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Broadband Access Without the Pork?

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the yessir-that's-the-mandatory-federal-barbeque-fee dept.

The Internet 412

An anonymous reader writes "Like many consumers nowadays, I find more of my time spent on the internet and various wireless devices (e.g. mobile phone). This has gotten to the point where I basically do not use a landline or cable television anymore, and they are essentially pork on my broadband bill, which further subjects the consumer to all sorts of clandestine fees that aren't disclosed until the first bill arrives and add a non-trivial sum (in my case, nearly 100%) to the monthly rate. However, it seems that all broadband access providers have this stipulation, that an internet customer must first have a basic phone or cable TV service in order to sign on for the internet service. Are there any ISPs that can get around this and still deliver broadband internet service at a competitive rate?"

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Yeah, there are (4, Funny)

GMonkeyLouie (1372035) | more than 5 years ago | (#26080629)

My neighbors' wi-fi access point provides internet access for me without me having to pay for TV or landline access, like you said. I don't even have to pay for the internet, which I actually use!

I recommend everyone switch to this kind of ISP.

Re:Yeah, there are (5, Funny)

CaptainPatent (1087643) | more than 5 years ago | (#26080819)

I finally convinced everyone in my apartment to switch...

We're getting a strange "limited or no connectivity" problem now.

Re:Yeah, there are (2, Interesting)

Tuidjy (321055) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081005)

You may be onto something. I have never had cable, and I have broadband with Time Warner (used to be something else, but they got bought out). The bill is about thirty bucks and I do not pay for cable, but almost every day around 00:30-01:30, I lose connection for sometimes an hour at a time.

Re:Yeah, there are (2, Funny)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#26080953)

Dammit! So that's why my Internet access has been so slow lately! Does anyone know how to configure WPA2 personal?

Re:Yeah, there are (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26081003)

You're kidding, but this is actually a good idea. I pay for broadband and then only use it to surf the web and check email for an hour or two per day. It doesn't make sense for me and all of my neighbors to do that when we could share a single connection.

Re:Yeah, there are (3, Informative)

internic (453511) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081411)

I think that's true in many cases. Like I said in reply to the parent, that's why I think the Netshare program [] my ISP (Speakeasy) runs is cool. The only problems are that a) Speakeasy isn't cheap and b) you then have to get your neighbors interested/convince them it's not some kind of scam.

Re:Yeah, there are (4, Informative)

Snowblindeye (1085701) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081017)

Comcast certainly offers Internet access without TV, I have several friends using it that way.

AT&T offers the same for DSL, though they don't really advertise it: [] []

As always, Google is your friend.

Re:Yeah, there are (3, Informative)

PortHaven (242123) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081167)

No Comcast does not...

They offer the service, but they tack an additional fee for those who do not subscribe to cable TV that is $2 less than getting basic cable service.

Re:Yeah, there are (1)

amishjim (914034) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081207)

Comcast also charges you a fee if you are not a cable customer.

Nope (3, Informative)

BarryJacobsen (526926) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081329)

From the linked article:

Customers must also order phone service to get the budget-priced DSL service; those looking for cheap, naked DSL should look elsewhere.

Netshare (1)

internic (453511) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081337)

Interestingly, if your neighbors had their broadband through Speakeasy you could be doing this on the up and up through their Netshare program [] , because it some cases this probably is a practical solution.

Unfortunately, innovative offerings come through competition, and with high speed broadband moving increasingly toward cable and phone companies' offerings (i.e., cable and fiber) you'll be dealing with local monopolies who have no real incentive to offer you those sorts of options.

Re:Yeah, there are (2, Funny)

mi (197448) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081363)

This has gotten to the point where I basically do not use a landline or cable television anymore

Paying for fresh water and sanitation seems quite redundant too. Eew, what unclean, last-millennium atavisms!

You're Welcome (4, Insightful)

TheNinjaroach (878876) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081463)

As a paying broadband subscriber who intentionally leaves my AP unsecured, I say you're welcome. I'm too worried about getting a good wireless signal to borrow my neighbors connection, but as long as they aren't greedy with bandwidth I don't mind sharing my own. Sure there are risks involved and I do have to boot a MAC address every now and then for abuse, but I genuinely don't mind sharing my connection with as many neighbors as I can reach.

The more people I can help without noticing a big hit in performance, the better. So internet service is free, in my neighborhood anyways.

Yes, you can borrow a cup of sugar, too.

Speakeasy (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26080655)

Speakeasy provides me with naked DSL.

Re:Speakeasy (4, Funny)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#26080793)

Speakeasy provides me with naked DSL.

See what I mean? The Internet is for porn!

Re:Speakeasy (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26081565)

Read the thread title, the OP was asking for internet WITHOUT pork.

Re:Speakeasy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26081013)

Speakeasy provides me with naked DSL.

1) I don't want to buy my internet service from Best Buy
2) The "naked" Speakeasy service costs more than a barebones localcalls-only phoneline + DSL does from Verizon.
3) I don't want to buy my internet service from Best Buy

Re:Speakeasy (3, Informative)

ClintJCL (264898) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081493)

in my pricing experiences, which have been many -- naked costs $10 an extra per month regardless of provider.

Re:Speakeasy (1)

Hordeking (1237940) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081483)

Speakeasy provides me with naked DSL.

Do you think it will be possible for me to convince them to provide me with naked girls?

(Sigh) (4, Insightful)

McNally (105243) | more than 5 years ago | (#26080661)

I've long maintained that learning how to ask questions properly is a big part of getting a useful response.

Apropos of which, positing a question that is highly location-specific in a global forum and then not specifying one's location is an excellent way to get no useful responses whatsoever.

Re:(Sigh) (4, Funny)

mac1235 (962716) | more than 5 years ago | (#26080755)

Oh come on! Cybersmart covers ALL of South Africa!

Re:(Sigh) (5, Funny)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 5 years ago | (#26080939)

Oh come on! Télébec covers ALL the rural areas of Québec!

Re:(Sigh) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26081195)

Except all the small towns that are too far for DSL, one of which I live in btw.

Re:(Sigh) (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081341)

No DSL here either, but they offer high-speed via cable.

Re:(Sigh) (5, Funny)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081069)

From the title of the post, I think it's pretty clear that the submitter is from somewhere in the Middle East.

Re:(Sigh) (0, Redundant)

_Hiro_ (151911) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081277)

Oh come on! Time Warner covers ALL of Akron!

Re:(Sigh) (3, Funny)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081359)

I think it's safe to assume he's in the US, considering that this site is not really very international at all, and that he's talking about the US Federal Subscriber Line Charge.

That said, maybe he's planning to move specifically to stop getting ripped off. Crazier things have happened.

Re:(Sigh) (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26081571)

> I think it's safe to assume he's in the US, considering that he's a fat,
> retarded cunt who doesn't even understand the concept of other countries.
> Has he visited one? LOL!


Charter (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26080673)

Charter Communications does not require cable TV service for their internet plans. And the rates are pretty good too, IMO.

Re:Charter (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26081211)

...right up until the promotion period ends after 6 months, and $30 a month turns into $60 a month

some yes some no (2, Informative)

zeldor (180716) | more than 5 years ago | (#26080681)

some broadband places may give you a cheaper rate with such pork but not
all of them require it. Also some dsl providers do offer dry pair (or naked)
dsl, but only if you ask. Some digging may be required on your part.

Re:some yes some no (0)

rudeboy1 (516023) | more than 5 years ago | (#26080799)

AT&T UVerse does not require a phone line for DSL, though I believe you still have to purchase TV service.

Try Dry loop DSL (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26080695)

I got dry-loop DSL through AT&T. It was a pain to convince them why, but after the third time I tried what one of the articles on the consumerist recommended - going directly to retention dept - and that got everything rolling. The price is slighly more without phone for same DSL service, but overall without phone line my total bill is less than what it would have been with phone.

Re:Try Dry loop DSL (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081445)

AT&T has dry-loop DSL? I'm paing +$10ish for a phone line ($5 through AT&T, $5ish for government 'fees' ... taxes ...), and I was not aware that they would do it without the phone line. I know Verizon did, but didn't know AT&T did.

Move (2, Informative)

conner_bw (120497) | more than 5 years ago | (#26080701)

In Montreal, QC, canada you can avoid paying by finding an apartment / house near an access point [] .

ISPs (2, Informative)

amurenbeeld (993817) | more than 5 years ago | (#26080705)

Bell Sympatico, Rogers, Cogeco, and Telus all offer internet only solutions.

Re:ISPs (1)

Pandora's Vox (231969) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081309)

and don't forget teksavvy, canada's net neutrality wunderkinds :)

Verizon Fios if available (4, Informative)

prestonmichaelh (773400) | more than 5 years ago | (#26080707)

I have Verizon Fios 10Mbps up / 2 Mbps down with no other services from them. They also do DSL without phone lines and the only thing you miss out on cost wise is that you start paying the "normal" price right away instead of a 6 month promo price that is then raised to the "normal" price. Of course, if you don't live in Verizon territory, this is completely meaningless.

Road Runner (4, Informative)

Phreakiture (547094) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081439)

If your local Cable provider is Time-Warner, you can order Road Runner by itself. I can state this authoritatively, because Road Runner is my current ISP. I pay $45/month (though this is going up to $50 next month) and no additional taxes or fees. I am not paying for cable TV because I am not buying cable TV. This has been my arrangement since 2001.

Re:Road Runner (2, Informative)

Curien (267780) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081549)

I can confirm this. I technically go through Earthlink, but they just re-sell RoadRunner service here, and I pay the same rate ($42/mo + tax) as normal RR customers in my area. I've heard that some people with this service end up getting some cable channels for free, but I've never bothered checking.

AT&T and DSL without local phone (4, Informative)

Twanfox (185252) | more than 5 years ago | (#26080711)

In my area and within the past two years, AT&T has decided to begin offering DSL without local phone service. Their highest speed plan is about $10 more than if you get it with local phone service, but even still it is only $45. Two years ago when I looked at Comcast in my area, it would've been $54 at least for me to have internet service alone.

Re:AT&T and DSL without local phone (3, Interesting)

maxume (22995) | more than 5 years ago | (#26080971)

In my area, AT&T offers to punch you in the face (that is, there aren't enough people around for them to bother upgrading infrastructure to support DSL, so dial-up and satellite are the options; it's hard to complain too loudly, because it is clear that it isn't worth it to them, but that is what those stupid gub'mint fees are for...).

Re:AT&T and DSL without local phone (2, Insightful)

Eunuchswear (210685) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081527)

it's hard to complain too loudly, because it is clear that it isn't worth it to them, but that is what those stupid gub'mint fees are for...

Is this why Americans are always whining that government is usless? Because they just lay there while they're being raped thinking of liberteria?

I'ts hard to complain about getting poor service from a monopoly supplier 'cos I've already paid for it,

Grow some balls.

Re:AT&T and DSL without local phone (1)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081539)

AT&T and Verizon are legally required to sell you naked DSL.

Most smaller companies will also offer it (if there are any left!). Speakeasy's expensive, but is supposedly one of the best ISPs around.

Get (A)DSL over a "dry loop" (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26080739)

Where I live in S. California, Verizon is required to provide dry loops to residences if requested. That is, I have a copper pair which Verizon has provided but overwhich no POTS runs. Just
ADSL. ADSL provided by LinkLine communications with ~7.x
Mbps down, 768 Kbps up.

Sure (1)

rlp (11898) | more than 5 years ago | (#26080771)

Most telcos will be happy to sell you a T1 line without having to purchase cable TV or phone service.

Some cable providers will sell you internet only (2, Informative)

Revek (133289) | more than 5 years ago | (#26080773)

The cable company I work for will sell you a internet only account. They do however charge you a $10.00 fee on top of your internet bill.

dry loop (5, Informative)

rodrigo1979 (255519) | more than 5 years ago | (#26080781)

If your area is served by AT&T, ask for a dry-loop DSL line.
it's the same thing, just no dial-tone on the line.
I just got the Elite (up to 6Mbps down/ 768Kbps up) for 35.00 a month.

Comcast (1)

callinyouin (1138469) | more than 5 years ago | (#26080817)

I don't have cable TV and I have Internet access, although I'd have to say I'm getting ripped off. It's around 50 dollars per month (it comes to around $53), and the speed I get is horribly slow. My only other options would be to move or get AT&T, which is even worse.

Comcast in Portland Oregon (1)

Version6 (44041) | more than 5 years ago | (#26080861)

Despite the service issues, Comcast does provide broadband service (at least in the Portland area) without either cable TV or telephone services. I don't reach the data transfer caps (which are finally explicit) and I've solved the email alias problems by using gmail (Comcast frequently refuses mail from email forwarding services as spam). I'd love to have some true competition, but I do get relatively reliable broadband service from Comcast without any other services.

Publicity warning: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26080865)

Cogeco has best of breed quality broadband internet competitive in the entire price range.

Teksavvy in Canada (3, Informative)

debrain (29228) | more than 5 years ago | (#26080871)

... offers Dry-Loop DSL for $30 per month, plus the cost of the copper line at around $9.00 a month.

In .nl (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26080877)

XS4ALL sells broadband for 20Euro/month and for 5 Euros extra unlimited phone calls within EU.

ISP in Norway (1)

Narpak (961733) | more than 5 years ago | (#26080889)

Living in Norway all the ISPs provide internet without needing anything else (cable/phone). Personally I have a 12mb line.

Dear Anonymous (0, Redundant)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 5 years ago | (#26080893)

We can't help you with known options if you don't tell us where you live.

Time Warner/Earth link (2, Informative)

jag7720 (685739) | more than 5 years ago | (#26080901)

I use Earth Link cable which is just resold Time warner and that is all... no cable TV no land line $41.95/mo

Re:Time Warner/Earth link (1)

the darn (624240) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081231)

This is the option I came in to mention. It's a pretty sweet deal, although I often forget that Earthlink is the provider, as I don't use the included email addresses and the billing is through TW, so I practically never see "Earthlink" in relation to my connectivity.

Tethering (1)

SpectreBlofeld (886224) | more than 5 years ago | (#26080915)

I tether using my Verizon Blackberry as a modem. It's only 15 bucks on top of the normal Blackberry plan and allows me to use my laptop anywhere. The EVDO speeds are fast enough to, say, stream YouTube videos without buffering, but downloading large files can be a pain as you'll rarely get a download speed above 75k or so. Still, it's pretty cheap addition if you already have a PDA/Blackberry plan and the mobility is the best thing about it.

Impossible to answer (4, Informative)

Free the Cowards (1280296) | more than 5 years ago | (#26080931)

I know that both Verizon and Comcast offer no-strings-attached DSL/cable (at least in my area), although Comcast has a surcharge for TV-less internet that slightly exceeds the cost of their $15/month basic cable package, making it slightly absurd.

However this is all a bit pointless as we have no idea where you are and therefore have no idea what ISPs you can subscribe to. Seriously, wtf? There are no global ISPs. If you're being typically US-centric (nothing really wrong with that here) there still are no national US ISPs. So the question is stupid.

Re:Impossible to answer (1)

JayAitch (1277640) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081413)

Some how I got out of paying that $15 surcharge for Comcast. I started my service on a $19.99 a month promotion for 6 months. Currently my bill is somewhere around $45 a month for Internet only even after the promotional price went away.

Brighthouse - Cox (1)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 5 years ago | (#26080935)

In Orlando, Florida I have Brighthouse high speed - no other services. In Phoenix, Arizona I did the same with Cox - though eventually I picked up their phone service too since it was a good deal, but initially I only used them for internet.

Verizon BroadbandAccess (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26080955)

I have Verizon BroadbandAccess, which is wireless via a USB modem. This service is separate from my regular Verizon cell phone service. About $59/mo for 5GB/month. AT&T offers a competitive service.

Speakeasy (1)

Dynedain (141758) | more than 5 years ago | (#26080989)

Not sure if you are in their service area, but Speakeasy offers "One-Link" which is DSL that does not require a landline with a dialtone, only the physical wires.

I've been using it for years and am down to just cellphone + dsl for my telecom bills.

Re:Speakeasy (1)

scapermoya (769847) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081155)

i second that. they offer the best DSL i have ever used with minimal BS. my experience with speakeasy in the past (i moved out of their coverage area) has been nothing short of stellar.

A better question is (1)

abfan1127 (784663) | more than 5 years ago | (#26080995)

what ISPs require a phone line? I have never heard of that being a requirement. The only reason I could think of is a DSL ISP, but even then I think Qwest will sell you internet without the phone line.

Sure, use Aster or UPC or Multimedia or... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26080999)

...any other provider.

If you want more specific help, specify your location.

Verizon DSL and Comcast Cable Internet (1)

theaveng (1243528) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081023)


They charge $15 a month for internet. The phone is required since DSL uses the lines, however by downgrading to "pay per call" service I reduced my bill to about $6 a month for the phone. That's $21 total.


As far as I know they provide internet without the requirement for TV. The internet-only price is $60/month which is still high in my opinion but the speed is good (50 megabit/s). ----- If they did require TV services, I would downgrade to the $10 a month "limited" service which provides local-only channels.

Re:Verizon DSL and Comcast Cable Internet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26081101)

I have Verizon DSL without paying for telephone service. What you do is switch the internet payment to credit card instead of using the phone bill, and then terminate the phone service.

Verizon FIOS (2, Informative)

javelinco (652113) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081035)

I don't have a land line connected to my Verizon FIOS account.

I've got a deal for you (1)

qoncept (599709) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081039)

Here in Palo, Iowa, you can get naked 768k SDSL from the Palo Telephone Coop for $150 a month with a 2 year contract. I opted to go for the plan with a [no caller id, no call waiting, no voicemail] phone line for $105. :\

Cox (1)

effingchrist (1159081) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081049)

I'm with COX communications in the mid-atlantic area. I only have basic cable, and 15 Mbit internet access for about $70. I'm pretty content with that.

Internet Only (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081063)

Many companies offer an internet-only option. However it's rather expensive by itself. Thus they would like you to bundle it with other services. You pay less than if you were to get the services separately. If getting internet only is really important to you, then ask around for that option. Some companies don't always list it as an option.

EVDO from Sprint (2, Informative)

kherr (602366) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081071)

I recently moved into a rural area where I had no options for cable or DSL from my telco, ended up getting EVDO (mobile broadband) from Sprint. Not as fast as cable, but certainly fast enough to be usable. I got the service directly without tying it to a voice plan, so all I pay for is the EVDO service. I then got myself a Cradlepoint router [] that let me plug the EVDO modem right into it, becoming as easy to use as a cable modem.

Works really well, speeds similar to DSL. There is a 5GB "cap" but whenever I ask Sprint about it they don't give me the same answer—sometimes I'm told I'll be asked to pay more, other times they say it slides, and I've also been told they have higher-tiered plans but I can't get into one until I exceed the cap regularly. Not sure they know themselves what they're doing. But the service is excellent, and I haven't had any issues with my data usage.

I do. (3, Informative)

dcollins (135727) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081073)

I have broadband internet from Earthlink through Time Warner Cable in New York City. No cable TV or phone. I'm happy with it, moderately cheap, run web/email servers, IP technically dynamic but it hasn't changed in a year, etc.

However, don't get Earthlink digital phone. That sucks fucking shit, horrible service, no one can fix anything. They even *lost* our phone number! (Lot of stories about that online if you search.)

Nidhog in Pittsburgh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26081081) []

The price I pay is exactly what was quoted when I signed up, no hidden fees. They do "naked" DSL, so you don't have to have local phone service.

Verizon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26081175)

I use DSL here in central Pennsylbama and they don't require any other service. I have no landline and no tv.

I think if you just call up a customer service rep, they'll have no problem cutting those services.

Qwest. you can even get "naked" DSL without phone (1)

swschrad (312009) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081197)

the only one of the telcos, in fact, that is pleased to do so. better to get SOME money than NO money.

Call Earthlink (2, Informative)

TheNinjaroach (878876) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081237)

I live in a Time Warner area where they charge an extra $20/mo for *not* subscribing to cable TV. Enter Earthlink. I called them to get the same rate but it doesn't include the $20 monthly surcharge. Here's the kicker, Time Warner came out to connect my service that they provide, install the modem and hand me my first bill. It's 100% Time Warner, they mail me a bill every month for about $45, but because I signed up through Earthlink I don't pay any additional "no cable TV" fees. When I need support, I call Time Warner and get the same crappy (but first party) support that everyone else does. To be honest, I'm not sure what Earthlink does besides provide EMail accounts and hijack my invalid DNS requests.

I believe Earthlink has similar agreements with other coax and DSL providers, you should at least give them a call.

Re:Call Earthlink (2, Informative)

Dynedain (141758) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081417)

Earthlink also blocks SMTP that isn't going to their servers making it a pain to use your non-earthlink email address.

Re:Call Earthlink (1)

TheNinjaroach (878876) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081537)

Although I haven't personally tested SMTP (who uses that anymore?) I have done a lot of weird things on a lot of weird ports with Earthlink and have never noticed a single one of them being blocked or interfered with in any way.

AT&T doesn't require phone. (2, Informative)

The Moof (859402) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081245)

Here's AT&T's packages [] .
I do enjoy not having to pay a list of regulatory and gov't fees, also.

They can't do that... (1)

iamghetto (450099) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081265)

in Canada.

Wireless (1)

Big Boss (7354) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081275)

The only high speed option with competition. I use a local WISP ( and I don't pay for anything I don't use. It's not as fast as some cable providers, but it's 5/2 so it's not bad. About $50/mo. Most areas seem to be served by a WISP these days, check into it a little and you might be able to find something.

They also provide me with a static IP so I can run server processes. It's a "don't break things" kind of arrangement. If I don't cause problems, they leave me alone to do my thing.

Earthlink Broadband (1)

demopolis (872666) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081285)

The main providers in the Minneapolis area consist of Qwest DSL or Comcast Cable. Comcast of course tacks on an extra fee if you don't subscribe to cable tv as well. I was able to get around that by subscribing to Earthlink Cable broadband. Basically, all the equipment and connections are provided by Comcast, even the bill comes from Comcast (it says Earthlink in the line item), but I pay the same rate as a TV subscriber.

Earthlink (1)

egburr (141740) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081301)

In the RDU area in North Carolina, I subscribe to earthlink which uses Time-Warner's cable lines. I do not subscribe to cable (analog-to-digital TV converter) or any landline phone service (cell phones only). I didn't think that was all that unusual anymore.

AT&T Dry Loop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26081303)

I have a so-called AT&T dry loop: ADSL without land line.

It's under the Uverse business division and I got transferred at least 5 times before they set it up, but it works just fine. You can't order it over the web.

I used to have the cheapest possible landline with it initially. The total saving for going to dry loop were about $5 per month.

Note that I don't have any of the other Uverse offerings related to TV channels or VOIP.

cox (2, Insightful)

threecolorable (1096679) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081315)

I used to have COX cable internet, no TV or phone required.

Move? (1, Insightful)

Eunuchswear (210685) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081333)

100 mb/s internet = 21,90 EUR/month
100 mb/s internet + unlimited telephone (France + EU + US + Canada + Israel) = 19,90 EUR a month

Negative pork? []

Verizon (1)

Seanasy (21730) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081353)

I have FiOS for Internet only. No phone or TV service on it. Supposedly, if you bug them enough they'll give you dry-loop DSL, aka naked DSL, which is DSL without the phone service.

In Europe... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26081365)

I guess you talk about USA. In Spain, for instance, there are some ISPs that offer broadband-only services. I'm not sure about ADSL, but it's specially easy to find this service with cable operators.

Windstream / Greenstreak (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26081403)

I have Windstream's (completely unadvertised) deal called Greenstreak, their version of naked DSL. It provides a DSL connection and free incoming phone service. Outgoing calls are charged per minute, but in the age of cellphones all I need is the DSL. Rates vary by area, I'm paying $30 for 3 mb down.

AT&T are as scumfucky as usual (1)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081425)

They say you'll save money bundling mobile, broadband, and phone lines on one bill. Not only has the total sum of the bills gone up, the bills become impossible to debug because support for those three areas are all separate specialists who don't have the authority to make changes on the side that isn't theirs.

I'm not usually a violent man but dealing with these companies causes visions of guillotines and wood-chippers to dance through my head.

Wireless ISP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26081437)

the ISP I run requires neither cable nor phone line. plus since I am the power utility the internet service is included on the power bill. and it is competitive, same or better speed for same or cheaper price. compared to all other internet providers in the area. so come to NE Nevada and I can hook you up :)

DSL with a metered line (1)

wiredlogic (135348) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081489)

If DSL is a viable option then the easiest way to reduce the pork is to get a metered landline without any extra features or long distance service. Even better is to get unbundled DSL but that is rarely available.

Speakeasy (1)

Explodicle (818405) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081499)

I get my internet (and just internet) from Speakeasy's OneLink service [] .

Time Warner (3, Informative)

khellendros1984 (792761) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081531)

I use Time Warner cable internet (I guess they bought Roadrunner or something). 10Mb down, 1Mb up, $45/month. I don't pay for cable or phone through them or anyone else.

Yes, Suddenlink (1)

ACMENEWSLLC (940904) | more than 5 years ago | (#26081559)

Last I checked it was simply $10 more to have 8Mb/s Internet w/out also having CableTV service.

With the advent of,, NBC ABC CBS and FOX video on demain, Amazon (free) videos, et al I find myself wondering if I really want to keep Cable TV.

Then I sit back and hit Power and have Instant cable TV w/out having a hot laptop on me and streaming issues. So I think I'll keep it just a bit longer.

Cablevision..meh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26081573)

Cablevision which is based on long island allows you to only have internet service, although they will call you occasionally to ask you why you've chosed to do this...but its all about marketing. Truth be told, they're not bad. Albeit, overpriced...I've gotten more then my share of RIAA/MPAA letters and they still haven't disconnected me.

I can't believe I just hyped my ISP. C'est la vie.

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