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Vista To XP Upgrade Triples In Price, Now $150

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the don't-forget-special-reserve-windows-xp dept.

Windows 907

ozmanjusri writes "Dell has tripled the charge to upgrade Vista PCs to XP. Under current licensing 'downgrade' agreements, system builders can install XP Pro instead of Vista Business or Vista Ultimate; however, Dell has opted for a surcharge of $150 over the price of Vista for the older but more popular XP Professional operating system. Rob Enderle says the downgrade fees could potentially be disastrous for Microsoft: 'The fix for this should be to focus like lasers on demand generation for Vista but instead Microsoft is focusing aggressively on financial penalties," says Enderle. 'Forcing customers to go someplace they don't want to go by raising prices is a Christmas present for Apple and those that are positioning Linux on the desktop.'"

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One of the first posts (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26113149)

Why is the title of this red on the front page???

Re:One of the first posts (-1, Offtopic)

s.bots (1099921) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113159)

A merry red and green /. Christmas theme?

Re:One of the first posts (-1, Troll)

Mr Thinly Sliced (73041) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113167)

Why is the title of this red on the front page???

It's red rag day. The painters are in. Time of the month. Shes got teh mormons in.

Or something.

Tyrone the Linux nigger's open letter to Ballmer: (-1, Troll)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113169)

Fuck those punk-ass bitches. It be hawd enough for me to find a laptop with a legit(legit 'cuz otherwise I wouldn' be givin' a fucc) mothafuckin' install of XP instead of dat obnoxious money-green Vista. MoFo be pushin' me to Linux 'n' shit, specially ubuntu cut it match my skin and my heritage...but anywayz. I hadta pay MO' for XP laptop than Vista laptop! Dat be some silly-ass shit. But hear me out, niggas, hear me out:

Steve "Honky-ass" Ballmer, yo dayz are numbered. One of the good thang about Windows is dat it be able to run stuff from older versions - backwardz compat-o-bility - but even dat goin away thanks to Vista and dat analogy extends to the lynching of old-style menus and nav-o-gation in Vista and Office.

You dumbass greedy bastard be trying to stick yo sticky fingas in otha brotha's pies. Youse a joke, foo - you really thank you gon' beat everybody else at they own game? Step down, old man, step down if you got any pride left. You company's like a fat mama Shaquita who used to be da prom queen an' now you 500 pounds wasting money on havin babies wit different daddies hopin dat one o' dem be grow up professional athlete and take care o you in your old age feedin' yo greed 'n' shit. No way out except strappin on some runnin' shoes and runnin' all dat lard of yo company's fat ass!

Hey, Steve Ballmer, you Dick Cheney-ass motherfucka, you just wait till Larry Page an' Sergei Brin an' Steve Jobs(if he still alive) be buyin' yo office chairs at yo fire sale when you go unda and they throw a brick at yo head, tie you down, and shove yo old office chair up yo mothafuckin' ass!

Re:Tyrone the Linux nigger's open letter to Ballme (-1, Offtopic)

collinstocks (1295204) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113199)

This doesn't sound like the usual you... Has your slashdot account been hijacked?

I hope this is a joke...

Re:Tyrone the Linux nigger's open letter to Ballme (1)

Anthony_Cargile (1336739) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113239)

Did you forget to tick "Post Anonymously" again, or is this just your idea of humor, especially after posting this [slashdot.org] .

Fake! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26113405)

Everyone knows niggers are too dumb to use computers.

Re: (1)

callinyouin (1138469) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113435)

That was not only incredibly stupid, but completely irrelevant.

Re:One of the first posts (3, Informative)

Trogre (513942) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113261)

I don't know. It's not red for me. But then again I'm logged in with the "no icon" and "Slashdot Classic Discussion System" options, which makes everything seem to work 10x faster than the new defaults.

I used to use the "low-bandwidth" option too, before I realised that also cut out the polls.

Re:One of the first posts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26113309)

Why is the title of this red on the front page???

Because you just subscribed to slashdot and now can see posts from the mysterious future.

Re:One of the first posts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26113407)

No, I didn't...

Anyway, it's no longer red now that I posted.

Bender sez... (5, Funny)

slifox (605302) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113157)

Blackmail is such an ugly word...

I prefer "extortion." The "X" makes it sound cool

Re:Bender sez... (2, Insightful)

macraig (621737) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113557)

Capitalists call it "persuasion".

Re:Bender sez... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26113587)

I am erotic. You are kinky. They are perverts.

We protect. Our allies enforce. Our enemies oppress.

Government appropriates. Telecoms lobby. WiFi users steal.

It all depends on your point of view.

Re:Bender sez... (0, Offtopic)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113633)

Now where's my Persuadatron [wikipedia.org] , when I need it?

Bullfrog [wikipedia.org] ... I really miss you!

Re:Bender sez... (5, Interesting)

pm_rat_poison (1295589) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113583)

It's not Blackmail, it's a business model: Get paid to sell your software and get paid NOT to sell your software.

It will work... (4, Insightful)

riceboy50 (631755) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113173)

Most people believe that Windows is synonymous with computers. Being the consumer sheeple they are, they're going to go with what hits their wallet the least—especially in a depressed economy.

Re:It will work... (4, Insightful)

A beautiful mind (821714) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113243)

I'm tired of the "people are stupid" argument. A lot of them are, yes - but those who have some knowledge about computers are more influential and therefor exert influence on the stupid people. Which is why I think that for example articles in The Economist about linux netbooks are ahead of the curve.

Re:It will work... (5, Insightful)

Chemisor (97276) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113331)

> Being the consumer sheeple they are, they're going to go with what hits their wallet the least

The Pirate Bay

Re:It will work... (2, Insightful)

Facegarden (967477) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113409)

blah blah blah blah blah "sheeple" blah blah blah blah

Yes, look at all those sheeple, using stupid buzzwords that everyone else uses so they can feel superior. Good thing you're not just following the crowd, going on slashdot and calling windows users "sheeple"... Oh, wait...
-Taylor

Re:It will work... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26113463)

Most people believe that Windows is synonymous with computers.

I disagree. Most people dont know either way. When I ask people what operating system they use the most common responses I get are...

I dont know
Microsoft
Internet Explorer

XP Pro is worth more (5, Insightful)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113599)

They charge more for XP Pro, so it must be more valuable than Vista. I'll go with that instead.

Microsoft's is huge! (4, Insightful)

ceeam (39911) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113177)

It's so huge and its hold is so strong that even the giants like Microsoft, trying their hardest to destroy it, can't succeed.

Re:Microsoft's is huge! (2, Insightful)

psy0rz (666238) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113423)

thats just...recursive

But... (0, Offtopic)

Anthony_Cargile (1336739) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113195)

Of course the Linux (namely Ubuntu) upgrade is always free of charge :D.

(Somebody had to post it.)

Re:But... (4, Insightful)

ceeam (39911) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113251)

> Somebody had to post it

No.

Re:But... (0, Troll)

Anthony_Cargile (1336739) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113345)

It certainly made more sense than your post above [slashdot.org] . Silly me for thinking lower UIDs meant more of an understanding!

Ubuntu (1)

Zwicky (702757) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113197)

I guess it's too much to ask that they're not trying to force people over to Vista as much as they're trying to nudge people over to their Linux offerings.

Probably.

Re:Ubuntu (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26113613)

Are you trying to tell me that a freeware like the linux can run a computer without any Windows services or drivers or anything?

I don't get it (4, Insightful)

PoiBoy (525770) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113201)

Honestly, I don't know what all the resistance to Vista is all about. I've been using it everyday for the past 18 months plus, and I've never had a problem with it, and that's on what was a relatively low-end machine I bought three years ago. All my hardware works fine, it never crashes, and it's easy to use. It doesn't seem at all slow to me, either. And, yes, I also use Linux as my main computer at work. I just prefer Vista for its ease-of-use when I come home.

Re:I don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26113247)

you must be new here...

Re:I don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26113505)

I miss the user "New Here" replying to all of these. Poor sap probably moved on with his/her (wait, this is /.) life and now trolls another website. :'(

Re:I don't get it (1)

equex (747231) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113303)

Exactly what do you mean with a low-end machine? I dont belive you, or your conception of a low-end machine is way different than mine.

Re:I don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26113371)

I'm not the original poster, but I'm sending this post using an MSI Wind netbook that is running Vista Home Premium. With its 1.6 GHz Atom processor, the Wind is not exactly a top-of-the-line PC. Vista performs perfectly well on the Wind, and I even have the Aero interface enabled.

I agree with the original poster. Vista has served my needs well and has been remarkably stable, especially with SP1 installed.

Re:I don't get it (1)

Computershack (1143409) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113581)

Exactly what do you mean with a low-end machine? I dont belive you, or your conception of a low-end machine is way different than mine.

Mine is a 4 year old Abit AN8 motherboard running a discontinued 2 years ago AMD Althlon X2 4800+ with 2GB PC3200 RAM. The only remotely recent tech thing in it is a nVidia 9600GT.

Achieves 178FPS in Counterstrike video stress test under Vista at 1440x900 with everything ramped up full.System Info panel in vista [photobucket.com] CS:Source video settings [photobucket.com] Result [photobucket.com]

Re:I don't get it (1)

vwjeff (709903) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113341)

Buy a computer with Vista Business or Vista Ultimate and downgrade to XP Professional.

Re:I don't get it (0, Troll)

jo42 (227475) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113483)

For the last time, going from Vista to XP is an "Upgrade". "Downgrade" is going from XP to Vista.

Why anyone would call software that runs slower on existing or older hardware, is compatible with fewer applications and has a clunkier user interface an "upgrade" is beyond me...

Re:I don't get it (0, Flamebait)

Kalriath (849904) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113605)

No, it's not. Period.

I was going to write a long drawn out essay on it, but then I realised that you wont listen and you'll just post some crap like "it's an upgrade lawlz!!!11!!1one"

Re:I don't get it (1)

Volante3192 (953645) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113491)

Two downsides:

1. It registers as a sale for Vista.
2. YOU still have to do the downgrade. Not everyone is savvy enough to pull this off. It'd probably cost you $150 just to find someone to do it for you.

Re:I don't get it (3, Insightful)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113359)

I installed it at home. I got a new computer with >4GB of RAM. And MS doesn't sell XP 64 anymore, so I installed Vista 64.

The UI is a ton better than XP.

Yes, it does have problems, sometimes it even burps while copying files, which is bizarre to me, since it's such a basic function.

But all in all it's pretty good, and I could hardly see going back to XP now.

Honestly, my biggest problem with Vista is that it appears MS is going to strand us Vista users and come out with Windows 7 next year with no affordable upgrade path.

Yeah, MS did some stupid stuff. Tying Direct X 10 to Vista was just one of them. But XP is past its prime.

Re:I don't get it (0, Troll)

Anthony_Cargile (1336739) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113399)

Honestly, my biggest problem with Vista is that it appears MS is going to strand us Vista users and come out with Windows 7 next year with no affordable upgrade path.

This is why the "Mojave" commercials sicken me. Yes, Vista had slightly more criticism than its worth at times, but why is MS upping the marketing on an OS soon to be replaced? "buy that one! buy that one! NO WAIT buy this one now! No - this one!"

Poor sheeple are going to panic.

Re:I don't get it (5, Insightful)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113553)

The UI is a ton better than XP.

Can you quantify that? What tasks are quicker to perform? What functionality is easier to find?

Re:I don't get it (5, Insightful)

frodo from middle ea (602941) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113381)

I don't think Vista has a big stability problem, but it really is a resource hog. On my box, Vista eats up 1GB of RAM doing absolutely nothing, even with Areo turned off and all effects etc disabled. Compared to this, I can run on the same Box, Ubuntu 8.10 + Windows XP (inside Virtual Box) under 750MB, really no kidding. And that too with Compiz and every thing. Under Ubuntu I can run quite a lot of applications simultaneously without loading the box too much, while Vista is brought down on its knees even when copying big files around.

Re:I don't get it (0)

Computershack (1143409) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113603)

On my box, Vista eats up 1GB of RAM doing absolutely nothing, even with Areo turned off and all effects etc disabled.

That's because it uses Superfetch [wikipedia.org] to preload applications into RAM to speed up start times....

Re:I don't get it (5, Informative)

TrancePhreak (576593) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113637)

that 1GB is a myth. It's just precaching all sorts of things in case you use them so that they become available faster. Should your computer actually need to use the ram for something, Vista will dump out the precached parts to allow it.

Re:I don't get it (1)

Bearhouse (1034238) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113397)

Good luck with that one, dude ;-)

Re:I don't get it (5, Interesting)

Quarem (143878) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113415)

I don't get it either. Why anyone in the consumer space would want to use XP over Vista is beyond me at this point.

At this point I have been using Vista for over a year. Anytime I have to go back and use XP it feels like an out-dated system. For one, the lack of an integrated desktop search client is a huge productivity loss. It's like using a Mac without Spotlight, who really wants to do that anymore?

Secondly, desktop composition in Vista also vastly improves the windows switcher by providing live previews of the windows instead of undescriptive application icons.

Overall I find Vista to be a huge step forward in usability over XP.

Re:I don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26113627)

windows search does that for xp.
windowblinds has aero for xp.

Re:I don't get it (5, Interesting)

Pinckney (1098477) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113445)

I play mostly old games: GTA2, Diablo II, Sim City 2000, Age of Empires II... They're the only reason I kept Windows installed. Vista breaks most of them. I have better support from WINE.

Re:I don't get it (1)

Skrapion (955066) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113515)

It's kind of weird how much Slashdot's anti-Microsoft crowd seems to worship XP.

And this whole "Vista downgrade" thing is getting old. How can you honestly claim that switching to an operating system that only supports 3GB of RAM is an upgrade? Unless you're suggesting that people switch to x64 XP, but nobody in their right mind would really suggest that.

Re:I don't get it (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113619)

Unless you're suggesting that people switch to x64 XP, but nobody in their right mind would really suggest that.

Since XP64 apparently doesn't work, I'm sadly unable to use it to tell you that your mother sucks Satan's cock. Thank you for your non-attention.

Question: for what specific purpose do you or I actually need more than 3GB of RAM on XP? My usage tops out at 950MB even when compiling while playing GTA:SA, so my 2GB box already has one wasted RAM slot.

Re:I don't get it (5, Insightful)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113527)

Last year, I bought a medium level $800 Acer desktop for my aunt/uncle. I was tired of wrestling with their XP Home 500 mhz celeron. It wasn't just the slow speed, but the lack of UAC that made basic security with these two a nightmare. They wouldn't take Ubuntu because they absolutely had to have Quickbooks for the 3 invoices they wrote on it a year (I'm not joking, it's what they knew and didn't want alternatives to).

I will admit, with UAC, and putting them on non-administrative (just standard) accounts with Firefox on, Vista is much nicer than XP in this direction.

But when I got the computer, in addition to Acer's stupid and ultimately useless bloatware sucking up all the speed, Microsoft's Aero was set for maximum bling on integrated graphics. It took the computer minutes to start up. The entire time, out of the box, it sounded like it was grinding (and it was grinding to a halt with the hourglass every few minutes) as it was constantly swapping even with 2GB ram.

I stopped all that with over 15 tedious uninstalls of various components of Acer's pre-installed bloatware (why oh why can't MS have a synaptic type installer/uninstaller with multiple installs/uninstalls at once?) and stopping several services and setting all of the visual effects to minimize asides a few font/other smoothing settings. The machine felt several times faster.

But most of that is beyond the regular user. This computer, brand new, felt like a dog out of the box. Why Acer does this is beyond me, it can't look good for them. But more than that, why Microsoft lets them, will be the death of them one day. This is Apple's big win - their computers just work out of the box. And feel new and fast.

While the bloatware is not new, it's gets worse every reiteration. What is new is MS's own default settings are dragging the systems down. Not even uninstalls make it better. People have to muck with the systems.

I suppose that is part of the resistance to Vista. Security wise, and some other things (like icon/thumbnail browsing and editing - rotation) is much nicer. I like not seeing .db thumbnail files in every directory. Big win there. But the experience out of the box is abysmal.

Re:I don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26113559)

Glad that it worked out okay for you.

Unfortunately it doesn't work for everybody for one reason or another, if XP is what they want/need an artificial increase in price could make them less happy costumers, or in worst case make them buy somewhere/thing else. Either way, it reflects negatively on Microsoft, even if they get a sale.

Re:I don't get it (5, Interesting)

ducomputergeek (595742) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113561)

When Vista was first release, I had a client that used an industry specific billing/accounting/inventory management system for the health care industry. Granted I had been working with them for about 6 months and the software vendor warned them "WILL NOT WORK IN VISTA". I kept pressuring them to buy their workstations before the switch over. They wanted to go through Dell, that was the hardware vendor the software company recommended and why rock the boat, especially since they have to deal with said vendor long term.

At any rate, I warned them that on Jan 31st they wouldn't be able to buy PC's with XP loaded from Dell. Honestly, I think they thought I was lying or making it up. This was a small business less than 10 employees who were waiting for a big public aid check to come in. (80% of their business is public aid, and they get paid it's always a matter of when). I even told them in December to put the workstation purchases on the company credit card or go to the bank and get a 180 day short term note, but just buy the workstations before the switch over.

I finished up the disaster recovery plan and all the work I had been hired for about the middle of Jan. I told them again to buy the workstations then. But long story short, I got a phone call in March saying, "We can't buy XP from DELL, so we had to buy vista and the software won't work". I was working on another project 500 miles away and answered bluntly in six words: "Don't say I didn't warn you."

The software vendor flew down some engineers and the company got the luxury of spending $16k to be the beta testers for their Vista version of the software. Apparently it was July before they had all the kinks worked out.

I heard this story repeated several times with various in house or specialty applications in the early days. Especially in small businesses where suddenly, on of their cheap office PC's broke and they had to run out and buy a replacement, and all they could find was machines with Vista that couldn't run their software. It wasn't until the summer that MS allowed the option to pre-install XP again on machines.

Today, it's not that bad, but at launch, there were some problems.

Re:I don't get it (4, Insightful)

AceofSpades19 (1107875) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113585)

define low-end machine. I define a low-end machine as a computer that has 512 mb of ram or so and a computer with that much ram can't run vista very well at all, unless you call booting in 10 minutes fast.

Re:I don't get it (2, Informative)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113645)

Please quantify 'never had a problem with it.' If you are an expert user, I wouldn't expect you to have a problem with it. You probably went in and turned of the UAC crap, etc., for example, when you got it. You probably knew how to tweak some of the settings and cut out unnecessary services to get better performance out of your relatively low-end machine.

I've seen Vista on relatively low-end hardware. It's slow as hell. Most common tasks like copying files and installing drivers take more than 50% longer on the same hardware without tweaks or loading additional software. I have benchmarked this, personally.

Economics (5, Funny)

Futile Rhetoric (1105323) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113211)

Well, since it's an upgrade, it's only fair that people should pay more, right?

Re:Economics (1)

klashn (1323433) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113273)

They really want to ween people off XP.. Will piracy of XP become more rampant because of the "upgrade" cost to downgrade to XP? MS is pretty much acting as a monopoly. This is a last ditch effort to see how many followers they still have. I wish i could assure that after this stunt they'll have a lot less, but the consumer only knows of Windows and will be oblivious as Vista will be $150 cheaper than XP

Re:Economics (1)

Facegarden (967477) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113377)

They really want to ween people off XP.. Will piracy of XP become more rampant because of the "upgrade" cost to downgrade to XP?

MS is pretty much acting as a monopoly. This is a last ditch effort to see how many followers they still have. I wish i could assure that after this stunt they'll have a lot less, but the consumer only knows of Windows and will be oblivious as Vista will be $150 cheaper than XP

Yes, they are acting JUST like a monopoly. How dare they control the windows market exclusively!. Why they've cornered the market!
-Taylor

Yohoho! (5, Insightful)

calmofthestorm (1344385) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113231)

Merry Christmas and a bottle of rum! But seriously, combined with economic downturn, more and more people will just pirate it.

How do they rationalize it to the consumer, I'm kind of curious, given that they phrase it as a "downgrade"

Hello... I'm a PC (5, Insightful)

Adrian Lopez (2615) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113241)

I can't wait for the Apple ads to make fun of this. People are willing to pay extra to avoid Windows Vista.

Re:Hello... I'm a PC (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26113363)

Can people buy Macs with older versions of their OS?

Re:Hello... I'm a PC (4, Insightful)

Trailer Trash (60756) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113395)

Can people buy Macs with older versions of their OS?

Why would we? The issue here is that Microsoft's "progression" of operating systems is sometimes forward, sometimes backward. Apple seems to be consistently moving forward.

Re:Hello... I'm a PC (0, Troll)

salimma (115327) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113539)

With Leopard, that's arguable, at least until 10.5.4. It's the first OS X release that does not provide for a painless upgrade experience; if you try to upgrade from Tiger, you will end up with repeated chkdsk-induced boot failures until you reformat the hard drive clean.

HFS+ needs to die. Now.

Re:Hello... I'm a PC (4, Funny)

XPeter (1429763) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113419)

This is how it will probably go :)

Mac: Hello, I'm a mac

PC: And I'm a PC.

Mac: So PC, I heard that people are now paying THREE TIMES more for XP then they were before, just to avoid Vista!

PC: Hold on a second Mac, I'm installing some updates and I have to reboot.
Mac: Ok..

PC: Alright be right ba-

Stop 0x0000001e (c000009a 80123f36 02000000 00000246)
      Unhandled Kernel exception c000009a from 8123f26
      Address 80123f36 has base at 80100000 - ntoskrnl.exe

Re:Hello... I'm a PC (1)

Kalriath (849904) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113631)

Oh, and then does the Mac suddenly bloat up when the Safari updater installs fourty-five unrequested extra applications which the user neither wants nor will use?

Why so shocked (4, Funny)

MrKaos (858439) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113253)

XP is three times more valuable than Vista.

Sad... (1)

perlhacker14 (1056902) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113267)

I find it quite sad that Vista to XP has to be considered an upgrade.

As to the financial penalties... well they would work; who actually will fork out all that extra cash? Most laypersons or uninformed small businesses won't bother changing or paying anyway.

I believe I've seen this every year since 1994 (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26113283)

I have seen the future: Windows $NEXT_VERSION [today.com] Milestone $MOCKUP.

I tried it on a low-end laptop with four Core 2 Duo chips and only 8 gig of memory, and trust me: $NEXT_VERSION is shaping up to be one heck of a product.

WordPad and Paint have seen major overhauls to their user interfaces. Forget the freetards and their "distros" full of all sorts of useless shovelware like FireFox" and "OpenOffice" and, haha, "GIMP"! - the bundled software with Windows $NEXT_VERSION is clear, simple, sparse and to-the-point. The much-loved $HATED user interface from Office $HATED_VERSION is now part of WordPad and Paint! It'll leave $LAST_VERSION utterly in the shade.

The controversial Digital Rights Management system in $CURRENT_VERSION has been worked over, with user-downloadable "tilt bits," which you can configure to your own liking. It'll require every user to supply a blood sample for DNA analysis, and the beta nearly took my finger off, but of course that's only if you want to play premium content. The Blu-Ray(tm) of Battlefield Earth was unbelievable on this operating system.

A public beta should be released by the end of this year. There's just no way that Steve "Trains Run On Time" Ballmer will miss the Christmas deadline. The final release should leave the midnight queues on $CURRENT_VERSION release day - the street riots, the water cannons, the rubber bullets - in the shade.

I am so excited about $NEXT_VERSION of Windows. It will go beyond just solving all of the problems with $CURRENT_VERSION, it will be an entirely new paradigm. Forget about security problems, those are all fixed in $NEXT_VERSION. And they're finally ridding themselves of $ANCIENT_LEGACY_STUFF. We have to charge them more for $PREVIOUS_VERSION, to get them to understand just how cool $NEXT_VERSION will be.

Also, there'll be $DATABASE_FILESYSTEM. It'll be awesome!

I wonder how $NEXT_VERSION will compare to $NEXT_NEXT_VERSION.

Re:I believe I've seen this every year since 1994 (0, Redundant)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113343)

That was me, if you wanna wreck my karma. (Ticked the anon box accidentally.)

Re:I believe I've seen this every year since 1994 (1)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113485)

That was me, if you wanna wreck my karma. (Ticked the anon box accidentally.)

I only want to do that because you ran over my dogma.

Re:I believe I've seen this every year since 1994 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26113513)

You do pretty much nothing but paste lame "funny articles" from your blog to Slashdot, so I'd probably go AC full time, lest someone think you're just a spammer.

If anyone doubts this, all they need to do is look at your posting history.

You take a Slashdot headline, write something up and then spam here. Looking at your blog with the "Your Ad Here!" section, I gather you're just trying to piggyback on being modded funny so that your post shows up in the default page view indexed by Google and seen by most Slashdot readers who never change their settings.

Spammer. There's really no other term to describe you, or what you do.

Re:I believe I've seen this every year since 1994 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26113523)

No it wasn't, it was me!!

bigger inconvenience. (5, Funny)

senorpoco (1396603) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113289)

The biggest inconvenience is having to show up at a dell depot so the can bend you over a desk.

This could backfire by making XP look better (5, Insightful)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113299)

One reason people say Linux has a hard time gaining ground is because it's free so people think it's shit so it has to be given away.

That's partially true. People do believe the cost of something is related to it's value. Well now MS is implying that XP is better because it costs much more to have it. The sad thing is they're probably right in that it is better.

$150 is stupid (5, Interesting)

Darkk (1296127) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113313)

This won't really apply to home users but for corporate and office users they will not pay $150 to downgrade to XP when they can use the restore WinXP SP3 CD that came with the prior PCs. Long as the PCs have a license sticker on the machine such as Vista or higher they have the right to downgrade for free.

Dell is just milking everybody much as they can and it's wrong. Makes me wonder if this is even legal?

What?! (2, Insightful)

DinDaddy (1168147) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113319)

Color me mildly shocked that Enderle, at least in TFS, accurately described the situation.

Re:What?! (1)

wootest (694923) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113489)

Exactly. Where's the world come to? First he was right about Home Basic being a stupid nickel-and-dime move, now this. Good thing Dell stopped their new MP3 player, or he'd be launching pigs too.

Why? (2, Interesting)

Bearhouse (1034238) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113333)

Does Microsoft charge them more for XP? (Which would be illogical for older software).

Surely they don't prtend that it costs more to dump one image to a drive rather than another?

Costs more because of diver support? Nope, Dell don't write the drivers...

So, I'm confused as to how they can justify this.

Mind you, not surprising from a company that charges the same for a PC with Linux as it does for Vista....

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26113535)

Simple: Microsoft looks at a demand-vs-price curve and charges what the market will bear. If the prices are not what you would expect, then you should question consumer demand, not Microsoft.

A true upgrade (1)

Twinbee (767046) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113355)

Hehe, I love the way 'downgrade' is in quotes, but upgrade isn't... ;)

Re:A true upgrade (1)

scjohnno (1370701) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113639)

Hehe, I love the way 'downgrade' is in quotes, but upgrade isn't... ;)

Slashdot at its finest here, gents.

Year of the linux desktop? (1)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113365)

Does this mean it's going to happen this year? not really, not ever in fact. the problem with linux isn't so much techology anymore.... hence why it'll never be the dominate desktop.

holy shit (3, Funny)

Trailer Trash (60756) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113367)

is Rob Enderle right about something?

Lasers? (1)

callinyouin (1138469) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113373)

"to focus like lasers"

Is it just me, or does anyone else think a really smart 12 year old wrote this summary? I have the flu and feel kinda messed up so I might not be thinking clearly but... this just sounds like something from realultimatepower [realultimatepower.net] . Right? Somebody set me straight!!

Well. Merry Christmas. (1, Informative)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113385)

Windows Vista-Compiz Edition [ubuntu.com]

::depreciated releases below, do not download::
Windows_Vista [thepiratebay.org]
Windows 2003 Ent. Corp. SWE +keygen! [thepiratebay.org]
Windows.XP.Professional.Corporate.SP3.CLEAN [thepiratebay.org]
VLK Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 SP3 [thepiratebay.org]
Windows 2000 Professional SP4 - Included Serial [thepiratebay.org]

Re:Well. Merry Christmas. (1)

IsMyNameTaken (1362911) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113481)

Those Pirate Bay files are definitely pure clean virus free joy but that "ubuntu.com" one looks kinda suspicious I think it might be a scam site. Does M$ know about that? They should really have their legal department look into it before a school teacher has to take more time away from teaching to confiscate burned CDs.

Re:Well. Merry Christmas. (1)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113495)

Yeah. I think Cisco uploaded those Vista-Compiz binaries.

Burn them!!!

"Worse...taking away a buyer right to choose" (1)

smchris (464899) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113417)

Oh, I don't know. Now I'd say for $150 you could probably find a local linux enthusiast who would set you up really nicely.

No trust for them. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26113439)

I waited three years for XP to gain stability, before adopting it. It's not perfect, but it's fine to do some video editing now and then.

It took me three seconds to refuse 'Vista', a marketing stunt wearing new clothing ovr XP's kernel and making it slower and full of odd limitations and asking popups.

I don't buy Microsoft. I don't ever let them force me. Therefore, I don't buy a new laptop because there's Vista on it, not even if they 'let me' downgrade, what a hassle.

Now they want me to pay for a failed OS product I don't want on my new laptop. Then they want me to pay to take that away for an older, less limited version of OS....

AND, they have the face to fight against piracy, as if people was given any other choice to just have a computer that works the way they want. It's the vendor way or no way? Must I click where they say forever or get unemployed and electrocuted?
No. Time for change.

They are fools. The only thing I can conclude is that air must make people crazy down in Redmond and elsewhere somehow other than endlessly arrogant in trying to own people's freedom.
I wish they good luck, but I'll do without them.

Why is Linux more expensive than Windows? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26113455)

While the Microsoft schill, Enderle, might finally be right about something it does raise a major question.

Why do the PC vendors position their products so that Linux versions of their PCs are MORE expensive than Microsoft versions of the same basic thing. This is most notably the case with Dell and Asus.

In the case of both vendors, their Linux offerings are more expensive than their Windows offering. And while some might point out that the Asus EEE Linux version is more expensive because it has an SSD where the XP version has a regular hard drive, it still creates the perception that the Linux version is more expensive AND has far less storage.

Can I get a 160GB Linux based EEE. Sorry, no can do. It is cheaper to buy the Windows version and remove Windows and install Ubuntu. But why?

The conspiracy theorists may be able to argue that Microsoft is behind it in Dell's case but, I can't accept that Microsoft is forcing Asus to do the same. Why are they positioning Linux as the more expensive option?

Re:Why is Linux more expensive than Windows? (1)

Kredal (566494) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113537)

Ever notice how much crap is also installed on Dells straight from the factory? There are trials of this, trials of that, ad-ware on the next thing... Dell doesn't put that junk on for free. They probably make more on add-on stuff than the copy of Windows costs them. When you buy a Dell with Linux installed, they don't get the kickback from all the trial garbage. Thus, it costs more to the end user.

Buy an acer instead (2, Interesting)

luca (6883) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113617)

The aspire one with 1G ram and 160G hard-drive (same hardware), is available both with windows xp and linux, the linux one costs 50EURless than the windows one.

Linux on the desktop? (0, Offtopic)

i_want_you_to_throw_ (559379) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113459)

Forcing customers to go someplace they don't want to go by raising prices is a Christmas present for Apple

Yep

and those that are positioning Linux on the desktop

Nope

I went to Apple precisely because I got tired of waiting on a good Linux for the Desktop. I know some /.ers agoing to say "There already IS good Linux for the desktop" to which I say "How about a *nix that's as good as OSX?".

'nuff said. Sorry guys, we've been wanting this Linux on the desktop for years now. It's not happening. Thanks Apple!

You may mod me down now.

Monopoly (2, Insightful)

mlwmohawk (801821) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113475)

This is something that can only happen when there is a monopoly involved. If there were a real and competitive environment, a vendor would not be able to do this to their customers without them choosing the competition.

It is so bad, that they aren't choosing competition, they are choosing to keep their previous product. Its pathetic.

Re:Monopoly (3, Interesting)

Computershack (1143409) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113625)

You are aware that it is Dell who have chosen to up the price and not Microsoft? If it were Microsoft, all those netbooks running XP would suddenly go up $100.

An additional $150? (3, Informative)

hilather (1079603) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113511)

Seems like companies will take advantage of the consumer at every chance they get. Obviously your laptop should cost LESS with Windows XP pre-installed as it is a dated product. Vista does have a few valuable features that I believe give it superiority over XP. Fast user switching in Domain environments is a big plus. Secure Socket Tunneling Protocol with their new VPN Client would be a huge bonus to corporate VPN users. However, these are the only two nice things I have to say about Vista, and honestly their is no reason these features couldn't have been integrated into Windows XP. While these features are beneficial to corporate environments, Vista is hardly a candidate for a corporate workstation. Regardless if you have been running Vista without problems, slap it on enough workstations and laptops, and you will begin to see the issues trying to support it. I use Ubuntu, although I was recently employed with a small company that wanted to keep up to date on Windows operation systems so I found myself supporting a number of Vista users. It was definitely one of the busiest jobs I've ever had.

The True value of a product (1)

FranTaylor (164577) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113565)

Is what people will pay for it. People will pay $150 to go from Vista to XP. Enough said.

Vista is really not that bad... (5, Informative)

sgage (109086) | more than 5 years ago | (#26113623)

... there, I said it!

I was forced to buy a new computer this summer in a hurry, and all I could get was Vista SP1. Maybe it's just that SP1 took care of the big issues that you hear about, I don't know. But it works just fine, quite responsive, stable as hell, and I haven't had a single problem with it. I turned off all the Aero crap because I just didn't care for it, not because it was a performance issue.

Mostly I'm in Ubuntu Intrepid anyway, but Vista is just the new Windows as far as I can tell - no worse than any of 'em. When I hear some of the stuff people say about Vista, I wonder what they're talking about, because it doesn't match my experience at all.

 

Microsoft and Dell have it backward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26113647)

They should be installing XP as the baseline OS, and charging users $75 to "upgrade" to Vista.

That's just marketing 101.

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