a firmware update will resolve the problem."
But that alone should make you quirk an eyebrow... I do hope those 'many users' are on the side of 'the new Nvidia graphic chips [are the cause]", as I've got no hope whatsoever for those who think that a firmware update would fix an anti-glare coating.

"along with what Apple appears to be doing about it."
Well I guess including that information in the summary would mean even less people would click on the 'story', but the answer is "we don't know". As usual, with Apple, I know, but from the 'story'...
1. "Apple has issued no official statement on the matter"
2. "we hope Apple [...] takes [...] steps to resolve it"
i.e. "we don't know what Apple appears to be doing about it"

What Grey Lines? (1)

camperdave (969942) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002169)

Okay, I've looked at the picture, and I can't see any grey lines. Well, technically I can see lots of grey lines, they make up the background of the menu bar at the top of the screen. And I also see a bunch of grey lines making up the "swoosh" which looks to me like part of the desktop wallpaper. Anyone got a better picture?

Re:What Grey Lines? (2, Informative)

rockout (1039072) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002227)

If you click on the pic, a larger version comes up and you can see the lines on that one.

Re:What Grey Lines? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26002521)

The desktop wallpaper on mac is made up of blue, the lines they speak of are the grey lines in the picture. The background is supposed to look something like this: http://www.slideshare.net/templateswise/mac-blue/

As someone said earlier, "it looks like the dithering is messed up," but my guess is that it is a video problem as this is what my former HP laptop does just before the screen dies.

Not fair (0, Flamebait)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002201)

You PC-using commoners just don't understand good design ascetics. We hipsters who are better than you understand that the gray lines are a design choice, not a flaw.

Double Standard. (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002319)

I am wondering if we are giving Apple a double standard here. I think right now the MacBook Air is the only Ultra lightweight and Thin laptop that performs as well as a Mid to upper mid level PC. These lines while an issue, the question is do other laptops that use these displays have the same problem.

Re:Double Standard. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26002535)

I'd dispute the whole "only Ultra lightweight and Thin laptop that performs as well as a Mid to Upper Mid level PC" thing. Compare it to machines like the Vaio Z/TT/TX; Voodoo Envy; Thinkpad X300; Samsung but I forget which model. Is the Air comparable to those feature rich toys?

But regardless of if it does or not, and this counts for those other machines I've listed too, I think for £1.5k I'd want my frikkin' machine to not come with these blemishes at all!

Re:Double Standard. (1)

Farmer Pete (1350093) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002577)

Um, the Lenovo X300/301 is an example of an ultra thin laptop done well. The MacBook Air is an example of someone wanting to make the thinnest laptop possible, damn the repercussions.

Re:Double Standard. (1)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002847)

I am wondering if we are giving Apple a double standard here. I think right now the MacBook Air is the only Ultra lightweight and Thin laptop that performs as well as a Mid to upper mid level PC.

Better replace that with it performs as well as an upper to mid level pc until the thing becomes warm then the processor is powered down to reduce heat...
Which appens always if you give it more load!

With Apple, get the second latest thing (1)

amazeofdeath (1102843) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002497)

New product lines from Apple almost always seem to have teething problems, this has been especially true with the laptops. I always recommend waiting till the first revision of the products appear and let others take care of the "beta" testing, of course my recommendations aren't usually followed by those who just need to get whatever new bling Apple has put out...

Premium laptop? (2, Insightful)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 5 years ago | (#26002501)

[...] and result in a disappointing display, particularly for a premium laptop.

Since when is the MacBook Air a premium laptop? It sure has a premium price. And it looks stylish. But that's it.
You know what else is like that? An expensive whore "girlfriend". ;) (Apple fans, stay with me! :)

I think Apple has done some cool things. But this (or the iPhone) is not one of them.
The 18 bit display was the first hint.

It's more a EEE PC concurrent. Which means that it's useless for real full use, because of its slowness and lack of features (one example being Firewire).
This is fully ok, if the laptop is really cheap. Unfortunately, that's where the MacBook Air fails. It's not cheap. It's really expensive (compared to the real market. Not to other overprices Apple products.)

I really wonder, how cool Apple's products would be, if they had concurrency in their own domain. If for example MacOS XI would have a HAL that would allow other companys to do the same with their systems. They would have to look good and have more features to have a chance, so Apple would have to add even more, thereby lowering the price to a realistic market level.

The reality distortion field is broken (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26002581)

First their was the moobooks, the bad batteries, random shutdowns, warping plastic, the DRM, the lack of replaceable batteries, the restrictiive app store, steve jobs health scares etc.

Despite their "switch" and "I'm a mac" adverts, apple still have less than 5% market share, even with switching to intel and having windows compatiblity

Face it, the 2009 mac world will be a disaster. All it will be is a crappy beta of "snow" leopard, intel atom based mac minis, I7 mac pros and imacs, all with built in DRM.

Fuck Apple, and fuck mac zealots along with linux zealots and all "open sores" zealots too.

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