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Watergate "Deep Throat" Mark Felt Dead At 95

kdawson posted more than 5 years ago | from the linda-lovelace-in-mourning dept.

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Hugh Pickens writes "W. Mark Felt Sr., 95, associate director of the FBI during the Watergate scandal, better known as 'Deep Throat,' the most famous anonymous source in American history, died at his home in Santa Rosa, California. Felt secretly guided Washington Post reporters Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein to pursue the story of the 1972 break-in of the Democratic National Committee's headquarters at the Watergate office buildings, and later of the Nixon administration's campaign of spying and sabotage against its perceived political enemies. 'It's impossible to exaggerate how high the stakes were in Watergate,' wrote Felt in his 2006 book A G-Man's Life. 'We faced no simple burglary, but an assault on government institutions, an attack on the FBI's integrity, and unrelenting pressure to unravel one of the greatest political scandals in our nation's history.' No one knows exactly what prompted Felt to leak the information from the Watergate probe to the press. He was passed over for the post of FBI director after Hoover's death in 1972, a crushing career disappointment. 'People will debate for a long time whether I did the right thing by helping Woodward. The bottom line is that we did get the whole truth out, and isn't that what the FBI is supposed to do?'"

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Mark Felt Dead at 95? (5, Funny)

Kaell Meynn (1209080) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186087)

I think I'd feel dead at 95 too, if I were not in really good health.

Re:Mark Felt Dead at 95? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26186155)

He is survived by his wife, Ivana B. Felt.

Re:Mark Felt Dead at 95? (0)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186235)

Give the man a break. You think any live chicks would let him feel them at that age...

Re:Mark Felt Dead at 95? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26186455)

cop a feel? no
get a little deep throat action? he was an FBI agent!

Answer's obvious. (5, Interesting)

mind21_98 (18647) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186105)

The FBI is supposed to get the whole truth out. Unfortunately, there are people who want to bring politics into enforcing the law, so we need checks and balances on the entire government. That's where the media comes in. Mark Felt did do the right thing, even though it was incredibly difficult for him at the time. RIP, Mark. (now, whether we'd have the balls to do that today, or the attention span to see it through, is another question entirely. I don't think we do, quite honestly, judging by the multiple scandals that have gone seemingly unpunished during the Bush administration.)

Re:Answer's obvious. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26186127)

With a nickname like "Deep throat", I would imagine finding balls would be easy.

Media AI source code (4, Funny)

Majik Sheff (930627) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186179)

if(politician.party=="republican") {
      attack(politician);
} else if(politician.party=="democrat") {
      fellate(politician);
} else {
      ignore(politician);
}

that was a recent change. (4, Funny)

pohl (872) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186247)

From the SVN ChangeLog...

2008-11-05 08:35  cabal_hacker

    * Media/src/com/murdock/ruppert/policy/Spin.java: Thank god we don't
          have to fellate that warmongering dunce anymore.  Reversing parties.

Re:Media AI source code (4, Funny)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186249)

} else {
ignore(politician);
}

Good for you, accounting for those rare, one-in-a-million occurrences.
Huh. I can't get the non-breaking spaces to work.

Re:Media AI source code (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26186707)

It just seems that way. Because of the media, you see.

Re:Media AI source code (4, Interesting)

Neon Aardvark (967388) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186285)

It's worth bearing in mind that Nixon's predecessor was objectively far worse than him, namely LBJ.

Starting and then fighting the Vietnam war badly, deliberately falsifying the Gulf of Tonkin incident (whatever about Bush, I think he genuinely believed his pretext, that Iraqi WMDs existed), ordering the USS Liberty to not be defended when it was under attack and then falsifying details of the attack later (probably the most spineless act in US military history).

Aside from that, there's the personal - forcing aides to talk to him while he was talking a dump, laughing at the dead body of JFK, etc..

A truly odious and terrible president.

Re:Media AI source code (1)

UncleWilly (1128141) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186393)

Not to mention LBJ had JFK shot.

Re:Media AI source code (1)

johanatan (1159309) | more than 5 years ago | (#26187659)

Or his brothers/superiors.

Re:Media AI source code (4, Insightful)

Phantom of the Opera (1867) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186397)

It's worth bearing in mind that Nixon's predecessor was objectively far worse than him, namely LBJ.

Starting and then fighting the Vietnam war badly, deliberately falsifying the Gulf of Tonkin incident (whatever about Bush, I think he genuinely believed his pretext, that Iraqi WMDs existed), ordering the USS Liberty to not be defended when it was under attack and then falsifying details of the attack later (probably the most spineless act in US military history).

Aside from that, there's the personal - forcing aides to talk to him while he was talking a dump, laughing at the dead body of JFK, etc..

A truly odious and terrible president.

Sure, those are terrible things.

Breaking the oath of office and using the power of the Presidency illegally in order to retain power is far more cancerous and treasonous. That was Nixon's big crime.

Re:Media AI source code (4, Insightful)

Breakfast Pants (323698) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186495)

Only if we are going back to a Roman Citizen type culture where freedom and democracy is important for people who are in, but absolutely forbidden for people that are 'out' (in this case, the Vietnamese).

Re:Media AI source code (5, Insightful)

Neon Aardvark (967388) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186897)

Yeah, maybe the 60,000 Americans who died pointlessly because of LBJ would disagree.

I'd wager the 1.5 million Vietnamese who did likewise would, also.

And maybe congress would think that being deliberately misled about a false enemy attack in order to start said war would constitute the president "breaking the seal of office".

Re:Media AI source code (1)

The Mighty Buzzard (878441) | more than 5 years ago | (#26187877)

I'm pretty sure the 3 million slaughtered by the North Vietnamese after we pulled out would take issue with your assessment.

Re:Media AI source code (2, Insightful)

Neon Aardvark (967388) | more than 5 years ago | (#26188759)

Slaughtered. So LBJ didn't save them. He started US involvement, and then fought the war badly enough to irreparably erode a huge amount of belief in it from the US public and to galvanize a lot of South Vietnamese opinion against their corrupt rulers, wasted vast amounts of tax dollars and large numbers of US lives (along with Koreans and Australians), and ultimately it didn't turn out exactly well, did it?

I don't follow your logic.

Re:Media AI source code (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26190089)

Your ignorance is disgusting Neon Aaardwark. If you had a clue you would know that the US actually won the Viet Nam war militarily (why else would North Viet Nam accept the peace negotiations that resulted in US withdrawal? Maybe the 1:60 ratio had something to do with it you know?) and South Viet Nam were doing ok afterwards UNTIL the US Congress stopped subsidising South Viet Nam with the means to defend themselves.

US troops were long gone from South Viet Nam at that point because they weren't needed as long as South Viet Nam got a little bit of material assistance.

The US committed treason to a friend in need. The US committed treason towards its own armed forces. The US committed treason to the ideals of freedom and liberty.

The blame for the millions dying and fleeing afterwards (some are still fleeing by the way) rests with the fools shouting peace. People like you who can't grasp that dictatorships almost never manage to turn to democracy and freedom on their own (or maybe you're one of those who think giving the Stalins and Hitlers of the world a blowjob is just too sweet to pass up).

Have a fucking merry christmas dipshit, I hope you choke and die on your own decadence like a good Roman.

Re:Media AI source code (1)

Repossessed (1117929) | more than 5 years ago | (#26189555)

And maybe congress would think that being deliberately misled about a false enemy attack in order to start said war would constitute the president "breaking the seal of office".

Um, that was Kennedy. Or someone during the Kennedy administration anyway. While it might have been LBJ, that would be unlikely. All this assuming of course, that there was a conspiracy to get us deeper involved in Vietnam, and not just a general fuckup, malice and stupidity etc.

As far as LBJ's and Kennedy's known abuse of power goes...

-- The Kennedy Administration had the FBI wiretap a Congressional staff member , three executive officials, a lobbyist, and a Washington law firm. Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy received the fruits of an FBI "tap" on Martin Luther King, Jr. and a "bug" on a Congressman, both of which yielded information of a political nature.

-- President Johnson asked the FBI to conduct "name checks" of his critics and members of the staff of his 1964 opponent, Senator Barry Goldwater. He also requested purely political intelligence on his critics in the Senate, and received extensive intelligence reports on political activity at the 1964 Democratic Convention from FBI electronic surveillance.

From wikipedia. Nixon was hardly the only screwed up president.

Re:Media AI source code (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186587)

There is evidence that Nixon conspired with the South Vietnamese to sink the peace talks in order to win the election. If this is true I think this would put Nixon well on the side of the most immoral president we've had.

Re:Media AI source code (2, Informative)

dietdew7 (1171613) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186869)

There is no evidence that Nixon conspired with the South Vietnamese to sink the peace talks in order to win the election. Fixed that for you. If you have contrary information, citation need.

Re:Media AI source code - All presidents do it... (1)

aDSF762 (865834) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186867)

(whatever about Bush, I think he genuinely believed his pretext, that Iraqi WMDs existed)

He might have believed that but still allowed al-Qaeda to attack the Twin Towers to get us into the Middle East, not unlike FDR allowing Pearl Harbor to be attacked to gear up American for war back than. All in all they all do it and it's only politics.

Re:Media AI source code - All presidents do it... (1)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 5 years ago | (#26187165)

"All in all they all do it and it's only politics"

Oh i see, it's only politics, just some arbitrary tit-for-tat, as harmless as a checkers game.

Re:Media AI source code - All presidents do it... (1)

aDSF762 (865834) | more than 5 years ago | (#26187467)

More like a game of chess, you allow certain pieces to fall than swoop in for the kill. I'm not saying these decisions don't have consequences just that the people in charge may really be making rational decisions. However scary that may sound.

Re:Media AI source code - All presidents do it... (4, Insightful)

Wordsmith (183749) | more than 5 years ago | (#26187809)

I can't stand Bush and think his presidency has been among the most dangerous in modern history, but there's no credible evidence he "let" 9/11" happen. There's evidence he treated the threat too lightly, but no real reason to believe he had specific knowledge of what would happen and chose to look the other way. What not-so-credible evidence has been presented by conspiracy theorists has been debunked to high heaven.

Hate him on the indisputable merits. It's easier.

Re:Media AI source code - All presidents do it... (2, Insightful)

houghi (78078) | more than 5 years ago | (#26190173)

I believe the 9/11 attack would have happened with any president. The way it would be dealt with would have been completely different. Others would not have raped peoples rights so much.

Re:Media AI source code (1)

Swampash (1131503) | more than 5 years ago | (#26187285)

Aside from that, there's the personal - forcing aides to talk to him while he was talking a dump, laughing at the dead body of JFK, etc..

A truly odious and terrible president.

LBJ (a Texan) also passed the Civil Rights Act, even though he knew it meant the end of the Democratic Party in the South.

Re:Media AI source code (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 5 years ago | (#26187315)

LBJ did atleast one ONE honorable thing.

He resigned after his first term.

Re:Media AI source code (1)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 5 years ago | (#26188595)

And lets not forget that notorious incident with The Boss in Groznyj Grad. Truly a black mark in American history.

Re:Media AI source code (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26190849)

If that is a reference to Metal Gear Solid then you can go fuck off and die.

Re:Media AI source code (1, Insightful)

unity100 (970058) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186289)

if you had known any good amount of recent world history, you would shove that sarcastic code of yours in your butt, and cry over the shit that has been perpetrated around the world because of the republican administrations of last 50 years.

hell, even al kaeda and rising islamism is their gift to the world, in which they screwed everything in 80s, perpetrating islamism against soviets and arming and funding islamist groups all around the world.

the stuff which YOU are paying for today.

Re:Media AI source code (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26186537)

Gee Robot, you ran that code fast.

Re:Media AI source code (2, Insightful)

JackieBrown (987087) | more than 5 years ago | (#26187993)

Yes, because Islam's history before the '80s was one of peace and love.

Re:Media AI source code (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 5 years ago | (#26188169)

so, nazism has an even worse history. does that exonerate islam ? why should islam exonerate republican crap ?

Re:Media AI source code (1)

JackieBrown (987087) | more than 5 years ago | (#26188907)

I am not sure I am following the connection between Islam and Nazism.

why should islam exonerate republican crap ?

You brought up Islam. I was not using it to exonerate anyone.

Re:Media AI source code (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26186791)

Is that code trunk or stable?

Found one for the general population (1)

Dutchmaan (442553) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186979)

if(politician.party=="republican") {
            QQ(democrat);
} else if(politician.party=="democrat") {
            QQ(republican);
} else {
            watch(TV);
}

Re:Media AI source code (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26188379)

Where did you find a fellate() function? I've been looking for that for years!

Re:Media AI source code (4, Funny)

Majik Sheff (930627) | more than 5 years ago | (#26188559)

#include "clinton.inc"

It provides a public interface to the fellate() function, making it compatible with the politician class. Unfortunately it randomly leaves behind objects of class blue_dress in memory.

Debugged Version (1)

maz2331 (1104901) | more than 5 years ago | (#26190007)

if(politician.speaketh!="truth" {
    if(politician.party=="republican") {
        attack(politician);
    } else if(politician.party=="democrat") {
        fellate(politician);
    } else {
        ignore(politician);
    }
} else {
    destroy_with_utter_contempt(politician)
}

The role of the media (2, Insightful)

jesterzog (189797) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186565)

Unfortunately, there are people who want to bring politics into enforcing the law, so we need checks and balances on the entire government. That's where the media comes in.

This may be okay if you have a media that's actually motivated by some kind of ethics. In my area (and I suspect many others), the economy isn't really large enough to support much more than a commercially sponsored media primarily interested in turning news into entertainment, and presenting whatever news in whatever form and bias it takes to get as many viewers/readers as possible to sell advertising.

The local media around here tends to be full of people who seem more interested in having themselves seen than in accurately portraying something. It makes sense, too, because in the entertainment industry one of the most important things for future employment is to be seen.

Re:Answer's obvious. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26186837)

"Mark Felt did do the right thing"

The right thing isn't to go outside the business/government process. Especially since he was at the top of the government arm designed to investigate crime. He seems to have taken the short path to victory, letting outsiders gain notoriety while letting the FBI lay idle.

Re:Answer's obvious. (4, Interesting)

WindowlessView (703773) | more than 5 years ago | (#26187621)

The right thing isn't to go outside the business/government process.

Nonsense, both in general and this specific case.

The "process" in this case was blocked and corrupted from multiple angles. The Attorney General (John Mitchell) was involved in the original crimes. His replacement, Eliot Richardson, was fired in the Saturday Night Massacre along with the special prosecutor and others. It was later shown that the CIA, FBI, etc., all had elements participating in the crimes or cover up.

Working within the system Felt would not have been any more effective than anyone else. Yes, like Richardson et.al. he could have taken a stand and been shoved aside or fired. And effectively silenced because he didn't have any specific evidence himself but merely the knowledge of where to point the investigation. He would have been a small part of a 3 day news cycle and the Nixon gang might well have gotten away with it.

Going outside the system was precisely the right thing to do, arguably the only thing available to him. Even so, if it weren't for a rather unique group of people at the Washington Post it might not have had anymore success than working inside the system. One only wished the NY Times had such guts with the illegal wiretapping information instead of sitting on it for a year.

The business/governmental "process" only works when there are people of integrity involved. When those people, like Nixon, Bush, Enron, Countrywide, etc., are up to eyeballs in the crime the "process" is nothing more than convenient choke points to stop the truth from getting out.

Re:Answer's obvious. (2, Informative)

bonch (38532) | more than 5 years ago | (#26187055)

I don't think we do, quite honestly, judging by the multiple scandals that have gone seemingly unpunished during the Bush administration.

That's no different from the multiple scandals that plagued the Clinton administration, the difference between that the media actively covered it up back then.

Hell, the only reason we know about Monica Lewinsky is that Matt Drudge broke the story after Newsweek was going to quietly shelve it. And look how Obama's campaign got away with breaking its campaign financing promise and thus was able to accept record-breaking amounts of donations with no government oversight, often using untraceable prepaid cards. It's business as usual in Washington.

Re:Answer's obvious. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26187607)

Stop your crying, being that damn partisan and biased is only going to give you a heart attack. And when that happens will you still be against public health?

Re:Answer's obvious. (1)

jhol13 (1087781) | more than 5 years ago | (#26187073)

Sure, Felt did the right thing.

Unfortunately there is nobody left to do it now.

Re:Answer's obvious. (1)

jcr (53032) | more than 5 years ago | (#26188817)

Mark Felt did do the right thing, even though it was incredibly difficult for him at the time.

Amen. I have no idea whether I'd have the guts to do the same, I only hope that I would.

-jcr

Re:Answer's obvious. (1)

Hutz (900771) | more than 5 years ago | (#26191009)

Felt did this because he was angry about being passed over for the Director's position. He was convicted of conducting illegal wiretaps a couple of years later.

This is why anonymous sources should be avoided. The public has a right to know, but they also need to know what agenda is being put forward by sources who are not brave enough to stand behind their comments.

Thanks Slashdot (4, Funny)

kentrel (526003) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186145)

I was JUST about to sit down and watch Thursday's breaking news that I had on TiVo, and now you've just ruined it for me.

He did brave thing (3, Insightful)

Phybertekie (975815) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186159)

For whatever reason he chose, he did the right thing. If more folks did that maybe Presidents wouldn't run the Whitehouse as their supermarket for all their cronies.

Oh please, he was Hoover's #2 (5, Insightful)

unassimilatible (225662) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186461)

To portray Felt as some heroic whistle-blower is nonsense. For one, Felt hid in the shadows for 30 years, until he was senile and his daughter pulled him into the daylight to capitalize on his fame. Heroes put themselves at personal risk for a higher cause. Felt hid to protect his reputation among his FBI cronies (think cigarette-smoking man types).

More importantly, he was J. Edgar Hoover's #2 at a time when the FBI was wiretapping MLK and John Lennon - and presidents. Yes, there is a reason that Hoover stayed as FBI director, a huge plum appointment for any president, for 48 friggin years. Hoover blackmailed presidents, and everyone else he could wiretap and burglarize. You think his #2 wasn't in on that?

When Hoover died, Nixon did the right thing, what any of the 44 presidents would have done, cleaned house and got the Hoover cronies the hell out of there. And what did Felt do once he didn't get the director job? He did exactly what every president for 48 years was afraid of about Hoover - Felt released dirt on Nixon.

Say what you want about Nixon, but Hoover was the antithesis of a democracy, an unelected guy who abused his power and blackmailed presidents to stay in office for half a century. Appointing Felt to replace him would have been, in retrospect, politically expedient. Felt thought he was entitled to the job and brought Nixon down for it. To suggest that Felt, the ultimate black-bag guy, was appalled at Nixon's shenanigans, when Hoover freaking invented it, is like saying Linsday Lohan is offended by Paris Hilton's public tramp behavior. Ludicrous!

It is interesting that most news reports do not talk about Felt's illegal wiretapping of the Weather Underground (not that I have sympathy for that domestic terror group, but I am not running around claiming to be some civil liberties hero), or they mention it at the very end of the story like AP did.

God knows all of the shit Hoover pulled. Maybe someday it will all come to light. It would make a great movie, but would probably have to be a mini-series or TV show on HBO, as it would likely be impossible to chronicle in 2 hours.

And they named the FBI building after the sumbitch.

Re:Oh please, he was Hoover's #2 (2, Funny)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186519)

I always had the impression that being #2 to Hoover involved deep throat duties anyway.

Re:Oh please, he was Hoover's #2 (1)

willoughby (1367773) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186681)

Whatever his motivations, a bunch of bad guys were caught thanks to Mr. Felt. I'd still buy him a beer for that.

Re:Oh please, he was Hoover's #2 (3, Interesting)

gregbot9000 (1293772) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186771)

I hate Hoover, but in a way he had a perverse logic that is tough to argue with. Shouldn't the FBI be able to be above even the president? Sure Felt was pissed and acted on his own interest to take down Nixon because he felt he was owed what Nixon took, but that doesn't mask the fact that the FBI had the power to do it. Today it has been politicized.

Wouldn't it be better to have a independent fiefdom that investigates terrorist, civil rights groups, and the president, rather than a group under the thumb of the executive branch that investigates just terrorist and civil rights groups?

Re:Oh please, he was Hoover's #2 (3, Insightful)

dietdew7 (1171613) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186899)

Yes it's always better to have an unelected shadow government.

Re:Oh please, he was Hoover's #2 (1)

gregbot9000 (1293772) | more than 5 years ago | (#26187479)

FBI=Government? Wow when did that happen? No body said unelected shadow government, I said an unelected shadow organization that is free to investigate the government might not be that bad of a thing in certain situations. But your right, things work out so well when the law enforcement follows the will of politicians in charge, look at what a bang up job they have done stopping fraud in business and lending.

Re:Oh please, he was Hoover's #2 (1)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186945)

Wouldn't it be better to have a independent fiefdom that investigates terrorist, civil rights groups, and the president, rather than a group under the thumb of the executive branch that investigates just terrorist and civil rights groups?

Yah, it's always better to have law-enforcement groups with no oversight. Better yet, place them in position to control pretty much the whole country. Then make the Director (Chief, whatever) unelected. Then we can rename it the Gestapo, or perhaps KGB, and we can skip all those boring little elections, and let the Director tell us what to do.

Re:Oh please, he was Hoover's #2 (1)

gregbot9000 (1293772) | more than 5 years ago | (#26187545)

It's not always better. I wasn't defending Hoover or COINTELPRO or any of his excesses, but your examples of the KGB or gestapo aren't agencies without oversight, they were directed from the top to serve the needs of those at the top. Lacking oversight indeed.

The FBI was not in any position to control the country, and never would have been. John N. Mitchell on the other hand was the Attorney General for Nixon and a man who believed civil rights were bad for America and worked very close with Nixon to achieve the control they wanted.

You missed the point completely.

Re:Oh please, he was Hoover's #2 (2, Insightful)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | more than 5 years ago | (#26188719)

but your examples of the KGB or gestapo aren't agencies without oversight, they were directed from the top to serve the needs of those at the top

The Gestapo was run by Himmler, NOT Hitler. An important difference, since Himmler wasn't so solidly controlled as all that.

Likewise, the KGB was really under the control of the KGB Chairman/Director, not the Politburo.

An FBI with no oversight would have been a nightmare. As much so as either of the others. And dressing it up by saying they wouldn't be able to run the country is just being silly - give someone power to do as they'd like with no oversight, and they'll have power to run the country pretty much as fast as you can find a corrupt Director.

And history has shown that finding corrupt men who want to run things isn't hard at all.

In other words, I think that you missed the point.

The history of the Independent Counsel says no (1)

unassimilatible (225662) | more than 5 years ago | (#26187037)

You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who says the history of the Independent Counsel [wikipedia.org] was non-political. Lawrence Walsh and Ken Starr. Or the grandstanding of Patrick Fitzgerald [wikipedia.org] in the modern incarnation of the IC.

Now the Justice Department has a Civil Rights division, and it isn't staffed by Hoover acolytes. It's run by liberals mostly (who else would join the FBI to ensure civil liberties rather than to catch crooks?)

I'll take the modern incarnation of the FBI over some independent counsel initiated by Congress. Lesser of evils.

Re:Oh please, he was Hoover's #2 (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26187127)

is like saying Linsday Lohan is offended by Paris Hilton's public tramp behavior

This analogy of yours involves persons of the opposite sex. As a slashdotter, I am not able to understand such an analogy. Please provide the equivalent car analogy for this situation.

Thank you.

Re:Oh please, he was Hoover's #2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26187359)

The Ferrari is offended by Mercedes's pandering to the rich.

Re:Oh please, he was Hoover's #2 (2, Insightful)

Chapter80 (926879) | more than 5 years ago | (#26191135)

is like saying Linsday Lohan is offended by Paris Hilton's public tramp behavior

This analogy of yours involves persons of the opposite sex. As a slashdotter, I am not able to understand such an analogy.

It's like Library of Congresses being offended by Station Wagons full of Mag Tapes.

The most famous anonymous source (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26186165)

W. Mark Felt Sr...the most famous anonymous source in American history...

Correction, the 2nd most famous formerly anonymous source. We, the Anonymous Cowards Collective of Slashdot are now the most famous anonymous source in American history. Come on guys, let's have 95 anonymous posts in honor of Mr. Mark Felt.

Mark Felt: The Black Bag Man? (5, Informative)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186171)

It's a good thing Mark Felf was around, without "Deep Throat", the full extent of Nixon's crimes may never have come out.

Yet Felt was not strictly against "black bag jobs" like the Watergate break-in:

While Watergate was seething, Mr. Felt authorized nine illegal break-ins at the homes of friends and relatives of members of the Weather Underground, a violent left-wing splinter group. The people he chose as targets had committed no crimes. The F.B.I. had no search warrants. He later said he ordered the break-ins because national security required it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/19/washington/19felt.html?scp=1&sq=mark%20felt&st=cse [nytimes.com]

Re:Mark Felt: The Black Bag Man? (2, Interesting)

calmofthestorm (1344385) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186295)

The Weather Underground wasn't an approved political party, the Democrats were and are.

There's an old saying...in Soviet Russia there was one party; in America there are two.

Re:Mark Felt: The Black Bag Man? (1)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186415)

The Weather Underground wasn't an approved political party, the Democrats were and are.

I wasn't aware that the Democrats bomb Federal buildings and organize riots.

Re:Mark Felt: The Black Bag Man? (0, Flamebait)

calmofthestorm (1344385) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186435)

Watch more Faux 2 News. You'll learn all sorts of new things. They also eat babies.

Re:Mark Felt: The Black Bag Man? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26190583)

Approved political party? Since when do parties require authorization, and from whom? The ruling parties?

Re:Mark Felt: The Black Bag Man? (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186825)

Yet Felt was not strictly against "black bag jobs" like the Watergate break-in:
He later said he ordered the break-ins because national security required it.

FWIW - I think that all kinds of constitutional rule breaking is OK. But there needs to be oversight. I say that if you really and truly believe there is a significant threat to national security, or otherwise, then prove it. Put your career and freedom on the line and be prepared to be judged after the fact.

Go ahead and order that bag-job, or that torture, or whatever other constitution-violating actions you think are necessary in order to counter the threat. But don't make it a secret. You should expect to stand trial and either be exonerated for doing the right thing in exigent circumstances or punished for breaking the law. After all - if the situation is not so dire that *your* liberty is worth the risk, then who are you to say that violating the liberty of someone else is worth the risk?

Deep Throat! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26186201)

I knew all about the watergate story, but had no idea this was his code name!

I was watching the news and I heard them say it... I had to rewind and put on the subtitles (sky+) to see what they said, and I couldn't believe it!

oh well, I have a imature sense of humor!

Re:Deep Throat! (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26186353)

Obviously you thought you knew all about the Watergate scandal. But if you are just now hearing about "Deep Throat" I don't think you knew much at all.

mmmmmmmmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26186207)

I could go for some of that right about now!

In his honor... (2, Funny)

VinylRecords (1292374) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186215)

I guess this weekend, seeing as I'm literally snowed into my apartment, I'll fire up All the President's Men on the TV........and Deep Throat....

Materials on Watergate (4, Informative)

Rinisari (521266) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186217)

If you don't know much about Watergate, I suggest hitting up Watergate [wikipedia.org] on Wikipedia, then considering acquiring a copy of Woodward and Bernstein's All the President's Men [tinyurl.com] . Those two reporters were the ones two interacted with Deep Throat [tinyurl.com] , named for a 70s porn.

The 1976 Redford/Hoffman movie version of the book All the President's Men [tinyurl.com] is the definitive story in video format.

Emery's Watergate [tinyurl.com] is another arguably excellent book on the matter.

Avoid the new "Frost/Nixon" film--it's history ambiguous and largely inaccurate; it's a Hollywood version of the story with excellent acting. Instead, watch the original interviews [tinyurl.com] .

No, ATPM gets a lot wrong (4, Informative)

unassimilatible (225662) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186591)

You want to read about Watergate, read G. Gordon Liddy's biography [amazon.com] , since he planned and executed Watergate. Then Read Stephen Ambrose's Nixon biography (the third one [amazon.com] ). Ambrose is the only one who gives a reason why Nixon would want to wiretap Larry O'Brien, not that I am convinced Nixon knew in advance (none of the principles involved have ever claimed this). Silent Coup [amazon.com] is an incredibly detailed chronicle of Watergate, but I disagree with its conclusions, other than John Dean was a little rat (Dean was the president's lawyer while working as an FBI informant). Never trust a word that comes out of Dean's mouth.

You'd also want to read Bob Haldeman's and John Erlichman's biographies.

ATPM gets a lot wrong. The bottom line is Nixon wasn't brought down by Woodward and Bernstein, they just kept up the heat.

Nixon was brought down by a guy named Alexander Butterfield announcing to the Senate Watergate Committee that Nixon taped his conversations [wikipedia.org] , which led to the smoking gun tape about Nixon telling the FBI that Watergate was a CIA operation, back-off. Nixon scuttled that idea the next day, but that tape is what brought him down, not W&B. Once Nixon finally released the tapes, that particular tape is what turned Barry Goldwater to support impeachment, and Nixon's goose was cooked. After Nixon heard he lost Goldwater, he turned to his SecState Al Haig and said, "Well, there goes the presidency, Al."

BTW, when Haig dies, I'm betting he was a Woodward source too. Haig, when NSA for Nixon, was given his military briefings by a young Naval Intelligence officer named Bob Woodward. To this day, Woodward will not talk about those briefings.

Re:No, ATPM gets a lot wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26190339)

Al Haig was Secretary of State under Ronald Reagan, not Richard Nixon. (He did serve as Chief of Staff under Nixon, though).

I believe Henry Kissinger was Secretary of State.

Slashdot, news for nerds... (-1, Flamebait)

Radak (126696) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186223)

...who have been playing WoW for the past three days.

well. maybe he didnt intend to but (-1, Redundant)

unity100 (970058) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186275)

he helped uncover one of the biggest shit that was pulled in entire world history. thanks.

Sources and the Media (2, Insightful)

AtomicSnarl (549626) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186315)

Yes, Jefferson chose free speech over a regulated media, and we reap the benefits of that in spite of the pain it can cause. Still, it seems the media falls into two camps:

- Illuminate, Educate, and Illustrate
- Titillate, Castigate, and Prevaricate

One pays better than the other, but one is much better for society in the long run.

Re:Sources and the Media (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26186417)

- Illuminate, Educate, and Illustrate
- Titillate, Castigate, and Prevaricat

You should be glad, because both of those choices are markedly better than:

- Mutilate, Expurgate, and Castrate

Which appear to be type of regulation non-free eventually come to enjoy.

Re:Sources and the Media (1)

gregbot9000 (1293772) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186639)

Actually, the former pays better in the long run too. The big media like to point the finger at the web, but the decline in circulation and readership correlates better to the corporate mergers of news papers and the decline in quality in the 90's and early 2000's better than it fits any other metric.

That shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, since the trend lately has been to lie and run companies into the ground for profit on Wallstreet without producing anything of real value. http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/03/breaking_the_news.html [motherjones.com]

Felt's Revenge for Not Getting Promoted (5, Interesting)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186369)

Mark Felt disclosed to Woodward and Bernstein what he thought would hurt Nixon, because Nixon had passed over Felt (#2 at FBI when Hoover finally died) in favor of a Nixon crony, an "outsider", to run the FBI instead of promoting Felt.

I'm glad he did. But I don't admire or respect Felt for it. Because Felt could have disclosed any of that stuff (or more that he surely knew) to Woodward and Bernstein, or many other journalists, well before he had reasons of personal revenge. Which might have prevented Nixon from being reelected in 1972, instead of a landslide followed by an aborted impeachment that has left this country in Constitutional crisis through today, worse every time around the cycle.

I'm not glad he's dead, either. I wish he had spilled more, about other Nixon cronies (like Rumsfeld and Cheney), and he might have done so once the Bush era was finally safely over, and those other criminals were as "retired" as he was. But evidently there wasn't enough personal gain in that kind of disclosure, so Felt never gave it. And now he never will.

Re:Felt's Revenge for Not Getting Promoted (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26186503)

i don't hear you speaking shit on obama's cronies. i guess that shows a bit of bias too. fucking bitch.

Re:Felt's Revenge for Not Getting Promoted (0, Offtopic)

gregbot9000 (1293772) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186701)

Bush, Rummy, and Dick are beyond bias. They are confirmed mother fuckers. Comparing Obama's buds to Bush's is comparing a bag of trash to a fucking landfill filled with illegally dumped toxic waste. I guess you've had your head so far up your ass you don't notice all the shit hitting the fan around you.

Re:Felt's Revenge for Not Getting Promoted (1)

DoctorRock (1042940) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186613)

Good point! A McGovern presidency would've saved us from Jimmy Carter, after which the Le May administration would have ushered in the radioactive Pax Amerikana. God bless the spiteful Mr. Felt, and let us warmly remember simpler times. Perhaps there are those of you who believe America still has a media that would so staunchly defy the presidency (e.g. Obama in a month). I would consider that wishful thinking, something akin to the dim-witted optimism they're busy stirring up for Windows 7.

he could've spilled beans earlier, too (1)

Trepidity (597) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186725)

Why do you think LBJ, for example, kept Hoover and his cronies (of which Felt was one) in office? To keep them from releasing dirt on him, which they duly didn't. The Hoover/Felt mafia dished the dirt as soon as someone stopped paying the protection money, which was 1972.

Re:he could've spilled beans earlier, too (1)

DoctorRock (1042940) | more than 5 years ago | (#26186833)

Which may or may not have included Kennedy's assassination. But that's academic. What we can take note of here is the choice of adjectives and adverbs. Conservatives use "surely" and "evidently", liberals use "shit" and "fuck". One conservative said "fucking bitch", hence the exception that proves the rule.

Re:he could've spilled beans earlier, too (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 5 years ago | (#26189197)

I notice that Robert Mueller is supposed to keep his job running the FBI, despite its many critical failures under his administration.

I also notice that Congress often fails to act in its own interest opposing the Executive Branch that the FBI works for.

His bean-spilling days were over (3, Informative)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 5 years ago | (#26187071)

I'm not glad he's dead, either. I wish he had spilled more, about other Nixon cronies (like Rumsfeld and Cheney), and he might have done so once the Bush era was finally safely over, and those other criminals were as "retired" as he was. But evidently there wasn't enough personal gain in that kind of disclosure, so Felt never gave it. And now he never will.

I heard Woodward interviewed on Fresh Air on NPR the other day (I think it was a rerun) and according to him, the last time he visited Mark Felt at Felt's home in California, Felt was in poor health. Specifically, he suffered from some form of dementia. According to Woodward, at that time he could barely remember why Nixon had to leave office. He knew who Woodward was, and he told Woodward that he and Bernstein "had done the right thing," but specific details of their past dealings were already lost to him. So as far as spilling any more beans, that door was closed.

Re:Felt's Revenge for Not Getting Promoted (1)

dbIII (701233) | more than 5 years ago | (#26187557)

You need a lot of reasons to act against the King because everyone sees that as high treason. With a normal Republican or Democratic Presidency it's a different issue and the President doesn't try to act like a King. Felt did something about it and the entire world can be grateful, and he stayed in the shadows for his own health but still got it done. A leader that makes foreign policy decisons based on bribes from foreign powers (eg. Indonesia), should not be running a country, and he got up to a lot more than that.

And since this event... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26186809)

Journalism hasn't been the same: every potential reporter now wants to "be the guy who takes down a president" so all we get is propoganda.

Well, I'm sorry for those who miss him, but I'm even sorryier for the media that now leads us like a juggernaut straight into misery.

Let us celebrate the death of another hypocrite! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26187517)

Mark Felt, another fascist hypocrite, is dead.

Too bad more hypocrites won't be dropping dead soon.

While Felt thought it was perfectly legitimate to violate the civil rights of the families of the members of the Weather Underground with his own "black bag buglaries", he was incensed by Nixons' band of thugs doing the EXACT same thing to the Democrat National Committee at the Watergate.

The only reason Felt went after Nixon was because Felt threw a tantrum when Tricky Dicky wouldn't let him run the FBI so Felt could violate the civil rights of millions more of American citizens in the pursuit of his own fascist agenda.

Felt was J. Edgar Hoovers' docile lapdog and would likely have worn a flowery sun-dress to match Jeds', had Jed asked him to. Perhaps Jed knew from firsthand experience exactly why Felt earned the moniker of "Deep Throat".

Felt was convicted of his crimes but like his fellow travelers in fascism he never served any jail time. He was pardoned by Ronald Reagan, a former movie actor whose two most memorable roles were as a supporting actor in Bedtime for Bonzo and a ventriloquist dummy for the Illuminazi Agents of the New World Order.

The only real travesty of justice is that the heads of neither Nixon nor Felt were not put on pikes in front of the White House and FBI headquarters as a future warning to anyone who might attempt to repeat their fascist misdeeds.

Those who would lull themselves in the false belief that the Democrats are any less fascist than the Republicans need only recall the Massacre at Waco. Felt admired Janet Reno. Timothy McVeigh did exactly what Janet Reno taught him to do, murdering innocent people. Neither should be forgiven.

I do not doubt that Felt still admired Reno even after her massacre of both citizens and the Posse Comitatus Act, but it does make you wonder how many hypocritical circular illogical loops Felts' mind must have revolved around when he heard the news about what McVeigh did.

Being a master of disinformation and trickery himself, I seriously doubt Felt was incapable of seeing that the Massacre at Oklahoma City was a direct and logical conclusion of the heinous and murderous official oppression at Waco but perhaps his own self-righteousness would have continued to cloud his logic and judgement.

Those who would violate the civil rights of others should not be allowed any 8th Amendment protections.

The government serves at the whim of the people, not vice versa. Ask any deposed dictators.

Don't tase me, bro!

Re:Let us celebrate the death of another hypocrite (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26187577)

He's roasting in the coals of Hell right alongside Bobby Fischer

I was very dissapointed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26188213)

as a young child, finding vcr tapes with deep throat on it, hoping for porno but alas.........

Deepthroat was... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26188661)

A Bad Man Who Did the Right Thing for the Wrong Reasons.

Like with software bugs... (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 5 years ago | (#26189339)

'[...] unravel one of the greatest known political scandals in our nation's history.'

There, fixed that for you.

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