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Karl Rove's IT Guru Dies In Small Plane Crash

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the discuss-among-yourselves dept.

Republicans 377

A dozen readers have submitted the story of the death in a plane crash of Mike Connell, Karl Rove's IT adviser, the man who set up and ran the gwb43.com mail server, and an important figure in GOP tech circles since 1997. The closest thing to straight reporting to be found in a mainstream media outlet is a piece from KDKA in Pittsburgh giving a detailed backgrounder on Connell's work for Rove, two generations of the Bush family, and many GOP congressmen and committees. CBSNews.com is now mirroring the KDKA reporting. Almost all the early media coverage comes from the left and some of it is frankly conspiratorial. Among the milder pieces (although it could not be called balanced) is this interview with Mark Crispin Miller, NYU professor and author of two books about the 2004 election in Ohio. Connell was compelled to testify on the day before the US election in a lawsuit involving Ohio election irregularities in 2004. Connell, an experienced pilot, died on Sunday when his plane crashed two miles short of the runway of Akron-Canton Airport in Ohio.

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Accident? (5, Funny)

gbulmash (688770) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217053)

<tinfoil-hat>Does anyone really think this was an accident?</tinfoil-hat>

But seriously, if anyone knew "too much," this guy could qualify.

Re:Accident? (5, Interesting)

erroneus (253617) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217117)

Yes, and a guy associated with the billion-dollar ponzi scheme also committed suicide... or, well... he was found with his wrists cut and had bled to death... the cause and nature of death has yet to be determined precisely.

As the Republican dynasty comes to an end, I think we will see more of this. Not to say that Democrats are clean and clear -- there were a number of "interesting deaths" surrounding the Clintons as well. I believe there is a lot of ugly truth associated with the rule of the U.S.A... we will never ever know the truth. Depresses me sometimes.

Re:Accident? (4, Insightful)

hachete (473378) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217319)

umm, the ponzi guy was an INVESTOR in the scheme. A scammee not a scammer.

I know of at least 3 bankers who have committed suicide recently, mostly from those banks whose funds have tanked. It's almost like the twenties.

The only "interesting deaths" surrounding the Clintons were those which their opponents tried to tar them with.

Not everything has to be a conspiracy. Aircraft do crash.

Re:Accident? (4, Informative)

rufus t firefly (35399) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217431)

umm, the ponzi guy was an INVESTOR in the scheme. A scammee not a scammer.

I know of at least 3 bankers who have committed suicide recently, mostly from those banks whose funds have tanked. It's almost like the twenties.

There's an interesting post [frontierps...rist.co.uk] about that, which also points out that there wasn't a lot of bankers who committed suicide after the crash in 1929. Looks like that's a bit of an urban legend [straightdope.com].

Re:Accident? (1)

VValdo (10446) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217521)

there wasn't a lot of bankers who committed suicide after the crash in 1929. Looks like that's a bit of an urban legend.

I suspect this be too. Who are these three bankers? Banks don't really seem to be held accountable to anyone [google.com] these days.

W

Re:Accident? (1)

VValdo (10446) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217537)

I suspect this be too.

... this IS too.

W

Re:Accident? (0, Offtopic)

Woldry (928749) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217693)

Tell that to Emily Dickinson! Or we could give him the benefit of the doubt and construe "be" as a subjunctive [americanpoems.com]. But I think the most likely explanation is that he typed the sentence so fast that the word "to" got left out.

Re:Accident? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26217621)

About 1929 USA I don't know but around the previous depression a bit less than two decades ago in Finland there were a lot of bankers committing suicides. I guess that the knowledge that your financial decisions have destroyed lives of thousands of people and the social atmosphere around you afterwards is unbearable. (At least in our culture.)

But really that is no indication of anything. In depression of 1930s the unemployment rate rised over 20 in Finland. In early 1990s it was a lot less bad (unemployment rates went from 3.5 to 18). It lasted about three years. Economy got back on rails relatively soon. The world didn't end. Etc.

Re:Accident? (1)

sortius_nod (1080919) | more than 5 years ago | (#26217965)

I don't think it really has anything to do with destroying other's lives... I think it's more to do with the shame of being broke. No more country club, no more old boys club, no more golf clubs.

Re:Accident? (1, Insightful)

jcnnghm (538570) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217557)

Not everything has to be a conspiracy. Aircraft do crash.

I'm glad somebody is being reasonable here.

Re:Accident? (4, Interesting)

gbulmash (688770) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217653)

Not everything has to be a conspiracy. Aircraft do crash.

I'm glad somebody is being reasonable here.

Yes, but when there's someone on them who has information that could expose a lot of fraud by powerful people, you have to entertain the possibility that it wasn't merely coincidence that this particular person died.

Airplanes crash, people have heart attacks, and good samaritans really do pick up hitchhiking transvetite prostitutes out of the goodness of their hearts. Doesn't mean that the version of the story you're told is how it really happened.

Re:Accident? (3, Insightful)

jcnnghm (538570) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217765)

When Steve Fossett's plane crashed, nobody speculated that he was killed so he would be unable to break any more world records. Granted, that while suicides and accidents surrounding those in power are always suspicious, some of the conspiracy theorists are little better than the 9/11 truthers.

Re:Accident? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26217883)

Steve Fossett wasn't a witness in a major case. Steve Fossett didn't request request witness protection. Mike Connell apparently did.

Re:Accident? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26217491)

>Depresses me sometimes.

You should warn a doctor about your paranoid tendencies before they prescribe any medication for that.

Re:Accident? (3, Interesting)

JeanBaptiste (537955) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217227)

I've had access to all kinds of confidential stuff, stuff that would probably be important to all kinds of different people. From sealed court records to nuclear power plant documents to (currently) all the inside numbers of a major insurance something-or-other. (I have no idea what my company does, just that they're a big player in insurance and have lots of numbers that need taking care of, which is what I do)

Anyways, I can't make heads or tails of 99% of any of the confidential stuff I have or have had access to. Even if I could the vast majority of it is extremely boring. So I'm sure I've had my hands on some juicy stuff here and there, but I had no idea. I'm sure this guy was in a similar position. The data he was herding was probably boring enough that he probably long ago quit caring about the contents, and even if he was reading a 'smoking gun' regarding some sort of conspiracy he may have never known it.

Re:Accident? (2, Interesting)

techno-vampire (666512) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217469)

even if he was reading a 'smoking gun' regarding some sort of conspiracy he may have never known it.

I don't see any reason to believe there's a conspiracy here, but there's a point here you're missing. If there were a conspiracy, any incriminating emails, faxes or other documents would be extremely obvious to them. And, of course, it would only be natural for them to expect that anybody else who saw them would realize how important they were. Add to that the lack of understanding of what IT people really do that you can expect from your typical politician (I'm not being snide, here, just pointing out that IT expertise isn't part of a politician's job skills.) and you can see why any hypothetical conspirators would be worried about what he knew. Still, when all's said and done, going from that to the idea that he was murdered is a bit of a stretch. After all, I've not heard that there were any signs that he was considering spilling any beans, and as long as he kept his mouth shut, he wasn't exactly a threat to anybody.

Re:Accident? (5, Insightful)

jackbird (721605) | more than 5 years ago | (#26217901)

The guy set up and ran the illegal mail server that Bush, Cheney, Rove and others used to evade the Presidential Records Act (remember the "missing emails"?). I imagine the email going through that thing was anything but boring, quite a bit easier to decipher than a bunch of numbers.

Re:Accident? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26217393)

At least they didn't shoot him in the head twice then dump in a public park and claim it was a suicide.

Re:Accident? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26217427)

I have no problem believing that he was killed for what he knew, or who he could incriminate.

This goverment? these people? Nope. no problem at all believing that. hell, i kind of expect it after some of the crap we know for sure happened.

And what's worse is... It doesn't really bother me either.

GO USA!

Re:Accident? (5, Interesting)

VValdo (10446) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217479)

Does anyone really think this was an accident?

Not to go all Paul Wellstone [wikipedia.org] on everyone, but rawstory is reporting [rawstory.com] that "45-year-old Republican operative and experienced pilot had been warned not to fly his plane in the days before the crash."

"Connell...was apparently told by a close friend not to fly his plane because his plane might be sabotaged," Renault said. "And twice in the last two months Connell, who is an experienced pilot, cancelled two flights because of suspicious problems with his plane."

From PRNewsWire [prnewswire.com]:

A tipster close to the McCain campaign disclosed to VR in July that Mr. Connell's life was in jeopardy and that Karl Rove had threatened him and his wife, Heather. VR's attorney, Cliff Arnebeck, notified the United States Attorney General , Ohio law enforcement and the federal court about these threats and insisted that Mr. Connell be placed in protective custody. VR also told a close associate of Mr. Connell's not to fly his plane because of another tip that the plane could be sabotaged. Mr. Connell, a very experienced pilot, has had to abandon at least two flights in the past two months because of suspicious problems with his plane. On December 18, 2008, Mr. Connell flew to a small airport outside of Washington DC to meet some people. It was on his return flight the next day that he crashed.

Alternet reports [alternet.org] the following exchange on Amy Goodman's program Democracy Now:

Amy Goodman: Velvet Revolution, a non-profit investigating Connell's activities, revealed this weekend that Connell had recently said he was afraid George Bush and Dick Cheney would "throw [him] under the bus." Cliff Arnebeck had also previously alerted Attorney General Michael Mukasey to alleged threats from Karl Rove to Connell if he refused to "take the fall." Well, Mark Crispin Miller joins us now, a professor of media culture and communication at New York University

[snip]

Marc Crispin Miller: Well, I cannot assert with perfect confidence that this was no accident, but I will say that the circumstances are so suspicious and so convenient for Rove and the White House that I think we're obliged to investigate this thing very, very thoroughly. And that means, first of all, taking a close look at some of the stories that were immediately circulated to account for what happened, that it was bad weather. That was the line they used when Wellstone's plane went down. There had been bad weather, but it had passed two hours before. And this comes from a woman at the airport information desk in Akron. We're told that his plane was running out of gas, which is a little bit odd for a highly experienced pilot like Connell, but apparently, when the plane went down, there was an explosion, a fireball that actually charred and pocked some of the house fronts in the neighborhood. People can go online and see the footage that news crews took. But beyond the, you know, dubiousness of the official story, we have to take a close look at -- and a serious look at all the charges that Connell was set to make.

AG: Now, he had asked the Attorney General Mukasey for protective custody, because of threats to him and his wife?

MCM: He reported threats to his lawyer, Cliff Arnebeck, and Arnebeck -- also, Velvet Revolution heard from tipsters, as well, tipsters who also claimed that Connell's life was at risk. Stephen Spoonamore, the whistleblower who was the first -- who was the one to name Connell in the first place, also had an ear to the inside. He's also very connected. And all these people were saying Rove is making threats, the White House is very worried about this case.

Having heard all this, Arnebeck contacted Mukasey, he contacted Nancy Rogers, who is the Ohio Attorney General, and he wrote a letter to the court, telling all of them that "This man should be in protective custody. He is an important witness in a RICO case. Please do something to look after him." And they didn't respond to this.

/just sayin'

W

Re:Accident? (4, Informative)

Jherek Carnelian (831679) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217675)

From PRNewsWire:

FYI PRNewsWire is exactly what it sounds like - a clearing house for press releases. Anyone get an "article" published on PRNewsWire by simply paying the appropriate fee. I think there was even an exploit of that fact a few years back when someone paid for a forged press release from a big-name company in order to manipulate the stock market.

Re:Accident? (0)

Woldry (928749) | more than 5 years ago | (#26217907)

he contacted Nancy Rogers, who is the Ohio Attorney General

Nancy Rogers is a Democrat appointee. Are you suggesting that she would be a shill for Rove?

Re:Accident? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26217857)

If you know where the bodies are buried, you get to join them... saves money on the retirement ledger too!

I'll be happy to pay back (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26217079)

Next time a Democrat dies, I'll be happy to slander him after he's dead. It'll even be pleasurable.

Re:I'll be happy to pay back (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26217485)

Why? I would guess that you do it now. Besides, ppl are not slandering Connel. They are slandering Rove.

Netcraft confirms it.... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26217083)

GOP is dead

Thanks, GWB, for all the fish. And dead soldiers. And trillions of debt.

Stay in touch, don't be a stranger.

- USofA

Right before he was to testify? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26217091)

How convenient.

Seriously... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26217105)

I think we all know the lesson here, people. If you're going to step on powerful people's toes, DON'T FLY YOUR OWN AIRPLANE!!!

Re:Seriously... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26217181)

DON'T FLY YOUR OWN AIRPLANE!!!

Yeah, fly someone elses.. I suggest United or America Airlines..

Too soon?

Re:Seriously... (4, Funny)

PPH (736903) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217677)

DON'T FLY YOUR OWN AIRPLANE!!!

And if you must, have the server backup media shipped by alternate means.

right wing wannabe scientists (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26217145)

/. is now deciding that the "left" is part of some sort of conspiracy? Fuck you right wing wannabe scientists.

Re:right wing wannabe scientists (2, Interesting)

king-hobo (1303923) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217725)

Fuck you right wing wannabe scientists.

true fact: only the left has scientists now

Screw Balance. (5, Insightful)

tuba_dude (584287) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217183)

(although it could not be called balanced)

Seriously. Screw Balance. Don't kowtow to some asshole who disagrees with you just because he says you're not reporting fairly. Know your biases, know them well, and know how to counteract them. As for the readers, know your biases and know or at least anticipate the author's biases.

"Balance" is for people who want to be heard, even when they know they're lying. It's for people with persecution complexes who have no business having them. "Balance" is reporting that Wall Street needs $700 billion, but auto workers are paid too much. "Balance" is promoting two sides as equal when they're not, or promoting two sides when an issue is more complex than that.

How many times have we IT people complained about unfair, ill-informed, hyped, or spun news articles about us? Why is this exact same tactic on the front page here? "Almost all the media coverage comes from the left and some of it is frankly conspiratorial." Marginalization and a thinly veiled ad-hominem attack? When did slashdot start culling from the mainstream?

"Balance" is bullshit, truth is paramount.

Re:Screw Balance. (2, Insightful)

all5n (1239664) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217355)

"Balance is bullshit, truth is paramount."

To whose truth, then, should i subscribe?

All I have to go on is what is reported in the media, and what I can see with my own eyes.

How can you EVER know that what is being reported is the truth?

Re:Screw Balance. (5, Insightful)

jdigriz (676802) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217429)

Learn as much as you can, check other independent sources, compare them. That's how historians do it. And be alert to freshly uncovered evidence that may contradict your previous conclusions. It doesn't guarantee that it's the truth, but it's the best methodology any of us have, so it greatly increases the odds.

Re:Screw Balance. (0, Flamebait)

all5n (1239664) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217667)

Ah, the Wikipedia method. Enough "independant sources" in collusion can sway history to one side or the other. Do you think that perhaps that these "independant sources" might be biased, or in collusion?

Balance? How about just some Objectivity (-1, Flamebait)

the_skywise (189793) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217437)

I haven't seen one post here about Blogjevich's attempts to sell a Senate seat and having discussions with Obama's administration about it.

Oh wait, I guess because it didn't involve a "IT" guy, KDawson didn't think it was tech worthy.

Screw slashdot, I'm done. I can find this kind of information on Digg, faster and with a more fairer moderation system.

Re:Balance? How about just some Objectivity (1)

uniquename72 (1169497) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217539)

Dramatic exits aren't necessary. If you're unhappy, just go. Not only are there 1000 other sites that might interest you, but the barrier to creating your own site that will please you more is very, very low.

Also, if these types of stories aren't to your liking but others here are, it takes marginal intelligence to disregard them BEFORE clicking.

Re:Screw Balance. (1, Interesting)

sycodon (149926) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217457)

Balance is when you get the facts without a ration of sanctimonious bullshit opinion.

Re:Screw Balance. (1)

techno-vampire (666512) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217617)

"Balance" is bullshit, truth is paramount.

Without balance, there is no truth. Balance is telling all sides of the story fairly, so that the audience can learn all about the story, rather than just the part of it that fits your political agenda. As a rather extreme example, a far left wing reporter might put out a story that President Bush has been communicating with members of the armed forces without going through the DoD, and make it sound like he's planning a coup to stay in office. A balanced report would explain that these communications are condolence letters to each and every service man or woman who's been injured in either Iraq or Afghanistan, or to their families if needed. (BTW, this is true.)

Re:Screw Balance. (5, Insightful)

DynamiteNeon (623949) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217849)

Actually, balance is about weight, so the point is to give the various sides of the arguments the weights they actually deserve and not treating them all as equal, which happens far too much when people claim to be "balanced."

The perfect example is the Intelligent Design vs. Evolution debate. The fact that some outlets try to put them on the same level and treat them as equal, but opposite opinions is not balanced reporting.

This is how the gov't gets away with this crap (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26217185)

Because it's always just a conspiracy theory.

No need to investigate anything. Nobody has a reason to want this guy dead or anything. And lordy lordy the government would NEVER do anything unethical or illegal.

There's a shock. (-1, Troll)

ChePibe (882378) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217213)

kdawson posted this story.

Isn't that shocking.

Re:There's a shock. (0, Flamebait)

eln (21727) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217367)

Seriously, wtf is up with this write-up? This story barely qualifies as Slashdot material (apparently if you work in IT, your death is now Slashdot-worthy). On top of that, kdawson uses it as an incredibly flimsy pretext to slam the mainstream media for no apparent reason. Christ man, this discussion is already destined to devolve into the same old political flamewar 90% of every other discussion around here ends up in without you trying to actively stoke the fires by taking the opportunity to slam the "left wing media".

I know kdawson loves conspiracy theories, so I'll give him my conspiracy theory: kdawson only has a job because Slashdot needs the tax breaks they get for hiring mentally challenged people. This would also explain samzenpus.

Oh, it's just typical kdawson (0, Flamebait)

ChePibe (882378) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217443)

Conspiracy theory angle? Check.
Coming from the crazy wing of the left? Check. (Why can't we have more crazy wing of the right stories on Slashdot? Where are all the stories concerning the gold standard? Where?)
Write-up worded in a way to encourage crazy conspiracy talk? Check.

Good ol' kdawson. So dependable.

Occam's Razor (5, Insightful)

Prysorra (1040518) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217229)

When a mouse in a house full of cats dies, the simpler explanation isn't that he suddenly lost the will to live.

The Razor is for simplicity. Your need to reaffirm your faith in the humanity of those in power is irrelevant.

Re:Occam's Razor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26217305)

When a mouse in a house full of cats dies, the simpler explanation isn't that he suddenly lost the will to live.

Occam's Razor would lead to the other conclusion, a man crashing in a plane maybe died by crashing in a plane.

Re:Occam's Razor (4, Insightful)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217453)

Occam's Razor would lead to the conclusion that the only reason this story was posted to slashdot was to boost ad impressions due to partisan bickering.

Re:Occam's Razor (2, Insightful)

DCheesi (150068) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217353)

Which is simpler? One man having an accident, or several, perhaps dozens of people conspiring to fake said accident? Strictly speaking, an accident is still the 'simpler' theory by Occam's definition.

Assumptions. (4, Insightful)

Prysorra (1040518) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217499)

One man having an accident, or several, perhaps dozens of people conspiring to fake said accident?

False dichotomy.

What is it with people and the assumption that sabotage requires an elaborate chess game complete with blueprints, secret agents, wiretapping, and van full of CIA listening equipment?

It takes one man with a fucking match to burn down a house.

It takes only one mechanic with a desperate need to pay his family's medical bills to snip an important wire.

Re:Assumptions. (2, Insightful)

Faluzeer (583626) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217593)

"t takes one man with a fucking match to burn down a house.

It takes only one mechanic with a desperate need to pay his family's medical bills to snip an important wire."

Hmmm

And how many people does it take to find the mechanic?

Re:Assumptions. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26217723)

Could the man with the match not do that after setting his fire?

God, what is with people and unnecessary overhead.

Only One (4, Insightful)

Prysorra (1040518) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217729)

Karl Rove. Come on, give the guy some credit.

The guy ran oppo [wikipedia.org] for the Republican party. They guy know who to talk to, and how to get information. He has is own databases of personal information on people - check his website and his own polling data.

He is fully capable of doing his own leg work with his own resources.

If *I* know what I would need to do to get the info needed to manipulate only one guy, Karl Rove better know, or the Republican party is overpaying him!

Re:Assumptions. (1)

Adambomb (118938) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217859)

Really when it comes down to it, i'd say the set of possible accidents has a greater probability of one of them occuring than the set of possible conspiracies. Many accidents can be single instance probabilities where any conspiracy would have to involve compounded probabilities to actually BE a conspiracy (IE the [minimum two] conspiring parties have to pull off their own ends for the whole of the conspiracy to be considered successful). In the end this is meaningless though as for all the probability in the world of it being an accident, it is still a non-zero probability of not being an accident, as I certainly cant imagine a world where the unlikely NEVER happens and until we know which is technically a 1 we can not call it fact.

Just thinking in terms of orders of magnitude, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be looked into.

Nope, contrast this w/ conspiracy nuts (1)

Nicolas MONNET (4727) | more than 5 years ago | (#26217929)

I'm not saying there is a conspiracy; I don't know, and, at this point, I can't know. I will just say this: if I wanted to kill someone, and the conditions applied, that's what I would use.
There is plausible deniability. Small airplanes have a long history of being dangerous to the right people. It just takes a minor tweak in the right place to achieve catastrophic results. Small planes also have a tendency to remain stored in dark, very quiet places for extended periods of time. The only hard part is getting access, but you have all the time you want once you're in, and all the time to come up with a good reason for being there.
It's also more or less guaranteed to result in death if it goes off as planned. No whiny paralyzed burnt victim making a scene about you wanting to get rid of them on 60 Minutes. And AFAIK no black box on small planes. In fact, judging by Steve Fossett's crash site report, there's a fairly good chance that there's not much left to go CSI on.
So I don't know if he was assassinated, but if someone wanted to get him done, that's how they would have done it.
Now let's compare this with 9/11 nutjobs. Ok so zionist republican muslim illuminatis placed tons of explosives in the WTC so that it would go down when two large planes loaded with kerosen would hit them. And thousands of people lie when they say a plane crashed in the Pentagon. Also, even though the plan required a dozen thousand people to keep quiet about it, they managed to keep the details super seecrit, and all the structural engineers who vetted the official version are obviously in on the plot. Also Bush reading my pet goat ... nah I've got nothing on this one.

Same thing, right?

Hmmm..... (0, Offtopic)

DigitalisAkujin (846133) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217247)

So if Ohio went for Kerry would we have gotten Obama?

Re:Hmmm..... (3, Insightful)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217375)

If Ohio went for Kerry, the economy would have gotten blamed on the Democrats.

Re:Hmmm..... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26217559)

If Florida went for Gore, none of this crap would have happened and the national debt would still be going down as it did under Clinton.

Re:Hmmm..... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26217563)

Kind of simplistic to assume a Kerry administration would have made the same blunders and mistakes the Bush administration has.

Re:Hmmm..... (1)

Woldry (928749) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217755)

You're right. It would have made very different (though perhaps no less bad) mistakes.

Re:Hmmm..... (3, Interesting)

PolarBearFire (1176791) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217587)

Yes, everyone should understand that the POTUS has no real power to change the economy. But at the same time I can think of many things that Bush and all elected officials in power did that contributed to this downturn. The POTUS should have the confidence of the public, in this regard Bush is a total failure. President D Roosevelt is credited with ending the Great Depression but there is great debate whether he actually did. What he did do was be a leader in which Americans trust. Obama is probably going to follow this mold, he's already talking about an extended period of financial downturn. Anyone expecting that Obama is going to turn things around in his first term is probably unrealistic.

No power? (1, Troll)

Nicolas MONNET (4727) | more than 5 years ago | (#26217943)

The few trillions Bush funnelled to his friends at Halliburton and Blackwater, that's gotta have some power, doesn't it?

Money quote from linked KDKA article: (5, Insightful)

georgewad (154339) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217267)

>It was later learned that
>Ohio Secretary of State
>Kenneth Blackwell's office
>had routed Internet traffic
>from county election offices
>through out-of-state servers
>based at SMARTech in
>Chattanooga, Tenn.
>SMARTech hosts dozens of GOP Web domains.

I can't see any positive way to spin this.

Condolences (3, Insightful)

slapout (93640) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217273)

Condolences to his family and friends. No matter what you think of someone's politics, its always sad when someone dies.

Re:Condolences (5, Insightful)

sedmonds (94908) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217377)

While I'm sure it's sad for his family, it's NOT always sad when someone dies. People who exploit the public and abuse its institutions, whatever their politics, are not owed sympathy or some rose-tinted remembrance. I'm not saying whether this particular person did or didn't, this is a general statement.

Godwin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26217985)

its always sad when someone dies.

Was it sad when Hitler died?

Unpossible! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26217291)

Clearly anyone who questions this is a CONSPIRACY NUT. No one could ever pull off a murder and get away with it like that. The CIA and the FBI are far too good.

Re:Unpossible! (3, Funny)

MRe_nl (306212) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217379)

"WOIO correspondent Blake Chenault also reported that twice in the past two months Connell, who was an experienced pilot, canceled flights because of suspicious problems with his plane."

"The CIA and the FBI are far too good."

Three shots, one kill.

Amatures ;-).

Newest Ninjalistics news story pertains to this (5, Funny)

Allen Varney (449382) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217351)

The newest article posted on Ninjalistics (your leading supplier of ISO 9000-compliant corporate espionage and assassination services) is, "Six additional political operatives die in separate accidents unrelated to Karl Rove [ninjalistics.com]."

Re:Newest Ninjalistics news story pertains to this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26217853)

According to the county coroner's report, Leick-Speithall suffocated after she accidentally wedged a 160GB external hard drive deep in her throat.

You were wondering what to do with all those old hard drives...

Re:Newest Ninjalistics news story pertains to this (1)

cyphercell (843398) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217855)

Damn that's a good read. :) reminds me of hinckley, you know the guy that shot reagan and got bush senior in the white house, funny how everyone says they're a "Reagan" republican nowadays.

Disappointing title (2, Funny)

elashish14 (1302231) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217417)

I was cheering so hard when I saw "Karl Rove" and "Dies" - then the words in between just ruined my Christmas.

..early media coverage comes from the left... (1, Insightful)

net_shaman (105908) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217527)

The author is obviously another right-wing nut who believes that the mainstream media has a "liberal" bias.
Oh and the evil little sh*t who crashed his plane helped many Republicans break Federal record keeping laws. That's a fact.
It's also probably the tip of the iceburg, wait a few years till the investigations get rolling and more Bush-Cheney crimes come to light.

Haven't you all seen Bush tell a reporter why he doesn't use email; "..it might be used in an investigation.."

I'm sure he was an indispensable TOOL for the Fascists who now run the Republican Party.

No decent American would morn his death.

Re:..early media coverage comes from the left... (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 5 years ago | (#26217969)

No decent American would morn his death.
I'm certain his family will mourn his loss.

Why Is This Front Page News (4, Insightful)

techsoldaten (309296) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217545)

Dunno why this made it on the front page of Slashdot.

First off, it's old news. Mike Connell died a few days ago, at least someone could have reported it in a timely manner.

Secondly, there's really only two reasons people take much of an interest in Mike Connell. The first is that he developed technology for use in politics. Second is the whole 2004 mess, where he has been accused of voter fraud in Ohio (and allegedly in Florida).

Too much importance is given to Mike Connell and his 'role' in various things. He was a web designer, he ran a technology company, just like me and a lot of people who read Slashdot. The fact that he worked in politics is just another detail about his life (his relationship with teh turdblossom aside). He was also a board member of the American Association of Political Consultants. While listening to him speak could be entertaining, his ideas about ways to use the Internet never really struck me as anything new that hadn't already been done better by someone else.

It just makes me sad that people want to remember him for all these 'scandals' and that his notability is based on innunendo and rumor instead of the actual accomplishments in his life. I mean, I am a Dem and have no love for the man, but it is just rotten to think this is how people choose to remember him. Reducing him to a rumor of some wrongdoing and despising him over his dealings is just another way of dehumanizing the man, and people should be above that.

M

Re:Why Is This Front Page News (1)

greg_barton (5551) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217847)

First off, it's old news. Mike Connell died a few days ago...

Seriously? The man probably isn't in the rgound yet and his death is "old news"?

I now believe political murder is real in America (5, Insightful)

TechForensics (944258) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217637)

I now believe that assassination is a frequent political tool in America. I thought for years that Castro ordered the death of JFK until I saw the video (possibly now on YouTube) of the film interview with Lyndon Johnson's mistress. I now believe Kennedy was killed by the Rockefellers and Lyndon Johnson. There is much more in the interview, which everyone should see. For some reason it is not being talked about-- probably because years of crackpot "conspiracy theorists" have made even supportable theories about conspiracy suspect.

What Lyndon's mistress has to say is jaw-dropping and highly credible. Of course, for interested parties to deny or combat it would be to promote it, so that's not happening.

This interview gives a picture of American politics I never believed until I heard this straightforward, plain-talking woman. Political murder CAN happen and DOES happen-- often-- in the US. Now I am deeply questioning the official stories about Vince Foster, JFK, and now Mike Connell. Does anyone believe Karl Rove would not stoop to murder? The movie Bush's Brain makes it clear his ruining of opponents caused one or more suicides, yet in threatening to prosecute Connell's wife (for illegal lobbying !!!!!!!!!) (and as much as admitting he can give or withhold presidential pardons) he shows his tactics haven't changed a bit. I now believe Scooter Libby was persuaded to "take the fall" by threats of being ruined and by promises of a pardon if he bit the bullet.

We, the American people, have to wonder about the inadequacies of our political system (or the easy-to-abuse mighty power of the Presidency) that allow these corruptions to happen. I believe that Rove and Cheney are despicable murderers. This "accident" with Connell just proves it. This is what happens when you aren't a good boy like Scooter Libby.

America, we need to look at the issue of political murder and the frequency of its use for advantage.

Letting the useless ones go free (1)

macraig (621737) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217645)

Figures: the guy who actually KNOWS and can DO stuff gets his ticket punched, and the one who knows NOTHING except how to expertly manipulate people gets a pass.

Atavism: 1
Evolution: 0

Not a chance in hell (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26217683)

Anyone who says this is NOT a conspiracy needs their heads examined.

Wow, if they keep bumping off their IT guys... (2, Insightful)

s_p_oneil (795792) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217687)

They're going to have a hard time finding replacements. I don't think I'd want to work in that capacity for the Republican party (just in case).

Re:Wow, if they keep bumping off their IT guys... (3, Insightful)

PPH (736903) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217781)

  1. Keep a copy of the backups posted somewhere on line.
  2. Arrange it so that, if you don't reset a process every so often, the location of said backups will be forwarded to the media.
  3. ????
  4. Profit!! (Or at least, survive.)

you fail IT (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26217791)

reformAtted Join GNAA (GAY

Nothing to see... Move along... (3, Informative)

Plekto (1018050) | more than 4 years ago | (#26217797)

The most obvious thing that points to it being a "convenient accident" is that the guy himself was afraid for his life and his lawyer was trying to get him into witness protection at the time.

Sad but true. It's unfortunately all too easy to make bad things happen with aircraft, cars, and other potentially dangerous machinery(WHY he was even flying in the first place...) Selling your soul and playing with fire... well, these sorts of things do happen. I'd feel sorry for him, but I think he should have known what was going to likely happen to him when he started down this path back then.

left-view reporting does not imply unbalanced (4, Insightful)

bugi (8479) | more than 5 years ago | (#26217895)

Just because lefties think [asinine action of the week] is a righty conspiracy doesn't imply that it's not a conspiracy. And vice versa.

Just because righties deny that [convenient coincidence of the week] is a conspiracy doesn't imply that it is a conspiracy. And vice versa.

And vice versa.

Applying critical thought to what each side says is not unbalanced reporting. Reporters, in general, are in a much better position to connect the dots than is the general public.

Not giving the other side a chance to rebut, on the other hand, is unbalanced reporting. However, the rebuttal does not have to be in the same article. Ideally, there would be N+1 articles, one for each side and one where critical thought is applied.

old news guys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26217949)

old news, I'm pretty sure I saw this last week.

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