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Sleep Mailing

samzenpus posted more than 5 years ago | from the better-than-drunk-dialing dept.

The Internet 195

Doctors have reported the first case of someone using the internet while asleep, when a sleeping woman sent emails to people asking them over for drinks and caviar. The 44-year-old woman found out what she had done after a would be guest phoned her about it the next day. While asleep the woman turned on her computer, logged on by typing her username and password then composed and sent three emails. Each mail was in a random mix of upper and lower cases, unformatted and written in strange language. One read: "Come tomorrow and sort this hell hole out. Dinner and drinks, 4.pm,. Bring wine and caviar only." Another said simply, "What the......." If I had known that researchers were interested in unformatted, rambling email I would have let them read my inbox. They could start a whole new school of medicine.

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Idle? (5, Insightful)

Kagura (843695) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125553)

Wow. They even used a pic like Idle. Why is this filtering into my regular slashdot now?

Re:Idle? (5, Insightful)

eln (21727) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125667)

It's all part of Slashdot's master plan to become just another digg/fark clone.

Think about it: First they create the Politics section to get people used to the idea that they aren't just "News for Nerds" anymore, then they replace their perfectly good interface with a godawful Web 2.0 mess. Then, they introduce the "Idle" section for so-called "humorous" links (man, I was just thinking to myself: there just aren't enough sites out there dedicated to posting "funny" news stories). Now, content that should be in Idle starts bleeding out into other sections.

Next steps: Creation of "Boobies" tag, site name change to "Rob Malda's Slashdot.org", removal of "Boobies" tag in effort to become a more "serious" funny links aggregator. I can hardly wait.

Re:Idle? (5, Insightful)

Kagura (843695) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125801)

replace their perfectly good interface with a godawful Web 2.0 mess.

I didn't mind any changes they made in the least, except for the silly changes to the user page! Now it takes two clicks and page loads in between to get to my comment page, whereas before it was only one simple click from the main page. This is the only change I've minded, and I mind considerably.

First they came for my easy-to-read Slashdot color scheme, but I did not speak out...

Re:Idle? (5, Insightful)

eln (21727) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126027)

I'm with you 100% on the user page. What we have now is uglier and provides less information than the old one. The only reason I go to my own user page is to see if anyone has replied to my comments, and now I have to navigate two (slower) pages to do it. I don't understand what they were thinking on that one. There seems to be no benefit at all to the new page.

Re:Idle? (3, Insightful)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126531)

Thirded. I don't even understand what the new user page is trying to achieve. Slashdot is the only site I know that keeps the same fugly color scheme and design but expends extra effort to mess up the UI on a regular basis. If I could roll back to the design from 2000, I would.

Re:Idle? (5, Funny)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126663)

Yeah, I'm seriously considering creating a mashup website that just interfaces with slashdot, and then cleans up the interface. Idle will not exist at all. Attempting to manipulate the url to goto idle, will result in the user's death, or possibly a just redirect them to digg, which ever is not considered a felony in more places.

Re:Idle? (1)

aaarrrgggh (9205) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126693)

While the user page is the worst, I really hate the lack of a tree style expansion like we had with the slashdotter extensions in FF

Re:Idle? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26125971)

You'll get over it.

Warmest regards,

Jeff Bates

Re:Idle? (5, Funny)

MRe_nl (306212) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126071)

Come in tomorrow and sort this godawful Web 2.0 hell hole out.
Bring wine and caviar only.

Sincerly yours
Cmdr. Taco

Re:Idle? (2, Funny)

Jesus_666 (702802) | more than 5 years ago | (#26127199)

Wine32 or wine64? And which size Caviar? Caviar Green, Black, Blue, RE3...?

Come on man, this is a tech website. Or at least it used to be. You could at least sleep-post a bit more precisely.

Re:Idle? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26126079)

You need to get out of your parents basement, nerd. If you ever get a life you will learn that there is more to life then programming and science stories. I for one would be happy to see a more normal audience around here, and this kind of story helps to draw these people in.

Re:Idle? (5, Informative)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126271)

You might have blocked out idle, so you might not know that the bleed has gone both ways. There have been serious science stories that some editor decided "Hmm, that sounds funny" and put into the idle section.

Re:Idle? (2, Funny)

virgil_disgr4ce (909068) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126353)

Explain how the present interface is a "godawful Web 2.0 mess."

Re:Idle? (1)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 5 years ago | (#26127111)

Explain how the present [slashdot settings] interface is a "godawful Web 2.0 mess."

Simple: it fits the characteristics of something created by a PHB ;-)

   

Re:Idle? (4, Interesting)

Jesus_666 (702802) | more than 5 years ago | (#26127157)

As for this story: With more background links (such as a discussion in a medical journal) this would be a bona fide geeky news story. While it's been knwn for a while that people can act in their sleep (even to the point of semi-intelligent conversation), something as abstract as writing mails is new.

I think sleep and sleep disorders are a very interesting and discussion-worthy subject (even though I can't offer any medical/biological insight, I'd be interested in such posts from others with more knowledge than me). The story is just not presented that well.

So in essence my verdict is "Where's the beef?" and not "/. is the wrong place to post something like that".

Re:Idle? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26125761)

I couldn't agree more. While Idle is utter garbage and whoever approved the idea should be taken out back and shot (repeatedly), at least we have the blessed option of filtering it out. When the retard known as samzenpus posts them in a different section, however, we lose that ability. Slashdot has really screwed up big time lately. At first I wanted to attribute it to incompetence, but I think it is too concerted and widespread to be so simple. Instead, I think it must be intentional; but to what end?

Re:Idle? (2, Informative)

Chad Birch (1222564) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125847)

samzenpus has done this multiple times, he seems to be pretty bad at posting stuff into the correct section. Either that or (like other people have suggested) it's part of a plot to test us and see if we'll put up with this site slowly turning into digg.

I know I won't hang around when that happens.

Re:Idle? (4, Insightful)

owlnation (858981) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126245)

The best thing to do is not comment on this kind of article -- other than to register protest.

I note the really lame article "The Year of 2008 In Cybercrime" from Networkworld got only 42 comments -- many of which were complaints about the low quality of Networkworld. That's the way to show the editors the failure of their new direction and their sell-out.

The slow idle-creep has to stop. If they want to have a Digg-type site then let them create a new site altogether. Call it Idle and keep it off Slashdot. The audience for Idle is NOT the same as Slashdot. At this rate someone will have to create a new site to cater for the core Slashdot audience, because it seems that Taco and the boys have stopped caring about their regular readers.

Yah right (5, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125571)

Look lady, I show up to your house with wine and caviar and you make up some lame excuse about "sleep emailing". If you didn't want the second date, you should have just said so! I'm a Slashdotter, I'm used to rejection, there's no need to lead me on and come up with lame excuses at the last minute.

Re:Yah right (3, Funny)

msu320 (1084789) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125841)

Look lady, I show up to your house with wine and caviar and you make up some lame excuse about "sleep emailing". If you didn't want the second date, you should have just said so! I'm a Slashdotter, I'm used to rejection, there's no need to lead me on and come up with lame excuses at the last minute.

Your a self admitted slashdotter. You were Doomed the moment she opened her eyes!

easily explainable (4, Funny)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125915)

Actually, she's not lying to you. What many slashdotters fail to realise is that their boring effect on women also spreads back in time. So not only can we put women to sleep; we can put them to sleep right back to when they first contacted us.

not uncommon (3, Insightful)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125591)

Now that there's ambien and those other zombie drugs, people are sleep driving, jogging, typing, cooking, and eating. I wish I was making those up but every single one has reportedly happened. Maybe drugs that screw with your brain that much that yo go into a semi-conscious zombie haze should be taken off the market. I'm not saying this lady necessarily took them, but that sort of thing has been known to happen on some sleep aids.

Re:not uncommon (3, Interesting)

badasscat (563442) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125651)

Now that there's ambien and those other zombie drugs, people are sleep driving, jogging, typing, cooking, and eating.

Well I hate to tell you this but those things were all reported before sleep aids even existed.

I'm not saying this lady necessarily took them, but that sort of thing has been known to happen on some sleep aids.

I think it's more likely that it happens to people taking sleep aids because they are overtired to begin with... which is why they're taking sleep aids.

In other words, correlation != causality.

Now, as for this, I found the summary both interesting and hilarious. I would be both freaked out and amused if I woke to find the stream of my subconscious having been typed out into a series of emails. Of course, I'd put a lock on my computer that would require complex thought to unlock shortly after...

Re:not uncommon (3, Interesting)

Architect_sasyr (938685) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125985)

Of course, I'd put a lock on my computer that would require complex thought to unlock shortly after...

It doesn't help. It takes three rather complex passwords and a USB fob to unlock my computer, and yet every now and then I wake up in the morning to find a bucket load of C on the screen and no idea how it got there.

What scares me is that "doctors" have "just" discovered this - when I'm sure hundreds (if not thousands) of slashdotters can claim to have done it years ago.

Re:not uncommon (3, Funny)

TheLostSamurai (1051736) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126039)

I used to take Ambien, but was lucky enough to not have any of those things happen to me while I was sleeping. I did however suffer another side effect, Sexsomnia [wikipedia.org]. Not a bad way to wake up, having sex with someone, but after a few times my girlfriend just starting slapping me in the face to wake me up.

Also, none of my friends seemed to want to go camping with me.

Re:not uncommon (1)

glitch23 (557124) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126409)

Now that there's ambien and those other zombie drugs, people are sleep driving, jogging, typing, cooking, and eating. I wish I was making those up but every single one has reportedly happened. Maybe drugs that screw with your brain that much that yo go into a semi-conscious zombie haze should be taken off the market. I'm not saying this lady necessarily took them, but that sort of thing has been known to happen on some sleep aids.

Somehow when those activities are being performed by people asleep they are being done just as well when the person is awake. The real problem comes when people are doing those activitites and then fall asleep. Usually when the order of activities is like that is when people stop driving on the road, stop jogging on the sidewalk, start cooking without potholders; that's when major accidents can happen. That is also a sign of sleep deprivation if it occurs for just a few seconds and if the person doesn't know it ever happened. Bad things can happen then but yet for sleep-insertactivity it seems people are "aware" of what they are doing and do it properly w/o incident. It's weird.

Re:not uncommon (1)

Holistic Missile (976980) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126879)

Maybe drugs that screw with your brain that much that you go into a semi-conscious zombie haze should be taken off the market.

Or sold cheap at parties ;-)

Umm... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26125593)

...It really reads more like she was either drunk or high while writing it, and I hate to use either of those in a stereotypical manner, but I get PLENTY of e-mails from friends who either drink too much or find other excesses, and that's exactly the kind of weird shit that they come up with.

The woman probably went on a bender that included some pills (some sedatives in particular are notorious for causing memory loss) and either isn't willing to admit she did it, thus creating some elaborate lie that's gotten way out of hand, or truly doesn't remember due to the substances and is embarrassed that she lost control. Not that she magically sat down in front of her keyboard and was able to type fully coherent English sentences in e-mails that just happened not to make sense in context.

I swear I was asleep Your Honor! (1)

ipX (197591) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125595)

A number of sleepwalkers have been acquitted of murder charges.

Re:I swear I was asleep Your Honor! (1)

smegged (1067080) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126777)

Yeah generally they're fine except when someone startles them. Sleepwalking is a very dangerous thing because an adult body is being completely driven by a subconscious intellect.

Sounds like.... (1)

fmerenda (78242) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125597)

> Each mail was in a random mix of upper and
> lower cases, unformatted and written in
> strange language.

Sounds like typical l33t speak. Maybe she turns into a hacker in her sleep? :)

Sounds like the work of Ambien or some other drug. (5, Interesting)

puto (533470) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125601)

Actually,

Many people take sleeping pills, pain pills, mix them with booze. And these all cloud or fog the memory, and bring out bizarre behavior.

I went through a period of sleeplessness and my doctor gave me a Ambien(a hypnotic) to put me down at night.

However, having spend a better part of my teens and 20s "experimenting" was able to evidently ride the drug out and function. I just did not remember it. My girlfriend has stories of me cooking dinner, calling my parents, and moving around the house very slowly.

I am going with she was high.

Re:Sounds like the work of Ambien or some other dr (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26125709)

I take Tylenol PM 5 out of 7 nights of the week, because it helps me go to sleep when I want, without having to worry about whether I slept in til 10am or something. It keeps my schedule from getting mixed up. Is this bad? I never have any of the side effects you list. I don't have memory problems and I'm fully aware of what I'm doing. It gives you a warm feeling and almost feels like you are a little drunk, and makes it very easy to sleep.

Any side effects of usage 5/7 days of the week for Tylenol PM?

Re:Sounds like the work of Ambien or some other dr (1)

puto (533470) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125839)

Tylenol PM is not a scheduled narcotic. Take an ambien and 20 minutes later you will not be able to stand for the most part.

Side effects. All tyelenol products are extremely hard on the liver. I would not drink booze the same day as taking anything with acetaminophen in it. Hits the kidneys pretty hard to.

Re:Sounds like the work of Ambien or some other dr (1)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126015)

Yes, the main sleeping ingredient in Tylenol PM (Diphenhydramine) is a dopamine antagonist [wikipedia.org]. What this means is, it attacks dopamine receptors, and keep them from receiving the dopamine that they would get during normal awake functioning. Most antipsychotics can fall under this umbrella. And just like antipsychotics, it can cause Tardive_dyskinesia [wikipedia.org] which I call "The crazy twitch" (You know... the twitch that stereotypical crazies have). This is incurable.

Re:Sounds like the work of Ambien or some other dr (1)

iamdrscience (541136) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126067)

Tylenol PM is just regular Tylenol with diphenhydramine a.k.a. "Benadryl" (in the US and Canada) added to it. Using it regularly in normal doses isn't very harmful at all. However, there has been at least one study which seems to show that tolerance builds quickly towards the sedative effects of diphenhydramine builds quickly, becoming comparable to a placebo after only a few days of use. Link [nih.gov]

YMMV.

Re:Sounds like the work of Ambien or some other dr (3, Informative)

Canie (652059) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125751)

Ambien is definitely a likely culprit.

I took it for a time and one night I emailed to a friend after taking it but before I went to bed. I had no recollection of it afterward. A couple of days later I wrote essentially the same thing to my friend, totally confusing her. That's how I found out about the first message.

It also caused horrible, screaming nightmares that freaked out spouse and our 3 dogs.

I adhere to what I've read elsewhere: If you're gonna take the stuff, take it immediately before going to bed. Don't take it and stick around online or in front of the TV. Do not pass GO and do not collect $200 (although I bet someone is already trying to collect a lot more from the drug company).

Re:Sounds like the work of Ambien or some other dr (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26125887)

As someone who has had sleeping problems my whole life, I'll chime in on this one (this is simplified for the ignorant):

Your brain has two functional bits... the "thinking bit" and the "doing bit" (yes, these are made up terms). The 'thinking bit' is what we use to solve problems, assimilate information (generally), and similar things. The 'doing bit' doesn't generally take conscious thought. This would encompass walking, chewing, picking up a glass of water.

When you go to sleep, your 'doing bit' is what is resting. Your dreams are a result of your 'thinking bit' at play. The problem with hypnotics is, they don't turn off your 'doing bit', but rather your 'thinking bit' in hopes that it will drag the other half down. This leads to you doing all sorts of things in automatic mode, with no recollection of what you did, because it is generally the 'thinking bit' that forms the memory.

Re:Sounds like the work of Ambien or some other dr (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125965)

Many people take sleeping pills, pain pills, mix them with booze.

Straight up, or on the rocks?

And these all cloud or fog the memory, and bring out bizarre behavior.

... working for a few months on a Blagojevich'ed project does that to me, too.

I went through a period of sleeplessness and my doctor gave me a Ambien(a hypnotic) to put me down at night.

Well, either your doctor is a saint, or a sadist, when we put our dog down, she never got up again.

My girlfriend has stories of me cooking dinner, calling my parents, and moving around the house very slowly.

Hey, great for your girlfriend ("He finally cooked dinner for me!"). Great for your parents ("He called us again!"). And if you were moving around very slowly, you probably didn't wake up with any bruises, from any events that you don't remember to have occurred.

Please keep it quiet, or my girlfriend and my parents will try to push this stuff on me.

Oh, and sorry for making fun, but thanks for some definitely useful information about a medication to avoid.

Re:Sounds like the work of Ambien or some other dr (1)

stefanlasiewski (63134) | more than 5 years ago | (#26127063)

That was my first thought as well. I know several people who took Ambien and would wake up in the middle of the night and do very odd things, such as eat an entire pie from the fridge, or go ride on the exercise bicycle, start cleaning with the vacuum cleaner ("Um, mom? It's 3AM"), and go back to sleep with little memory of the event.

Some of them even sent emails.

These were doctors and nurses who often work the late shift at work.

Ambien makes you sleep, but apparently you don't sleep well.

Seems like a good excuse as any (3, Interesting)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125607)

Recently, a guy sleepwalked to death from his hotel room balcony:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3727373/Briton-sleepwalks-to-his-death-off-hotel-balcony.html [telegraph.co.uk]

and another guy was acquitted of rape because of sleepwalking:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1085927/How-man-raped-cleared-sleepwalking.html [dailymail.co.uk]

Re:Seems like a good excuse as any (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26126381)

It's rather shocking that there are several cases of rapists being acquitted because of this. If they had committed murder instead, you think they'd still succeed with this defense?

You're still liable for your actions when you're extremely drunk or whacked out on drugs. I don't see why this would be substantially different. The woman was sexually assaulted. She can identify who did it. If there is substantial medical evidence that he was "asleep", that should be grounds for lighter sentencing or perhaps a lesser charge, not complete acquittal.

Re:Seems like a good excuse as any (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26126779)

Check out Homicidal somnambulism [wikipedia.org].

Yes, people have actually murdered in their sleep, and the defence has been successful in some of these cases.

If someone is actually asleep when they do these things, they have no control or intent, and should have no culpability.

(BTW, my captcha is "victims". Is Slashdot playing jokes on us, now?)

Somnemailism? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26125609)

Time for new term - Somnemailism?

That aside, Gmail's Drunk Protection would come handy for the patients.

Yeah, I see the solution so clearly now. (2, Funny)

deft (253558) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125611)

Yeah, I see the solution so clearly now, Was trying to solve this riddle for years.

'Cheating on your husband' is to 'virgin birth'
as 'drunken emailing' is to 'sleep mailing'.

SOLVED!

Only At Slashdot: (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26125627)

Drinks and caviar.

What an evening.

Boring.

Slashdot will close in 6 months.

Cordially,
Kilgore Trout

Re:Only At Slashdot: (1)

symes (835608) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125775)

And so another species of internet user is born... Forum Using Nihilists. Kilgore Trout, I accuse you of being FUN!

Re:Only At Slashdot: (1)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 5 years ago | (#26127141)

Not his fault, he's a sleep troller

Maybe Hitler was a sleep-evildoer? (I'll let you diagnose W.)
     

Not buying it (1)

Hao Wu (652581) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125645)

She was either SLEEPY and doesn't remember well, or she was drinking alcohol and thought it would be cute to show friends how drunk she was (later regretting it).

Re:Not buying it (3, Interesting)

Cochonou (576531) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125733)

You know, you can talk to sleepwalkers, and they will answer you. Sleepwalkers can also handwrite. Why wouldn't they be able to type in an e-mail ?
A widely reported behaviour of sleepwalkers is to redo in their sleep movements and actions they are very used to, like dressing up. Typing in an URL and a password might be such a repetitive action. Of course, you may also be right. But it doesn't seem that far-fetched to me.

Re:Not buying it (2, Interesting)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126707)

Typing in an URL and a password might be such a repetitive action.

This is true. For 'lower security' passwords that I don't change often (yet are sufficiently complex), I often can't remember exactly what the password is if I have to tell it to someone else, I have to type it.

Missing something? (4, Insightful)

dexmachina (1341273) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125671)

From the summary and TFA, it sounds like she found out emails that she didn't recall writing had been sent from her computer, so she went to a doctor and they concluded she was sleep walking. No where does it say anything about observational studies being conducted, or anything that suggests anyone actually saw her do this. So...why exactly was the possibility of her account being hacked/pranked by a friend ruled out?

Re:Missing something? (2, Insightful)

penguinbrat (711309) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125929)

I can see some hacker out there laughing his off at this - for his new fangled virus randomly puts together jargon'ed sentences, and sends out emails (along with his virus) from the address book, and we intelligently come up with "Sleep Mailing"...

Re:Missing something? (1)

exp(pi*sqrt(163)) (613870) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126991)

Even your hypothesis is overly complicated. There's a human behavior that explains every single feature of the story and is very common in humans. It's called 'lying'.

Sleep Posting (4, Funny)

Joe the Lesser (533425) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125673)

iN SovIET RUsia, U must BE New OVERlordS, PROFit1!

Re:Sleep Posting (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26125741)

Look comrade, I show up to your house with The Communist Manifesto and vodka and you make up some lame excuse about "sleep posting". If you didn't want the second underground meeting, you should have just said so! I'm a Slashdotter, I'm used to rejection, there's no need to lead me on and come up with lame excuses at the last minute.

what we can learn from this (1)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125677)

Every once in awhile I review my outgoing box, mostly to make sure I haven't made some commitment and then forgotten about it... But after reading this, I'll be checking my outbox more often, and more carefully.

Amazing what happens when you're asleep (4, Interesting)

syousef (465911) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125747)

A few years ago in my mid 20s I was diagnosed with Sleep Apnea. I knew I wasn't well. I felt tired all the time, wasn't as sharp as I was because of the tiredness, was falling asleep at work even after weeks of early nights and was getting headaches. It even got to the point where I'd occasionally hallucinate or experience sleep paralysis. The kicker was falling asleep at my desk and in meetings at worked. I had to fix it or my life would very quickly end up in the toilet. It took weeks to work it out because doctors were doing blood tests etc. Once I video taped myself sleeping I knew exactly what it was and I didn't need a medical degree.

That video was one of the most revolting things I'd ever seen, and to this day thinking of it literally makes me cringe. I looked like some sort of snorting pig. I would stop breathing for between one and two minutes, then take the most loud awful pig like snorting deep breath, take a couple more shallow breaths, then stop breathing for a minute or two again. I'd do this for the length of the video. It turns out no one who had heard me snore wanted to bring it up out of politeness. I think they assumed I knew. On the other hand I had NO idea. I didn't think it was possible to do that in your sleep without knowing, but not only was it possible, it had been going on for months (or possibly even years) before I worked out what was happening.

Now I'm on a CPAP machine at night which opens up my airways so I don't stop breathing. I hate the damn thing - being hooked up to a mask blowing air into your nose just sucks badly - but just a couple of nights without it and the headaches return and I start feeling tired again. The change when I went on the CPAP was instant - mornings I felt so fresh and awake that it was surreal. I'd rather be dependant on a damn machine than constantly fall asleep, lose my job, walk around like a zombie moron, behave inappropriately or sluggishly because I'm half asleep, be unable to drive, and ultimately die of blood pressure related illness. I don't think I'd be alive today without it.

Anyway the point is this experience has shattered any illusion of knowing what happens when I'm asleep.

Re:Amazing what happens when you're asleep (2, Informative)

puto (533470) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125907)

Was your apnea due to you being overweight?

I used to work in a sleep center and all of our apnea patients had at least an extra 30 lbs on them, I would say only about %.0005 were thin.

I would reccomend that if you are carrying around some extra lbs, to ditch them, get some exercise, and you will not nead the machine.

Weight, apnea, sedentary job, especially being as young as you are is not a healthy way to be.

Re:Amazing what happens when you're asleep (2, Informative)

bonehead (6382) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126193)

I have sleep apnea. I'm also very thin. The doctors are always riding my ass to GAIN some weight.

But, yes, you're right. Being overweight is one of the major causes. It's just not the only one.

Re:Amazing what happens when you're asleep (1)

puto (533470) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126291)

Have you thought about the surgery?

It works wonders for most.

Re:Amazing what happens when you're asleep (1)

syousef (465911) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126723)

Surgery actually doesn't usually work. Success rate is abysmal over the medium term, and all the varied types of surgery are described as very painful. Not to mention the cost and risk of complication.

Surgery is a wonderful life saving technology but it should never be your first resort unless other options are ineffective.

Re:Amazing what happens when you're asleep (1)

syousef (465911) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126831)

Yes, I'm overweight. I've been overweight my whole life though and only developed sleep apnea in the last six or seven years. My sleep specialist does recommend I lose weight but after examining my airways doesn't think I'll be CPAP free even after the weight loss.

In any case I find excercise difficult as I also have a bad ankle due partly to arthritis and partly to an injury I sustained ice skating in my teens. Ironic for a guy like me that's never enjoyed sports much. (The ankle specialists I've seen say it needs to be fused, and that's one nasty operation with not fantastic success rate and isn't a good thing to do early in life as the arthritis will return). Yes there are forms of excercise that I could do that don't involve the ankle but weight loss would be difficult.

In any case do you know what the statistics are for long term non-surgical weight loss? Not many people are able to keep the weight off. I'm not quite prepared to go the route of surgery just yet.

Re:Amazing what happens when you're asleep (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26127067)

there are two ways to lose weight:
1. exercise more
2. eat less

while you may have trouble with (1) due to your physical injuries, there's no reason you can't do (2).

and, while this is somewhat beside the point, there are quite a few non-impact exercises you could do even with a shot ankle. look it up.

seriously, if you don't want to die younger than you have to, can the excuses and do it.

Re:Amazing what happens when you're asleep (1)

sleeponthemic (1253494) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126463)

Initially, I too, found it quite sinister experiencing the unconscious me but that subsided pretty quickly. I began recording myself (audio) because I was having a very intense paralysis/possession dream. I wanted to know whether I said/did anything during these dreams. What I discovered was shocking. In the past year I've screamed, shouted, giggled, made bizarre comments and strange sounds, hummed etc. It is constantly surprising to experience the varied pitches and vibes coming out of my mouth. I should point out, none of this occurred during a possession dream for which I am absolutely silent during.

All of this I have no memory of. Most of it I find incredibly amusing, though. Here is me SINGING whilst asleep [sleeponthemic.com].

Sounds a lot like spam... (1)

mellon (7048) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125769)

Are they sure this stuff actually came from her? I get spam like this all the time - just not from people I know.

You can do anything asleep as you can awake. (1)

TheDarkener (198348) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125785)

When you sleep, you are in a Theta/Delta state of consciousness (generally 0.5 - 7 cycles per second). Doesn't mean you can't function, you just function in a very different state of consciousness as you do when you're awake (Beta/Alpha, genrally 8-40 cps). Theta states are associated with meditation, "super learning" and other things (possibly sleep walking/talking/emailing).

At the very least, I find it intriguing and would love to learn more about how people communicate during these states of consciousness.

Doesn't surprise me a bit (1)

he-sk (103163) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125831)

I've apparently made calls to other people at 8 in the morning without remembering it 2 hours later. In fact, I was quite confused when they referenced the earlier call, I didn't believe them at first. But I figured that my cell phone log isn't lying to me. I was told that I was quite intelligible, too. Oh yeah, before somebody asks, I wasn't high or on sleeping meds, although I might have gone to bed late.

I'll sleepwalk when I'm stressed (4, Funny)

Skyshadow (508) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125895)

I have a history of sleepwalking from time to time, usually when very stressed.

Back in 2000 when I was trying to find a job before college ended, I got up, logged into my Linux box, sudo'ed to root and changed the root password -- to this day, I have no idea what I reset that sucker to.

In 2002 when I was (rightly) worried I was about to be laid off, I crawled into our closet, started tossing my wife's shows out and screaming about needing to rewire to stop my idiot users. I have no idea.

Anyhow, based on the few times I've woken up during this, it's like I'm acting in a way that makes perfect sense but obviously does not -- I'm operating from a completely made-up set of rules for my reality.

Oh man, she was SLEEPING? (2, Insightful)

Gizzmonic (412910) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125931)

Marisa? Does that mean the date is off?

C'mon, I thought we were finally getting somewhere. I even went out and bought the finest wine and caviar, all for you, my 44-year-old somnambulist. Does this mean my robe and wizard hat will continue to collect dust?

Increase sample size... (1)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | more than 5 years ago | (#26125979)

Doctors have reported the first case of someone using the internet while asleep...

...to include System Administrators and it won't be that surprising... :-)

Sleep tech support (1)

bigtangringo (800328) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126065)

This would happen on the graveyard shift back in the day. I only ever sent out one that was mildly incoherent.

I caught myself on all the rest. I wish I still had the file I kept of them; a few of the gems I kinda remember:

something about hot dogs

information regarding the customer's order of shoes arriving on time.

I worked at a domain registrar/hosting company :)

Like emailing while drunk? (1)

Neanderthal Ninny (1153369) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126155)

I remember a story about using an authenication method to prevent you from sending mail while inebriated from Google. I think this will prevent a sleep emailing person from emailing anyone since you need to read the problem and solve the problem on the screen (unless you are a math klutz).
http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/technology/September-October-08/Mail-Goggles--Google-s-Gift-to-the-Inebriated.html [findingdulcinea.com]

The Modemer's Keep and Xanadu One... (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126369)

I read the secrets that you keep
When you're posting in your sleep

A friend said he'd been caught contributing code to a dial-up BBS he was co-sysop of while asleep (a GBBS system, writing ACOS (a variety of BASIC) code). The sysop at the console broke into chat while he was typing, and he just kept typing code into the chat buffer instead of the editor, not getting any audible signal that his mode had changed. And it wasn't just a data send as there would be typos, pauses, and corrections made to the typos.

Oh my god... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26126387)

She's sleep chillin'!

Sleep writing (2, Funny)

david.given (6740) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126401)

Back in 2005 I entered Nanowrimo: National Novel Writing Month. You have to write a 50,000 short novel in the month of November. That's a lot of writing. It took me about two hours per day, every day, and as I suck at scheduling this meant I ended up doing it late at night instead of sleeping.

The result was that I would occasionally fall asleep at the keyboard. And keep writing. Some of it was gibberish:

I spent the rest of the night running things over in my head, tyo get them straight before running down, and helping a friend try and find a contact lens he once dropped on the beach.

Some of it made sense, but was just strange:

Personally, I suspected that those rock-eating worm creatures had just taken over the planet. It would probably sdve a lot of time.

(No, rock-eating worm creatures did not feature anywhere in the story.)

Some of it was my subconscious talking to me:

I was beginnig to become a veteran; the mind-numbing perspectives flashed by, until I became aware of a jagged corner on the side of another corner and cnother...

I shook my head and the nightmarish image faded. Must get some more sleep, I thought idly.

But I was really pleased with this, which is an entire appropriate nightmare dream sequence that I wrote in my sleep:

My dreams, such as they were, were haunted by the memory of magic: the feel of the magician rummaging around in the back of my mind; the inexpressible flow of power as I held the power stone; watching Chrana's grain of sugar skipping about on the table... power and energy flowed round in endless circles, while I was trapped in the middle unable to dip my hands into the flow. On one side of the vortex Sarah screamed and threw her hands up in front of her face as the car spun. On the other, Chrana gleefully juggled monstrous blocks of sugar. At last, with a burst of sheer willpower, I flung myself into the flow only to discover that I had limitless power but nothing to focus on. I strove for focus and perceived the universe, but was powerless to change anything...

(All typos original. This is all first draft stuff, straight from my subconscious!)

Unfortunately the whole thing, a technical fantasy novel, turned out to have pretty major plot flaws in it which I never got round to fixing. But if I ever end up finishing it, that last passage is definitely going in.

Re:Sleep writing (1)

Aphoxema (1088507) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126629)

That actually makes amazing sense, it's like some kind of startling gaze into your Id.

Do it more o.o

Re:Sleep writing (1)

puto (533470) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126815)

Reads like you were channeling Carlos Casteneda after Don Juan Mateos had just dosed him with one of his plant concoctions in order to get him to see the crack between worlds.

Re:Sleep writing (1)

TheDarkener (198348) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126859)

That is absolutely amazing, what you wrote in your sleep. I've never written/typed while sleeping, but I have had lots of lucid dreams. One of which I remember quite well (most recent), where I was conversing with a dream character about the fact that I was lucid dreaming. I remember, word for word, one sentence I muttered to him, trying to explain the concept of lucid dreaming:

"It's like virtual reality for your brain, but you're not in it (your brain)."

That always stuck with me. Your excerpt makes me wonder whether there are parallels.

captcha unsafe (1)

buchner.johannes (1139593) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126423)

How could she get her password right and not write mails that make sense? It is obvious now why CAPTCHAs are SO broken, and spam is common!

Re:captcha unsafe (1)

Paradigm_Complex (968558) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126609)

After doing nearly anything with sufficient repetition it becomes second-nature, to the point where virtually no thought is necessary - it's all muscle memory. Entering passwords is a perfect example of this. I know I've been able to log into my boxen and check my email while to tired to actually write anything recognizable - although I was awake.

CAPTCHA's change and require some thought; they aren't really comparable.

Been doing this for years... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26126501)

sleep 3600 && echo What I want to say | mail -s "Delayed mail" user@domain.com

ZzzZZzzZzZ... (1)

Star Particle (1409451) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126971)

COme tOmoRRow AnD sORt thiS HeLL HOle Out. thAT iS NoT dEaD wHiCh caN eternal LIE. aND wiTH sTraNge AeOnS eveN deATh maY die. Ph'nGlUi mGLw'nafH CtHUlhU R'LYeh wGAH'NAgl fhTAgN.


ps - bring CHiPs

SleepIRCing (1)

Phroggy (441) | more than 5 years ago | (#26127121)

I swear to you this really happened [webwizardry.net] a few years ago. The transcript was slightly edited for clarity (a few unrelated comments were removed), but f0rked claimed to have no memory of this.

Note the reference to Ripper [anus.com], which he thought was funny at the time.

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