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Dubai Is Building a Refrigerated Beach

samzenpus posted more than 5 years ago | from the building-ice-castles dept.

Science 249

dataxtream writes "The world's first refrigerated beach is to be built at a luxury hotel in Dubai, located along the southern coast of the Persian Gulf. The beach will include heat-absorbing pipes under the sand along with large wind blowers, which will keep tourists cool and guard their feet against the hot sand. Half of me says these guys need a reality check, the other half wants to go there." I believe I've just thought of a way we could solve this whole global warming thing I've been hearing about.

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249 comments

beach erosion/movement (4, Interesting)

trybywrench (584843) | more than 5 years ago | (#26178859)

I lived in Daytona until i was 12 and remember the beach landscape constantly changing. Wouldn't they have to keep moving the pipes? Like bury them deeper at times and shallower at others based on what the beach is doing that day.

Re:beach erosion/movement (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26178971)

They are filthy rich camel jockeys who made their wealth by raping the rest of the world on oil... they don't care.

Re:beach erosion/movement (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26179033)

They are filthy rich camel jockeys who made their wealth by raping the rest of the world on oil... they don't care.

They're also dune coons!

Re:beach erosion/movement (1)

Curtman (556920) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179281)

They are filthy rich camel jockeys who made their wealth by raping the rest of the world on oil... they don't care.

Funny how oil seems to be a common theme among places building climate controlled beaches [pbase.com] . But they've had an air conditioned beach for quite some time now.

Re:beach erosion/movement (4, Insightful)

fictionpuss (1136565) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179675)

The funny thing is though, that if you go back a generation you'd see a role reversal in the jealousy with regards fancy Americans with their indoor plumbing and other technological innovations.

Comes around. Goes around. Etc. Get off the merry go round or keep cycling in what amounts to self hatred.

Re:beach erosion/movement (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26179775)

The funny thing is though, that if you go back a generation you'd see a role reversal in the jealousy with regards fancy Americans with their indoor plumbing and other technological innovations.

Comes around. Goes around. Etc. Get off the merry go round or keep cycling in what amounts to self hatred.

Or just, you know, push for alternative fuels, and cut dependence on foreign oil. Whining solves nothing.

Re:beach erosion/movement (4, Informative)

RajivSLK (398494) | more than 5 years ago | (#26178989)

Well, I'd guess that this is a man made beach with strict engineering and erosion control.

Also, I've lived in Victoria BC Canada for most of my life and our beaches barely change at all. So all beaches are not like Daytona.

Re:beach erosion/movement (1)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179363)

Hey, I'm from Victoria, BC too.

Raji's right - our beaches don't change much at all, above or below the surface.

If it's a problem, they could put a net down to resist erosion and build some breakwaters to cut down on the tides.

Re:beach erosion/movement (5, Funny)

Miseph (979059) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179457)

"all beaches are not like Daytona."

I've been to Daytona, and all I can say to that is: Thank Fucking God.

Re:beach erosion/movement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26178993)

Not in Dubai. A pound of sand washes away, an indentured servant from India hauls in another pound to replace it.

Re:beach erosion/movement (4, Insightful)

Brigadier (12956) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179019)

much of the beaches in Dubai are artificial. More in the sense that they have dredgers which constantly infuse new sand on the beaches to stop beach erosion. My main concern with Dubai desire to be the playground of the rich and famous is what they plan to do when terrorist realize there are infidels partying in their neck of the woods.

I've never heard Dubai speak of how they plan to handle potential hostility from extremists. It wont be long before what happened in India finds its way to Dubai

Re:beach erosion/movement (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26179167)

much of the beaches in Dubai are artificial. More in the sense that they have dredgers which constantly infuse new sand on the beaches to stop beach erosion. My main concern with Dubai desire to be the playground of the rich and famous is what they plan to do when terrorist realize there are infidels partying in their neck of the woods.

I've never heard Dubai speak of how they plan to handle potential hostility from extremists. It wont be long before what happened in India finds its way to Dubai

Dubai doesn't have a long history of using its secret agencies to overthrow democratically elected governments and replace them with dictators more favorable to its interests, so I strongly doubt they're going to have problems with "terrorists" like Western nations have had.

As far as India goes, tensions between the Indians and the peaceful serene religion of Islam isn't exactly new, take a look at why Pakistan was created in the first place. I don't care what the media says, I doubt we'll ever know the true motivations of the scumbags who committed mass murder in India recently, but I have some serious doubts about whether they were trying to effect political change by means of fear (isn't that what the media is for?) unless their goal was to see India become the fascist dictatorship that the USA is becoming (see the recent article about how cartography can get you terrorism charges in India).

Re:beach erosion/movement (3, Interesting)

Kagura (843695) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179689)

I don't care what the media says, I doubt we'll ever know the true motivations of the scumbags who committed mass murder in India recently

What? Do people just decide to organize a dozen people for months or years with detailed plans just for no reason, on a whim?

Re:beach erosion/movement (1, Informative)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 5 years ago | (#26180017)

Don't be retarded. He didn't say they didn't have motivations; he said we may never know them.

I don't really agree; I think their motivations are probably pretty simple: mainly to screw up India's economy. India and Pakistan used to be the same country, but after they gained independence, the followers of the "religion of peace" and the Hindus (who weren't too peaceful either) couldn't get along, so they split up into Islamic Pakistan, and mostly-Hindu India (a corruption of "Hindustan"). Since then, they've mainly hated each other, as seen in their frequent conflicts over Kashmir, and their nuclear arms race. But what difference have we seen between them in the last 10-20 years? India has recently had a booming economy, thanks to lots of foreign investment (such as outsourcing, as there's tons of engineers and computer professionals in India, plus lots of English(sorta)-speaking people who can man phones for call centers for much lower wages than Americans. While India's economy has been booming, what's been going on in Pakistan? Not much. While the West outsources engineering and other professional jobs to India, the only thing Pakistan gets to do is make textiles (and much of that work has probably gone to China recently).

So, of course, the followers of the "religion of peace" aren't too happy about their rival's success, so they want to put a stop to it. Notice that they took out this attack in Mumbai (formerly Bombay), a big center of foreign investment, and many of their targets were places where rich foreigners were. If this happens again, I'd be surprised if it wasn't in Bangalore, another big center of foreign investment, where lots of engineering firms do work for western companies.

Personally, I think I'll avoid any travel to India for a long while, and I'll be refusing to go there for any company business (we have a big department there we work with a lot). While it certainly isn't the Indians' fault they're subject to these terrorist acts, they have the misfortune of living right next to a prime state sponsor of terror. While the "religion of peace" followers certainly hate us in the USA too, it's simply a lot harder for them to get here to do anything. Plus, if they do (and they don't do it in one of the disarmed places like NYC or Chicago or DC), they're very likely to get shot by armed citizens, if not the cops. In India, the people aren't armed, and the cops are almost disarmed and have no training, as seen in these attacks where the police simply ran away.

Re:beach erosion/movement (5, Insightful)

eln (21727) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179169)

Given that there are more foreign workers in Dubai than there are citizens, and that most of those foreign workers get by on little better than slave wages and with few rights, I'm amazed something nasty hasn't happened already.

Dubai is building their playground for the rich on the backs of exploited foreign laborers. That sort of arrangement is rarely successful over the long term. Eventually the scattered civil unrest gets larger and more organized, and then the real trouble starts.

Re:beach erosion/movement (3, Informative)

Architect_sasyr (938685) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179473)

Apart from the data-charges (which are *lethal*), the office that I have in Dubai is more highly paid for the 8 people there than the 16 (including a CEO) in the Australian office.

Just a note, didn't really have anything to say but thought the "slave wages" was a bit of a stretch. At least for my set of foreign workers.

Re:beach erosion/movement (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26179847)

He's not talking about white collar professionals...he's talking about people from the Indian subcontinent and other poor regions that are used for manual labor (e.g. construction). I lived in the region for almost a decade, and it was shameful to see the way those people were treated, as if they were subhuman. Granted they make more than they would in their home country, but their quality of life is so low, especially in contrast with the insane amount of wealth and waste there. Even worse than their standard of living was the way they were treated by the indigenous Arab people. To give you a better context, if you've seen the movie "Syriana", the way migrant workers are treated is extremely realistic.

Re:beach erosion/movement (1)

batkiwi (137781) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179915)

Is this an office doing construction? Because he said it's being BUILT on slave labour.

Your co-workers are the ones the GP is referring to who are taking advantage of the things built by said labour.

Re:beach erosion/movement (5, Insightful)

zippthorne (748122) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179999)

What do the people in your office do? Are they out there building and maintaining the wonders of Dubai's skyline? Working the dredgers that build up the artificial islands? Serving the meals, cleaning the sheets, polishing the brass, driving the trucks?

Yeah. Of course the office workers aren't getting the slave wages. They're the rich people the slaves are building Dubai for.

Jeez man, think a little. Just because you need a job doesn't mean you're poor.

Re:beach erosion/movement (5, Insightful)

gujo-odori (473191) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179181)

No, I don't expect you would hear them speak about it. Better to have it just be a surprise to the bad guys, but I'd be very surprised if there isn't a plan. Also, in a small country like Dubai, it's easy to both know and control who goes in and out, and how they do so. Additionally, I expect that in Dubai, their laws probably give them rather broad authority in that are. Finally, Dubai is at least somewhat less of a target simply by virtue of the fact that it is an Islamic nation. That isn't to say that the terrorists have any qualms about killing other Muslims with whom they disagree - they most certainly have none - but it would make them look bad to attack an Islamic nation, and while they care not a whit for human lives, they do care about image and PR. Marketing, in fact, is probably the thing they are better at than anything else.

Re:beach erosion/movement (4, Informative)

a_ghostwheel (699776) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179317)

Dubai is not a country. It's either an emirate or a city (and judging from context it is a city here). Country is United Arab Emirates which does not really qualify for being called "small country".

Re:beach erosion/movement (2, Insightful)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179269)

The UAE doesn't have to deal with pesky problems such as "human rights". They can just post armed guard and snipers all around with orders to shoot first and ask questions later, if it really comes to that. And sink all unidentified approaching boats on sight.

Re:beach erosion/movement (2, Informative)

Neanderthal Ninny (1153369) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179367)

Your correct. Remember that palm shaped islands call Palms Island, shouldn't all things be that way, and they just spray sand dredged from the bottom of the Persian gulf and lay the palm pattern.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Islands [wikipedia.org]
I assume they will use breakwaters like this for the hotel but further away to make it more "aesthetic".
I don't know about how they will handle the extremist but I know how they handle the tourist already:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/10/16/dubai.sex.couple.prison/index.html [cnn.com]
http://drinkingfromhome.blogspot.com/2006/04/dubai-rape-victim-faces-prosecution.html [blogspot.com]
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/10/31/africa/dubai.php [iht.com]
I don't know who is worst, the government or the extremist.

Re:beach erosion/movement (0, Troll)

evanbd (210358) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179491)

I've never heard Dubai speak of how they plan to handle potential hostility from extremists. It wont be long before what happened in India finds its way to Dubai

Perhaps their plan is to not interfere with other countries.

Re:beach erosion/movement (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26179067)

Well, yes and no. I grew on an island off of the coast of North Carolina which was basically one giant beach that has to deal with erosion of not only it's beaches but the entire island. Their response to it was to replace the beach.

I am not an environmental engineer, but I do recall that they would dredge for sand that had naturally eroded off and pump it back onto the beach. They could just put the pipes down and pump the eroded sand back onto the beach every so often.

Now I'm sure it's not cheap, but Dubai is the kind of place that would have the cash for something like this. Of course if they're designing a beach, I'm sure they could include wave breakers or a way to keep the tide from causing to much erosion. Like moving the moon or building a giant water gate.

Re:beach erosion/movement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26179535)

Don't even need to use pipes, use big flexible tubes, problem pretty much solved.

The only thing i wonder is just how deep will they be?
Surface temperatures are significantly hotter than that even 1 foot under.
Pipes 1 foot under the sand?
I've built moats around my big-ass sand castle deeper than that, try 4-6 feet.
And that is where my concerns are, because i am not the only one who enjoys building AWESOME. (especially considering Dubai itself was built with the same mentality, going beyond the norm, awe-inspiring designs)

I'd love to see such a place, a cold beach in bright sunlight.
Just watch out for the polar bears.

ice caps (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26179747)

Why don't they just apply this technology to the ice caps to slow their melting?!!!

Re:beach erosion/movement (0)

AmberBlackCat (829689) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179867)

Let's just hope they don't contract the work to the same people who make undersea internet cables.

Patent Pending (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26178877)

I just submitted the patent on this.
The world is in a global economic depression and they are rigging up their beach with AC. Give me a break.

Re:Patent Pending (4, Interesting)

donscarletti (569232) | more than 5 years ago | (#26178985)

The world is in a global economic depression and they are rigging up their beach with AC. Give me a break.

The world is in a global economic depression because everyone's too worried about the global economic depression to spend enough money to pick the economy back up. If you've got the money to spend on something that takes an enormous amount of labour it will be a great thing for the economy as the extra cash circulating will boost everyone's confidence to spend their own. Plus, if you ever wanted to have something like this built, now is the time.

Re:Patent Pending (1)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179237)

Keep on driving those SUVs - that's what's ruining your economy and feeding theirs.

Re:Patent Pending (1)

inzy (1095415) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179369)

and funding the terrorists.

how else did you think osama's family made their billions?

oh, the irony......

Re:Patent Pending (1)

cliffski (65094) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179543)

I thought osamas family made money from construction?

Re:Patent Pending (3, Informative)

causality (777677) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179427)

The world is in a global economic depression and they are rigging up their beach with AC. Give me a break.

The world is in a global economic depression because everyone's too worried about the global economic depression to spend enough money to pick the economy back up. If you've got the money to spend on something that takes an enormous amount of labour it will be a great thing for the economy as the extra cash circulating will boost everyone's confidence to spend their own. Plus, if you ever wanted to have something like this built, now is the time.

The world is in a global economic depression because the wealthiest nations have all adopted a centralized banking system like the USA's Federal Reserve. This system, inherently and by design, has more debt than currency in circulation to pay that debt because interest (the "prime rate") is attached to money the moment it is created.

Let's say that the Federal Reserve has just been set up. There is currently no money in circulation so the first money is created. The prime rate (to make up a nice workable number) is 5%. Let's say the Fed creates ten billion dollars. The Fed gives the USA Government ten billion dollars. In exchange, the USA Government gives the Fed government bonds (a promise to pay back) worth $10,500,000,000 (the original ten billion plus the 5% interest). Now you have money in circulation. Except now you have a problem because there is only ten billion dollars in your entire economy and there is ten billion five-hundred million dollars in debt. The only thing you can do is keep borrowing more money (also at interest) to pay down the interest, and to borrow yet more to pay down the interest from that, ad nauseum. What you have is a downwardly-spiraling cycle of debt. Debt, the only form of slavery that's still legal. What's funny about this is that even if you could pay off all debt (and under this system, you can't), the result would be no more money in circulation!

To say that inflation is built into this system does not even begin to scratch the surface. You have more debt than you have dollars in circulation, and the dollars effectively represent debt and not wealth. That excess debt doesn't just go away. Someone ends up holding that debt. These are your bankruptcies and foreclosures and your bailouts. Bad decision-making causes many of these, but with this system they must exist no matter what and furthermore, they must get worse because it's a debt cycle. So, decision-making merely decides who winds up with this debt. And what is the result of debt and bankruptcy? The result is that the banks foreclose and become the owners of actual wealth (as opposed to fiat currency) like real estate.

That's why the debates about whether to bail out The Big Three are phony. The debate about whether efforts to give credit to people with poor credit histories caused the mortgage crisis (during which less than 5% of buyers defaulted) is also immaterial even if every point raised is valid. The system is inherently broken, no amount of tinkering will fix it, and it's not like the media is going to point this out even though this fact can be known by anyone who cares to study the Federal Reserve and fractional reserve banking.

I hope people understand why the Founding Fathers considered centralized banks to be more dangerous than standing armies or why Nathan Rothschild said "Let me issue and control a nationâ(TM)s currency and I care not who makes its laws.â Maybe you also see how the media is not your friend; they will maintain the illusion of lively debate but always in a way that can't possibly change anything because it's completely irrelevant and doesn't address the actual problem. How many examples of that do you need to see before you start thinking that maybe it isn't an accident?

Re:Patent Pending (4, Insightful)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 5 years ago | (#26180073)

The world is in a global economic depression because the wealthiest nations have all adopted a centralized banking system like the USA's Federal Reserve. This system, inherently and by design, has more debt than currency in circulation to pay that debt because interest (the "prime rate") is attached to money the moment it is created.

Uh, no.

That was all true for a long time without an global economic depression.

There is a recession in the US and some other places which may become a global economic depression because of a massive credit seize-up in the wake of, among other things, the bursting of the housing bubble in the US, and because of other factors (including the decline in income in the bottom four quintiles even during the most recent expansion in the US) reducing both industrial and consumer demand. The global reach of the crisis is due to the effect that the world economy is massively integrated through investment and trade.

The independent central banks that have become a near-universal norm have only marginal relevance; they aren't a significant cause of the problem (government policies in the US, like Gramm-Leach-Bliley, probably a significant role, but that's not central bank action.) Nor, for that matter, are they capable of doing much about the problem; they are mostly capable of short-term stabilization of minor disruptions, big crises render monetary responses mostly meaningless except as slight mitigation at best.

Let's say that the Federal Reserve has just been set up. There is currently no money in circulation so the first money is created.

Um, there was money in circulation when the Federal Reserve was set up.

I hope people understand why the Founding Fathers considered centralized banks to be more dangerous than standing armies

"the Founding Fathers" did no such thing. Certain of the Founding Fathers opposed a central bank (Jefferson and those that went on to form the nucleus of the Democratic-Republicans), OTOH, certain of the Founding Fathers (e.g., Alexandar Hamilton and the rest of those that went on to form the nucleus of the Federalists) certainly favored a central bank as a desirable thing.

Re:Patent Pending (1)

genik76 (1193359) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179513)

Economic depression comes around every 10 years, give or take a few years. No matter what you do, it repeats. In the beginnig of a depression, people start to work harder again, and in the of the good times, everygbody's changing jobs to get more money, everything's chaotic and companies lose money. Buy your stocks now, it's the best time.

They building it in a day? (1)

trancemission (823050) | more than 5 years ago | (#26178883)

Dubai Is Building a Refrigerated Beach on Friday December 19 The date in the title annoys me...

Re:They building it in a day? (1)

trancemission (823050) | more than 5 years ago | (#26178973)

I also annoy myself by:

Not reading the drop down [html formatted] and not using the preview button.

Damn pesky kids and their fancy html.....

Removed the date now by switching to 'classic'

Futurama (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26178903)

Documentary Narrator: Fortunately, our handsomest politicians came up with a cheap, last minute way to combat global warming. Ever since 2063, we simply drop a giant ice cube into the ocean now and again.

Suzie: Just like daddy puts in his drink every morning. Then he gets mad.

Documentary Narrator: Of course, because the greenhouse gasses are still building up, it takes more and more ice each time, thus solving the problem once and for all.

Suzie: But...

Documentary Narrator: Once and for all!

Idle this shit (2, Insightful)

mathx314 (1365325) | more than 5 years ago | (#26178921)

I'm not normally the one to complain about this, but seriously, it's getting ridiculous. I have no problem with Idle being its own separate entity that I can ignore or follow as I choose, but I do have a problem with Idle stories leaking into Main. A story about a refrigerated beach with an Idle-style picture and a stupid joke at the end is not News for Nerds or Stuff that Matters.

Re:Idle this shit (4, Insightful)

SydShamino (547793) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179031)

Are you implying that this audience isn't interested in domes cities and artificial living environments??

Read some science fiction man! I grew up on this stuff.

Re:Idle this shit (5, Insightful)

Brigadier (12956) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179039)

not all nerds collect hard drive platters for a living .... I have an architectural background and think it quite interesting when fringe type ideas make it unto slashdot. Nerd =! Computers there are many other types of Tech out there besides C++

Re:Idle this shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26179415)

sorry to be picky, but it's != (! is not)

Re:Idle this shit (1)

Golddess (1361003) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179585)

Perhaps it was intentional, y'know? Further proving how much they aren't the computer-type nerd.

Re:Idle this shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26179609)

You're confused: GP was saying that Computers are not equal to Nerd, rather than Nerd are not equal to Computers.

Re:Idle this shit (1)

bky1701 (979071) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179659)

Actually, he was saying Nerd equals NOT (() Computers ()); everyone knows that!

Re:Idle this shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26179895)

No, he was assigning nerd to be the value of not Computers.

Re:Idle this shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26179669)

Nerd =! Computers there are many other types of Tech out there besides C++

I can tell you're not into C++... Nerd =! Computers is very different from Nerd != Computers

Re:Idle this shit (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26179125)

Idle won't go away, and it won't become less important. The owners of Slashdot are "aggressively pursuing [their] plans" [bizjournals.com] for the site, and a few dissatisfied comments won't override that; all that will matter are page views and ad dollars.

Re:Idle this shit (2, Informative)

FugitiveMind (1423373) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179485)

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/slashdot.org [alexa.com]

I don't think their plans are working that well...

Re:Idle this shit (1)

owlnation (858981) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179685)

I don't think their plans are working that well...

Interesting. A 6 month slide, about the same time as Idle has been up and running. Coincidence? Probably not.

Unless something is done soon about samzenpus' inability to post a professional article I'm pretty much done. No-one is stopping there being an Idle if that's what people want. All we ask is -- keep it segregated. There is plenty room on the main page for humor too, it just needs to be presented in a more skilled way.

I'm inclined to agree with some of the posters here, in that this article should be mainpageworthy -- it's just that samzenpus has screwed it up and dumbed it down in his usual way. This is easy to fix. Either fire him, or teach him to be more professional, or banish him permanently to Idle.

Re:Idle this shit (1)

owlstead (636356) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179127)

I'm sorry, but if this is true, this is definitely something to get aroused over. How can we expect any leading entity to take global warming and the (upcoming, in 30 years time) oil crises a priority unless we make it one. These idiots are ruining the world on their friggin' Alice in Wonderland trip. And it is not over there. In the Netherlands, there was this idea to put down a skating round *outside*. I don't know how much electricity would go into that but it must be horrible.

How can you expect a third world country to take the energy crisis seriously if we nutcases keep spending more and more energy on more and more idiotic ventures? All just to please the ultra-rich? In 30 years, when life as we know it goes down the drain, can we please put these idiots against the wall and shoot them? It won't solve anything, but it would at least put things right again, morally speaking.

Re:Idle this shit (-1, Troll)

ConceptJunkie (24823) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179231)

If things were really such that life as we know it is going down the drain in 30 years, I can guarantee there is absolutely nothing we could do about it. Get a sense of perspective.

I'll bet that catastrophic global warming will go the way of acid rain, global cooling, killer bees, the population bomb and the ozone hole in terms of being an armageddon that the environmentalists daydream about that simply never happens. It's just another fad among the types who are not happy unless we're all about to die. Who needs far-out Christian fanatics when the environmental fanatics are spreading their zealotry with the same mouth-foaming stridency?

Re:Idle this shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26179329)

"Get a sense of perspective."

A kneejerk defense of a theme park for the richest 1% of the world is not a reasonable perspective.

"I'll bet that catastrophic global warming will go the way of acid rain, global cooling, killer bees, the population bomb and the ozone hole in terms of being an armageddon that the environmentalists daydream about that simply never happens. It's just another fad"

Oh, you're a dedicated science denialist, that makes much more sense. Enjoy your talk radio, creationism and Sarah Palin for prez.

Re:Idle this shit (1)

CR0 (22574) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179417)

first, Dubai doesn't have that much oil. Not nearly as much as those crazy Canadians.

second, if the Netherlands wants a skating surface (I'll assume you meant rink) outside, it wouldn't take any electricity, unless they used electricity to clean the snow and smooth the surface. The Netherlands is quite far north you know. More north than all of the Great Lakes. (assuming a seasonal rink, which is only logical)

third, if the builders in Dubai pumped water through those pipes and then used that same water for things like showers or laundry (ie. things that _need_ hot water) you could have a net reduction in energy use.

In summary, don't panic, stop hating the places you don't know, don't panic.

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Re:Idle this shit (0, Flamebait)

owlstead (636356) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179785)

"second, if the Netherlands wants a skating surface (I'll assume you meant rink) outside, it wouldn't take any electricity, unless they used electricity to clean the snow and smooth the surface. The Netherlands is quite far north you know. More north than all of the Great Lakes. (assuming a seasonal rink, which is only logical)"

Jezus, telling me what weather we are having, you cannot get much more stupid than that. Yes, we are well North, but winds are normally from the south west. And we are living in a soft sea climate.

The last time we had a good winter was years and years ago. Most skating groups have already stopped. Yes, we're rather far north, so this says a lot. We've had some wet snow this year, but Christmas is likely to have a 10 degree Celsius rating during the day.

But if you think that getting water hot in Dubai is a problem, well, I'm already arguing with a total and complete twat, aren't I? Think desalination plant. Check your brain and your sources before arguing.

Re:Idle this shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26179137)

A story about an engineering marvel isn't News for Nerds?

You sir, are not a nerd, and you disgrace the rest of us by claiming to be one.

Re:Idle this shit (1)

jmerlin (1010641) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179173)

You must be new here...

Re:Idle this shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26179215)

1. Make a conscious choice to read a story title that doesn't interest you
2. Make a conscious choice to read a story summary that doesn't interest you
3. ??????
4. Whine about a story that doesn't interest you

Seriously... I skim over about half the stories on the site, and I consider a site where I'm enthusiastic about 50% of the stories to be outstanding.

Re:Idle this shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26179267)

For me this is about where all that Oil money is going, and this is only the tip of the iceberg.

A better idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26178959)

Here's a simpler and less ridiculous way to cool the sand: Instead of running conventional refrigerant through the pipes, with all the associated needless consumption, run seawater. After all, it's not like you don't have a whole ocean full of it right there.

Hell, even if you have to run the intake pipes out half a kilometer into the ocean to get deep and cool enough water, it'll be cheaper in the long run. And more energy efficient by any measure.

The laws of thermodynamics are still on the books (4, Funny)

tetromino (807969) | more than 5 years ago | (#26178981)

I believe I've just thought of a way we could solve this whole global warming thing I've been hearing about.

You mean, power the giant beach refrigerator by attaching a generator to the spinning corpse of old Sadi Carnot [wikipedia.org] ?

Re:The laws of thermodynamics are still on the boo (1)

TiberSeptm (889423) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179009)

Entropy's a bitch, but I'll be damned if she isn't a faithful one.

Re:The laws of thermodynamics are still on the boo (1)

mrsquid0 (1335303) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179327)

It's like when Homer Simpson tried to beat the heat by pitching a tent in front of an open refrigerator door.

I use my air conditioner in the summer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26179011)

I suck too.

Re:I use my air conditioner in the summer (2, Insightful)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179401)

...and there's definitely no heated football fields [grounds-mag.com] in the "developed" world, right?

No thanks... (4, Funny)

glavenoid (636808) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179017)

No booze on the beach. Pass. No half-nekkid chicks. Pass. I'll save my beach-going for a land that loves sin...

Re:No thanks... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26179201)

Yeah, but if Dubai keeps building cool shit like this, it won't be long until we get a new Dubai-themed Vegas hotel with miniature versions of everything they dream up in the actual Dubai. I'm sure making people feel like oil sheiks would also work as a "math-challenged people come give us your money" theme as well.

So this is less an advertisement for you than it is a preview of what you can expect to see in the places you're more interested in.

Why bother going? (4, Insightful)

photonic (584757) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179049)

Half of me says these guys need a reality check, the other half wants to go there.

Why bother going to Dubai anyhow? It is too hot, they only have sand and some fake islands [theemiratesnetwork.com] that no-one wants to buy and no culture (unless you are into modern, megalomaniac architecture). And in terms of population, there are just overwhelmingly rich locals, western expats designing toy projects for said locals and Indian immigrants actually building those toy projects. If you are choosing a holiday destination, I could not thing of anything less interesting.

Re:Why bother going? (5, Informative)

istartedi (132515) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179203)

shhhh. You'll pop their bubble. Ooops. Too late [bloomberg.com] .

Re:Why bother going? (1)

Rycross (836649) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179205)

Agreed. Without an interesting local culture to go along with it, playing on the beach tends to turn into a snooze-fest real fast. I prefer visiting areas with rich history.

Re:Why bother going? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26179361)

I think it's kind of cool that they've got the tallest building in the world right there. Burj Dubai is already over 700 meters tall.

Re:Why bother going? (1)

mrsquid0 (1335303) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179365)

The irony factor alone would make spending a day or two in Dubai an interesting experience. But then I would want a real beach, with real poisonous octopuses swimming just beyond the surf.

Re:Why bother going? (1)

z-j-y (1056250) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179405)

It is a massive conspiracy by Jewish architects.

Re:Why bother going? (1)

Kagura (843695) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179735)

Good morning, gentlemen. This is a twelve-story block combining classical neo-Georgian features with the efficiency of modern techniques. The tenants arrive in the entrance hall here, and are carried along the corridor on a conveyor belt in extreme comfort and past murals depicting Mediterranean scenes, towards the rotating knives. The last twenty feet of the corridor are heavily soundproofed. The blood pours down these chutes and the mangled flesh slurps into these... Hmm?

Re:Why bother going? (1)

nbert (785663) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179495)

I totally agree. Thinking of it a city on the south pole could offer just as much attraction as Dubai (provided with the same wealth). Luxury hotels are all the same around the globe, so why stay in one which is located in a city which features an uncomfortable environment and very few non-artificial points of interest.

I could be wrong in believing that the hype around Dubai will vanish in the near future. Las Vegas for example is still doing well ;)

It is understandable that the Emirate of Dubai wants to diversify its economy. In the long run they will be better off with oil-related industries like logistics and especially shipping and aviation. After all they have the only natural harbor in the Persian Gulf area and the location is perfect for an intercontinental hub. And when oil becomes scarce Dubai might be one of the few still being able to fuel all these planes and ships...

Re:Why bother going? (1)

Jherek Carnelian (831679) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179687)

Half of me says these guys need a reality check, the other half wants to go there.

Why bother going to Dubai anyhow? It is too hot, they only have sand and some fake islands

Plus, they have a really bad attitude about the most fun thing to do on a beach in the middle of the night. [telegraph.co.uk]

Re:Why bother going? (1)

twistah (194990) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179871)

And, don't forget, Dubai is in the UAE and largely follows their moral standards. Laws are strictly enforced and they do not look the other way for tourists. There are multiple reports of people being arrested or detained for lengthy periods of time. A British couple was put in jail for allegedly having sex on the beach. And another person was imprisoned because a mass-spec machine in the airport detected a microscopic speck of marijuana on his shoe -- the kind you can pick up walking through the airport, or anywhere really. Personally, that does not describe a place I would like to go to relax.

Has this solution been considered? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26179051)

Run massive copper pipes into the ocean, and let it cool it from scorching to walk-able.

Re:Has this solution been considered? (3, Funny)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179421)

No engineer would ever think of that - the water is miles away!

An outdoor Alpine ski mountain would be cooler (1)

gelfling (6534) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179065)

And if they could make it levitate that would be awesome. I hope they spend their next 100 billion dollars on that one.

Re:An outdoor Alpine ski mountain would be cooler (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26179163)

It's happening in Dallas, Texas. Ski mountain with fake snow and everything.

http://www.bearfireresort.com/

Last I heard the plan was on hold due to litigation over land ownership, but it's only a matter of time.

sand blasting? (1)

Sir_Lewk (967686) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179197)

Am I the only one that thinks mixing sand with giant blowers may be a bad idea?

solve this whole global warming thing (0)

Threni (635302) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179219)

> I believe I've just thought of a way we could solve this whole global warming thing I've been hearing about.

By not wasting energy unnecessarily ?

Re:solve this whole global warming thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26179259)

Energy is not wasted. It just transfers from one state to another.

Re:solve this whole global warming thing (1)

z-j-y (1056250) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179345)

but we prefer it in one state than the other

Reality check? Sure... here it comes... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26179223)

Some countries spend money they have on refrigerated beaches.

Some countries spend money they don't have on illegal wars.

Every little bit of solar helps... (5, Interesting)

maxfresh (1435479) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179295)

What they are proposing is just to extract the solar thermal energy from the beach sand. The solar energy doesn't have to be wasted. If they were to take the solar heat laden coolant, and pass it through a heat exchanger, and into a Stirling engine, they could use it to generate electricity to power desalination equipment, for example. Using the cooler ocean water as the heat sink wouldn't produce very high efficiency, but it would still be a net gain. It wouldn't cost very much more than just throwing the heat away. They could get coolor sand, and generate solar power at the same time. Just a thought...

Re:Every little bit of solar helps... (1)

4D6963 (933028) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179711)

Which would merely marginally reduce the costs... For some reason I have a feeling that these guys can afford their current plan as it is.

Re:Every little bit of solar helps... (1)

Kagura (843695) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179751)

If they were to take the solar heat laden coolant, and pass it through a heat exchanger, and into a Stirling engine, they could use it to generate electricity to power desalination equipment

Are you suggesting that coolants migrate?

Oblig. (1)

Anonymous Cowpat (788193) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179359)

Weebl & Bob [weebls-stuff.com]

Re:Oblig. (1)

CynicalTyler (986549) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179683)

That could have just been the last 10 seconds where they show the massive air conditioner and sing "Pipe heat to the moon" without losing any jokes.

Jehad (0)

TangoCharlie (113383) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179575)

This ridiculous venture is exactly what is wrong with the world. If Osama Bin Laden want to strike
at the heart of what is wrong with the "west", Dubai is the place he should start. Seriously,
have these people not heard of global warming?
Even if they power this thing with solar energy,
it's still a massive waste... think of all the other things that could be done with that energy.
Jesus!

Stupid, stupid (2, Insightful)

dasunst3r (947970) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179719)

This idea is as stupid as the indoor skiing slope. Not only is it a waste of energy, but it will NEVER capture the true feeling of being on a beach, especially if you forget your sandals. I hope the footwear industry lobbies long and hard to block the refrigeration of beaches -- there's some revenue to be had in those overpriced sandals one could buy near the beach.

Re:Stupid, stupid (1)

Kagura (843695) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179759)

For what it's worth, I hate walking on fucking hot sand. It hurts.

Re:Stupid, stupid (1)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179939)

For what it's worth, I hate walking on fucking hot sand. It hurts.

You should try one of the many white sand beaches of Cuba. They naturally don't get hot from the Sun.

As a bonus, vacations there are quite cheap, and the aged rum is so smooth, it's like drinking cognac.

The resorts' food is pretty average, though, but everything else makes up for it.

(Disclaimer: Maybe there's other such white sand beaches in the Caribbean, but Cuba's are the only ones I've visited)

Easier solution (3, Insightful)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179801)

Go to Bermuda for your next vacation, a place where the sand isn't scorching hot.

It's about location, location, location. And Dubai isn't the location.

A waist of money (1)

area51underground (1403183) | more than 5 years ago | (#26179959)

So this is where all that money went that came out of our pockets to pay for fuel.. Brought a country's economy to it's knees so you can air condition a beach. Yet you already complain that your economy is not doing well. Good to see your spending it wisely..

Awesome (4, Funny)

InlawBiker (1124825) | more than 5 years ago | (#26180189)

Somebody needed to deflect attention from America's excesses and take the spotlight for needless waste and overspending. Go Dubai!

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