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Toshiba To OEM Laptops With OpenSolaris

kdawson posted more than 5 years ago | from the good-news-for-lem-fans dept.

Sun Microsystems 226

ruphus13 writes to tell us of Sun's latest attempt to drive OpenSolaris adoption. The company has inked a deal to pre-install OpenSolaris on Toshiba laptops. "Slowly but surely, major laptop vendors are taking to the idea of shipping systems with pre-loaded open source operating systems. The latest case in point is Toshiba — one of the longest-standing players in the market for portable computers — and its new plan to pre-install Sun Microsystems' OpenSolaris on its laptops. The machines are supposed to ship in early 2009."

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To OEM, or not to OEM... Is that a verb?! (-1, Offtopic)

anomnomnomymous (1321267) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172045)

(IANAO)

I'm not an OEM-er.

Sun has the Novell problem (-1, Offtopic)

Teresita (982888) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172061)

Re:Sun has the Novell problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26172135)

Sun has the Novell problem: a bunch of whiners can't stop complaining about them with no good reason.

Problem of ARROGANCE and IGNORANCE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26172567)

You not knowing the reasons because you choose to ignore them, does not mean there are none. It means you're an ignorant asshole.

Re:Sun has the Novell problem (2, Interesting)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172159)

Not totally. Java isn't going anywhere (Microsoft hates Java), OpenOffice.org isn't going anywhere (Microsoft hates OpenOffice.org), OpenSolaris isn't going anywhere and Sun's partnerships with Canonical (Ubuntu), Red Hat and Novell/SuSE aren't going anywhere either.

Everyone thinks Microsoft is the only company to play dirty and use alliances as a means of a trap. Companies like Sun and IBM invented these tricks.

Re:Sun has the Novell problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26172405)

yeah, but Microsoft is so good, that it shafted IBM themselves!

Re:Sun has the Novell problem (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26172479)

(Microsoft hates Java) ... (Microsoft hates OpenOffice.org)

Careful there. That sounds a little too pro-Microsoft there. You might get modded -999999.

Re:Sun has the Novell problem (1)

javacowboy (222023) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172311)

Sun and Microsoft are not mortal enemies, but that doesn't mean they're in bed with each other. They're interests seem to coincide in many areas. Sun's strategy is to sell as many of their products, interoperating with as many 3rd party products as possible. That's why they've become a Windows OEM.

Are you seriously going to tell Schwartz that if one of his customers asks for a Windows box running on commodity hardware with a Java stack that he should turn down that business? Get real! Sun has to cooperate with Microsoft to ensure that setup goes smoothly.

So please explain how Sun's cooperation with Microsoft equates to Novell's desperate sellout?

Re:To OEM, or not to OEM... Is that a verb?! (1, Informative)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172187)

You can use it as a verb, albeit rather confusingly: "to OEM" something means they take another, "original equipment manufacturer" product and package it and sell it under their own brand, usually as part of a larger product. So a system builder would OEM an Intel CPU, and a Microsoft mouse, say. It's a kind of reselling. The OEM doesn't OEM anything strangely enough. I'm not sure it works with software, as the original branding is left alone, it's usually just called preinstalling or bundling. On the other hand the original branding of the mouse or CPU is also left intact, and the latter prominently displayed on the packaging.

Re:To OEM, or not to OEM... Is that a verb?! (0, Offtopic)

4D6963 (933028) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172335)

Welcome to the English language, where any noun can be verbed. (I was trying to be funny but turns out "any noun can be verbed" is all over the web already)

Solaris to beat Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26172069)

This will help a lot.

Re:Solaris to beat Linux (4, Insightful)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172091)

That is called competition. A thing that has lacked for too long in this field.

Re:Solaris to beat Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26172429)

Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, DragonFly BSD, Darwin, Hurd/Coyotos (stop laughing, it might be released before Duke Nukem Forever)...I don't see a lack of competition.

Re:Solaris to beat Linux (1)

knails (915340) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172537)

None of those have significant marketshare. With toshiba shipping laptops with OpenSolaris, it helps bring open source/alternative os to consumer consciousness.

Re:Solaris to beat Linux (5, Interesting)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172767)

OpenSolaris automatically detected my HP Photosmart printer by name and instantly installed the proper driver while displaying a nice, comfortable, professional-looking message window. That alone should win over skeptical Windoze fanatics.

Re:Solaris to beat Linux (4, Funny)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172217)

Solaris to beat Linux? Somehow I think hitting Mr. Linux Torvalds with a Solaris disc will probably do more damage to the disc....

Re:Solaris to beat Linux (1)

1stvamp (662375) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172589)

Joke would've worked better if Linus's name were in fact Linux.

Re:Solaris to beat Linux (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#26173175)

Here. Is this better?

Xolarix to beat Linux? Xomehow I think hitting Mr. Linux Torvaldx with a Xolarix dixc will probably do more damage to the dixc....

???

Re:Solaris to beat Linux (-1, Flamebait)

Anthony_Cargile (1336739) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172273)

I've never liked Toshiba computers, they have more problems compared to other machines. Call me flamebait, but installing OpenSolaris (which gave me hell in my tests) seems like a perfect match for Toshibas.

Re:Solaris to beat Linux (3, Interesting)

liquidpele (663430) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172489)

Okay Flamebait ;)
Toshiba is a pretty good brand imho. Much better than the crap eMachine and HP/Compaq crap you'll find at most electronic stores. I can't speak for OpenSolaris, but it looks nice from the review at ArsTechnica.

Re:Solaris to beat Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26173447)

OpenSolaris is nice.
It's just that it supports less hardware than Linux, is slower than FreeBSD, more insecure than OpenBSD, and runs on less architectures than NetBSD. Or let's put it in another way. It supports less hardware than OpenBSD, is slower than NetBSD, runs on less architectures than FreeBSD and it is more insecure than Linux.
Sounds fun?

Re:Solaris to beat Linux (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#26173541)

Toshibas are ok. I have a Toshiba laptop that still works (battery is dead though) that runs Windows 3.1. The main problem with Toshiba is that some of the components are quite cheap. For example, after about a year or two of use, the touchpad on one I had bought just stopped working, wouldn't run in any OS I tried so I have to use an external mouse (not a big deal, I usually use those anyways but still). However, the power cords on Toshibas have never given me the problems that Gateway and Dell/Alienware laptops have. On the two Gateway laptops I have owned, the powercord when not falling off, quickly managed to break a wire after just a year of use, a similar thing happened to my Dell and Alienware laptops, however the Alienware one mostly just melted and then proceeded to fry my motherboard (last time I buy from some high-end laptop retailer trying to get decent quality).

Re:Solaris to beat Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26173573)

You are comparing odorless shit to smelly shit by comparing Toshiba to eMachine. You should be comparing it to Lenovo, Panasonic Toughbooks and Apple Macbooks.

Re:Solaris to beat Linux (1)

ThePhilips (752041) | more than 5 years ago | (#26173445)

Solaris is used by many businesses and having always at hand system running similar system helps a lot.

I know number of people who would happily replace Linux on their lappies with Solaris: confusion from reading wrong man page caused not once delays in various projects.

But it's really about having a choice. Provided that OpenSolaris uses GNOME there should be only few regressions, as pretty much nobody willingly uses Solaris command line.

Though personally, I wouldn't trade my aging Linux PowerBook for the new OpenSolaris notebook. /me addicted to Linux. /me hates Unix.

I really like Solaris but... (4, Interesting)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172105)

Why go with Solaris and not Linux?
In terms of usability and functionality for a Laptop Solaris would be at a disadvantage to Linux and even Windows. Unless you job is to write and compile and or run Solaris X86 Apps. Then you are in general at a disadvantage to Linux which has more application written for it, communicates very well with Solaris Based Type Networks, As far as End User is concerned Linux and Solaris really look so much alike that it wouldn't be much of a learning curve.

Solaris is superior as a server OS. But for a desktop Laptop OS... Why?

Re:I really like Solaris but... (5, Funny)

Ed Avis (5917) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172149)

2009 is the year of Solaris on the laptop!

Re:I really like Solaris but... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26172597)

But since when do operating systems HAVE to follow Chinese Astrology?

Re:I really like Solaris but... (5, Insightful)

FlyingBishop (1293238) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172937)

The point is brand dilution. With Solaris (and OpenSolaris no less) offered on laptops, the computer==windows mentality will soon be as dead as the internet=IE mentality. When you have 3 viable alternatives with the same feature set, (Star/OpenOffice, Webkit/Gecko, Unix) the idea that Windows is somehow the 'best' option begins to just be silly.

For me, I can go to my friends and say, look, Sun, IBM, Novell, Canonical, and a ton of other companies have been pouring money into these free systems. These companies use them extensively. Have you honestly had such a fantastic experience with Microsoft that you want to stick with them when you have all these other options?

Re:I really like Solaris but... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26172195)

because linux is a bunch of mumbled forked garbage with no real central force behind it where as sun can be trusted to be cooperative with their vendors.

Re:I really like Solaris but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26172507)

This guy is clearly trolling, but he does have a point about the 'forked' part. That choice is great for us geek types, but mainstream users will be very hard to convert without a more centralized push behind desktop Linux

Re:I really like Solaris but... (3, Interesting)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172199)

Sun wants OpenSolaris to expand into the desktop market and perhaps they paid Toshiba enough and or Toshiba trusts Sun to support the OS more than other companies.

Re:I really like Solaris but... (4, Insightful)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172729)

I think you are right. I also think that OpenSolaris on a Toshiba laptop will be as popular as the Danger Hiptop (aka Sidekick from T-Mobile) has been. There are a lot of good things to say about Sun and Solaris and some bad things. What they do seem to be doing is moving to get some market share lost to Linux. It was not that long ago that you used Sun in the data center if you wanted reliable solid servers. It's not your only choice anymore. With Linux making inroads on the desktops of the world, Sun has a chance to move in and get some share without competing directly against MS. OpenSolaris is not that bad but has some limitations. With the Gnome desktop it looks more or less like any Linux OS. I have yet to see the SunBlade on my desk crater or act up. Rock solid operation.

If Sun and Toshiba can translate that reputation to the laptop and make it usable for Joe Public, Sun will not only be impressive, but on their way toward being a player that everyone has to worry about again. In the business that Sun is in, good is not enough. They need to be the preferred supplier of many people. That has to be their goal, to become the preferred supplier of computer products.

Hardware got really cheap, so x86 OpenSolaris is a smart move, a necessary one. Even Apple went there. They both should have anticipated it. If they get the app development further along, and morph their support systems to more or less match Linux distributions, they have a chance of regaining significant market share. Remember that the difference between new high end laptops and a data center server are decreasing every month. I don't think that Sun has any choice but to do this.

Re:I really like Solaris but... (1)

IntlHarvester (11985) | more than 5 years ago | (#26173605)

Sun wants OpenSolaris to expand into the desktop market and perhaps they paid Toshiba enough and or Toshiba trusts Sun to support the OS more than other companies.

Desktop market, hahah.

More likely these will be marketed as mobile workstations to the same small group of high-end users that keep Sun workstation business alive: Developers, CAD, GIS, and other traditional workstation apps.

Re:I really like Solaris but... (5, Insightful)

QuantumRiff (120817) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172223)

But the CHOICE is the important part. I don't care if they offer linux, Open Solaris, freeBSD, or even Darwin, its great to see that OEM companies are realizing that having a choice is a good thing. We've seen what happens when there is only one choice. OpenSolaris will only get better on laptops over time with this. Because it is "Open" it will drive competition (and hopefully share new features) with linux. This will drive having more compatible hardware, and better drivers, and companies will realize its nice to not send a chunk of every sale to MS.

Re:I really like Solaris but... (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172379)

Yeah, the choice is important, but what good is the choice going to do? It's "open" but it's not one of those operating systems that people are going to WANT to switch from Windows.

If you're trying to dislodge Windows from pre-installed computers, openSolaris is probably not the best bet... unless you are catering to the .005% that knows Solaris.

Re:I really like Solaris but... (4, Insightful)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172523)

It's "open" but it's not one of those operating systems that people are going to WANT to switch from Windows.

Why? The only serious issue with OpenSolaris I can think of is a lack of third party support, which is because OpenSolaris doesn't have a wide install base. If some major manufacturer, say Toshiba, of, say, laptop computers was to provide it pre-installed, then that might change.

OpenSolaris has a number of differences to, say, Ubuntu, which are very attractive, notably the ZFS file system. For Enterprise use, where all the critical applications (the Apache suite and virtually everything that runs over it, Kerberos, OpenLDAP, Samba, Various IMAP daemons, various MTAs, etc) are all supported natively, and it works well as a Xen domain, the support for ZFS makes it arguably a superior option to RHEL, and having the option of having it run as a desktop environment helps administrators use the same tools locally and remotely.

There's no legitimate reason to suggest it's not something people would want in preference to Windows. It's a solid operating system with a strong pedigree, a decent level of support, and some extremely nice features.

Re:I really like Solaris but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26172451)

But the CHOICE is the important part

I agree.

I don't care if they offer linux, Open Solaris, freeBSD, or even Darwin, its great to see that OEM companies are realizing that having a choice is a good thing

You keep saying choice. I don't think it means what you think it means.

We've seen what happens when there is only one choice

Are you referring to the red vs blue pill?

not send a chunk of every sale to MS.

Ah, so you intended to write about having no choice, also known as one option. Then, allow me to rewrite your post for you:
"I don't care if they offer Linux, Open Solaris, freeBSD, or even Darwin, its great to see that OEM companies are realizing that they have an option not to install Microsoft software on every machine they sell."

Re:I really like Solaris but... (1)

Vellmont (569020) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172455)


its great to see that OEM companies are realizing that having a choice is a good thing.

I'm not sure I exactly agree with you. OEM companies don't really care about "choice", they care about selling laptops. What's good is that the market has opened up enough that OEMs think they might gain some sales by selling other operating systems. The choice of OpenSolaris puzzles me a little though. Solaris isn't exactly a large market, and as the OP pointed out it's not really a good desktop OS.

The only thing I can guess is Toshiba is hope to capture a high-end developer market that's already using Solaris, and would jump at the chance to have it supported and installed from the start.

Bring forth the trebuchets! (2, Interesting)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 5 years ago | (#26173567)

I'm not sure if it's that the OEMs think they can sell that many, it's that they think Microsoft can't stop them any more.

We'll not know how many they could have sold before, because it's only recently that they've dared to try.

Microsoft is like a castle under siege, there's an attack from Asus on one wall, then IBM on another, then Dell at the main gate, now Toshiba... Each wave is beaten back, but the defenders look increasingly shaky.

Re:I really like Solaris but... (2, Insightful)

jhines (82154) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172331)

This is kind of a BS argument, in that other than the kernel what is different between the two? Both Linux and Opensolaris run the same open source desktop, and applications.

Re:I really like Solaris but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26172755)

I was a linux user since kernel version 0.11 but I switched. Solaris "feels" more solid to me.

Here is a place to start for differences:

http://wikis.sun.com/display/OpenSolarisInfo/Differences+Between+OpenSolaris+and+Linux

Re:I really like Solaris but... (1)

javacowboy (222023) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172333)

Isn't most software available for Linux available as source code? Oh, yeah, it is, because that software is open source.

Any Linux software written by a semi-competent coder (that doesn't use Linux-specific calls) can easily be ported to Solaris, or any other Unix. Hell, much of it has been ported to Windows and OS X (ex Gimp).

Besides, by ensuring that OpenSolaris runs on laptops, any subsequent updates will make it easier to install on a range of hardware. After all, all the drivers will have to be open source.

Re:I really like Solaris but... (1)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 5 years ago | (#26173575)

Now all we need is a semi-competent coder. I routinely find myself tearing out my remaining hair at work trying to get some piece o' crap written by a coder for whom "cross-platform" means "Fedora and Ubuntu" working properly on Solaris 10. Latest offender: PerlMagick, which requires idiot makefile hacks after ./configure to get to install properly.

Re:I really like Solaris but... (3, Insightful)

scubamage (727538) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172553)

Layer 8 types have heard of Solaris, and Sun Microsystems. Its more marketable than 'pure' linux because there is a large company supporting it, as opposed to an amorphous community which technically doesn't have anything really tying it together beyond the OS. As anyone whose ever pushed for open source adoption to an executive board will know, that's a real fear. Yes its cheaper, but what if there's no support? What if the website for the project goes down (as has happened with thousands of open source projects) and the forums go with it. Support dissapears. Yes there is enterprise linux, but I think a lot of the outsider view is still tainted by that idea of volatility.

Re:I really like Solaris but... (3, Informative)

digitalhermit (113459) | more than 5 years ago | (#26173153)

Its more marketable than 'pure' linux because there is a large company supporting it, as opposed to an amorphous community which technically doesn't have anything really tying it together beyond the OS.

True.. "Pure" Linux is an amorphous mass. But just compare *ONE* Linux company (RedHat) to Sun in terms of market cap:

Sun [yahoo.com]
RedHat [yahoo.com]

And RedHat just represents *ONE* Linux company. There are many out there. IBM and Oracle both support Linux. Linux has a much larger commercial support base than does Solaris or OpenSolaris.

Re:I really like Solaris but... (1)

scubamage (727538) | more than 5 years ago | (#26173287)

I agree completely, actually. I am simply saying that there seems to be a sort of stigma with linux that it is unrefined and unsupported because of its community roots. Solaris and other 'true' unix breeds have had corporate backing their entire lifetimes, whereas linux started with a crazy bearded man named Stallman and a geeky, somewhat self absorbed kernel hacker named Torvalds. They see 'linux,' they don't see the fact that it's an actual supported OS now. First impressions were kinda fumbled :(

Re:I really like Solaris but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26173457)

Absolutely.

I had a talk with our CIO and he's still under the impression that Linux (and Open Source in general) is being pushed because it's "cool". The reality is that most of the IT folks I know use Linux and open sourced products because they are boring. Boringly stable, boringly predictable, boringly reliable.

Re:I really like Solaris but... (1)

William Robinson (875390) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172785)

Linux might look as obvious choice, but maybe Toshiba went with OpenSolaris for financial, marketing and support reasons. (financially they might be saving money thanks to Sun's generosity instead of paying to Linux Vendors, Just a guess)

The end user still have option to create partition (or wipe out OpenSolaris the way we do with Windows), and install Linux. The good news is, end user will have one more OS to play with and no need to pay Microsoft tax.

Re:I really like Solaris but... (5, Insightful)

digitalhermit (113459) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172965)

Solaris is superior as a server OS. But for a desktop Laptop OS... Why?

I loved Solaris too. Knowing SunOS paid for my first house and first car. I used to maintain multiple enterprise systems all by my lonesome self. This included a mass of 450s and a couple 6500s.

Unfortunately, Sun seems to have lost their mojo. Solaris was once much better, much more reliable than Linux. When LVM was still trashing LVs under capacity loads, Sun had super-stable Veritas file systems. When Linux were marvelling at 4-processor systems, Sun was pushing out 64-way machines. At the time, Linux NFS was non-standard and failed under high load. Sun's NFS implementation was rock solid.

Then PCs grew up. And Linux grew up along with it.

There's a well-known chart that talks about the reason why Microsoft continues to add features (and bloat) to their products. The reason is competition. If they don't add features, then other products with fewer features can become "good enough" for what a user (er, consumer) needs. If Microsoft didn't continually add new features, users will ask themselves why they are paying a price premium for something they can do for free or at a much reduced cost.

But Sun went on another track. They decided they didn't want to court that rapidly advancing Linux horde. They missed out on the low-end server market by casting doubt on the future of their x86 Solaris product. They started hoarding their IP portfolio, forgetting their history. In all this time, Linux was getting "good enough".

Good enough, in fact, to steal away the web server market. Good enough to steal away the edge-of-network market. Good enough to steal away the low-end database market. Good enough to steal away the high-end workstation market. All these were Sun's markets. All gone. I know this because I used Sun boxes in these capacities.

At my company the last enterprise Sun box went away almost 18 months ago. We're pushing Linux to supplement our AIX systems now. And Linux excels. It's stable. It's supported. It's cheap. And it's doing what the Sun box did for $50,000 more.

Re:I really like Solaris but... (4, Interesting)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 5 years ago | (#26173629)

Depends. We use a lot of Sun boxes and a lot of Dell boxes. Solaris 10 on a Sun box (even an x86) is way easier to administer than Linux - particularly when things go wrong. The OS indicates problems very nicely in messages and syslog, better than RHEL does.

The downside is that modern open source software is too often written by coders who think "cross-platform" means "works on Fedora and Ubuntu."

So we end up doing things like running Solaris 10 on Dell boxes and RHEL on Sun servers ;-)

Sun's hardware is competitively priced and their service is really good (I'm in London), so we're very happy to stay with Sun boxes even running Linux.

Re:I really like Solaris but... (1)

0racle (667029) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172993)

Two things. First, OpenSolaris is being created to be as desktop friendly as Fedora or Ubuntu. It's not exactly like they're shipping Solaris with nothing but CDE as a desktop. Second, done properly an app written on Solaris or Linux would compile and run on the other. As in, not writing to Linuxisms and using standards instead. Complaining that Linux has so much more apps then OpenSolaris does is the same as complainging that Linux has so many more programs then FreeBSD does. An app that runs on Linux and not FreeBSD or OpenSolaris, unless it is interacting directly with the Linux kernel, is an app that is not following the many API standards that exist.

Also, wtf is a "Solaris Based Type Network?"

Re:I really like Solaris but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26173037)

Internally Sun uses toshiba's for they're "standard" employee laptop. Most Sun folks run OpenSolaris on they're laptops. All the testing and certification is already being handled by Sun so all toshiba has to do is sell it.

Re:I really like Solaris but... (1)

starfishsystems (834319) | more than 5 years ago | (#26173597)

Why? Because some people are used to running Solaris on the desktop. I switched to Linux a few years ago, and that's fine, for me. But prior to that I'd been using Solaris for about ten years.

In my experience, pretty much anything that traditionally compiles for Linux will also compile for Solaris. So if you can type "configure; make; make install" you'll probably survive. The main exception is window environment libraries. Best to get them precompiled.

Selling point?? (2, Interesting)

stupido (1353737) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172123)

What exactly is the selling point here? I can see how ZFS is enticing for servers, and perhaps a narrow range of power users, but most FOSS stuff is more work to install on Solaris (Open or otherwise).

Perhaps on a two-harddisk laptop ZFS is an interesting option.

Re:Selling point?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26172227)

Interesting, but pointless.

Re:Selling point?? (1)

mR.bRiGhTsId3 (1196765) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172373)

I thought OpenSolaris folks had baked in a nice gui for Nautilus that allowed almost transparent backup and recovery. ZFS checkpointing or some such is probably useful to everyone.

Time Slider (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26173421)

ZFS snapshots

Re:Selling point?? (1)

mevets (322601) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172957)

It probably makes a pretty nice work environment. It is a reliable base, with an easy to use interface, glazed with enough apps to do what most people want to do. Sounds a bit like a macbook.

Hey Toshiba - how about GNU/Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26172219)

What a slap in the face for GNU/Linux - again.

Ubuntu *works* on Dell equipment - believe it or not!

OpenSolaris will fail. Bad move on Toshiba's part.

A Marine's Tale (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26172233)

There are two things Marines are always taught

1)To keep your priorities in order

2)Know when to act without hesitation

An atheist professor was teaching a college class and he told the class that he was going to prove that there is no God.

He said, "God, if you are real, then I want you to knock me off this platform. I'll give you 15 minutes!"

Ten minutes went by.

The professor kept taunting God, saying, "Here I am, God. I'm still waiting."

He got down to the last couple of minutes and a Marine just released from active duty, and newly registered in the class, walked up to the professor, hit him full force in the face, and sent him flying from his platform.

The professor struggled up, obviously shaken and yelled, "What's the matter with you? Why did you do that?"

The Marine replied, "God was busy, so He sent me."

Unfortunately for the Marine, God didn't give a shit if the professor pressed charges or not, so when the police came to arrest him no force in heaven or Earth interceded. He was processed and put in a cell. While in the cell, he met an atheist hobo who claimed there was no God, so he beat that guy up too. over 9000 other inmates attempted to haul him off the hobo, so he beat them up as well. One of them suffered severe blunt force trauma and died in the ambulance on the way to the hospital. His bailed was not made and he waited in prison until the day of his trial.

Because of this, the marine was found guilty of four counts of aggravated assault and one count of 2nd degree murder and was sentenced to 15 years time served in state penitentiary, with parole opportunities after 7. Unfortunately, the judge was a well known, avowed atheist so the marine felt compelled to give him a piece of God's mind. The marine leaped onto the defense table and, using his scheming Jew lawyer as a lawn dart, struck the judge in the face. Parole opportunities were revoked.

While in jail the marine found himself very busy fighting anyone who showed the slightest lack of faith in God. Unfortunately, one afternoon in the sixth year of his incarceration, God instructed him to pick a fight with a particularly large man of Hispanic descent and, although he prevailed in the initial conflict, the 27 Latin Kings members who fell upon him following his victory quickly delivered blows sufficient to render him incapacitated.

Because of the severity of his injuries, he was given a bed at the prison hospital. While there, the prison psychiatrist conducted extensive interviews, ultimately determining that the marine was suffering from post traumatic stress disorder and late onset schizophrenia. He was immediately put on a extensive array of powerful anti psychotics and anti depressants; all of which he secretly was not taking, because God had told him the medication was from the devil and was being used by heretic Muslims and atheists to sever his ties to the Lord, his God. His condition continued to worsen and he spent more and more time locked in solitary confinement for his disruptive behavior. While there he would cry and scream and pray to the lord for guidance. In turn the lord would fill his eyes with visions of ultimate triumph over evil; the streets of pagan cities, clotted with the thick heart blood of the nonbelievers; abortion clinics fat with flies and the rotting flesh of the defilers; the righteous dancing in the vaulted crypt of the world as the sky turned to red ash and caught fire. He wept with joy as the profound visions filled his soul; the nourishing screams of the nonbelievers as they were dragged down into perdition, filled his ears and echoed in his head like beautiful music.

Unable to attend church in solitary, the marine began to despair. God then gave him the power to transubstantiate anything, so he began tearing great chunks of his own flesh from his body, at which point he would transform them into the body of christ and raise them to his mouth with trembling hands and consume them greedily. Likewise he transformed his blood to that of his savior, so that he could receive sacrament. He truly understood how well loved he was by his creator as he lay in his cell, weak from blood loss, cupped in the hands of a loving God.

Some time later he awoke again in hospital. This time he found he was strapped to the bed with thick leather restraints. He could no longer refuse to take his medication; they were delivering it into his bloodstream with needles. He cursed at them and tried with all his might to break free, imagining himself not unlike Samson. He knew they were all secret atheists and were working against him, working against GOD. But the loss of blood and effects of the medication made him too weak to fight back. So instead he lay there glowering.

Days turned to weeks. As time wore on the voice of god diminished, though never truly left him. Occasionally he could hear far off whispering coming from radio static or the rhythmic humming of the prison buses. It wasn't the same, though. God was no longer in him; he was more like a scent one occasionally catches hanging in the air, or riding on a breeze through the room, before disappearing entirely. His mind was dulled and slow and nothing made sense. Movement was laborious, like the air around him had turned to pudding. He slept more, no longer worked out. Fat replaced his muscle and stubble was upon his chin at all times. Before he was medicated, he had a sense of purpose and clarity that was almost terrifying in its starkness. But now... nothing made any sense. Without god he felt small and confused and alone.

It wasn't so bad, however. In the state mental institution he was moved to shortly after his second release from the hospital he had cigarettes and magazines. The paper was available on Sundays and he had been eligible to take part in the patient work program. He enjoyed working in the garden. Planting made him feel close to the earth and like he was accomplishing something. Most weekdays he sat and watched television in the commons with the other patients. Sometimes god snuck into the tv. Most times not.

Five years into his stay at the institution, God intervened again, in the form of Ronald Reagan. His groundbreaking movement to privatize the mental health industry made it no longer feasible to house patients of staff many asylums and so the marine, having completed his sentence, was released into the world. Without access to medication and therapy he quickly relapsed into psychosis.

Wandering the streets, his head full of divinity, the marine slept in alleyways and preached on street corners, spending what money was given to him on malt liqour. He collected cans and as he did so he sang hymns of his own design and screamed and spat and those the Lord pointed out to him as unbelievers. He came to live beneath an overpass for a time, until the cops chased him and the other squatters away. Eventually, he caught a ride on a departing freight train, getting off at a stop near Austin, Texas.

In Austin he witnessed a great congregation of evil, the likes of which he had never seen in all his travels throughout the Midwest. Queers, idolaters, the vain and the godless; fools and sinners all, ran the town. It was obvious that God had sent him there for a reason. There was much work to be done and he could hardly wait to begin.

That first night there he began preaching on the steps of the public library. God filled his voice with fire and he in turn filled the ears of the passerby's. Most laughed and jeered and moved on; some looked simply uncomfortable at his presence. They were how he knew he had power; his righteously acted as a divine rebuke against them, and they could not bear to look upon a man of god.

One day, months after his successful entrance as a fixture of Austin life, while he was preaching the word to any who would hear he was approached by a couple. They looked young and stylish, in a intentionally shabby way- common elements of what another hobo revealed to him was a subculture calling itself "hipsters". This hobo had gone on to explain that, while he didn't understand what it was they did or believed in, they sometimes gave a lot of change.

"What are you supposed to be," the man said. "Some kind of preacher?"

The marine wasted no time, "I am that which lies beyond in all of us. I speak the truth and so am transformed by the truth I know what I am, I know what you are. I know beyond knowledge and you had better find the lord before he finds you, child!" he said, flecks of spit gathering in his beard. His chest heaved as he labored to catch his breath; it pulled his t shirt up halfway past his belly. He pulled it down with the hand not holding his bible.

The girl laughed at this and lopped her arm through the man's, pulling him closer. "He's really weird."

"Yeah, a regular coco-nut. Man, you're a little crazy, aren't you?"

"I am the only one here sane enough to see, to see, to SEE the dawning of the Lord's wrath! He is with us now; he is judging us, preparing to reveal himself and exercise his GREAT WRATH!"

"Check it out, Marie. He's panting, haha."

"C'mon, let's go. He's a little intense. I think he might be on drugs, or something." The girl tugged at his arm.

"No, wait. Poor guy. He needs help, you know?"

"C'mon Charlie; let's go."

"I said wait, Marie. Jesus. Hold up while I help this guy. Hey, hobo Joe. Hey, look at me!"

The marine met the man's gaze with a fixed stare. God painted thick black lines of corruption over the man's body. He could see how dark and venal this creature truly was.

"Listen, I'm to help you, hobo Joe. See, you're a little wacky in the wicky woo, you know? All this god stuff ain't helping you either. If you wanna get your life straight you have to go get help. And you have to realize there is no such thing as God."

Lightning shot up the marine's spine. This one was placed before him by the divine hand of providence. He remained silent, as he had done before, and waited for the right moment.

"You know what I mean? It's a fairy tale that some people made up to feel better about things and your crazy brain just took it too serious. But there isn't any God."

"There is a God," the marine said quietly.

"No man, there isn't! Listen, God punishes the wicked, right? Well man, biblically speaking, I'm the wickedest man around. Now I'm not a thief or a murderer or none of that, but I sure as shit don't believe in God. To make it worse, I say horrible things about your imaginary God all the time. Not just to friends and family; I have a talk radio program that broadcasts to over 10,000 listeners and I say horrible stuff about your God to them all the time." He pushed a floppy lock of black hair from his brow "and I'm still here."

The marine gritted his teeth and balled up his fists, shaking almost imperceptivity with rage, "You are," he said.

"Right, so shouldn't I be dead right now if the God of that bible you're holding is real and doesn't like to be made fun of? Should he get back at me somehow? He's not, man; I sure as hell live a lot better than you. At least I don't smell like piss and Wild Irish Rose."

The marine was silent.

The man looked up at the sky and continued taunting God, "I'm standing right here, God! Do something to show this man you're real, or he's gonna have to admit you ain't there!"

The Marine waited a few minutes, then when he felt God's presence in him say the word, he stepped forward and grabbed the young man by the hair and swung him in a 140 degree arc, so that when he put him down the man was trapped between the Marine's body and the large stone lions outside the library. His woman screamed his name, but the Marine didn't care. The man curse and tried to fight back, but even with youth and health on his side, he was no match for the brute force of the marine's muscle, long hidden under thick layers of fat. He turned the man around, forced one arm behind his back and with his free hand (the bible had clattered to the ground when he advanced on the atheist) grabbed a thick handful of the sinner's greasy hair. He pulled it back with all his strength, bringing the man's head back with it.

"Ahhh, fuck! What the hell are you doing?" the man said.

He said nothing. The woman began to beat on his back, screaming at him, so he let his back leg out real quick, using a kick they had taught him in the core. He didn't see, but he could hear the greenwood snap of her ankle, the squeal of pain and the thud as she hit the ground.

"You're ffffucking crazy, you..."

The Marine cut him short, smashing the man's face as hard as he could against the stone. The first few times, the man struggle back with surprising force, but after the tenth time, he did little more than gurgle, a fair share of his face now smeared across the stone or caved into deeper recesses of the skull. When the Marine was sure he had done all that God wanted him to, he dropped the body and turned to leave.

By now a sizable group had gathered. It was so good to have a congregation, the Marine thought, and he gave the man's corpse a solid kick in the midsection to emphasize the point of his sermon. As the people in the front began to see what he had done the screamed and pushed away against the crowd. The glory of the lord is truly hard to take sometimes, he thought, but we must all bear witness.

The Marine could see the cops pushing through the people now, guns drawn. He knew he wouldn't be taken alive this time. God had made that clear. It was now his job to die a martyr and lead other souls into the glory of the way.

The woman at his feet looked up with tears of rage. "What's the matter with you? Why did you do that?" she said.

The Marine replied, "God was busy, so He sent me."

Re:A Marine's Tale (1)

4D6963 (933028) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172511)

I know you're trolling and all but anyways I really don't get the point this story is trying to make.

Re:A Marine's Tale (1)

cromar (1103585) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172805)

I think it's an elaboration on the text found here [snopes.com] . At least that's what came up when I Googled "God was busy so he sent me" ;)

A pretty interesting offtopic/troll to say the least.

What about drivers? (1)

Britz (170620) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172235)

Webcams seem to be high on the list of laptop users of today. Does OpenSolaris have many webcam drivers? Or maybe they went with the simple solution. Include a webcam and have a driver ready for it.

Re:What about drivers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26172573)

The builtin webcam on my new Lenovo R500 works just fine under OpenSolaris.

yeah riiight. (4, Insightful)

apodyopsis (1048476) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172263)

the next obvious move?

MS to scrap the OEM tax and instead install an OS that is free for 30 days and then asks you to did into your wallet and type in a credit card number.

MS will never allow this to continue without a fight, they drop the prices or allowed older operating systems anywhere they can to ensure machines are shipped with their OS.

It seems clear that threatening OEMS with more a expensive windows tax if they do not cooperate is becoming less effective these days.

They might even give the OS away free if they have no choice at all and get money back on cloud, upgrades, applications and web services. But I cannot see them ever willingly accepting PCs sold in large numbers without windows.

Re:yeah riiight. (3, Insightful)

enharmonix (988983) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172543)

They might even give the OS away free

Frankly, I've always wondered why they don't.

  • Most users aren't really clear on the concept of an operating system. They know Windows is on their PC, but don't really understand what it does (and what it doesn't do) or that there are alternatives. They probably don't even realize they're paying for it when they buy a computer.
  • It's a platform, and platforms generally have a low barrier to entry. Java is free. .NET is free (as in beer). The web is free. Console makers sell consoles at a loss (at first, anyway) because the real money is in software sales. MS never charged me for my Xbox dashboard update, so why would I want to pay for the same thing on my computer?

Who knows, if Microsoft can't convince people to move on from XP, it very well might end up free. Of course, I would also like to see Windows open-sourced, and that's never gonna happen, so hey. In a perfect world, anyway...

Re:yeah riiight. (1)

joaobranco (55662) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172939)

They might even give the OS away free

Frankly, I've always wondered why they don't.

Besides the obvious (bulk revenue from the OS is not something they can just ignore) there are some other reasons: A truly free OS (no strings attached) would be something they couldn't control. Anyone could make their adaptations (even without source code, by replacing some components). This would negate the advantage they have on the Apps market (Office).

A somewhat less free OS (some restrictions on what you could do with the OS) would still suffer from problems (like security, virus, etc.) that would require them to work on it, but if it was free without any revenue stream attached.

Re:yeah riiight. (1)

knails (915340) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172977)

Two points:

They probably don't even realize they're paying for it when they buy a computer.

That's probably one reason that MS charges for it. It's so transparent people don't know to ask to not have it.

Console makers sell consoles at a loss

Not all consoles. The gamecube wasn't sold at a loss (at least not until near the end of it's life), and, AFAIK, neither is the Wii, as it uses a lot of the same hardware.

Re:yeah riiight. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26172647)

the OS costs negative money - crapware fees included

Re:yeah riiight. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26172661)

MS to scrap the OEM tax and instead install an OS that is free for 30 days and then asks you to did into your wallet and type in a credit card number.

Um, I'd call that a victory. We wouldn't have to pay the Microsoft tax to buy a computer, and all of a sudden Joe Users across the world are going to find that his brand new computer is asking for another $100, on top of what he already paid for the computer. "Gee," thinks he, "maybe that ubuntu thingy is worth a shot."

This would be an enormous victory for consumers/open-source/puppies/whatever.

Re:yeah riiight. (1)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172681)

Asking OEM consumers to pay upfront for Windows is the one thing MS will not do. It makes people think "hey, maybe there's a way to do this for free..."

Re:yeah riiight. (1)

Rolgar (556636) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172799)

The thing about the 'expensive Windows tax' is, all of the major OEMs are now shipping non-Windows machines. That mean, every OEM should be paying the higher price, if it still exists. Which will only serve to drive up the cost of Windows for their customers. That either creates a larger price discrepancy between the Windows and non-Windows box, or the OEM will make more money by keeping the cost of the Linux machine similar to the Windows machine, which will encourage the OEM to sell even more non-Windows machines.

Microsoft has three possible responses to this, ignore it and depend on user inertia, compete on price by offering all OEMs the lower price or trying to otherwise offer discounts based on preferences, or offer an improved product that is worth the price.

Wonderful... (4, Insightful)

Brad_McBad (1423863) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172283)

But I have a feeling it won't last long... OpenSolaris is even more niche that FreeBSD. Once it's obvious the cost of giving people the choice is more than the the extra business it brings in it'll get dropped like a stone.

Re:Wonderful... (2, Interesting)

swordgeek (112599) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172913)

Speaking as someone who lives and breathes in the Solaris world...

True enough that it's a niche market, but let's not forget that Linux was just as small (if not smaller) of a niche some time ago. Also, OpenSolaris ties directly into developers for back-end enterprise software--there's a lot of gear running Solaris out there!

But I have to ask: What _is_ the 'cost of giving people the choice'? Assuming that Toshiba has set up the environment to efficiently install OpenSolaris on their boxes, it's a matter of one command to choose between Solaris, Windows, or Linux.

Re:Wonderful... (1)

Brad_McBad (1423863) | more than 5 years ago | (#26173101)

Surely it's more of a cost / benefit analysis. If I've got 15,000 hard drives imaged then I've had to have my imaging farm switch from something else, which will cost money. Perhaps not a lot, but enough to make it hurt when they don't shift. There's also training support workers, drawing up contracts blah blah blah. Bureaucracy tends to fsck everything up...

Customs (1)

Thelasko (1196535) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172417)

I bet customs will have some fun trying to look at all of your files on that thing. I've only played around with OpenSolaris for a few hours in a virtual machine, but from what I've seen, it's locked down pretty tight.

If they had any sense they'd install Ninnle (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26172471)

Never mind OpenSolaris, or Windows, or BSD or other flavours of Linux. There's only one OS that can do it all with finesse and security, and that's Ninnle Linux. This is where Tosh should be going.

Poor Microsoft (5, Funny)

CSHARP123 (904951) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172541)

I feel bad for Microsoft. They are getting hit from multiple quarters. Dell wants to ship Linux with laptops and now toshiba with Open solaris. Apple is expanding their notebook sales. In this economy, people need to protect our flagship company. I think this can solved by govt. by providing a bailout package of $30 billion to MS. Please call your representatives and senators so they can save our Flagship company.

Re:Poor Microsoft (2, Insightful)

knails (915340) | more than 5 years ago | (#26173051)

Ok, I know you're being facetious, but the Big 3 automakers really need it. I live in mid-Michigan, and I know to what extent the automakers' influence on the economy here is. If they go down, they're taking a large part of the state with them. Even if they don't go down, they've already cut large numbers of employees and cut production. This mostly due to the republicans in congress and Bush's lack of support and willingness to help pull them out. The extent of damages due to their delay has yet to be seen, but it affects literally millions of people.

Re:Poor Microsoft (2, Insightful)

javacowboy (222023) | more than 5 years ago | (#26173179)

I know this is *totally* off-topic, but why should the car companies get an unconditional bailout? They'll just burn through the cash in a few months anyways.

Since people aren't buying new cars anymore, what we need is to use those factories to build things other than cars, like windmills and solar panels.

Re:Poor Microsoft (1)

knails (915340) | more than 5 years ago | (#26173293)

I didn't say unconditional, did I? I don't care what conditions there are to it, they need to the money to keep the economy from dropping out completely.

Why? (2, Interesting)

javacowboy (222023) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172579)

Nobody's asking the right questions.

1) Why is Toshiba doing this? This will make them money either directly (Sun is paying them with either money or services) or indirectly (Toshiba wants to get a better deal from Microsoft).

2) Why is Sun doing this? I think they want to drive adoption of OpenSolaris among the open source developers that would normally use Linux. The low-hanging fruit is probably Java devs like me who would otherwise prefer to use Linux.

The market for developer workstations is not small, even the market for Java developers. Just look at how much of a stink Apple created when they left initially Java 6 off Leopard (now it's available for 64-bit Intel Macs only).

No BIOS support (1)

sgt scrub (869860) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172757)

Maybe the next bios patch for my Toshiba will not completely fux Linux access to hardware again. Do I dare chance it? They might even have re-enabled VT. I'm soooo tempted. But the last 4 times I had to rebuild, hack, and rebuild to get hardware to work again. But if they are going to support OpenSolaris... But what if my fears are correct and the bios update makes my machine a Vista only POS. I'm soooo torn.

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/general-10/warning-there-is-windows-in-my..-bios-544779/#post2705017 [linuxquestions.org]

http://forums.computers.toshiba-europe.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=61084 [toshiba-europe.com]

I will never buy a Toshiba Laptop EVER again. The assembly is shoddy, the hardware is the cheapest low grade crap they can put together, and the support is the worst on earth.

They are hunting for an Open Source OS that they can put on it for free (but charge you), that has very little hardware support so they don't have the shit storm of "why did you fuck this up" questions on their Linux support forums. It will take 2 years, max, for OpenSolaris to get to the same place (hardware support wise) as Linux. By then the laptop will no longer be supported.

I'm betting Sun will be the #1 Consumer (2, Interesting)

labmonkey09 (992534) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172895)

I bet Sun is 'paying' for this with a guarentee of a minimum customer base - expect to see Toshiba notebooks in the hallways at Sun facilities. Right now I see allot Macs running Solaris at Sun facilities and most Sun employees have XP installed on their non-Mac notebooks.

I like Solaris but there is essentially zero market demand for Solaris on notebooks.

Actually, I can see why they're doing this (5, Informative)

Lord Crowface (1315695) | more than 5 years ago | (#26172983)

I'm typing this from OpenSolaris 2008.11 and I'm actually surprised how "desktop-friendly" Solaris has actually become. The default GNOME-based desktop is gorgeous and works well. Hardware support may not be all that broad, but when hardware is supported it's REALLY supported: even booting off the live CD, my Atheros wireless card, NVidia 3D card and crappy on-mobo sound were "auto-magically" detected and set up. Performance is also quite snappy, even on my aging Athlon XP 3000+ with a measly 1 GB of RAM. In short, OpenSolaris is more than up to the task of working on Toshiba's new laptops.

Re:Actually, I can see why they're doing this (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26173521)

"Performance is also quite snappy, even on my aging Athlon XP 3000+"

Are you kidding me? Get off my lawn. And stop posting to slashdot during class, you might annoy your teacher.

Re:Actually, I can see why they're doing this (2, Informative)

dkalley (776724) | more than 5 years ago | (#26173663)

OpenSolaris is up to the task on old Toshiba laptops also. I have 2008.11 running on an old Toshiba Satellite 1135-S1553 and haven't had any problems. I really didn't expect everything to work so I was pretty happy with the install.

just remember... (2, Informative)

thatskinnyguy (1129515) | more than 5 years ago | (#26173009)

Just remember

svcadm disable nwam <br>
svcadm enable network/physical:default

That will fix most of the problems you will run into with Solaris. Other than that, it's a solid OS. Why they would put that Network Auto-Magic shit in, I have no clue.

Re:just remember... (1)

Lord Crowface (1315695) | more than 5 years ago | (#26173173)

So far, the "netowrk auto-magic shit" to which you refer, has served me quite well. Maybe you should turn it off for servers, but if you're connecting through a wireless card, it seems to work quite well. Better than NetworkManager on Linux, I would even venture.

Re:just remember... (2, Interesting)

thatskinnyguy (1129515) | more than 5 years ago | (#26173285)

True. All I've used Solaris for has been servers and it can be kind-of annoying having to edit the /etc/network/lpp file instead of the old reliable ifconfig route. I guess I'm just set in my ways. If you don't mind, I have to tell some kids to get off my lawn.

Hot New Enterprise Dev environment for '09 (2, Interesting)

itomato (91092) | more than 5 years ago | (#26173443)

Seriously:

If I could have Solaris as an option, I would take it. There's a justifiable niche here.. Solaris is a supported alterna-UNIX with class
leading development tools.

If OpenSolaris provided the second-best iPhone application development environment, it would be strong enough to justify the move.

If Sun takes the opportunity to bundle and better integrate OpenOffice with their new Enterprise Desktop, and add all sorts of security and platform robustness choices, it might have a chance.

There's enough technology present in Solaris to make a reasonable case for allowing it to compete against the much unloved Vista for Business, especially when Linux has taken the first wave of public criticism (Eee PC, Ubuntu, et al.)

If they can somehow coordinate a "Shake 'n' Bake" style maneuver with Apple (iPhone/Solaris/Dev with Apple/Sun/ZFS backend and iPhone integration) it could be a very good thing.

Apple will never take the Corporate Desktop summit, and I seriously believe they have stopped caring. Perhaps Sun recognizes this as well.

This is... (0, Troll)

alexborges (313924) | more than 5 years ago | (#26173463)

By far, the most ridiculous idea I have read in a very, very long time.

I mean, if Linux has trouble going mainstream, Slowaris is gonna take forever to gain any kind of traction in that space. Nothing trully userland runs fine in that thing, you cant play almost anything and GNU software, while very good when integrated by people in the know (like the linux distro guys), is a pain to make work fine in that other thing.

Anyhow: Sun, Toshiba, the worst of luck to you.

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