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Best Open Source Alternatives To Enterprise Apps

CmdrTaco posted more than 5 years ago | from the what-do-you-think dept.

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PeekAB00 writes "With 2009 IT budgets getting chopped down John Perez came up with this list of 25 best alternatives to enterprise applications (e.g DimDim over Webex, SugarCRM instead of Seibel, Zenoss over HP OpenView). John's list is somewhat eclectic. I am curious to hear what other enterprise (let's be frank ... expensive) apps I can replace this year with open source ones. I am particularly interested in back-up and email archiving suggestions."

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Full text searching engines (4, Interesting)

tcopeland (32225) | more than 5 years ago | (#26075799)

Whatever you've got, consider replacing it with Sphinx [] , which is awesome. I'm using it with Rails and the Ultrasphinx plugin and it's been great - doing excerpts (for example, notice the highlighted results from a search for 'combat' [] ) - was a piece of cake.

Re:Full text searching engines (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26075975)

Or Xapian, which also has a Ruby plugin.

Re:Full text searching engines (1)

El Tonerino (875866) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076033)

Ultrasphinx gives you a limited view of the capabilities too. Playing with the real API is much more powerful.

Re:Full text searching engines (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26076037)

You know who I hate? Brazilians.

Those stinky arrogant Brazilians who think they're god's gift to the Earth and to women. They believe the're badass just because they have capoeira and their women wear obnoxious, stupid-looking Borat-style bikinis. Well, according to the Spanish(and everybody else who knows that Brazilians don't bathe), Brazilians are suracas which means "sur", meaning South as in South America; and "aca" which is a shortened form of the word "caca" which is slang for HUMAN SHIT.

Furthermore, they think they're special because they speak Portuguese instead of Spanish. Why speak a masculine language like the rest of South America does when you can talk like you have a dick in your mouth? For that reason I like to call them "the French of South America".

Re:Full text searching engines (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26076139)

I agree. By: A South American.

Re:Full text searching engines (-1, Offtopic)

theaveng (1243528) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076317)

Since you seem knowledgeable:

I have an old AMD K6 machine (333 megahertz). Would a Linux installation run slower or faster than the current Windows 98 setup?

Re:Full text searching engines (1)

tcopeland (32225) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076457)

> Would a Linux installation run slower or faster than the current Windows 98 setup?

Hm, not sure... probably kind of depends on what stuff you want do with Linux. You might want to turn off all the eye candy and whatnot... it might be usable then...

Re:Full text searching engines (1)

mpapet (761907) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076487)

Faster by far, just don't expect to run gnome or kde desktops, which are the default window manager/desktops in most distros. The more RAM you have the better off you will be. 500MB will do nicely.

Install debian by downloading the CD and burning it: []

Follow these instructions to get an XFCE desktop: []

Re:Full text searching engines (1)

alta (1263) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076509)

If you install a recent distro, probably slower. The recent stuff has all expanded to use newer hardware. If you want to run it as a server or just a console, it would be faster. On the other hand, if you want to look for a distro that's specifically FOR limited hardware (remember they can run linux on PDAs) then that should be very fast. Don't expect to put the newest Ubuntu on there and have a fast machine.

Re:Full text searching engines (1)

rubbsdecvik (1326987) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076513)

Because a new Linux installation has more features than Win98. You're talking about 10 of difference between the two operating systems. What Linux distro are you using? Some are more suited than others for you application

Lame (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26075803)

Really lame. This is more digg material.

Re:Lame (2, Funny)

thtrgremlin (1158085) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076489)

Not sure if that [] would qualify as 'enterprise', but a good suggestion. I think this article would ALSO be popular on digg.

Re:Lame (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26076543)

Mods - wtf? This is the fourth post I've seen today modded redundant that's not. If you think it's crap just mod it overrated or *maybe* flamebait in this case... although that's pushing it.

AMANDA (2, Informative)

BradleyAndersen (1195415) | more than 5 years ago | (#26075825)


geminidomino (614729) | more than 5 years ago | (#26075961)

How well does Amanda work if you're not using a tape backup system?

Re:AMANDA (5, Informative)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076103)

Amanda has support for 'virtual tapes' -- files that hold your backups. You can then burn these virtual tapes to DVD or BD later.


Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26076117)

I use HD -> DVD backups and does the job great.


Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26076309)

simple - you make a set of virtual tapes on your hard drive and use a tape changer glue script as provided by them.


ThogScully (589935) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076321)

The documentation isn't as straightforward, since it assumes you are. But it's not overly complicated from what I've seen. (Disclaimer: I use it with tapes)

Bacula (1)

autocracy (192714) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076147)

Re:Bacula (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26076245) [sourceforge]


Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26076169)

Bacula does it even better, it's comlete enterpise solution for backups. Kinda PITA to configure though.

Bacula (1)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076451)

Amanda had some problems last time I looked. Bacula isn't TSM by any means but it's actually not bad.


norkakn (102380) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076793)

Why AMANDA over bacula? The lack of native clients makes me scared of AMANDA.

Enterprise search (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26075849)

Xapian ( and Flax ( which provides scheduled indexing, file format translation and templated output, based on Xapian. Scalable to hundreds of millions of documents.

SugarCRM is old hat. (3, Informative)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#26075863)

OpenGOO kicks the crap out of SugarCRM when it comes to useability. I was ableto switch an entire office over to it with a crapload of buy-in by the secretaries and other non techie users simply because of how easy it is to use. []

Re:SugarCRM is old hat. (3, Informative)

AnalPerfume (1356177) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076009)

I've only played with OpenGoo on my test server as a single user so far but it impressed me with the speed and ease of use. I expected a word processor through a browser to be slow but it's damn snappy. The presentation suite looks useful too. I did notice a lack of spreadsheet software in the suite (at least for now) but it has the advantage of being able to install on your own server, and therefor keeping Google's greasy paws out of your data. It seemed stable enough too, perhaps I was expecting an early beta project. I can see OpenGoo going from strength to strength as they get more recognition and users.

Re:SugarCRM is old hat. (4, Informative)

jmertic (544942) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076209)

SugarCRM and OpenGoo are entirely different beasts; OpenGoo is Google Apps you can install on your own hardward; while SugarCRM is designed for Sales Force Automation, as well as a platform for design business applications.

That said, SugarCRM is a great platform for building business web applications on to replace aging VB, Foxpro, and other legacy database applications, that can be designed with a point and click interface and extended easily with PHP. I think most of the applications I've done for my previous SMB employer in the past I could have built on SugarCRM is half of the time and with more features.

Re:SugarCRM is old hat. (2, Funny)

rho (6063) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076577) []

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the most cost effective applications on the market (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26075907)

That's what the TFA says.

Strangely they include stuff like vBulletin, which, while open source software, is not free software. Neither beer nor speech.

I wonder how anything with a non-zero pricetag can be more cost-effective than something that costs nothing.

They should have mentioned phpBB instead of vBulletin.

Re:the most cost effective applications on the mar (4, Insightful)

blhack (921171) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076261)

I don't know about now...but I used to monitor bugtraq and it scared me into never, EVER using phpBB.

Re:the most cost effective applications on the mar (2, Insightful)

rodrigoandrade (713371) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076439)

> I wonder how anything with a non-zero pricetag can be more cost-effective than something that costs nothing

Training and support, for starters. You're pretty much on your own on these 2 things when it comes to so called "free" software, and the TCO ends up being more expensive than a paid application.

Re:the most cost effective applications on the mar (2, Informative)

twistedsymphony (956982) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076551)

As someone who maintains several large forums on nearly all of the major forum software I'd stay away from phpbb... it's got a lot of security issues and the administration features are really lacking when compared to the other players.

If you're using it on a intranet server for business collaboration then it'd be fine but as far as putting it on the web, I'd avoid it. I actually just migrated the two phpbb forums I had to vB.

SMF is the other major open source contender and it does somethings better and other things worse than phpbb... I'm still using it for one of my forums but thats only because part of the point of the site is that it's 100% open source so...

Really IPB and vB are both better choices but neither are free. Interesting enough they both USED to be free. It seems that in the forum world once they reach a certain level of usefulness they close those doors and start collecting license fees.

Re:the most cost effective applications on the mar (2, Informative)

TypoNAM (695420) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076665)

Note that SMF (Simple Machines Forum) isn't technically free open source software either. See their license for details: [] .

So they could easily do the same thing and go commercial and non-freely available too without any rights for anybody to fork it later on. Hence why I'm not interested in using their forum for any serious site.

Which Enterprise? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26075909)


Re:Which Enterprise? (1)

Arthur Grumbine (1086397) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076059)

2.0 [] , actually

This one's for you, Scotty (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26076573)

NCC one seven O one. No bloody A, B, C, or D.

Re:Which Enterprise? (4, Funny)

TrekkieGod (627867) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076639)

That would be NCC 1701. No bloody A, B, C, or D. Or even E.

Database Sofware (5, Informative)

Andr T. (1006215) | more than 5 years ago | (#26075933)

Why only MySQL? PostgreSQL is a big competitor.

Re:Database Sofware (4, Funny)

AndrewNeo (979708) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076107)

Because nobody wants a LAPP stack, that just sounds silly.

Re:Database Sofware (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26076319)

I'd also argue for FreeBSD over Linux.

Everyone likes a good FAPP stack.

Re:Database Sofware (1)

norkakn (102380) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076809)

But you could always LARP. People seem to like that for some ungodly reason.

OpenOffice works on Windows??? (4, Funny)

theaveng (1243528) | more than 5 years ago | (#26075939)

I wish someone had told me that sooner.

I was led to believe I had to install Linux *first* before I could use OpenOffice. Now that makes me wonder what other free alternatives exist for common applications - like PowerPoint. Why waste money buying expensive software when I can just use zero-cost alternatives?

Re:OpenOffice works on Windows??? (3, Funny)

Andr T. (1006215) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076001)

Don't you know that Linux runs on top of Windows [] ? Someone mentioned it yesterday. It should be easy to install!

(ok... are you for real? OpenOffice HAS a Powerpoint replacement)

Re:OpenOffice works on Windows??? (1)

theaveng (1243528) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076085)

Microsoft just spent $9 billion and many years to create Vista, so it does not sound reasonable that some new alternative could just snap into existence overnight like that. IBM tried, and spent a huge amount of money developing OS/2 but could never keep up with Windows.

Apple tried to create their own system for years, but finally gave up recently and moved to Intel and Microsoft. Its just not possible that a freeware like the Linux could be extended to the point where it runs the entire computer fron start to finish, without using some of the more critical parts of windows. Not possible.

Is this a joke?

Re:OpenOffice works on Windows??? (1)

Andr T. (1006215) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076199)

It seems a very well written troll.

It's astroturf. (3, Informative)

Benanov (583592) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076583)

It is a very well written troll.


Visit jerryleecooper .com (link busted on purpose) for more trolls in the same vein. Looks like astroturf.

Re:OpenOffice works on Windows??? (1)

thtrgremlin (1158085) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076657)

Would you really believe that someone that knows that little knowledge of Linux would have such (relatively) intimate knowledge of OS/2? That was the complete give away. Not to mention I think when tech people say things anywhere in the realm of 'critical parts', non-computer people start to glaze over. I know much smarter people than the one portrayed here that doesn't even know there are "parts" to what he is describing.

Re:OpenOffice works on Windows??? (2, Interesting)

theaveng (1243528) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076007)

I don't see any FPGA development suites listed on Mr. Perez's homepage. At $10,000 per package I guess that's not something programmers are willing to just give away.

Re:OpenOffice works on Windows??? (1)

JPeMu (942971) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076581)

I'd be real interested in this myself. As I am only a hobbyist in this regard, anything >$0 is too much for me to spend on this right now. gEDA is real interesting for basic EDA stuff, but without wishing to sound ungrateful, I found it too disjointed and unstable for my taste - perhaps that has changed since I last tried it?

Re:OpenOffice works on Windows??? (2, Funny)

niteice (793961) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076051)

Someone tell me that parent is not serious.

Re:OpenOffice works on Windows??? (5, Funny)

thtrgremlin (1158085) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076663)

The parent is not serious.

Re:OpenOffice works on Windows??? (0)

NineNine (235196) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076091)

Are you serious, or are you an advertisement for some kind of open source advocacy group?

Re:OpenOffice works on Windows??? (4, Informative)

glop (181086) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076129)

Open Office contains Impress which is comparable to Powerpoint. Animated slides/drawings are much easier to do on Impress than on Powerpoint at the time I used both.

Re:OpenOffice works on Windows??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26076507)

this is twitter bait isn't it?

Re:OpenOffice works on Windows??? (2, Funny)

JCSoRocks (1142053) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076611)

Didn't you read the articles from yesterday's slashdot? There's no such thing as free software. That's a harmful lie and it shouldn't be spread. Now hand over that pirated CD.

Re:OpenOffice works on Windows??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26076799)

ok, seriously, wtf is with all the OO.o love? I understand it's probably the best linux office suite (though abiword is a WAY better word processor imo), but seriously, it cannot compete with MS office.

OO.o is certainly better than nothing, and acceptable for writing a 10th grade english essay, but it just does not have the feature set or usability to compete with office 200-3/7/8 for "serious" work.

If my job necessitated I use an office suite for the better part of my workday, and they gave me openoffice, I'd shoot myself. (or *gasp* spend the absolutely horrific $500 on an un-discounted, single seat license for 2007 pro.)

Jira sucks.... (1)

HerculesMO (693085) | more than 5 years ago | (#26075955)

Just wanted to say :)

And this is coming from a person who already hates Remedy :p

Re:Jira sucks.... (1)

Talsan (515546) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076233)

Agreed. Their help desk solution - Footprints - is just as bad, if not worse. If you're not willing to pay for a decent tool, at least go open source so you can make the modifications necessary to come up with something usable.

Re:Jira sucks.... (1)

alta (1263) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076623)

have either of you tried Kayako? I'm using it, not because I think it's great, but because it fit the bill at the time, was not too expensive ($500) and I didn't have time to look for something else. I am very interested in something that's better. But I'm not going to move to something that, graphically, is CRAP. (OTRS)

MailArchiva (1)

redmond (611823) | more than 5 years ago | (#26075959)

For email archiving, you should look at MailArchiva. I've only been using it for a few months, but I am happy with it. I am using the free version which has some limitations. If you need more features, they have a commercial version available also. []

Yea kind a lame list. (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076017)

"MySQL - The best and most cost effective choice for a free SQL/Database environment that needs to be hosted in the cloud."
Hosted in a CLOUD!!!!
Hey MySQL is actually a good choice for a lot of uses but then so is Postgres. I have not done much with FireBird.
And for Content managment they left out Drupal and Zope.
And just putting Linux down for the server... Grrr...
What kind of server? Yes as a server OS a flavor of Linux is a good choice but some are better then other.
I wouldn't pick say Fedora for a server. I would choose CentOS.
If apt-get is your thing then Ubuntu Server or Debian would be a better selection the Ubuntu.
There is of course always Slackware as well.
If I was going to build a NAS then I would look at OpenFiler.
And to be honest Solaris is a very tempting choice for a server thanks to ZFS.
Ond of course FreeBSD and OpenBSD are good options as well.
Just saying Linux is a real cope out.

NOT all open source (5, Insightful)

lophophore (4087) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076021)

Uhhh, a lot of the solutions mentioned in TFA are not open source, but they are cheaper than their more expensive competition. i.e. Basecamp, dimdim, etc. are not open source..

OTOH, SugarCRM, asterisk, open office are open source, free in both senses.

Anyway, an interesting list...

Re:NOT all open source (4, Informative)

chill (34294) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076195)

DimDim went GPL and you can download the source from their website.

Bacula is an outstanding cross platform solution (3, Informative)

leereyno (32197) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076025)

If you're looking to back up Unix, Mac, and Windows systems, then check out Bacula:

I've got this running on 7 systems at work. Some use tapes, while others back up to a RAID array. It is fast, stable, and robust. It does not rely on Samba, NFS, or any other services. It has its own file and storage daemons. It will also do VSS backups of Windows clients, allowing open files to be backed up.

Re:Bacula is an outstanding cross platform solutio (2, Informative)

lymond01 (314120) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076765)

It has a little friend (I'd say brother, but they aren't in any way related) called Backuppc which does disk-to-disk backups. It won't natively back up open Windows files, so database dumps or VSS scripting is needed.

It does, however, do pooling (industry calls it deduplication). I have the equivalent of 9 TB of backups (2 months of weekly fulls and daily incrementals) stored on less than one TB of space. The actual amount of raw data being backed is about 1.5 TB: 558 GB compressed and 188 GB uncompressed on disk (746 GB).

Bacula doesn't do deduplication so its d2d capabilities are limited. But its tape abilities are comparable to anything out there (if you don't mind losing the GUI).

Check the costs (4, Interesting)

kiwimate (458274) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076053)

We are migrating a whole bunch of sites away from eRoom because it's so expensive. (I didn't know it was open source, but the guy who brought it into our enterprise is a huge proponent of open source. He has rapidly lost interest in it over the past 12 months, mainly because it was a headache to administer and an embarrassment in a business sense because of the costs.)

Open source or not, I don't particularly care; I'm interested in doing the best thing for the business. In this case, eRoom is so expensive as to be unjustifiable, and we're realizing substantial cost savings by migrating to a closed source solution.

Bottom line: eRoom may (or may not) be a good technical solution, but I'm amused by seeing it in an article about using open source alternatives to save money.

Re:Check the costs (1)

theaveng (1243528) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076183)

Why would Eroom be more expensive than the closed-source software?

Re:Check the costs (2, Insightful)

kiwimate (458274) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076493)

{Glib answer #1} Because it's owned by Documentum.
{Glib answer #2, but also serious} Why wouldn't it be? Just because it's open source doesn't automatically make it cheap/free.

Forum software enterprise, but no Exchange? (2, Interesting)

NineNine (235196) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076067)

Seems like it was a stretch. Community and forum software as "enterprise"? Uh, no. I desperately need an open source alternative to Exchange/Outlook and point of sale software for my business.

Re:Forum software enterprise, but no Exchange? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26076237)

There is an Open Source Exchange/Outlook alternative:

Re:Forum software enterprise, but no Exchange? (4, Informative)

corbettw (214229) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076391)

Take a look at Zimbra. They have a free version and a licensed (read: supported) version, and because the client is written in AJAX it'll work in most every modern browser. They also have connectors for Outlook and Evolution, and I think Thunderbird, if you'd rather not use a web client.

Zimbra is so good, I'm shocked it wasn't on his list. The one caveat is it's owned by Yahoo!, so if they either go away (doesn't seem likely) or do get bought out by Microsoft (also doesn't seem likely at this time), the support for it may disappear. But then, it's open source, it'll never really die, will it?

Re:Forum software enterprise, but no Exchange? (1)

josmar52789 (1152461) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076653)

Try Zimbra - it's a perfect replacement for Exchange.

I believe xTuple has a point-of-sale application that you can install in addition or in place of the full application.

Re:Forum software enterprise, but no Exchange? (1)

jshackles (957031) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076655) []

Zimbra is great, even though they're owned by Yahoo now. For a little bit of money you can even buy a license for an Outlook connector and the people who use Exchange now won't even know the difference.

Re:Forum software enterprise, but no Exchange? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26076671)

True open source exchange replacement ain't easiest to find.

eGroupware 1.6.x & Thunderbird (boosted with Lightning calendar and Funambol mozilla plugin to do SyncML on contacts & calendar) & SyncML capable mobile phones is what we are using quite successfully.

Zarafa & Zimbra & Scalix are alternatives too IF you are ready to pay for advanced options.

Re:Forum software enterprise, but no Exchange? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26076777)

I haven't used it yet, but Citadel is often touted as the piece you're looking for.

Other ways to cut costs (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26076109)

Lets take the example of an expensive e-mail archiving app. How are they billing you?

If it's per e-mail address, then pair employees and have them share the same e-mail address. Costs cut in half.

If it's per e-mail, then tell employees to always send 2 messages at a time, concatenated.

If it's per MB, then ask your employees to mail less.

If it's a flat rate for the whole company, then pair employees with another company, and have them share the same e-mail address.

Re:Other ways to cut costs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26076289)

Or: Don't Archive. Don't use e-mail.

BIRT Over Crappy COGNOS (2, Informative)

curmudgeon99 (1040054) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076145)

[This may be tangential to Enterprise Apps.]

If you're developing an Enterprise App in Java, for example, you often end up with some requirement to add reporting to the system. There are several approaches and all of them come with costs and pain. Having been the proud owner of several batches of these requirements, I have experience to offer a relevant point of view. To wit:

You need to write a custom meta-data-driven reporting system:

  • You can write your own. That means you handle everything from the dynamic queries to the data formatting, paging, column-click sorting, etc have fun.
  • You can choose that expensive, bloated behemoth Crystal Reports, that runs like a pig and is proprietary and sucks uniformly.
  • You can choose that expensive, slow, complex to build, ball-of-pus called COGNOS, and pay for the COGNOS consultant that comes along with it.
  • You can use that free, open source Java framework called BIRT, that does have its complexities but in fact is pretty easy to use and interact with.

Re:BIRT Over Crappy COGNOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26076691)

Except that it runs under Eclipse.

Re:BIRT Over Crappy COGNOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26076717)

and Jasper Reports?

Can't take recommendations seriously (1, Insightful)

mlwmohawk (801821) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076275)

Recommending MySQL is just stupid. Not only is its development at Sun in question, it is a poor excuse as a replacement for a commercial database.

As the MySQL fanbois are used to saying, "MySQL is good enough for what I do," a commercial database is held, and rightly so, to a higher standard to which MySQL fails miserably to measure. Yea, sure, the MySQL guys can cook single instance benchmarks that look impressive, but the scalability, reliability, and feature set lack on a professional level.

I don't even need to say which is the better alternative because everyone knows what it is. Since the guy recommends MySQL, this means he didn't evaluate the application space well enough to make the recommendations he does.

Re:Can't take recommendations seriously (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076485)

I think your right but a bit harsh on MySQL. There are tasks that MySQL is great for. However to only mention MySQl is a massive over site. Postgres and Firebird are other options that may be a better solution for some tasks.
I am a big Postgres fan but MySQL and even SQLLite can be very useful tools.

Re:Can't take recommendations seriously (4, Interesting)

TwinkieStix (571736) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076579)

Interesting. Tell that to Flickr, Facebook, Wikipedia, Google, Nokia and YouTube. Or, how about Slashdot and Digg - capable of bringing down moderately sized web sites with the click of a million mice?

Check out: [] [] []

Just as a single example, what kind of scalability do most people need beyond Facebook and Wikipedia. I work for a very large internet company that has standardized on Oracle, and we have several well-paid DBAs who spend all day monitoring and tweaking our database servers. My previous job was a different large company that used MySQL as a back end for a very similar infrastructure (Java EE, Spring, Hibernate, Clustered in a similar way) with not a single full-time DBA (the helpdesk manager was the only real DBA other than the deployment engineers).

Now, I'm not a professional DBA. I'm just a programmer, but I was one of the maintainers of the MySQL server (I don't get to touch the Oracle servers here except on my local developers instance). I can tell you from personal experience that MySQL is easier to maintain and administer, faster to start up, and requires far fewer system resources to keep going. Judging by just the performance of Wikipedia and Facebook, it seems to perform quite well under heavy load. So, please tell me what basis you have to place MySQL out of the elite top-tier of database servers?

Re:Can't take recommendations seriously (1)

Thyamine (531612) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076677)

I would agree. I can't say that I'm familiar with any other open source/free/whatever you want to call it database solutions, but I've used MS SQL Server and MySQL, and I always find myself annoyed at MySQL in general. For the most part I've inherited any MySQL install, so perhaps the previous dev/admin did a poor job in configuring the setups but I've never been happy to have to develop with or admin a MySQL install.

I'm not a Microsoft fanboy by any stretch of the imagination, but I find their management tools (yes GUI based) to be much more intuitive. And before I get flamed, yes, you can do it all with SQL queries and such from the command-line, but that's not my preference for trying to make what should be simple or quick changes in the GUI.

Wrong link for sugarcrm (1)

houghi (78078) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076299) [] is the right one.

Re:Wrong link for sugarcrm (1)

JCSoRocks (1142053) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076685)

No it's not. 403 forbidden.

we haven't bought any software in 15 years (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26076343)

& everything is working just fine/better than ever.

phpdhcpadmin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26076405)

phpdhcpadmin (on sourceforge) as a replacement for RedHat or Microsoft dhcp administration utilities.

I would like to see my work... (1)

thtrgremlin (1158085) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076459)

replace Blackboard [] with Moodle [] . When I was first starting to learn php, found moodle really easy to customize, in addition to just being great running on default. Nothing that NEEDS to be configured much to get started any more than Blackboard. Blackboard does provide hosting, but at an outrageous rate that is not really a 'hosting' price. On the other hand I have gotten many more teachers to use the Blackboard system just telling them how much the district spends per year just to have the service available.

On a side note, when the tubes came to the district, one high school hired a bunch of IT people, and the other had an industry experienced teacher run several classes that had students expand and maintain the network. The student run network was quite superior. In 1998 they managed to get an OC3 line DONATED by a local company, and a partial Class B Internet license, just to name a few things. Downtime was negligible and never during school hours. While the 'professional' school dwindled with poor service, and just the local service paid for by the school, the student run program was scraped after 4 years when students that graduated had not documented their code. It was mostly customized FreeBSD setup. (The other school was using NT4). Rather than addressing the issue with the teacher, program was terminated permanently. They hired a bunch of techs to take their place, and within about 2 years they decided it was too expensive and now there are some 6 people that go around fixing problems for the whole district.

And THIS in Silicon Valley!

I may have missed some of the details of all what happened, but I do know the kids today don't know hardly anything about computers other than how to play video games, but props to the few that can customize a myspace page. Now, email or Internet access in general is out every few days for up to several hours. Rarely, but a few times, it has been out every day for about 2 hours in the morning for a week+.

Too bad something like technology can't be used directly to teach students about the modern world, like, the technology itself while making money to have a quality infrastructure. Oh well.

Just to note, I asked the IT staff about OpenOffice, because I heard they were having major budget problems, and they said that they did a 'trial run' and for too many teachers they concluded the transition would be too difficult, and too many teachers couldn't figure it out. They are going to transition to Office 2007 instead for all the computer labs (eventually as they can afford it). I stopped making suggestions after that.

Anyway, shout out to Moodle for anyone interested in education. It is simple enough I would recommend it to (tech savvy) parents to use at home to manage their kids homework and chores, just as an idea.

Glassfish/OpenMQ instead of Websphere/WebsphereMQ? (2, Interesting)

kbrasee (1379057) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076483)

I've often wondered if Glassfish app server and OpenMQ messaging are viable alternatives (in realibility, performance and features) to IBM's Websphere and Websphere MQ. That would save a bunch of money right there, but it's got to be a huge battle switching an existing IBM system (and add-ons to that system) over to the open source alternatives.

quickbooks? (1)

lophophore (4087) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076515)

our small business uses Quickbooks for accounting.

I'm not sure whether I hate Quickbooks or Intuit (the vendor) more.

Is there a decent open source business accounting package that our accountant can deal with?

We are using it for invoicing, accounts receivable, check register, etc. Nothing fancy.

Re:quickbooks? (2, Interesting)

josmar52789 (1152461) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076591)

Try xTuple.... Has a lot of the same user-friendliness as Quickbooks - but doesn't lack features like some other accounting/sales/CRM/inventory systems.

It's enterprise-class and you can buy support from the vendor.

The Two Most Important & Missing Open-Source A (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26076533)

Adobe Acrobat and AutoCad.

These two applications are used prolifically. They are also practically the exclusive editing applications for .pdf and .dwg files, respectively.

These kinds of files are used every day by a huge number of people who have no choice but to buy the proprietary software for editing these file extensions. It would be a boon and a blessing for someone to develop a open-source system that could replace these programs.

If someone does I would make a donation, that's how much I think this is needed.

Open Source Solutions (4, Informative)

josmar52789 (1152461) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076549)

OpenOffice instead of MS Office

7-zip instead of WinZip

Alfresco for document management and workflow

Zimbra (or Google Apps) instead of Exchange

Firefox instead of IE (yeah, you'll save money by not having to remove all the magically installing spyware)

MySQL or PostgreSQL instead of MSSQL (come on people, open source is about choice - use whatever open source dbms you want and quit fussing!)

xTuple instead of Quickbooks (great enterprise-class accounting/sales/CRM/inventory software that can truly rival the "polished quality" of Quickbooks with pretty much the same features)

Microsoft Project (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26076605)

Does any one know of a good alternative to Microsoft Project? I am working on a small (academic) practicum project with a constraint that no money is to be spent on acquiring software. I tried OpenProject [] but that seems to have quite a few rough edges. Any other alternatives?

I'll throw OpenNetAdmin in to compete with QIP (1)

hornet136 (1421335) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076647)

I'll throw out [] as a competitor to Lucent/Vital QIP. Its still in early stages but already can handle DNS and DHCP quite well. It even blends to other facets of your network configuration such as routers/switches.

I would retitle this... (1)

deviator (92787) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076697)

"Least-Bad Alternatives to Enterprise Apps."

Everything that's mentioned on this list has some Achilles heel--though it's suitable for some purposes it's not an exact replacement for what's mentioned.

Many of the "geekier" replacements (i.e. Digium which is actually Asterisk) have hidden admin costs. OpenOffice has hidden training costs (and frankly, every non-technical person we've put in front of it hates it--they all want Office 2007.) The ticketing systems are pretty lightweight. SugarCRM is pretty lightweight. MySQL doesn't scale. BaseCamp is simplistic as far as project management goes (and it's not open source?)

Open Source and free apps have been around for decades - yet there's a reason companies still get away with *charging lots of money* for enterprise apps...

I own a small Managed Service Provider in Seattle. I've wanted to use open source for years as much as possible--but the commercial alternatives have always been better fits for our needs and our customers' needs.

a critical application for our enterprise (4, Funny)

Luyseyal (3154) | more than 5 years ago | (#26076791)

I am hoping someone can suggest a replacement for "Hello World" which, according to our engineers, is a critical application for our enterprise.


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