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White Christmas In Antarctica

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the plus-they-can-exploit-all-the-time-zones dept.

Christmas Cheer 84

The idea of a white Christmas may seem magical for many of us, but Science Daily asks you to "spare a thought for a team of scientists forgoing the festive season to take part in a novel campaign being carried out in one of the most inhospitable regions on Earth to support ESA's CryoSat mission." Plenty of people cooped up in the upside-down parts seem to find good ways to amuse themselves; I am especially fond of this introduction to Condition One weather, and Cops McMurdo. If anyone is reading this down there, I hope you're having a nice holiday.

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Merry Christmas also to military personnel (5, Insightful)

unassimilatible (225662) | more than 5 years ago | (#26233009)

In Iraq, Afghanistan, and all parts of the globe.

Thank you for your service. Hope you get home to your families soon.

Allahu ackbar! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26233037)

*pushes detonator*

captcha: childish

Leave it to /. (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26233063)

To have posts like this. Probably one of those caring liberals.

Re:Leave it to /. (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26233123)

Leave it to a right winger to be offended by everything.

It was intended that way (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26233193)

Obviously, that post was intended to disrespect the parent poster and the troops. Joking about terrorists trying to murder people serving in the military in a thread about wishing people well in Christmas is simply not funny. And I'd direct you to the families of those troops if you disagree.

The difference is, liberals get offended (or exhibit mock outrage) when there is no bad intent on the part of the offender, even if it is said in private.

Re:It was intended that way (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26233245)

I don't care much about politics, but here's my story:

I dropped a brown rope this morning the size of a small black child. At one point, I wasn't sure if I was taking a shit, or it the shit was taking me. And while I'm on that point, what's the deal with taking a shit? Shouldn't it be leaving a shit? I'm certainly not taking anything with me when I'm done.

But back on topic, liberals suck ass.

Re:It was intended that way (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26233313)

You may leave the shit, but afterwards, the turd fairy (aka Rob Malda) runs in and eats it.

Re:It was intended that way (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26233673)

That's only if you're a big beautiful all-American football hero type.

Re:It was intended that way (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26233257)

My comment was not meant to "disrespect the troops" or anything like that; its sole purpose was to generate a response, and I am proud that I was able to accomplish that. You can call it "bad intent" if you want, but that is true only insofar as to cause general offense (just like any other troll); I think you are simply reading too much into it.
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Yaaaay (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26233271)

*applause*

Re:It was intended that way (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26234411)

Obviously, that post was intended to disrespect the parent poster and the troops. Joking about terrorists trying to murder people serving in the military in a thread about wishing people well in Christmas is simply not funny.

But it is funny.

Mocking other peoples' bad decisions has been a staple of comedy forever.

BULL SHIT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26234789)

There are PLENTY OF CONSERVATIVES who take exception to what people say. ALL THE TIME. Both of you conservatives and liberals take exception to things that you do not agree with. Personally, I am sick of the lot of you. Election is over. Our nation has been nearly destroyed by Reagan and Bush II. It is time to re-examine our nation's gov and where we are going.

Re:BULL SHIT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26235747)

Leave it to a libertarian to take everything too seriously.

Re:Leave it to /. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26237777)

especially the bullshit war on terror...merry christmas to all the innocent civilians killed in americas global war for oil and empire.

Re:Merry Christmas also to military personnel (1, Troll)

citizenr (871508) | more than 5 years ago | (#26234515)

yes, and Merry Christmas to CIA Torturers in Guantanamo

Thank you for your service. Hope you get home to your families soon.

Re:Merry Christmas also to military personnel (0, Flamebait)

Lazarian (906722) | more than 5 years ago | (#26236103)

Cant you guys give it a fucking rest for one fucking day?

Re:Merry Christmas also to military personnel (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26242427)

No the military machine isn't. Why should we.

Re:Merry Christmas also to military personnel (-1, Troll)

lxs (131946) | more than 5 years ago | (#26234807)

Yeah, odd that. US military stationed in "all parts of the globe." Why can't they stay on their own soil? They call themselves a defense force after all.

Re:Merry Christmas also to military personnel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26235165)

Because wiser words; "The best defense is a good offense", are rarely spoken.

Re:Merry Christmas also to military personnel (2, Insightful)

techno-vampire (666512) | more than 5 years ago | (#26235809)

Another reason is that the best place to defend your country is on somebody else's territory.

Re:Merry Christmas also to military personnel (1)

corbettw (214229) | more than 5 years ago | (#26236495)

The best defense is not to be there. If someone shoots you, shooting him back (or even shooting first) is no guarantee he won't hit you. If you're somewhere else out of range of his weapon, you do have such a guarantee.

Re:Merry Christmas also to military personnel (2, Informative)

Vertana (1094987) | more than 5 years ago | (#26235777)

Actually, I'm in the United States military at the moment and we don't call ourselves a "defense force"; we call ourselves the "armed force", which seems, (as you seem to have pointed out) a territorial neutral term.

In case of emergency, call America (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26238419)

So what piss-ant little country that America defends do you hail from?

I guess you would prefer the almighty UN [thoseshirts.com] "handling" the world's problems.

Just don't ask those that the UN "helps" what they think (Rwandans, Darfurians, etc).

Re:Merry Christmas also to military personnel (1)

rxfrwg (1444331) | more than 5 years ago | (#26313965)

good for you

Mele Kalikimaka Kea! (4, Interesting)

Shag (3737) | more than 5 years ago | (#26233029)

I just came down from the (sadly penguin-free) summit of Mauna Kea - where we too are having a White Christmas [hawaii.edu] this year - and would like to wish my fellow scientists in Antarctica a Merry (White) Christmas in Hawaiian. :)

Re:Mele Kalikimaka Kea! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26233167)

Ever eaten at the Tres Hombres restaurant near Kailua-Kona? Good deep fried ice cream!

White Christmas (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26233621)

Interestingly although, as you say, you can have a white Christmas in Hawaii, it isn't always white everywhere in Antarctica during Christmas. Checkout these photos from 2004 [nerdling.net] for Davis during Christmas.

Re:White Christmas (2, Informative)

Starayo (989319) | more than 5 years ago | (#26233849)

Well, it is summer down here in the southern hemisphere.

Re:White Christmas (1)

York the Mysterious (556824) | more than 5 years ago | (#26236315)

Those pictures looked a lot like the McMurdo Christmas photos. I guess everyone does the same silly stuff down here.

Re:Mele Kalikimaka Kea! (1)

corbettw (214229) | more than 5 years ago | (#26236501)

Great, now I've got Bing Crosby and the Andrews Sisters stuck in a loop in my head. Thanks for nothing.

White Christmas (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26233079)

The perfect holiday for the senior KKK members.

Re:White Christmas (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26233137)

The perfect holiday for the senior KKK members.

Brothers, in less than a month the jiggaboo-in-chief takes office. It will be a dark (no pun inteded) time but we must stay pure.

White Power!

Where is everybody? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26233113)

wow, I'll never get this near to a FP

Re:Where is everybody? (2, Funny)

Samy Merchi (1297447) | more than 5 years ago | (#26233145)

I guess everybody is having Christmases. It's damn near dead all over the Internet.

Re:Where is everybody? (1)

Technician (215283) | more than 5 years ago | (#26234323)

I guess everybody is having Christmases. It's damn near dead all over the Internet.

ya missed the news from a couple days ago. The usdersea cables are cut again.

Re:Where is everybody? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26234713)

Don't Worry (4, Interesting)

Comatose51 (687974) | more than 5 years ago | (#26233147)

Sure the isolation sounds terrible but apparently those clever scientists have figured out a good way to pass the time, huddle up with other researchers, feeling cold, and needing warmth... [reuters.com]

Re:Don't Worry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26233367)

My freshman chemistry partner didn't grasp the concept of phase-change, even though he was the one Boy Scout chosen to spend twelve months in Antarctica the previous year. When measuring the temperature at which an unknown liquid becomes solid, listen to the overpaid junior lab assistant and do not use the expensive thermometer as a stir stick to measure the hot mixture. Some things "freeze" at temperatures above 120 degrees F.

Re:Don't Worry (2, Funny)

The Wooden Badger (540258) | more than 5 years ago | (#26234145)

That's a lot of latex for 125 people in one year. What kind of research are they conducting there?

Re:Don't Worry (1)

TeknoHog (164938) | more than 5 years ago | (#26234245)

Scientists don't need a word, they just jump straight into latex.

Re:Don't Worry (2, Informative)

York the Mysterious (556824) | more than 5 years ago | (#26236321)

There's a lot more than 125 people. We have ~1000 at McMurdo right now. 200 and change at the South Pole. There's also large field camps like AGAP and WAIS, Palmer (a full station, but really small), as well as lots of little stations. There's a ton of people down here every year.

Re:Don't Worry (1)

treeves (963993) | more than 5 years ago | (#26247787)

Just a ton? If they're all my size, that's only eight people!

Re:Don't Worry (1)

adnonsense (826530) | more than 5 years ago | (#26234181)

From the linked report: The base only has a skeleton staff through the long winter.

Well, looks like they'll be jumping each other's bones with gay abandon ;).

Re:Don't Worry (1)

AviLazar (741826) | more than 5 years ago | (#26235125)

That's a way for a nerd to get some - make sure there aren't many other choices.

Lots of opportunity for you /.erds

Re:Don't Worry (1)

kerohazel (913211) | more than 5 years ago | (#26236115)

Psst, you forgot to post anonymously. You know, so you can pretend like you aren't posting on /. when you actually are. ;)

My spare thoughts (1)

Cinnaman (954100) | more than 5 years ago | (#26233179)

They're pretty much the only ones enjoying a white Christmas in the southern hemisphere, although it's probably not wintery even for them with 24 hours of sunlight.

I have to point out that Slashdot does seem unoriginal when you have RSS feeds of sites like Ars Technica and Science Daily.

Phone patch (5, Interesting)

drmpeg (1408305) | more than 5 years ago | (#26233195)

Whenever I see something about McMurdo, it reminds me of when I was in high school (in the early seventies) and had bought my first shortwave radio. Back then, there were no satellite links to McMurdo, so a lot of traffic was done with amateur radio stations utilizing a device called a "phone patch". There was a net of amateur stations in the US, and when someone stationed at McMurdo wanted to talk to their family or other loved ones, the ham that was closest to the family in the US would call them on the telephone and then "patch" the telephone to his transmitter and receiver. The parties could then talk to each other, although the folks on the telephone side of the conversation had to remember that it was actually half-duplex. Mostly it was pretty mundane traffic, but every once in a while things would get hot and heavy and a session of phone sex would occur. The only difference was that everyone in the US (and any other area that had propagation) listening to that frequency (usually in the 7 MHz ham band) could hear all the details. It was thought that the new wives were not aware that their conversation was public since after all, they were just talking on the phone. And it was also thought that the husbands at McMurdo just didn't care (I don't think women were allowed to go to McMurdo at that time). Good stuff for a teenager long before the Internet, cell phones, cable TV and other diversions.

But.. It's summertime in antarctica. (3, Informative)

zippthorne (748122) | more than 5 years ago | (#26233301)

It's boom town over there right now. The real troopers are the ones who stay on over the winter.

Re:But.. It's summertime in antarctica. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26233851)

Winter Overs? Troopers? Are you kidding me? Raytheon is the biggest load of shit contractor and the people down there are nuts. Be nice to the DA... Next year (s)he'll be management! Antarctica. Science my ass.

Re:But.. It's summertime in antarctica. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26233875)

No, the "real troopers" are the people like me who waited half an hour in line for Christmas dinner. It's like a soup kitchen down here.

Re:But.. It's summertime in antarctica. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26234033)

At least all the winter over troopers didn't eat all the crab legs this year... like last year. bastards.

Re:But.. It's summertime in antarctica. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26234231)

Will Brubaker still wants his coconut shrimp, you inconsiderate bastards!

Re:But.. It's summertime in antarctica. (1)

York the Mysterious (556824) | more than 5 years ago | (#26236329)

They still didn't have enough though. That's why it was cold so it wouldn't go as fast. The winter overs screwed us again.

Re:But.. It's summertime in antarctica. (1)

York the Mysterious (556824) | more than 5 years ago | (#26236337)

Crab legs and duck were well worth the wait and 7PM was the only long line. Eat at 3 with the weirdos and there's no wait at all.

White Christmas (5, Insightful)

Valtor (34080) | more than 5 years ago | (#26233357)

The idea of a white Christmas may seem magical for many of us

Hi from Canada !

What's so special about a white Christmas ? ;-)

Joyeux Noel !!!

Re:White Christmas (1)

RazzleDazzle (442937) | more than 5 years ago | (#26233641)

Good question. Here in Minnesota I would really enjoy a nice warm christmas where everyone can wear shorts and enjoy some sunshine out on the green grass.

Re:White Christmas (1)

Cinnaman (954100) | more than 5 years ago | (#26233999)

But then in the depths of winter there's nothing to cheer you up, it's business as usual.

Fortunately practically all of the southern hemisphere residents are at latitudes that don't experience a severe winter.

Re:White Christmas (1)

GomezAdams (679726) | more than 5 years ago | (#26234403)

Meh. It was 80 here in Brandon, Fl yesterday (Christmas). My daughter who is home on break from college complained it was too hot so we had the air conditioning on all day and night. She's going to school in Indiana so this is a big change for her.

Re:White Christmas (1)

ckaminski (82854) | more than 5 years ago | (#26234905)

Christ I live in Boston, and it can get hot here, but at the beginning of December when I went to Florida, I turned OFF the AC. I WANTED hot weather... why would I want to freeze in a tropical wonderland? I can do that at home for the next four months.

Re:White Christmas (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26236293)

Here in Minnesota I would really enjoy a nice warm christmas where everyone can wear shorts and enjoy some sunshine out on the green grass.

That's what it's like here in McMurdo, except there's only basalt instead of grass.

Re:White Christmas (1)

compro01 (777531) | more than 5 years ago | (#26233687)

It's fairly rare for the entire country to have a white Christmas (one of BC, PEI, Nova Scotia, or Newfoundland and Labrador will usually not have snow on the ground), which I believe happened this year.

Re:White Christmas (1)

techno-vampire (666512) | more than 5 years ago | (#26233997)

What's so special about a white Christmas ? ;-)

I'm in Southern California. A white Christmas would be a nightmare.

Re:White Christmas (1)

Grizzlysmit (580824) | more than 5 years ago | (#26249201)

The idea of a white Christmas may seem magical for many of us

Hi from Canada !

What's so special about a white Christmas ? ;-)

Joyeux Noel !!!

Hi from Australia whats a white Christmas :-p

TFA blue (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26233383)

But TFA is about a blue Christmas.

Been there, got the t-shirt (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26233569)

I wintered over at South Pole last year. I'm still on extended recuperation holiday, actually, and just returned to Christchurch where all of my gear was stored (thanks, Windsor hotel).

Summer is pretty easy on the Ice, actually. Just wear sunglasses when you get up to pee, or your body will jolt into alertness with the blazing sun. Plus, you're roach your retinas.

Everyone said it's the last month or two of a year's service that really tests people, and brings out the stupidity. Boy, were they right.

It's not as hard as some people will make it out to be. We get to keep out appendices in (unless like a certain SatComm Eng I know, it goes bad midway through your season). Hardest part is not punching the asshats who try to provoke confrontation (gotta keep that completion bonus), and dealing with the government technology and procurement decisions, which would royally piss off you open source peeps.

Easy for me to say, I didn't break anything nor did I have anything broken for me. Two situations which we did observe this year.

All the best to the new crew toughing it out. Enjoy the cabernet while it lasts. Don't break CommsShop Theater and don't blame me for the current state of affairs! :-D

Re:Been there, got the t-shirt (1)

bytesex (112972) | more than 5 years ago | (#26233843)

But we don't want to know this stuff. We want to know how many temporary wives you had (;P)

Re:Been there, got the t-shirt (1)

York the Mysterious (556824) | more than 5 years ago | (#26236347)

They're called ice-wives

Re:Been there, ME TOO (5, Interesting)

evil_arrival_of_good (786412) | more than 5 years ago | (#26235463)

I was at McMurdo 95-96, for 13 months ( Winfly, Summer, Winter, Summer). Yeah, I agree that summer is not that hard. More like: its great. The mating scenarios there are called ice-marriages, ice-wives, ice-husbands. Thats the enduring ones. Then there are the thousands of serial relationship hook-ups. Some got through the winter by logging amazing amounts of hours in bed (WITH SOMEONE ELSE!!). Then there was the whole girls-nude-in-suana-looking-for-a-hookup, thing. Ahem, and a lot of the guys and girls are geeks. My own account is written here: http://lanceville-antarctica.appspot.com/?page=antarctica-alaska [appspot.com] As I recall, Christmas at McMurdo was a lot of fun, plenty of people, parties, and the weather is usually great.

Re:Been there, ME TOO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26236045)

Lance,

Am I to assume that there are still a lot more guys than girls down there?

Inquiring nerds want to know!

Re:Been there, ME TOO (1)

York the Mysterious (556824) | more than 5 years ago | (#26236221)

7 to 3 ratio. Take out the married ones and the scary ones and you're looking at probably 9 to 1.

Re:Been there, ME TOO (2, Funny)

evil_arrival_of_good (786412) | more than 5 years ago | (#26237023)

My answer only goes for 95-96. I'm not sure of the ratio, but maybe females made up 30%. I supply that figure as a wild azz guess, someone out there may be able to data mine NSF reports for the true figure. What geeks want to know: it is very hard to avoid having sex while on the Ice. In explicit language geeks can understand: Sex is prevalent, and distributed almost evenly.

Re:Been there, ME TOO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26238219)

I read your account but was even more intrigued by Akutan. It sounds like an incredibly violent place. What's the scoop?

w/o 2009 here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26237597)

Did summer 07/08, and will be wintering 2009. I'll keep that in mind about the last two months. I already suspect who our biggest asshat will be next winter. Surprised the psych boys didn't drum him out. Most of the people are pretty awesome, though. Enjoy New Zealand, and may I recommend visiting Dunedin to your south? Go see the albatrosses there.

Re:Been there, got the t-shirt (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26240567)

I am in Christchurch, I have a friend-of-a-friend who is a technician who has wintered-over in Antarctica. I will certainly look at him in a different way now that I have read these posts!

White? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26233661)

I prefer the term "color-challenged," thankyouverymuch!

My Dream Job... (1)

Daswolfen (1277224) | more than 5 years ago | (#26233907)

I so want to work down there...

Re:My Dream Job... (1)

York the Mysterious (556824) | more than 5 years ago | (#26236355)

www.rayjobs.com. Hiring for next summer season (oct - feb) starts over the summer. There's lots of exciting dishes for people with no experience. Like washing dishes...and washing dishes...

The lighter side of Antarctica (4, Interesting)

dargaud (518470) | more than 5 years ago | (#26233913)

If you like the lighter side of Antarctica, you should read Nic's website [bigdeadplace.com] or book 'Big Dead Place [amazon.com] '. It's hilarious and realistic at the same time, and I speak as someone who spent 3 years there. Of course, it'll never be as realistic as this [amazon.com] ...

And keep in mind that the festive period of Antarctica is not Giftmas or even New Years (too much work to do, too many bosses around), but the Midwinter [gdargaud.net] , celebrated when you are halfway through your 'tour of duty', and the days are the coldest.

Re:The lighter side of Antarctica (1)

York the Mysterious (556824) | more than 5 years ago | (#26236363)

Big Dead Place is a great website. It even covers the great meat theft of Xmas '08. Fun times...

They got it all wrong (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26234039)

Santa lives on the other side of the planet!

Re:They got it all wrong (1)

ailnlv (1291644) | more than 5 years ago | (#26236877)

Santa actually lives in a crappy town in Finland called Rovaniemi. He's probaly having a sauna party now with lots of drunk, naked, sweaty elves. Finland is a fun place in a really wrong way.

Take my word on this... (1)

Lazarian (906722) | more than 5 years ago | (#26236119)

If you guys at McMurdo see a helicopter with a couple Norwegians shooting at a dog, waste the dog and burn it. Trust me on this...

And Merry Christmas

Unix admin in Antarctica (5, Funny)

evil_arrival_of_good (786412) | more than 5 years ago | (#26238551)

This being Slashdot and we are talking about Antarctica I must tell this story. I was at McMurdo 1995-6. In the winter-over we are down to around 190 people, and one unix sys admin for the base. He had been there through the summer, so I had gotten to know him before the sun set and winter began. He seemed normal enough in a loner sort of way in the summer. I even got my first exposure to unix know-how from him. As the winter set in, this unix admin began a new behavior. He would bark. Yes, bark with a real barking sound. He would only bark when upset at someone or something. At the wine bar (yes, wine bar ) someone said something he disagreed with and he just....barked. One very articulate and semantically well-formed bark. A few weeks later I saw a sign behind the bartender that said "No Barking". I lurked in the Crary Lab Mac Lab during my free time, enjoying the early WWW before spam-crud polluted it. One time, as I surfed the net, the unix admin was doing his job on another terminal. I guess he was having trouble with a script or other command line incantation. I heard him snapping his teeth at the keyboard, just a like a dog. This promoted unix like no other marketing campaign, I have been using Linux or OS X Unix ever since.

At least it's summer...tourist season! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#26243269)

Given that the continent is one of few places not visited by every tourist (yet) the summer sees the population of visitors exceed the residents.

And yet, despite my efforts, there is not a single hotel on the ice.

I tried to convince the British Antarctic Society that their latest research station should incorporate a hotel--but they said their charter prohibited it.

There are probably even some people who would like to become permanent residents...there are advantages to living in the last lawless zone on the planet--and tax free as well. (Of course, scientists aren't exempt because their home countries still tax them.)

If anyone is interested in such a project, or a similar remote location facility, I would be very happy to discuss it with them.

My plan eliminates the major problems of building in places like Antarctica where all material brought in must be accounted for and taken out again, and the building season is both extremely short and extremely variable in weather--not to mention far from typical trade/shipping routes which makes labor and material costs soar.

This design can be used in any climate including the sea, and is best suited for areas with coastal access and limited slopes.

The design for Antarctic use is mobile and can be used to build facilities into the 100,000's of cubic meters while providing both shirt sleeve and "cool" work environments (cool = above -40)

wizodd AT wizodd DOT com

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