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Citrix To Bring Millions of Windows Apps To iPhone

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the your-chocolate-got-in-my-melted-cheese dept.

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Anonymous writes "Citrix is putting out word that it's developing an iPhone receiver that could make 'millions' of Windows applications work on Apple's handset. (Something Citrix is calling 'Project Braeburn.') Aside from Flash and a few other apps, is anyone pining for Windows-based apps on the iPhone? (Exchange on the iPhone seems to be successful, but so does Apple's App store, which has done pretty well without Windows.)"

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Citrix is near! (5, Funny)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 5 years ago | (#26210957)

Citrix is near!
Performance: oh dear.
Sooner, the service
From suds of yesteryear.
Burma Shave

And with them millions of viruses (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26211029)

This is a crazy idea. Goodbye iPhone security.

Re:And with them millions of viruses (1)

techprophet (1281752) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211545)

Yes, iPhone security will go down the tubes after that.

Re:And with them millions of viruses (5, Informative)

wastedlife (1319259) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211961)

You do know that Citrix is a Remote Desktop (Terminal Services) add-on that displays applications in their own window instead of an entire desktop? Applications run on the server, not on the iPhone. Unless the Citrix client itself is filled with holes, there is nothing that can infect the iPhone, just the Windows Server hosting Citrix and the application.

Re:Citrix is near! (1)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211065)

And if you really drink much beer
you rime service with yesteryear.

Re:Citrix is near! (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211389)

No love for the sooner/service/suds alliteration?
So much for "building dramatic tension" ;)

Re:Citrix is near! (1)

wastedlife (1319259) | more than 5 years ago | (#26212047)

I believe most Burma Shave signs had a "A B C B" or "A A B A" rhyming scheme. Like such:

Big Mistake
Many Make
Rely On Horn
Instead of Brake
Burma Shave

Windows Games on your iPhone! (1)

Two9A (866100) | more than 5 years ago | (#26210959)

What, you're not pining for a bit of Age of Empires on the train home?

To be honest, I can't see the point of running desktop applications on your phone. Anyone else?

Re:Windows Games on your iPhone! (1)

Ogive17 (691899) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211175)

Why not? It's a handheld computer that already has thousands of applications (I'm guessing, never looked). If I'm going to pay that much for one I'll want the option to use it as entertainment. I'd probably put the original Command & Conquor on it for long trips on a plane or in a car.

Re:Windows Games on your iPhone! (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211351)

Have you ever tried playing any RTS using a small screen and no keyboard? It may sound like a "neat" idea but you'll have to put the computer on easy and suffer with the handicap of not being able to do anything fast or efficient. When I first got my Tablet PC, I was psyched to be able to play RTS and other dexterity limit games with a pen (or almost touch screen) and I have to tell you, it's not as cool as it sounds. Even games like MOO2 and GalCiv that are turn based so you can take your time were less enjoyable.

Re:Windows Games on your iPhone! (2, Interesting)

techprophet (1281752) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211575)

Well for that Wine could be ported more easily than C&C. Why? Wine already runs on OSX (which the iPhone supposedly runs). Releasing it bundled with C&C would be simple. C&C already runs perfectly in Wine, so there is nothing to fear.

Re:Windows Games on your iPhone! (3, Informative)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211733)

The iPhone uses an ARM processor. Unless you have a C&C binary compiled for Win32/ARM, WINE won't do jack shit for you.

Re:Windows Games on your iPhone! (1)

techprophet (1281752) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211865)

Is that so? Oh well then. VNC still works for whenever I need to scratch my RTS itch.

Re:Windows Games on your iPhone! (2, Informative)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 5 years ago | (#26212073)

While there was an attempt back in the PowerPC days to add support for CPU emulation to WINE, by integrating the QEmu project, when Apple ditched the PowerPC series for ix86, that development effort pretty much ended.

So at this stage, WINE needs to run on an ix86 CPU to work effectively. The iPhone uses an ARM CPU, which does not support the ix86 instruction set. Even if Apple allowed WINE to run on an iPhone (currently it would violate the rules unless bundled with a closed app that works as the entry point for the WINE app and doesn't result in anything outside of the WINE libraries and application itself from being executed), it would not be effective as a way to run Windows apps on the iPhone platform.

Sorry.

Once again... (4, Insightful)

dr_strang (32799) | more than 5 years ago | (#26210963)

An answer to a question nobody was asking.

Re:Once again... (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211131)

Exactly. Who wants to pay to run desktop apps over a network to their phone? Build a real client for the phone to save on network costs.

On top of that, most Windows apps aren't suited at all to be used with (relatively) low resolution screens and an all-touch interface. Even todays best smartphones still aren't the sort of thing you'd want to do serious work on for any length of time. Email and calendar work fine, but editing spreadsheets, word processing and presentation work is best left to a device with full input and output capabilities.

Not to mention that you can probably get VNC or Remote Desktop clients on the iPhone already and just set up your own system for free (with a VM server if you need multiple clients). Citrix is a waste of time for purely personal use.

Re:Once again... (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211251)

Exactly.

You can already get VNC clients, and there's bound to be a build of rdesktop. Of course these may only be available on jailbroken phones...

Re:Once again... (2, Informative)

techprophet (1281752) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211605)

VNC is available for non-jailbroken iPhones. rdesktop I dont know about.

Re:Once again... (2, Funny)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211137)

You aren't listening correctly - this will be of great use to many many businesses out there with a Windows infrastructure.

Re:Once again... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26211255)

The iphone screen is insanely tiny for a Windows application. I'm sure there are some really useful Windows applications that fit nicely in 480x320 pixels but I can't think of any.

The best I can think of it is that a Windows-based company can create new Windows applications for the iphone more easily than they could if they had to switch to a different infrastructure. But running existing desktop Windows applications on a device so different from a PC looks weird unless it's marketing-speech.

Re:Once again... (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211407)

The iphone screen is insanely tiny for a Windows application. I'm sure there are some really useful Windows applications that fit nicely in 480x320 pixels but I can't think of any.

Chat clients, a good part of the common property dialog, a view of solitaire with a few cards on screen at one time, a 5 pixel view of the web after adding the yahoo toolbar to IE...

Why not? (3, Insightful)

vvaduva (859950) | more than 5 years ago | (#26210965)

Why not? This is an exploration of business opportunities, so more power to them!

Re:Why not? (1)

Alex Belits (437) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211055)

iPhone screen resolution is 320x480 pixels.

320x480 (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26211335)

iPhone screen resolution is 320x480 pixels

And that will let you look at the upper left corner of thousands of Windows apps on your iPhone.

Lovely.

Cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26210971)

A copy of Wine for a Cellphone ?

VNC (1)

terrabit (50647) | more than 5 years ago | (#26210975)

Isn't VNC already available on the iPhone? Atleast jail broken iPhones?

Re:VNC (1)

prennix (1069734) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211437)

yea, you can RDP to windows, telnet and ssh from an iphone to windows/linux.

As with my linux boxes... why run wine or make windows apps run on Linux when I can connect to one by remote? Doesn't everyone run VMWare for that kinda thing nowadays?

I guess not. I can kinda see a pack of monkeys with sticks, beating on a monolithic silver and glass device...

Re:VNC (1)

jmauro (32523) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211559)

It's actually a free app in the regular iTunes App store. No jail break needed. It however kind of sucks since it's really difficult to control a desktop that expect you to have a seperate full keyboard and a seperate mouse.

Mod me troll (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26210989)

The first ever virus for the iPhone...
 
...and it comes with an official announcement.

O tempora! O mores!

lol citrix (-1, Troll)

Alex Belits (437) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211015)

Citrix?

The guys that sell proprietary, incompatible, inferior OpenVPN replacement and proprietary, incompatible, inferior VNC replacement?

Re:lol citrix (1)

Doug Neal (195160) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211095)

Citrix?

The guys that sell proprietary, incompatible, inferior OpenVPN replacement and proprietary, incompatible, inferior VNC replacement?

Licensing aside, how do you come to the conclusion that is VNC superior to Citrix?

Re:lol citrix (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26211305)

have you EVER used Citrix? inferior to VNC in what way? You can complain, rightly so most often, about a lot of things on windows, but I have seen nothing else that remotely compares to the performance of windows remote desktop, which is basically Citrix' idea "reimplimented" by Microsoft. No, VNC is nowhere near as good, don't even pretend it is which would only remove any doubt of your fanboism. Exported Remote X Sessions are better, but still no match for Remote Desktop/Citrix. Give credit where it is due. Citrix works, well. Remote Desktop works, well.

Re:lol citrix (1)

Alex Belits (437) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211361)

I don't use Windows, ICA server only works on Windows, and Linux version of ICA client is horrible.

Re:lol citrix (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26211697)

There are Presentation Server versions for several flavors of *nix.

Re:lol citrix (2, Insightful)

nicolas.kassis (875270) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211405)

Actually the protocol citrix uses kicks microsoft rdp protocols ass. But citirx is not very reliable.

Re:lol citrix (1)

LDoggg_ (659725) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211713)

You're right, Citrix has much better network performance than VNC.

I'd call FreeNX superior to citrix in that it is both free and has similar network performance to citrix.

Re:lol citrix (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26211319)

Licensing aside, how do you come to the conclusion that is VNC superior to Citrix?

I cannot speak for him, but licensing itself is a deal breaker for me.

Back to the topic, good for them. Who cares if it's supposedly "answering a question that noone asked". Sometimes, some of the greatest things in the world came from people taking a risk on a new idea. If it's of any use, they will be successful. If it is a failure, then that will have no real impact on the rest of the world.

Re:lol citrix (1, Troll)

Huh? (105485) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211321)

Citrix?

The guys that sell proprietary, incompatible, inferior OpenVPN replacement and proprietary, incompatible, inferior VNC replacement?

I wish I had mod points today, because the people that modded this steamy tird of a post insightful have no clue what their talking about.

Re:lol citrix (1)

daemonc (145175) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211569)

Yes, Citrix, also the guys that support the open source Xen virtualization platform [xensource.com] .

Re:lol citrix (1)

IceCreamGuy (904648) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211829)

Are you serious? Either you're a troll, or you're completely clueless as to what Citrix is. Citrix allows you to stream applications (remote desktop streaming is probably the least used feature) at extremely high speeds across a LAN or WAN. As in a user clicks a program icon from their start menu and it launches a program and they have no idea it's not running on their computer. Or they click a link on a webpage and it launches a program that appears to be running locally. Like, you're running Linux or OSX and you click a link and a window pops up and there is Excel 2007 at almost full speed. Maybe I'm not up with the times, but I'm pretty sure VNC can't approach that. Not only this, but Citrix also allows integration with LDAP, AD, eDirectory, or whatever directory service you run to allow granular control over user access. I don't even think VNC is directory-aware. Then, on top of that, it they also have software that allows you to cluster and load-balance streamed applications across multiple pieces of hardware. VNC is truly not even in the same category of software as Citrix. I'm not saying it's perfect, or that you would have any reason to use it, but to compare Citrix to VNC is just plain silly. OpenVPN is even sillier, you're confusing a VPN with a service that is commonly used over a VPN.

Umm... (4, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211025)

Citrix is thinking of releasing an ICA client for the iPhone. Wow. That is really "Bring[ing] millions of Windows apps to iPhone." Right. ICA is arguably superior(and certainly more common in business type scenarios); but VNC on iPhone is old news and does pretty much the same thing. Hell, it looks like an RDP client is also available.

I'm sure that a lot of people will find this quite useful(I know the iPhone-carrying; but otherwise MS-headed network manager at my workplace will be all over it); but this is neither surprising nor especially interesting, and far from groundbreaking. Citrix will(assuming they manage to beat x11 support out the door) be the third graphical remote protocol to make it to the iPhone. Useful for people in environments that use citrix; but hardly novel.

Re:Umm... (4, Insightful)

222 (551054) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211567)

I hate to sound like an ass, but there is a massive difference between ICA and X11 or VNC as far as real world implementations go. Aside from the overwhelming technical differences, real world usage scenarios are also vastly different. I suppose I'm biased, as we're a Citrix shop here, but one of these things is definitely not like the other, rightly so. X11 is flexible enough to be a remote display protocol, and VNC simply does what it set out to; not bad in either case.

Published applications, server clusters, connection management... I could go on for a good while regarding the merits of Citrix.

Re:Umm... (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211819)

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Citrix, we use it here as well, and its capabilities are quite sophisticated. I'm just annoyed that "Citrix announces ICA client for iPhone" somehow became "Citrix to bring Millions of Windows Apps to iPhone." Nothing wrong with an ICA client(except the ones on HP's WinCE based thin clients, which take 30 seconds to connect on an 800MHz machine for no good reason); but the summary's puffery was making it sound as though this sort of thing had never been done before.

Re:Umm... (1)

222 (551054) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211923)

I'll agree that this isn't some sort of revolution in whats accessible via cell phones, but it is packaged in a very pretty box from an IT perspective :- )

Re:Umm... (1)

xtracto (837672) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211849)

I have to add the fact that in my experience VNC is SLOOOOOOOOOOOOW and not really useful in less than 512kbps connections (on both sides).

Whereas Citrix connections are in contrast really smooth (T1[UK, University link] -->56kpbs [Mexico] modem). I do not know much about the underlying technology of both of them but AFAI can tell, VNC tries to download/display the whole screen as an image while Citrix only carries the GDI information. X11 might be similar but AFAIK there is no X11 server for iPhone yet...

RDP (3, Interesting)

jshackney (99735) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211033)

The only thing Windows-related I've ever needed on my phone was RDP. And on my Fuze (Windows Mobile 6), it crashes every time I use it. I'm starting to wonder if the iPhone would have been a better choice.

Re:RDP (1)

dunkelfalke (91624) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211409)

never had any problems with rdp on my htc himalaya, htc universal or toshiba e800 (windows mobile 2003, 2003se, 5, 6 and 6.1).
using rdp on my universal is especially fun because of the vga screen and full keyboard - firefox through rdp is faster than opera mobile.

Re:RDP (1)

Electrawn (321224) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211555)

I have the Fuze, and I have zero issues with RDP crashing. Other apps seem to go through crash fests (Opera, activesync, Solitaire for !@%@#%@ sake) but not RDP. I am using RDP to an XP machine with a dedicated internet address and a a hole poked through the corp firewall.

That said, moving to AT&Ts network from Verizon leaves a lot to be desired. More bars in more places my ass. That's probably the source of many crashes.

 

More Bars (1)

aapold (753705) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211817)

They refer to how many more bars you will seek out to drink after dealing with it ;)

I've also had no problems with the RDP on the Fuze, and at 640x480 I can at least see what I'm working on. About the only annoying thing is that for some reason world of warcraft won't let you run via an RDP session via my home computer (not that I'd use it for actual playing the game, but it would suffice for auction house and doing cooldowns and stuff). I haven't tried VNC for this yet.

But seriously everything else I need to do on my servers for normal work is terrific...

As for the citrix thing, I mean, why not? They have to know the resolution they're working with, I imagine they could do a scrolling/zooming type interface just like you do for browsing, why wouldn't you want it available? No one is forcing you to use it if you don't want it.

Re:RDP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26211669)

Get a baked ROM. AT&T really screwed the pooch when it came to the Fuze, which is a shame because the HTC Touch from which it was branded is an absolutely great phone both performance-wise and reliability-wise.

Don't do this! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26211037)

If you cant see the wire that is emanating fromn a phone it means that people can hear your thoughts on the other end. I for one will not stand for this. Wherefore, phonetically I am hermified securely in a cabolonicrtudinfyutjnuy, smell like dog???

Do we want this? (2, Interesting)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211061)

When I hear this I worry about seeing Windows CE style applications being pushed to the iPhone. Then again I imagine if the applications don't fit the user experience guidelines Apple will simply prevent them from coming to the store.

Re:Do we want this? (3, Insightful)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211187)

Why would that worry anyone? And what is wrong with Windows CE applications?

Re:Do we want this? (1)

Locutus (9039) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211579)

it's all a marketing ploy to reduce demand for the product by showing a supposed flaw in the platform. Who do you think benefits from such an idiotic concept as having Windows desktop applications running on the iPhone?

There's more to marketing than just fooling the public into thinking your product it good. Sometimes, you have to swing them over to thinking that the dominant product is failing somewhere or in some way.

And if you look around, you'll probably see what I've seen with hardcore Windows fanboyz buying iPhones. Apple seems to have hit another homerun like they did with the iPod and the iPhone is much more of a threat to Windows. This kind of marketing tactic is SOP for you know who but there are also some press people and users who just don't the PDA. Semi-ludites I suppose and just can't wrap their little minds around computing devices for different things. IMO

LoB

This may sway me to an iPhone (5, Interesting)

whoisearth (1002000) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211105)

Working in IT, one of the problems I have with my blackberry is that the ability to RDP into my work enviroment is not possible on a free scale, therefore work is not persuing the opportunity. With citrix available on an iPhone, all of a sudden, my ability to work has increased exponentially. Now if it works properly, that's a whole other story... And I can just see our remote desktop support going "You're logging into work how now?". "You think we're going to support this?"

Re:This may sway me to an iPhone (4, Informative)

cbelt3 (741637) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211247)

Bingo. While the technorati here at /. may look down their noses at it, there are a gazillion of us corporate types using Citrix (or, as we like to call it, Sh*trix), which is empirically a terminal application. So think of a terminal on the iPhone that lets you get into your entire corporate application empire.

MAJOR Business killer application. Instantly, the iPhone can become the defacto business palmtop environment. Sure, businesses will need to scale applications dependent on 1024x768 or higher screen sizes, or get used to virtual screens (imagine a virtual screen using the tilt sensors for screen panning ? Cool !).

Apple is gonna kill the Crackberry if this works.

Re:This may sway me to an iPhone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26211761)

So think of a terminal on the iPhone that lets you get into your entire corporate application empire...One small pane at a time

If you want a mobile remote desktop box, this is NOT it. Think about a windows app that will be remotely usable at this scale. Now throw a virtual keyboard on top if you want to interface with it.
No thanks.

What you're looking for is more along the lines of a Nokia N810, which is at least 800x480 and hasa hard keyboard. It supports rdesktop and vnc (and obviously x11, as its running linux), I wouldnt be surprised if there is a citrix client either.

No, I don't own one, I've just been researching the field a lot lately. nobody makes anything that scratches all itches, but the iphone itch is trendy music player with minor internet abilities-- you do NOT want to try to make it do real work.

Re:This may sway me to an iPhone (2, Informative)

222 (551054) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211815)

This will no doubt help Apple, but there has been an ICA client for Blackberry phones for awhile now. I've used it and while screensize is a PITA, its more or less functional and great in a pinch. As for us terminal geeks, MidpSSH is an order of magnitude more awesome. It proxies through the BES server eliminating the need for a VPN client, and allows me to access any Cisco or Unix server on my network, regardless of location.

Its seriously the coolest thing ever, and best of all free.

http://www.xk72.com/midpssh/ [xk72.com]

Re:This may sway me to an iPhone (2, Funny)

EveLibertine (847955) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211929)

MAJOR Business killer application.

Why is your application killing businesses?

Re:This may sway me to an iPhone (1)

filthpickle (1199927) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211275)

there's an RDP client for the iphone for $15 (last I checked). I have no use for it, but I almost bought it anyway just to see how well it worked (yes, I'm a sucker like that).

Re:This may sway me to an iPhone (3, Informative)

uptownguy (215934) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211739)

The program is called WinAdmin -- it is $11.99 -- and I bought it on my second day of owning an iPhone. Works great.

There is a lot of FUD out there about how the BlackBerry and WM phones are "business" phones ... but having owned 10+ models of PDAs/Smartphones over the last 10 years, I can honestly say that the iPhone is the best business phone I've ever owned. You just need to know what apps to download...

Free? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26211723)

Umm...just where did the word "Free" enter the conversation? iPhone apps can (and many do) cost money. I didn't see anything in TFA that suggested this would be a free client.

Re:This may sway me to an iPhone (1)

mini me (132455) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211753)

There has been at least one RDP client for sale in the App Store since it opened. Your potential of ability to work increased exponentially months ago. What have you been waiting for?

Already done (1, Informative)

jdc180 (125863) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211169)

Millions of windows apps are already available for the iphone.. it's called VNC.

Re:Already done (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26211805)

Technically you are correct, the best kind of correct. However, practically VNC is an absolute piece of shit. It is a network hog and is virtually useless over anything less than a LAN. RDP is a MUCH better protocol, and ICA is even better than that. VNC over 3G or EDGE would be absolutely painful, but that kind of latency is nothing for ICA which was designed to work over 14.4k baud modems and handles it quite well.

Cries (1)

CableModemSniper (556285) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211171)

I have enough issues with our app on Citrix as it is, never mind throwing in an iPhone client into the mix. :(. I hope they just keep using blackberries.

Cool iphone Spyware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26211183)

iPhone spyware and virus coming soon, thanks to windows.

Re:Cool iphone Spyware (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26211415)

Do you have ANY FREAKING CLUE WHAT THIS PRODUCT IS ABOUT? Jesus H. Christ on a crutch. Its amazing just how FUCKING STUPID YOU DON'T MIND LOOKING JUST TO MAKE AN ANTI MICROSOFT STATEMENT. Yes, I'm YELLING, and Yes, YOU ARE A FUCKTARD!

Re:Cool iphone Spyware (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26211597)

Parent needs to take his medication, but he's right. Citrix is a remote client which attaches to a server in a remote session-like arrangement. Nothing actually RUNS on your iPhone except the client. There's no possibility of evil viruses scampering up the line into your iPhone, and if you don't understand that, then you've watched "The Net" or "Hackers" too many times.

In fact, on a highly-secure application I worked on, we actually used Citrix to enhance security--rather than put the app on everyone's desktop, we put the app on it's own locked down highly protected machine, and made users Citrix in to use the app. This insulated us from the possibly untrustworthy user machine.

Big deal (1)

drinkonlyscotch (1427129) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211199)

There may be "millions" of Windows apps, but how many are worth a damn? There have always been far less apps available for the Mac, but at the same time, more good ones.

Re:Big deal (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211953)

There may be "millions" of Windows apps, but how many are worth a damn?

More than enough to matter. Why do you think Apple's PR made so much noise about Boot Camp?

Feedback Loop (4, Interesting)

TomSawyer (100674) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211217)

Just a little over a week ago my boss brought this up:

Bullet #6 is probably the biggest complaint I hear from all PDA users.

He was referring to an article that he forgot to link to and I got the URL from an IM. It seems some "journalist" had an article due and the iPhone is hot and top 10 lists are easy to write. The #6 slot was dedicated to the enterprise shortfall of the iPhone by not including native support for editing MS-Office documents.

My boss doesn't even have a PDA. However, the other executives with PDAs have bought into the marketing line that needing to edit office documents on your phone is a sign of importance. That strokes their ego a lot more than pointing out it's more a sign of the need for a collaboration platform that can operate without duplicating and shuttling large binaries.

Re:Feedback Loop (1)

Locutus (9039) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211491)

make the public need desktop applications on the PDA and the PDA fails. Wow, where have I seen and heard that one before.

Seems like yet another sign that some people in management didn't get there because of their mental skills.

And isn't there Google Docs for the iPhone or something like that if the idiots ever actually want to attempt full word processing on a PDA?

LoB

Re:Feedback Loop (1)

DSmith1974 (987812) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211655)

And isn't there Google Docs for the iPhone or something like that if the idiots ever actually want to attempt full word processing on a PDA?

LoB

Not quite. At least, not yet. Google Docs is only available through the browser so you need a signal (mostly OK I guess since the service is unlimited data), but then the Docs are read-only (except for Notebook is writable but with cut down functionality). Before the G1 I had a Windows Mobile phone - the interface was hideous but you did have a choice of editors from Notepad, Pocket-Word and even Emacs/Xemacs. It was pretty useful to be able to take notes whilst reading on the way into work. So far the Android Market only has a few paltry notepad-like demos - I'm hoping a port of Emacs will find its way there sooner or later.

Re:Feedback Loop (1)

DSmith1974 (987812) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211497)

My boss doesn't even have a PDA. However, the other executives with PDAs have bought into the marketing line that needing to edit office documents on your phone is a sign of importance. That strokes their ego a lot more than pointing out it's more a sign of the need for a collaboration platform that can operate without duplicating and shuttling large binaries.

Yeah, it's a shame that the G1 didn't have any native support for Google Docs along with Gears for off-line working during flights or whatever. Maybe they're working on it (along with Gears for Notebook)?

Gaming + driving (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26211221)

I live in an Italin commuinity, , folks already talk with their hands and use cellphone and drive with their knees.
  What do we do next ? play windows games on them ?
  We need another leg . So what do we do now ?
Get male enhancement drugs that last 4 hours to drive the damn car ?

Flash, Word, Excel are Mac apps (-1, Offtopic)

objekt (232270) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211243)

In fact I bet they were on Mac long before they were on Windows.

Re:Flash, Word, Excel are Mac apps (1)

objekt (232270) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211387)

Checking my facts:

Flash has always been Mac and Windows.

Word for Mac was released in 1985.
The first version of Word for Windows was released in 1989.

Redmond released the first version of Excel for the Mac in 1985, and the first Windows version (numbered 2.05 to line up with the Mac and bundled with a run-time Windows environment) in November 1987.

Re:Flash, Word, Excel are Mac apps (1)

WillAdams (45638) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211533)

\begin{pedantry}
Yeah, but Flash was originally FutureSplash Animator which was based on FutureWave SmartSketch which was originally a PenPoint app.
\end{pedantry}

William

fails at man-machine interface (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26211277)

... common desktop apps are inefficient and frustrating when you take away the mouse, keyboard and hi res monitors.

When considering windows applications the iphone suffers from small screen and a touchscreen.

I think this will end up as a conduit for iphone optimized windows hosted apps (gross) + whatever existing windows apps are not frustrating to work with when 'served out' to an iphone using the vnc client.

Is there anyway to port my Windows viruses to it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26211341)

I just can't get comfortable with the interface without them.

Re:Is there anyway to port my Windows viruses to i (1)

techprophet (1281752) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211663)

Yes there is. i can work on that for you if you want. just email me ;P

Er...no. (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26211371)

This is NOT "bringing Windows apps to the iPhone."

This is allowing the iPhone to connect to a Citrix server (which your company needs to buy and set up). You can then run apps directly on the server, or open a remote desktop session to a PC on the network.

The iPhone isn't RUNNING anything other than the client. And unless you run your own Citrix server (signs point to "no"), you don't have access to "millions of apps" except in theory. You have access to the apps that your company decides to put on the server, or (IF they decide to enable remote desktop) the apps they let you install on your company PC.

In other words, you're not playing Fallout on this.

And, since TFP seems unclear about this--no, this will NOT get you Flash in your web browser. And, no, Flash is NOT a Windows app.

Show horse over work horse? (1)

Rheaghal (1315621) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211445)

The availability of WM apps would be the only thing that could make me remotely consider an iPhone, assuming they run well, which is a long shot at best I would guess. If you're going to have a phone that is also a mobile computer, why would you consider a show horse over a work horse? Windows apps, on the other hand, seems a bit far fetched. I can already do that with LogMeIn.com on my WM phone.

I for one applaud! (1)

kaizendojo (956951) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211453)

I won't have to listen to colleagues prattle on about how superior their iPhone apps are to my Windows Mobile brick. Now their phones can be a slow and buggy as mine!

Re:I for one applaud! (1)

techprophet (1281752) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211619)

Yeah! What a concept! A buggy Mac [/sarcasm] Macs still have some glaring bugs, but not in the userspace where most people venture.

LOL, Microsoft sucks at writing iPhone apps so Cit (1)

Locutus (9039) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211461)

... so Citrix was hired to bring desktop Windows apps to the iPhone. Ho ho ho and a ha ha ah.

LoB

Nooooooo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26211483)

So then we again have to choose between multiple browsers/mailapp?? Oh mighty Steve, save us from this peril!

Citrix through Java? (1)

toiletbowl (1344587) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211511)

I had only heard this, but wasn't the Citrix Java client already able to run on the iPhone?

Re:Citrix through Java? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26211627)

No.

You can't run Java on the iPhone.

What about Linux? (1)

PoiuyTerry (736125) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211539)

Perhaps we could ask Citrix to do the same for Linux next?

Okay we seem to have two camps (1)

hellfire (86129) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211591)

OWe have two sets of responses here so far. One camp says "why on earth would I want to do this?" The other camp says "it's already here, old news, move along, why do I need to know?" I love the /. naysayers and whiners, entertaining even while they completely fail to provide any insight on this.

To answer the first camp, #1 if VNC did it, obviously there is demand. The demand doesn't come from geeks using a remote program to administer their servers, the real demand comes from running windows apps on a citrix/VNC/terminal server with the full power of the server behind it, but with an interface fitting a mobile device. For example, my company has a "wireless warehouse" program which runs on a terminal server, but we have wireless scanner guns which connect to this terminal server via RDC and display the app. The power of a full version of windows in the palm of your hand. Okay it's still windows, but at least it's not windows mobile.

To answer the second camp, why this is significant is competition, and markets opening up for similar style applications. Granted, the iPhone has no bar code scanner yet, so my example won't fit here, but now you have VNC, Citrix, and RDC all making an appearance on the iPhone. That means competition, and it also means that the demand is already there. It also means opportunities are opening for business ideas, which is a direction Apple wanted to go... business applications. That could potentially be huge. Build it and they just might come.

Re:Okay we seem to have two camps (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26211825)

VNC will not meet our regulatory requirements. Citrix does. Citrix solves many problems with regulators by providing legacy applications with encryption and strong password controls. I'll concede that there are a number of ways to meet these requirements, but when the regulators come in and see Citrix and our controls, they understand immediately and move on to the next area of inquiry. Disaster recovery is another area that this would help. Set a trader up on his/her iPhone and away they go. No need for a full blown desktop. One part of our disaster recovery uses mobile offices with satellite links to the Internet. Citrix on a 3G network would be infinitely better than 10 users sharing a single connection. The OP is a silly question that has been discussed over and over. Citrix has a foothold and a place in the world. End of story.

Ummm...Yes.... (1)

oh_my_080980980 (773867) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211661)

The mindset of some people is truly amazing. Quote, "I find no use for it so why would anyone else?" Really brilliant. It's right up there with "640K is all they will need."

The market for this type of app is the corporate market. This is an area of great growth. More and more corporations are moving to mobile computing devices, i.e. hand helds like the iPhone. If you can't connect, talk to, run Windows apps then you may was well toss your iPhone in the dust bin because you have basically conceded the market to Blackberrys.

Take your head out of your ass and realize there is more to the universe than your pathetic little world.

Feh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26211731)

Feh - Citrix had ICA clients for Java, Palm and Windows CE around ten years ago when Metaframe 1.0 came out. This is really only useful to the niche market of corporate Citrix customers Apple is trying to woo away from Blackberry.

As an additional comment, let me clear up some misconceptions about Citrix I read earlier in the thread.

1) Citrix and VNC are two entirely different things. Both let you look at things remotely, but VNC is an add-on for one session, while Citrix is a delivery/presentation platform.

2) Citrix is actually a rewrite of the Win32 kernel that allows MULTIPLE USERS to run Windows sessions on a host simultaneously. This is useful for a lot of reasons, but the point is to run **Windows** apps remotely.

3) That said, I know there is a have Unix host version, but I do not know much about it. Presumably it does the same thing as Citrix for Windows - remote desktop and application support for Unix apps, but without the headaches of X.

3) You can use ICA/RDP to provide the same remote visibility as VNC. In fact - everyone in the hinterlands with servers >= Win2K or desktops >= WinXP is already a Citrix customer because Microsoft licensed the multiuser kernel code modifications from Citrix to implement the Remote Desktop and Remote Assistance features, as well as the "RDP App Server" mode of Win2k+.

4) ICA and RDP are protocols for communicating mouse clicks, keystrokes and screen updates between client and host. ICA is one component of the Citrix platform, but only one component. (I think you can even set your Citrix servers to use RDP instead of ICA if you want.

-Steve

One word: FreeCell. (2, Funny)

sootman (158191) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211751)

Seriously. Not the crappy, ugly version that comes with Vista, not one of the so-so clones, just the good old, highly-addictive, always-winnable*, 8-bit-graphics version that came with Windows from 95 through XP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeCell_(Windows) [wikipedia.org]

* according to Wikipedia, there is one deal in the Windows version that is unsolvable.

Cute. (2, Informative)

sootman (158191) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211797)

For those who don't eat fruit, Braeburn is a kind of apple. [wikipedia.org]

It is time to look to the future (1)

QuietLagoon (813062) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211913)

instead of remaining stuck in the Windows past.

Millions?? (1)

sunderland56 (621843) | more than 5 years ago | (#26211933)

I've got a Windows phone - and there are nowhere near a million apps that run on it. A few thousand, maybe.

And I'm not even going to think about the speed of emulating the x86 instruction set on a slow cellphone processor.

Transgaming (1)

macshome (818789) | more than 5 years ago | (#26212065)

Transgaming's Cider libraries run on the iPhone now. That's how Puzzle Quest is being released on the iPhone...
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