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Chinese Automaker Unveils First Electric Car

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 5 years ago | from the jump-start-on-the-competition dept.

Transportation 341

JuliusSu writes "A Chinese auto manufacturer, BYD, is introducing today the country's first electric car, a plug-in hybrid vehicle. It plans to sell at least 10,000 cars in 2009 for a price of less than $22,000. This put the company ahead of schedule against other entrants to this market, such as Toyota, due to release a similar car in late 2009; and GM, whose Chevy Volt will be launched in late 2010. The company is best known for making cellphone batteries, and hopes its expertise in ferrous battery technology will allow it to leapfrog established car manufacturers."

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quality (4, Funny)

krakelohm (830589) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126129)

This should be good, lol.

Re:quality (1)

ChromeAeonium (1026952) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126177)

This should be good, lol.

If we're lucky. If they can make an affordable, practical, electric car, more power to them, and if they really sell 10,000 next year, I guess we'll find out.

Your "American" car is full of Chinese stuff (5, Insightful)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126413)

That high quality American car is packed to the gunnels with Chinese made parts, including engines.

About the only thing that is truely american is the arrogance.

Re:Your "American" car is full of Chinese stuff (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26126485)

Chinese made

They designed the engines too? I thought all they did was jack the work of others and rebrand it Fhord and GeeM.

Re:Your "American" car is full of Chinese stuff (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26126595)

True, but don't underestimate the challenges involved in actually assembling a good-looking car that's safe and doesn't break.
Remember the Yugo? Remember how Hyundai was (until recently, anyway)? Hell, (if you're old enough) remember how the Japanese cars once were?

BYD has shown they know how to build laptop batteries. They may be able to scale it up to automobile level (although this is not trivial).
However, they have years to go before they are capable of building automobiles that can compete on safety, comfort and reliability against existing auto makers. They may get there eventually, if they survive that long (Hyundai did, Yugo didn't); however, it's definitely not going to be with their first car. This has nothing to do with being Chinese, and everything to do with being new to market. I wouldn't trust Tesla's first car either, although charging $100K each may give Tesla an advantage in that it can afford to do more over-engineering and cherry-pick good parts than BYD can at its price segment.

Re:Your "American" car is full of Chinese stuff (4, Insightful)

Grimbleton (1034446) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126913)

True, but don't underestimate the challenges involved in actually assembling a good-looking car that's safe and doesn't break.

Remember the Yugo? Remember how Hyundai was (until recently, anyway)?

Remember Chevy? Remember Ford?

Yeah.

Re:Your "American" car is full of Chinese stuff (4, Interesting)

Brigadier (12956) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126937)

One thing I have learned is never under estimate the Chinese, this is a country that has had a incredible GDP since the days of the silk road. One could have said the same about IBM and the computer. we all know how that went. It's not hard to reverse engineer and improve upon an existing design. The only hard part is consumer confidence and brand recognition. US Automaker have done such a good job of killing consumer confidence that most Americans no longer care where it's made cept the fact of the economy

Re:Your "American" car is full of Chinese stuff (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26126613)

Who said anything about American cars? Oh, I get it. "High quality American cars." You were trying to be funny, weren't you?

Re:Your "American" car is full of Chinese stuff (3, Insightful)

MukiMuki (692124) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126645)

It's packed with Chinese-made parts that have to adhere to American safety regulations.

Is this batch of 10,000 going to do the same?

It's a serious question, btw. At $22k a pop this could very well be the case.

Re:Your "American" car is full of Chinese stuff (5, Interesting)

Facegarden (967477) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126659)

That high quality American car is packed to the gunnels with Chinese made parts, including engines.

About the only thing that is truely american is the arrogance.

Arrogance? You obviously don't know much about chinese cars. It doesn't matter where the parts are made, but american cars aren't ENGINEERED in china. So far all the chinese cars that have been engineered in china have been terrible. I remember one example that looked like any other common car in the US or elsewhere, but it did so poorly in crash testing it couldn't even manage ONE STAR. It was a deathtrap.

Don't call people arrogant without checking your own ignorance. I'm not saying the car can't be good, but given what has come out of china so far, people have a right to be skeptical.
-Taylor

Re:Your "American" car is full of Chinese stuff (5, Funny)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126673)

About the only thing that is truely american is the arrogance.

Best in class baby! USA! USA!
...whoops, the steering wheel on my Pontiac caught on fire. [*]

[*] BTW, this actually happened to me on a 5 year old
1986 Pontiac Grand Prix while I was driving it.
I now drive a Toyota.

Re:Your "American" car is full of Chinese stuff (0, Troll)

gapagos (1264716) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126743)

That high quality American car is packed to the gunnels with Chinese made parts, including engines.
About the only thing that is truely american is the arrogance.

You sir, are my hero. THANK YOU.

Re:Your "American" car is full of Chinese stuff (3, Informative)

gr8_phk (621180) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126903)

Actually no. There is a LOT of stuff in cars of all brands that is actually made in the U.S. There is also a lot made in other countries. But from what I've seen - working in Detroit for a long time - is that China is not the largest contributor of parts. Go ahead and argue that some Ford cars are assembled in Mexico, while some Toyotas are built in Alabama (not sure that's the right state) but China is not involved in the same way they are with toys for example. I know it's popular to bash Detroit, but this dumping on them with unfounded gibberish is really getting old. When there are 20+ vehicle manufacturers in the US, it's impressive that the 3 still hold as much market share as they do. Someone must be buying the vehicles.

Re:Your "American" car is full of Chinese stuff (1)

hb253 (764272) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126951)

gunwales

Re:quality (1)

LoRdTAW (99712) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126427)

Yea I can picture it now!

"BDY has recalled all 10,000 electric cars after a motorist was burned to death when his car battery exploded"

Re:quality (2, Funny)

stonedcat (80201) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126461)

But explosions come free of charge..

Besides everyone knows that individual lives aren't important in China.

Re:quality (1)

Nefarious Wheel (628136) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126469)

And the Corvair and Pinto were less of a death trap? Give them a couple of years of success and customer feedback (read "people who vote with their wallet") and may the better solution win.

Re:quality (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126843)

Better yet,

wait until (if it's successful) they make plants in the US, built exclusively in the US under a US subsidiary, but people complain that we're fueling china.

Re:quality (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26126771)

You mean, all 9999 cars.

Re:quality (1)

nobodylocalhost (1343981) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126781)

They wont. In China, the value of a human life is cheap. Just look at the motorcycle sales vs accident ratio for the first generation Chinese motorcycle, the death rate was 100%, yes, 100%! Basically what you get is human trial of products. As far as the government is concerned, they consider every Chinese hybrid owner a beta tester. They are very practical, every death is one number less to worry about in term of over population.

You're (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26126483)

...retarded. Nothing is made in the US anymore dipshit.

Re:You're (1)

Grimbleton (1034446) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126933)

My '05 Civic was!

Re:quality (1)

matrim99 (123693) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126691)

No doubt. Don't lick the paint!

Re:quality (1)

JAlexoi (1085785) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126769)

FYI: You get what you pay for, this goes for the Chinese manufacturers too.

Re:quality (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26126821)

Acid rain from the coal fired plants that charge the main cells produce an additional battery effect due to all the lead in the vehicle's paint.

I'll believe it when I see it (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126137)

Vaporware. Woo Hoo Hoo.

Re:I'll believe it when I see it (3, Insightful)

DeadDecoy (877617) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126171)

I kinda doubt Warren Buffett would invest in vaporware....

Re:I'll believe it when I see it (-1, Troll)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126213)

Heh, you're the reason why there's a financial crisis.

Re:I'll believe it when I see it (5, Insightful)

DeadDecoy (877617) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126361)

Well that was a complete non-sequitur and kinda rude. My point was that Warren Buffet (one of the richest men in the world) has made his fortune by investing in companies that actually turn a profit as opposed to typical speculation. Because of his past success and a 10% stake, there's a chance that the Chinese car is not vaporware.

Now your comment implies that I am somehow responsible for the current financial crisis either because I make speculative investments or take out/issue bad loans, perhaps based on what Warren Buffet does. Those implications aren't true, nor do they have any bearing on the comment I made. So, I can only assume you're trolling for easy mod points.

You should stop because it only makes you look like an idiot.

Re:I'll believe it when I see it (-1, Flamebait)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126371)

Your entire proof that Buffet has any interest in this venture is a story on Slashdot. That makes you the idiot.

Re:I'll believe it when I see it (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26126407)

I read this whole thread. I think that entitles *ME* to the title of idiot, you insensitive clod!

Re:I'll believe it when I see it (5, Informative)

pushing-robot (1037830) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126477)

Your entire proof that Buffet has any interest in this venture is a story on Slashdot. That makes you the idiot.

Curiously, I do not share your sentiment about the other poster.

I am, however, fairly confident that you are an imbecile. [google.com]

Re:I'll believe it when I see it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26126919)

Rated -1, Smug as Fuck

second post (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26126141)

A couple weeks ago, while browsing around the library downtown, I had to take a piss. As I entered the john, Barack Obama -- the messiah himself -- came out of one of the booths. I stood at the urinal looking at him out of the corner of my eye as he washed his hands. He didn't once look at me. He was busy and in any case I was sure the secret service wouldn't even let me shake his hand.

As soon as he left I darted into the booth he'd vacated, hoping there might be a lingering smell of shit and even a seat still warm from his sturdy ass. I found not only the smell but the shit itself. He'd forgotten to flush. And what a treasure he had left behind. Three or four beautiful specimens floated in the bowl. It apparently had been a fairly dry, constipated shit, for all were fat, stiff, and ruggedly textured. The real prize was a great feast of turd -- a nine inch gastrointestinal triumph as thick as his cock -- or at least as I imagined it!

I knelt before the bowl, inhaling the rich brown fragrance and wondered if I should obey the impulse building up inside me. I'd always been a liberal democrat and had been on the Obama train since last year. Of course I'd had fantasies of meeting him, sucking his cock and balls, not to mention sucking his asshole clean, but I never imagined I would have the chance. Now, here I was, confronted with the most beautiful five-pound turd I'd ever feasted my eyes on, a sausage fit to star in any fantasy and one I knew to have been hatched from the asshole of Barack Obama, the chosen one.

Why not? I plucked it from the bowl, holding it with both hands to keep it from breaking. I lifted it to my nose. It smelled like rich, ripe limburger (horrid, but thrilling), yet had the consistency of cheddar. What is cheese anyway but milk turning to shit without the benefit of a digestive tract?

I gave it a lick and found that it tasted better then it smelled.

I hesitated no longer. I shoved the fucking thing as far into my mouth as I could get it and sucked on it like a big half nigger cock, beating my meat like a madman. I wanted to completely engulf it and bit off a large chunk, flooding my mouth with the intense, bittersweet flavor. To my delight I found that while the water in the bowl had chilled the outside of the turd, it was still warm inside. As I chewed I discovered that it was filled with hard little bits of something I soon identified as peanuts. He hadn't chewed them carefully and they'd passed through his body virtually unchanged. I ate it greedily, sending lump after peanutty lump sliding scratchily down my throat. My only regret was that Barack Obama wasn't there to see my loyalty and wash it down with his piss.

I soon reached a terrific climax. I caught my cum in the cupped palm of my hand and drank it down. Believe me, there is no more delightful combination of flavors than the hot sweetness of cum with the rich bitterness of shit. It's even better than listening to an Obama speech!

Afterwards I was sorry that I hadn't made it last longer. But then I realized that I still had a lot of fun in store for me. There was still a clutch of virile turds left in the bowl. I tenderly fished them out, rolled them into my handkerchief, and stashed them in my briefcase. In the week to come I found all kinds of ways to eat the shit without bolting it right down. Once eaten it's gone forever unless you want to filch it third hand out of your own asshole. Not an unreasonable recourse in moments of desperation or simple boredom.

I stored the turds in the refrigerator when I was not using them but within a week they were all gone. The last one I held in my mouth without chewing, letting it slowly dissolve. I had liquid shit trickling down my throat for nearly four hours. I must have had six orgasms in the process.

I often think of Barack Obama dropping solid gold out of his sweet, pink asshole every day, never knowing what joy it could, and at least once did, bring to a grateful democrat.

Re:second post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26126221)

If you must troll, make it something original for once, we've all read the one about eating obama's shit. Now mod me down for being offtopic.

Re:second post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26126263)

Look, we're getting tired of this shit.

There is an art to good trolling. Copying and pasting that tired old waste of screen real estate ain't gonna cut it anymore. It was only funny the first 5 times.

Slashdot's intellectual standards for posting are higher than the norm and here, troll posts are no exception. Do your damn homework and come back with a comprehensive proof of the theory that one's penis size is inversely proportional to their brainpower and use a survey of races and ethnicities to prove your point. The penis size debate(www.penissizedebate.com) is a good starting point of what should constitute a lengthy(no pun intended) troll post.

Re:second post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26126299)

I never thought I'd say this, but I miss the GNAA. At least they changed portions of their standard troll to include (sometimes humorous) allusions to current events. By today's standards, they were downright brilliant.

Re:second post (1)

kurt555gs (309278) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126411)

This troll has been used and abused. Changing the main character to Obama does not show any originality. Trolling is an art form when done properly and people will react to wit and originality. This is obviously an amateurish lame attempt.

If you wish to research proper trolling, I suggest that you browse to: http://www.gnaa.us/ [www.gnaa.us] and see how it's done.

Please refrain from further posts until you build up your troll skill level.

first first (-1, Offtopic)

weekendli (930534) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126151)

First!

Re:first first (1, Offtopic)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126159)

[citation needed]

Red Article? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26126163)

Is this article red because its about the Chinese?

Re:Red Article? (1)

Anthony_Cargile (1336739) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126253)

I would like to know the reason behind the red articles too, as this has been reported several times now, once even visible by me. I think it might have to do with the fact that there are no comments (in the cache) at the exact moment we view the front page, or because it is brand spanking new.

Taco and Hemos haven't commented since Idle was announced, so if somebody has any idea as to what this is please - do tell.

Charging an electric car (4, Interesting)

seanadams.com (463190) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126167)

This is a little OT but I figure someone here might know. With so many electric cars finally coming to market I thought it would be smart to plan ahead even if I'm not ready to take the leap yet...

So, I'm in the process of a remodel and have an easy opportunity to install a high-amperage electric circuit to some location in the garage. Is there any emerging standard for charging electric cars that would dictate the ideal location to put the outlet? I.e. in front of the car, driver side, passenger side, what height from ground, etc. Also amperage, type of plug etc would be good to anticipate, although initially I'd just have an empty conduit running there from the load center.

Re:Charging an electric car (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26126195)

Extension cord?

Re:Charging an electric car (4, Insightful)

eln (21727) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126337)

My understanding is that most (all?) of these plugin hybrids are being designed to fit a standard household electrical socket. I would think if you have a standard GFI outlet in your garage (and I think just about everyone does) you should be fine. Honestly, I don't see how these things would take off if they required rewiring your house just to be able to recharge them.

Re:Charging an electric car (3, Informative)

ArsonSmith (13997) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126467)

Last I had heard they were tiered. Standard 110v was like 12 hour recharge, 220v (like water heater or dryer) was like 4 hour and a nonstandard 440v could do in 1-2 hours.

Re:Charging an electric car (1)

seanadams.com (463190) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126529)

A standard outlet delivers at most enough power to run a vacuum cleaner. At that rate, you're going to be recharging for something on the order of one hour for each mile driven. Maybe they can charge from a regular outlet in case of emergency, but that would not be suitable for daily recharging.

Re:Charging an electric car (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126675)

A standard outlet delivers at most enough power to run a vacuum cleaner. At that rate, you're going to be recharging for something on the order of one hour for each mile driven. Maybe they can charge from a regular outlet in case of emergency, but that would not be suitable for daily recharging.

Most of the world runs on 220-250V. I think the US made a bad guess with 110V. It is too expensive to deliver high current at low voltage.

Re:Charging an electric car (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126787)

a 20 amp outlet at 120V is capable of putting out over 3 horsepower. So in ten hours could put out the power to run fully loaded 30 horsepower motor one hour.

Re:Charging an electric car (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26126649)

Yeah, just like Top Gear's review of the Tesla yesterday.

Brilliant.

What, 14 hours to recharge? 55 mile range (instead of the advertised 200+).

Then they looked at Honda's hydrogen/electric car and decided that was the future. Not home-charged electric vehicles that can't recharge in under half a day. You certainly need something a lot better than 13A @ 230V - maybe a 200A circuit would help things. 400A in 110V countries ...

Re:Charging an electric car (1)

djupedal (584558) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126343)

Front connectivity seems most common to me (businesses, parking stalls, charging stations). Your choice to have it come in from the left, right or center.

Re:Charging an electric car (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26126811)

The Volt seems to be putting it on the driver's side front. It seems there is a good reason for this: It greatly reduces your chance of driving off with the cord plugged in. As such, expect variants on frontal placement to win out over time.

(In fact, one would hope there'd be other failsafes for drive-offs, but it's probably better to let you scoot around while plugged than risk disabling the whole vehicle because of a fault in a 'charger present' switch or detection circuit.)

Re:Charging an electric car (1, Insightful)

hotdiggitydawg (881316) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126415)

Do what they do for gasoline pumps - put it up high on one side, and get a long enough cord to connect it. If you want maximum flexibility, why not connect it to the ceiling above the center of the car (maybe with a small boom to assist with cable management)? That will keep it out of your way while walking around the vehicle, yet still make it visually obvious whenever it is plugged in.

Re:Charging an electric car (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26126545)

If possible, run two.... one near where drivers side fuel door would be and one where passengers side would be.... or in a 2 car garage that has a post in the center, run it to the post... then you can do drivers side of the righthand stall and passengers side of the lefthand stall.

I would run 50 amp 220 and 50 amp 110.

Worst case, if you're wrong, at least you'll have power there that you could use to plug in an emergency backup generator, etc.. and shut off the main breaker, and backfeed from your high amp breaker, into the main box and feed the rest of the house off of it. Lots of rural people I know run their generators that way so that they still have heat and water when the power goes out. They can also run a welder off of the outlet if needed.

Re:Charging an electric car (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26126661)

Just run an empty conduit for now. People are already using high power chargers for their homemade EVs:

It's possible, though unlikely, that a plug-in hybrid will use anything other than a standard 120v 15A outlet for now (even though it's less than ideal)

Re:Charging an electric car (2, Insightful)

Trahloc (842734) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126857)

My vote would if you can, bring 480v 3-phase into the garage, plop down a small transformer, and then you can use 240v, 208v, 120v, all at the same time if you need to. Whatever power options win out you'll be set to take advantage of. Just leave some space for whatever primary charging standard wins out, but in the mean time you can have him install ALL the current standard XXXv 20/30amp sockets.

Anyone can make an electric car (1)

No2Gates (239823) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126175)

Does this mean it's reliable?
Is it made of Melamine like all their food?
I avoid any products made in China now because I can't trust them anymore. How much food is recalled and childrens toys? Do you want to be in an accident in one of these things and then find out that to cut costs, they used cheap air-bags?

Re:Anyone can make an electric car (4, Interesting)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126471)

I avoid any products made in China now because I can't trust them anymore. How much food is recalled and childrens toys? Do you want to be in an accident in one of these things and then find out that to cut costs, they used cheap air-bags?

Another reason to avoid Chinese goods (if their human rights record isn't good enough) is that their industry is ecologically harmful. Chinese industry have little incentive not to polute the environment in some of the most egregious ways.

Re:Anyone can make an electric car (4, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126517)

Does this mean it's reliable?

No, it doesn't exist yet.

Is it made of Melamine like all their food?

You're planning on eating the thing? Interesting.

I avoid any products made in China now because I can't trust them anymore.

Don't eat random products made anywhere.

How much food is recalled and childrens toys?

Boy, you're really hungry, aren't you? Shouldn't eat toys.

Do you want to be in an accident in one of these things and then find out that to cut costs, they used cheap air-bags?

No, I don't want to be in an accident in anything small. I want to be in an accident in my 3/4 ton 4WD pickup.

Re:Anyone can make an electric car (1)

jonesy16 (595988) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126573)

I want to be in an accident in my 3/4 ton 4WD pickup.> The train will win ... and I doubt 4WD will make a difference. I, for one, welcome the opportunity to never get in an accident.

Re:Anyone can make an electric car (1)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126793)

I want to be in an accident in my 3/4 ton 4WD pickup.

I, on the other hand, would rather avoid an accident entirely by being in a smaller car with a lower center of gravity and that has more maneuverability than a beached whale.

Re:Anyone can make an electric car (1)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126855)

I am thrilled about BYD's F3DM, I think it's the kind of car the world, especially the US needs.

That said, I think your attack on the grandparent post is slightly (not completely) unjust. Give him/her some credit: Chinese food is, undoubtedly, a health hazard. China is a huge country, with lots of people and a disproportionate amount of corruption. Very weak to non-existent consumer protection. And a LONG history of contaminated, toxic food. If you concentrate only on the melamine stories of late, you miss the much bigger picture.

So, I think the grandparent post deserves to be taken into at least some consideration. Do not eat food from China, seems like a wise guideline.

I had a witty comment... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26126191)

But I failed to prove I was human!

Bye, bye GM :) (4, Insightful)

djupedal (584558) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126239)

Detroit wasn't interested...someone had to get on with it.

GM killed electric trolley public transportation on the East Coast decades ago, pushing for city buses made by GMC that used internal combustion. The VOLT was promoted using jazzy images of impressive body lines that promoted interest, only to release a breadbox as the final design. GM doesn't want the VOLT to succeed, and now with their imminent demise, they may get their wish.

BYD will be in NA in short time, and more like them will follow. I wish them best of luck.

Re:Bye, bye GM :) (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26126379)

Na Na Na Na, Na Na Na Na , heyyyyyyeyyyy good-bye

Bring on the vehicles of the 21st century

Re:Bye, bye GM :) (1)

sokoban (142301) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126393)

BYD will be in NA in short time

And will probably be here long time.

Re:Bye, bye GM :) (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26126431)

[The VOLT was promoted using jazzy images of impressive body lines that promoted interest, only to release a breadbox as the final design. GM doesn't want the VOLT to succeed...]
Here we go again...

The original design was so un-aerodynamic that Bob Lutz said it was almost better if they put the car in the wind tunnel backward. That's why it was changed.

Re:Bye, bye GM :) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26126565)

[GM killed electric trolley public transportation on the East Coast decades ago, pushing for city buses made by GMC that used internal combustion.]
Not so fast...
http://ti.org/antiplanner/?p=30
http://www.1134.org/stan/ul/GM-et-al.html

Re:Bye, bye GM :) (1)

Nefarious Wheel (628136) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126593)

...The VOLT was promoted using jazzy images of impressive body lines that promoted interest, only to release a breadbox as the final design. GM doesn't want the VOLT to succeed...

I believe you.

General Motors is very competent in the area of marketing memes. They know exactly what impression a name will have on the buying public. The very name VOLT in upper case invokes the image of a brush against an electrified fence, not a family-friendly econo people carrier.

This is a bit more subtle, however, than there previous attempt at not selling a car the public demands -- the Chevy Impact. As me friends might say, "subtle as a 'frown brick".

Re:Bye, bye GM :) (1)

Nefarious Wheel (628136) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126641)

Gaaak! Their previous attempt. THEIR.

Dobby must be punished.

Which is it? (2)

thered2001 (1257950) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126297)

A hybrid or an electric? GM, Honda, and Toyota hav all produced hybrids. Tesla produces an impressive electric car. What is new here except that *this* Chinese manufacturer is producing *this* car?

Re:Which is it? (1)

Abreu (173023) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126583)

Price

Re:Which is it? (3, Informative)

JamesTRexx (675890) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126643)

It is hybrid, it has a backup gasoline engine.
It's not really new, but it's better than all electric like the Tesla. It may be fast, but as it has been shown in the latest episode of Top Gear, it has a major drawback, recharging time.
Seeing the hydrogen-powered Honda FCX Clarity in that same episode showed how it can be done practically. Fill up like a gasoline car, be done in two minutes and drive on.
For those that haven't seen it, info and torrent link here [finalgear.com] .

If you RTFA (1)

gearheadsmp (569823) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126651)

you'll see that it's the first hybrid to be produced in the PRC.

red? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26126347)

slashdot has gone drudge.

Obligs (-1, Offtopic)

sokoban (142301) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126367)

In communist China, Hybrid car plugs YOU in.

Something about "Erectric" cars

1. Make chinese electrical car
2. ???
3. Profit

Me Chinese, me play joke, me put battery in your car that can run for 100 km on a single charge

It runs on electricity, but does it run Linux?

I for one welcome our environmentally friendly overlords.

All BYD's electric cars are belong to the Chinese (until the 2011 US and European releases)

Imagine a beowulf cluster of these

You must be new here, Robert Anderson Unveiled the first electric car in the early 19th century

Re:Obligs (1)

ArsonSmith (13997) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126505)

You forgot to include a car analogy.

ah but you forget.. (1)

julienthjamminjabber (1241742) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126519)

In Korea, only old people rehash old slashdot memes.

Uh, what? (1)

arizwebfoot (1228544) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126383)

" hopes its expertise in ferrous battery technology will allow it to leapfrog established car manufacturers"

Okay, so if I were Goodyear then that would equate to me being able to make a better car because . . .

Oh, wait . . .

Re:Uh, what? (1)

hotdiggitydawg (881316) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126579)

Not quite. Pick a powertrain vendor instead of a tire vendor and you've got an appropriate analogy.

I'm getting a WATER powered car ... (0, Troll)

Roark Meets Dent (650119) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126445)

Water-Powered Car [youtube.com] Incredible invention by Stanley Meyer (R.I.P.)
Water-Powered Car 2 [youtube.com] Another one, just unveiled in 2008 by Japanese company Genepax.
Water-Powered Car 3 [youtube.com] Denny Klein's car goes 100 miles on four ounces of water.
Water-Powered Car 4 [youtube.com] Daniel Dingel runs his car on water, too.
Water-Powered Car 5 [waterpoweredcar.com] Yet another website on the subject.

Re:I'm getting a WATER powered car ... (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126535)

You mean a metal hydride powered car..

I hope for a technology race (0)

religious freak (1005821) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126495)

Being very optimistic, I hope moves like this on the part of the Chinese will ultimately lead to a "Technology Race" between the West & India on one side and China on the other - similar to the Space Race of yesteryear. The race will involve space, but likely be much broader and include robotics and AI advances.

Or maybe we'll get caught in a major bout of cock waving with one another and just kill each other off.

I have to wonder (1)

DJRumpy (1345787) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126509)

If foreign auto makers are constantly fighting with their government over stricter standards or if they strive to get a leg up on the competition. I just think it seems to be an odd contrast to our big 3 who have lawsuits by the dozen to prevent states from setting stricter emission guidelines. If they would embrace what the people are asking for, perhaps they would actually be more competitive in the business. Do foreign auto makers do business the same way? I am genuinely curious.

Re: I have to wonder (2, Insightful)

athakur999 (44340) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126611)

Everyone seems to forget or willfully ignore that Toyota also filed similar lawsuits against states trying to impose stricter emission guidelines.

Re: I have to wonder (3, Interesting)

cdrguru (88047) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126677)

Part of the problem is that it would be rather expensive to engineer a car to meet 50 different emission standards. Nobody, except the state's showing their control, wants that.

So why not make it meet the strictest standards? Partly because it just keeps pushing the costs higher for stuff nobody needs in the other 49 states. There is also nothing that suggests there would be one "strictest" standard.

California was allowed to set requirements that no other state had for quite a while. In the beginning it required reworking and adjusting a car that was imported into California before it could be sold there. So you would see cars selling for $3,000 to $5,000 higher in California. Should you be so silly as to buy a car in Arizona when you were a California resident you would be faced with paying that extra amount to have the car modified before it could be licensed. So in a way, we have tried this already and it was a disaster. It might have helped out air quality in California or it might not have. Nobody really knows.

I'd say the biggest problem would be conflicting requirements between states. If this was allowed, and so far the Federal Government hasn't made it clear that such state level regulation would never be allowed, you would have a different set of hardware for each state for each car. Sure, California could have their regulations but there would be nothing to prevent Nevada from having different and mutually exclusive requirements.

The only sensible way is to have one Federal standard. It works for car owners, it works for car manufacturers and it can work for everyone else as well. The problem seems to be enacting some realistic legislation at the Federal level.

Also, it isn't going to help if some states are allowed to regulate batteries for electric and hybrid cars. Not long ago California prevented sales of cars with lots and lots of lead-acid batteries in them because of the hazards of both lead and acid. I do not know what the state of things are today, but there are plenty of people doing electric car conversions using lead-acid batteries. I suspect it is not legal to buy, sell, modify or license such a car today in California. There is no reason to think that other states will be any more forgiving about toxic pollutants if each state is allowed to pass their own regulations.

The lawsuits go both ways, two years ago... (1)

MRe_nl (306212) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126835)

"California's attorney general has sued the six largest U.S. and Japanese automakers for damages related to greenhouse gas emissions.
The federal lawsuit alleged that emissions from their vehicles have harmed Californians' health, damaged the environment and cost the state millions of dollars to combat their effects. The lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in Oakland, names Chrysler Motors Corp., General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co., Toyota Motor North America, Honda North America and Nissan North America."

The same type of "sue, countersue" activity has been seen in Europe.
Don't know about China, India or Japan though. How safe is it to sue the governement in China nowadays anyway, if you're a Chinese Company?

Gravity powered car (2, Funny)

IsMyNameTaken (1362911) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126527)

All you have to do is make the back wheels bigger than the front and you are always going down hill. This should improve mileage by quite a bit but be careful, if the size ratio gets too big it is almost impossible to stop.

It'll look acceptable in the show room (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26126543)

...but it will only take a full charge about 10 times, then the capacity will rapidly decline to about 10% and occasionally the battery will appear fully charged but then have no energy at all.

Warning (2, Funny)

diablovision (83618) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126577)

I drove one of these but two hours later I felt hungry again and had to drive it some more.

GM not able to get a plug-in electric earlier? (0)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126589)

WOW!?!

With all the sh*t that's been going on with them, and the money they are begging for, GM is not able to get an electric car to market earlier than late 2010? Well, this begs two questions:

1. What the fuck was GM's CEO doing all this time? I mean, what justified his salary and bonuses, much higher than the ones of the Toyota boss (and I don't see Toyota begging the Japanese govt. for a bailout)? Maybe he was working, or maybe he was spending the whole day sucking his wife's clit. I think the result would have been the same, regardless.

2. Wouldn't bailing out such a dinosaur be counter-productive in the ong term? A smaller GM would certainly be more able to turn out new designs. AND, more importantly, you don't teach people that if you fuck up, there's a magic fairy that will save you. One thing I have learned in life is, people are motivated by negative consequences. Remove the consequences, and you get indifference and inertia.

Bailing out GM would reward indifference and gross incompetence. I hope the Obama administration doesn't do it. But Bush might.

What Does It Look Like? (1)

LifesABeach (234436) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126627)

I RTFA, no images, uhmmmmm, I see. I hope that BYD can make the car to California specifications so that a down trodden masses like myself could buy one, AND drive it to work. This combined with a Solar Cell Roof could save me some large coin.

Okay (1)

arizwebfoot (1228544) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126669)

I'm Bosch and I make, among other things, spark plugs, master cylinders, alternators, etc and that should qualify me to make a complete car. BR>
Bosch is probably not the best example and they probably could make a better car, but you get the idea.

good luck getting support (3, Insightful)

SethJohnson (112166) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126713)



A big challenge to any new player getting into the electro-auto market is dealer support. Where is someone supposed to get parts for this thing or a Tesla? Sure, an electric vehicle design should require less maintenance, but even components will need to be replaced due to accidents and road wear.

I've heard people say the auto bailout money should go to a start-up like Tesla. The problem with completely abandoning the American automakers and putting public funds behind a startup is that the big three already have huge infrastructure in place. They already understand production. Bless the hearts of those Tesla idealists, but they're going to spend a BUNCH of money developing dealerships, parts distribution, training mechanics & sales people. And until their production numbers get big, the deals they'll cut with suppliers won't be as profitable as the ones Ford/GM/Chrysler make with their suppliers thanks to the economies of scale they're working in.

I'm not saying there isn't a place for smaller companies to come in and fill a niche demand. But now isn't the time to abandon the American auto companies and watch them perish. If that happens, Toyota, Honda, and Hyundai will assist in a huge transfer of wealth overseas.

Seth

Re:good luck getting support (2, Interesting)

haruchai (17472) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126949)

What's so hard about supporting an electric car?
Changing wires? Replacing batteries? How about we make the Big Three assist the nimbler domestic startups.
They've shown that their size has been a liability when it comes to change.
If they want public funds, they should be serving the best interests of the public - and, increasingly that means GOING green, not play-acting green.

economies (2, Interesting)

thephydes (727739) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126721)

It seems to me that this highlights the difference between an economy based on greed - "It's OK, we can continue to stifle innovation and rake in the profits", to one based on need - "We have the largest population and a fast growing economy (and associated emissions pollution), how do we meet both those challenges AND make a profit on the way?"

no Chinese designed car passes US standards yet (1)

peter303 (12292) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126829)

The US "secret trade weapon": safety and emission standards. Its coming: they learn quickly.

What's wrong with you people? (4, Interesting)

haruchai (17472) | more than 5 years ago | (#26126905)

I have yet to see a serious, insightful post about this story. A little googling turned up pics and data although I confess that I don't know what
16 kwh / 100 KM works out to in MPG.

The pictures I saw of the car look pretty nice. Congrats to the Chinese - if this turns out to be a quality vehicle, it may force the Big Three stragglers to dump some of their guzzlers and give
us clean, efficient vehicles we can depend on

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