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Netflix Comes To Tivo, AppleTV, Linux

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 5 years ago | from the long-time-coming dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Netflix on Tivo is officially out and leaving satellite users out in the cold. Tivo announced today that if you are a subscriber to both services then you can start receiving many Netflix titles on your Tivo for no extra charge. This is only available to subscribers with TiVo HD, TiVo HD XL and TiVo Series3 DVRs. The majority of Tivo's subscribers are probably Series 2 owners and will be forced to 'upgrade' if they want this new service but it won't be that easy for those on satellite. Tivo's current model lineup does not really offer a solution for satellite subscribers. The HD and HD XL are cable only and there is no sign of the Series 3 on their site." Another reader also writes to tell us that "Linux PC and AppleTV users are about to gain the ability to stream Netflix's movies and TV shows directly to their systems. Although Netflix's instant watch service only officially supports Windows and Mac, Boxee expects to release Netflix streaming support to the Ubuntu version of its free A/V media center software within a couple of days, and says that adding Netflix streaming support to AppleTV asap is its top priority."

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190 comments

Show Me The Titles (5, Insightful)

alain94040 (785132) | more than 5 years ago | (#26038621)

That's great in theory, but the problem with Netflix is that the selection of movies that they let you stream is, shall we say... poor.

At least the good news is that they are opening up and trying to support as many distribution channels as possible. It's a pain to connect my laptop to my TV, just because by definition, a laptop is always on the go, and a TV connection means plugging and unplugging two cables each time (one for video, one for audio). It's just too much of a hassle.

That's why I eventually got an AppleTV: it's the best way to browse music on a HiFi system which has an HD TV attached to it (that is to say, 90% of the standard geek setup) - and it may even be able to display video content too :-) I wish they had called it iTunes TV, it would not have confused people so much.

Now my AppleTV will get more content from its Internet connection. All good to me. As streaming movies becomes commonplace, maybe pirates and DRM will not be such an obsession of Hollywood...

Re:Show Me The Titles (4, Informative)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#26038797)

Not only that, but about half the time, I can't even get the damn movies I do have in my queue to actually stream to my 360 at all (I just get a vague "Playback did not start" type message). This seems to vary by disc, and doesn't seem to have anything to do with my connection. I was trying to watch some "Forever Knight" episodes this weekend, but could not get any of them to play, whereas eps from other series seemed to work just fine. AFAIK, none of these show the "Not available on Xbox" label that I've seen on some Sony movies.

Forever knight? (3, Funny)

internerdj (1319281) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039077)

Your Xbox was just doing you a favor.

Re:Forever knight? (1, Flamebait)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039265)

The second season was actually pretty good. A lot better than that Buffy crap, anyway.

Re:Forever knight? (1)

internerdj (1319281) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039425)

Maybe I just started in the wrong spot. I loved it when I was much younger but started again from the begining and couldn't make it past the first DVD.

Re:Show Me The Titles (5, Funny)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039085)

"AFAIK, none of these show the "Not available on Xbox" label that I've seen on some Sony movies."

Hmm.....I see no mention of this being available for MythTV.

I'm not really interested in this streaming stuff. I'd much rather get a real DVD in the mail and watch it. Then, I also "back up" a copy for NetFlix too before I send it back. Just a favor to them for being such a great service.

:-)

Re:Show Me The Titles (2, Informative)

JCSoRocks (1142053) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039349)

I've never had any trouble streaming Netflix through my XBox. I've watched three full seasons of various shows since the update was released and they've all worked flawlessly.

Re:Show Me The Titles (2, Informative)

LordNimon (85072) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039413)

There was a problem over the past 2-3 weeks with poor connectivity, especially in the evenings. The problem should be fixed by now. It is for me.

Re:Show Me The Titles (4, Interesting)

blhack (921171) | more than 5 years ago | (#26038853)

They let you stream a lot of the Independent and Documentary stuff...

I have a feeling that this is pretty appealing to the Slashdot crowd. /got netflix this weekend.

Re:Show Me The Titles (4, Funny)

jandrese (485) | more than 5 years ago | (#26038855)

But they have Jesus Christ Vampire Hunter [netflix.com] available for streaming, what else could you want?

Re:Show Me The Titles (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26038973)

I just watched that this past weekend..and it almost made me cancel my nexflix account!

Re:Show Me The Titles (1)

digitalhermit (113459) | more than 5 years ago | (#26040093)

I love zombie movies. Good zombie movies are great, once you find them every few years. Poor zombie movies are the norm. It's rare to find something as painful as JSVH.

I saw it last week. To support the parent post, the Netflix WatchInstantly selections are pretty bleak. Within a month (this is my first month, in fact), I've already exhausted everything that I wanted to see.

 

Re:Show Me The Titles (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26038949)

Geeks do not have HD TV and shit like that (yeah, there's such quality nowadays, I can watch Ow, My Balls in HD!!!1!11one! That would be a waste of money that could otherwise be spent on <insert hobby here>.

Re:Show Me The Titles (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26039053)

NCIS and other new shows within 24 hours. The Office. There's quite a bit of good stuff!

Re:Show Me The Titles (4, Interesting)

JCSoRocks (1142053) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039403)

For me the streaming is less about movies and more about watching shows / novelty stuff that you wouldn't usually want to waste a rental on. I can watch a whole season of a TV show in a weekend if I want. It's great.

The movie selection doesn't matter as much because the picture and sound quality aren't as great as they are on the physical media anyway. If I want to watch a movie I'll wait for the BluRay to come in the mail and watch the magical 1008p hotness and hear the uncompressed audio.

For most TV shows that stuff doesn't matter. Do you really need to see The Office or 30 Rock in HD? I'm perfectly happy streaming those with no commercials to my xbox. I love it.

Re:Show Me The Titles (1)

jgunchy (602271) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039553)

Netflix just added the first seasons of the original Twilight Zone and Star Trek to the instant view. None of that wimpy "Run a level one diagnostic and meet me in the conference room" stuff from James T. Kirk (^_^)

Re:Show Me The Titles (4, Interesting)

Ephemeriis (315124) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039785)

That's great in theory, but the problem with Netflix is that the selection of movies that they let you stream is, shall we say... poor.

That really depends on what you're looking for.

No, the recent blockbuster titles aren't generally available... But there's tons of good sci-fi and horror, and lots of independent and foreign films, and tons of documentaries, and lots of old TV... Enough stuff that my wife and I make very good use of the streaming stuff.

Re:Show Me The Titles (1)

pilgrim23 (716938) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039885)

Boxxee with Hulu. it has far breater selection, easy to use and very easy to install on a thumbdrive. investigate Boxee for the AppleTV oh yeah: and its free

Re:Show Me The Titles (1)

Protocron (611778) | more than 5 years ago | (#26040343)

The problem with Boxee is that I can't get an invite. It would be great to see Boxee with all of the functions.

Re:Show Me The Titles (1)

BradHAWK (1346147) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039895)

My problem with Netflix is their copious popup ads, which even defeat some popup blockers. I'll never patronize them.

"browsing" music? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26040307)

AppleTV: it's the best way to browse music on a HiFi system which has an HD TV attached to it

Most geeks probably prefer listening to music instead of browsing it. In fact, most households' HDTV is probably occupied with something besides "browsing" music. Arguably, the best way to browse music is headless but with a fancy remote [logitech.com] . Save the HDTV for doing something useful.

Thirsty for a firsty (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26038653)

So, a while ago, while browsing netflix, I had to take the piss ...

Still not as good (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26038695)

I am still gonna get my movies via torrent and stream them to my tv with my Xbox. If it can be converted to binary, you can find a way to get it for free.

Why bother (5, Interesting)

Inglix the Mad (576601) | more than 5 years ago | (#26038699)

I have a PS3 for Blu-Ray and can stream Netflix, Hulu, and other items straight from my PC using PlayOn ( www.themediamall.com ).

Too little, too late. Why take up the space on my PVR when I can live stream it from my PC?

Just my two pence.

Re:Why bother (1)

ouija147 (467204) | more than 5 years ago | (#26038871)

DirecTV supports media sharing.

I have DirecTV and use PlayOn to stream to my DirecTV HD DVR.

So not all Sat. users are left on in the cold

Re:Why bother (4, Interesting)

MooseMuffin (799896) | more than 5 years ago | (#26038905)

How about:
a. PlayOn isn't free

b. This is also a live stream that won't take up space on your PVR.

Re:Why bother (0)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039459)

Wow. 30 bucks. I'm sure that's breakin' the bank. Since I use Hulu and Netflix instead of cable TV, and cable TV would be $60/month (and Netflix is only $16/month), I made my money back on PlayOn the first month I used it.

Re:Why bother (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039521)

PlayOn is only a one-time fee of $30...even if Netflix is supported on the 360, you can think of it as a one-time fee to get Hulu and CBS streaming to your 360. PlayOn is also useful if you have a Popcorn Hour set-top box.

Re:Why bother (5, Informative)

vux984 (928602) | more than 5 years ago | (#26038967)

Too little, too late. Why take up the space on my PVR when I can live stream it from my PC?

Too little too late if you have PS3 or xbox360.

Millions of people don't have and don't want either.

Re:Why bother (3, Interesting)

Inglix the Mad (576601) | more than 5 years ago | (#26040117)

Take the Big 3:

Nintendo - Wii (Playon is building an interface for the Wii)

Sony - PS3

Microsoft - Xbox 360

Now what we need is numbers of the people that own Tivo boxes that also own any ONE of these three (or two if you just want to go current)

Realistically Tivo is fighting a diminishing game, and this comes from the owner of a Tivo HD. How many people own one of those 3 units above vs. a TivoHD? Which is cheaper, the PlayOn (30$) or TivoHD (300+ sub)?

Re:Why bother (2, Insightful)

asv108 (141455) | more than 5 years ago | (#26040497)

As an owner of a PS3, an Xbox 360, and a Tivo HD, I think the Tivo solution is the most viable.

The PS3 and the Xbox are game systems that can play TV. They are not 24/7 appliances like a DVR. A Tivo is on all the time, and everyone I know is familiar with how to use it.

If you're not a gamer, you will not be purchasing a game system to watch online Movies.

Re:Why bother (1)

thrillseeker (518224) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039097)

it'd certainly be nice if the PS3 would stream from the various DVD rental services, rather than Sony trying to roll their own.

Re:Why bother (1)

bilbravo (763359) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039241)

I am under the impression that the problem isn't "Sony trying to roll their own" but rather MS buying exclusive Netflix service for Live.

I may be wrong though.

Re:Why bother (2, Insightful)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039671)

Netflix is on virtually everything, TiVo, Roku box, half a dozen Profile 2.0 Blu-ray players, everyone's PC, etc. I believe any "exclusives" Microsoft announced were temporary (as in "We want to be first with HD, for one whole week!"), if there were any at all - Netflix uses Microsoft's VC-1 and WMA codecs and DRM, so presumably "Netflix working on XBox out of the gate" was extremely easy compared to making it work for non-Microsoft platforms.

I would say I was disappointed by Sony throwing the hissy-fit it did over Netflix HD on X-Box, but it's reached the point that you just expect them to act pathetically. Sony should be fully on board with Netflix. LG is. Samsung is. If those two are, why isn't Sony?

Re:Why bother (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26039747)

I would say I was disappointed by Sony throwing the hissy-fit it did over Netflix HD on X-Box, but it's reached the point that you just expect them to act pathetically. Sony should be fully on board with Netflix. LG is. Samsung is. If those two are, why isn't Sony?

What hissy fit was this? Can you point to something supporting your claim of a hissy fit? To the best of my knowledge Sony didn't respond in any way to Netflix on 360. But I agree, they should be working on some arrangement with Netflix. After all, the PS3 already supports VC-1 thanks to its inclusion in the BD spec.

Re:Why bother (1)

BrentH (1154987) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039641)

I don't get that: you have this teraflop machines sitting there (a f*cking CELL in the PS3 or a triplecore 3.2GHz PowerPC in the 360, /plenty/ of horsepower both of them) and still you need to stream stuff to it. Wouldn't it be much more economic to just install an application of whatever on that machine (integrated in the firmware or whatever) and have that do all the work? Streaming media to a PS3 or 360 makes them just a very expensive and overpowered video-out. I'd say: put all those flops to work!

Re:Why bother (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039793)

I don't get that: you have this teraflop machines sitting there (a f*cking CELL in the PS3 or a triplecore 3.2GHz PowerPC in the 360, /plenty/ of horsepower both of them) and still you need to stream stuff to it. Wouldn't it be much more economic to just install an application of whatever on that machine (integrated in the firmware or whatever) and have that do all the work? Streaming media to a PS3 or 360 makes them just a very expensive and overpowered video-out. I'd say: put all those flops to work!

Umm, where do you expect them to get the actual video data from? Will they just synthesize it out of thin air using all that horsepower? Seems you've missed a very key point to the whole issue.

Re:Why bother (1)

BrentH (1154987) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039957)

The same place the computer gets it from: the internet (or an networked/external hard drive).

Re:Why bother (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 5 years ago | (#26040409)

The same place the computer gets it from: the internet (or an networked/external hard drive).

Oh, so you want it streamed over the internet. Guess what--that's how it works already, but for some reason you aren't content with that.

Re:Why bother (1)

BrentH (1154987) | more than 5 years ago | (#26040491)

But how it works now you need to put a computer between the internet and the ps3/360, which seems kind of useless to me ...

Re:Why bother (1)

afidel (530433) | more than 5 years ago | (#26040493)

Pretty sure he's talking about the fact that you need a uPnP client on the PC to talk to the services like Hulu instead of having a client available for the console. The fact is thanks to the standardized and open way the PC works it's easy to write a client that grabs internet content and then streams it back out via uPnP vs the difficulty of writing and publishing a client for each of the closed console and media player clients there are out there.

Re:Why bother (3, Informative)

Dutch Gun (899105) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039937)

I don't get that: you have this teraflop machines sitting there (a f*cking CELL in the PS3 or a triplecore 3.2GHz PowerPC in the 360, /plenty/ of horsepower both of them) and still you need to stream stuff to it. Wouldn't it be much more economic to just install an application of whatever on that machine (integrated in the firmware or whatever) and have that do all the work? Streaming media to a PS3 or 360 makes them just a very expensive and overpowered video-out. I'd say: put all those flops to work!

As far as I know, these ARE local apps that are managing the downloading and decoding/playback process. Streaming data from the internet and playing back video won't tax these consoles, but what else is more CPU horsepower going to give you here?

No Series 2? (2, Informative)

YrWrstNtmr (564987) | more than 5 years ago | (#26038709)

Rats. Oh well, it sounded good. But I'm not getting a whole new Tivo box, until I have a need for it (i.e. an HD TV).
And I expect there are a LOT of people like this.

Re:No Series 2? (1)

jandrese (485) | more than 5 years ago | (#26038881)

That's my thought. I still have a SDTV, why would I upgrade to a Series 3 TiVo? Especially since my Series 2 has lifetime service and is still going strong 5 years later. It sure beats having the cable company's "DVR".

Re:No Series 2? (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039623)

That's my thought. I still have a SDTV, why would I upgrade to a Series 3 TiVo?

For me, my cable company forced me to get the Series3. I'm in one of the Time Warner Cable markets where they were forcing beta "mystro" software on their cable boxes to us. Beta software that could not reliably change channels at the times shows were starting or ending. They'd throw out initial digits, all digits, or crash if you tried to change channels at the moment it wanted to update the on-screen guide data for the channel you were leaving. Not considered a problem if you're a human changing the channel, but a show-stopper for any device having to trust that the channel was changed properly.

Padding Season Passes on the Series2 by a minute start and end still wouldn't work right for the creative scheduling of the networks. And that option is completely unavailable to Series1 users.

The CableCards have been working reliably for me for awhile now, with just some early problems due to signal strength. There are just a few hiccups with the HDCP handshake between the TiVo, HDMI switch, stereo receiver, and TV, but I seem to have routed around the problem.

Especially since my Series 2 has lifetime service and is still going strong 5 years later. It sure beats having the cable company's "DVR".

I transferred lifetime from two of my Series1 units to two Series2 units (with the idea that I could retire the Series1s and still do manual recordings with them) in a special promotion, not grandfathered option. If TiVo would offer that again to a TiVo HD, I'd buy two more and give the Series2 units as gifts to family and friends (with new cooling fans installed).

It would be a good offer to do before Feb. 17, 2009.

Re:No Series 2? (2, Interesting)

dreamt (14798) | more than 5 years ago | (#26038889)

The hardware in the Series 2 simply can't do the work. Netflix is using a codec that isn't supported there.

Re:No Series 2? (1)

YrWrstNtmr (564987) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039771)

The hardware in the Series 2 simply can't do the work. Netflix is using a codec that isn't supported there.

Maybe so, but I can 'stream' from the PC to the Series 2, through the same ethernet cable. What would be the major difference?

Re:No Series 2? (2, Informative)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 5 years ago | (#26040181)

The S2 has a pathetically weak CPU and no corresponding dedicated acceleration hardware.

It just doesn't have the horsepower.

Re:No Series 2? (1)

jwilloug (6402) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039069)

Same here. I was interested when I first about the Netflix/TiVo deal, but not so interested as to go out and buy a Series 3. At some point I will upgrade everything to HD, but probably not any time soon on account of how there's no money, anywhere (I've only got so many chickens for barter).

Linux? Really? (2, Interesting)

Jonah Bomber (535788) | more than 5 years ago | (#26038713)

It's about time. We've enjoyed Netflix for years, but those instant movies are pretty worthless when your OS isn't supported.

Re:Linux? Really? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26038849)

No, not really. This story has gotten huge legs on the internet, but if people would actually read the Boxee forum, it tells you that support for Netflix won't be included in the Linux version until Netflix releases a player for Linux, which is supposed to happen some time next year. Netflix support is only in the Mac version of Boxee (they are working on Apple TV, but the 1Ghz processor is just to slow to make it work).

Re:Linux? Really? (1)

keithjr (1091829) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039303)

That doesn't surprise me, they have a lot of work ahead of them. The thing won't even run on Firefox yet; it requires Windows with IE. So lame.

Re:Linux? Really? (2, Informative)

mzs (595629) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039807)

Uh no, I have firefox 3 on a 2 GHz P4 running XP SP2 with the latest version of Silverlight and the Netflix streaming works fine.

Re:Linux? Really? (1)

Bourbonium (454366) | more than 5 years ago | (#26040507)

Not entirely true. I stream Netflix Watch Instantly selections in Firefox by using the IETab extension (it fools the server into thinking that you're using IE instead of FF). It works in Opera, too. Alas, only on Windows, though, not Linux.

Hurray for Boxee support... (3, Interesting)

fragMasterFlash (989911) | more than 5 years ago | (#26038745)

...but I wish it were integrated into the MythTV backend as well so I could view it through the front end of my choice.

Re:Hurray for Boxee support... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26039171)

Why would it have to be in the backend? It streams over the internet, if your frontend can get to the internet there is no reason to make a mess of things and run the stream through the backend.

The player requires silverlight/moonlight. There must be some api that the boxee people are getting the stream from.

XBox 360 left out of summary completely? (5, Insightful)

fahrvergnugen (228539) | more than 5 years ago | (#26038751)

Netflix gets it.

Every streaming media provider so far that has arrived & failed has done so because they try to mimic the rental pricing model. They charge $3 a movie for 24 hours, and then wonder why sales are low. The thing is, people won't pay $3 for access to media they don't physically control.

Netflix is following the HBO OnDemand pricing model. $20 a month for unlimited access to anything in their ondemand streaming library. This is the pricing model people want when it comes to media they don't physically control. Since I didn't pay per-item, I don't mind that there are restrictions on use.

I've been using this service on the XBox 360 for the past few weeks and it's been exceptional. My only technical gripe is that it's limited to 2-channel audio right now, but otherwise there is nothing to complain about. Widescreen movies are displayed fullscreen on an HD set, 4:3 content is pillarboxed, the video quality is approximately on-par with DVD. As soon as they work out 5.1 it'll be perfect. The addition of TV series with new episodes that have just aired but are not yet available on DVD is just another perk. Selection is growing every day.

It's really fantastic if you've got the bandwidth.

I'm seriously thinking about canceling my satellite TV service / DVR and just running with 360 & Netflix. For just under $300 a year, ($50 xblive, $20/mo to Netflix), as opposed to the almost $1000 a year that most cable/satellite companies charge for HD service, it's a great deal.

Re:XBox 360 left out of summary completely? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26038863)

Tsk tsk tsk. Even assuming the Tivo's can be connected to a broadband network via a home LAN, the existing Tivo boxes can only decode MPEG-2 video. To get decent video with MPEG-2 you can't compress the video to less than a few Mbits/sec, which means massive files sizes for each movie and long long download times. And copy protection is trickier for MPEG-2 files, and I don't think the boxes have any copy protection built in.

Current Tivos don't support the newer video codecs like H.264 or WMV9 that offer comparable video quality at much lower encoding rates, which are the basis for current online movie efforts. They also have better content protection systems built in.

Re:XBox 360 left out of summary completely? (3, Informative)

dreamt (14798) | more than 5 years ago | (#26038915)

That is series 2. Thats why Netflix is only on series 3, where the newer codec ARE supported.

Re:XBox 360 left out of summary completely? (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039443)

You only have to have a plan of $10/mo or higher for Netflix streaming, not $20.

Re:XBox 360 left out of summary completely? (1)

Bodhammer (559311) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039767)

$8.99/month for 1 disk out at a time, unlimited number of rentals per month.

Re:XBox 360 left out of summary completely? (1)

JCSoRocks (1142053) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039505)

I'm seriously thinking about canceling my satellite TV service / DVR and just running with 360 & Netflix. For just under $300 a year, ($50 xblive, $20/mo to Netflix), as opposed to the almost $1000 a year that most cable/satellite companies charge for HD service, it's a great deal.

That's how I've been running. I'm already paying for Netflix and Xbox Live anyway... why pay to get cable and then be forced to watch commercials? My experience with Netflix so far has been that they're an intelligent company. Customer service is amazing and when they get something wrong (like the planned profile "update") they fix it quickly.

Satellite Owners (1, Informative)

TheNinjaroach (878876) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039033)

Tivo's current model lineup does not really offer a solution for satellite subscribers.

What a surprise, Tivo was too busy in suing Dish Network in court to actually provide a solution for those subscribers. TiVo Wins Appeal On Patents For Pause, Ffwd, Rwd [slashdot.org]

Patents, making sure you can't build it even when they won't.

Re:Satellite Owners (2, Informative)

zeoslap (190553) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039229)

It has nothing to do with the Dish lawsuit, you could never get Tivo on the Dish system.

The issue is that they lost the contract with DirecTV when Murdoch bought it and started pushing the DVR that his other company(NDS?) owned and built.

Nonsense (1)

north.coaster (136450) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039779)

Blaming Tivo for this is like blaming the farmers who grow coffee beans for the cold cup of coffee that you got from Starbucks.

Although Tivo has supplied components to DirectTV, the features capabilities and features are determined by DTV, not Tivo. If you want your DTV box (which happens to run Tivo software) to be upgraded, contact DirectTV.

Re:Satellite Owners (1)

asv108 (141455) | more than 5 years ago | (#26040193)

Get your facts straight, Tivo never had a relationship with Dish network.

bullshit (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26039045)

This is bullshit. I have two series 2 tivo's and have been a subscriber for years. I purchased them both with lifetime service. Now I am supposed to buy new hardware and pay monthly so I can use netflix?

Re:bullshit (1, Informative)

The End Of Days (1243248) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039155)

No, you're supposed to not stream Netflix to your device.

Not sure where your attitude of entitlement comes from, but since you have it, just pirate. This is a lovely justification for people like you.

But Mommy, *Tommy* got a new toy! (5, Insightful)

ClayJar (126217) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039327)

This is bullshit. I have two series 2 tivo's and have been a subscriber for years. I purchased them both with lifetime service. Now I am supposed to buy new hardware and pay monthly so I can use netflix?

Let's see. You paid for lifetime service, and a product you didn't pay for that runs on hardware you didn't buy is available now, and since you don't get it, you complain? Your TiVo still works and your lifetime service is still providing data. In fact, it is likely you are getting more than you originally paid for (i.e. there are new features which *have* made it to Series 2 TiVos).

For (not) the last time, people, the fact that someone else may gain an additional unexpected benefit does not mean that anyone who did not get the additional unexpected benefit is being slighted! You do not *lose* anything just because someone else has a shiny new toy.

Re:But Mommy, *Tommy* got a new toy! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26039633)

True, but it creates the perception of loss; sometimes perception is more important than reality.

Re:But Mommy, *Tommy* got a new toy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26039845)

True, but it creates the perception of loss

Only if you are really fucking stupid and far dumber than the typical consumer. And to be dumber than the typical consumer is saying a lot!

Re:But Mommy, *Tommy* got a new toy! (1)

GooberToo (74388) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039915)

True, but it creates the perception of loss; sometimes perception is more important than reality.

What are you talking about? Are you mentally deficient? How does a lifetime of free data entitle you to new hardware (or even new software features)? Only an idiot would think like that.

That's like reasoning, "I bought a lifetime subscription of OnStar and Chevy just came out with a new vet with more HP. Those fuckers didn't give me a new vet! I have a life time subscription to OnStar! Those cheap fuckers!" Are you fucking stupid?!?! Holy shit! When does the whining of self entitlement stop with you fuckers?!?! Idiot!

Re:But Mommy, *Tommy* got a new toy! (2, Informative)

powerlord (28156) | more than 5 years ago | (#26040041)

Exactly.

One thing a little bothersome to me is that the summary mentions TiVo HD and TiVo HDXL only working with Cable. Not true. Yeah, they won't work with satellite, but they work fine for over the air signals also (like those new digital ones that are showing up).

Both have two tuners, each of which can record from any of the current sources at the same time, (so record 2 OTA, 2 Cable or 1 OTA and 1 Cable show, which watching another pre-recorded show and downloading a movie from Amazon ... not bad for a little box under the TV).

Re:bullshit (1)

Arcady13 (656165) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039645)

You could always buy the Roku box for $99, watch Netflix on that, and stop your damn whining.

I bought a Series3 and paid for Lifetime. I sold the old Series2 lifetime box on eBay. Net cost was about $200.

Submission inaccurate (4, Informative)

hkb (777908) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039139)

When will submitters like ScuttleMonkey RTFA they are submitting?

NetFlix isn't coming to the AppleTV version of Boxee, as the AppleTV is not powerful enough, as TFA states.

Complaint inaccurate (1)

LMacG (118321) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039635)

When will readers complaining about Slashdot content learn the difference between a submitter and an editor? And that selective comprehension doesn't help either?

TFA (actually the link is at http://blog.boxee.tv/ [boxee.tv] ) does state the AppleTV was not powerful enough for this release, but then goes on in the very next sentence to say "we're still working on it, but don't have a solution, yet.. "

Yes the /. headline is optimistic, if not misleading. The summary is a tad better, but still has a heap o' high hopes.

Silverlight? (2, Insightful)

argent (18001) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039141)

IIRC, this is using Silverlight. You need to install Microsoft's latest "active content" environment on your mac (or, eventually, on Linux) to take advantage of this. After avoiding depending on "active content" even on Windows (and avoiding a number of big virus panics) for a decade, I'm not about to start trusting them now.

Re:Silverlight? (1)

The Dancing Panda (1321121) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039463)

Umm...you're not depending on it, you're using it for your movies.

Do you also keep Flash off your boxes?

MCE 2005? (1)

edmicman (830206) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039147)

Any way to get Netflix on MCE 2005? I know theres a Vista Media Center plugin, but I haven't got around to reinstalling with Vista yet. That banks on my setup working in Vista in the first place!

Or, what about a MythTV plugin? Or XBMC?

Re:MCE 2005? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26039335)

Any way to get Netflix on MCE 2005?

It's called Firefox or Internet Explorer.

Re:MCE 2005? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26039819)

Go get vista, not only is are the netflix plugins top notch, but media playing in general is a much better experience. It also feels faster, and has many new options.

Hackish (4, Interesting)

pvera (250260) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039197)

I got two Xbox 360s, two AppleTVs. One set for myself and the wife, the other for my 10-yr old.

My options:

1. transcode content and watch it on the AppleTV. Takes time, and my Turbo.264 hardware encoder is a piece of crap, the new Handbrake works much better without even relying on the dongle. Parental controls are awesome, and content is organized very well.

2. stream content from the mac into the 360 with Connect360. Looks almost identical to #1, without having to transcode. Only thing that sucks is navigating through a lot of content, and there are no parental controls.

3. watch netflix on the mac. Not good enough.

4. watch netflix on the mac on the Parallels 4 side. Not good enough (almost can't tell it apart from #3).

5. watch netflix on the 360. It frickin rocks. Having to go to the website to add to the queue is a minor annoyance but not the end of the world.

6. Renting content on the 360. Works very damn nice, only a bit slow to start if it is HD content. Could use more variety.

7. Renting content on the AppleTV. Also works very nice, but sometimes it takes weeks for new content to show up. They do release at least something every week, but mostly so it looks like they are alive.

I have also used boxee on the AppleTV, and while in theory it worked, it was sloppy and it screwed up with the menu hierarchy. After an hour of playing with it I was annoyed enough to delete it.

I like how the streaming on the 360 works because it takes exactly zero tampering with the 360 to make it happen. All you need is a media pc, or a mac running software impersonating a media pc. Adding boxee to the appleTV was simply scary.

What I really want is for Apple to do exactly the same thing that was done to the 360, add a menu entry for Netflix with a SIMPLE way to authenticate the device (the way this was done in the 360 was just beautiful, just a short, easy to type code) and not a damn thing else.

Re:Hackish (1)

Killer Orca (1373645) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039307)

I have been able to stream to my 360 from my Ubuntu box, but haven't seen anything on boxee. So are you able to stream CNN and youtube videos from boxee onto the 360 or is it media that you already have on hand?

Re:Hackish (1)

pvera (250260) | more than 5 years ago | (#26040433)

On the 360:

1. Media streamed from a mac, thru connect360.
2. Rented media.

On the AppleTV:

1. Media streamed/sync through iTunes.
2. Rented media.
3. Hulu streamed through Boxee.
4. Torrents pulled through Boxee.
5. Youtube videos. My kid adores this feature, he beats the living crap out of it.

I don't even know if the AppleTV with Boxee can stream content that the 360 can pull.

Re:Hackish (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039601)

I don't know how viable Netflix is on AppleTV...I've streamed Netflix to it using PlayOn on my Windows desktop and both XBMC and Boxee on the ATV. The ATV chokes on Netflix content, but does ok with Hulu most of the time.

Re:Hackish (1)

pvera (250260) | more than 5 years ago | (#26040473)

Boxee runs horribly on my Mac Book Pro Core 2 2.33, 3GB ram. It doesn't run much better on my AppleTV. Maybe I am expecting too much from the AppleTV, but at least the 60 excels at streaming Netflix so I am happy.

But everyone knows... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26039207)

that Ubuntu is not Linux! It clearly is Vista in disguise.

Satellite Netflix seems unlikely for a while (1)

Ungrounded Lightning (62228) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039231)

... due to bandwidth issues. Satellite bandwidth is limited and WAY oversold. A bunch of customers downloading Netflix movies individually (in direct competition with the satellite companys' premium services) would saturate it - along with their individual bandwidth caps.

A multicast-anything-anybody-ordered / catch-on-the-fly / maybe-fill-in-errors-with-unicast mode would solve the bandwidth problem - and could potentially be integrated with the satellite carrier's own transmission of the same movies to shrink bandwidth almost to nill. But that would probably require a deal between Netflix and the satellite company in question (unless the company starts supporting multicast, perhaps to save itself from drowning). So it seems unlikely any time soon.

Re:Satellite Netflix seems unlikely for a while (1)

bilbravo (763359) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039341)

I believe the idea is to just use the satellite STB as a way to present the video on the TV. The video would not be streamed via satellite. Standard internet connection would be used.

Re:Satellite Netflix seems unlikely for a while (1)

timiscool999 (596491) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039361)

My Dish Network DVR is hooked up to my AT&T DSL @ 3 MB/s. It's how I get my programming guide updates. I also have a Roku for Netflix streaming. I'm a big fan of both boxes. But it'd be nice if I could just use my Dish Network DVR for my Netflix streaming. At least that way we could get rid of at least 1 remote on our coffee table.

Re:Satellite Netflix seems unlikely for a while (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26040145)

uh, it would be streaming over your internet not over your sat. just like my cable I use netflix 360 & yes I have cable tv but it streams over the internet same as tivo! netflix is not part of your cable

can I use firefox for vewing netflix instant yet? (2, Interesting)

DragonTHC (208439) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039285)

It's great and all that they have included so many extra platforms, but can I use firefox on my windows box to view the content yet? Am I still forced to use IE?

Re:can I use firefox for vewing netflix instant ye (1)

er587 (671913) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039447)

I watched a movie from netflix's last night using Firfox on my Mac Book. After installing Silverlight.

Re:can I use firefox for vewing netflix instant ye (1)

JCSoRocks (1142053) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039565)

I generally rail against companies that don't bother to make their stuff work in FireFox but I can't say that I blame Netflix here. It's not like requiring IE is actually preventing anyone from using the service. Everyone with windows has IE and the rest of the site works just fine in FireFox.

Also... awesome sig.

Their servers can't handle the increased traffic (1)

2gravey (959785) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039693)

I have been enjoying "watch now" piped from my PC into my TV for more than a year now. Its great for instantly getting a movie to entertain the kids or watching 80's tv shows. Over last few months, though, ever since they have pushing set top boxes to increase their user base, there has been big lags in the middle of the movie streaming. It always says that my bandwidth has decreased, but when I check it at speedtest.net, it's just fine. Personally, I don't think their servers can handle the increased use the service has been getting because of the set top boxes, x-boxes, apple-tvs, etc. I hope they improve their capacity soon.

DirecTV Customers Not Entirely Left Out... (3, Informative)

SurfTheWorld (162247) | more than 5 years ago | (#26039927)

From a press release several weeks/months ago:

"DIRECTV and TiVo will work together to develop a version of the TiVo® service for DIRECTV's broadband-enabled HD DVR platform. The product will support the latest TiVo and DIRECTV features and services, including TiVo's Universal Swivel Search and TiVo KidZone. TiVo will develop the new HD DVR for an expected launch in the second half of 2009."

So right now we're locked out but the landscape will improve in the future.

Re:DirecTV Customers Not Entirely Left Out... (1)

Monoman (8745) | more than 5 years ago | (#26040505)

I believe that announcement said they would have something out by the end of 2009. DirecTV/Tivo DVR was a nice DVR but DTV had to get greedy and switch to an inferior tech.

Not leaving satellite customers in the cold! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26039945)

TiVo and DirectTV used to be in a partner ship but like many big company deals, they had a fight over something and broke up.

Well, not to long ago, they realized how much money they were missing out on, and have re-entered into a contract. So it shouldn't be too long before TiVo releases a new DirecTV HD box.

Sorry DISH Network, no soup for you...

Tried it Out Last Night (2, Informative)

asv108 (141455) | more than 5 years ago | (#26040247)

I tried out the Netflix player on my Tivo HD last night. The picture was very clear on my HDTV, and the sound was pretty good. People want to complain about the selection, but they do have a lot of TV series available for instant viewing. I like the Tivo interface better than the Xbox 360 application. Overall, I'm very impressed, its yet another reason why Tivo is still the best DVR option available.

Lets get Netflix on more devices now (1)

NotWorkSafe (891638) | more than 5 years ago | (#26040523)

Like the PS3
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